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Depends on where you live … I suggest Hebeisen in Downtown Switzerland – i. e. Zurich – or Bernhard in Wichtrach. Toni Linder

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Hi, As a beginner, I’d like to join a fly fishing class this spring in Switzerland. Does anybody know where to go best? Thanks Roger

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http://fff-e.tripod.com/addresses.htm This will give you all the FFF instructors in Switzerland. TL MC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, As a beginner, I’d like to join a fly fishing class this spring in Switzerland. Does anybody know where to go best? Thanks Roger

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Thanks Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://fff-e.tripod.com/addresses.htm This will give you all the FFF instructors in Switzerland. TL MC Hi, As a beginner, I’d like to join a fly fishing class this spring in Switzerland. Does anybody know where to go best? Thanks Roger

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There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!

+ I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

    hmmm, well i never really thought of the terms as gender specific.  but you’re right, i can’t think of any either. mouse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!

    um.   this one does mouse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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in the uk there’s quite a common gesture that people do (often leaning out of a car window) as an alternative to giving the finger. you form a circle with your thumb and index finger and then shake it up and down, usually while shouting, "WAAANKAAHHH!!!". i wonder, if it’s a woman in a car who cuts you up, whether you should just shake your hand in a rubbing motion instead? pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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Sure we don’t, yeah right, I believe that.  :-) One slang term I have heard for it, (even though we don’t do that), is diddle. Not telling, Cindy Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Nope… seems to be pretty much the word "masturbation"..although i have heard the term "lube job" before ~Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

