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Recent tirades accusing folks of severe mushiness in their reminiscing about the dearly departed have led me to assess my feelings toward Mr. Connor now, lest I be so accused of a similar affront to the group’s common sensibilities at a later date. Thus the following: I enjoy Mikes poetry, even though it is often rather acerbic. It is still quite witty, and even sounds like I think poetry ought to sound, that is it rhymes and has a certain meter to it. I appreciate Mike’s technical knowledge of the pastime we all enjoy so much. I have no idea where Mike learned all the stuff he professes (his technical discussions of flylines come to mind), but in general, it seems that he knows what he is talking about, and adds my general knowledge of flyfishing. I think I would enjoy fishing with him some day, although I doubt that would ever happen as it is unlikely I will travel to his neck of the woods at a time when a flyrod should accompany me (plus, there are just so many great places to fish on this side of the great pond). I think I would learn things from him, and I believe I would enjoy his wit and humor. Hopefully, he would enjoy fishing with me as well, although I doubt that there is much he would learn from me, other than how to execute a rather amateurish "Full Reid" from a drift boat. I do not enjoy Mike’s eloquent tirades accusing an increasingly large part of the flyfishing community of being assholes, etc. Frankly, I don’t enjoy the rejoinders from those accused much either. That sort of name calling and language really doesn’t impress me much. I have always thought the English language rich enough that concentration on just a few four letter adjectives misses a wealth of opportunity. I am reminded of that great scene in Roxanne where Steve Martin replies to his tormentor’s "Hey big nose" greeting with a rapid fire list of 20 eloquent alternatives. So there, I’ve said it. No one can accuse me of sentimental mushery after the fact. Jim Ray

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<SNIP So there, I’ve said it. No one can accuse me of sentimental mushery after the fact. Jim Ray

Careful Jim, somebody might accuse you of sentimental mushery before the fact. Just as well for you that I did not die in the meantime!   I fear you would have been in deep doo-doo!!! )) TL MC

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Just as well for you that I did not die in the meantime!   I fear you would have been in deep doo-doo!!! ))

Not really.. it seems the only person opposing such mushing would have been gone at that point…

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 on the contrary:  posts such as yours often transform banality into a worthwhile subject for ridicule.

Who else has a motorcycle with 3 fly tying vices on it (except maybe Dig Dale<g)? — Charlie…

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(except maybe Dig Dale<g)?

Or Big Dale, too… — Charlie…

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however, you must not consider my response to be an effort to take  the keyboard from your hands.  on the contrary:  posts such as yours often transform banality into a worthwhile subject for ridicule.

Almost makes me feel bad I missed it. If you hear a distant scream from the East later this morning, you’ll know all those missing posts showed up at once when I fired up ROFF from my office PC. –Steve

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(snip ramblings from the king of babble-on)         george, it is a pity that you are so bereft of literacy; otherwise, the world of psychiatry would be afforded a marvelous insight into the world of the egomaniac, at no cost, here at roff.         however, you must not consider my response to be an effort to take  the keyboard from your hands.  on the contrary:  posts such as yours often transform banality into a worthwhile subject for ridicule.         "wayne"

