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Sounds like a FANTASTIC day on the water,  great report jh

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter Charles writes: <great report/info snipped Plans are in the offing for the next trip. Ok, I can’t make it tomorrow, but Friday is open!  d;o) Got home after an 8 hour drive (512 miles) in pouring rain, but every time I thought of those fish, I began to smile. If you’ve  fished with me, you know I don’t move around too well.  Legs and feet are very sore, but hotdamn, ya get an 18 pound salmon on a fly rod and he begins one (1) run that takes you well into your backing, ya hafta fall/leap out of the boat and run after the damn thing.  It ain’t fair.  But, is sure is heart thumping and adrenaline pumping.  And then, the bastid comes running back at you; once your get your line all wound up and clear,  he’s off on another run  into the backing   It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet and a fly that you *know* is gonna go straight any second.  Multiply that by 4 and you have an idea of the day Peter and I had on the Saugeen. I know where Peter lives.  I’ll be back, with a 10 foot 7 weight *with a fighting butt*, a Lamson 3.5 large arbor filled with wf line and as much backing as it can hold.  If not next month, Peter, count on late April/early May.  And this time we open the 18 year old stuff.  <G Dave

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(snip) It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet

(snip)     that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -wayno writes: (snip) It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet (snip)    that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno

Save a day next may.  You can sleep in the rv.  I’ll let you use my 8 weight *with* the fighting butt.  I wanna see your scrawny ass runnin down the middle of this water.  <G Louie

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   that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno

There’s a solution for that . . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Peter Charles writes:    that whole thing is just crazy.  just freaking crazy.  i can’t imagine such an experience. yfitons wayno There’s a solution for that . . . . Peter

He’s used to catching iddy biddy trout the size of his dick, Peter.  He wouldn’t dream of going up and fishing with us.  The largest rod he has is a 2 weight – we’d have to loan him equipment and probably teach him how to cast it.  <seg  This water is meant for PJ and combat fishing. Louie (who hopes insults will move his scrawny ass)

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Peter He’s used to catching iddy biddy trout the size of his dick, Peter.  He wouldn’t dream of going up and fishing with us.  The largest rod he has is a 2 weight – we’d have to loan him equipment and probably teach him how to cast it. <seg  This water is meant for PJ and combat fishing. Louie (who hopes insults will move his scrawny ass)

That small eh?  In that case, I would think a 0 weight would be more appropriate.  If he came, we’d probably need a bosun’s chair just to lower him out of the boat.  BTW, think he can even lift an 8 wt.?  If he ever hooked a salmon, he’d probably throw the rod overboard from sheer fright.    (how am I doin’?) Peter

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It’s late, I’m beat, the pirate is whacked – this TR is gonna be short. Up at 4:30 and, on the road at 5:15, arrived at the store at 6:00, on the water by 8:00 and home by 9:00pm.   Louie before the trip, "I’m gonna take my 6 wt."   Told the Pirate not to bother with his vest or the 6 wt.   Well, we’re at the put-in and John Valk (owner/guide) is going "Nyet" to the 6 wt.  Out comes the 8 wt.  Now I’m looking at Louie and the fighting butt on the 8 wt. is missing, "I took it off." he says.  Silly boy.  By the end of the day, there’s no vest, the 6 wt. never left its tube and he has a hole in his sternum where he had stuck the reel seat on repeated occasions. Best shot of the day – watching Louie’s face as his backing rapidly disappears.  Second best shot of the day, seeing Louie running 100 yds downstream trying to retrieve his backing – after vaulting out of the drift boat. Anyway, a bunch of very feisty chinook was had and all returned in one piece (including the anglers).   Details at 6:00. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Anyway, a bunch of very feisty chinook was had and all returned in one piece (including the anglers).   Sounds great.  Were there any steelhead in as yet ? Remove "XX" from address

