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Hi, I’m new to fresh water fishing. I have a dumb question. Isn’t a steel head just a rainbow trout that has left the river or stream for a larger body of water? Isn’t it the same species? Tony

–What area or state are you fishing in? Are you going to target steelhead? If so, let me know what type of gear, fly, bait or lures…I’ll give you some tips that may help you. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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Isn’t a steel head just a rainbow trout that has left the river or stream for a larger body of water? Isn’t it the same species?

yes – and it returns to the stream it was hatched to spawn just like salmon, I think. Ronnie http://fishing.about.com

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Hi, I’m new to fresh water fishing. I have a dumb question. Isn’t a steel head just a rainbow trout that has left the river or stream for a larger body of water? Isn’t it the same species? Tony

Pretty much. There are different strains though. What makes them different is what water shed they are from. Jay

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I am curious where you came up with the notion that a rainbow is not a trout. A rainbow is a trout is a salmonid.. And a steelhead is a sea run rainbow. Now a brook trout isn’t a trout, but a char. A lake trout is a char….. V.B.

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I am curious where you came up with the notion that a rainbow is not a trout. A rainbow is a trout is a salmonid.. And a steelhead is a sea run rainbow. Now a brook trout isn’t a trout, but a char. A lake trout is a char…..

Actually several years ago, they reclassified the rainbow as a member of the pacific salmon family so the genus went from Salmo to Onchorynchus (sp?) Tim

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m new to fresh water fishing. I have a dumb question. Isn’t a steel head just a rainbow trout that has left the river or stream for a larger body of water? Isn’t it the same species? Tony Yes –they are the most exciting fresh water fish you will ever catch

ive caught them from 6" to 20 lbs

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Hi, I’m new to fresh water fishing. I have a dumb question. Isn’t a steel head just a rainbow trout that has left the river or stream for a larger body of water? Isn’t it the same species? Tony

Yes —

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Rainbows are not true trout but actually are Salmonids,Oncorhynchus Mykiss. And yes the Steelhead is the Anadromous-Sea Going-variant of the Rainbow. This is all old news,do a search of this subject on www.anglingbc.com it’s been hashed over a number of times. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m new to fresh water fishing. I have a dumb question. Isn’t a steel head just a rainbow trout that has left the river or stream for a larger body of water? Isn’t it the same species? Tony Yes —

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Hi, I’m new to fresh water fishing. I have a dumb question. Isn’t a steel head just a rainbow trout that has left the river or stream for a larger body of water? Isn’t it the same species? Tony

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hairy Trout writes: Now we have Hairy Trout telling us that "David H is real." But, who is Hairy Trou?. Can we trust him? Is he just another of Mr. G’s aliases? Look in GG’s archives and see if you can find references to Doug Knight. That’s who ‘hairy’ is, he actually went to work with George for a while but things ‘didn’t work out’<g. <g is right. "didn’t work out" may be the understatement of 1999… It’s more like wouldn’t work out. The Company was to be turned over to my control but it wasn’t. And when it was I was treated as a mere Forman. Big fukin’ Joke. The real fraud was that he was wasting my time. In reality he couldn’t make his mill work. I DID. When I left, my secrets went with me. I figured that the time I spent there was worth at least 15K plus expenses. There were many promises made which were basically worthless. Much like everything else about the operation. Rub the Genies Lamp. What he learned in 8 months I learned in 6 short weeks and that frightened him. There a has been a toughen biting silence on my part since August

All I can say, Doug, is live and learn. You obviously can not trust some people. I am willing to bet that Dave H. is either one of George’s employees, or a new found friend not yet corrupted. I think most appreciate your candid remarks about George and his operation. Perhaps Dave H. will soon join you. Dave L.

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And Dave H earns the Plonk of the Week Award. THIS IS SPAMING

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THen would he have qualified as a ff’er? If so maybe HE could have shown me how to cast properly and then be able to enjoy more of this sport<G Inner demons have kept me at this game and I am afraid mine will keep me on the river and the tying bench as well. Ghosts of fish to be caught and those that got away will haunt me forever!! Merry Xmas to all Pierre – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – THIS IS SPAMING THIS IS SPAMING THIS IS SPAMING An appropriate simile would be that of Edgar A. Poe. A brilliant man, a literay giant. But alas there the simile ends. For he too was driven by the inner demons. Suffering bouts alcholic binges, he would abstain and attempt self medication with available depressants, much like some do today with anti-depressants…so ineptly named. The chemical imbalance somewhat interuppted, he would again then be functional for a short while before the manic-depressive personality disorder manifested itself. Thank god he didn’t have the internet……the good would have been lost among the endless drivel. A shame too, that they didn’t have a good twelve step program at that time, for it deals with the manner of ones thinking, the drinking being only a symptom. Who votes that we forward every damned item in this newsgroup to our own….E.A. Poe…oughta occupy his damend fingers for a while, eh?…. by the way….the kid really got off on the norad/santa thing…..thanks for

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<snipped Dave, I did a little investigating. Mr. David Henney’s ISP is southwind.net, which is based out of Wichita, Kansas and they outsource their news service to bcandid.com. bc.