"Giving it laldy" is one I know…. Brian. /~~ The Depressed Nudist ~~

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yup.. same here  :) ~Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!     um.   this one does mouse + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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oh. oops. I must have missed the memo. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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yeah that was my reaction when I first heard it… *winks* LOL Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – lol !!! judith Nope… seems to be pretty much the word "masturbation"..although i have heard the term "lube job" before ~Crys* I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often… p/e Synonyms for Masturbation For women: Applying lip gloss Basting the tuna Brushing the beaver Burying the knuckle Butterin’ the muffin Checking my oil Checking the foxhole Checking the status of the I/O port Circling the knoll Cleaning my fur coat Cleaning your fingers Creamin’ the pie Digging for my keys Digitating Doing my nails Doing something for my chapped lips Doing the Two Finger Slot Rumba Drinking from the fountain of youth (for us contortionists) Drooling Dusting the endtable Entering the ring of fire Fare un ditolino (Italian: to do a little finger) Finger blasting Finger fuck Finger pie Flicking the bean Flossing the cat Frigging Getting a stain out of my carpet Going Mining Gusset typing Hula-hooping Itching the ditch JocelynEldering Killing off Licking my lips (for us contortionists) Looking for Waldo & his dog (gee, spot, there you are!) Makin’ waves for the man-in-the-boat Making soup Nulling the void Paddling the pink canoe Parting the red sea Petting Snoopy Playing solitare Playing The Silent Trombone Playing the beaver Pokin’ the pucker Polishing the wedding ring Preheating the oven Producing whore moans (hormones, get it? ;^) Pussy poking Riding the waterslide Rolling the dough Rubbin’ the nubbin Scratching the patch Secret vice Shooting hoops Shooting the rapids Slapping the Mackerel Snatching Soaking in Palmolive Spelunking Stiffening my upper lip Stirring it up Stoking the furnace Strumming the banjo Surfin’ the channel Taking a dip The two fingered tango Tickling the taco Toggling the bit Unclogging the drain Visiting Niagra Falls Visiting your safety deposit box Whipping your nest Working in the garden for Men: A big date with Rosy Palms Adjusting your set Applying the hand brake Attacking the one-eyed purple-headed warrior Auditioning the finger puppets Auditioning your hand puppet Backstroke roulette Bashing the Bishop Bashing the candle Beating off Beating the balogna Beating the bed flute Beating the Bishop Beating the dummy Beating the old man Beating the pud Beating the stick Beating your meat Beef-stroke-it-off Being a virtuoso of the skin flute Being your own best friend Biffing off Bleed the weed Blowing the load Blowing your own horn Bludgeoning the beefsteak Bobbing your boloney Bopping Richard Bopping the bishop Bopping the bolgney Bopping the Bonzo Boxing the bald champ Boxing the clown Boxing the jesuit and getting cockroaches Boxing with Richard Buffin’ the bishop Buffing the banana Buffing the rifle Buggering your hand Burping the baby Burping the worm Buttering the corn Caning the vandal Capturing the bishop Charming the snake Checking for testicular cancer Cheesing off Choking Kojak Choking the bald guy until he pukes Choking the chicken Choking the sheriff and waiting for the posse to come Churning your butter Clamping the pipe Cleaning your rifle Clearing the snorkel Climbin the tree Climbing Mount Baldy Clobbering the Kleenex Closet Frisbee Clubbing the clam Coating Prince William Sound with love oil Coming into your own Coming to grips with yourself Cooking the cream of cock Corralling the tadpoles Couch hockey for one Cranking the love pump Cranking the monkey Cranking the shank Crimping the wire Crowning the king Cuddlin’ the Kielbasa Cuffing the carrot Dancing with Johnnie One-Eye Dating Miss Michigan (think geography) Dating Rosie Palm and her five sisters Decongesting the weasel Defrosting the fridge Diddling Digging for change Digitally oscillating one’s penis Doin’ The Solitary Rhumba Doing a hand job Doing battle with the Purple Helmeted Warrior of Love Doing handiwork Doing It Your Way Doing the five-knuckle shuffle Doing the human version of AUTOEXEC.BAT Doing the janitor thing Doing the knuckle shuffle on the ol’ piss pump Doing the pork sword jiggle Doing the White Knuckler Doing your own thing Downing at the club (for members only) Draining the monster Draining the poisons from the building Driving the skin bus Dry humping the ottoman Dundering the devil-dolphin Electing the president Engaging in safe sex Escorting the one-eyed postal worker out of its denim cell Faxing Jimmy Dean Faxing the Pope Feeding the ducks Firing the flesh musket Firing the Surgeon General Fishing for zipper trout Fist fucking Fisting your mister Five-finger solo Five-knuckle-shuffle on the old piss pump Five on one Flick on over the thumb Flapping Takkie (South African) Flaying the Emperor Flicking the bic Flipping the Bishop Flogging the bishop Flogging the dog Flogging the dolphin Flogging the dong Flogging the frog Flogging the hog Flogging the log Flogging the mule Flogging the salami Flogging your dumber brother Flute solo Fly fishing Fondling the fig Freeing Willy Friggit Frosting the pastries Galloping the antelope Galloping the old lizard Genitalic stimulation via phallengetic motion Getting a date with Slick Mittens Getting a grip on things Getting a stiffy Getting chafed Getting off Getting the German soldier marching Getting the glue stick Getting to know yourself Getting your palm read by Mister Softee Getting your palm red Getting your pole varnished Giving it a tug Giving yourself a low five Glazing the donut Gluing the lady’s eye’s shut Going a couple of rounds with ol’ josh Going blind Going on a date with Handrea and Palmela Going on a date with Rosey Palm and the five daughters Going on Peewee’s little adventure Going the blow Grappling the gorilla Greasing the pipe Gripping the pencil Hacking the hog Han Solo Hand job Hand Shandy Handy work Hanging the old man Hard labor Having a ball Having a conversation with the one-eyed trouser snake Having a date with Fisty Palmer Having a date with Rosie Palm and her five sisters Having a ham shank Having a J. Arthur (British special, after J. Arthur Rank, it’s rhyming slang) Having a one-night-stand with yourself Having a Sherman (British) Having a tug Having a tug-of-war with the cyclops Having an arm-wrestle with your one-eyed vessel Having dinner Having it off Having sex with someone you love Hitchhiking to heaven Hitchhiking underneath the big top Holding my own Holding the sausage hostage Honing the cone Hugging the hog Humping the hose Ironing some wrinkles Jack hammering Jacking off Jazzing yourself Jerkin’ the gherkin Jerking Jamby Jerking off Jerking the turkey Jerking yanking daisy-chaining Jizzlobbing Juggling the coullions Just jerkin’ it Kicking seamen Kicking your roommate out for five to ten minutes to "call your parents" Killing it Kneading my knockwurst. Knuckle shuffle on the ol’ piss pump Knuckling the bone La veuve poignet (French) Launching the hand shuttle Looking for ticks Loping the mule Loves labors lost Loving the muppet Lubing the Tube Making a foreskin cone Making friends with Big Ed Making instant pudding Making the bald man puke Making the scene with the magazine Making vanilla jism shakes Making yourself at home Mangling the midget Manipulating the mango Manning the cockpit Manual labor Manual override Master bacon Meeting Mary Palm and her five sisters Meeting Rosie Hancock Meeting with Mother Thumb and her four daughters Milking one’s self Milking the bull Milking the cow Milking the lizard Milking the moose Milking the weasel Minding my own business Molesting the mole Mounting a corporal and four Much goo about nothing My sex life! Nerking your throbber Oiling the glove Onan’s Olympics Onanism One gun salute One man show One off the wrist Packing your palm Paddling the pickle Painting the ceiling Painting the pickle Painting the walls Palming the calm Peelin’ some chiles Peeling the banana Peeling the carrot Performing a self-test Performing diagnostics on your ManTool Perling the oyster Petting the lizard Phoning the czar Pipping the pumpkin Playing a little five-on-one Playing a one-stringed guitar Playing in a one-man show Playing Peek-A-Boo With Mr. Johnson Playing peekaboo Playing pocket pinball Playing pocket pool Playing tag with the pink torpedo Playing the flesh flute Playing the one-stringed melody Playing the skin flute Playing tug-o-war with the cyclops Playing Uno Playing with the spitting llama Playing with your turtle (for uncircumcised guys?) Pleasing your pisser Plunking your twanger Pocket pinball Pocket pool Pole vaulting Polishing Percy in your palm Polishing the beak Polishing the family jewels Polishing the helmet Polishing the rocket Polishing the sword Popping a nut Popping the cork Pounding off Pounding the bald-headed moose Pounding the pud Pounding your flounder Preparing the carrot Priming the pump Pud wrestling Pulling off Pulling rank Pulling the bologna pony Pulling the carrot Pulling the Colonel Sanders Heimleich Manuever

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

I heard "jilling off", but that can’t be right, right?  Because women don’t do that…  ;-) Before you buy.

