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I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.

You might find this useful; http://www.fishing-hunting.com/fishingnews/terrylawton/article3.htm TL MC

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Scott, that’s pretty much the way it works here except this may vary according to the library’s program… The feature here is called ‘ILL’ (Inter Library Loan). My Library’s website does not search the interlibrary loan database. That search (for a particular book) has to be done by the librarian.. There is a cost….50 cents.,…..to read any book out there and man there is a lot! We’re talking collectors items…oops. john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome  which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.Before my illness I lived to fish and flyfished anytime I could.My local Libary carries very few fly fishing titles and most are old. My question is are there any online libaries or sources that loan books? I was buying some used but I have a wife and three kids so have to watch the budget.Are there any good web sights that have alot of info on fly tieing and fishing. Thank you. KCL ”I’m Ready , Im Ready”   ~Spongebob Squarepants~ You didn’t mention your location (big city, small town).  Most libraries I know of have extensive interlibrary loan programs these days, and the service has been way enhanced in recent years by the internet. Find the books you want, via fishing mags, fishing sites, or even Amazon’s search engine (which I go to before trying my university library search if I need an ISBN number), then go to your libraries web site and request the book.  You’ll get an email when it gets in, and your wife or you can pick it up. If you have trouble, call the reference desk at your library and see if they can help.  Librarians can be very creative to meet special needs. Also, call your state conservation office to find out if there are any special opportunities for handicapped fisherman.  Whether you’re ready for it today or need to wait a little more into your recovery, eventually you’ll want to get out and there are ways to facilitate that. Good Luck, Scott

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome  which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.Before my illness I lived to fish and flyfished anytime I could.My local Libary carries very few fly fishing titles and most are old. My question is are there any online libaries or sources that loan books? I was buying some used but I have a wife and three kids so have to watch the budget.Are there any good web sights that have alot of info on fly tieing and fishing. Thank you. KCL ”I’m Ready , Im Ready”   ~Spongebob Squarepants~

You didn’t mention your location (big city, small town).  Most libraries I know of have extensive interlibrary loan programs these days, and the service has been way enhanced in recent years by the internet. Find the books you want, via fishing mags, fishing sites, or even Amazon’s search engine (which I go to before trying my university library search if I need an ISBN number), then go to your libraries web site and request the book.  You’ll get an email when it gets in, and your wife or you can pick it up. If you have trouble, call the reference desk at your library and see if they can help.  Librarians can be very creative to meet special needs. Also, call your state conservation office to find out if there are any special opportunities for handicapped fisherman.  Whether you’re ready for it today or need to wait a little more into your recovery, eventually you’ll want to get out and there are ways to facilitate that. Good Luck, Scott

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 I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.Before my illness I lived to fish and flyfished anytime I could.My local Libary carries very few fly fishing titles and most are old. My question is are there any online libaries or sources that loan books? I was buying some used but I have a wife and three kids so have to watch the budget.Are there any good web sights that have alot of info on fly tieing and fishing. Thank you. KCL ”I’m Ready , Im Ready”   ~Spongebob Squarepants~

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I’d really like to get at least four people together for a Yuba tip on Sunday, but so far the response has been underwhelming. —— Related subject, how much does the out-of-state fishing license cost for three days or whatever.  I am putting together my budget and I just wanted to factor it all in…I hope more sign up for the guided trip on the Yuba, the $100 sounds very reasonable to me… —— Padishar Creel

Out of state license is about $28 for ten days, around $70 for whole season. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (650)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971          

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Oops, that is not the embroidery we will have on the hat, its just a sample hat to see what you guys think.  The embroidery I plan to use will not be shown to anyone until the clave and then to Roff afterwards.  As a sensitive artist, I wanted to debut my artwork where I can obtain the most praise from the drunken art critics on this clave.  It will be original artwork done by me and of course, in dishonor of our own patent holding ginkster, I will copy write and patent this work for all eternity

Perfect! Burn ‘em, but not until you know how many orders you have. I’ll take two. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Here is a picture of the hat I have tentatively chosen.  It has a khaki crown, with a dark green bill.  It is OK, for all of you fashion plates at Roff? http://www.nelsonembroidery.com/product.asp?NUM=HH-002

Looks like the best choice of their offerings…

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PC, Looks fine. I’ll take three please. Danl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is a picture of the hat I have tentatively chosen.  It has a khaki crown, with a dark green bill.  It is OK, for all of you fashion plates at Roff? I really like the dark bill, but I can’t read the writing on the hat. Oops, that is not the embroidery we will have on the hat, its just a sample hat to see what you guys think.  The embroidery I plan to use will not be shown to anyone until the clave and then to Roff afterwards.  As a sensitive artist, I wanted to debut my artwork where I can obtain the most praise from the drunken art critics on this clave.  It will be original artwork done by me and of course, in dishonor of our own patent holding ginkster, I will copy write and patent this work for all eternity Padishar

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PC, put me in for 3 HT – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PC, Looks fine. I’ll take three please. Danl Here is a picture of the hat I have tentatively chosen.  It has a khaki crown, with a dark green bill.  It is OK, for all of you fashion plates at Roff? I really like the dark bill, but I can’t read the writing on the hat. Oops, that is not the embroidery we will have on the hat, its just a sample hat to see what you guys think.  The embroidery I plan to use will not be shown to anyone until the clave and then to Roff afterwards.  As a sensitive artist, I wanted to debut my artwork where I can obtain the most praise from the drunken art critics on this clave.  It will be original artwork done by me and of course, in dishonor of our own patent holding ginkster, I will copy write and patent this work for all eternity Padishar

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Here is a picture of the hat I have tentatively chosen.  It has a khaki crown, with a dark green bill.  It is OK, for all of you fashion plates at Roff? http://www.nelsonembroidery.com/product.asp?NUM=HH-002 — Padishar Creel — Working night and say on a new invention to revolutionize the fly fishing world.