We saw a few but the real run hasn’t gone going yet.  We need colder temps and a *lot* more water. As John fussed with the boat and stuff, there were a bunch of salmon playing in the shallows.  I had a poke at them with the big stick but no joy.  With that experience, I put it away and took out a single hander. Dave got out a rarely used Orvis 8 wt. with a big sinktip that proved to be a difficult line to use in the low water conditions. Dave, by his own admission, was unsure what this fishing would be about and when we found a pod of about 20 salmon cavorting about, he had two silver dollars for eyeballs.   John has a particular way of doing a wet fly swing (he likes the fly oriented north-south – I tend to a broadside presentation) but we both used John’s technique.  We swim the fly in front of the pod and hope that a big, pissed-off male will charge out and nail it.  Frequently, we were not disappointed and Dave got a very lively fish out of this pod within a couple of minutes. Dave hooked up first (a fish probably in the low teens) which promptly peeled off all of his line and a good quantity of backing.  It was a great intro to Saugeen salmon fishing.  He eventually ended up about 100 yards downstream where the fish was netted. A couple of points about these fish.  Credit River salmon are stocked and live in Lake Ontario whereas the Saugeen fish are naturals and live in Lake Huron.  You cannot imagine how much difference this results in.  Saugeen fish, even 70 miles upstream, are fairly bright and in excellent shape.  Credit River stockers are only a few miles up stream and already black and rotting.  The Saugeen fish takes off at a high rate of knots when released, even after a long fight.  He’s usually back cavorting in a minute or two.  Credit River fish often roll over an die upon release after a half-hearted fight.  John told us a story of catching the same chinook three times in succession and it fought just as hard the third time as it did the first. The Saugeen was especially low and clear so the fish were always very obvious.  We drifted over a few steelhead, loads of huge smallies, some browns, red horse suckers, carp, and a few unidentified.  The colours were especially bright in the high sun, and with the warm day, it was a very pleasant trip all-round. Final results were something like four fish each landed and multiple hookups (including one double).  Most of the fish were in the teens but one of mine was over 20 lbs.  We saw and hooked a few bruisers that ran over 30.  All of them took off in long runs.  Some of the fish were quite aerobatic with jumps, lunges and tumbles that often resulted in them being wrapped up in line.  One of mine began to fight funny after a few minutes. On initial hookup, the fish stuck his head out of the water with an open mouthed head shake that told of a fair hook.  By the time we got him landed, the fly was still in his mouth but he had about five winds of line around one fin.  Dave had one where the fly started off in it’s mouth and ended up in it’s tail.  We figured it too got wrapped up in line and then the fly came loose only to reattach. I’ll have a trip on my site by next week with pics that will give some indication of the river and the fish.   It was fun as always having the Pirate up and Thanksgiving dinner will long be remembered for the gales of laughter and the sore sides we had in the morning. Plans are in the offing for the next trip. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Peter Charles writes: <great report/info snipped Plans are in the offing for the next trip.

Don’t wait too long. Ok, I can’t make it tomorrow, but Friday is open!  d;o)

At the Salmon River, Saugeen next week. Got home after an 8 hour drive (512 miles) in pouring rain, but every time I thought of those fish, I began to smile.

probably brighter than those bright blue Audi headlights. If you’ve  fished with me, you know I don’t move around too well.  Legs and feet are very sore, but hotdamn, ya get an 18 pound salmon on a fly rod and he begins one (1) run that takes you well into your backing, ya hafta fall/leap out of the boat and run after the damn thing.  It ain’t fair.  But, is sure is heart thumping and adrenaline pumping.  And then, the bastid comes running back at you; once your get your line all wound up and clear,  he’s off on another run  into the backing   It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet and a fly that you *know* is gonna go straight any second.  Multiply that by 4 and you have an idea of the day Peter and I had on the Saugeen.  

It was a memorable day fer sure.   I know where Peter lives.  I’ll be back, with a 10 foot 7 weight *with a fighting butt*, a Lamson 3.5 large arbor filled with wf line and as much backing as it can hold. If not next month, Peter, count on late April/early May.  And this time we open the 18 year old stuff.  <G

You mean, like again! Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Peter Charles writes:

<great report/info snipped Plans are in the offing for the next trip.

Ok, I can’t make it tomorrow, but Friday is open!  d;o) Got home after an 8 hour drive (512 miles) in pouring rain, but every time I thought of those fish, I began to smile. If you’ve  fished with me, you know I don’t move around too well.  Legs and feet are very sore, but hotdamn, ya get an 18 pound salmon on a fly rod and he begins one (1) run that takes you well into your backing, ya hafta fall/leap out of the boat and run after the damn thing.  It ain’t fair.  But, is sure is heart thumping and adrenaline pumping.  And then, the bastid comes running back at you; once your get your line all wound up and clear,  he’s off on another run  into the backing   It is definitely weird to be running downstream in knee-deep water, with your flyrod high and see a fish jump 250 feet in front of you and realize that you are connected to that fish with a hundred feet of line, a hundred and forty feet of backing , 10 feet of 10 pound tippet and a fly that you *know* is gonna go straight any second.  Multiply that by 4 and you have an idea of the day Peter and I had on the Saugeen.   I know where Peter lives.  I’ll be back, with a 10 foot 7 weight *with a fighting butt*, a Lamson 3.5 large arbor filled with wf line and as much backing as it can hold.  If not next month, Peter, count on late April/early May.  And this time we open the 18 year old stuff.  <G Dave

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Sounds like a great trip. Sight fishing for big fish, can’t beat that! Did you catch anything other than the Chinooks?

Nope, we were hoping for steelhead but the conditions were too warm and the water too low.  We saw lots of smallies but with the low, clear water, we saw them when we spooked them.   Not sure I’d call the the Saugeen fish "natural" but the same differences you found here between the stocked and streambred salmon also applies to trout. Even though the genetics might be the same, the stocked fish act differently even after being in the wild for a considerable time. Willi

I used the term ‘natural’ to mean naturally reproducing.  While these chinook exhibit superior characteristics as compared to their stocked cousins, I haven’t seem the same difference between natural and stocked browns on the Grand.  That may have something to do with how the Grand stocking program is managed. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I thought that Ontario had stopped stocking chinook altogether, but I guess not, eh ?   The strain of chinook used for stocking is one that does not move in until quite late.  I’ve read that what has happened in some cases where natural reproduction has been established is that over generations the salmon have tended to come into rivers earlier and earlier prior to spawning.  It sounds like the Saugeen is one of them.

