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Very exciting. One of the best. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England. Has it been there long? Originally the Boston Patriots, I believe they were one of the original AFL teams, in the late 60’s.

Sheesh. You and George need a smiley every time? JR

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Sheesh. You and George need a smiley every time?

There was an implied smily on my reply. {;-) George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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And about time all the hype about how bad the Rams were going to beat the snots out of New England. I had faith in New England all along. Now we are singing that Queen song We Are The Champions. Just think if one had put a $1000 wager on New England in Vegas at odds of 75 to 1. I could buy that Hardy reel and Winston rod even if they are overpriced. Handyman Mike Handyman Mike

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Sheesh. You and George need a smiley every time? There was an implied smily on my reply. {;-)

Shoulda seen it. Guess I thought "only since 1960," from someone probably also a Red Sox fan, could have been serious. :) JR

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John, your email addy keeps bouncing back to me. If it’s munged in some way please let me know. Now that I have your attention, this is an FYI that was sent to all the other fly swappers: I’m leaving at oh-dark-thirty tomorrow for Tampa, Florida. This is strictly a business trip so no fishing (dammit) I will be back at the keyboard to answer all questions, complaints (wait a minute, I don’t take complaints) by Sat morning. Should your flies arrive in my absence I will acknowledge that upon my return. If you need my address, let me know now and send me a good email addy for you. Ye Olde Tired Gray Swapmeister

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John Russell, your email addy keeps bouncing back to me. If it’s munged in some way please let me know. Now that I have your attention, this is an FYI that was sent to all the other fly swappers: I’m leaving at oh-dark-thirty tomorrow for Tampa, Florida. This is strictly a business trip so no fishing (dammit) I will be back at the keyboard to answer all questions, complaints (wait a minute, I don’t take complaints) by Sat morning. Should your flies arrive in my absence I will acknowledge that upon my return. If you need my address, let me know now and send me a good email addy for you. Ye Olde Tired Gray Swapmeister

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one for the books, Stan! Had to go to New England and see it in proper style, among good friends. Couldn’t have written a better script, nor a finer tribute to "team sports" Tom

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one for the books, Stan! Had to go to New England and see it in proper style, among good friends. Couldn’t have written a better script, nor a finer tribute to "team sports" Tom

Cheers for NE, but I’ll always think Bellicek is a stiff. I truly believe that Modell hired him to drive the Browns into the ground to quell the uproar when he announced they were leaving. Scott What, me pass on a conspiracy theory?? Never!!

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testing

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’nuff said.

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’nuff said.

Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England. Has it been there long? Congratulations, all you Back Easters. JR

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Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England. Has it been there long?

No, only since 1960. Congratulations, all you Back Easters.

Thank you. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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’nuff said. Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England. Has it been there long?

Originally the Boston Patriots, I believe they were one of the original AFL teams, in the late 60’s. Congratulations, all you Back Easters.

On behalf of the guys that deserve it, thank you. In the last week the local media had the whole New England area cranked to within a few points of a mass aneurism. In truth, just getting to the Superbowl was more than we could have hoped for, but to have this team pull off a stunning three game series of upsets was just amazingly exciting. These guys demonstrably brought all the best to the word "team". A class act, they deserve everything they got. Good for ‘em! /daytripper (Stayin’ up late with ESPN

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I second that. Shawn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Thanks old buddy!! I am sure I will hear something from her now! <grin She has actually suggested an alternative since I last posted… she said maybe he could fly. Because of his health condition and the likelihood that something could happen while on the road in the middle of "no where" she prefer him not be on the road with me for two days. If something, God Forbid, were to happen and we were on the road and as an example… three hours from the nearest hospital capable of treating him, it would be very tragic to say the least. So I have to give that to her. It only makes sense that we not risk it. So… I’m working on the flying for him. Keep the pressure coming… I’ll let you know what she has to say. I have serious doubts that he will be able to make it at this point but I need to talk to Huber and find out what medical facilities are around there. Personally… I think she’s overprotective, but what mother isn’t. <grin Thanks again.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Tell us Vern, is he wearing a one piece or a bikini ???? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve, Do you know… you’re a legend in my kids’ mind for some reason. I just talked to Norma about he and flying up there. She said, "tell me about this tourney" I told her about you and this group, etc. She said… "Is that the guy that Forrest has on his PC’s wallpaper?" Somehow you’ve made the impression old buddy! I guess cause he knows you are the dude hosting the tourney. hehe I just thought you would like to know. I thought it was cute that he’s so taken with his buddy "Steve" that he would put your photo on his desktop wallpaper!! … Vern … What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!" :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real. I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer. I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on. I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah. He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member. If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later. He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet. More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Thanks!!! Now that I know who she is… I wish I didn’t!!! Makes me sick to my ____ing stomach!!! Here I fight everyday for a child’s life and she… I have no words for it.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forget about her… Forgive my stupidity… who is Andrea Yates? Andrea Yates for one. — Consider Him snip | Personally… I think she’s | overprotective, but what mother isn’t. <grin | | Thanks again. |

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Steve, Do you know… you’re a legend in my kids’ mind for some reason. I just talked to Norma about he and flying up there. She said, "tell me about this tourney" I told her about you and this group, etc. She said… "Is that the guy that Forrest has on his PC’s wallpaper?" Somehow you’ve made the impression old buddy! I guess cause he knows you are the dude hosting the tourney. hehe I just thought you would like to know. I thought it was cute that he’s so taken with his buddy "Steve" that he would put your photo on his desktop wallpaper!! … Vern …

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!" :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real. I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer. I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on. I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah. He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member. If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later. He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet. More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Your suggestion to BassPro is a good one… take a duffle bag or something with essentials. My ex-mother-in-law once took a flight… packed all her insulin and Delta (notice it wasn’t Continental!) lost her bags!! We had to find a 24hour pharmacy, call her doctor back home and all that jazz. Made our trip absolutely miserable! Just curious… who do you work for?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin. Generally, you should have no problem with that number of bags. Suggest you take a duffle bag with a change of undies and toothbrush, any medication, or important stuff you don’t want lost, etc. for a carry-on, in case your luggage gets misplaced, or weather and/or maintenance delays keep you stuck someplace. Serious. I WORK for an airline, and I always carry a backpack with the above type stuff in it when I non-rev. travel. Learned the hard way…. B3– Robert E. Longshore