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I’m in on the guided trip to the Yuba.  I hope more get on board, it sounds like a fine trip and obviously the guide is highly qualified.  Nice post from Bill and RW; I am tying away on the Shad flies.  I am going to sew up 3 dozen Shad Fish-Out Clave hats.  Think that will be enough

If we get two more for the Yuba, Creel, we have a deal, but it has to happen pretty fast. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Here is a picture of the hat I have tentatively chosen.  It has a khaki crown, with a dark green bill.  It is OK, for all of you fashion plates at Roff?

I really like the dark bill, but I can’t read the writing on the hat. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Here is a picture of the hat I have tentatively chosen.  It has a khaki crown, with a dark green bill.  It is OK, for all of you fashion plates at Roff? I really like the dark bill, but I can’t read the writing on the hat.

Oops, that is not the embroidery we will have on the hat, its just a sample hat to see what you guys think.  The embroidery I plan to use will not be shown to anyone until the clave and then to Roff afterwards.  As a sensitive artist, I wanted to debut my artwork where I can obtain the most praise from the drunken art critics on this clave.  It will be original artwork done by me and of course, in dishonor of our own patent holding ginkster, I will copy write and patent this work for all eternity Padishar

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I’d really like to get at least four people together for a Yuba tip on Sunday, but so far the response has been underwhelming.

—— Related subject, how much does the out-of-state fishing license cost for three days or whatever.  I am putting together my budget and I just wanted to factor it all in…I hope more sign up for the guided trip on the Yuba, the $100 sounds very reasonable to me… —— Padishar Creel I am taking my 6wt Sage with a floating line, and a full sinking line.  Also do we have a chance to fish the stripped bass — need a little heavier rig I would assume.  Maybe my 8wt Cabelas or if the pictures on Bill’s Kienes site are any indicator maybe my new 10wt…or all of them!

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Hi All, As far as we are concerned, the lower Yuba River is the finest American Shad fishing river on the west coast. It is small, shallow and clear making it a real gem. Fishing it with expert guide Bob Sparre would be the smartest thing to do as the access is very limited. Early June is absolute prime time on all our rivers for Shad. Bob put himself through college by guiding on our local rivers. After graduation he found that he really enjoyed guiding and it was lucrative for him year round so he has been doing it full time for quite a while.

I’d really like to get at least four people together for a Yuba tip on Sunday, but so far the response has been underwhelming. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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As far as we are concerned, the lower Yuba River is the finest American Shad fishing river on the west coast. It is small, shallow and clear making it a real gem.

Thanks for setting all this up, Bill and rw. Quick question for ya, Bill — I’ve heard that with rare exceptions shad don’t make it above Daguerre Dam on the Yuba. Is this true? If so, how come? Are they more reticent than salmon and steelhead to jump a fish ladder? thanks, – sid

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RW, If I can make it to Sack-o-Tomatoes for the clave, I’ll do the Yuba with you, I won’t know for sure until a coupla weeks before the clave, tho. Danl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, As far as we are concerned, the lower Yuba River is the finest American Shad fishing river on the west coast. It is small, shallow and clear making it a real gem. Fishing it with expert guide Bob Sparre would be the smartest thing to do as the access is very limited. Early June is absolute prime time on all our rivers for Shad. Bob put himself through college by guiding on our local rivers. After graduation he found that he really enjoyed guiding and it was lucrative for him year round so he has been doing it full time for quite a while. I’d really like to get at least four people together for a Yuba tip on Sunday, but so far the response has been underwhelming. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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RW, If I can make it to Sack-o-Tomatoes for the clave, I’ll do the Yuba with you, I won’t know for sure until a coupla weeks before the clave, tho.

I’m sure we’d have to book the Yuba trip much sooner than that, Dan’l. Considering the lack of response, I’m not hopeful about setting up a guided boat trip on the Yuba. I figure that on Saturday we can decide if we want to drive up and wade it on our own. Bill says access is a problem because there’s a lot of private land. BTW, I’m thinking of going to the American River sometime before the Fishout, just to see what it’s like. Anyone interested in joining me? I’ll be driving from the Bay Area, and my schedule is very flexible. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I’m sure we’d have to book the Yuba trip much sooner than that, Dan’l. Considering the lack of response, I’m not hopeful about setting up a guided boat trip on the Yuba. I figure that on Saturday we can decide if we want to drive up and wade it on our own. Bill says access is a problem because there’s a lot of private land.