I’ve always understood that Credit River chinook were stocked as the prospects for natural reproduction were poor.  John confirmed that they were stockers. I’ve not heard about earlier runs but with the Saugeen being farther north, an earlier run is to be expected.  There’s no question that they are much healthier fish. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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      Anyway, a bunch of very feisty chinook was had and all returned in one   piece (including the anglers).       Sounds great.  Were there any steelhead in as yet ?     Remove "XX" from address       A couple of points about these fish.  Credit River salmon are stocked   and live in Lake Ontario whereas the Saugeen fish are naturals and   live in Lake Huron.  You cannot imagine how much difference this   results in.  Saugeen fish, even 70 miles upstream, are fairly bright   and in excellent shape.  Credit River stockers are only a few miles up   stream and already black and rotting.  The Saugeen fish takes off at a   high rate of knots when released, even after a long fight.  He’s   usually back cavorting in a minute or two.  Credit River fish often   roll over an die upon release after a half-hearted fight.  John told   us a story of catching the same chinook three times in succession and   it fought just as hard the third time as it did the first. Sounds like a great trip. Sight fishing for big fish, can’t beat that! Did you catch anything other than the Chinooks? Not sure I’d call the the Saugeen fish "natural" but the same differences you found here between the stocked and streambred salmon also applies to trout. Even though the genetics might be the same, the stocked fish act differently even after being in the wild for a considerable time. Willi

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Looking at a possible Northern California trip the first part of October.  Would like it to be a guided trip for a minimum of two days.   Anyone have any suggestions as where to go? Have looked on the net and will probably go to the Redding area.  Want it to be private as much as possible. Want to fish for Salmon or trout, doesn’t matter, just want to be catered too and guided for a day or two.  Some advice would be helpful in the decision, was thinking of a lodge…. Thanks a bunch Paul

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Looking at a possible Northern California trip the first part of October.  Would like it to be a guided trip for a minimum of two days.   Anyone have any suggestions as where to go? Have looked on the net and will probably go to the Redding area.  Want it to be private as much as possible. Want to fish for Salmon or trout, doesn’t matter, just want to be catered too and guided for a day or two.  Some advice would be helpful in the decision, was thinking of a lodge…. Thanks a bunch Paul

Suggest you contact ROFF’s own Bill Kiene. Look up http://www.kiene.com. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Well, we liked this place a lot.  Take a look and let me know what you think. Richard PS:  Nice salmon when I was there!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking at a possible Northern California trip the first part of October.  Would like it to be a guided trip for a minimum of two days. Anyone have any suggestions as where to go? Have looked on the net and will probably go to the Redding area.  Want it to be private as much as possible. Want to fish for Salmon or trout, doesn’t matter, just want to be catered too and guided for a day or two.  Some advice would be helpful in the decision, was thinking of a lodge…. Thanks a bunch Paul

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Anyone know why this wonderful show is no longer carried by the "Toronto Sports Network" (TSN). I think one would be hard pressed to find a better show in the genre and I am sooo sick of the current offerings, really almost totally void of any quality fly fishing programs – I think if I see Henry and Italio again I’m going to take hostages! You have to wonder that if the CRTC was abolished tommorrow, most of the fishing shows currently we are forced to watch would not last one season. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Anyone know why this wonderful show is no longer carried by the "Toronto Sports Network" (TSN). I think one would be hard pressed to find a better show in the genre and I am sooo sick of the current offerings, really almost totally void of any quality fly fishing programs – I think if I see Henry and Italio again I’m going to take hostages! You have to wonder that if the CRTC was abolished tommorrow, most of the fishing shows currently we are forced to watch would not last one season.

Bill Ya, the show just disappeared off the tube and I haven’t seen a trace of it.  Speaking of hostages and H & I, these shows are total hostages of the sponsors, they have to work in the product constantly to the point that the show is a 30 minute commercial.  IBFF never once mentioned the product and concentrated on fishing, maybe that was their downfall? Peter

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The show was finded by OLF and was not renewed after it’s second season was completed last year. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know why this wonderful show is no longer carried by the "Toronto Sports Network" (TSN). I think one would be hard pressed to find a better show in the genre and I am sooo sick of the current offerings, really almost totally void of any quality fly fishing programs – I think if I see Henry and Italio again I’m going to take hostages! You have to wonder that if the CRTC was abolished tommorrow, most of the fishing shows currently we are forced to watch would not last one season. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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   In the first place Mike didn’t do anything any decent person would have done. I sent an E-mail to Dianna telling her my opinion of the article and received a reply which was negative and did not sound like her.  I did not know about the injury to her husband and the pressure she was under at the time.  As the Editor she did have a responsibility to place a disclaimer to state FAOL’s position on Old Ruff’s article, which she did not do.  This made it appear that they condoned this inflammatory article.  Then she removed the negative comments about it from FAOL which further indicated FAOL’s position was to agree with the article.  Deanna made some serious errors and her actions led to the current situation.    Mike’s reputation is even better with me because he has the courage of his convictions.  If I had to chose between Mike and FAOL, Mike would win every time. Ernie Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a certain reputation to uphold here, and elsewhere.< Not any more. Oh, I think Mike still enjoys a pretty good reputation on ROFF.  Of course, my supposition hinges on the assumption that you don’t speak for all of us…….I could be wrong.

