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traffic is awful (they closed down the interstate because of loose cows), it is really hard to breathe (because of smog), and it would take me half a day to get to any reasonable trout water. Have a great day!!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hamilton, Montana: 15 Oct 02 (Trip Report Begins) We are camped on the Bitterroot River at The Angler’s Roost. The weather is gorgeous, the Montana sky blue.  Fly fishing now finds one standing in a river tunnel of golden laced Aspen and Maple trees.  The fires of fused fall colors dazzles in the sun as large, fall caddis’, dance on wiffs of warm air currents.  A light breeze brushes against your face with all the sweet fregrances of fall smells, and warming pines. . . gives pause.  One cannot but help smile as the blue tuxedoed king fisher flips along in staggered flight to the other side of the river with a wiggling minnow in its mouth. The oozel also fishes along with you not that far away, and off to the left, a cutthroat trout sups upon midges. It’s going to be a good day. George Gehrke http://www.gink.com/GG-Products-Rod-BastardBambooRodKits.html

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traffic is awful (they closed down the interstate because of loose cows), it is really hard to breathe (because of smog), and it would take me half a day to get to any reasonable trout water.

    i believe you could be laying out line in the nantahala river, southwestern north carolina, in less than four hours from where you live. and charlie choc can put you on some great little streams in north by god georgia.     give the lady a hand, duc! your friend in the old north state wayno

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traffic is awful (they closed down the interstate because of loose cows), it is really hard to breathe (because of smog), and it would take me half a day to get to any reasonable trout water. Have a great day!!!

Suzanna You might want to check out Jimmy Jacobs.  He has published a couple books on streams in the southeast.  The fishing here doesn’t compare to that in the west but there are some streams within a couple hours drive from the metro Atlanta area.

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Where is this Charlie Choc????

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – traffic is awful (they closed down the interstate because of loose cows), it is really hard to breathe (because of smog), and it would take me half a day to get to any reasonable trout water.     i believe you could be laying out line in the nantahala river, southwestern north carolina, in less than four hours from where you live. and charlie choc can put you on some great little streams in north by god georgia.     give the lady a hand, duc! your friend in the old north state wayno

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Where is this Charlie Choc????

Right here. <g I live in the Atlanta area and fish mostly Noontootla Creek these days, which isn’t that far – about an hour and a half for me, and doesn’t get blown out easily by rain. There is some nice water around Robbinsville NC (Snowbird and Santeetlah), where some of the NC contingent is gathering next week which is around a 3 hour drive, as is Tellico if you like bigger fish and more crowded fishing. Have you ever checked out the site: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ngto/ ? It has a lot of good information about streams in north Georgia. — Charlie…

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Hamilton, Montana: 15 Oct 02 (Trip Report Begins) We are camped on the Bitterroot River at The Angler’s Roost. The weather is gorgeous, the Montana sky blue.  Fly fishing now finds one standing in a river tunnel of golden laced Aspen and Maple trees.  The fires of fused fall colors dazzles in the sun as large, fall caddis’, dance on wiffs of warm air currents.  A light breeze brushes against your face with all the sweet fregrances of fall smells, and warming pines. . . gives pause.  One cannot but help smile as the blue tuxedoed king fisher flips along in staggered flight to the other side of the river with a wiggling minnow in its mouth. The oozel also fishes along with you not that far away, and off to the left, a cutthroat trout sups upon midges. It’s going to be a good day. George Gehrke http://www.gink.com/GG-Products-Rod-BastardBambooRodKits.html

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oh yea…sounds like a real good day … up there… enjoy….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hamilton, Montana: 15 Oct 02 (Trip Report Begins) We are camped on the Bitterroot River at The Angler’s Roost. The weather is gorgeous, the Montana sky blue.  Fly fishing now finds one standing in a river tunnel of golden laced Aspen and Maple trees.  The fires of fused fall colors dazzles in the sun as large, fall caddis’, dance on wiffs of warm air currents.  A light breeze brushes against your face with all the sweet fregrances of fall smells, and warming pines. . . gives pause.  One cannot but help smile as the blue tuxedoed king fisher flips along in staggered flight to the other side of the river with a wiggling minnow in its mouth. The oozel also fishes along with you not that far away, and off to the left, a cutthroat trout sups upon midges. It’s going to be a good day. George Gehrke http://www.gink.com/GG-Products-Rod-BastardBambooRodKits.html