——- I’m in on the guided trip to the Yuba.  I hope more get on board, it sounds like a fine trip and obviously the guide is highly qualified.  Nice post from Bill and RW; I am tying away on the Shad flies.  I am going to sew up 3 dozen Shad Fish-Out Clave hats.  Think that will be enough Padishar Creel "Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft…and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor." –  Wernher von Braun

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location: American River, Sacramento, CA dates: Friday, June 1 to Sunday, June 3 Is anyone else interested a guided trip to the Yuba on Sunday (about 45 minutes from Sacramento)? I talked to a guide named Bob Sparre, recommended by Bill Kiene. Bob says that the way it works is that the boat shuttles you around to wading spots. I think that’s a fun way to fish. Bob has some private-water launch sites that could be interesting. If we can get four or more people it will be $100/person. Bring your own gear and food. BTW, this would also be shad fishing. Also BTW, Bob guides on the American River, too. He said that the past couple of years it’s been a "boat river", which I guess means tough to wade. There’s less snow in CA this year (I came over Donner Summit last weekend), so maybe we’ll be OK. On the other hand, it might be prudent to book boat guides on Saturday, too. Let me know what you think. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hi All, As far as we are concerned, the lower Yuba River is the finest American Shad fishing river on the west coast. It is small, shallow and clear making it a real gem. Fishing it with expert guide Bob Sparre would be the smartest thing to do as the access is very limited. Early June is absolute prime time on all our rivers for Shad. Bob put himself through college by guiding on our local rivers. After graduation he found that he really enjoyed guiding and it was lucrative for him year round so he has been doing it full time for quite a while. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – location: American River, Sacramento, CA dates: Friday, June 1 to Sunday, June 3 Is anyone else interested a guided trip to the Yuba on Sunday (about 45 minutes from Sacramento)? I talked to a guide named Bob Sparre, recommended by Bill Kiene. Bob says that the way it works is that the boat shuttles you around to wading spots. I think that’s a fun way to fish. Bob has some private-water launch sites that could be interesting. If we can get four or more people it will be $100/person. Bring your own gear and food. BTW, this would also be shad fishing. Also BTW, Bob guides on the American River, too. He said that the past couple of years it’s been a "boat river", which I guess means tough to wade. There’s less snow in CA this year (I came over Donner Summit last weekend), so maybe we’ll be OK. On the other hand, it might be prudent to book boat guides on Saturday, too. Let me know what you think. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Dan’l, you really don’t need a wading staff.  Studs are better there. I just go with plain old felts (i don’t have studded wading shoes) and the "linked recovery" wading method.  I’ll have a non folding wading staff for whoever wants to use it. You can get away without one, but if (just two examples) you want to fish the narrow chute along the north bank above the Cable Pool – or for that matter, fish the main stem along the Cable Pool, you’re gonna wish you did have a staff. /daytripper (Won’t leave home sans Folstaff)

Wading there and in most places is dependent on flows. Typically flows are down in the Winter. Willi

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<snipped Danl, Weather right now is in the 40’s. http://www.weather.com/weather/cities/us_nm_navajo_dam.html I don’t think you will need a wading staff, but you might want to consider studs or some boot chains.  The rocks are a little slippery, but the water is really low. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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Dan’l, you really don’t need a wading staff.  Studs are better there.

 …..good advice snipped….. Bruce, Thanks for the heads up on the clothing. Danl

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Blackcat, Thanks for the update and link. You say the water is really low now. Does the flow (release from the dam) fluctuate a lot during the winter? Danl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Weather right now is in the 40’s. http://www.weather.com/weather/cities/us_nm_navajo_dam.html I don’t think you will need a wading staff, but you might want to consider studs or some boot chains.  The rocks are a little slippery, but the water is really low. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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Dan’l, you really don’t need a wading staff.  Studs are better there. I just go with plain old felts (i don’t have studded wading shoes) and the "linked recovery" wading method.  I’ll have a non folding wading staff for whoever wants to use it.

You can get away without one, but if (just two examples) you want to fish the narrow chute along the north bank above the Cable Pool – or for that matter, fish the main stem along the Cable Pool, you’re gonna wish you did have a staff. /daytripper (Won’t leave home sans Folstaff)

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Dan’l, you really don’t need a wading staff.  Studs are better there. I just go with plain old felts (i don’t have studded wading shoes) and the "linked recovery" wading method.  I’ll have a non folding wading staff for whoever wants to use it. As for the temps, it can be from 20 to 60.  It’s usually really cold in the early am and you find yourself peeling layers as the day warms up, like everywhere.  One thing for sure – the water is cold and your feet get cold no matter what.  Getting out of the water for a few minutes does the trick though. If you have a waterproof jacket with a hood, bring it.  I will also have both breathable and neoprene waders.  Fleece pants are needed if you’re wearing something other than neoprene waders. There’s an excellent report from Resolution Guide Service on http://www.ifly4trout.com – updated yesterday.  There’s some chance that the lake will be "turning over" and the water murky.  If that’s the case, there will be less sight fishing, and maybe less dry activity, and more blind casting nymphs.  Pray for clear water. Strong Hooks, bruce h Before you buy.

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In that case, I recommend a cheap and plentiful supply of brandy for the fishing hours.

Can’t! Then what would we do in the non-fishing hours? Danl

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Did you say that a folstaff or equivalent was mandatory or at least highly reccommended for the wading impaired such as myself? BTW, Aaron at Rizzuto’s said we should expect daytime temps in the 30’s, zat right??

In that case, I recommend a cheap and plentiful supply of brandy for the fishing hours. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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   Bob Skinner and I will be leaving early Fri morning, with about 8 hours driving time we should be there by cocktail hour.