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ROFF is the one place, FAOL cannot censor opposing points of view. < And one YOU cannot censor.

And what have I censored? bc.

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HRBlain writes: I could be wrong.< You often are.

Careful, HR, or you’ll end up in Bmabia, which is right next to Bmalia.  In fact, they share the same fire and police dpts.  The young ladies in Bmabia, however, are small titted, unlike the lucious dolls of Bmalia.  Something about the water I suspect. Dave L.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike,   Ok, already! Perhaps it is only me, but I see no need to burden ROFF with ongoing matters on FAOL. For days on end, we get a bombardment of threads, the vast majority started by yourself, to discuss your beef with folks who don’t regularly contribute here. Wasn’t it you who had to depart us once before over needless bulk caused by other threads? You seem to be taken with the need to justify on this forum why you shouldn’t be blamed for the demise(if indeed such happens)of FAOL. It is perfectly rational that some blame you. Get over it. Get back to the insightful and well written stuff that has endeared you to many. I miss your angling writing, and hope not to offend with these observations.                         regards,                          Tom Littleton "Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only real cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas."

Tom: I am little more than a lurker here with very few posts to my credit. I have, however, read Mr. Connors and many others posts over the last 6 months. In this time I’ve found him to be free with his knowledge, a prolific contributor to the group, and above all, a reasonable and courteous gentleman. He now finds himself in a position of being slandered, quoted out of context, and generally maligned by persons who aren’t qualified to carry his creel. His integrity has been called in to question by persons with less than honourable methods. I think he has handled himself with more restraint than I could. If he feels that posting to a public forum is the best way to defend his name, I am willing to afford him some lattitude. IMHO, ROFF is a forum for educated (formal or otherwise) and sometimes opinionated, gentleman to gather for thought provoking discussion with fly fishing being the tie that binds (if not always the main topic <G). When I get tired of a thread I just move to the next subject header. Rick O. "Children are born with an innate sense of justice; it usually takes twelve years of public schooling and four more years of college to beat it out of them." "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell."

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Like I said in another post… "Crusty Factor" — Michael Era

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Hi All, I realize the following does not relate to fly fishing.  However, it does relate to our ability to communicate with each other as we do on ROFF. If anyone can show me how to send it to other news groups without subscribing to each one (there are thousands of groups), I would appreciate it.  Please forward this to all you know. PLEASE EMAIL YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND TELL HIM YOU DON’T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN. Pete Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay on-line and continue using e-mail: The last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly push through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet. Under proposed legislation the US. Postal Service will be attempting to bilk email users out of "alternate postage fees".  Bill 602P will permit the Federal Govt. to charge a 5 cent surcharge on every email delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP.  Washington D.C. lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this legislation from becoming law. The U.S. Postal Service is claiming that lost revenue due to the proliferation of email is costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You may have noticed their recent ad campaign "There is nothing like a letter".  Since the average citizen received about 10 pieces of email per day in 1998, the cost to the typical individual would be an additional 50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above and beyond their regular Internet costs.  Note that this would be money paid directly to the U.S. Postal Service for a service they do not even provide.  The whole point of the Internet is democracy and noninterference. If the federal government is permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a surcharge to email, who knows where it will end.  You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic inefficiency. If the U.S. Postal Service is allowed to tinker with email, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States.  One congressman, Tony Schnell has even suggested a "twenty to forty dollar per month surcharge on all Internet service" above and beyond the government’s proposed email charges.  Note that most of the major newspapers have ignored the story, the only exception being the Washingtonian which called the idea of email surcharge "a useful concept whose time has come" (March 6, 1999 Editorial). Don’t sit by and watch your freedom erode away!  Send this email to all Americans on your list and tell your friends and relatives to write to their congressman and say "No!" to Bill 602P. Kate Turner, Assistant to Richard Stepp Berger, Stepp and Gorman Attorneys at Law 216 Concorde Street Vienna, VA URGENT!!!! Pass this along to all your email buddies!