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I prefer the term "self-love!" Jane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often… That has never occured to me.  I can’t think of a single slang term for it.  Strange. Perhaps it is a cultural thing.  Western world women aren’t supposed to enjoy themselves. Okay, let’s invent some. 1: Massaging the muffin. 2: Tickling the taco. 3: Petting the beaver. Come to think of it, the problem may be the lack of "nice" slang words for the female anatomy.

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Gosh I hope you’re kidding!!!  Research shows that women who masturbate are much more sexually satisfied when they have sex with a partner.  They are more orgasmic and speak up for their wants and needs more. Jane, who’s very sexually satisfied….hehehe. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

A couple more I’ve heard are: Jilling off Gettin’ a BUZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (equipment dependent) Parting the Red Sea

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the only thing i can think of even tho its not slang for it is mind numbingly beutifull – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure we don’t, yeah right, I believe that.  :-) One slang term I have heard for it, (even though we don’t do that), is diddle. Not telling, Cindy Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

Come ON people, SEARCH ENGINES!!!!  Here ya go, the first thing that came up when I asked Google for "euphemisms for female masturbation".  Enjoy! http://www2.hawaii.edu/~namara/jokes/master2.htm Johanna

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Geeeeez….  Now look what you ladies did to me.  I’ve got these images in my head now… Note to self: pick up baby oil on the way home.

    spit is cheaper mouse

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yup.. same here  :) ~Crys* There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!     um.   this one does mouse

A real hotbed of activity… How does anyone ever get anything done in the world.

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Hi Eye… I also recall hearing of a study that found women to be far more likely than men to masturbate while driving.  Actually it makes sense because it is much easier for women to do so (no need to pull anything out).

Searching for alt.binaries.female-masturbation.car send photo’s if you have them!

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I’ll have to comment on this after emergency surgery… my gut is How about ‘diddling’? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

Cindy Lou, Somewhere down the road, I heard someone say that since guys Jack- off, then women must Jill-off….. Made sense, logically….but when it comes to sex, logic rarely applies…..:D Frank

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Wonder if there would be a level of interest in a news feed with pictures concerning RV’ing and camping. I would imagine that The users of this newsfeed have some photos they would like to "show off".

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Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums…. However, unless they’re extremely snot-nosed & dirty, pets are 100 times more fun to look at than pictures of children & grandkids – if you know what I mean – And I think you do! Highways are happy ways, so let’s see some pix!                                                         Don

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Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums….

Uh, no, please don’t post them here. Binaries (photos, music, etc.) are not allowed on most newsgroups, including this one. Here are two appropriate methods of sharing pictures with folks on a newsgroup: 1. Post them on a web page and then give the URL for anyone who is interested. 2. Indicate that you have them and that anyone who wants to see them should request them from you by private e-mail (not a newsgroup post, please).  You can then send them copies by e-mail. Distributing them this way keeps the rest of the newsgroup from having to download them. (Many newsreader programs don’t translate binary files anyway, so all most folks see is many lines of garbage.) Thanks. GB in NC

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Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums…. However, unless they’re extremely snot-nosed & dirty, pets are 100 times more fun to look at than pictures of children & grandkids – if you know what I mean – And I think you do! Highways are happy ways, so let’s see some pix!                                                        Don

WHOA,NELLY, git offa that horse!   Pullease DO NOT post pictures in text-only NG’s!   Will KD3XR —- the Curmudgeon of Sill Hill In order to become the master, the politician poses as the servant. Charles de Gaulle

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A better solution is to use a site such as PhotoPoint, or Zing, that offers free uploading and storage of the photo’s, in albums, with the ability to send notices to those who you want to view them. — Flutterby

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums…. However, unless they’re extremely snot-nosed & dirty, pets are 100 times more fun to look at than pictures of children & grandkids – if you know what I mean – And I think you do! Highways are happy ways, so let’s see some pix!                                                         Don

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Right on!  If anyone has pictures to post, please do so.  I’ve always enjoyed looking at people’s photo albums…. However, unless they’re extremely snot-nosed & dirty, pets are 100 times more fun to look at than pictures of children & grandkids – if you know what I mean – And I think you do! Highways are happy ways, so let’s see some pix!                                                        Don WHOA,NELLY, git offa that horse!   Pullease DO NOT post pictures in text-only NG’s!

True. It might be worth the bother to create another newsgroup  for RV picture posting, the rec.outdoors.fishing.fly newsgroup did that a few years back. That would give a way for anyone to easily post and share pictures without learning how to create a website. Only trouble with a binaries newsgroup is that they all get plastered with spam from porn sites unless they are strictly moderated.

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I have seen this book get recommended countless times on this newsgroup, and since the Winter has shut me down and I am interested in finding a good read to spend my time and increase my knowledge of flyfishing, I went to amazon.com and looked this one up. At only $6+ it seems a great deal, however it is aimed towards beginners. I am a beginner myself, having only been flyfishing seriously for about 3 intense months now, but I am past the stage of how to select a fly rod, etc. I’ve read 3 or 4 beginners guides already. Would anyone still recommend this book for someone like me? The endorsements of this book make me wonder….