Charlie,   I don’t know.  With this group of guys, we may have to leave Denver around 2:00 am in order to get there by cocktail hour:) Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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PS    When I a was much younger person, I stood shoulder to shoulder with a veterinarian who had both arms, up to the elbows, inside a cow helping to deliver her breeched calf. Hot bovine body fluids were splattering both of us from multiple orifices while we stood and knelt in a well used barn on a hot summer day. Until I read the posts of the last weeks, that experience was my baseline on the disgust-o-meter. Now I have a new baseline. The cow and the vet were doing the best they could under the circumstances. The end justified the means. I won’t accept that argument here.

  Damn candy ass!  You had a vet?  Your "disgust-O-meter" is calibrated differently than mine.  How about removal of—–oh, nevermind.  Not on a "familly" newsgroup. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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OK, here’s the straight dirt, in order of importance: (really good time stuff snipped) Whatever I can do to make it easier for any of you, I’ll do.  Just let me know. bruce h

    god, i am envious. wayno

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Whatever I can do to make it easier for any of you, I’ll do.  Just let me know.

You could move New Mexico about two or three travel days closer to North Dakota, so that I would be able to come… Kevin, green with envy

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OK, here’s the straight dirt, in order of importance: 1.  Sierra Nevada Pale Ale and Hornitos or Herrardura Tequila.  Buy in Aztec or Bloomfield or Albuquerque.  I have some tequila.  Of course you can rely on me for the "cheapest liquor" info.

 …other great info and awesome display of preparedness snipped…. Bruce, Thanks for the offer of the room, but I’ve already burned the plastic for a room at Rizzuto’s. I wish I could figure a way to bring a keg of Dortmunder, but another time. Did you say that a folstaff or equivalent was mandatory or at least highly reccommended for the wading impaired such as myself? BTW, Aaron at Rizzuto’s said we should expect daytime temps in the 30’s, zat right?? Danl

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Anyone know what Bruiser drinks, besides pond water of course?  <g Dave LaCourse

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All, Actually, Aztec is closer, and cheaper! Bob in El Paso – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snipped Danl, You can buy beer in Navajo Dam, just not any hard liquor on Sunday. The prices are pretty expensive too.  I would pick up something in Farmington. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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OK, here’s the straight dirt, in order of importance: 1.  Sierra Nevada Pale Ale and Hornitos or Herrardura Tequila.  Buy in Aztec or Bloomfield or Albuquerque.  I have some tequila.  Of course you can rely on me for the "cheapest liquor" info. 2.  Steve, I’m ready.  We can fish another stream on the way up and drive into Navajo Dam late Friday night.  I’m planning on driving back to albuquerque late tuesday after fishing.  We can also wait for dan’l and his rental car but that may prevent fishing friday. 3.  I’ll make sure everyone has directions to the river.  Directions from just about anywhere are on the ifly4trout.com website. 4.  Dan’l, maybe you can jump into Bob’s room for the nights you’re there.  He’s got one booked at rizuto’s – http://www.rizutos.com – and that way we’ll already have arrangements made for you.  Bob, in case you’re wondering, Dan’l was voted world’s nicest person at the western clave. 5.  There are flyshops galore at the river, and Rizuto’s is a flyshop also.  Abe’s is across the road.  Float n Fish, which i’ve designated ROFF’s "official" flyshop because of their friendliness and dry fly prowess, is about 300 yards away from rizutos.  They are also psyched to have this group coming to the river, they’ve heard about you guys : 6.  Keep tabs on http://www.ifly4trout.com – especially the reports from resolution guide service.  All of the "tips of the month" and FAQs are helpful also and reading them in advance will get you to the fish quicker. 7.  I’m involved in a remodel and simultaneous move but i’m still fifty flies into my goal of tying at least 200 flies for everyone’s use.  And they *are* a little slicker than those i tied for the raffle. I am really psyched for this deal.  If we can get warren down here that would just top it off completely, I really think he’d like a few days on such a different river. Whatever I can do to make it easier for any of you, I’ll do.  Just let me know. bruce h Before you buy.

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Danl, I’ll be at Rizutto’s from the afternoon of the 7th thru the morning of the 12th. Bob in El Paso – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Bruiser, et al, What about an update on who, what, when, where, and how much for those of us who have been on the road, are interested in flyfishing, don’t want to wade through the crap that ROFF has apparently been lately and are too lazy to Deja News it to find out. Danl

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Dan’l writes: What about an update on who, what, when, where, and how much for those of us who have been on the road, are interested in flyfishing, don’t want to wade through the crap that ROFF has apparently been lately and are too lazy to Deja News it to find out.

   Bob Skinner and I will be leaving early Fri morning, with about 8 hours driving time we should be there by cocktail hour.

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<snipped Danl, You can buy beer in Navajo Dam, just not any hard liquor on Sunday. The prices are pretty expensive too.  I would pick up something in Farmington. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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If folks want to consider me an asshole

for saying so, that’s fine by me.< Hmmm.  Asshole’s a pretty strong word.   I prefer to think of you as a Frightened Illini.   Or is that Frightning Illini?  Or Illinoi*s*ian?   (Accent on the "s" of course.)  <g

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Chances are, work will shut me down on this one, but God hates a coward so I’m buying airfare as if I was going. Plan on flying into AlbertQQ on Friday and slinking home on Tuesday AM.

