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Hey I wonder too.  I was swimming off the shore of NC once and saw something go by a few feet away that looked just like the fish in that picture. Is that possible? It looks like it has the body of a shark but the head of a ray.  Is that what the fish you saw looked like?

I couldn’t really make out the flat head.  But the length, color, and position of fins (sticking up through the surface) seemed the same.  Just wondering if they exist in the Atlantic also…

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I met up with Lee along the western end of the 27 miles of coastline known as Malibu.  (a.k.a. sand shark among the locals) I’m assuming they’re not dangerous.

They have mouths that are similar to those of rays rather than true sharks.  Not dangerous. Mu

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Hey I wonder too.  I was swimming off the shore of NC once and saw something go by a few feet away that looked just like the fish in that picture.  Is that possible?

It looks like it has the body of a shark but the head of a ray.  Is that what the fish you saw looked like? Mu

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I met up with Lee along the western end of the 27 miles of coastline known as Malibu.  (a.k.a. sand shark among the locals) Great story.  I’m assuming they’re not dangerous.

Hey I wonder too.  I was swimming off the shore of NC once and saw something go by a few feet away that looked just like the fish in that picture.  Is that possible?

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Mu, you paint a picture that we’d all love to be a part of. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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In article <Pine.SOL.4.33.0202051504270.9420-100000 [nice tr snipped] Hmm, I guess my recent attempt to repair the leak in my waders had not been successful.  Or had it? Mu

Thanks for both the TR and link Mu, Wet wading definately has advantages. Steve

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Thanks Mu.  Used to surfcast (big old baitcasters) the beach there while waiting for the surf to come up for my knee board.  Loved sandsharks.  Those things will tow you to La Jolla and back.  Every now and then (once a year or so) you would get a big flounder (20lb plus) and take it up to Bolsa Chica and barbeque it.  Then again, sandshark tail tastes pretty good to. Thanks for the flashback. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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I met up with Lee along the western end of the 27 miles of coastline known as Malibu.  (a.k.a. sand shark among the locals)

Great story.  I’m assuming they’re not dangerous. There would be something very different about fishing for fish that might choose to attack you. Willi

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Very nice trip report, I enjoyed reading it and shared the experience with Deb. Chris Fanning — keep ‘em coming

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I met up with Lee ,snippered

nice tr mu…. thanks. –ww

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hadn’t hit the beach in over a month but it was nice to get on the water once again.  Didn’t even check the tides.  If Lee said meet at 9 AM then that’s as good as time as any.

        spill the wine, take that girl.         great pictures.  can’t get that image in the blue ridge. thanks from your friend in the old north state wayno