_______  Tons of books but I’d like to be the first to steer you to "Matching The Hatch" by Ernest Schwiebert.  After that, I don’t care what you read. Mr.G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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Was a great illustrator. I believe he’s dead. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s a classic. Sheridan Anderson is a magnificent illustrator and an excellent instuctor as well as being an idividualist. The book is entertaining and instuctive and it’s only 6 bucks, go for it.

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Another classic is "Feather in the Breeze" Author J. Edson Leonard. Try it if you can find it. Maybe Amazon or Barns and Noble. It’s fiction with a lot of well written know how. Hugh

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Was a great illustrator. I believe he’s dead. Dave It’s a classic. Sheridan Anderson is a magnificent illustrator and an excellent instuctor as well as being an idividualist. The book is entertaining and instuctive and it’s only 6 bucks, go for it.

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Pick up any book by Robert Travers,  Nick Lyons (my favorite) or John Gierach for a great existential "been there" flyfishing read. Try Mel Krieger’s book "The Essence of Flycasting" or Lefty Kreh’s most recent tome for a good "how to" book. — Randall S. Davis

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen this book get recommended countless times on this newsgroup, and since the Winter has shut me down and I am interested in finding a good read to spend my time and increase my knowledge of flyfishing, I went to amazon.com and looked this one up. At only $6+ it seems a great deal, however it is aimed towards beginners. I am a beginner myself, having only been flyfishing seriously for about 3 intense months now, but I am past the stage of how to select a fly rod, etc. I’ve read 3 or 4 beginners guides already. Would anyone still recommend this book for someone like me? The endorsements of this book make me wonder…. Also, I am looking for something to read, not so much for the instructional aspects of it, but for the imagery/emotion of "being there" during the read. What I’m asking here is, can anyone recommend a book based on flyfishing that is either a. Fictional, or B. An experiential, essay like text. I want something that will make me yearn to be there with the writer casting my line too! Thanks! It’s a classic. Sheridan Anderson is a magnificent illustrator and an excellent instuctor as well as being an idividualist. The book is entertaining and instuctive and it’s only 6 bucks, go for it.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen this book get recommended countless times on this newsgroup, and since the Winter has shut me down and I am interested in finding a good read to spend my time and increase my knowledge of flyfishing, I went to amazon.com and looked this one up. At only $6+ it seems a great deal, however it is aimed towards beginners. I am a beginner myself, having only been flyfishing seriously for about 3 intense months now, but I am past the stage of how to select a fly rod, etc. I’ve read 3 or 4 beginners guides already. Would anyone still recommend this book for someone like me? The endorsements of this book make me wonder…. Also, I am looking for something to read, not so much for the instructional aspects of it, but for the imagery/emotion of "being there" during the read. What I’m asking here is, can anyone recommend a book based on flyfishing that is either a. Fictional, or B. An experiential, essay like text. I want something that will make me yearn to be there with the writer casting my line too! Thanks!

It’s a classic. Sheridan Anderson is a magnificent illustrator and an excellent instuctor as well as being an idividualist. The book is entertaining and instuctive and it’s only 6 bucks, go for it.

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Also, I am looking for something to read, not so much for the instructional aspects of it, but for the imagery/emotion of "being there" during the read. What I’m asking here is, can anyone recommend a book based on flyfishing that is either a. Fictional, or B. An experiential, essay like text. I want something that will make me yearn to be there with the writer casting my line too!

I have three recommendations for you, Mark. They may not be the best books of yearning to be there next to them, at least in terms of action, but they offer very thoughtful and well-written perspectives and reflections. * Ted Leeson – The Habit of Rivers. Very thoughtful and humorous book. Simplifying and reflecting on complex and important matters, without missing crucial elements. Very impressive! You may get a "why didn’t I think of that?"-feeling from it, combined with uncontrolled chuckles.. This guy knows how to work a pen. * W.D. Wheterell – One River More. A book that you’ll spend hours reading only to find yourself wondering where the hell all the pages went. Amazingly smooth flow of the book, and his observations and writing style really appealed to me. You might look at your own favorite river different after reading this. Different as in many-facetted with regard to contexts and perspectives, which you probably didn’t know you were missing.. * Harry Middleton – Rivers of Memory. A small book — could easily be mistaken for a pamphlet. Until it is opened and read, that is. Middleton is a genius in communicating descriptions of atmospheres and scenery the way he sees them. I’m reading this book now, and judging from the size of it, I expected spending an hour or two on it.. Not so, as I time and time again find myself re-reading paragraphs while my slow brain catches up with the true power concealed in his words. A one-word description: "Wow!" (a word of caution: English is not my mother tongue, and this probably affects my reading pace and understanding, and thus my preferences in writers, a great deal..) I don’t like Gierach much, at least not compared the books and authors listed above. Too monotonous in perspective and writing style for my taste. He does have his moments, by all means, but somehow, it just doesn’t strike that cord with me.. If you do love Gierach books, you’re in luck, because he sure writes a lot of them….. Hope this helps! — Christian Figenschou – <URL: http://figen.com