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Hey Charles, Flying is way cool! Jumping out of planes is even cooler!! <grin I grew up around the airlines so I would almost always rather fly than drive anywhere that’s more than three hours from home. Unfortunately it doesn’t always work out that way, but nonetheless I just went over one and a half million air miles this past March. If it won’t get me in trouble I’ll see what I can arrange for your first ticket. Just don’t tell anyone. <grin Here are some baggage guidelines from MY FAVORITE AIRLINE… Continental (you figure out why they are my favorite <grin). I hope you find them helpful. … Vern … CARRY-ON BAGGAGE – ALLOWANCES Baggage that is carried on board must easily fit within the sizing boxes (L x W x H dimensions 22" x 14" x 9" or 56 cm x 36 cm x 23 cm) which are located at Continental’s ticket counters and departure gates. The maximum combined weight of all carry-on baggage is 40 lbs (18 kg). The maximum combined linear measurement (L + W + H) of all carry-on baggage is 45 inches (114 cm). In addition to the maximum carry-on baggage allowance the following articles may be carried on board the aircraft: One briefcase One handbag One small personal computer (notebook style), camera or walkman/disc player Personal aid devices, such as crutches or cane Additional carry-on Baggage restrictions may apply on certain flights. CHECKED BAGGAGE – ALLOWANCES Travel Within the U.S.A., including Alaska and Hawaii Maximum number of 3 checked pieces per ticketed customer that adhere to the following size (measured in linear inches or centimeters, total length + width + height) and weight dimensions: 1st bag not to exceed 70 lbs (31 kg) or 62 linear inches (157 cm) 2nd bag not to exceed 70 lbs (31 kg) or 55 linear inches (140 cm) 3rd bag not to exceed 70 lbs (31 kg) 45 linear inches (114 cm) A BusinessFirst customer may check a fourth piece of baggage not to exceed 70 pounds (31 kilograms) or 45 linear inches (114 cm). Boxes are accepted on a voluntary separation and limited liability basis only. Boxes travel "standby". All oversize or overweight baggage, all boxes and any extra pieces are carried on a space available basis, and may not arrive at customer’s destination for up to five days. Excess baggage is accepted on limited release. CABIN-SEAT BAGGAGE Continental Airlines will allow a customer to purchase a ticket for an item, approved by a Continental agent, which is too fragile or bulky to be handled as checked baggage. The following restrictions apply: Must not exceed 165 lbs (75 kg). Must be packaged or covered in a manner to avoid injury to other customers. Must be secured in a seat adjacent to the owner. Must be properly secured by a seat belt to avoid shifting during flight. Must not restrict access to, or use of, any regular or emergency exit or aisle of the cabin. Must not obscure any customer’s view of "seat belt," "no smoking" or "exit" signage. Must not contain dangerous goods. Must be reserved in advance and applicable charges paid. Please check with a Continental agent for pricing information. EXCESS BAGGAGE All charges are calculated on a one-way basis and are collected at the airport ticket counter. Additional Baggage Checked baggage in excess of the free baggage allowance will be charged as follows: $75 per piece for the first three additional pieces $100 per piece for the fourth, fifth, and sixth additional pieces $175 per piece for the seventh and any additional pieces Overweight Baggage Checked baggage exceeding 70 lbs/32 kgs will be charged at the rate of $75 per piece. These charges are in addition to any charge assessed for additional or oversized baggage. Baggage weighing more than 100 lbs/45 kgs will not be accepted as checked baggage. It may be shipped as air cargo. Please contact Continental Cargo for more details. Oversized Baggage Checked baggage which is larger than Continental’s stated size limits will be charged at the rate of $75 per piece. These charges are in addition to any charge assessed for additional or overweight baggage. Baggage measuring more than 80 in/203 cm (total outside dimensions; length + width + height) will not be accepted as checked baggage. It may be shipped as air cargo. Please contact Continental Cargo for more details. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin.

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All right Gill ! Now you are beginning to make me have second thoughts about flying. I’m not much for the scenic route, and kinda prefer the security of the interstates when I get mis-placed somewhere in Oregon.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( Hello Guys, If I can make it, I won’t go without my boat for sure. I hope there are no Zebra Muscles. 1,800 miles, sleeping in my moutaineer campershell mounted on the back of my 2001 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins Deisel, showers at truckstops, lots of cold sandwitches and plenty of java. I figure around three days of driving would do it. If I can go I’ll have to plan a scenic route for the return trip. My wife already says no to letting the boys go but we can pretty forgetfull when the time comes. "I’m sure they will always remember a trip like that" Gil

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Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-(

Hello Guys, If I can make it, I won’t go without my boat for sure. I hope there are no Zebra Muscles. 1,800 miles, sleeping in my mountaineer campershell mounted on the back of my 2001 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins Deisel, showers at truckstops, lots of cold sandwitches and plenty of java. I figure around three days of driving would do it. If I can go I’ll have to plan a scenic route for the return trip. My wife already says no to letting the boys go but we can pretty forgetfull when the time comes. "I’m sure they will always remember a trip like that" Gil

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I’ll take a rental, as long as they’re not ProCrafts!

Why’s that Warren? Are you worried that after fishing in a ProCraft, you won’t be happy with what you’ve got? Besides, if you draw me in the tourney, you’ll HAVE to…. :) — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-(

Hello Guys, If I can make it, I won’t go without my boat for sure. I hope there are no Zebra Muscles. 1,800 miles, sleeping in my moutaineer campershell mounted on the back of my 2001 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins Deisel, showers at truckstops, lots of cold sandwitches and plenty of java. I figure around three days of driving would do it. If I can go I’ll have to plan a scenic route for the return trip. My wife already says no to letting the boys go but we can pretty forgetfull when the time comes. "I’m sure they will always remember a trip like that" Gil

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Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin.

Generally, you should have no problem with that number of bags. Suggest you take a duffle bag with a change of undies and toothbrush, any medication, or important stuff you don’t want lost, etc. for a carry-on, in case your luggage gets misplaced, or weather and/or maintenance delays keep you stuck someplace. Serious. I WORK for an airline, and I always carry a backpack with the above type stuff in it when I non-rev. travel. Learned the hard way…. B3– Robert E. Longshore

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I’ll take a rental, as long as they’re not ProCrafts! Warren2;-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!" :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real. I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer. I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on. I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah. He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member. If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later. He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet. More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Clap, Clap, Clap !!!! Another extra step taken by you Steve, and I applaud you. This was a great job on your part. Thank you . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!" :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real. I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer. I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on. I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah. He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member. If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later. He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet. More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest?

First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!" :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real. I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer. I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on. I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah. He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member. If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later. He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet. More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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That’s VERY doable I would suspect. Didn’t even think of that possibility

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? Thanks old buddy!! I am sure I will hear something from her now! <grin She has actually suggested an alternative since I last posted… she said maybe he could fly. Because of his health condition and the likelihood that something could happen while on the road in the middle of "no where" she prefer him not be on the road with me for two days. If something, God Forbid, were to happen and we were on the road and as an example… three hours from the nearest hospital capable of treating him, it would be very tragic to say the least. So I have to give that to her. It only makes sense that we not risk it. So… I’m working on the flying for him. Keep the pressure coming… I’ll let you know what she has to say. I have serious doubts that he will be able to make it at this point but I need to talk to Huber and find out what medical facilities are around there. Personally… I think she’s overprotective, but what mother isn’t. <grin Thanks again. I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248 — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Andrea Yates for one. — Consider Him

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Forgive my stupidity… who is Andrea Yates?

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Forget about her…

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What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks old buddy!! I am sure I will hear something from her now! <grin She has actually suggested an alternative since I last posted… she said maybe he could fly. Because of his health condition and the likelihood that something could happen while on the road in the middle of "no where" she prefer him not be on the road with me for two days. If something, God Forbid, were to happen and we were on the road and as an example… three hours from the nearest hospital capable of treating him, it would be very tragic to say the least. So I have to give that to her. It only makes sense that we not risk it. So… I’m working on the flying for him. Keep the pressure coming… I’ll let you know what she has to say. I have serious doubts that he will be able to make it at this point but I need to talk to Huber and find out what medical facilities are around there. Personally… I think she’s overprotective, but what mother isn’t. <grin Thanks again. I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Sure wish that I was closer, Charles, we’d be hittin’ them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sounds good to me! Sorry to hear that Forrest can’t make it, must be school conflicts I’m sure. Are you nearby Wisconsin? After doing the math, I’ve decided that flying there would be cheaper than two days of driving and renting a motel room somewhere in between. Then you can taking in account all of the stops that I’ll be making for food…WOW! Sure, a person has to eat, but being on the road that long without my computer, what else would I be thinking about. hehe… Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin. Guess I’ll have to do come research on this, but all of this work that’s been piled on me this week is slowing my "fun time" planning down a bit. I am going to say the *heck with it* on thursday night, and go try to catch that millioin dollar fish that’s been placed in the Priest!!! Kris, you joining me? You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know.