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What I like about my place is that it reeks with the outdoors/indoors. The unusual objects that grace this place of quiet solitude are really signatures of my life.  To the right of me, as I write this is a motorcycle, right next to my desk – a library of outdoor literature that would keep any man busy reading for several years and in fact, most of them are valuable collector items.  The pictures that adorn my walls began years ago which include art works along with my own.  A River Runs Through It, given to me by Redford, tons of inventory and boxes in the upper lofts which we use to ship in to customers all over the world and to my right, my Studio Upright Balwin piano which I tickle, now and then in moments of reverie. A Setter, usually lays at my feet no matter where I sit each day.  Such companionship is one of osmosis, I suppose.  Love unconditional is the best kind of love, which often is more real from animals whose senses are keener than words.  If you want to know that man, I’ve always said, look at his animals.  Are his horse shy from abuse?  Do his dogs cower and does the cat slink away to hide?  Thing is, I marvel that most new people who show up must be warned that they may be licked to death around here. I have serveral com sites that have not been developed yet and I suppose this winter I and David Ion may start doing something about that. Mainly because the bamboo blanks are in great demand and growing. Burning the night oil, late at night, pondering the next decimals on the lathe while listening to Barbara Cook or the Four Freshmen on the Studio Sound System – waxes the hours away.  I’ve always loved working with my hands.  The creation of things that take form for others is a joy for me.  I am good at the things that I do.  A rare gift, I’m told but it makes me smile.  Often, when I work, I have a specific man’s name in mind and although I may not know what they look like, I know the heart. For me, that is what matters. I have a second motorcycle setting by a well used and equiped fly tying center and table.  It has three fly tying vises on it and the finest material money can buy.  The finest refreshments that money can buy is not far away and often, the finest company dwell on life in soft whispers and laughter while pretty things are plucked and stored in fly boxes.  Steelhead season is on and it has been better this year.  The river banks are lined here and there with vehicles, empty of the driver.  One cannot help but look to the river for them. Harmonics has been my bane for three weeks now.  I have hunted this bitch for all this time, trying hard to find the harmony long since lost.  The mill has been eating tips like M & M’s and it tends to piss me off because its been so difficult.  Tonight, finally, the dial indicator needle is setting vibration free for the first time in months, if not nearly a year. I’ve tired of the politics on ROFF and the nonsense of subject matters not dealing with fly fishing.  There is so much to think about regarding the subject and there are so many facets as found on a diamond, yet to be explored.  We used to talk about those a couple years ago all the time.  It used to be as fun as what is enjoyed in the fly tying section.  No darwinian nonsense there.  Just pure fly tying and gentlemen of the first realm. Well, I had to take a break and this computer and hook up is different from the other.  Old friends still write on the side and the letters are warm and caring.  The kind of people that make this world a nice place are often singular minds enjoying and trusting the minutes spent with friends.  Nothing worse in life than bores who only hawk and take inventory of others.  Such a waste of valuable time. I sometimes think of that long line of camels on the horizon in a far away desert.  Mirage like they seem . . . shimmering in the heat of the sun, almost unreal.  If you walk toward them, you notice the camels are in a long, thin line and as you get closer and closer, as in ROFF, you notice they are tied together with singular lines, halter to tail, halter to tail and should you follow with your eye to the front, the lead animal is always a donkey.  ROFFIANS, like the donkey have to figure out why it is always a donkey that leads and if that is good or a bad thing. Right Wayne? — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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Can anyone recommend a fly guide for bonefishing? We have trip planed  for Feb. I know other Bahama areas but Harbour is new to us.  Thanks in advance Harrison Hubard

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Can anyone recommend a fly guide for bonefishing? We have trip planed  for Feb. I know other Bahama areas but Harbour is new to us. Thanks in advance Harrison Hubard

You might try: www.romorabay.com (Harbour) www.dunmorebeach.com (Harbour) www.bahamasvg.com (Eleuthera/Harbour) www.bahamasonline (Same) Also, when you get there, try a place (bar) called Gustaf’s or Gusty’s if it is still there – for land-based fun, not fishing, although…. HTH? R

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Build your first one starting with a blank.  You might look at and research http://www.gink.com/shopcart/products/gehrke_rods_2.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have made a decision. I will attempt to build my own bamboo rod! There I said it, it’s official. Now where do I start? I found one site by Bruce Conner. Very informative and inspiring. Some of the other sites seemed to lean toward substantial investments of tools. Bruce briefly describes home made and common tools that will do the job. For those of you that make your own rods, think back. What do you wish you had known then, what you know now? Where can I be pointed. Realize I have absolutely nothing, no knowledge or tools. Green as they come. Thanks boys, Jamie Here is Bruce’s site. http://kalypso.cybercom.net/~bconner/index.html?57,11

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I have made a decision. I will attempt to build my own bamboo rod! There I said it, it’s official. Now where do I start? I found one site by Bruce Conner. Very informative and inspiring. Some of the other sites seemed to lean toward substantial investments of tools. Bruce briefly describes home made and common tools that will do the job. For those of you that make your own rods, think back. What do you wish you had known then, what you know now? Where can I be pointed. Realize I have absolutely nothing, no knowledge or tools. Green as they come. Thanks boys, Jamie Here is Bruce’s site. http://kalypso.cybercom.net/~bconner/index.html?57,11