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Grahm,    Read Trout Bum and View From Rat Lake.  He is a good writer and has only written one book that wasn’t excellent.  I enjoy his magazine articles too. Ernie Graham K. Jones wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I would recommend anything written by John Gierach. I’ve read, just this fall, Sex, Death and Fly-Fishing, Dances with Trout, Another Lousy Day in Paradise and I am working on Standing in a River Waving a Stick when I can (not much lately). John’s writing really struck a cord with me, maybe it will for you as well. His books are a mix of the philosophy, technique, demographics and sociology of fly fishing. Graham

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Grahm,    Read Trout Bum and View From Rat Lake.  He is a good writer and has only written one book that wasn’t excellent.  I enjoy his magazine articles too. Ernie

Ernie;Which one might that be? I have read everything he has written and they were all good. The only thing wrong with reading Gierach is that it might lead you to experiment with bamboo, heroin is cheaper and maybe not as addictive. John Before you buy.

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Mark,  Two titles I would highly recommend:  A Flyfisher’s World by Nick Lyons and The Armchair Angler, an anthology edited by T. Brykczynski and D. Reuther.  Kerry Evans

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen this book get recommended countless times on this newsgroup, and since the Winter has shut me down and I am interested in finding a good read to spend my time and increase my knowledge of flyfishing, I went to amazon.com and looked this one up. At only $6+ it seems a great deal, however it is aimed towards beginners. I am a beginner myself, having only been flyfishing seriously for about 3 intense months now, but I am past the stage of how to select a fly rod, etc. I’ve read 3 or 4 beginners guides already. Would anyone still recommend this book for someone like me? The endorsements of this book make me wonder…. Also, I am looking for something to read, not so much for the instructional aspects of it, but for the imagery/emotion of "being there" during the read. What I’m asking here is, can anyone recommend a book based on flyfishing that is either a. Fictional, or B. An experiential, essay like text. I want something that will make me yearn to be there with the writer casting my line too! Thanks!

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I keep it on my coffee table….granted it is a great first book but it is large format, comic book style…… If anyone asks about flyfishing the can read it over coffee while you are slicing the cake (not very long) Well, it’s not exactly on the coffee table but it is in the living room along with my giant sized , reprint of the first issue of Superman. And if you don’t get it, you’ll always wonder about it now won’t ya? P.S. at the price, is there anything related to flyfishing you can get

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Hello Mark, I would recommend anything written by John Gierach. I’ve read, just this fall, Sex, Death and Fly-Fishing, Dances with Trout, Another Lousy Day in Paradise and I am working on Standing in a River Waving a Stick when I can (not much lately). John’s writing really struck a cord with me, maybe it will for you as well. His books are a mix of the philosophy, technique, demographics and sociology of fly fishing. Graham

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have seen this book get recommended countless times on this newsgroup, and since the Winter has shut me down and I am interested in finding a good read to spend my time and increase my knowledge of flyfishing, I went to amazon.com and looked this one up. At only $6+ it seems a great deal, however it is aimed towards beginners. I am a beginner myself, having only been flyfishing seriously for about 3 intense months now, but I am past the stage of how to select a fly rod, etc. I’ve read 3 or 4 beginners guides already. Would anyone still recommend this book for someone like me? The endorsements of this book make me wonder…. Also, I am looking for something to read, not so much for the instructional aspects of it, but for the imagery/emotion of "being there" during the read. What I’m asking here is, can anyone recommend a book based on flyfishing that is either a. Fictional, or B. An experiential, essay like text. I want something that will make me yearn to be there with the writer casting my line too! Thanks!

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I have seen this book get recommended countless times on this newsgroup, and since the Winter has shut me down and I am interested in finding a good read to spend my time and increase my knowledge of flyfishing, I went to amazon.com and looked this one up. At only $6+ it seems a great deal, however it is aimed towards beginners. I am a beginner myself, having only been flyfishing seriously for about 3 intense months now, but I am past the stage of how to select a fly rod, etc. I’ve read 3 or 4 beginners guides already. Would anyone still recommend this book for someone like me? The endorsements of this book make me wonder…. Also, I am looking for something to read, not so much for the instructional aspects of it, but for the imagery/emotion of "being there" during the read. What I’m asking here is, can anyone recommend a book based on flyfishing that is either a. Fictional, or B. An experiential, essay like text. I want something that will make me yearn to be there with the writer casting my line too! Thanks!

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Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line?

I have one of these.  I use it on a six weight.  Casts like hell -hinging, etc…  It will get a streamer or nymph down a little, though.  Effective to about six or eight feet.  In general, I would not suggest it.  You can do as well with a longer leader and a couple of split shot with a floating line. J

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Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line?

Frank, I have one of these and they work ok in a pinch if you hit one or two deep sections and then go back to more moderate depths but if you are going to be fishing deep for extended periods of time my advice would be to buy a sink tip.  I do carry the Orvis sink tip for emergency use but they are a pain to cast and don’t get you down as well as a real sink tip fly line would in my experience. Good Fishing, C. Segina

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Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line?