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Sounds good to me! Sorry to hear that Forrest can’t make it, must be school conflicts I’m sure. Are you nearby Wisconsin? After doing the math, I’ve decided that flying there would be cheaper than two days of driving and renting a motel room somewhere in between. Then you can taking in account all of the stops that I’ll be making for food…WOW! Sure, a person has to eat, but being on the road that long without my computer, what else would I be thinking about. hehe… Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin. Guess I’ll have to do come research on this, but all of this work that’s been piled on me this week is slowing my "fun time" planning down a bit. I am going to say the *heck with it* on thursday night, and go try to catch that millioin dollar fish that’s been placed in the Priest!!! Kris, you joining me?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know.

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Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/

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You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/

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Would appreciate info on traveling to and in Belize. We love Costa Rica, but would like to do something different. Thanks. G&G

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Hi G&G, I know a lot about fishing the coast of Belize from our fly fishing travel service for the last 16 years, but for some of the best info on Belize if you are not into salt water fly fishing, email Margie Perez at the International Airport just out of Belize City. She has a travel agency right at the airport and can tell you everything about Belize and help arrange your trip. She use to work for one of the Belizean airlines and really knows the entire country well. Many companies like ours and the big Orvis Company use Margie for help with their groups going to Belize. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Fishing Travel & Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com 800/4000FLY

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Would appreciate info on traveling to and in Belize. We love Costa Rica, but would like to do something different. Thanks. G&G

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Does anyone know of any good links or resources for current fishing reports on the Klamath? Thx

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FISH FIRST

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Here’s a few links. The first one is updated every Wednesday. The other two are interesting but I’m not sure if there accurate or updated very often. If you want a good book I recommend "Fishing Central Oregon" edited by GeofHill published by Sun Publishing in Bend Oregon. BJC http://www.dfw.state.or.us/ http://www.steelheader.net/home/default.shtml http://www.fishsniffer.com/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know of any good links or resources for current fishing reports on the Klamath? Thx

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So far all the posts are out of date or bait guide ads. To find out what is really happening on the Klamath, Smith Eel and the Trinity, call Mike Kuczynski at the Eureka Fly shop at 800-435-9546 or e-mail him at Mike has 2-3 guide boats on the water daily and has the scoop. I went with him in October but conditions are different now. Lots of bad data put out on these rivers. Read carefully. Tight lines. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know of any good links or resources for current fishing reports on the Klamath? Thx

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The lower 30 miles of river fishes best with a fly in September. You need a jet boat for most of this water. That is from Klamath Glen to Weitchpec. In October the fishing is usually good from Orleans to Happy Camp. This is walk in fishing or drift boating. In these warmer months you can fish a floating line as long as the sun is not on the water you are fishing. After the sun hits the water, most anglers use a sinktip to get down a little. In November the water gets a little colder so most are using sinking lines and weighted flies. They have fishing all winter if it is a mild one. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know of any good links or resources for current fishing reports on the Klamath? Thx

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try westfly.com great site

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Please tell me this is a joke.. Herman No joke. See http://www.neuticles.com/nnpages/navindex.html

rw Geez! Your web browser must lead an interesting life.<G Kiyu

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If perchance you purchase for your dog a pair of neuticles, handle them with care, and always clean at first your cuticles, in order to appreciate the texture, although this some appals, just grab your dog by the scruff of the neck and fondle then his balls, some dogs will not like this much, and may in fact be prone to bite, but others may in fact enjoy themselves, and are not inclined to fight. We are aware of course that some people think we may be crackers, but we are also doing a roaring trade selling plastic moulded knackers, these will fit quite well on nearly any animal, from elephants to mice, and the animals are very proud of them, as they look and feel quite nice. our latest line for avid fly-dressers whose bent towards tradition lies, is a set of artificial testicles for rams, the hair from these, ties lovely flies. With many of these things of course, there may be an occasional hitch, before you fit the artificial testicles, make sure the animal is not a bitch, this tends to cause confusion, and the results of this may be absurd, causing weird behaviour, and "the sad dog syndrome" we have heard, as a service to our customers, we have an animal psychiatrist on call, who can inform with authority on the suitability, of every single ball. Our custom balls fit everything, from antelopes to zebras, and even bulls and hogs, our product is so popular we have extended now our range with plastic dogs, these artificial animals are really excellent value , and will not bark or bite, and they are very cheap to keep, as they do not eat, and also do not shite, they are all machine washable, hygienic and of course devoid of germs, if you would like one of our artificial animals, just call us up for terms. Our range of lifelike products may be the answer to your wildest dreams, you could fish for massive artificial fish, in artificial lakes and streams, go on a safari and see all the artificial things that crawl or creep, without any personal danger, in our special artificial plastic jeep, but the pride of our endeavours, guaranteed to save you strife, the crowning glory of our product range, is our special plastic wife. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My god… Did you read this: Quote: As Natural As Nature Intended The texture and firmness of NEUTICLE NATURALS were crafted based on the firmness and texture of actual animal testicles. End quote.

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These may be similar to the images that keep troubling Timmy. Poor ‘guy’. <g

Yes well, for a guy who eats everything he catches such images would indeed be troubling…or so we hope.

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I have a good supply of polar bear hair for fly tying. Polar Bear hair retails for over $20.00 a sq. in. I have lots and will sell for $3.50 Sq. In. I do have quite a bit but it will go fast. Before you buy.

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Number 1, go to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying. Number 2, put FOR SALE in your title or prepare to get flamed. I have a good supply of polar bear hair for fly tying. Polar Bear hair retails for over $20.00 a sq. in. I have lots and will sell for $3.50 Sq. In. I do have quite a bit but it will go fast. Before you buy.

– Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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I’m looking for hair off a monkey’s balls. Polar bear hair just won’t do. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a good supply of polar bear hair for fly tying. Polar Bear hair retails for over $20.00 a sq. in. I have lots and will sell for $3.50 Sq. In. I do have quite a bit but it will go fast. Before you buy.

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If you want nice white coarse hair, it can be had from the balls of aged men sleeping in the park. Procurement is your problem. :{) "Some mornings I wonder if it was worth it to gnaw through the leather straps." – E. Philips

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Please let me know how many monkey balls and what color SPECIFICALLY you are looking for… alos, please indicate of recent evolutionary cousins of monkeys will do if the exact product is not available.. edwin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for hair off a monkey’s balls. Polar bear hair just won’t do. I have a good supply of polar bear hair for fly tying. Polar Bear hair retails for over $20.00 a sq. in. I have lots and will sell for $3.50 Sq. In. I do have quite a bit but it will go fast. Before you buy.

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Or the synthetic equivalence? Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please let me know how many monkey balls and what color SPECIFICALLY you are looking for… alos, please indicate of recent evolutionary cousins of monkeys will do if the exact product is not available.. edwin I’m looking for hair off a monkey’s balls. Polar bear hair just won’t do. I have a good supply of polar bear hair for fly tying. Polar Bear hair retails for over $20.00 a sq. in. I have lots and will sell for $3.50 Sq. In. I do have quite a bit but it will go fast. Before you buy.

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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You’re not far off, Herman. There’s a product called Neuticles that are synthetic replacement testicles for neutered dogs.

I humbly relinquish any previous claim to "straight line of the week". Joe F.

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Or the synthetic equivalence? Herman Please let me know how many monkey balls and what color SPECIFICALLY you are looking for… alos, please indicate of recent evolutionary cousins of monkeys will do if the exact product is not available.. edwin

You’re not far off, Herman. There’s a product called Neuticles that are synthetic replacement testicles for neutered dogs. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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You’re not far off, Herman. There’s a product called Neuticles that are synthetic replacement testicles for neutered dogs.

"Would you like those wrapped sir?" "No thanks, I’ll lick them here"<g. — Charlie…

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You’re not far off, Herman. There’s a product called Neuticles that are synthetic replacement testicles for neutered dogs.

Oh shit! Those are for DOGS? Joe F.

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Yeah, and would you mind putting your leg down please ? TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re not far off, Herman. There’s a product called Neuticles that are synthetic replacement testicles for neutered dogs. Oh shit! Those are for DOGS? Joe F.