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says… THen would he have qualified as a ff’er? If so maybe HE could have shown me how to cast properly and then be able to enjoy more of this sport<G Inner demons have kept me at this game and I am afraid mine will keep me on the river and the tying bench as well. Ghosts of fish to be caught and those that got away will haunt me forever!! Merry Xmas to all Pierre

Ah Pierre, You should not have to complain! I hear it is warmer out your way that this end of the earth! Head out to the outlet from Bonnybrook and do some Catch and Release! The output from the plant is warmer and the trout should still be lingering around there! I am not sure what the water flow is on the Bow now but if I recall correctly it should be pretty low in the winter… — Michael Era

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Did you ever see the Walker’s Cay Chronicles, where Flip Pallot and Lefty Kreh were down in that area fly fishing for False Albicore? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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Did you ever see the Walker’s Cay Chronicles, where Flip Pallot and Lefty Kreh were down in that area fly fishing for False Albicore? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

No. I’d like to see it though. That has become one hot light tackle fishery. Since most people don’t like the false albacore, it is also a catch and release fishery, which will certainly help sustain the stocks as the popularity increases. Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers. Please respond in Usenet.

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Jeff; Congrabulations! Hope you fall as much in love with your Scout as I have mine. False Albacore should be running in your area soon, right? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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Jeff; Congrabulations! Hope you fall as much in love with your Scout as I have mine. False Albacore should be running in your area soon, right? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

Yes. It usually happens in April. Worry not, I will be catching them! Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers. Please respond in Usenet.

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Congrats Jeff !!!! Have fun Mike G.

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob

With 150 HP Yamaha and a $2000 single axle trailer for this new 19′ boat, my guess would be $25,000. — Skipper

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob

I paid a fair price to the dealer in my area that was most helpful. Amazingly, I was able to negotiate a deal without knowing dealer invoice, blue book value, and wholesale cost. If you are serious about prices, I suggest calling some dealers in your area for some quotes. Tell me what they are quoting, and I will give you my opinion on that price. Scout makes boats up to 20′ in center console, dual console, side console, and flats style. They are at www.scoutboats.com. Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers. Please respond in Usenet.

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob With 150 HP Yamaha and a $2000 single axle trailer for this new 19′ boat, my guess would be $25,000. — Skipper

Good guess, Skipper. I got a dual axle trailer, and the boat is closer to 20′ than 19′ (19′ 10" LOA). Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers. Please respond in Usenet.

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Got the call from the dealer today. My new Scout 202 SF is in! I’m going to go down on Saturday and lay out where I want the electronics mounted. It will be ready for the water next week, and I anticipate picking it up on the 13th! Now I just need the fish to start their trip to the NC coast… Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers. Please respond in Usenet.

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Got the call from the dealer today. My new Scout 202 SF is in! I’m going to go down on Saturday and lay out where I want the electronics mounted. It will be ready for the water next week, and I anticipate picking it up on the 13th! Now I just need the fish to start their trip to the NC coast… Jeff

Congrats indeed, Jeff! It always seems that the first year or two, when you’re busy turning the boat into what you want it to be, are the most enjoyable. We just switched and there’s all the usual redoing to change the obviously stupid decisions the manufacturer and previous owners made to the One True Path of Righteousness (and humility???) Enjoy!

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ya know…spam on rye ain’t half bad but i prefer baloney. –Wataugan Walt

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Guy Well put. Peter Merry Christmas

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Wataugan Walt: <<ya know…spam on rye ain’t half bad but i prefer baloney. Used to eat it on crackers in the Panama jungle. Wasn’t bad. Then I was introduced to Vienna Sausage (pronounced – V eye-enna). Now, *that* is some bad shit. They should call Spam (the unwanted postings/mail) Vienna Sausage. It would have a helluva lot more meaning. d;0) Dave L.