I’ll be arriving on Friday morning, at which time Bruiser has pledged (or at least hinted) that he’ll duck out of work, pick me up at the airport, and go fishing. Hope to see you then, Dan’l. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Dan’l writes: What about an update on who, what, when, where, and how much for those of us who have been on the road, are interested in flyfishing, don’t want to wade through the crap that ROFF has apparently been lately and are too lazy to Deja News it to find out.

I’ll be flying into AlbertQ on Sat. afternoon and visiting with friends until Sunday a.m.  I’lll rent a truck or car and drive to Rizuto’s.  I need directions, btw, Bruiser. Hope to be there about noon time on Sunday, so hope you dudes will leave directions on where to meet you on the river.  Looking forward to it.  However, I doubt my eyes will survive tying these #22 and 24 hooks! I fly back to Taxachusetts on Wednesday afternoon. Dave L.

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… PS    When I a was much younger person, I stood shoulder to shoulder with a veterinarian who had both arms, up to the elbows, inside a cow helping to deliver her breeched calf. Hot bovine body fluids were splattering both of us from multiple orifices while we stood and knelt in a well used barn on a hot summer day. Until I read the posts of the last weeks, that experience was my baseline on the disgust-o-meter. Now I have a new baseline. The cow and the vet were doing the best they could under the circumstances. The end justified the means. I won’t accept that argument here.

Paraphrasing Harry Truman who in response to "Give ‘em hell, Harry", said I’ll tell the truth and they’ll think I’m givin’ ‘em hell. A little bit of word play on a Usenet newsgroup can in no way be compared to the ugliness of institutional bigotry and casual racism. If folks want to consider me an asshole for saying so, that’s fine by me. — Ken Fortenberry

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I’ll be arriving on Friday morning, at which time Bruiser has pledged (or at least hinted) that he’ll duck out of work, pick me up at the airport, and go fishing. Hope to see you then, Dan’l.

 Steve, I’m sposta arrive about 2:15PM. I’m gonna rent an infernal combustion engine powered contraption of some sort (SUV). If Bruce can’t make it, you’re welcome to ride up to Navajo Dam with me. How much they charging you to put Simon and Heather in first class with Arlo? Bruce, is Rizzuto’s the place to be? Can I buy beer (not pale yellow belch water) in Navaho Dam or do I need to take care of this in Albertqq? Danl

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Hey Bruiser, et al, What about an update on who, what, when, where, and how much for those of us who have been on the road, are interested in flyfishing, don’t want to wade through the crap that ROFF has apparently been lately and are too lazy to Deja News it to find out. Chances are, work will shut me down on this one, but God hates a coward so I’m buying airfare as if I was going. Plan on flying into AlbertQQ on Friday and slinking home on Tuesday AM. Danl PS    When I a was much younger person, I stood shoulder to shoulder with a veterinarian who had both arms, up to the elbows, inside a cow helping to deliver her breeched calf. Hot bovine body fluids were splattering both of us from multiple orifices while we stood and knelt in a well used barn on a hot summer day. Until I read the posts of the last weeks, that experience was my baseline on the disgust-o-meter. Now I have a new baseline. The cow and the vet were doing the best they could under the circumstances. The end justified the means. I won’t accept that argument here.

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the ROFF Maine Clave will be held there next September.

It’s *this* September, right? (don’t want to show up a year early<g) — Charlie…

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writes: the ROFF Maine Clave will be held there next September. It’s *this* September, right? (don’t want to show up a year early<g) — Charlie…

Sorry, Charlie.  Yes, *this* September. D.      —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free Usenet News via the Web  —–      —–  http://newsone.net/ —  Discussions on every subject. —–    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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: I think this describes what I am looking for to take my 12 year old for a few days : of FF’ing.  We are short-timers to the sport an decent fly tying students as well. : I am looking for a place either in northern NH or western Me. that is out of the : way but close or on some decent trout/salmon water.  Doesn’t have to be fancy (read : pricey) but just the basics to enjoy for a few days.  Please respond either : directly or to the group as others I’m sure have interest in such places.  If you : have a secret spot or two that I can impress my son with, email me privately and : I’ll be sworn to secrecy.  Thanks in advance.  Paul Neither the Libby camps or Bradfords camps are in Western Maine.  Both are in Northern Maine.  Quite a long drive from NH.  Other than that I expect you would enjoy either. — Isaac(Ike) B. Wilder That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

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Has anyone out there fished at Bradford Camps in Maine in the past few years ? If so, how was the experience (fishing, facilities, etc.) Thanks- RTW — Remove "zzz" from address if emailing direct.

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You might reconsider and go to Libby’s.  I think the price is similar.  Go to www.libbycamps.com for more info.  And, no, I am not affiliated with Libby’s, although I do business with them in Maine and Labrador.  Matt and Ellen run a first class camp, with excellent cabins and 1st class food.  They even have remote cabins, strategically located on different ponds and rivers with all the amenities you would need — they are housekeeping — you fix your own meals. They are the ultimate "get away from it all" cabins. Dave LaCourse Hudson, MA

I think this describes what I am looking for to take my 12 year old for a few days of FF’ing.  We are short-timers to the sport an decent fly tying students as well. I am looking for a place either in northern NH or western Me. that is out of the way but close or on some decent trout/salmon water.  Doesn’t have to be fancy (read pricey) but just the basics to enjoy for a few days.  Please respond either directly or to the group as others I’m sure have interest in such places.  If you have a secret spot or two that I can impress my son with, email me privately and I’ll be sworn to secrecy.  Thanks in advance. Paul from Peterborough, NH