I haven’t seen Orvis’ up close but Cortland’s tend to be too heavy for my 4 wt.  I have a beat up old full sinking 9 wt line and the thin running portion of it is perfect for making mini sink tips.  The only drawback is that this requires a loop to loop connection.  I prefer nail-knotting a piece of thick leader material and then tying a perfection loop at the end since it lands on the water more softly than a fly-line looped end. Mu

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Frank, Splurge and go for the full line in a medium density.  Use it on a longer rod with a short (3 to 4 ft) leader.  The rod length is for mending and good control.  Don’t believe those who say any old rod and a long leader.  You need to mend and the fly needs to sink.  The longer the distance between the fly and the weight of the tip section, the higher the fly will ride.  You can use leader length to fine tune your drift depth. I made those mini sink tips from lead core years ago.  They’ll sink your fly, but you won’t like the casting unless you’re using 8 wt line+.  They cast like slinky weights on running line — chuck and duck. Mike If you buy a sink tip that has too much tip for your needs, you can just cut it down and reattach your leader butt.  

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Frank: I’ve used the Orvis lead head sections – I don’t think they offer them any more – that must be similar (though shorter) than the 5 ft sink -tip head that you are looking at. These things came in 12 inch and 24 inch sections, and could be looped in at the end of the regular fly line, and the leader looped on the other end.  I think they are quite useful in certain circumstances.  I keep them in my vest, and if I need to go deeper in a spot they work very well – but they are not a substitute for a true sink tip line, say for lake fishing. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line? Frank

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Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line? Frank

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I have tried these and they will sink your line well but, having a sudden transition to denser line,they are far more difficult to cast than a true sink tip line (but also cheaper). If you have the money for a line and spool, go for the full line. The most effective place for your weight lies in the fly though. Go with a longer leader and a weighted fly for the best effect. Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line? Frank

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Hi John, I have been using poppers made by the Accardo Tackle Co., 3708 Conrad Drive, Baton Rouge, LA 70805 for some time. They seem to hold up very well as long as no tooth critter hits it. I have no connection with this company. Jack in Tn.

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I’m amazed nobody responded with the following name (remember it well!): Bob’s Lucky Day Lures in Dumfries, Virginia. This guy typically advertises in one (or more) of the major FF periodicals, and his poppers are BOMBPROOF. In fact, he guarantees them for at least 100 landed fish. He sells a wide range of sizes and styles. The bodies are made of high-quality, closed-cell yellow foam on Daichi hooks. You can literally drive over one of these with your car and they won’t come apart! Email me if you can’t find his ad or number and I’ll dig it up. Scott Wilkinson

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There was a place a few years ago at least out in Colorado I think called "The Bass Shop" or "The Bass Bug" or something like that and it sold a good array of bugs, poppers and etc. Hopefully someone else will update as to the right name and if they are still in business. Nice place.

That would be The Bass Pond – in Denver. I don’t have their phone number or address but I’m sure they’re still in business. They carry quality warm water fly fishing gear.

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We sell Mustad 33903 kink shank popper hooks in sizes 1 to size 14–$5.95 per box of 100 and size 1/0 is $6.35 per box of 100.  We also sell assortment packages we put together ourselves.  This way our customers can get several different sizes without breaking the bank or buying too many of one hook size–they can also tell, pretty quickly, which sizes they will need to eventually purchase in larger quantities. Each 33903 assortment  package is $7.25.  The large sized hook assortment includes 20 each of sizes 1/0, 1, 2, 4, & 6.  The medium sized hook assortment includes 20 each of sizes 2, 4, 6, 8, & 10.  The small sized hook assortment includes 20 each of sizes 6, 8, 10, 12, & 14. We have practically stopped using the foam poppers altogether and have switched to poppers we make using Softex and Flexo tubing.  They are practically indestructible, can be tied in huge variety of sizes and shapes (we also make sliders), and can be colored very effectively with permanent markers.  Because of the versatility of the materials and ability to custom tailor the design, we’ve found them to be hugely productive–even more so than the foam poppers. We sell AirHead (Flexo) Poppers in our mail order catalog, as well as the Flexo tubing and Softex.  We have an introductory package which includes a jar of Softex and 5 yards of assorted sizes of Flexo tubing available for $16.95.  We have a three page brochure and instruction sheet on working with Softex and Flexo we’d be happy to send anyone who is interested. For a free copy of our mail order catalog or information on Softex/Flexo, send us email or call us toll-free at 1-888-200-0364. Lauren Hart Brazos FlyFishers   http://www.brazosflyfishers.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Me too!  I’d really like to find a source of small poppers (size 16 hook preferred, size 14 acceptable), made ON A POPPER HOOK (one or two humps in hook shank to keep body from rotating), cork or plastic body, and with none of those silly, annoying rubber band legs that keep fish from touching "anything sharp" (like the hook).  I haven’t even seen the proper hooks to make my own!  I used to be able to purchase commercially exactly what I’ve described. I am so sick and tired of cheap poppers that don’t float and/or fall apart after catching a few fish. Does A N Y B O D Y know of a catalog or web site with a good selection of quality poppers? I’ve read in articles about these new foam poppers that float well and are durable. They are on the high end, 3 or 4 bucks a piece, but I’d love to try some…can’t find them anywhere. —  Custom Internet Applications  John Scherrer/Marketing Specialist  Voice 814-756-4682 Fax 814-756-3416  http://www.cianow.com  "Creating websites that work!"