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Jamie, Welcome to the addiction that is bamboo.  Like all other things fly fishing, once you’ve got the bug, it’s hard to shake.  I myself have been into this thing for about nine months now and, although I haven’t built a rod yet, have found it to be a rewarding and challenging pastime.  One thing that helps is to have a lot of patience and, at times, persistence. I feel that, like fly fishing or tying, you certainly can make some considerable monetary investments when getting into this hobby.  And there is nothing wrong with those purchases if your budget allows.  But that certainly doesn’t need to be the case if you are working with a limited budget.  There is a wealth of information on the internet and in books on building your own tools and equipment, as well as info about building the rods themselves.  Certainly Bruce’s site is a _great_ starting point.  I think that it was one of the first sites I came across, if not the first. Another site that I have found very helpful is the Rodmakers’ listserve site: http://www.canerod.com/rodmakers/ .  It’s packed with helpful information.  Especially the listserve archives.  If you have any questions on a bamboo rodbuilding topic, check the archive first, it’s probably in there.  You will probably want to join the mailing list as well.  There is a link on the site. I would also recommend checking out some of the many helpful books that are out there.  You don’t even have to buy them, if you can find them in your local library.  A library near me has a copy of Everett Garrison’s book, although I’m starting to realize that this it a stroke of luck.  But you will probably end up buying one anyway: it’s a good thing to have on hand. I have read the Garrison book (_very_ detailed, but tends to be a bit anal), and I own the George Maurer book, which is excellent.  Another very good book that I have read is the one by Wayne Cattanach.  He also has videos to accompany the book, which are fun to watch. You also might want to check around and see if there are any builders near you.  You might be surprised. I think the most helpful advice I can give you as far as equipment goes is this:  if you can afford a set of planing forms, BUY THEM!  Don’t get me wrong, it is possible to build your own.  There is an excellent site by a Thomas Penrose that gives detailed instructions on doing so: http://www.geocities.com/penr0295/forms.htm .  I am building my own forms based on these plans.  But be warned, this is the part that requires a lot of patience and persistence.  Plus it’s not a whole lot of fun.  On the plus side, I have learned some things about metalworking.  But if you can afford it, buy a set.  There are people out there offering them for around $350, which isn’t too bad at all considering the amount of work it takes to build them. Anyway, good luck!  If you have any questions (and I’m sure you will) post them to the Rodmakers’ listserve.  Or drop me an email.  I’d be glad to offer what limited knowledge I can. HTH. Keith – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have made a decision. I will attempt to build my own bamboo rod!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another site that I have found very helpful is the Rodmakers’ listserve site: http://www.canerod.com/rodmakers/ .  It’s packed with helpful information.  Especially the listserve archives.  If you have any questions on a bamboo rodbuilding topic, check the archive first, it’s probably in there.  You will probably want to join the mailing list as well.  There is a link on the site. I think the most helpful advice I can give you as far as equipment goes is this:  if you can afford a set of planing forms, BUY THEM!  Don’t get me wrong, it is possible to build your own.  There is an excellent site by a Thomas Penrose that gives detailed instructions on doing so: http://www.geocities.com/penr0295/forms.htm .  I am building my own forms based on these plans.  But be warned, this is the part that requires a lot of patience and persistence.  Plus it’s not a whole lot of fun.  On the plus side, I have learned some things about metalworking.  But if you can afford it, buy a set.  There are people out there offering them for around $350, which isn’t too bad at all considering the amount of work it takes to build them.