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Please tell me this is a joke.. Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Or the synthetic equivalence? Herman Please let me know how many monkey balls and what color SPECIFICALLY you are looking for… alos, please indicate of recent evolutionary cousins of monkeys will do if the exact product is not available.. edwin You’re not far off, Herman. There’s a product called Neuticles that are synthetic replacement testicles for neutered dogs. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Please tell me this is a joke.. Herman

No joke. See http://www.neuticles.com/nnpages/navindex.html — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Herman, Haven’t you ever seen a dog lick his "Neuticles "? Ernie, Remove SPAM to e-mail

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please tell me this is a joke.. Herman Or the synthetic equivalence? Herman Please let me know how many monkey balls and what color SPECIFICALLY you are looking for… alos, please indicate of recent evolutionary cousins of monkeys will do if the exact product is not available.. edwin You’re not far off, Herman. There’s a product called Neuticles that are synthetic replacement testicles for neutered dogs. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam) — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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But you have to wonder about a company that uses a quote from "The Daily Show" (fake news show on Comedy Central) as the lead on their "What the press is saying" page. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No joke. See http://www.neuticles.com/nnpages/navindex.html

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But you have to wonder about a company that uses a quote from "The Daily Show" (fake news show on Comedy Central) as the lead on their "What the press is saying" page.

I’m not endorsing the product! I think the whole concept is ridiculous. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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rw, I wasn’t implying anything about you. I’m just amazed that the company thinks being lampooned on the Daily Show is ‘good press’. Weirdly funny.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But you have to wonder about a company that uses a quote from "The Daily Show" (fake news show on Comedy Central) as the lead on their "What the press is saying" page. I’m not endorsing the product! I think the whole concept is ridiculous.

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Yes.. They do it merely to show off, imho. Basterds. Herman Herman, Haven’t you ever seen a dog lick his "Neuticles "? Ernie, Remove SPAM to e-mail

Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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My god… Did you read this: Quote: As Natural As Nature Intended The texture and firmness of NEUTICLE NATURALS were crafted based on the firmness and texture of actual animal testicles. End quote. Yeah right.. like anyone would check.. or notice the difference.. Herman, horrified – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please tell me this is a joke.. Herman No joke. See http://www.neuticles.com/nnpages/navindex.html — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Yeah right.. like anyone would check.. or notice the difference.. Herman, horrified

Wonder how they recruit people for their quality control department (and what the interview is like)<g. — Charlie…

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Don’t. Don’t wonder, don’t imagine. I merely pondered and had more than enough trouble to loose the mental image. Herman Yeah right.. like anyone would check.. or notice the difference.. Herman, horrified Wonder how they recruit people for their quality control department (and what the interview is like)<g. — Charlie…

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Don’t. Don’t wonder, don’t imagine. I merely pondered and had more than enough trouble to loose the mental image.

These may be similar to the images that keep troubling Timmy. Poor ‘guy’. <g — Charlie…

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If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story… Last weekend my family and I went camping in Yosemite valley. I will not get into the planning and strategies necessary to camp with seven-month old twins for four nights but suffice to say that I was, by the grace of my dear wife, able to sneak away for a little fishing here and there. If you’ve never been there, well, it really is as pretty as you’ve heard. And much to my amazement, there are fish swimming in the Merced river — right by the spots that millions (well, hundreds of thousands, anyway) of tourists traverse each summer. I have always assumed that any water with that ease of access and that many people around would be fished out. But this isn’t the case here. I suppose that (a) the artificial fly regulations limit the casual baitfishing that often accompanies camping and (b) most people are there to see El Capitan, Half Dome, and the waterfalls. Anyway, as it turns out there were fish swimming in both the Merced and Tenaya Creek. The following is the story of one of those fish. The river is extremely low this time of year — not surprising — and the fishing was challenging. It was like fishing on a mirror, the water was so smooth, clear, and slow-moving. On the third morning I walked downstream until I got to a spot where Katy and I had seen fish the day before. The good news was they were rising. The bad news was I couldn’t figure out what they were rising to as nothing seemed to be coming off the water. I suspect they were taking emergers of some type but never really figured it out. I crawled to the water’s edge and started throwing out the usual suspects — small caddis, morning duns, light cahills, mosquitos, even a royal wulff. Nothing. Fish would rise just behind my fly so I hadn’t scared them — they had just taken a long look at my offering and found it wanting. Ok, that’s not working. I tried fishing a couple of these wet with the same effect. Just for kicks I tied on an ant and cast that under a few branches. Nothing. At this point I was getting a little frustrated — I’d been working this pool for practically two hours, watching fish rise the whole time, and hadn’t been able to elicit so much as a strike. I suppose I should have been happy that I hadn’t scared them yet either but that seemed an awful small victory at the time. I also started to feel that perhaps I should have paid a little bit closer attention in biology. Stupid bugs. I retreated to a rock to sit and think for a minute. Having thrown every likely dry in my box I decided it was time to (as my brother-in-law would say) turn to the dark side. I started to tie on a royal coachman for an indicator and a small prince nymph dropper off the back of the hook. As I was sitting working on my knots I heard a rustling in the brushes across the river. I turned to see what it was and saw a deer and her fawn emerging on the far bank. They seemed unfazed by my presence — I’m sure they have seen plenty of people — and proceeded down to the river to drink. Figuring that they would go elsewhere once they caught a good whiff of me (remember it’s day three folks…), I turned my attention back to the river and cast out the double rig. About halfway through the pool — a drift that seemed like it took five minutes — I heard splashing behind me. The deer were crossing the current and coming my way. I stopped watching my fly and watched them walk by, no more than 20 feet away at the tree line. As an aside, I overheard a lot of people that weekend complaining that the only wildlife they saw were squirrels and scrub jays — they just needed to get out of bed a little early, find a likely spot, and sit quietly for a while. The park isn’t a zoo, folks. Anyway. I decided that seeing the deer was a pretty cool thing and that I should be happy about that too. It was getting late and I needed to be heading back to camp to help out with breakfast. I rationalized that a couple more casts wouldn’t really make me that late, right? I could walk a little faster back to camp. I cast out once again, just in front of an overhanging branch. The coachman slowly drifted under the branch and then, suddenly, gone! Eyes to brain: MSG URGENT you’ve got a strike… I set the hook and started working on getting the fish in. A couple splashes and quick runs later I was unhooking a surprised 12" brown trout. I know that the standard joke is that big fish are big and small fish are "nice" or "pretty" or "jewels" but I never get over the brilliant markings on a brown trout. So colorful. That pretty much made the morning. I cut off the flies, put them back in my box, reeled up my line, and humped it back to camp double-time — just in time for a fresh batch of pancakes off the griddle. My brother-in-law and father-in-law (who had both declined to go with me that morning) did not believe me about my catch, but my wife saw the look in my eye and knew that I had indeed been successful in my hunt. I ended up getting back to this spot later in the afternoon, ready to go at it again, but by then the river was full of kids throwing rocks and splashing around. The moment to fish that spot had passed — we were leaving the next morning. I know that a more accomplished angler may have pulled five or six fish out of that pool in the two-plus hours that I worked it, but that one fish was like a reward, payoff for patience and sticking at it. Thanks for reading, BW Brad Williams father of twins — fly fisher — teller of long stories * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Brad, Nice story.. I believe you! :) Made me want to fish!! -Mark If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story…

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If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story…

Nice story, glad you got a fish. TL MC

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Nice story Brad. The smooth water in the meadows is fun to fish, but the fish are easier to catch if you go upstream to where the white water is. The fish are wild since they quit stocking hatchery trout in the park. Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine? http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2

If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story…

<nice story snipped – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Brad Williams

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Watched the temp go up to 50 degrees today. Out to the back porch and cleaned my fly line, new leader, a couple of casts into the snow in my yard, and smoked an LGC Corona Gorda. Sunday on to the Malad River for some march(spring) fishing!! God, it’s great to see the sun shine and the snow start to melt. And yes it was a good cigar! Doug

well, ol doug, it was just about the same temp here in the old north state, several degrees in latitude to your south; but the feelings were just the same. the phoenix. here we go again, by god. wayne harrison

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Watched the temp go up to 50 degrees today. Out to the back porch and cleaned my fly line, new leader, a couple of casts into the snow in my yard, and smoked an LGC Corona Gorda. Sunday on to the Malad River for some march(spring) fishing!! God, it’s great to see the sun shine and the snow start to melt. And yes it was a good cigar! Doug — Doug & Tammy Stephens Bear Lake Valley, Idaho

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I am going on a business trip to Sacramento and am wondering if there are places nearby where I can slip away for some trout fly fishing?