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Hi there: Does anyone here have a good formula for a 9 – 12 feet leader balanced for a 5 weight rod?  Tippet should be about 4-6X.. Many thanks in advance. jimmy C

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Hi Jimmy,    See my Webb page (Leaders) for tapered leader construction. Ernie Harrison Like to make fly-fishing stuff?  See: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there: Does anyone here have a good formula for a 9 – 12 feet leader balanced for a 5 weight rod?  Tippet should be about 4-6X.. Many thanks in advance. jimmy C

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And don’t be ashamed to dunk a worm for catfish.

I was a fairly successful bass fishermen in my youth, but once I returned in my adult years I have not done well, even with the same tackle and same locations, well, I can understand that. I figured if I wasn’t going to catch fish, I might as well do it with style (flyfishing).  I know this sounds sarcastic, but there’s truth in it. I *do* need to get a better start this time, and would like guidance and lessons, in my area, which is San Jose – the Santa Cruz moutain area not far from me…. I remember as a kid with my dad fishing for and watching steelhead in the San Lorenzo river in Boulder creek, in the tropical parts of the mountains. They would circle in and out of the dark pools.  This was before the great drought in the 80’s which did in much of the salmon and trout in that area. My desire to fish has much to do with where I fish as it does just catching fish.   Hope this makes sense.  And I would love to fish for blue gill if I knew somewhere good. Greg

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RP138 wrote … … It sounds like you should go out with a guide  - several times to learn what works.  This way you will catch fish and remain interested in a really great sport.  A few $ spent on lessons always makes a real difference.    Bob.

If you intend to fly fish, starting with a guide is the best advice I know of.  This can be expensive (250-300 $ a day) but a good guide is worth it. There is a fly fishing school in Northern California called Clearwater House (they have a web site).  This is where I got jump started into fly fishing and I highly recommend it (or others like it, if you can find them). Another key factor in fishing, any type of fishing, is having a fishing buddy.  Even though you’ll see solitary fishers, you will find that the social aspect of fishing is an important factor for most fishers.  This NG is proof of that.  A good place to meet potential fishing partners is at a fishing club.  Most localities have fishing clubs for every type of fishing; bass clubs, fly fishing clubs, deep sea clubs…you name it and generally they welcome newcomers.  There’s a few curmudgeonly types on ROFF who will poo-poo this advice because it’s not for them.  Just ignore them. Find some other’s who enjoy what you want to try and join them.  That’s the surest way to start yourself off on a pastime that will reward you for a life time.

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Another key factor in fishing, any type of fishing, is having a fishing buddy.  Even though you’ll see solitary fishers, you will find that the social aspect of fishing is an important factor for most fishers.

So right.  Makes all the difference.  But it’s not like golf – can’t explain it, but that’s the case .There’s a few curmudgeonly types on ROFF who will poo-poo this advice because it’s not for them.  Just ignore them.

That’s true too. But I’ll bet those cumudgeonly types started fishing with somebody, and graduated to the solitary fisherman.  I enjoy fishing alone, but there’s nothing better than the cold beer with your fishing buddy at the end of the day. Mark Faulkner

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(snipped) << There’s a few curmudgeonly types on ROFF who will poo-poo this advice because it’s not for them.  Just ignore them. Find some other’s who enjoy what you want to try and join them.  That’s the surest way to start yourself off on a pastime that will reward you for a life time. I beg your pardon, David.  I am a curmedgeon and I think you have given the best advice possible!  Nothing learns a man quicker than catchin’ a fish, and many times, a guide is the only way.  I applaud your advice, sir.  The advice about finding a fishing partner is especially good — I am willing and able if you live in Mass. Dave "the biggest curmedgeon around" LaCourse

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<<That’s true too. But I’ll bet those cumudgeonly types started fishing with somebody, and graduated to the solitary fisherman.  I enjoy fishing alone, but there’s nothing better than the cold beer with your fishing buddy at the end of the day. This is true.  I will steal two Sleeman’s from Peter Charles and share with you at the ‘clave.  But *only* if I catch more fish than you! Dave LaCourse

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Dave "the biggest curmedgeon around" LaCourse

Using George’s spell checker again Dave<g? (Maybe a curmudgeon contest at the clave?) — Charlie…

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Dave "the biggest curmedgeon around" LaCourse

Using George’s spell checker again Dave<g? (Maybe a curmudgeon contest at the clave?) — LOL.  Ya got me, Charlie.  And you are on….. Dave

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Dave "the biggest curmedgeon around" LaCourse Using George’s spell checker again Dave<g? (Maybe a curmudgeon contest at the clave?) — LOL.  Ya got me, Charlie.  And you are on…..