Jamie, Keith gives you some good tips here. These are two excellent resources. The Penrose page is really good on certain aspects of the process.  I think the best thing to get up to speed is to read the ENTIRE archives on the rodmakers site. It took me about a month of going at it off and on but it will give you the history of a lot that is going on with the listserve now and will answer a lot of questions better than in the books (but will not answer all- so get the books). You will be way more knowledgeable at the end of that and will be able to make a lot of informed decisions about how you want to approach it, what to buy and what to make, etc. etc. Also, be sure to print out any part of the archives that strikes you as useful as you go through it and start a notebook. This will help when you remember a great tip but can’t find it with the archives search engine (Frank Stetzer’s page). Good luck. Jon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have made a decision. I will attempt to build my own bamboo rod! There I said it, it’s official. Now where do I start? I found one site by Bruce Conner. Very informative and inspiring. Some of the other sites seemed to lean toward substantial investments of tools. Bruce briefly describes home made and common tools that will do the job. For those of you that make your own rods, think back. What do you wish you had known then, what you know now? Where can I be pointed. Realize I have absolutely nothing, no knowledge or tools. Green as they come. Thanks boys, Jamie Here is Bruce’s site. http://kalypso.cybercom.net/~bconner/index.html?57,11

Jamie, http://www.teleport.com/~gord/canelink.shtml This will get you started. Kiyu

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Any suggestions for places to combine backpacking and fishing in Texas, Okla. or Arkansas?  I never learned to fly-fish, but I’ll fish rivers, streams, lakes or ponds.

Backpacking and fishing rarely really go together in Texas.   On the other hand though, canoe/kayaking and fishing are a pretty decent fit in Texas. If you are dedicated to backpack fishing, Arkansas is probably a better experience. The Texas coastline could be largely backpacked, but I doubt its the type of experience you want. You could backpack in Big Bend and fish the Rio Grande, but the Rio Grande is not exactly the most pristine river in the world…. But grab a canoe or kayak and the possibilities for fishing and camping become nearly limitless. .

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I recently read your request on where to hike fish camp in ok,ar,tx you might try Beavers bend state park in the S.E. coner of OK it has trails that take up to several days to complete the country is very beautiful this time of year it is in the ouichata national forest and is a favorite af my wife and mine the hiking trail goes all the way around the lake and it is a very large lake lots af trees and mountains – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any suggestions for places to combine backpacking and fishing in Texas, Okla. or Arkansas?  I never learned to fly-fish, but I’ll fish rivers, streams, lakes or ponds. Before you buy.

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Any suggestions for places to combine backpacking and fishing in Texas, Okla. or Arkansas?  I never learned to fly-fish, but I’ll fish rivers, streams, lakes or ponds. Before you buy.

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I just stumbled on to a great new stream a half hour from my cabin. I’m not telling where it is, of course. (If anyone wants to visit the Stanley area I’ll show it to you.) This is a nearly perfect mountain meadow creek — nice slow dry-fly water — which is a change of pace from the fast-flowing freestone rivers that dominate the landscape here. It has a lot of wildlife, too, which I like. As I walked to the creek there were three Swainson’s hawks in the air and I spooked a pair of Sandhill Cranes and a deer. The walking is treacherous because of numerous beaver projects. There wasn’t another soul in sight. The problem is that I didn’t catch any fish. I saw plenty, though. They came in two sizes: tiny and humongous. It was a problem keeping the tiny ones from spoiling the float to the humongous ones. There were many trout holding near the bank that must have been four pounds and up, easy. They rejected every offering. I crawled on my belly to the bank to avoid spooking them (which is ridiculously easy to do on this creek — spooking, I mean), and basically went through my fly boxes. I’d like to think they just weren’t feeding because a big thunderstorm was moving in. I just watched them for awhile and they didn’t look like they were feeding. This creek is now my project. It’s difficult sight fishing for large prey. BTW, on the drive home, over the pass, I saw that it had snowed. Snow on August 4! — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

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I just stumbled on to a great new stream a half hour from my cabin. I’m not telling where it is, of course. (If anyone wants to visit the Stanley area I’ll show it to you.) This is a nearly perfect mountain meadow creek — nice slow dry-fly water — which is a change of pace from the fast-flowing freestone rivers that dominate the landscape here. It has a lot of wildlife, too, which I like. As I walked to the creek there were three Swainson’s hawks in the air and I spooked a pair of Sandhill Cranes and a deer. The walking is treacherous because of numerous beaver projects. There wasn’t another soul in sight. The problem is that I didn’t catch any fish. I saw plenty, though.