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Try www.fishypete.com the prices there are a lot lower than most places.

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I am so sick and tired of cheap poppers that don’t float and/or fall apart after catching a few fish. Does A N Y B O D Y know of a catalog or web site with a good selection of quality poppers? I’ve read in articles about these new foam poppers that float well and are durable. They are on the high end, 3 or 4 bucks a piece, but I’d love to try some…can’t find them anywhere. —  Custom Internet Applications  John Scherrer/Marketing Specialist  Voice 814-756-4682 Fax 814-756-3416  http://www.cianow.com  "Creating websites that work!"

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I am so sick and tired of cheap poppers that don’t float and/or fall apart after catching a few fish. Does A N Y B O D Y know of a catalog or web site with a good selection of quality poppers? I’ve read in articles about these new foam poppers that float well and are durable. They are on the high end, 3 or 4 bucks a piece, but I’d love to try some…can’t find them anywhere.

        There was a place a few years ago at least out in Colorado I think called "The Bass Shop" or "The Bass Bug" or something like that and it sold a good array of bugs, poppers and etc. Hopefully someone else will update as to the right name and if they are still in business. Nice place. Also, you might want to look at getting in touch with the Arbogast Co. out of Ohio I think. They now own the "Hank Roberts" line of stuff, and I’ve always been fairly happy with their bugs, but I don’t think they make foam stuff like you are talking about. I’ve used the foam, but have not really found any bugs that have the right combo of weight, lack of wind resistance, high flotation and etc. for some reason. Maybe have not tried enough? So I use lots of the "Sneaky Pete’s" which are made by ??? (Hank Roberts Co.?) But, one thing I tried a few years ago after reading an article in an old FF mag was to make my own foam poppers. You buy the bass bug hook and then a pair of those stupid semi-hard foam "flip-flops" for your feet at your local K-Mart in whatever color that strikes your fancy. You then cut out the popper body from the sole foam in whatever size/shape you want, cut a slit in the bottom which fits over the hook and Crazy Glue it on. Wind on some hackle in back and maybe a tail or two and that’s it. No need for fancy tying skills. Amazingly, they worked great for me. Just the right combo of weight, high flotation, castability and etc. The only problem I had was with cutting a decent body, or at least one that looked decent to me, but then again as my mother put it years ago when trying to teach me cursive writing, my fine-motor skills need work.         Good luck. tgb

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Me too!  I’d really like to find a source of small poppers (size 16 hook preferred, size 14 acceptable), made ON A POPPER HOOK (one or two humps in hook shank to keep body from rotating), cork or plastic body, and with none of those silly, annoying rubber band legs that keep fish from touching "anything sharp" (like the hook).  I haven’t even seen the proper hooks to make my own!  I used to be able to purchase commercially exactly what I’ve described. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am so sick and tired of cheap poppers that don’t float and/or fall apart after catching a few fish. Does A N Y B O D Y know of a catalog or web site with a good selection of quality poppers? I’ve read in articles about these new foam poppers that float well and are durable. They are on the high end, 3 or 4 bucks a piece, but I’d love to try some…can’t find them anywhere. —  Custom Internet Applications  John Scherrer/Marketing Specialist  Voice 814-756-4682 Fax 814-756-3416  http://www.cianow.com  "Creating websites that work!"

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I am so sick and tired of cheap poppers that don’t float and/or fall apart after catching a few fish. Does A N Y B O D Y know of a catalog or web site with a good selection of quality poppers? I’ve read in articles about these new foam poppers that float well and are durable. They are on the high end, 3 or 4 bucks a piece, but I’d love to try some…can’t find them anywhere. — Custom Internet Applications John Scherrer/Marketing Specialist Voice 814-756-4682 Fax 814-756-3416 http://www.cianow.com "Creating websites that work!"

Hi John, We carry the Umpqua hard bodied poppers that come in Red/white or Frog that have a good Tiemco hook in them for $3.50 and the Spirit River foam poppers that come in Yellow, Black or Green with a quality hook at $2.95. We also carry the Ganes poppers in lots of sizes and colors that are made in the USA with Mustad hooks at about $2.49. I recommend using 0x to 2x tippet on these poppers so you don’t loose them or that giant bass. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Generally, unless you are doing  a lot of work for the toothier critters like pike and muskie (or unless you are in the salt…) I think the Gaines products are very adequate for the price.  I fish them in fairly small sizes (6-10) for smallmouth and usually lose the paint job far before I get a disconnect between the body and the hook, and they become useless.  Each one seeoms to be good for about 30-40 bass or 50 direct  hits on boulders, whichever comes first.  I also suspect (but do not know for certain..) that the Gaines poppers are also sold under Cortland’s name, as well as several others.  They are US made in northern Potter county, PA by squadrons of little old ladies with tattoos on their arms and Marsh-Wheelings (the world’s only cigar that the more you smoke it, the longer it gets…) clamped in their teeth..:).  They are good poppers.  

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Me too!  I’d really like to find a source of small poppers (size 16 hook preferred, size 14 acceptable), made ON A POPPER HOOK (one or two humps in hook shank to keep body from rotating), cork or plastic body, and with none of those silly, annoying rubber band legs that keep fish from touching "anything sharp" (like the hook).  I haven’t even seen the proper hooks to

make my own!  I used to

be able to purchase commercially exactly what I’ve described.