Rocking chairs at 2 paces it is<g! — Charlie…

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Every 4 to 5 years I get interested in fishing, again…. Usually I go out, fish like mad for a few months, and then after not catching a damn thing, give it up for the next 4 to 5 years. I tried flyfishing last go-around, but didn’t get far. Can anyone recommend a good rod/reel/line/leader/fly set-up for fishing the streams around Boulder creek, CA, or even Guadalupe river in San Jose (yes, I’ve heard there’s fish). Any help would be appreciated, I definately would like to keep it as simple as possible. Greg

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A nice 81/2′ to 9′ 4wt with a cheap reel and a good floating weight forward line should do the trick.  It sounds like you should go out with a guide  - several times to learn what works.  This way you will catch fish and remain interested in a really great sport.  A few $ spent on lessons always makes a real difference.    Bob.

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<<A nice 81/2′ to 9′ 4wt with a cheap reel and a good floating weight forward line should do the trick.  It sounds like you should go out with a guide  - several times to learn what works.  This way you will catch fish and remain interested in a really great sport.  A few $ spent on lessons always makes a real difference.    Bob. Hi, Bob. You know, I have seen lots of advice given on these pages to newbies, but your’s (above) makes a helluva lot of sense, especially the "guide" part.  There is nothing more convincing to a newbie than catching fish, and if they know little about the art, the best way is with a guide.   Dave LaCourse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Every 4 to 5 years I get interested in fishing, again…. : : Usually I go out, fish like mad for a few months, and then : after not catching a damn thing, give it up for the next 4 to 5 : years. Greg, This may sound snide or something…but I mean it in all honesty. Unless you change your approach, your mentality towards it, you will not be a fisherman. You will give up each time. Fishing cannot be aquired in a few months. It is not a recreation you will conquer in a short time by throwing yourself at it. Sure, you can learn some basic skills, like flycasting, by hours of backyard practice. But where to cast? What to cast? When to cast?  All these questions will only begin to be answered by spending time, much time, on the water. By watching, waiting, and making many, many mistakes. It is a lifetime of learning, of which we all just scratch the surface. It is about figuring out how the natural world is working on that day, in that hour, that you are there, so that you can mimic it, or agitate it, or attract it, in such a way as to make a fish strike. If you perservere, the rewards are great. And, you can make it easier at the start by going after fish that are generally easy to catch, like panfish. Your local shop can tell you what and where you might find easier fishing. And don’t be ashamed to dunk a worm for catfish. JonCook.

What Jon said nails it also. I went fishing at Jordanelle Res. yesterday, float tubed while the ole lady tried her kickboat. 4 hours in the water-didn’t catch a damn thing froze my ass and feet off. Didn’t even get a hit. Same with my wife. But it didn’t matter. We were out there, having fun(?) It’s a state of mind. I fish because it’s relaxing, catching them is an added bonus. Plus it keeps me out of trouble. Plus it’s good distance casting practice. We did help some  first time, "We just got the boat and the salesman said it was all ready to go" boaters. No one bothered to tell them what the little hole below the outdrive was for and why there was no plug in it. After he saw he was taking on water, he decided to ask for some timely advice. The engine wouldn’t stay running, but his bilge pump worked great. My wife had her chest waders still on and walked out to help them get a little closer to shore where we could load it on the trailer. (there was no dock because this is a PWC launch ramp). Got the boat loaded, couldn’t find any plug, and told him it would be a good idea to also unplug his lights from the trailer before launching. Didn’t catch a fish  yesterday, but still had a hellava good time. done that