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I met up with Lee along the western end of the 27 miles of coastline known as Malibu.  I hadn’t hit the beach in over a month but it was nice to get on the water once again.  Didn’t even check the tides.  If Lee said meet at 9 AM then that’s as good as time as any. We suited up and started wading in the direction of the big beach mansions.  I had a couple of hits but Lee had a steady string of barred surfperch of all sizes come to hand.  I was rusty, hooking up with only 10% of my fish and then landing only 50% of those.  We were using red Hulas, a fly invented by a fellow named Terry Baird and modified by Lee. After a while we switched to brown Surf Rats and the action picked up.  We talked about what the fishing’s been like recently and caught up on what’s going on with each other.  He had had a conversation with Emilio Estevez a few weeks before while fishing this beach.  Mr. Estevez seemed quite interested in fishing. Lee also told me that a movie was being filmed nearby.  We passed a house that was being prepped by a bunch of key grips and best boys and whatever else those guys are called – you know the wierd technicians’ designations you read at the end of movie credits.  Meanwhile a local TV news helicopter was buzzing overhead.  The copter’s shadow was right over the spot I was casting.  Sheesh.  It hovered directly above us for about 10 minutes before I hooked into a large fish. "Hey Lee, I don’t think this is a perch."  I was fighting the fish with just my line hand when all of a sudden the creature decided to head out to sea.  The fight was on but the copter took off.  Maybe there was a slow white Ford Bronco headed down the highway somewhere. "Hey Lee, I don’t think this is a corbina either."  40 feet of line.  70 feet of line. "Hey Mu, that’s your backing.  Hey, keep your rod tip down." "Hey Lee, I’ve got a wind knot in my tippet that I was too lazy to untie." Even though I began to think that this fish might never slow down, I cranked up the drag to the maximum setting.  I’d rather break off a fish by fighting it than just stand there stupefied as it rips all the line off my reel. On the sandy beaches of southern California there are no roots for a fish to tie up your line.  There’s no far bank, just the horizon.  There is no downstream which leads to the ocean – this is the ocean. "Hey Mu, look beneath the waves." I saw something large and dark heading towards Santa Barbara.  After a couple of long runs, I was able to use the waves to help bring the fish close to shore.  Eventually it was wallowing right around Lee’s ankles. He offered to tail it and I agreed but it wrapped around his boots and broke off. It was a shovelnose guitarfish (a.k.a. sand shark among the locals) Anyway I was howling with pleasure.  Lee got a better look at it than I did but he estimated it to be around 4 feet long.  Had it been a corbina he’d have jumped on it – he’s convinced he’s seen some recent fish that would easily have eclipsed the world record (fly caught). We headed back to our cars and called it a day.  I noticed a wet spot on the crotch of my sweatpants.  Hmm, I guess my recent attempt to repair the leak in my waders had not been successful.  Or had it? Mu Flies mentioned in this post can be seen at http://www.garybulla.com/surf_flies.htm They are rather simple designs that almost anyone can tie. A photo of a large guitarfish is shown at http://www.garybulla.com/images/surfpix/pages/sandshark.htm

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New in Fish & Fly – the leading website dedicated to fly fishing in the UK & Europe – Dry Fly on buying a new rod – The Duffer talks about ‘trophy fish’ – The ‘hunting’ debate – National Trust publish angling guide – Ashima catalogue available NEW FEATURES… Dry Fly takes a look at purchasing a new rod and explains his passion for the rods made by Winston. http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/tackleroom/winston.html "I had simply caught my first fish on rod and fly on my own. It was no ‘Trophy’ trout but if I could have had it stuffed and mounted I would have, such was my pride " The Duffer on Fish of a Lifetime http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/bdedit0101.html THE HUNTING DEBATE… Charles Jardine’s statement on behalf of the Countryside Alliance’s Gone Fishing campaign started off the hunting/bloodsport debate again. Some of you feel that fishing will never be threatened as there are too many of us taking part – others aren’t so optimistic. Particularly interesting are responses posted by Arrogant Bee and Mark Powell. http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/dcforum/messageboard/1342.html Whatever your view it has become clear is that there is little point in us trying to convince each other that we’re ’safe’. All of us must make sure that we make our views felt. If nothing more I urge all of our visitors to make sure that they’re a member of at least one relevant body – be it the Countryside Alliance, Wild Trout Society, Salmon & Trout Association – the choice will depend on your own beliefs. But your subscription will make sure that somewhere down the line your view will be counted. LATEST NEWS… We’re not sure whether we can take any credit for this – but we’re pleased to announce that The National Trust will shortly be publishing ‘Enjoy Fishing with the National Trust’. http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/news.html OUR SPONSORS… We’re pleased to welcome Ashima as a Fish & Fly sponsor – and you can apply online for a free sticker & catalogue pack covering the full range of fly tying hooks, lines and leaders… http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/ashima.html Look forward to seeing you at Fish & Fly soon, Regards, Simon Lewin http://www

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[snip] – The Duffer talks about ‘trophy fish’

Hey Louie, How long have you been writing

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Wonder if there would be a level of interest in a news feed with pictures concerning RV’ing and camping. I would imagine that The users of this newsfeed have some photos they would like to "show off".

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Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums…. However, unless they’re extremely snot-nosed & dirty, pets are 100 times more fun to look at than pictures of children & grandkids – if you know what I mean – And I think you do! Highways are happy ways, so let’s see some pix!                                                         Don

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Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums….