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Thanks to Ken for the heads up relating to spamming.  I did not realize that would be spamming.   I thought advertising a business would be spamming. If you do want to email your congressman regarding this bill which will charge us 5 cents per emailing you can find his address by going to the below web site. http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html Pete

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pete, this is one of those urban myths we’ve all heard about. This one has fooled a lot of folks but it’s untrue. Even if it were true you would NOT want to send this to thousands of newsgroups. That’s called spamming and would almost certainly result in mindspring yanking your account. — Ken Fortenberry

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Pete, this is one of those urban myths we’ve all heard about. This one has fooled a lot of folks but it’s untrue. Even if it were true you would NOT want to send this to thousands of newsgroups. That’s called spamming and would almost certainly result in mindspring yanking your account. — Ken Fortenberry

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Hi All, I realize the following does not relate to fly fishing.  However, it does relate to our ability to communicate with each other as we do on ROFF. If anyone can show me how to send it to other news groups without subscribing to each one (there are thousands of groups), I would appreciate it.  Please forward this to all you know. PLEASE EMAIL YOUR CONGRESSMAN AND TELL HIM YOU DON’T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN. Pete

We just managed to get the de facto monopoly, coupled with extortionate online charges etc  here to open up. I would like to see what would happen to anybody who now tried to charge us for e-mails. American congressmen included. TL MC

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Um….Pete, don’t believe everything you see on your computer. First of all, there is no such bill "602P". The closest listed bill – H.R.602- is titled: "Civil Service Long-Term Care Insurance Benefit Act (Introduced in the House)". Not even close. Second, there are only two bills in the entire House or Senate that even mention the word "email": H.R.1910 "To prohibit abuses in the use of unsolicited bulk electronic mail, and for other purposes" (aka the "E-Mail User Protection Act"); and S.809 "Online Privacy Protection Act of 1999" (another Good Thing). Neither of them discuss or describe user fees. Third, even the Postmaster General has refuted the existence of such a plan. You’ve been sucked into one of the better "e-ruses" that have gone around lately. It’s best not to proliferate these throughout Usenet – no matter how much sense they seem to make… /daytripper (source: THOMAS)

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[snipped myself. OUCH!] Did a lookup on "electronic" + "email" and got two more hits: H.R.3113 "Unsolicited Electronic Mail Act of 1999" (‘… to protect individuals, families, and Internet service providers from unsolicited and unwanted electronic mail.’) H.R.1685 "Internet Growth and Development Act" (‘…to provide for the recognition of electronic signatures for the conduct of interstate and foreign commerce, to restrict the transmission of certain electronic mail advertisements, to authorize the Federal Trade Commission to prescribe rules to protect the privacy of users of commercial Internet websites, to promote the rapid deployment of broadband Internet services, and for other purposes.’) Both "Good Things" (imo); and neither mention fees for the likes of us… /daytripper (source: THOMAS)

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602P Um….Pete, don’t believe everything you see on your computer. snip< Third, even the Postmaster General has refuted the existence of such a plan. You’ve been sucked into one of the better "e-ruses" that have gone around lately. It’s best not to proliferate these throughout Usenet – no matter how much sense they seem to make…

I happened to be on the US Postal Service site for another reason and saw that this hoax is apparently so widespread that even the USPS has a refutation on their site. Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snipped myself. OUCH!] Did a lookup on "electronic" + "email" and got two more hits: H.R.3113 "Unsolicited Electronic Mail Act of 1999" (‘… to protect individuals, families, and Internet service providers from unsolicited and unwanted electronic mail.’) H.R.1685 "Internet Growth and Development Act" (‘…to provide for the recognition of electronic signatures for the conduct of interstate and foreign commerce, to restrict the transmission of certain electronic mail advertisements, to authorize the Federal Trade Commission to prescribe rules to protect the privacy of users of commercial Internet websites, to promote the rapid deployment of broadband Internet services, and for other purposes.’) Both "Good Things" (imo); and neither mention fees for the likes of us… /daytripper (source: THOMAS)

They had the same hoax going around in the Great White North only it was Canada Post and the naughty Chretien Liberals who were the villians.  Had a phony bill too, if I recall. Peter

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SNIP SNIP " You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic inefficiency."

SNIP SNIP Obviously Im not in favor of a stamp/tax on Email But . . . Your statement above strikes me as bullshit. How is 35 cents "exorbitant?" Compared to what? Some country does it better for less? You know of some private or public enterprize that delivers the same or more value added for 35 cents? On this or any other galaxy? Inefficiency? Ever seen an automated mail sorting facility? Dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SNIP SNIP " You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic inefficiency." SNIP SNIP Obviously Im not in favor of a stamp/tax on Email But . . . Your statement above strikes me as bullshit. How is 35 cents "exorbitant?" Compared to what? Some country does it better for less? You know of some private or public enterprize that delivers the same or more value added for 35 cents? On this or any other galaxy? Inefficiency? Ever seen an automated mail sorting facility? Dave

I’ll also point out that the US Postal Service is one government agency that turns a profit. They really should work on their customer service, though. Going into a big-city post office is still as close as you’ll get to a Stalinist experience in the US. My post office in California routinely loses packages. However, the little post office in Stanley is a well-run, friendly place. The postmaster (postmistress?) knows all the local people by name. I had a problem with ordering stuff to be delivered by UPS because the houses in Stanley don’t have street addresses, which UPS requires. The postmaster just told me to make up an address and she’d tell the UPS guy where I lived. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent