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Anyone here do any fly fishing in central Texas?  I am new to the sport and am looking for peple to go fishing with.  I live in Austin but would be willing to drive 2-3 hours for a good spot.  I am also interested in saltwater fly fishing around South Padre or Port Aransas.  If you know of any good spots (that you would be willing to share , I would love to hear about them. Please reply by Email.  I don’t read the news groups very often. Thanks, Pace Bonner — TradeWave Corporation                           Voice:  (512) 433-5316 3636 Executive Center Dr., Suite 100            Main:   (512) 433-5300 Austin TX,  78731                               Fax:    (512) 433-5303 Nasdaq:SRVC                                <http://www.tradewave.com/

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Anyone here do any fly fishing in central Texas?  I am new to the sport and am looking for peple to go fishing with.  I live in Austin but would be willing to drive 2-3 hours for a good spot.  I am also interested in saltwater fly fishing around South Padre or Port Aransas.  If you know of any good spots (that you would be willing to share , I would love to hear about them. Please reply by Email.  I don’t read the news groups very often. Thanks, Pace Bonner — TradeWave Corporation                           Voice:  (512) 433-5316 3636 Executive Center Dr., Suite 100            Main:   (512) 433-5300 Austin TX,  78731                               Fax:    (512) 433-5303 Nasdaq:SRVC                                <http://www.tradewave.com/

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 Muskie, I understand the women in Bikinis..but Why would you want to see T-bone in high heels?  Of course, T-bone clad in Simms neoprenes and wearing 5 inch spike pumps; releasing a 20" brown trout on the Green River; would make a hellava intresting cover for Rod & Reel…;) I’ll E-mail this idea to Jim Butler, I think he’s still on-line..;) ..S.E.

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I’m beginning to like the sound of this new newsgroup…but the name has got to go.   Maybe: rec.outdoors.sex_and_drugs_and_rock_and_roll_and_flyfishing. TimW

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 Muskie, I understand the women in Bikinis..but Why would you want to see T-bone in high heels?  Of course, T-bone clad in Simms neoprenes and wearing 5 inch spike pumps; releasing a 20" brown trout on the Green River; would make a hellava intresting cover for Rod & Reel…;) I’ll E-mail this idea to Jim Butler, I think he’s still on-line..;) ..S.

Releasing ?  My ass. TimW

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I’m beginning to like the sound of this new newsgroup…but the name has got to go. Maybe: rec.outdoors.sex_and_drugs_and_rock_and_roll_and_flyfishing. TimW

Tim- You forgot _fetish_ — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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I’m beginning to like the sound of this new newsgroup…but the name has got to go. Maybe: rec.outdoors.sex_and_drugs_and_rock_and_roll_and_flyfishing.

Subscribe me in! Tapani

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<Women in bikinis snipped Maybe: rec.outdoors.sex_and_drugs_and_rock_and_roll_and_flyfishing. TimW

NO ! Think of the impact of a newsgroup like this ! 1. Psychedelic flies 2. Nude flyfishing (See my fishing partners and understand the concern) 3. Rubber and leather flyvests 4. Fur lined handcuffs replacing zingers 5. LSD based Gink 6. Streamers used to facilitate body piercing 7. Latex flies 8. Indian cane rods making a comeback (used with the handcuffs) 9. Synchronised casting sessions to the beat of Pearl Jam 10 The degradation of flyfishing to the extent that the phrase "Would you like to    go flyfishing with me" has the same amount of credibility as "How about a cup    of coffee", or the ever popular "Were out of gas". 8^) Bruce….

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <Women in bikinis snipped Maybe: rec.outdoors.sex_and_drugs_and_rock_and_roll_and_flyfishing. TimW NO ! Think of the impact of a newsgroup like this ! 1. Psychedelic flies 2. Nude flyfishing (See my fishing partners and understand the concern) 3. Rubber and leather flyvests 4. Fur lined handcuffs replacing zingers 5. LSD based Gink

You talk like these are bad things… TimW

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NO ! Think of the impact of a newsgroup like this ! 7. Latex flies

Hey!  Don’t dis my latex flies ’til you’ve fished em! Charley

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All, Why not just create a T-bone ng? This way people can rag about Tim’s controversial positions without having to sift through boring stuff about fly fishing. Just think, matching wits with "the Bone" in his own ng! Like him, hate him, indifferent? It just doesn’t matter! Maybe it would save time to just change this group from .fly to .bone!