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You might reconsider and go to Libby’s.  I think the price is similar.  Go to www.libbycamps.com for more info.  And, no, I am not affiliated with Libby’s, although I do business with them in Maine and Labrador.  Matt and Ellen run a first class camp, with excellent cabins and 1st class food.  They even have remote cabins, strategically located on different ponds and rivers with all the amenities you would need — they are housekeeping — you fix your own meals. They are the ultimate "get away from it all" cabins. Dave LaCourse Hudson, MA

I think this describes what I am looking for to take my 12 year old for a few days of FF’ing.  We are short-timers to the sport an decent fly tying students as well. I am looking for a place either in northern NH or western Me. that is out of the way but close or on some decent trout/salmon water.  Doesn’t have to be fancy (read pricey) but just the basics to enjoy for a few days.  Please respond either directly or to the group as others I’m sure have interest in such places.  If you have a secret spot or two that I can impress my son with, email me privately and I’ll be sworn to secrecy. Thanks in advance. Paul from Peterborough, NH

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RWhite writes: Has anyone out there fished at Bradford Camps in Maine in the past few years ? If so, how was the experience (fishing, facilities, etc.) Thanks- RTW

I have fished the area while staying at Libby Camps.  Matt Libby can fly you into some remote ponds that don’t see many ffers.  I fished a pond with Bob Johnson, one of Libby’s long-time guides, and caught lots of 12 – 16 inch brookies, all on dries.  I know that Bradford Camps is "just around the corner" (so to speak) from Libby’s, but I’m not sure they have fly outs.  You can fish the area without them, but they do make for an easy way to see and fish the Allagash Wilderness.   You might reconsider and go to Libby’s.  I think the price is similar.  Go to www.libbycamps.com for more info.  And, no, I am not affiliated with Libby’s, although I do business with them in Maine and Labrador.  Matt and Ellen run a first class camp, with excellent cabins and 1st class food.  They even have remote cabins, strategically located on different ponds and rivers with all the amenities you would need — they are housekeeping — you fix your own meals. They are the ultimate "get away from it all" cabins. Dave LaCourse Hudson, MA

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Paul writes:

(snip) If you have a secret spot or two that I can impress my son with, email me privately and I’ll be sworn to secrecy. Thanks in advance.

Paul, we’ve spoken before on this.  The Rapid River is a wonderful place for a dad/son team.  The food is wonderful, and the fishing the best.  See www.lakewoodcamps.com for more info.  I will be there the 1st, 2nd, and 4th weeks of June, and the ROFF Maine Clave will be held there next September. Dave LaCourse

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Hi All, You might think about the Trinity River in Nor Cal for steelhead this fall. I start fishing there in October, but November through March can be very steady. Look at Herb and Pat Burton’s web site for a good fly shop and guide servise. www.trinityflyshop.com Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Bill: By the way, I am totally satisfied with Orvis Battenkill 7/8 for my summer steelhead fishing (I use a 10 foot 7 weight rod). It can handle any steelhead under 20 pounds; I have never hooked bigger ones (Well, I might have, then they all broke off). And it is very affordable. Now I need to replace my Lamson LP-7, which I have used with a 15 foot Spey rod. I lost two hot steelhead last spring because the Lamson went free spooling. Do you think Battenkill 10/11 is a good replacement? It needs to hold at least 150 yards of 30 pound backing with a 80 feet 10 weight DT line. Shinji on the Sky – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, You might think about the Trinity River in Nor Cal for steelhead this fall. I start fishing there in October, but November through March can be very steady. Look at Herb and Pat Burton’s web site for a good fly shop and guide servise. www.trinityflyshop.com Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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A friend has a decent two piece bamboo rod but the ferrules are damaged and he wants to replace the ferrules.  Any one have a suggestion on where these can be found?

Hi Steve, I think that Cortland bought out Rodon, rod building components, a while back and I think I got some good nickel silver ferrules from them for about $35 a set. Call me at 800/4000FLY and I’ll check in the catologs for you. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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A friend has a decent two piece bamboo rod but the ferrules are damaged and he wants to replace the ferrules.  Any one have a suggestion on where these can be found?

Collected a couple of years ago…. 1.  in Toronto, famous rod builder Ted Knott 2.  Bruce Conner (Cane Rod FAQ) rx. Bailey Woods- Classic Sporting Enterprises, Box 1909, Fitch Hill Rd., Hyde Park, VT  05655    (802) 888-7859. I have found two sources for ferrules for cane [ bamboo] fods. On is from the Powell Rod company in Chico, Ca. You may reach them at 1-800- 782-7600 inside Ca. Outside Ca. call 1-800-228-0615. They can supply both Hard Chrome ferrules as well as the more expensive nickel silver ferrules. If you are looking to more closely restore the rod to original condition you might try Classic Sporting Enterprises Inc. Roaring Brook Rd. RD#3 Box 3 Barton, Vermont 05822. Their phone # is (802) 525 3623. 4.  I eventually bought odd ferrules directly from Orvis (Peter Brown, fishing manager) — 802 362-3750 or fax 802 362-3525 Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly If you’re looking for chrome-plated brass try Netcraft – (419) 472-8058 – FAX  -9826 They have 10/11 (64’s) pair on up to 24/25 (64’s). If you want nickel-silver ferules, try Dale Clemens – (610) 395-5119 – FAX 398-2580 or  Angler’s Workshop – (360) 225-9445  - FAX 225-8641. Also, take out a second on the house ($30-40 US). You also might try surfing over to URL — http://www.gorp.com/bamboo.htm  and ask for their latest "The Classic Chronicle" newsletter. They have new and used ferrules listed. Pick-up a couple of cane rods while you’re there. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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A friend has a decent two piece bamboo rod but the ferrules are damaged and he wants to replace the ferrules.  Any one have a suggestion on where these can be found? Steve           __                /          Steven Patterson, Ph.D.         / ..|       Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry        (_  |_)      University of Notre Dame       /            _   /  `   |        \/    | _        A Protestant dawg at a Catholic University     /_ || \_        ____)|_) _)  