Uh, no, please don’t post them here. Binaries (photos, music, etc.) are not allowed on most newsgroups, including this one. Here are two appropriate methods of sharing pictures with folks on a newsgroup: 1. Post them on a web page and then give the URL for anyone who is interested. 2. Indicate that you have them and that anyone who wants to see them should request them from you by private e-mail (not a newsgroup post, please).  You can then send them copies by e-mail. Distributing them this way keeps the rest of the newsgroup from having to download them. (Many newsreader programs don’t translate binary files anyway, so all most folks see is many lines of garbage.) Thanks. GB in NC

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Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums…. However, unless they’re extremely snot-nosed & dirty, pets are 100 times more fun to look at than pictures of children & grandkids – if you know what I mean – And I think you do! Highways are happy ways, so let’s see some pix!                                                        Don

WHOA,NELLY, git offa that horse!   Pullease DO NOT post pictures in text-only NG’s!   Will KD3XR —- the Curmudgeon of Sill Hill In order to become the master, the politician poses as the servant. Charles de Gaulle

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A better solution is to use a site such as PhotoPoint, or Zing, that offers free uploading and storage of the photo’s, in albums, with the ability to send notices to those who you want to view them. — Flutterby

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums…. However, unless they’re extremely snot-nosed & dirty, pets are 100 times more fun to look at than pictures of children & grandkids – if you know what I mean – And I think you do! Highways are happy ways, so let’s see some pix!                                                         Don

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums…. However, unless they’re extremely snot-nosed & dirty, pets are 100 times more fun to look at than pictures of children & grandkids – if you know what I mean – And I think you do! Highways are happy ways, so let’s see some pix!                                                        Don WHOA,NELLY, git offa that horse!   Pullease DO NOT post pictures in text-only NG’s!

True. It might be worth the bother to create another newsgroup  for RV picture posting, the rec.outdoors.fishing.fly newsgroup did that a few years back. That would give a way for anyone to easily post and share pictures without learning how to create a website. Only trouble with a binaries newsgroup is that they all get plastered with spam from porn sites unless they are strictly moderated.