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Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent

Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t  been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS

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Hi-   We live- but our server has been unplugged. We were on the Adventure West Magazine server. Ad West, left for bigger digs in Seattle and in the process, apparently, unplugged their server. They have yet to answer my email or phone class regarding the situation. We WILL reappear, but I’m at a loss as to when, where and under what guise. -Ralph Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t  been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS

California School of Flyfishing. Fishing conditions, hatch charts, product reviews, tips, techniques and more.  http://www.FLYLINE.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi-   We live- but our server has been unplugged. We were on the Adventure West Magazine server. Ad West, left for bigger digs in Seattle and in the process, apparently, unplugged their server. They have yet to answer my email or phone class regarding the situation. We WILL reappear, but I’m at a loss as to when, where and under what guise. -Ralph Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t  been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS California School of Flyfishing. Fishing conditions, hatch charts, product reviews, tips, techniques and more.  http://www.FLYLINE.com

Ralph, Could you post a Tahoe area report here? Thanks, Michael Smith

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ZAKANY wrote Since your lawn is new, I would caution against using any weed killer on it this year, or early next year. New lawns usually look poor the first year. For crabgrass, I prefer using a pre-emergent. Thus, I would have you wait to address the crabgrass for two years. Broadleaf weeds, however, can be taken care of about one year from now. Until then, water, overseed, and fertilize your grass/weed mixture.

I agree, especially on the point of giving a new lawn time to establish. Crab grass really don’t compete that much with a lawn–new or old. It comes from a problem or condition (such as being new) with the lawn itself. Occasionally, dry spots that develop in spring will be filled with crab grass by late summer. Yet, the next year, with more rain or better watering, the same spots will have no crab grass problems at all. I have never even bothered with a pre-emergent. Naturally, crab grass pops up here and there but it never takes over provided I have given the lawn reasonable care in the spring and early summer. Also, seeding new lawns in the fall is a good way of minimizing most any weed problems.   -Paul

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Keep on watering and mowing very regularly (and deeply on the watering.).   Put out some fresh grass seed just before watering if you remember it.  The lawn grass will outgrow the crabgrass and it’ll all look great in about a year, maybe two at most.  If you can handle it, mow every 5 days, whether it looks as if it needs it or not.  Most people seem to mow once a week, because it’s an easy way to remember when to do it, but 5 days is the best.  Even on a weekly mowing schedule, it’ll still look good way sooner than you’d think possible. Try to water once a week for about 6 to 8 hours at a time.  Helps the grasses put their roots way down and keeps them surviving hot and dry times. Don’t bother to pull the crabgrass.  For one thing, it’s helping hold the soil until the regular grasses can take over their rightful place. I tilled my entire front lawn early spring and planted URI #1 grass seed.  I now have 65% crab grass and 10% weed and the rest lawn.  I need an inexpensive way to deal with this crab grass.  I am ready to give up on this whole lawn thing and just put crushed stone or something…  I live in RI (New England). Please help.  -Joe —– To reply by e-mail, remove the "XXX" from the above e-mail address.

"If I die of curiosity, who will entertain you with naive questions?"  I only answer my mail on an average of once every two months.  Be patient.  http://www.visi.com/~cyli/

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<<<I tilled my entire front lawn early spring and planted URI #1 grass seed. <<  Crab grass seed is pervasive but doesn’t germinate easily under mulch or a healthy lawn.  In lawn you can stop most weed germination by applying a preemergent such as HALTS in the spring or kill adult (younger is better) crabgrass by spraying with a selective "Crabgrass Killer" product that won’t harm most other grasses. Since your lawn is new, I would caution against using any weed killer on it this year, or early next year. New lawns usually look poor the first year. For crabgrass, I prefer using a pre-emergent. Thus, I would have you wait to address the crabgrass for two years. Broadleaf weeds, however, can be taken care of about one year from now. Until then, water, overseed, and fertilize your grass/weed mixture. Mistakes are the Portals to Discovery…and Ridicule

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I tilled my entire front lawn early spring and planted URI #1 grass seed.  I now have 65% crab grass and 10% weed and the rest lawn.  I need an inexpensive way to deal with this crab grass.  I am ready to give up on this whole lawn thing and just put crushed stone or something…  I live in RI (New  England).

  Crab grass seed is pervasive but doesn’t germinate easily under mulch or a healthy lawn.  In lawn you can stop most weed germination by applying a preemergent such as HALTS in the spring or kill adult (younger is better) crabgrass by spraying with a selective "Crabgrass Killer" product that won’t harm most other grasses. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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I tilled my entire front lawn early spring and planted URI #1 grass seed.  I now have 65% crab grass and 10% weed and the rest lawn.  I need an inexpensive way to deal with this crab grass.  I am ready to give up on this whole lawn thing and just put crushed stone or something…  I live in RI (New  England). Please help.  -Joe —– To reply by e-mail, remove the "XXX" from the above e-mail address.