Today I figured out how to fish this creek. It was great! It fished real well with #8 hoppers during the heat of the afternoon. I walk along the high banks looking for big fish. They seem to hang out together in groups of about 2 to 4 or so, but you also see single fish. If there are small fish around there are never any big fish. There must be a lot of cannibalism going on. (I’ll have to try some streamers next time.) Once I see them they’ve almost certainly seen me and have spooked, no matter how careful I am. In fact, sometimes I deliberately spook them because they’re holding in an undercut bank where I can’t see them. Then I have to wait five minutes or so, well back from the bank. After they’ve rested I creep to the bank about 40 feet upstream from them and present the fly downstream. These fish don’t seem to be all that selective about flies and this place is very lightly fished (I’ve never seen anyone there), but the water is perfectly clear and smooth and 7x tippets are called for. It seemed to be best when there was a bit of a breeze to make ripples on the surface. I got my three best cutthroats of the season today. The largest was maybe 20". Well, OK, 19". Also saw a Peregrine Falcon real close. — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

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I just stumbled on to a great new stream a half hour from my cabin.

(terrific little narrative snipped) I got my three best cutthroats of the season today. The largest was maybe 20". Well, OK, 19". Also saw a Peregrine Falcon real close. — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

    god, wulffie, what a world you live in.  congratulations. wayno

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: : I believe that I’m going to write the bastard single-handedly…with *MY* : slant and post the damned thing twice a week. Yo Tim, maybe my mail bounced when I sent you a reply saying "I’m in". Anyways, the FAQ site still exists at http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF The files are now in HTML format, and there is rough content on many topics. RalphH contributed a few early on, I wrote a couple, and I occassionally save someone’s post when it seems useful. IOW, it’s not dead, yet. : THINK MAN !  We could write a really good FAQ…"The Internet Flyfishing : FAQ"… That *should* be our goal, I agree. I encourage all to browse on over and check it out. *And* contribute. JonCook.

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Fly fishing  books are great to read and I do.  However, you cannot learn to fish or fly fish  on the internet.  Get a teacher, go to a Lefty Kreh school, whatever.  You need hands-on experience.  IMHO Lefty Kreh’s method of teaching fly casting is superior.  Not required, just better.

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Anyways, the FAQ site still exists at http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF

Jon, I just took a tour of what was there and I must commend you most sincerely on your section on insects.  Extremely well done.  If NOTHING else were added, this would be extremely worthwhile.   And while this has been on a bit of a summer sabatical, I think our fall completion goal is in tact.  YOU da man ! The way you have organized the FAQ is magnificent, I can’t wait to see it more complete.  We (you in particular) can be proud of this effort. Well done. Favor: Would you please post (again) instructions on submitting entries/correction/additions for integration again please. Also…if the FAQ is to be in HTML, can (should) we include images.  I have some original photos of some insects that could possibly augment your text. Also, is the FAQ in ‘one-piece’ ? Can you post it now, in response to A.M. Montano III’s request ? Danged it looks good my friend.  Best FAQ on the net…. Besides, ANYTHING that pisses Powlesland off has merit in its own right ! TimW

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However, you cannot learn to fish or fly fish  on the internet.  Get a teacher, go to a Lefty Kreh school, whatever

no – don’t do that – Lefty holds his hand down on the reel acording to Wayne, and we don’t want to start THAT again.

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: : Favor: : : Would you please post (again) instructions on submitting : entries/correction/additions for integration again please. Ok, now that it is in HTML, I’d say that the best ways are to: 1. select the page you want to change, and save it at your site, as    HTML. 2. Edit it, then email it back to me, indicating which page it is.    Try to keep the format the same — nice and simple. If people want to work on images, or pages with images, that would be cool too. You have to send all the files to me. I guess I have the utils here to handle unzip, gzip, tar, uuencode/decode etc. : Also, is the FAQ in ‘one-piece’ ? Can you post it now, in response to A.M. : Montano III’s request ? It is in multiple HTML files. I think it’ll be too big for one, though I will probably merge some later (I’m not a fan of many small pages). I do have the ability to generate a single text version, and I’ll post it now under a different subject heading. : Best FAQ on the net…. Well, it *will* be! JonCook.

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<snip : THINK MAN !  We could write a really good FAQ…"The Internet Flyfishing : FAQ"… That *should* be our goal, I agree. I encourage all to browse on over and check it out. *And* contribute. JonCook.