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Join us for dinner at a new soul-food restaurant, after we surf the rapids on inner tubes in the Catskill Mountains on Saturday, Sept 14      Our 26th adventure will be appreciated by the thrill seekers everywhere.  Several times a year, a dam is opened in the Catskill Mountains.  This results in a tidal wave surging down the Esopus Creek.  Whitewater enthusiasts seize upon this moment to shoot these rapids on truck inner tubes.  If you seek an adrenalin rush, read on.      Our car pool will take us on a 2.6 hour trip to Phoenicia, New York, a village of 970 in the Catskill Mountains.  It is west of Woodstock, New York and south of Hunter Mountain (elevation, 4,025 feet).  The Phoenicia Business Association claims that they are the "northeast’s tubing capital".  In fact, they are blessed with no less than three (count ‘em) tube rental companies.  Phoenicia also boasts of "world class" fly fishing, although fishing for flies never appealed to us.        After we arrive in Phoenicia, we will board a shuttle van operated by the Rubber Ducky Tube Rental Company (no, we are not making the name up).  It will take us to the headwaters of the Esopus Creek.  Those fluent in the Mohawk Indian dialect will know "Esopus" means fast water.  Those not fluent but not legally blind will realize this anyhow.  The Esopus feeds the Ashokan Reservoir, which is a source of New York City drinking water.  So it’s clean.      Rubber Ducky will provide us with helmets, foot protectors (old sneakers, really) and thickly padded life jackets.  After being suitably atTired for tubing (no pun intended), we will assume a reclining diaper position in a modified truck tire inner tubes. They will have rope handles (hold on tight!) and a seat.      The seat is just a wood board, but it protects your buns against unsightly bruises, thereby saving you from embarrassing questions from your significant other.  But you can expect minor bruises and scrapes on other body parts.  You may want to bring knee pads.        Your next 100 minutes on the Esopus Creek will give you a deeper appreciation of what it would be like to be a pair of underpants during the spin cycle.  With of course, a scenic view of the Catskill Mountains.  Among the sights you can see is the twisted wreck of a steel railroad trestle, which was nearly washed away by the raging waters of the Esopus.      Lest we scare you away from doing this trip, we feel duty bound to advise you that we tubed the Esopus on our 14th outing on June 22nd, with no loss of life or ill effects.  Indeed, everyone wanted to do it again.  Admittedly, we did not go when there was a dam opening.  However, Rubber Ducky tells us that tubing is a lot smoother when there is a dam opening.  This is because the water level is higher, so there are less rocks to bump into, and hence, there is less chance you will be spilled into the water.  The water, however, is faster, making for a quicker, and more fun ride.      Our deal with Rubber Ducky includes unlimited rides upstream on their shuttle to the casting-off point.  So you can do the ride down the Esopus over and over again, for just $13, everything included.  We will stay until our third and last run is completed between 6:00 pm and 6:30 pm.        Lunch:  After our first run, we will eat lunch together.  The Phoenicia Business Association says the village has "great" restaurants.  We found one nice outdoor cafe which served decent brick oven pizza.        Dinner:  We will have dinner at about 9 pm at Mr. Tony’s Soul Kitchen, 337 East 9th Street.  It was reviewed in the New York Times by Eric Asimov on September 6, 1996 (excerpted below):      New York Times best dishes recommendations:  Salmon cakes, green salad, sweet potato pancakes, soups, chicken fried steak, sauteed trout, grilled tuna, fried chicken breast, watermelon sorbet, flourless chocolate cake, fruit cobblers.      "And word is slowly getting around about the food, which inspired by Southern traditions but is completely contemporary American cooking.  Dinners start with a basket of corn bread, neither dry nor greasy, sometimes blended with cheddar cheese, other times with jalapeno.  The menu is small but has some significant standouts, like fresh salmon cakes ($7.95) with crisp, wonderfully delicate skins, served with a dill remoulade and a nice little green salad.  A bigger green salad ($5.75) is terrific, topped with walnuts and little buttons of goat cheese.  Crisp sweet-potato pancakes ($5.25) look big and awkward, but they are delicious, served with a chunky, spicy apple sauce.      Me. Tony’s "painstaking prepared soup du jour" ($5) earns its name.  One day it’s a corn-and-leek chowder with a lingering smoky taste.  Another day it’s a peppery cream of broccoli soup with a lasting, multidimensional flavor.  Main courses all come with creamy mashed potatoes and a vegetable.  I ordered chicken fried steak ($11.95), imagining truck-stop fare best washed down with high-octane coffee; I was astonished to find a real steak in a delicate breading with a dainty cream gravy and glazed carrots.  A special of grilled tuna steak au poivre ($13.95) came rare and very peppery in a sweet blend of port wine and soy sauce.  Fried chicken breast ($8.95) in an excellent, smoky barbecue sauces is much better than the pallid, unremarkable roasted chicken ($9.95) and the surprisingly dry broiled pork chop ($10.95).      …Mr. Gaskin is volubly proud of his desserts ($4 each).  I’m sure his father would be proud, too.  I’m sure his father would be proud, too, with dishes like refreshing watermelon sorbet, rich flourless chocolate cake topped with chocolate sauce, and wonderful fruit cobblers served in little ramekins."      Departure:  From 86th Street and Broadway, northwest corner, in front of the Gap, near the exits for the 1 and 9 local trains, on Saturday, September 14th (rain date, 9/15).  We LEAVE at 9:03 a.m. SHARP.  No kidding.      Directions:  Take the New York State Thruway to Exit 19 at Kingston.  Follow Route 28 west for 25 miles.  See sign on right welcoming you to Phoenicia.  Go down ramp, over the bridge, and make left to Rubber Ducky (914-688-2018).      Reservations:  You can make life as easier for us by confirming your reservation ASAP.  Please tell us if you joining us for dinner AND whether you can make it Sunday if the weather is bad -NYC Young Adult Activity Group-

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    Our 26th adventure will be appreciated by the thrill seekers everywhere.  Several times a year, a dam is opened in the Catskill Mountains.  This results in a tidal wave surging down the Esopus Creek.  Whitewater enthusiasts seize upon this moment to shoot these rapids on truck inner tubes.  If you seek an adrenalin rush, read on.