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I tilled my entire front lawn early spring and planted URI #1 grass seed.  I now have 65% crab grass and 10% weed and the rest lawn.  I need an inexpensive way to deal with this crab grass.  I am ready to give up on this whole lawn thing and just put crushed stone or something…  I live in RI (New England). Please help.  -Joe

Joe, I hate to have you go through all of that work again, but this would be my suggestion. Till up the "lawn" again.  Then water it very good.  Let the weeds and crabgrass grow for a week or two, then till again.  Water heavily and let it grow for another week or two.  Then till again.  I would suggest repeating this process until late august/early september when the temperatures start to break.  The idea is to bring up as many of the weed seeds as possible, let them germinate and then kill them by tilling them up.   If the area is small you might even want to try soil solorization seperately or in conjunction with the tilling.  Just lay down clear plastic sheeting over the area that was tilled and/or  watered heavily. The high heat and moisture under the sheeting will help the weed seeds germinate more quickly and then will burn them out with the intense heat and sunlight.  This is really only good if you are going to have some nice sunny, warm weather in the near future. A day or so after the last tilling rake out all of the dead stuff that you can get out.  You may wish to do this after every tilling before watering again, but it will probably depend upon how much time you have.  Once you have raked out all of the debris possible, grade the lawn and reseed with a good disease resistant grass seed mix (try to find a hybrid name not a common grass seed).  Use Kentucky Bluegrass and/or Perennial Rye for sunny areas and Fine Fescue for shaded areas. You may want to topdress the lawn with some good topsoil and then fertilizer with a good organic fertilizer.  I use a liquid seaweed and fish emulsion mix which is good as a foliar feed or as a soil prep. Keep the grass watered well for the next couple of weeks.  Make sure that the soil is moist most of the time, but no puddles.  Once the lawn begins to establish itself (after a few weeks), begin watering more deeply and less often.  This will encourage deeper root growth which will help the plant withstand the first frosts. In the spring cut your lawn once before it even turns green.  Just take off the very tips of the blades.  Then wait until the lawn is of regular mowing height before cutting again.  This will encourage an early start and will help you beat the weeds.  Mow the lawn long (about 2 1/2 to 3 inches).  This will help shade the ground and keep many weed seeds from germinating in the first place.  Then make sure to bag your lawn clippings when any weeds that may pop up begin to go to seed.  This will prevent these seeds from being a nuisance later. I recommend overseeding the lawn each fall for a few years.  This, along with organic mowing methods described above and a good organic fertilizer program will eventually crowd out your weeds and provide for a nice, thick turf. Regards, Michael Kaufman Organic Lawncare Specialist <http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/klawncare/welcome.htm "Organic Fertilizer and Other Products / ‘FREE’ Organic Lawncare Tips"

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I tilled my entire front lawn early spring and planted URI #1 grass seed.  I now have 65% crab grass and 10% weed and the rest lawn.  I need an inexpensive way to deal with this crab grass.  I am ready to give up on this whole lawn thing and just put crushed stone or something…  I live in RI (New  England). Please help.  -Joe —– To reply by e-mail, remove the "XXX" from the above e-mail address.

Hi Joe.  I’d suggest you contact the U of RI Cooperative Extension office nearest you.  Try to get their publication(s) on turf grasses. They should have them–most states do.  Then follow directions, consulting an extension agent if necessary.  They are very helpful ordinarily.  John Reiner

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Looking for info on the Bitterroot River. When are the flows good for fishing? Would like to fish in the months of July or August.   What kind of hatches should I expect to encounter? Thank in advance for any information. Fly Guy

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Looking for info on the Bitterroot River. When are the flows good for fishing? Would like to fish in the months of July or August. What kind of hatches should I expect to encounter? Thank in advance for any information. Fly Guy

If you plan on fishing the bitterroot, fish in late july or august.  Our snow pack is 160% of normal and run off should last through early july.  Here is a couple of Outfitters and shops that can give you more information. Fishaus Tackle 406-363-6158 Grizzly Hackle 800-297-8996 Cross Currents 406-449-2292 If you are interested we offer flyfishing software for fishing 84 rivers in Montana, the bitterroot is included in this list.  Our software has up to date information on hatches, cfs flows, fly shops, hotle & motel information plus much more.   Here is some of the hatches you will encounter: Cinnamon Sedge, Golden Stone, Hoppers, Brown Stones, PMD’s, and Trico’s. If run off is too bad you can fish the Missouri River , it is a tail water fishery and even with high run offs the clarity is good.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on the Bitterroot River. When are the flows good for fishing? Would like to fish in the months of July or August. What kind of hatches should I expect to encounter? Thank in advance for any information. Fly Guy If you plan on fishing the bitterroot, fish in late july or august.  Our snow pack is 160% of normal and run off should last through early july.  Here is a couple of Outfitters and shops that can give you more information. Fishaus Tackle 406-363-6158 Grizzly Hackle 800-297-8996 Cross Currents 406-449-2292 If you are interested we offer flyfishing software for fishing 84 rivers in Montana, the bitterroot is included in this list.  Our software has up to date information on hatches, cfs flows, fly shops, hotle & motel information plus much more. Here is some of the hatches you will encounter: Cinnamon Sedge, Golden Stone, Hoppers, Brown Stones, PMD’s, and Trico’s. If run off is too bad you can fish the Missouri River , it is a tail water fishery and even with high run offs the clarity is good.