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I am going on a business trip to Sacramento and am wondering if there are places nearby where I can slip away for some trout fly fishing?

Lots of them, most will require some driving. Call Alan Barnard or Bill Kiene at Kiene’s fly shop in Sacramento. They will treat you right and honest; 1 800 4000 FLY. — Tim Ackerman "everyone lives downstream"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While exploring a new stretch of a local smallmouth river (Flat R., MI, near Greenville), I came upon a real shallow stretch of water. Depths ranged from inches to about two feet. The bass were very small and spooky. The last straw came when a group of wild canoeists (canoers?) paddled through the area I was fishing. They were loud and obviously drunk (it seems to be a local ordinance that a canoe must have at least one six pack of Busch to be considered legal). Discouraged, I strung up and started to walk back to shore and the truck. And damn near stepped on a sucker about 14" long! I froze while he continued to slowly move along the bottom. Then I realized that there were about thirty or forty of them moving together. They didn’t spook because of me but they knew enough to avoid me. Well, I hadn’t caught much in the way of fish so I figured, hell, it’s swimming and has fins so I’ll try for it. I tossed out almost everything I had for about an hour. Dries, streamers, nymphs, attractors, salmon eggs left over from last fall, everything. The only action I got was when I lined one of them and he moved a little faster than usual. Now the question: Exactly what do these fish eat and what flies imitate it? I prefer bass and trout, enjoy panfish and the occassional pike but I’ve never cast for suckers or carp. I’m not an expert flyfisherman but I can generally put it where I want it. What’s needed to catch those fish!? Thanks, Brian "Frustrated but Still up to the Challenge" Austin Brian Austin The desperate never believe the obvious

Brian, I have caught many suckers fishing for trout, almost always on nymphs. Mark Faulkner

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Check the July/August issue of American Angler magazine for some tips on fly fishing for suckers. John Likakis

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While exploring a new stretch of a local smallmouth river (Flat R., MI, near Greenville), I came upon a real shallow stretch of water. Depths ranged from inches to about two feet. The bass were very small and spooky. The last straw came when a group of wild canoeists (canoers?) paddled through the area I was fishing. They were loud and obviously drunk (it seems to be a local ordinance that a canoe must have at least one six pack of Busch to be considered legal). Discouraged, I strung up and started to walk back to shore and the truck. And damn near stepped on a sucker about 14" long! I froze while he continued to slowly move along the bottom. Then I realized that there were about thirty or forty of them moving together. They didn’t spook because of me but they knew enough to avoid me. Well, I hadn’t caught much in the way of fish so I figured, hell, it’s swimming and has fins so I’ll try for it. I tossed out almost everything I had for about an hour. Dries, streamers, nymphs, attractors, salmon eggs left over from last fall, everything. The only action I got was when I lined one of them and he moved a little faster than usual. Now the question: Exactly what do these fish eat and what flies imitate it? I prefer bass and trout, enjoy panfish and the occassional pike but I’ve never cast for suckers or carp. I’m not an expert flyfisherman but I can generally put it where I want it. What’s needed to catch those fish!? Thanks, Brian "Frustrated but Still up to the Challenge" Austin Brian Austin The desperate never believe the obvious

much real help. I have caught suckers a number of times (fair hooked) and on one occasion in the Kakisa River in the NWT, thought I had hooked up with a world record grayling. The fly was a Golden Stone but the kicker is that the water was quite turbid. Because suckers feed off the bottom it is unlikely in clear water with any velocity that you will have much chance. Small nymphs right on the bottom in rather slow moving water will fare better. Carp are another story altogether, they will take a moving fly.

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While exploring a new stretch of a local smallmouth river (Flat R., MI, near Greenville), I came upon a real shallow stretch of water. Depths ranged from inches to about two feet. The bass were very small and spooky. The last straw came when a group of wild canoeists (canoers?) paddled through the area I was fishing. They were loud and obviously drunk (it seems to be a local ordinance that a canoe must have at least one six pack of Busch to be considered legal). Discouraged, I strung up and started to walk back to shore and the truck. And damn near stepped on a sucker about 14" long! I froze while he continued to slowly move along the bottom. Then I realized that there were about thirty or forty of them moving together. They didn’t spook because of me but they knew enough to avoid me. Well, I hadn’t caught much in the way of fish so I figured, hell, it’s swimming and has fins so I’ll try for it. I tossed out almost everything I had for about an hour. Dries, streamers, nymphs, attractors, salmon eggs left over from last fall, everything. The only action I got was when I lined one of them and he moved a little faster than usual. Now the question: Exactly what do these fish eat and what flies imitate it? I prefer bass and trout, enjoy panfish and the occassional pike but I’ve never cast for suckers or carp. I’m not an expert flyfisherman but I can generally put it where I want it. What’s needed to catch those fish!? Thanks, Brian "Frustrated but Still up to the Challenge" Austin Brian Austin The desperate never believe the obvious

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. . . And damn near stepped on a sucker about 14" long! I froze while he continued to slowly move along the bottom. Then I realized that there were about thirty or forty of them moving together. They didn’t spook because of me but they knew enough to avoid me. Well, I hadn’t caught much in the way of fish so I figured, hell, it’s swimming and has fins so I’ll try for it. I tossed out almost everything I had for about an hour. Dries, streamers, nymphs, attractors, salmon eggs left over from last fall, everything. The only action I got was when I lined one of them and he moved a little . . . Exactly what do these fish eat and what flies imitate it? I prefer

Unlike carp, suckers appear to be exclusively bottom feeders. Their underslung mouths do not encourage them to take anything not actually resting on the bottom: and their digestions probably absorb anything from algae to big insects e.g. stoneflies. They seem especially fond of worms, which hints they may scent food. A northern species of sucker called the Northern Redhorse is a beautiful fish (red fins) that runs to 30 inches and could break most fly tippets. Because so unafraid of predators, they can be caught on big nymphs if you can manage a dead drift within one inch of the bottom. Dead drift (no skidding sideways) is ultra difficult on tippets strong enough to land a big one. — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs, | | Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734 |

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… snip stuff preliminary to trying to catch suckers … Now the question: Exactly what do these fish eat and what flies imitate it? I prefer bass and trout, enjoy panfish and the occassional pike but I’ve never cast for suckers or carp. I’m not an expert flyfisherman but I can generally put it where I want it. What’s needed to catch those fish!? Thanks, Brian "Frustrated but Still up to the Challenge" Austin

I am no expert, so have several grains of salt handy, but I believe that suckers determine what is food primarily by the smell of it, whereas bass and trout are sight hunters, determining what is food primarily by what it looks like (I think pike fall into this group as well). Anyway, because a fly smells like a lump of feathers, fur, and steel, I would guess that you would have limited success with them. Maybe if you smear that wet fly real well with extract of rotted fish… FWIW, etc. tq