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Bit pointless discussing the definition of spam on this NG. However I dont think you will find many who will agree with you especially as far as Bill Kiene is concerned. And even if he did post a discreet ad, which is a moot point in any case, I prefer that to someone posting spurious complaints. I may not be able to define spam very accurately, and superfluous anyway as Guy already did a great job of doing so, but I certainly can recognise bullshit when I see it. I liked the bits about Baloney and Vienna sausage as well. I just wish you guys wouldnt choose such hard words to rhyme is all !! Vienna sausage, baloney or spam, to define is a terrible jam, bullshit is easy, it makes you feel queasy, and puts you in need of a dram. So you reckon Bill placed an ad, and you think that that is quite bad, but he gave us some news, and interesting views, complaining at that is just sad. Now Bill is cleverer than most, he just ignored your daft post, he wasnt offended, and was stoutly defended, by the stalwart Roffian host. Mr. Nospam you better cop out, Bill has got far more clout, You never will win, complaining at him, so be a nice guy, leave it out ! Write us a post about flies, perhaps your favourite ties ? or rods reels or lines, but please no more whines, about where to get the best buys. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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Wataugan Walt: <<ya know…spam on rye ain’t half bad but i prefer baloney. Used to eat it on crackers in the Panama jungle. Wasn’t bad. Then I was introduced to Vienna Sausage (pronounced – V eye-enna). Now, *that* is some bad shit. They should call Spam (the unwanted postings/mail) Vienna Sausage. It would have a helluva lot more meaning. d;0) Dave L.

Vienna weenies are typically serverd at wedding receptions here in GA, but then it’s all family<g. — Charlie…

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Hi: I, too, want to join the list of those who have very nicely differentiated between crap and quality. Spam is crap, Bill Kiene is quality. Like almost all of you, I first got to know Bill through his helpful answers on the ng. In fact, I would always tell my friends that although Bill made no bones about his owning a flyshop, he was a great resource without promoting his business. Anyway, with the costs involved in our sport, who minds getting an occasional heads-up about how to save money? Furthermore, when I couldn’t get my regular trip to Belize going for next year, and decided to go to heaven (read Christmas Island), I called Bill and signed up for one of his trips. Why? Although I live in NJ, I could have just contacted Frontier. But I wanted to say thanks to Bill for all his help. Adam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bill Kiene is an unqualified asset to ROFF. : Sniff, sniff. Yup, smells like spam. : : Blech. JonCook. — Fishermen kill fish. This is who we are.

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Vienna weenies are typically serverd at wedding receptions here in GA, but then it’s all family<g. — Charlie…

ahh, a good ole cracker weddin’ with fiddles and some paint removin’ –Wataugan Walt

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Just I’d add my 2 cents worth about Bill Kiene and his shop. I’m a sales rep in the fly fishing industry and call on Bill’s shop in Sacramento. Bill’s shop is definitely in the top 3 shops in the CA,AZ,NV territory. On top of that, he is one of the most, if not THE most enjoyable people to deal with. I’m sure he would welcome your calls for help or advice. Regards, Wes Chormicle

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Just I’d add my 2 cents worth about Bill Kiene and his shop.

I’ll just say that I think Bill is one of the top five posters on this site. His advice is always balanced and on the mark. He has never given up on this ng despite the flame wars and the infinite c&r debate; in his quiet determined way he just continued to dispense solid information. Ralph H

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just I’d add my 2 cents worth about Bill Kiene and his shop. I’ll just say that I think Bill is one of the top five posters on this site. His advice is always balanced and on the mark. He has never given up on this ng despite the flame wars and the infinite c&r debate; in his quiet determined way he just continued to dispense solid information. Ralph H

My sentiments also….. –Walt

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As I have mentioned in previous posts, lots of fly fishing products have been altered or discontinued. This is a great time to get that new rod, reel, waders, pontoon boat, etc that you have been looking for. Much of this equipment is great stuff at great prices. Check you local fly tackle retailer or the internet for bargains. We have just purchased a ‘ton’ of discontinued fly rods from the Powell Rod Company. These are all ‘98 model rods that are being replaced by total redesigned new generation 1999 fly rods at the new Powell Rod plant in Sacramento, CA. Take a look at out web site for a complete list of these great rods at 50% off of retail prices. (www.kiene.com) Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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You may also want to check the following website www.bennettspring.com . Tight Lines Jerry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I have mentioned in previous posts, lots of fly fishing products have been altered or discontinued. This is a great time to get that new rod, reel, waders, pontoon boat, etc that you have been looking for. Much of this equipment is great stuff at great prices. Check you local fly tackle retailer or the internet for bargains. We have just purchased a ‘ton’ of discontinued fly rods from the Powell Rod Company. These are all ‘98 model rods that are being replaced by total redesigned new generation 1999 fly rods at the new Powell Rod plant in Sacramento, CA. Take a look at out web site for a complete list of these great rods at 50% off of retail prices. (www.kiene.com) Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Sniff, sniff. Yup, smells like spam. Blech.