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First response is : Replace the line if it’s 13 months old.  How much do you fish this line, I try to give my old (12 months) fly lines to beginners to encourage them.  Next, I did the same thing last week, I was fishing False Albacore off of Montauk, LI, NY and layed down a beautiful Cuban on my motor controls so I could tye on a new Clouser.  I looked down to see the Tarpon Taper Intermediate line smoking and melting as it laid up against the cigar.  I picked up the  gar, took a couple of puff, rolled my fingers around the melted area of the fly line and through it at 100 breaking ""albies".  I landed four more fish that afternoon with that line and plan to use it again next week.  I wouldn’t fish that burned line on a Tarpon (BIG TARPON that is) trip but this burn went right down to the core yet still seems to have plenty of strength. That’s my story and I’m stickin to it! Bonefly

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I’ve repaired fly lines on several occasions but never from a burn.  I did cut an almost new fly line in half when I stepped on it with stream cleatl.  To repair the cut line I removed the plastic coating on each end, lapped the ends over each other and sewed them together with needle and thread.  I followed that with a smooth coat of Zap A Gap.

Now That’s a patch! How did the line hold up? Carl carl

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I’ve repaired fly lines on several occasions but never from a burn.  I did cut an almost new fly line in half when I stepped on it with stream cleatl.  To repair the cut line I removed the plastic coating on each end, lapped the ends over each other and sewed them together with needle and thread.  I followed that with a smooth coat of Zap A Gap. Now That’s a patch! How did the line hold up

Hi Carl The line seems to holding up very well.  I made the repairs last year and have used the line hard since then with no problems. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I may have pulled the ultimate bonehead manuveur.  I melted my flyline with a cigar while tying on a fly.  The central core is not exposed, but the plastic is clearly damaged.  The line is 13 months old. My question to this esteemed group (as I am sure someone else has done this before): Will this affect the strength of the line? Should I discard the line? Should I attempt to coat the damaged area with something? Thanks,  Steve Haun

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may have pulled the ultimate bonehead manuveur.  I melted my flyline with a cigar while tying on a fly.  The central core is not exposed, but the plastic is clearly damaged.  The line is 13 months old. My question to this esteemed group (as I am sure someone else has done this before): Will this affect the strength of the line? Should I discard the line? Should I attempt to coat the damaged area with something? Thanks,  Steve Haun

Hi Steve, I’ve repaired fly lines on several occasions but never from a burn.  I did cut an almost new fly line in half when I stepped on it with stream cleatl.  To repair the cut line I removed the plastic coating on each end, lapped the ends over each other and sewed them together with needle and thread.  I followed that with a smooth coat of Zap A Gap. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Yet another reason to stop smoking!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may have pulled the ultimate bonehead manuveur.  I melted my flyline with a cigar while tying on a fly.  The central core is not exposed, but the plastic is clearly damaged.  The line is 13 months old. My question to this esteemed group (as I am sure someone else has done this before): Will this affect the strength of the line? Should I discard the line? Should I attempt to coat the damaged area with something? Thanks,  Steve Haun

Steve, As long as the core is ok, you might try Aquaseal over the melted portion. Spread it thin, wet your finger and smooth it out. It should work fine. Almost have done the same on several occasions. Norm

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Message from another bonehead! You can try and fix the burned area with one of the knot glues, I have used Loon Outdoors Knot Coat with success. Give the line a good yank after drying to make sure. But better still, because you can never be sure how far down the heat has penetrated into the core, cut out the burned section. Then by dipping each end of the fly line into nail polish remover soften the outer coatings, and strip off about 2 inches from each end of the line. Using a rough comb or brush ‘flay’ the ends of the exposed cores. Lay these exposed and flayed ends of the cores over each other and using a fly tying bobbin wrap the cores with several layers of thread. Then coat the whipped join with one of the knot glues. Ensure the knot glue is applied over the ends of the line coating on either end of the join to stop water ‘whicking’ up the central core. Good luck! Conficoius say man who smokes into wind with loose flyline gets his own back. — Tony Bishop Fish with Bish Taupo New Zealand – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may have pulled the ultimate bonehead manuveur.  I melted my flyline with a cigar while tying on a fly.  The central core is not exposed, but the plastic is clearly damaged.  The line is 13 months old. My question to this esteemed group (as I am sure someone else has done this before): Will this affect the strength of the line? Should I discard the line? Should I attempt to coat the damaged area with something? Thanks,  Steve Haun