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While exploring a new stretch of a local smallmouth river (Flat R., MI, near Greenville), I came upon a real shallow stretch of water. Depths ranged from inches to about two feet. The bass were very small and spooky. The last straw came when a group of wild canoeists (canoers?) paddled through the area I was fishing. They were loud and obviously drunk (it seems to be a local ordinance that a canoe must have at least one six pack of Busch to be considered legal). Discouraged, I strung up and started to walk back to shore and the truck. And damn near stepped on a sucker about 14" long! I froze while he continued to slowly move along the bottom. Then I realized that there were about thirty or forty of them moving together. They didn’t spook because of me but they knew enough to avoid me. Well, I hadn’t caught much in the way of fish so I figured, hell, it’s swimming and has fins so I’ll try for it. I tossed out almost everything I had for about an hour. Dries, streamers, nymphs, attractors, salmon eggs left over from last fall, everything. The only action I got was when I lined one of them and he moved a little faster than usual. Now the question: Exactly what do these fish eat and what flies imitate it? I prefer bass and trout, enjoy panfish and the occassional pike but I’ve never cast for suckers or carp. I’m not an expert flyfisherman but I can generally put it where I want it. What’s needed to catch those fish!? Thanks, Brian "Frustrated but Still up to the Challenge" Austin Brian Austin The desperate never believe the obvious

Dear "Frustrated but Still up to the Challenge": When I began fly fishing at the late old age of 24, I apprenticed under the tutelage of a fine old fly fishing gentleman who gave me the real inside skinny on fly fishing and fly selection. The only cast you will ever need is the roll cast and the only fly that will work in such a situation is a #4 Hair Wing Royal Coachman Streamer tied on a Mustad 9575. His reasoning: that the Limerick bend and exaggerated barb of that particular Mustad hook does a superior job of holding the bait. Bait: His enticement of choice was the lowly earth worm, but in your case I would heartlily recommend thin strips of calf’s liver which have aged several weeks or months until dark green (the back of the fridge is perfect for the aging process) and amazingly pungent. Tackle: I recommend a 8-9′, 6 wt., fiberglass, Garcia "Conolon" rod with a "sturdy" action. Line: 6-7 wt. level line. Terminal Tackle: 2-3′ of 0X leader material tied to the line with a double overhand knot. You will need weight to get it to the feeding depth (bottom), so about 1/4 oz. of split shot should do it (remember to use "non-lead" split shot-for the environment you know). Method: Using 6" forceps attach the liver to the aforementioned fly, impaling it twice over the point and barb, douse with a very generous squirt of "Easy Cheez" (my favorite is the "Swiss Flavor"). Simply "Chuck & Duck", quartering upstream, directly into the feeding lane. As the fly approaches the fish, should he not notice the fly (some suckers suffer from "Squirreling Disease" which affects their sight and smell), simply yank the rod 2-3′ upward in the "Field and Stream" position and drive the fly into it’s snout (this is referred to as the "induced take"). Landing the Fish: After a spectacular fight and amazing display of water acrobatics (hauling it in), I implore you to practice "catch and release" fishing, whereby you "release" the fish as far as you can into the woods (ALWAYS be sure to bring "flushable" baby wipes for removing the sucker’s protective slime from your hands and waders after a "catch and release"). This is the option of choice for the true sportsman. Unless of course there happen to be spectators nearby who have emmigrated from country whose vast culinary heritage has bestowed up them a deeper appreciation for such a delicacy. In these cases, I salute their superior senses of taste and smell and it is my practice to reward them with a gift of the fish. Cooking Methods (Once in a while ALL true sportsman will kill a fish to eat): Refer to Schweibert’s "Trout" as many good recipes. adaptable to the tasty sucker, therein can be found. This section of the book alone is makes the purchase of this fine work a justifiable expense. Other great fish cookbooks have been written by LaFontaine and Borger and can be found in better fly shops everywhere. Tight Lines!! Todd L. McCagg "Dry Fly… Schmy Fly!"

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| PS. If anyone can find a source on the AR/"A River" connection, please post. | It might have been a couple of years ago in "Trout" but I don’t keep my old | issues. | | There was a detailed description in, I think, the (London) Sunday Times, | if your library has copies of that paper. | | I got the correct publishing town, wrong paper. Correct reference for a | nice article by David Profumo (presumably the famous David Profumo?) is | the (London) Weekend Telegraph, February 13, 93, Outdoors section, page III. | | Denbigh How do you mean the famous David Profumo? This one is the son of John, the Minister of war who resigned in the great scamndal of 1963, and the author of two novels (the first good the second reportedly very pretentious). He also edited a couple of anthologies of fishing literature, one called "the magic wheel". — Religious Affairs Correspondent | phone +44-71-253-1222 xt 1682 | London, England | I’m not paid to have opinions |

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | etc. I didn’t see the movie, so I can’t claim to be an expert, but the info I had was that AR was, and is, really down on fly fishing and especially barbless C&R. BTW, I didn’t avoid the movie because of this, but rather because I’d hate to see the world’s best book ruined by a Redfordesque movie (cf. "The Natural" and "Milagro Beanfield Wars"). Nope, when I annually read "A River" I won’t have visions, however spectacular, of someone else’s interpretation of the book. Brent PS. If anyone can find a source on the AR/"A River" connection, please post. It might have been a couple of years ago in "Trout" but I don’t keep my old issues.

There was a detailed description in, I think, the (London) Sunday Times, if your library has copies of that paper. I’ll see if I can still find a reference somehow, and post if I do. There is a book on the making of the film, but it isn’t helpful on this. I recommend that you see the film – it reinforced my feelings for the book, and didn’t give any inconsistent interpretations. I read the book again after seeing the film, and still loved the book. Redford really did very well. Denbigh

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Well, somebody killed the big trout one of the guys caught toward the end of the movie. Must’ve come from a meat market. (I’ve only seen the movie three times–with no sound, though–while flying cross country :- ) There’s a far-from-realistic attempt at a jumping trout: this huge trout corpse is projected straight out from beneath the water … no kicking or twisting … dead as a door knocker. Why didn’t they just get one (or a few … might need a backup) from a hatchery/fish farm and do it up right? Either way the fish ends up on someone’s table. —

The story takes place around Missoula and the film shot around Bozeman. The word around Missoula is that an unnamed taxidermist in the Bitteroot Valley made a large rainbow model to be used in the movie. If this is true, than that slab you’re referring to may have been just that; a slab. Maybe someday we’ll all go to Universal studios and this trout in the water next to the Jaws model! David Prager (W)206-487-5837 Motorola (H)206-485-4397 Mobile Data Division 19807 Northcreek Parkway

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | etc. I didn’t see the movie, so I can’t claim to be an expert, but the info I had was that AR was, and is, really down on fly fishing and especially barbless C&R. BTW, I didn’t avoid the movie because of this, but rather because I’d hate to see the world’s best book ruined by a Redfordesque movie (cf. "The Natural" and "Milagro Beanfield Wars"). Nope, when I annually read "A River" I won’t have visions, however spectacular, of someone else’s interpretation of the book. Brent PS. If anyone can find a source on the AR/"A River" connection, please post. It might have been a couple of years ago in "Trout" but I don’t keep my old issues. There was a detailed description in, I think, the (London) Sunday Times, if your library has copies of that paper. I’ll see if I can still find a reference somehow, and post if I do. There is a book on the making of the film, but it isn’t helpful on this. I recommend that you see the film – it reinforced my feelings for the book, and didn’t give any inconsistent interpretations. I read the book again after seeing the film, and still loved the book. Redford really did very well.

Before we start getting too down on Redford I heard that a large portion of the proceeds from the movie went towards a restoration project for a river in Montana. Anyone that has concern for maintaining our trout streams, and backs it up with cash, is OK in my book. — John Fereira

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Some technical things in the movie were done beautifully. Powell made bamboo shaped graphite rods to look like the originals, and even matched all of the rod decorations, windings, etc., and the special lines that would show up on film were spectacular.