OK, Jon, So how does one go about contributing?  It looks as though you’re off to a great start and there are a few of us who feel we can help make this thing really fly. Care to post a set of step by steps? Dennis Haftel

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip : THINK MAN !  We could write a really good FAQ…"The Internet Flyfishing : FAQ"… That *should* be our goal, I agree. I encourage all to browse on over and check it out. *And* contribute. JonCook. OK, Jon, So how does one go about contributing?  It looks as though you’re off to a great start and there are a few of us who feel we can help make this thing really fly. Care to post a set of step by steps? Dennis Haftel

OK, so the face isn’t too red!  I just saw your post with the instructions.  I’ll go crawl back to my tying bench now… Slither….sniff….snerch… Dennis Haftel

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Jonathan Cook wrote Anyways, the FAQ site still exists at http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF

I have to admit.  When the idea for the FAQ was first tendered I was pretty skeptical and probably made some disparaging comments for which I now humbly apologize.  Now that you’ve done the work, Jon, the value is obvious. I have some suggestions. 1) if you don’t mind leaving the FAQ in your private website, then it seems there’s no need to publish the FAQ in its entirety to the newsgroup.  I would think a very short "FAQ link message", with a link to your website files, and published often enough as a newsgroup message would be all that is needed to make it obvious to anyone how and where to access the full FAQ. 2) one possible way for people to contribute would be to put HTML articles in their own web pages and then simply publish the link thereto in the appropriate spot in your FAQ.  Of course, many people do not have personal websites, but for those who do, this could save you the work (and website space) you’d incur if you try to incorporate all contributions directly. These links could easily appear as index elements in the index you’ve already established. —                                                       -dnc-

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: Best FAQ on the net…. Well, it *will* be! JonCook.

Sadly, I haven’t got the expierience and the knowledge to contribute, but GO FOR IT. If I could be of any help to you instead, please involve me!!! I think THIS should be supported anyhow !!!! Screaming reels

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The reason I made this suggestion was to lighten the load to be born by the keeper of the website.  You presumably.  I don’t give a whit about proprietary rights.  But if you want to have to touch everything that goes in, fine with me. You might want to consider an interim position where you link to an article so that it becomes immediately available, then import it later when you have time so that it becomes part of the community domain.  Again.  My idea was just to try to save you some time. There’s another idea you might consider also.  Recently I found out that Outdoors Online (www.ool.com) was providing some website hosting for local chapters of the FFF.  I’m not suggesting the FAQ should be allied with FFF, but if you inquire, maybe OO would be willing to host the FAQ website. You’d still be it’s administrator of course, but if you ever wanted to relinquish the responsibility for any reason, the site would be in an established, public location where someone else could easily take over. Again.  Just a suggestion. —                                                       -dnc- : 2) one possible way for people to contribute would be to put HTML articles : in their own web pages and then simply publish the link thereto in the : appropriate spot in your FAQ.

[snipped argument about need for community domain]

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 Of course, you can go down to the flyshop…(hell..what good is the internet  with that thinking ?) and donate proceeds to the owners new drift boat.  The   choice is yours…the information is ours.   —   TimW – Halfordian Golfer

Yeah, terrible idea.  Far better to get anonymous information here from a zillion folks who have never fished a day in their lives. For entertainment value, this group is OK.  For solid information, this forum pretty much fails. If you want good information and active participants, join a listserv. -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html NOTICE: DO NOT ADD MY NAME TO _ANY_ MAILING LISTS.  

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Is there a Flyfishing FAQ?  If so, where can I get a copy? There is no FF FAQ for the same reason there is no baseball FAQ:  there are already 2,000 books on each topic, which means 20 to 200 in your local library.

There is no FAQ, which would singularly and dramatically increase the usability of this group, because we can’t get our collective shit together to write one.   I have lobbied long and hard for it. Jon Cook volunteered an FTP site and organized it as a *group* project.  But, because of incessant whining and negative vibrations, it never happened. I believe that I’m going to write the bastard single-handedly…with *MY* slant and post the damned thing twice a week. (Yes, that is a threat.    8{) ) THINK MAN !  We could write a really good FAQ…"The Internet Flyfishing FAQ"…Publish it….and donate proceeeds to inner city kids fishing programs (or ?). Of course, you can go down to the flyshop…(hell..what good is the internet with that thinking ?) and donate proceeds to the owners new drift boat.  The choice is yours…the information is ours. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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Is there a Flyfishing FAQ?  If so, where can I get a copy? Tony Montano

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Is there a Flyfishing FAQ?  If so, where can I get a copy?