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Sniff, sniff. Yup, smells like spam. Blech.

Bill Kiene is a frequent and very knowledgeable contributor to ROFF. I always read his posts because they are likely to contain something very interesting. I’ve been to his shop in Sacramento. It’s a very good shop, and his employees were quite helpful. I don’t think this rises to the level of spam. Bill made a suggestion that now is the time to look for cheap discontinued equipment, wherever you like to shop. He clearly know what he’s talking about. That’s a suggestion many people can take advantage of. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Bill Kiene is a frequent and very knowledgeable contributor to ROFF. I always read his posts because they are likely to contain something very interesting. I’ve been to his shop in Sacramento. It’s a very good shop, and his employees were quite helpful. I don’t think this rises to the level of spam. Bill made a suggestion that now is the time to look for cheap discontinued equipment, wherever you like to shop. He clearly know what he’s talking about. That’s a suggestion many people can take advantage of.

I agree wholeheartedly. I’ve never been to Bill’s shop (obviously, living on another continent), but I value his contributions to ROFF, and he is definitely not spamming. On a side note, I think Bill does an excellent job of combining his business with usenet. Posting insightful articles combined with subtle and relevant only mention of his business, yet never attempting to hide the fact that he runs a flyfishing busniess, and taking great care to address the subject at hand and not simply advertising, is the only way to do it. Usenet presence is, IMO, also a reasonable accurate predictor of customer satisfaction. If Bill ripped people off for a living, it’ll be all over ROFF. I’d be happy to do business with Bill. Btw, my local dealer here in Norway has had a 50% discount on 1998 Powell rods for a few months now. Still don’t want one of those soft sticks :-) — Christian Figenschou – http://figen.com

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I third that notion — IMHO, Bill Kiene is a very valuable resource for this NG. I know he’s answered a ton of my questions. I always look forward to reading his posts. Sid in Seattle

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Sniff, sniff. Yup, smells like spam.

Bill Kiene is a valuable contributor to ROFF. I read his excellent posts carefully as he obviously knows exactly what he is talking about and how to explain it. His insights into some products and his recommendations are of considerable value, and he is as unbiased about various products as it is possible to be as far as I can see. It is unlikely that I will ever visit his shop, it is a bit too far away, which is a shame, as I assume from his posts that it must be quite excellent. He has never made a secret of the fact that he runs a fly fishing related business, and the little bit of advertising he does is always discrete and his posts always on topic. I do not think many on ROFF would consider this SPAM. Just as a matter of interest Mr.Nospam, when can we expect a valuable contribution on ROFF from you ? Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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Sniff, sniff. Yup, smells like spam.

I too have found Mr. Kiene’s posts to be accurate, to the point, and informative. Few of us will ever patronize his shop, and if he occasionally mentions his business on ROFF, I have absolutely no problem with it. George Adams

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Bill Kiene is a valuable contributor to ROFF.

I’ll add my voice to the chorus too Mike. I look for Bill’s posts. He’s worth reading. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach, Florida "The beach? Only poor people go to the beach! The truly impoverished own boats." – Capt. Gary to Ms. Dawn

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I agree wholeheartedly!!!! Bill keane has been of great help to newbies and oldies alike and I feel that he is simply passing on information and not trying to sell a product here people might want to be looking for new and then in the caseof us newbies who dont even have a rod what’s wrong with some advice from a seasoned store owner with some experience?? Keep it up Bill I am on your side. Pierre – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bill Kiene is a frequent and very knowledgeable contributor to ROFF. I always read his posts because they are likely to contain something very interesting. I’ve been to his shop in Sacramento. It’s a very good shop, and his employees were quite helpful. I don’t think this rises to the level of spam. Bill made a suggestion that now is the time to look for cheap discontinued equipment, wherever you like to shop. He clearly know what he’s talking about. That’s a suggestion many people can take advantage of. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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I just wanted to add that my friend bought me a Redington that I could have never of afforded when it Florida with a "fall closeout"deal. The same rod selling in Canada I could have never afforded believe me and yet when he purchased it as a gift in US dollars it was a steal even with the exchange rate! Nope be glad to hear of close out deals especially with people like Bill Pierre