I’ve heard about these rods elsewhere and actually asked about them here once before. I’ve seen articles for them in fly fishing magazine so apparently they are for sale to the general public. Has anyone ever tried one? Powell is actually reasonably close to me. If I get a chance, I’m going to try to stop by there manufacturing facility on my next trip to the Tahoe area. I’ve heard nothing but good about the Powell rods. — John Fereira

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The movie is beautiful and no fish are eaten during the film. Redford did do a lot of work I think to keep the animal rights people happy. It is a wonderfully filmed movie, great scenery and alot of fly fishing. Enjoy.

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… Powell made bamboo shaped graphite rods … … apparently they are for sale to the general public …

Shops that carry Powell rods seem to have the bamboo-like versions in stock also. I last touched one at the HomeWaters Fly Shop in Eugene Oregon. The appearance is impressive, but I didn’t bother to cast it outside. Seemed a bit heavy (expected), and certainly slower action than a SAGE III (no surprise). BTW – My brother Tim lucked out while working for the Forest Service in Bozeman last year – he was working at the same site where the fishing scenes were filmed. I forget all the details he mentioned, but I do recall him saying that the actors wore waders underneath their regular clothes. Thomas Gilg

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Before we start getting too down on Redford I heard that a large portion of the proceeds from the movie went towards a restoration project for a river in Montana.

In fact, I think the proceeds were directed toward restoration of the Big Blackfoot River itself, which was the river the Mclean’s considered their "family river" in the story… Fred — Fred L. Templin

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Practice selective harvest, don’t eat the breeders.

How do you define "breeder?" — -Wayne Trzyna

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Redford had the Humane Society with him at all times when filming fishing scenes, and they seem to have made an excessive effort to avoid "harming" any fish. The main fighting scenes were done with a load of rocks in a plastic bottle tied to the end of the line. The jumping fish was mechanical. The "dead fish" in the creel were made of plaster. When they had a fish on the line for a landing, they had leaders through their mouths, so that no hooks were applied. Once landed, they were put into highly aerated tanks for recovery.

Ironic, isn’t it, that they went to all this trouble to protect the few trout involved in the making of a film which has probably encouraged thousands of poeple to take up the sport of fishing. I doubt those thousands are fishing for mechanical fish and or plastic bottles filled with rocks! Of course, the real tradgedy of the film is that thousands of yuppies are buying up land in Montana and building vacation homes. There goes the habitat. There goes the neighborhood. — -Wayne Trzyna

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | "A River Runs Through It" will be available on videocassette nationwide on | Wednesday May 19. | I have heard from friends who saw it in the theatre that you | never see anyone actually eating a fish in the movie and there is | a disclaimer at the end that states fish were not killed in the | making of the film. | I think Robert Redford went a bit overboard being sensitive to | the animal rightists but I’ll rent it anyways. The cinematography | is supposed to be quite beautiful. Well, somebody killed the big trout one of the guys caught toward the end of the movie. Must’ve come from a meat market. (I’ve only seen the movie three times–with no sound, though–while flying cross country :- ) There’s a far-from-realistic attempt at a jumping trout: this huge trout corpse is projected straight out from beneath the water … no kicking or twisting … dead as a door knocker. Why didn’t they just get one (or a few … might need a backup) from a hatchery/fish farm and do it up right? Either way the fish ends up on someone’s table. Mark Myers | phone : 703 758-2725

Redford had the Humane Society with him at all times when filming fishing scenes, and they seem to have made an excessive effort to avoid "harming" any fish. The main fighting scenes were done with a load of rocks in a plastic bottle tied to the end of the line. The jumping fish was mechanical. The "dead fish" in the creel were made of plaster. When they had a fish on the line for a landing, they had leaders through their mouths, so that no hooks were applied. Once landed, they were put into highly aerated tanks for recovery. It is unclear to me whether the humane society were there by demand or at Redford’s request. Some technical things in the movie were done beautifully. Powell made bamboo shaped graphite rods to look like the originals, and even matched all of the rod decorations, windings, etc., and the special lines that would show up on film were spectacular. The filming of some of the casts, particularly the one long roll cast across the Gallatin, certainly deserved the Oscar that was won for cinematography. I’m probably biased by my love for the local rivers and scenery that became such an important part of the film, but I highly recommend it, particularly for those who fly fish or for those who wonder why others fly fish. Meanwhile, the Mother’s Day caddis hatch was better this year on the Yellowstone River than I’ve ever seen. It is intimidating to see a large river with trout rising everywhere. I had one of the best two dry fly fishing evenings that I have ever had (I once caught the peak of the stone- fly hatch on the Gardner). Heavy rains have screwed up our rivers for the last couple of weeks, and the Gallatin is expected to flood tonight. The early runoff means that the rivers should be in good shape for the stonefly hatch this year. Denbigh

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Ironic, isn’t it, that they went to all this trouble to protect the few trout involved in the making of a film which has probably encouraged thousands of poeple to take up the sport of fishing. I doubt those thousands are fishing for mechanical fish and or plastic bottles filled with rocks! Of course, the real tradgedy of the film is that thousands of yuppies are buying up land in Montana and building vacation homes. There goes the habitat. There goes the neighborhood. -Wayne Trzyna

I think Wayne has a good point and I think you only need to look as far back as the 80’s to see the damage done by greed and yuppies. We have seen the damage from overdevelopment and marketing of our natural resources and yet the developers keep on coming to the "new" sites. They will infiltrate your vast meadows and peaceful land because people have nowhere else to go. They are also driven by the fact that you can buy some peaceful property, build on it, save taxes on your vacation home, and sell it for a decent profit in the future. I think this will continue in the future because it is those people who made the money in the 80’s that can afford such moves to the "wilderness." I think there is little optimism for preserving our natural resources when every lake near a major urban area becomes privatized or rotten with stench from powerboaters and water rats. Conservation is not pushed and is not observed by the mainstream, I just thank God that there are some out there who are champions for nature. Without them, we would end up like Brazil. Kevin "lost in Illinois"

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I would have to agree that the movie is one of the better book-to-screen adaptations I have seen. Sure, it’s a bit sloppy on the sentimentality in parts were the book was just poetical, but…well, it’s a pretty good film. I have re-read the book twice since seeing the film with no ill effects. BlackBearBrownBear San Francisco, California Typesetting, Writing, Design, & Computer Graphics

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Actually, his didn’t happen because of the film; in fact, it’s been going on at least 10 or 15 years. And I wouldn’t consider some of those millionaire estates as the vacation spots of a simple yuppy (Whatever the heck a yuppy is). Land prices on the Rt 93 corridor north and south of Missoula are phenomenal compared to those of a huge urban center such as Denver… how do local people afford it?

I can tell you from personal experience that they simply don’t do it. You move away for however long it takes to go back home and start over. an expatriate David Prager (W)206-487-5837 Motorola (H)206-485-4397 Mobile Data Division 19807 Northcreek Parkway

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PS. If anyone can find a source on the AR/"A River" connection, please post. It might have been a couple of years ago in "Trout" but I don’t keep my old issues. There was a detailed description in, I think, the (London) Sunday Times, if your library has copies of that paper.

I got the correct publishing town, wrong paper. Correct reference for a nice article by David Profumo (presumably the famous David Profumo?) is the (London) Weekend Telegraph, February 13, 93, Outdoors section, page III. Denbigh

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…collections of 20 to 40 arce lots, fortified with buck or barbed wire fences, posted, and each with a tinker-toy factory log cabin in the center.