You all take TBone way too seriously. I have read his BS for a year or so on this BB. It occurred to me a while ago that TBone isn’t really obsessed with Fly Fishing issues. What he’s really obsessed with is getting attention on the internet. He makes it sound like he is a totally posessed fly fisherman… I think not. He’s really posessed with making a scene on this BB. I bet he fishes once in a great while and stays glued to  his computer most of the time. Whats the big deal as regards to catch and release? GO FISHING…let most of them go, and keep a few once in a while if it suits you. It isn’t an advanced philosophy course..its fishing, and by God, its supposed to be FUN. Sorry for the long winded speech. I just get tired of TBones grandstanding. He’s wasted alot of folks time on this BB over the years. Have a great fly tying season! Dale Owens

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[deleted] You all take TBone way too seriously. I have read his BS for a year or so on this BB. It occurred to me a while ago that TBone isn’t really obsessed with Fly Fishing issues. What he’s really obsessed with is getting attention on the internet. He makes it sound like he is a totally posessed fly fisherman… I think not. He’s really posessed with making a scene on this BB. I bet he fishes once in a great while and stays glued to  his computer most of the time. Whats the big deal as regards to catch and release? GO FISHING…let most of them go, and keep a few once in a while if it suits you. It isn’t an advanced philosophy course..its fishing, and by God, its supposed to be FUN. Sorry for the long winded speech. I just get tired of TBones grandstanding. He’s wasted alot of folks time on this BB over the years. Have a great fly tying season! Dale Owens

Thank you, Doctor Dale… TimW

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It could be called the "Bitch, moan and disagree Newsgroup"

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It could be called the "Bitch, moan and disagree Newsgroup"

AAAAHHHH BITCH BITCH BITCH, MOAN MOAN MOAN!!         Don’t forget WHINE WHINE WHINE! Mike

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It could be called the "Bitch, moan and disagree Newsgroup"

You read only the tripe of others bitching and moaning about me. TimW

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It could be called the "Bitch, moan and disagree Newsgroup" You read only the tripe of others bitching and moaning about me. TimW

Hubris Alert!

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: All, : Why not just create a T-bone ng? Could be done. It would probably have to be one of those "alt" groups. Usenet would never take something like that seriously. ;- Jon Porter

        wouldn’t it be fair to say that this would be a clear example of a ng that only a mutha could love?         a. wayne harrison

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   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    As for TV, the media’s not ready for T-Bone.    Mitch You’re saying T-Bone is a TV?  I thought we’d already discussed this! cheers,         -tgades

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…Anyone ever seen T-bone? Is he too ugly for "mass media" in America? …..People who can’t be out "steelheading" want to know?….;)

T-Bone looks like, well, a cross between Phil Donahue and Tom Sellek… Keeps his mustache well-stocked with lunch… and can dress up sneakers better than just about anyone… As for TV, the media’s not ready for T-Bone. Mitch

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Why not just create a T-bone ng? This way people can rag about Tim’s controversial positions without having to sift through boring stuff about fly fishing. Just think, matching wits with "the Bone" in his own ng! Like him, hate him, indifferent? It just doesn’t matter! Maybe it would save time to just change this group from .fly to .bone!

NOOOOOOOO! I’d rather see T-bone have any interactive T.V.show. Sort of a cross, between "The Red Green Show" and Ricky Lake.  Then; there could be a fan club. Then a website…WWW.T-Bone. com…where you can buy T-shirts,fishing hats, T-bone hand-tied flies, his "World Famous Home-brew, and the New limited edition.. T-bone Grand Cherokee.  I can picture the first shows guests:  Powesland on animal rites; Kranak on Cat fur dubbing technigues; Gerke on "What makes America great..even with "Slick Wille" re-elected; Musky dude on being a "Vegatarian" in the 90’s; and Fletcher, on anything he wants to talk about..(he’s got a damn Lazer beam)……;) One problem..Anyone ever seen T-bone? Is he too ugly for "mass media" in America? …..People who can’t be out "steelheading" want to know?….;)

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:  I can picture the first shows guests:  Powesland on animal rites; : Kranak on Cat fur dubbing technigues; Gerke on "What makes America : great..even with "Slick Wille" re-elected; Musky dude on being a : "Vegatarian" in the 90’s; and Fletcher, on anything he wants to talk : about..(he’s got a damn Lazer beam)……;) Ummm…  I’ve got nine of them.  I collect lasers like y’all collect rods. And I would boycott the show if you did not talk a little art to the folks at home. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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:  I can picture the first shows guests:  Powesland on animal rites; : Kranak on Cat fur dubbing technigues; Gerke on "What makes America : great..even with "Slick Wille" re-elected; Musky dude on being a : "Vegatarian" in the 90’s; and Fletcher, on anything he wants to talk : about..(he’s got a damn Lazer beam)……;) Ummm…  I’ve got nine of them.  I collect lasers like y’all collect rods.