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We are very pleased to announce the all new, FISHINTERNET AUSTRALIA http://www.fishnet.com.au/ This internet service is dedicated to the Australian recreational fishing scene. Sections cover all aspects of fishing in Australia with excellent information resources, fishing reports from around the country, full directory of all tackle shops, marine dealers, charters, guides, resorts etc. Please let us know what you think of this new service. Regards, David Dryden          Fishinternet Australia          http://www.fishnet.com.au/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are very pleased to announce the all new, FISHINTERNET AUSTRALIA http://www.fishnet.com.au/ This internet service is dedicated to the Australian recreational fishing scene. Sections cover all aspects of fishing in Australia with excellent information resources, fishing reports from around the country, full directory of all tackle shops, marine dealers, charters, guides, resorts etc. Please let us know what you think of this new service. Regards, David Dryden         Fishinternet Australia         http://www.fishnet.com.au/

I checked your page. It looks good. Can you help me with advice on fly-fishing for Barramundi in the Cairns / Port Douglas area, or even further north into Cape York. I’ve heard this is something of a new frontier in salt water fly fishing and that the Barramunid is excellent quarry. I will be in the area for 2 weeks in September. I’d like to know about seasons, flies, techniques, guides, etc. Thanks. Christopher Payne.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are very pleased to announce the all new, FISHINTERNET AUSTRALIA http://www.fishnet.com.au/ This internet service is dedicated to the Australian recreational fishing scene. Sections cover all aspects of fishing in Australia with excellent information resources, fishing reports from around the country, full directory of all tackle shops, marine dealers, charters, guides, resorts etc. Please let us know what you think of this new service. Regards, David Dryden         Fishinternet Australia         http://www.fishnet.com.au/ I checked your page. It looks good. Can you help me with advice on fly-fishing for Barramundi in the Cairns / Port Douglas area, or even further north into Cape York. I’ve heard this is something of a new frontier in salt water fly fishing and that the Barramunid is excellent quarry. I will be in the area for 2 weeks in September. I’d like to know about seasons, flies, techniques, guides, etc. Thanks. Christopher Payne. Can you assure me of the availability of that nectar of the gods known

as Crown Lager Beer, its to die for. CL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I have just moved to England for a two-year stint courtesy of my wife’s job.   Sadly, I have had to leave behind my favorite stretches of "free" water in exchange for a country where I have been told you must "pay as you play." There must be some salvation for me somewhere.  The thought of not flyfishing for trout and/or salmon for two years (unless I take a second mortgage on the house) does not sit well.   Likewise, my supply of tying materials becomes more depleted by the day and unless I find the location of some fly shops (if there are any) I am likely to resort to catching local pigeons and plucking the occasional stray cat.  Help me.   Should there be an angel of mercy out there that can offer any advice in these matters I would be most indebted.  I am residing approximately 30 miles west of London but am willing to travel if it means being able to wet a line without draining my pocketbook. Cheers! Rhett

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly I have just moved to England for a two-year stint courtesy of my wife’s job.

All is not lost, there is plenty of fishing well within most peoples budget, ie

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I’m planning a trip with several friends.  We want to fly into Albuquerque.  We’ve all been to the San Juan/Navajo Dam area several times, but want to go somewhere different.  We’re thinking about staying in going to Southern Colorado (Dolores, Durango, or somewhere near the Rio Grande River).  We are planning a 4-5 day trip and may consider a day of fishing at Navajo if the logistics work out.  We like low budget but comfortable motels.  Anyone have any ideas?  Fishing holes/destinations? Sleeping quarters? Thanks, Brian Sharp

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  I’m planning a trip with several friends.  We want to fly into   Albuquerque.  We’ve all been to the San Juan/Navajo Dam area several   times, but want to go somewhere different.  We’re thinking about staying   in going to Southern Colorado (Dolores, Durango, or somewhere near the Rio   Grande River).  We are planning a 4-5 day trip and may consider a day of   fishing at Navajo if the logistics work out.  We like low budget but   comfortable motels.  Anyone have any ideas?  Fishing holes/destinations?   Sleeping quarters? Also consider the Conejos River and it’s tributaries west of Antonito. Lots of different kinds of water, lots of public

access and lots of good camping spots and lodges. Denver, Colorado        ftp.rmii.com/pub2/gwgodden      

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Brain,  From personal experience I would like to suggest that you stay in Durango.  It makes a great central base to start from.  The Delores is about 1 1/2 hours due west and the San Juan is about 1 hour south.  The Rio Grande might be a problem because it is about 2 – 21/2 hours away due east.   If you looking for cheap lodgings pick up a copy of the  American Automobile Association’s (AAA) tour books for the states of New Mexico and Colorado.  They list just about every motel in the Durango area or the entire state for that matter.  They list prices too.  So you can shop around. If you are looking for a guide try:  Doug Buck at Duranglers in Durango, CO                                                   (303)-385-4081 He is familiar with just about all the waters that you mentioned. Good luck.  Let us know how you did.

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Call Tom Knopek at Duranglers in Durango if you’re looking for a guide. Several great places to fish.  Try the Delores below McPhee Dam north of Cortez Colorado.  Try the San Miguel near Telluride.  Last undammed river in Colo.  If you’ve got the time, Black Canyon of Gunnison river is once in a lifetime! Andy Gordon Phoenix, Arizona Andy Gordon, (602) 224-0999

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