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Nope. He ran an ad. It was spam. Incidentally a friend of mine bought one of Kiene’s discontinued "new" rods and it came with a scratched up blank and the wrong tube/sock. So be careful and ask for all the details before buying. You get what you pay for and there isn’t always full disclosure. Not just Bill’s shop but I’ve heard horror stories from some of the other online discounters too. If Bill wants to post here and help folks out, that’s admirable but to sneak in a commercial ad when they aren’t allowed only damages his reputation IMHO. Kind of like the Bill Clinton excuse. As long as you are a good President it’s ok to break the law when it suits you. Well that’s why we have a free country. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. You don’t have to agree.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nope. He ran an ad. It was spam. Incidentally a friend of mine bought one of Kiene’s discontinued "new" rods and it came with a scratched up blank and the wrong tube/sock. So be careful and ask for all the details before buying. You get what you pay for and there isn’t always full disclosure. Not just Bill’s shop but I’ve heard horror stories from some of the other online discounters too. If Bill wants to post here and help folks out, that’s admirable but to sneak in a commercial ad when they aren’t allowed only damages his reputation IMHO. Kind of like the Bill Clinton excuse. As long as you are a good President it’s ok to break the law when it suits you. Well that’s why we have a free country. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. You don’t have to agree.

Well, my opinion is that your opinion sucks. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Sorry, not only are you in the minority, you don’t seem to know the definition of spam: "There are two main types of spam, and they have different effects on Internet users. Cancellable Usenet spam is a single message sent to 20 or more Usenet newsgroups. (Through longexperience, Usenet users have found that any message posted to so many newsgroups is often not relevant to most or all of them.) Usenet spam is aimed at "lurkers", people who read newsgroups but rarely or never post and give their address away. Usenet spam robs users of the utility of the newsgroups by overwhelming them with a barrage of advertising or other irrelevant posts. Furthermore, Usenet spam subverts the ability of system administrators and owners to manage the topics they accept on their systems. Email spam targets individual users with direct mail messages. Email spam lists are often created by scanning Usenet postings, stealing Internet mailing lists, or searching the Web for addresses. Email spams typically cost users money out-of-pocket to receive. Many people – anyone with measured phone service – read or receive their mail while the meter is running, so to speak. Spam costs them additional money. On top of that, it costs money for ISPs and online services to transmit spam, and these costs are transmitted directly to subscribers. http://spam.abuse.net/whatisspam.html Nope. He ran an ad. It was spam. Incidentally a friend of mine bought one of Kiene’s discontinued "new" rods and it came with a scratched up blank and the wrong tube/sock.

Did you give the shop an opportunity to correct the problem? So be careful and ask for all the details before buying. You get what you pay for and there isn’t always full disclosure. Not just Bill’s shop but I’ve heard horror stories from some of the other online discounters

I don’t think you can call Kiene’s and ‘online discounter’ too. If Bill wants to post here and help folks out, that’s admirable but to sneak in a commercial ad when they aren’t allowed only damages

Please quote the document which says that such posts are not allowed opinion. You don’t have to agree.

You’re right.

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Well, you don’t really seem to get my point, Shawnie. THIS IS ALT.SUPPORT.DEPRESSION.MANIC!!! Your war against darkman, who I see as a very compassionate, caring, knowledgeable individual DOES NOT FIT IN HERE! (and yes, I know it is rude to shout. But so are you bringing this here.)

| | |Another thing: have you considered that this is not appropriate for this |group? Instead of posting repeatedly here, why don’t you create a different |feedbackpage where the posts are read before put on the board? | |You don’t know how my cgi guestbook works. I don’t really care how your CGI guestbook works. I suggested you got a different kind of guestbook. | | Not much of a |change…and if you use email to get the mail, it is also easier to track |a..holes such as this through their NNTP-posting host/IP number. | | |not when they use an anonymizer service. No matter. You can still moderate your guestbook and remove obscene messages. I am sure you don’t have such a traffic-volume that this would be a problem. Obscene, anonymized mails could be dealth with – they are always marked with the anon-service abuse-address. I hope you take this fight to another place. It is common netiquette to post ontopic. Haakon

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know what darkman has done and does do for me and you will NEVER convince me that he is the sicko doing this to you. So just deal with it privately and leave the rest of us the HELL alone. I am sick of your posts! — Kimber "Recognize your emotional style and make it work for you."

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darkman frm hell – @38.30.246 / http:// Kill all the runts! let them all die! Shawnie is a whore and a slut! She fucked her counsellour then tried to kill him. Signed on: Thu Nov 19 20:59:37 EST 1998 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you considered that this might _not_ be Darkman? He must be a total idiot to leave his nick at a page like this, where you can write anything you wish. And Darkman has come across as many things to me – but not an idiot. Another thing: have you considered that this is not appropriate for this group? Instead of posting repeatedly here, why don’t you create a different feedbackpage where the posts are read before put on the board? Not much of a change…and if you use email to get the mail, it is also easier to track a..holes such as this through their NNTP-posting host/IP number. Namaste, Haakon | | | Click here to see what the loser is up to now |http://adventureangling.com/guestdir/chdguest.htm | | | | | | |Take Care |congenital heart defects webring: | http://adventureangling.com/chd/webring.htm |Adventure Angling |http://adventureangling.com |y2k,chd,BP,MD and fishing book stores: |http://adventureangling.com/books/index.htm