"Whitewater enthusiasts" paddle down these rapids in appropriate watercraft, with appropriate equipment, including PFD’s, helmets, sufficient clothing to withstand rather cold water, and, most importantly, with appropriate knowledge of class III whitewater. Tubing the Esopus is, at best, a dubious idea, suitable not for "thrillseekers" but for those with a careless attitude toward their health.  If you must engage in tubing, please do it on a river like the Delaware, where the consequences are likely to be much less severe. —Rsk

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: Join us for dinner at a : new soul-food restaurant, : after we surf the rapids on : inner tubes in the Catskill : Mountains on Saturday, Sept 14 Hey everyone, The trip has been moved to Sunday, Sept 15. You can check out the site for the any late updates (http://www.cnct.com/home/kris/) -Charlie-NYCYAAG-

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May be ordered from Blu Ribbon Flies in W. Yellowstone.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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You can find it here and there. Check with Donegals and Castle Arms. Also, Hunters sells some silk floss. I use guderbrod’s (sp) silk. It’s inexpesive ($2-2.5 per spool) and does the job just fine. Charles (Chuck) Abbott      The MITRE Corporation "There is not a single blackfly in the Adirondacks. All are married and have large families." Henry Wells

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Dave Hughes mentions this as the best body material for soft hackles.  Does anyone know a mail order source for this rare stuff?

National Feather-Craft in St. Louis carries the silk in a variety of colors and is a large mail order house so it is easy to have them ship to you. For soft hackle flies you most likely want the silk thread (Gosmer) as opposed to the silk floss (stout). You can reach National Feather-Craft at 800-659-1707.

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 I’m trying to tie size 20-26 midge drys. I can’t find hackle any smaller than 20 on even the most primium grade necks. I am now using darlone and other synthetic materials. What does everyone else use? Also I’d like help in how to tie the synthetics to look like a palmered hackle. I always get something that looks like an elk caddis and not a hackle that goes completely around the fly.

I have the same problem.  I have heard that using half a "normal" hackle in a dubbing loop has the right effect in that it alows you to choose the hackle length, but to date I haven’t tried it.  I can see it being tough to get all the hackle fibres to lie in the same direction doing this however. If you try it, let me know how you get on Russ ps have you tried Darrel Martin’s "Micropatterns" book for ideas ?

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Hoffman. Although, I understand your dilema. It’s ver difficult to size hackle on these small ones.

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Hey, if there is anyone out there who loves to fly fish and has the time to chat a little bit with me about fly fishing, PLEASE send me an E-mail. I am senior at the University of Oregon who started to fly fish last Spring. Fly fishing in my number one priority in life right now and I want to be out there in the rivers as much as I can when the season starts. I really don’t know that many people that fly fish around here so it is kind of frustrating not to have anyone to talk with about flies, rods, fish etc. Thanks, Marcelo

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 I’m trying to tie size 20-26 midge drys. I can’t find hackle any smaller than 20 on even the most primium grade necks. I am now using darlone and other synthetic materials. What does everyone else use? Also I’d like help in how to tie the synthetics to look like a palmered hackle. I always get something that looks like an elk caddis and not a hackle that goes completely around the fly.

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Also I’d like help in how to tie the synthetics to look like a palmered hackle. I always get something that looks like an elk caddis and not a hackle that goes completely around the fly.

You could try a dubbing loop, but on a size 26 fly, that might not be practical. Try ostrich herl. Have you tried CDC? Bob Petti Endwell, NY

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Dave Hughes talks a lot about using Pearsall’s Gossamer silk thread for tying wets, especially soft hackles.  Does anyone know a mail order source for this stuff? — Jim Benenson                 Los Alamos, New Mexico, USA "To protect your rivers, protect your mountains"       Emperor Yu of China, circa 1600 B.C.

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Actually it has nothing to do with fishing…it refers to the thin thread of sanity that kept Jim Pearsall attached to this earth.