Hey Rick, design a little midge tracking laser system will ya…? I can’t see the little bastards anymore… And I would boycott the show if you did not talk a little art to the folks at home.

We’ll get Tryzna and fart all damn day, if ya want.  Oh, art.  Nevermind ! TimW

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– Chaz Clover "Welcome To Earth!" Will Smith : NOOOOOOOO! I’d rather see T-bone have any interactive T.V.show. : Sort of a cross, between "The Red Green Show" and Ricky Lake. Thats GREAT!  Super idea! :  Then; there could be a fan club. I nominate Powsland for pres! Then a website…WWW.T-Bone. : com…where you can buy T-shirts,fishing hats, T-bone hand-tied flies, : his "World Famous Home-brew, and the New limited edition.. T-bone Grand : Cherokee. I’d like to bid on this web site contract.  I’ll do a world-class job for a percentage of the net:-) :  I can picture the first shows guests:  Powesland on animal rites; : Kranak on Cat fur dubbing technigues; Gerke on "What makes America : great..even with "Slick Wille" re-elected; Musky dude on being a : "Vegatarian" in the 90’s; and Fletcher, on anything he wants to talk : about..(he’s got a damn Lazer beam)……;) Could I do a spot on Bad Flyfishing Haiku? We could make a religion out of him too!  The Church of the Assumptuous Presumption.  Instead of Eucharist we could all sit around and have a Shore Lunch of fresh-caught brookies!  Yum! </chaz

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Does anyone know of a good place to get away for some good fly fishing?  I am willing to hike 4-8 miles in order to find some seclusion and good fly angling.  I’m thinking of going somewhere near the Emigrant Wilderness area early next month.  If your spot is top secret, please Email me directly and I’ll use it very discretely.  Thanks for the good help.

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I will be going into the high country out of Kings Canyone later this month – 10,000′ and up. I inherited a fly rod & reel, and will be taking it along to experiment. I have caught a few trout with it already. I would appreciate any reccomendatiions on what works best in that area as far as fly selections. I will stock up a bit, but can’t get too carried away with gear. Thanks Brian Millin

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I will be going into the high country out of Kings Canyone later this month – 10,000′ and up. <snip I would appreciate any reccomendatiions on what works best in that area as far as fly selections. <snip

Brian, This is almost too easy.  You can catch fish in the high country on just about anything.  Last week I had a brookie hit my strike indicator, and wouldn’t let go! The streams between lakes, and where streams enter lakes are great spots to fish, but you probably already know this.  You can keep your fly selection very limited and simple.  Sizes 12, 14, 16 mainly.  Take along some Adams or Bi-visibles or Royal Wulffs, Gold Ribbed Hares Ear Nymphs, a Wooley Bugger or two.  These fish will NOT be selective.   Be sure to fish barbless, because you’ll catch way to many to keep them all, plus you want to release them fast to catch some more.  Fish every little pocket and seam, cover the water thoroughly, you won’t be disappointed. Write back when you return, Bruce

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Does anyone know of a good place to get away for some good fly fishing?  I am willing to hike 4-8 miles in order to find some seclusion and good fly angling.  I’m thinking of going somewhere near the Emigrant Wilderness area early next month.  If your spot is top secret, please Email me directly and I’ll use it very discretely.  Thanks for the good help.

As far as I’m concerned, the Emigrant Wilderness offers the best fishing to be found in the Sierra backcountry.  I can count on rainbows and brookies in the 18" to 20" range on most of my trips now.  I’ve found the key to good lake fishing is getting in the water.  That plus my black wooly buggers.  The only problem (or saving grace?) with the Emigrant Wilderness is that all of the worthwhile destinations begin at about the 15 mile mark.  So it doesn’t offer much to the weekender. If you’ve got the time, I suggest you contact the Kennedy Meadows Resort (1-209-965-3900) for horse packing information.  A pack trip is fairly inexpensive, you can get a long ways into the mountains and you can live slightly above the austere level of the shoe-buckeroo.  I would be happy to help you get hooked up on a trip, as I do a bit of cooking for the pack station from time to time.