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Have you considered that this might _not_ be Darkman? He must be a total idiot to leave his nick at a page like this, where you can write anything you wish. And Darkman has come across as many things to me – but not an idiot. Another thing: have you considered that this is not appropriate for this group? Instead of posting repeatedly here, why don’t you create a different feedbackpage where the posts are read before put on the board? Not much of a change…and if you use email to get the mail, it is also easier to track a..holes such as this through their NNTP-posting host/IP number. Namaste, Haakon

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What is your problem with darkman? Why do you think everyone who calls themselves Darkman are the same person? I am having SERIOUS problems right now and darkman is helping me more than anyone else around. He is hunting up info for me, he is encouraging me (not that a lot of you aren’t helping also). But make sure of your facts before attacking someone who is doing so much good. — Kimber "Recognize your emotional style and make it work for you."

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It is against the law to publicly post private e-mail and it certainly does not belong in this forum. You are doing the same type of thing that darkman is doing to me. He is taking posts of mine on this NG that I Posted just days after getting out of the hospital and posting them to my guestbooks. He also e-mails them to me as a form of harassment. Yes I know it is him his e-mail program used the same reply to e-mail address that he uses here in the NG’s. Take another look at the obscene messages he posted in my guest book that imply my daughter should be killed http://adventureangling.com/guestdir/chdguest.htm and try to have some compassion. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re: Dark man is at it again To: References: 1 , 2 , 3 I don’t care what the hell you think The above email was received by me from editor and is in its unedited version. Catherine I agree with Tunesmith. Darkman seems not the type to post such trash on editor’s page. I also think ASDM is NOT the appropriate place to post such accusations about someone. Editor, take the time to track down this person through their IP number and learn who the real poster is to your page. Peace, Catherine Have you considered that this might _not_ be Darkman? He must be a total idiot to leave his nick at a page like this, where you can write anything you wish. And Darkman has come across as many things to me – but not an idiot. Another thing: have you considered that this is not appropriate for this group? Instead of posting repeatedly here, why don’t you create a different feedbackpage where the posts are read before put on the board? Not much of a change…and if you use email to get the mail, it is also easier to track a..holes such as this through their NNTP-posting host/IP number. Namaste, Haakon | | | Click here to see what the loser is up to now |http://adventureangling.com/guestdir/chdguest.htm | | | | | | |Take Care |congenital heart defects webring: | http://adventureangling.com/chd/webring.htm |Adventure Angling |http://adventureangling.com |y2k,chd,BP,MD and fishing book stores: |http://adventureangling.com/books/index.htm Paint the sky with stars So our spirits have to fly. Paint the sky with stars So our spirits have to fly.

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Anyone know of a site with a Loon call .wav file on it? We are looking for one to put on a new fly fishing site. — Paul Phillips Director of Operations Fintastic Fish Mounts http://www.fintastic.com/ Remove the 1 for E-mail

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Anyone know of a site with a Loon call .wav file on it? We are looking for one to put on a new fly fishing site.

The Roger Tory Peterson bird watching CD (Houghton Mifflin) has good recordings of bird calls: copyright of course. — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs, | | Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734 |

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Anyone know of a site with a Loon call .wav file on it? We are looking for one to put on a new fly fishing site. Not .wav but I have had a *.au loon call at my fishing page for years. See: http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~powlesla/personal/fishing/

… you post this and suddenly Tim’s back! He heard it, he heard it! Ralph H note spurious hyperbole, insults and ‘personal attacks’ made by the author are meant to honour "the Soul of Cicero" and are not intended as personal slights. Please don’t take offense as none is intended. remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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Anyone know of a site with a Loon call .wav file on it? We are looking for one to put on a new fly fishing site. Not .wav but I have had a *.au loon call at my fishing page for years. See: http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~powlesla/personal/fishing/

Why on earth would anyone want a recorded Loon call? I spent more weekends than I care to remember in the BWCA as a kid with my Dad getting eaten alive by blackflies, having to endure the never-ending Loon calls. Oh the Loons were pretty cool for the first couple seasons, but after One swam by our tent one night, and cut loose about 30 feet from it. That’ll turn you off to Loons in a real hurry, believe you me. Right up there with seagulls (read: skyrats), Gray Jays, and whip-poor-wills. BTW: I NEVER liked the Blackflies. </chaz

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My wife usually says…… =8^)

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We’re looking to go fishing in Spain next spring. Having given up on the guide books I am keen to find out if anyone has been or knows of any places to go to etc. Thanks James

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We’re looking to go fishing in Spain next spring. Having given up on the guide books I am keen to find out if anyone has been or knows of any places to go to etc. Thanks James

James… I met a Spanish trout fishermen on the internet who may be able to give you some leads. His name is Paco…and he can be reached at If you go, let me know. Bob

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As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated. John

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John, The tippet merely extends the leader to allow for material loss during the changing of flies. It preserves the integrity of your leader. Use the same size tippet as the X# of your leader, or one size smaller if you want to extend your fly range a bit. Tight threads, Charley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated. John

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As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated.