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keen english fly fisher visiting san francisco third week febuary enjoy both fresh and salt water need advice      please re — |                                          |

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A countryman of yours runs a shop on Geary St. out around 10th Avenue, I think its called SF Flyfishers Exchange.  Very nice guy, and I’m sure he’d be of great assistance.  The Flyfishing stretch of Putah Creek is open, just below the Lake Berryessa Dam, about 1 hour north of SF.  Steelhead may be good in the north coast streams, Russian River, Smith, Gualala, Eel, but that will really depend on the weather.  Call shop when you get here, and check out the No Cal Report on this news group.–Crashjibe

Shop in question is SF Flyfishers Supply, located on Clement St. between 25th and 26th Ave. (1 Block north (?) of Geary St). Stephen Haggard/Doug Matteo owners (Haggard is the one from England) you can call them at (415) 668-3597

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Does anyone know if there is a rod building newsgroup? If not, does this newsgroup handle most of the rod building questions? Thanks for your help. Bruce — —                        Andrew Pea & Co., Inc               Information and Technology Consultants                 Publisher, The Prairienet Companion                               -=*=-               Office 217-352-7830 * FAX 217-359-1761

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: Does anyone know if there is a rod building newsgroup? If not, does this : newsgroup handle most of the rod building questions? This group is perfect.  If you clearly state your topic in your, umm, topic. you will receive lots of help.  good luck. And I’m sorry about your name…it must have been a rough childhood.<g — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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Bruce, another source of rod building info (or anything to do with ANY aspect of fly fishing) is for you to subscribe to the Flyfish list.  We have several professional rod builders on the list and plenty of other people building rods. These type of questions come up all the time.  To subscribe, do the following: Message:  subscribe flyfish (space) your name You will then receive an incredible amount of mail from the list, so enjoy!! Frank Church Goshen, In

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: Does anyone know if there is a rod building newsgroup? If not, does this : newsgroup handle most of the rod building questions? This group is perfect.  If you clearly state your topic in your, umm, topic. you will receive lots of help.  good luck.

Thanks, I’ll need all the help I can get! And I’m sorry about your name…it must have been a rough childhood.<g

Yeah, it was fun. And I defy anyone to come up with something new I havn’t heard — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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I’m after a good method to clean both floating and sinking flylines? Also does any one have a good method of removing the coil out of lines and making them subtle again (the lines are Cortlands and are only one season old, hence I don’t wish to replace them quite yet). Many thanks,  Steve.

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Steve, Fly lines can be cleaned with mild detergents and water (like dishwashing liquid) to remove most dirt and scum.  If the line is really dirty you can step up to a more concentrated cleaner like 409 or Fantastic.  Quality fly line coatings are PVC based and not adversely effected by common cleaning materials.  We even use lacquer thinner to clean the tar and dirt off of the "street" lines used for rod demos here at the shop without adverse effect, although I wouldn’t recommend it unless absolutely necessary. After cleaning, the line should be treated with a good line dressing to rejuvinate the surface lubricants and increase shootability.  The line dressing may also help increase the suppleness of your line and reduce coiling. Good Luck! Clay

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The best flyline cleaner we have found is distributed by Umpqua Feather Merchants and is called "Glide." Glide not only cleans the dirt and grime off of the line but it also leaves a slick coating behind which adds to the shootability of your line. They also sell plastic boxes with foam inserts that you pull your line thorugh to strip the dirt and coat the line. The whole setup will run you about ten bucks. Let me know if you’re having trouble finding it. As far as coils go, I imagine that you’re referring to your sinking line primarily. I have yet to find a full proof method for combatting this problem. My only reccomendation is to not use a leather leader straightener because you can’t tell how much heat/friction you’re generating and can easily melt the exterior coating on your lines. Good Luck and I’m anxious to hear if you receive any responses helping to cure this problem. Western Rivers Flyfisher {full service fly shop and outfitter} 867 East 900 South – SLC, UT 84105 (800)545-4312~~(801)521-6424~~fax(801)521-6329 Green River reports, Utah fishing conditions, and statewide guide info.

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The best flyline cleaner we have found is distributed by Umpqua Feather Merchants and is called "Glide." …. line. The whole setup will run you about ten bucks. Let me know if you’re having trouble finding it. Western Rivers Flyfisher {full service fly shop and outfitter}

And I think I know where… I was at the Delaware River Club last weekend and I asked Bob Wills about a cleaner.  He said, "wanna see what I use?" and he held up a Armoral sprayer and then he gave me a couple of the Cortland pads. That’s that kind of treatment that will keep me coming back to a flyshop. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems  Ithaca, NY

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[snipped the recommendation on line cleaner] As far as coils go, I imagine that you’re referring to your sinking line primarily. I have yet to find a full proof method for combatting this problem. My only reccomendation is to not use a leather leader straightener because you can’t tell how much heat/friction you’re generating and can easily melt the exterior coating on your lines. Good Luck and I’m anxious to hear if you receive any responses helping to cure this problem.