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Someone recommended Randall Kaufman’s books as good reference material for a beginner.  I was under the impression that he has a book with both dry and wet flys.  Does anyone know if such a book exists (it doesn’t, according to my local library)? I would be interested in knowing the title of any/all books by Mr. Kaufman. Tim Obrey/ME

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Someone recommended Randall Kaufman’s books as good reference material for a beginner.  I was under the impression that he has a book with both dry and wet flys.  Does anyone know if such a book exists (it doesn’t, according to my local library)? I would be interested in knowing the title of any/all books by Mr. Kaufman.

Hi Tim, Kauffman’s fly tying books are each devoted exclusively to either dries or nymphs – your local library is correct. He is the author of a pattern "directory" that includes both dries and nymphs entitled "Fly Patterns of Umpqua Feather Merchants". Best,   Alan.   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, California   WWW Fly Tyer   http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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Tim, Try www.amazon.com — Donn Westervelt 72633,342 CIS

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: Someone recommended Randall Kaufman’s books as good reference material for a : beginner.  I was under the impression that he has a book with both dry and wet : flys.  Does anyone know if such a book exists (it doesn’t, according to my : local library)? I would be interested in knowing the title of any/all books by : Mr. Kaufman. Yup.  He has a new dry fly book, and a revised version of his nymph book. When I had to choose two (ONLY TWO) books on tying flies, to learn from, these were the two.  The illustrations are in color, and are very clear…with tricky points clearly described.  He discusses standard techniques fully.  The patterns are laid out in a "progressive" order so that you can learn quite a bit by tying each pattern in order (I’m about 2/3 of the way through both books).  Or you can jump around to your favorite pattern.  There’s a pattern directory in the back, listing many patterns not covered in the text WITH color PICTURES.  Also, each chapter has a little one or two page story having something to do with that pattern.  ALSO, there are excellent discussions of materials and tools. I now own FIVE books on fly tying: Talleur’s intro book (for my son), two books of patterns, and Kaufman’s two newer books. I strongly recommend these two books for anyone learning to tie flies. — Laboratory for Applied Logic    Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho             www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDtvLEAAAEEAKAC21G2Be0K0DMgjLpxrwLmsYfCz8rWcfgyABjr3Ryfk1dO nV7fFFpUF3xohR7die+/B2V9oqRQzTLeSF2ECKlsTY/yUyw2kn+P2ju1umh4Fwzd cVTvc+H69q1+Ft3kmw/PE0Pan+g0PUGGJ43stw3q4OgBHdixbRd/f9giJFDxAAUR tCZKYW1lcyBBLiBGb3N0ZXIgPGZvc3RlckBjcy51aWRhaG8uZWR1PokAlQMFEDD8 ReEXf3/YIiRQ8QEBFrAD/2AFuRWcD/3MENC3qJMC/Or1qxknjkK7Uv+TDf2LHPOY GHBbG9PyWuXQ8of0Dd+JYwf/tzlO9Yk1s1zTdikfriak21FW0bCokxDIhA3myppZ IZDWVA9CyvDYHuP5Ii1NkBvocab813JzDLZA+0iVN5sebGb9zSXR4Za47hlriHeP =RDHK —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—–

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Someone recommended Randall Kaufman’s books as good reference material for a beginner.  I was under the impression that he has a book with both dry and wet flys.  Does anyone know if such a book exists (it doesn’t, according to my local library)? I would be interested in knowing the title of any/all books by Mr. Kaufman. Tim Obrey/ME

Here’s a list of Randall Kaufmann’s books (I think it’s complete): American Nymph Fly Tying Manual (1975) Bonefishing with a Fly (1992) *The Fly Tyers Nymph Manual (1986) *Tying Dry Flies (1992) (there is also a revised edition) *Tying Nymphs (1992)         *= in-print Andy   A. M. Rapach–Angling Books Rare, Collectible & Used Angling      Books Bought and Sold <A HREF="http://www.westol.com/~andmr/fishbks"</A