There are a number of different things that you can put between the end of your fly line and the fly. One of the most commonly used methods is to purchase a "tapered" leader which, in essense, includes the tippet. The tippet is basically defined as the last section of line upon which you tie your fly. After changing flies several times you’ll use up much of the end section of the leader to a point where the diameter of the line is too big and/or the leader is too short. At that time you can tie some "tippet material" (basically monofiliment that is a smaller diameter then the rest of your leader) so that you can keep using the leader portion. Some people make their own "tapered" leaders by tying short sections of progressively smaller diameter line together. The smallest diameter section is the tippet and can be replaced when needed. One of the latest "innovations" is a braided loop leader. A loop of braided material is attached to the flyline using a "chinese finger puzzle" type connection with some shrink wrap tubing. The braided loop leader is a 6′ section of tapered monofiliment with a braided loop on one end. That is looped through the loop on the flyline and then all you need to do is tie on 3′ or so of whatever pound test line that you’d like to the end of the leader for your tippet. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated. John

A tippet is the last part of the leader. On new tapered leaders, it is the last approximately 20 inches. This is quickly used up tying on new flies, so it must be replaced with another from a tippet spool. You can vary the length and size of the tippet according to conditions (fly size, currents, water clarity, etc.) The idea is to have the tippet land between straight out (too heavy or short) and piled up (too light and long): with slight curves to allow a drag-free float, and the right amount of slack to set the hook. There is no rule to achieve this, although dividing the fly size by four is a good place to start the trial and error process. Jim Benenson Los Alamos, NM "To save your rivers, save your mountains" Emperor Yu of China, circa 1600 BC

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As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated. John

John – Leaders used for fly fishing are tapered. They begin thick and end thin. The higher the "X" number, the finer the end will be. Therefore, a 9 foot, 4X leader will be very thick where you attach it to the fly line, and will taper down to a specific diameter. That diameter of line at the end of the leader is what "4X" means. The first tapered leaders were made up of several pieces of leader material tied together in successively smaller diameters until the desired terminal diameter was reached. This last piece of leader is called the "tippet". It is important, because that is the line that is closest to the fish. You can still buy or make for yourself "knotted" leaders (I make my own), but many people prefer the newer "knotless" leaders. But whether it is knotted or knotless, a leader still has a tippet at the end. And as you fish and change flies, the tippet will get used up, and the leader will get too short and too thick. So the flyfisher must be able to periodically tie a new tippet on the end of the leader, or else just replace the entire leader when the tippet is used up. The latter option is, among other things, expensive. So what should you do? If you are using knotless leaders, I suggest that you buy them one size larger (in diameter) than the tippet you want. Then tie a 2-3 foot piece of tippet on the end of the leader before you ever use it. Then you will know when the tippet is used up and can replace it before the taper of the leader is destroyed. I suggest learning to tie the double surgeons knot to attach the tippet to the leader. It is easier to tie and stronger than a blood knot. I hope this is helpful! Tight lines, Gene

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This is probably fly fishing heresy, but I’ve stopped using tapered leaders altogether when fishing streamers and wet flies. I’ve found a straight piece of 4-lb. Stren just as effective for these situations and far less prone to tangling, especially if I’m using extra weight on the leader. Plus, I spend less time tying new tippets on the tapered leaders which I really need for dry-fly and nymph fishing.

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This is probably fly fishing heresy, but I’ve stopped using tapered leaders altogether when fishing streamers and wet flies. I’ve found a straight piece of 4-lb. Stren just as effective for these situations and far less prone to tangling, especially if I’m using extra weight on the leader. Plus, I spend less time tying new tippets on the tapered leaders which I really need for dry-fly and nymph fishing.