It should be noted that water is being rapidly released from behind dams on the Missouri in anticipation of major run-off..so it may be having an some impact on the Missouri as a tailwater fishery….here in Missoula we are being asked to prepare for something on the level of between a 100 year and 500 year event once the snow begins to melt…

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Bitterroot is running over 1100 cfs today. Thats not bad but it ain’t great and it has been rising (from 800 cfs on saturday). The Clark Fork is already over 600 cfs and is pretty muddy. Missouri below Holter has been around 8000 cfs for awhile now in anticipation of the melt, which by the way has NOT started yet (in earnest). In fact, it is trying to spit snow outside right now! — Brian D. Nelson, Missoula, Montana Montana Flyfishing and Hunting Outfitter http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm http://www.montana.com/dno/hunt.htm

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You might try straws with the tippet strung between the ends and the flies stuck in the straw.  That’s still a pain sometimes too, I wish I knew the perfect method. Curtis

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Hi Tim, Your idea on storing already assemble nymph and dropper fly sounds great. I think I’ll do something similar myself. Thanks! Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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any suggestions on how to store a dropper/point combination?  I hate to discard the tippet and start all over again when reusing the same combination.  thanks

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any suggestions on how to store a dropper/point combination?  I hate to discard the tippet and start all over again when reusing the same

Round your hat, easy if brimmed, otherwise still possible. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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any suggestions on how to store a dropper/point combination?  I hate to discard the tippet and start all over again when reusing the same Round your hat, easy if brimmed, otherwise still possible.

I took a newbie nymphing awhile back…I was waiting for him at the house (you know how those damned newbies are) and thought I could save some time on the river by pre-tying some of these casts, so I did…I tied a dozen BigFLy/Little fly combinations using a 14 inch hunk of 5X. At the time, I found a little cardboard watch box (approx: 1 X 3 X 6) with this carboard insert. I simply cut slits in each end of this insert…put the big hook in the slit, wrapped the tippet around and stuck the little hook into the cardboard.  Put the insert back in the box. It really worked well, except for the 5th law of flyfishing… that a hatch was on and midge emergers were in order, not the deep drift casts I had ready. (lucky bastard still probably has a dozen damn droppers and 2 dozen of my best nymphs in his vest somewhere hanging in a garage while he’s out golfing…) Tim Walker

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I’m considering adding outriggers to my 22′ fishing boat.  Before I do, however, I thought I might try out planer boards which are set up to plane out to the side as the boat moves forward.  I would then attach a release clip to the planer board so that the line would free up from the board if a fish strikes.  It would seem to me that this type of system would be more practical on a small boat than outriggers.  Has anyone out there tried out this approach?  What have been your experiences? regards, gs Gary Segal, MD; Dept. of Medicine, UCI/VAMC, 5901 E. 7th Street, Long Beach,                         "AYMATAI"

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Sideplaners are very popular in the Great Lakes and probably the best bet as you use them when you need them and leave them when you don’t. Another easy option is some long rods.  I troll with 12 foot fly rod blanks turned out as trolling rods to get the separation I like. Another trick little item is a Downjigger — we’ll have some add pages on that in my Fine Fishing magazine — finefishing.com — in the next few days.  This sppeds and slows trolled lures to improve results. Sort of like rowing without blisters. Oh Fine Fishing has 600,000 words, 200+ articles, a half dozen recent awards etc. and like the NAOG material on our site, covers a lot of trolling if that’s what you like.  I’ll have a new So Cal saltwater editor on in the next couple of weeks too.a

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: I’m considering adding outriggers to my 22′ fishing boat.  Before I do, : however, I thought I might try out planer boards which are set up to plane : out to the side as the boat moves forward.  I would then attach a release : clip to the planer board so that the line would free up from the board if a : fish strikes.  It would seem to me that this type of system would be more : practical on a small boat than outriggers.  Has anyone out there tried out : this approach?  What have been your experiences? : I tried outriggers on my 20′ boat. I wasn’t very happy with the result. The smaller boat simply rolls too much, whipping the outriggers, putting a lot of strain on the gunwale mounts and jerking the baits. About the only thing that planer boards can’t do as well is to trail surface baits a long way behind the boat. They are also a little harder to work; you should have two people in the boat to manage them easily. — We sense that life is a dark comedy and maybe we can live with that. However, because the whole thing is written for the entertainment of the gods, too many of the jokes go right over our heads.     (D. R. Koontz)

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