I’ve found that the only way to take the "coil" out of fly lines – especially in with saltwater lines in cold weather – is to "stretch" the line out. I just grab about 4-5 feet of line between both hands, build up some stretching force – holding it for a few seconds – then slide the line along to do the next 4-5 feet, until I’ve gotten about 60-70 feet of the line straightened out. Tedious to be sure, but it works, and AFAIK there’s no risk to damaging the line. It’s well worth the 5 or so minutes it takes to stretch out the "memory"… <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <         "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)"         < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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My vote for a great fly line cleaner goes to good ol’ Armor All.  The   stuff works great to clean and float your line. It also lubricates the   line nicely, so your line really screams through the guides,  making your casts easier and farther.  You can buy a large size bottle in the auto   section of K mart, Walmart, etc., for just a few dollars, and it will   last you for years.  I keep a small plastic squirt bottle filled and in   my vest, along with a small rag to apply it. Dale Owens

ArmorAll works fine short term, but long term causes premature line failure.  As I understand the process, AA accelerates the built in leaching process of the plasticizers in the line material.  Note that in the past many people used ArmorAll for lines AND waders (Seal Dris) with initial positive results from appearance point of view but detrimental results to longevity.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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Jon,         I had one reply that reccomended laying my line out in the sun for an hour or so and then giving it a gentle strech, simple and it worked a treat.  Thanks for the info re flyline cleaner, I ended up giving them a wash in a mild Lissapol (non-ionic detergent) and warm water solution, it seemed to remove the dirt and old silicone quite well, I then redressed the dry line with silicone and its as good as new.                                                  Steve Jackson                                                  Canberra, Australia

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: I seem to recall reading that he owned property in Montana where he liked to go : and fish.  I read this some time ago, so I don’t remember the details.  Anyone : else have additional info? Heh – looks like he’ll have lots of time to use it this year — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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Did anyone catch Coach Phil Jackson’s outfit during the postgame press conference after Sunday’s win over the Magic?  He had his suit coat off, and I noticed his suspenders were decorated with fly patterns!  And you thought the biggest news in Chicago was Number 23’s return! So, what’s the deal, Bulls fans?  Is this guy just a smart dresser, or does he REALLY know what to do in the off season? Regards, Bill Uyeki

I know they say he spends his off season in Montana.

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Did anyone catch Coach Phil Jackson’s outfit during the postgame press conference after Sunday’s win over the Magic?  He had his suit coat off, and I noticed his suspenders were decorated with fly patterns!  And you thought the biggest news in Chicago was Number 23’s return! So, what’s the deal, Bulls fans?  Is this guy just a smart dresser, or does he REALLY know what to do in the off season?

I seem to recall reading that he owned property in Montana where he liked to go and fish.  I read this some time ago, so I don’t remember the details.  Anyone else have additional info?

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The Coach actually has a home just outside of Kalispell Montana, near Lakeside. (has two basketball courts too! nice place) and he also helped start a physical fitness gym there called ’second wind’ right up on the hill in Kalispell. So, I imagine he fishes when he gets home.

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Did anyone catch Coach Phil Jackson’s outfit during the postgame press conference after Sunday’s win over the Magic?  He had his suit coat off, and I noticed his suspenders were decorated with fly patterns!  And you thought the biggest news in Chicago was Number 23’s return! So, what’s the deal, Bulls fans?  Is this guy just a smart dresser, or does he REALLY know what to do in the off season? Regards, Bill Uyeki

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I read about a Fly Fishing list serve and I wrote down the address on a trout that I caught and released. Just kidding. OK. I’am Mr. Catch and Release. So, anyway…does anyone out there know of the address so I can get on this list serve? Thank you for your support. Remember: The future isn’t what it use to be. Mr.Polk . —

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