You’ve just seen the future – and it sucks. And does anyone think these people are really concerned with protecting the river and it’s surrounds, or just their petty little chunk? The practice of "fencing out" (vs "fencing in") is rapidly destroying what was once the primary allure of the west- wide open spaces. Even fence haters have been forced to close off their property by litigation paranoia – it’s just too risky from a liability standpoint to let people roam freely over your property. I was asked recently to leave a farm pond I’ve been fishing off an on for over 30 years. The owner was pressured by his insurance carrier into closing it off. We need major reform in the fencing laws. Barbred wire is for keeping cattle in – not for keeping people out.

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Wayne Trzyna writes: Of course, the real tradgedy of the film is that thousands of yuppies are buying up land in Montana and building vacation homes. There goes the habitat. There goes the neighborhood.

Actually, his didn’t happen because of the film; in fact, it’s been going on at least 10 or 15 years. And I wouldn’t consider some of those millionaire estates as the vacation spots of a simple yuppy (Whatever the heck a yuppy is). Land prices on the Rt 93 corridor north and south of Missoula are phenomenal compared to those of a huge urban center such as Denver… how do local people afford it?

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Sorry, I see it differently. I believe that the more people who learn to fly fish only increases the pool of people who will join the battle to protect the waters and land through which they flow. I don’t share your cynicism. Perhaps I’m just an optimist (a naive cynic). As for houses, I don’t automatically think it is a bad idea. Given the pervasive "not in my backyard" mentality, perhaps people will pay attention to what happens to our dwindling frontiers. If people had vacation homes near Yucca Mtn, do you think that there would be proposals for nuclear storage there? I doubt it. I know if I bought a house in Montana (whether it is my primary residence or a vacation home) I sure as hell would pay more attention to planning boards and zoning restrictions that would adversely affect the area near my home. I would work to protect and improve the quality of the area that made it such a beautiful movie to watch. I am not saying that all development is good and all new fishers are going to protect trout quality water but I think your assertions are a tad on the pessimistic side + Steve — Steve Hammond * ^ // * / Scientific Computing Division /* / _][ National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, CO ____

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Of course, the real tradgedy of the film is that thousands of yuppies are buying up land in Montana and building vacation homes. There goes the habitat. There goes the neighborhood.

I returned to the Big Hole region of Montana last year and was horrified at the number of new vacation homes built in the last 4 years. Ditto several other areas in Montana. Trying to reach several creeks I knew of, I ran into various locked gates and "keep out" signs. Many places I went, collections of 20 to 40 arce lots, fortified with buck or barbed wire fences, posted, and each with a tinker-toy factory log cabin in the center. In many cases, negotiating the maze of ownership to reach public land was difficult. To make matters worse, some seek to "improve" their holdings. Though not as bad in Montana, here in Oregon, people aren’t content to have just an immaculate house, but they have to sanitize the surrounding environment, plant lawns that run into the riverside, etc. The McKenzie and North Santiam Rivers are good examples – float by house after house, looking at massive living room windows, often catching the glare of landowners who feel like you’re invading their world. Thomas Gilg

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"A River Runs Through It" will be available on videocassette nationwide on Wednesday May 19. A representative from Blockbuster Video said that it will be available for rental or purchase when the outlets open for business on Wednesday May 19. The purchase price will start at somewhere close to $100.00. They explained that after 4 to 6 months, the retail purchase price will drop to a standard $29.95 or less. Frank

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "A River Runs Through It" will be available on videocassette nationwide on Wednesday May 19. I have heard from friends who saw it in the theatre that you never see anyone actually eating a fish in the movie and there is a disclaimer at the end that states fish were not killed in the making of the film. I think Robert Redford went a bit overboard being sensitive to the animal rightists but I’ll rent it anyways. The cinematography is supposed to be quite beautiful. — / Academic Computing Services / VOICE: (403)220-7937 / University of Calgary / MESSAGE: (403)220-6201 / Calgary, Alberta CANADA T2N 1N4 / FAX: (403)282-9199

It is likely that the sensitivity was not to animal rights types but to fly fisherfolk, many of whom practice C&R, not in deference to animal rights but to resource conservation. Practice selective harvest, don’t eat the breeders. Remember: Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death. It is much more important than that! Bryan Call (719)590-5772 |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone. Hewlett-Packard Co. | But then, I’ve never let that stop me before. P.O. BOX 2197 | Many men go fishing all their lives without Colorado Springs, Co 80901| knowing that it is not fish they are after.

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| | "A River Runs Through It" will be available on videocassette nationwide on | Wednesday May 19. | | I have heard from friends who saw it in the theatre that you | never see anyone actually eating a fish in the movie and there is | a disclaimer at the end that states fish were not killed in the | making of the film. | | I think Robert Redford went a bit overboard being sensitive to | the animal rightists but I’ll rent it anyways. The cinematography | is supposed to be quite beautiful. | | — | / Academic Computing Services / VOICE: (403)220-7937 | / University of Calgary / MESSAGE: (403)220-6201 | / Calgary, Alberta CANADA T2N 1N4 / FAX: (403)282-9199 Well, somebody killed the big trout one of the guys caught toward the end of the movie. Must’ve come from a meat market. (I’ve only seen the movie three times–with no sound, though–while flying cross country :- ) There’s a far-from-realistic attempt at a jumping trout: this huge trout corpse is projected straight out from beneath the water … no kicking or twisting … dead as a door knocker. Why didn’t they just get one (or a few … might need a backup) from a hatchery/fish farm and do it up right? Either way the fish ends up on someone’s table. — Mark Myers | phone : 703 758-2725 Visix Software Inc. | fax : 703 758 0233 Reston, VA 22091 |

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Well, somebody killed the big trout one of the guys caught toward

the end of the movie. Must’ve come from a meat market. (I’ve only seen the movie three times–with no sound, though–while flying cross country :- ) There’s a

far-from-realistic attempt at a jumping trout: this huge trout corpse is projected straight

out from beneath the water … no kicking or twisting … dead as a door knocker. Why

didn’t they just get one (or a few … might need a backup) from a hatchery/fish farm and do

it up right? Either way the fish ends up on someone’s table.

Someone might correct me on this, but I think I heard/read that they used a mechanical trout for the shots where they wanted a moving fish. They must have done a good job if they could deceive us fishermen?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | "A River Runs Through It" will be available on videocassette nationwide on | Wednesday May 19. | | I have heard from friends who saw it in the theatre that you | never see anyone actually eating a fish in the movie and there is | a disclaimer at the end that states fish were not killed in the | making of the film. | | I think Robert Redford went a bit overboard being sensitive to | the animal rightists but I’ll rent it anyways. The cinematography | is supposed to be quite beautiful. | Well, somebody killed the big trout one of the guys caught toward the end of the movie. Must’ve come from a meat market. (I’ve only seen the movie three times–with no sound, though–while flying cross country :- ) There’s a far-from-realistic attempt at a jumping trout: this huge trout corpse is projected straight out from beneath the water … no kicking or twisting … dead as a door knocker. Why didn’t they just get one (or a few … might need a backup) from a hatchery/fish farm and do it up right? Either way the fish ends up on someone’s table. —

Mark, I’m pretty sure that if this trout didn’t look alive, it was because it never was. There was some discussion of the making of this movie in a TU publication I believe. The AR folks (of which Redfield may be one) didn’t want any live fish in the movie, so there they made a mechanical one ala "Jaws" and faked it. I didn’t see the movie, so I can’t claim to be an expert, but the info I had was that AR was, and is, really down on fly fishing and especially barbless C&R. BTW, I didn’t avoid the movie because of this, but rather because I’d hate to see the world’s best book ruined by a Redfordesque movie (cf. "The Natural" and "Milagro Beanfield Wars"). Nope, when I annually read "A River" I won’t have visions, however spectacular, of someone else’s interpretation of the book. Brent PS. If anyone can find a source on the AR/"A River" connection, please post. It might have been a couple of years ago in "Trout" but I don’t keep my old issues. — Brent J. Danielson Iowa State University Ames, IA 50011-3221 515-294-5248

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