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Randall Kaufmann has authored or coauthored several books covering fly tying and fly fishing for a variety of species. I think two books best suited for the beginning or advanced tyer are; Tying Nymphs, and Tying Dries. Randall is an excellent tier or tyer and has a gift of concise, easily understood writing. Vic’s Fly-By-Night Too much time spent tying Not enough fishing

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I got my first book on fly tying from the Federation of Fly Fishers. It is called an Introduction to Fly Tying by Al Beatty and Bob Lay. It only cost $2.00 plus S&H. I have since purchased a couple of videos by Al and they were really detailed. I don’t have his phone number but he often posts to this group. Stumbling along the fly fishing stream Ed

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone recommended Randall Kaufman’s books as good reference material for a beginner.  I was under the impression that he has a book with both dry and wet flys.  Does anyone know if such a book exists (it doesn’t, according to my local library)? I would be interested in knowing the title of any/all books by Mr. Kaufman. Tim Obrey/ME Here’s a list of Randall Kaufmann’s books (I think it’s complete): American Nymph Fly Tying Manual (1975) Bonefishing with a Fly (1992) *The Fly Tyers Nymph Manual (1986) *Tying Dry Flies (1992) (there is also a revised edition) *Tying Nymphs (1992)    *= in-print Andy  A. M. Rapach–Angling Books Rare, Collectible & Used Angling     Books Bought and Sold <A HREF="http://www.westol.com/~andmr/fishbks"</A

Add to the list: Lake Fishing with a Fly (1984) (co-authored with Ron Cordes) Fly Patterns of Umpqua Feather Merchants (1995) Tight lines Jay Whitworth

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(Ehrenstrom) sez: DAY AND WEED-END TRIPS, INCLUDING REEF TRIPS AND… Don’t you mean "day and reefer"… after all, how d’you get a weed-end? — COD — "What ho, Mercutio"  [Wm Shaksper] — "What? Homer Simpson?!" [M Groening]

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this sounds like advertising…is it?

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: ANYONE INTERESTED IN TRYING OUT SAIL-KAYAKS IN THE KEYS, CONTACT US. WE : ARE A GOOD GROUP OF PADDLERS OUT OF MARATHON ORGANIZING DAY AND WEED-END : TRIPS, INCLUDING REEF TRIPS AND FULL MOON PADDLES. THERE IS EVEN THE : OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME GREAT FLY-FISHING ON THE MANY FLATS NEAR BY, AND : IT’S NOT UNUSUAL TO PADDLE WITH DOLPHINS. SO COME JOIN US IN THE SUNNY AND : WARM FLORIDA KEYS. I just love those "WEED-END" trips, myself. If it’s advertising, it obviously clueless advertising. —                              Stealth Paddler           "If you didn’t see me, it’s not because I wasn’t there!"                   "Gene Police!  You – Outta the Pool!"

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ANYONE INTERESTED IN TRYING OUT SAIL-KAYAKS IN THE KEYS, CONTACT US. WE ARE A GOOD GROUP OF PADDLERS OUT OF MARATHON ORGANIZING DAY AND WEED-END TRIPS, INCLUDING REEF TRIPS AND FULL MOON PADDLES. THERE IS EVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME GREAT FLY-FISHING ON THE MANY FLATS NEAR BY, AND IT’S NOT UNUSUAL TO PADDLE WITH DOLPHINS. SO COME JOIN US IN THE SUNNY AND WARM FLORIDA KEYS.

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I have not seen a post on hex type rods. Has/does anyone use one? What is the action like? Why do  you prefer it? Thanks Michael

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Hexagraph rods have a sweet medium to medium fast action.  They are strikingly similar in appearance to bamboo and typically much faster and not as pricey either. Tom www.kinghill.com Best regards,   TK       King of the Hill Fly Fishing Co. http://www.kinghill.com/kinghill

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I might be heading out to Hong Kong – it’s a business trip, but there’s ALWAYS time for fly-fishing. Anyone got any ideas of what the fishing is like out there ? Thanks in advance, Doug

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Sorry Doug, I lived there for 10 years and the only fishing I did was in Australia. Some people dangle bits of meat in the harbour and get the occasional bite from something equally disgusting. The fishing is offshore and long gone Simon Hallett

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I wouldn’t bother, Doug.  I’m a keen fisher myself but I quickly gave up trying during my years out there. Christian Zoega Jessen |   Zoega Virksomhedsr