Beyond that, I just spoke to an _excellent_ nymph fisher who uses a level line 90% of the time. He uses mostly weighted nymphs, and says the level line really turns ‘em over. BTW, this is not a joke. I saw a Cortland level line on his reel.. Cost: $7 Can you imagnine what this could do to the flyline market? Jim Benenson Los Alamos, NM "To save your rivers, save your mountains" Emperor Yu of China, circa 1600 BC

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Seeking fishing experiences on the private waters of Oasis Springs, CA. Specifically: type of water, cost, lodge accomodations, and maximum number permitted daily. Thanks, Norm Norm Hanami

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Yes, I’ve fished Oasis Springs Ranch. It was the dumbest trout

experience I have nothing good to say about this place. I didn’t like dealing with the people, to the point of feeling cheated. And, I’ve heard from others (I never actually got there, and lost my deposit) exactly what the other posts said. That is, there’s one decent stretch, it’s hatchery fish, and the brochure is full of bull. Jack Formerly

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Went there the first year to check it out. Beautiful lodge. Nice location. Huge "native" fish with very rubbed noses and fins. Oh well. Varied stretches of water, from deep pool to riffles & runs. Also great fishing below PGE transfer pipe up one of the arms. Struck me as an odd combination. . . Since then i’ve had several friends go there and have a great time. They have all sorts of other distractions, tennis court, i think horse riding as well. Good location for a weekend get away with a non-fishing SO or something. There have been some intro classes up there for new fishers, also. just my #22 –jim * *

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Norm, I get a flyer from these folks about twice a year. Never tried ‘em, but it seems like a nice outfit. Try calling ‘em (800) 642-4150 or (916) 474-1943.

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Yes, I’ve fished Oasis Springs Ranch. It was the dumbest trout experience I’ve ever had. Caught endless numbers of of 4-6 lb. football shaped rainbows….straight out of some brood hatchery around Redding. The waters? The brochure says "5 1/2 miles of prime stream. It’s more like 400 yards of prime, since a PGE flume is a short distance above the lodge, which removes most of the water from the upper stream and shoots it back into the lower stream. (There is a dam just below the lodge, which is where the football shaped big ones hang out. Give them anything black and ugly on a sinking line…they are stupid trout, and will apparently eat anything coming near the dam that looks like food.) The lodge itself is prime, and the grounds are pleasant, food better than average. My advice? Take your signifigant other, have a restful time, but don’t expect a quality flyfishing experience.

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: I seem to recall reading that he owned property in Montana where he liked to go : and fish. I read this some time ago, so I don’t remember the details. Anyone : else have additional info? Heh – looks like he’ll have lots of time to use it this year — 3798 Woodland Drive voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC data: (604) 368-9341

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Did anyone catch Coach Phil Jackson’s outfit during the postgame press conference after Sunday’s win over the Magic? He had his suit coat off, and I noticed his suspenders were decorated with fly patterns! And you thought the biggest news in Chicago was Number 23’s return! So, what’s the deal, Bulls fans? Is this guy just a smart dresser, or does he REALLY know what to do in the off season? Regards, Bill Uyeki

I know they say he spends his off season in Montana.

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Did anyone catch Coach Phil Jackson’s outfit during the postgame press conference after Sunday’s win over the Magic? He had his suit coat off, and I noticed his suspenders were decorated with fly patterns! And you thought the biggest news in Chicago was Number 23’s return! So, what’s the deal, Bulls fans? Is this guy just a smart dresser, or does he REALLY know what to do in the off season?

I seem to recall reading that he owned property in Montana where he liked to go and fish. I read this some time ago, so I don’t remember the details. Anyone else have additional info?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Path: interramp.com!psinntp!psinntp!uunet!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!gat ech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.netins.net!bj.palmer.edu!SCHMIDT_K Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Palmer Chiropractic University Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: bj.palmer.edu Did anyone catch Coach Phil Jackson’s outfit during the postgame press conference after Sunday’s win over the Magic? He had his suit coat off, and I noticed his suspenders were decorated with fly patterns! And you thought the biggest news in Chicago was Number 23’s return! So, what’s the deal, Bulls fans? Is this guy just a smart dresser, or does he REALLY know what to do in the off season? I seem to recall reading that he owned property in Montana where he liked to go and fish. I read this some time ago, so I don’t remember the details. Anyone else have additional info?

The Coach actually has a home just outside of Kalispell Montana, near Lakeside. (has two basketball courts too! nice place) and he also helped start a physical fitness gym there called ’second wind’ right up on the hill in Kalispell. So, I imagine he fishes when he gets home.

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Did anyone catch Coach Phil Jackson’s outfit during the postgame press conference after Sunday’s win over the Magic? He had his suit coat off, and I noticed his suspenders were decorated with fly patterns! And you thought the biggest news in Chicago was Number 23’s return! So, what’s the deal, Bulls fans? Is this guy just a smart dresser, or does he REALLY know what to do in the off season? Regards, Bill Uyeki

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