There is no FF FAQ for the same reason there is no baseball FAQ:  there are already 2,000 books on each topic, which means 20 to 200 in your local library. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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If you are interested in joining The Tracy Fly Fishers on this classes please e-mail me .

I am very interested Rich. Let me know when and where… gig

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I’d be interested in finding out more details about your course, as they become available. THis is one of the things I wish my club offered. Plus, $25 is more than reasonable. Roger Backlar Sierra Pacific Fly Fishers

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Hi everyone , this summer as soon as the snow melts and the water levels turn to normal flows in the Sierra’s Mtn’s I plan on having a BUG course. At this point we are planning a class after July 4 , 1998 Due to the high interest in this course we will have at least three classes . If you are interested in joining The Tracy Fly Fishers on this classes please e-mail me . The course will be one day on the water with many staying the next day for fishing the Stanislaus River. The cost of $25 goes into our club general conservation fund. Thanks Rich Lobrovich 1998 President Tracy Fly Fishers

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Anyone out there heard of a good trailing shuck imitation.  In jams, I’ve used panty-hose, and of course z-lon when tying.

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Anyone out there heard of a good trailing shuck imitation.  In jams, I’ve used panty-hose, and of course z-lon when tying.  I want something a little better. Any suggestions? Thanks- J W Kramer @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@   "See Dick fly-fish.    See Dick catch fish.    See Dick kill fish."           DON’T BE A DICK!  PRACTICE AND TEACH CATCH AND RELEASE @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@

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| | Any of you poor schlepps out there stuck with me in the land | of no salmonids? I guess bass will have to work for now:) | I’d love to get to know some fellow fly anglers here. Drop me a line. | | — I was. Now I’m not. Oregon is home. Trout and Steelhead are only a mile and a cast away. My father in Marion, Indiana is flying out for a five day nothin’ but flyfishing vacation with my two brothers and me in July. I have a feeling he won’t be a poor schlepp like you anymore. Sympathetically Yours, E M Sutton Gresham, OR "To fish,…or not to fish? No question about it."        /           *                                                                                                                                                                                O                              #/_                              #  O                              

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Any of you poor schlepps out there stuck with me in the land of no salmonids? I guess bass will have to work for now:) I’d love to get to know some fellow fly anglers here. Drop me a line. — Fishin Buddy  o <<     o  |           These opinions are offered by weight  <     <  o       <J           provocative content may have occurred      <<       <<                    during shipping and handling.

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Any of you poor schlepps out there stuck with me in the land of no salmonids? I guess bass will have to work for now:) I’d love to get to know some fellow fly anglers here. Drop me a line. — Fishin Buddy  o    <<     o  |           These opinions are offered by weight  <     <  o       <J              provocative content may have occurred      <<  <<                    during shipping and handling.

We are out here.  Yes, stuck in the land of no salmonids.  But learning to love bass and bluegill flyfishing.   "I am haunted by waters." -Norman Maclean-

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Sugar Creek up near Crawfordsville always afforded us great fly fishing, especially downstream towards Shades State Park. It’s actually a pretty well known stretch of creek written about in _Nymphs_ by Ernie Scweibert. The small mouth you can sight-cast to. No crowds either.   No salmonids? Have you checked out the south shore of Lake Michigan during spawning runs? Tim Shickley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any of you poor schlepps out there stuck with me in the land of no salmonids? I guess bass will have to work for now:) I’d love to get to know some fellow fly anglers here. Drop me a line. — Fishin Buddy  o       <<     o  |            These opinions are offered by weight  <     <  o       <J            provocative content may have occurred      <<      <<                     during shipping and handling. We are out here.  Yes, stuck in the land of no salmonids.  But learning to love bass and bluegill flyfishing. "I am haunted by waters." -Norman Maclean-

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