I just started tying my own bass poppers and flies using both hard bodies and deer hair.  I’ve been tying my own trout flies for a long time, but bass bug making is a whole new world – maybe in another 10 years I’ll get good at it!  :-)     You can get the hooks you mentioned from the Hook & Hackle Company. ‘Sorry, I’m at work and don’t have their catalog in front of me, but they are a big outfit and shouldn’t be hard to find….  They also carry pre-formed cork bodies, paint, and everything else you need to get started.  The hard (cork) bodied poppers are not difficult to tie, and would be a good place to start.  Try getting Dick Stewart’s book, which is entitled something like _Tying Bass Flies_.  The title may be off, but it’s the best book on the subject I have found.  Spinning and working with deer hair is a bit difficult to master, but if you already tie deer hair bodies trout flies, (like Muddler Minnows, Adams Irresistibles, etc.), you’ll have a head start.  Actually, these patterns also make good bass flies when tied in really large sizes. I am so sick and tired of cheap poppers that don’t float and/or fall apart after catching a few fish. Does A N Y B O D Y know of a catalog or web site with a good selection of quality poppers? I’ve read in articles about these new foam poppers that float well and are durable. They are on the high end, 3 or 4 bucks a piece, but I’d love to try some…can’t find them anywhere. —  Custom Internet Applications  John Scherrer/Marketing Specialist  Voice 814-756-4682 Fax 814-756-3416  http://www.cianow.com  "Creating websites that work!"

  ‘Hope this helps.   Cheers, and tight lines,   -Mark

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s a funny thing about fly patterns, the interest in them seem cyclic. The picket pin was a popular pattern when I was just getting started as a fly fisherman back the early 50s. Then interest faded, you didn’t see on many fly lists or in many catalogs. Now its becoming more prominent again. I had an interesting experience with an other old attractor pattern a few years back. I started tying a pattern know as the house & lot variant. I first used it as a kid, It was Ike’s favorite fly, and as such was fairly well known at the time. I started tying it just as an exercise, not expecting to use it much. Well you know the rest of the story it turned out to a deadly pattern for larger brown trout, particularly at dusk. My fishing buddy and I were having a great time with this fly and to keep it secret we only referred to it as the "Ike fly" around other anglers. Well after awhile someone figured it out and for a couple of years it had a small following in this area. for what ever reason after awhile it quit producing like it did at first and interest wane. You don’t see it in many fly boxes anymore. Last year I dusted off an other old forgotten fly and it looks like its going to be another winner, at least for a while. Which leads me to ask this question: by practicing catch and release are we educating the trout? God I hope so! Here to the tough ones, the one that teach us something! I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I haven’t had the opportunity to travel extensively to fish destinations far removed from my native central New York, however I have had good success with these patterns as far south as the Savage and Gunpowder rivers in Maryland. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the subject. Furthermore am I missing out on any interesting local patterns from other areas of the country. Any info and/or recipes appreciated. Thanks in advance and good fishing C. Segina

   Its funny that you talk about the h & l variant as i call it because out here in Colorado it’s a very popular fly.  in fact it’s one of my favorite to tie and fish.  I didn’t know the history behind it and that’s very interesting. fly patterns are very interesting and sometimes entertaining to hear the stories behing them and the way their popularity changes over time.

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It’s a funny thing about fly patterns, the interest in them seem cyclic. The picket pin was a popular pattern when I was just getting started as a fly fisherman back the early 50s. Then interest faded, you didn’t see on many fly lists or in many catalogs. Now its becoming more prominent again. I had an interesting experience with an other old attractor pattern a few years back. I started tying a pattern know as the house & lot variant. I first used it as a kid, It was Ike’s favorite fly, and as such was fairly well known at the time. I started tying it just as an exercise, not expecting to use it much. Well you know the rest of the story it turned out to a deadly pattern for larger brown trout, particularly at dusk. My fishing buddy and I were having a great time with this fly and to keep it secret we only referred to it as the "Ike fly" around other anglers. Well after awhile someone figured it out and for a couple of years it had a small following in this area. for what ever reason after awhile it quit producing like it did at first and interest wane. You don’t see it in many fly boxes anymore. Last year I dusted off an other old forgotten fly and it looks like its going to be another winner, at least for a while. Which leads me to ask this question: by practicing catch and release are we educating the trout? God I hope so! Here to the tough ones, the one that teach us something! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I haven’t had the opportunity to travel extensively to fish destinations far removed from my native central New York, however I have had good success with these patterns as far south as the Savage and Gunpowder rivers in Maryland. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the subject.  Furthermore am I missing out on any interesting local patterns from other areas of the country. Any info and/or recipes appreciated. Thanks in advance and good fishing C. Segina

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I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I haven’t had the opportunity to travel extensively to fish destinations far removed from my native central New York, however I have had good success with these patterns as far south as the Savage and Gunpowder rivers in Maryland. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the subject.  Furthermore am I missing out on any interesting local patterns from other areas of the country. Any info and/or recipes appreciated. Thanks in advance and good fishing C. Segina

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I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I

Quite possibly every new pattern that aims at exact imitation starts as a "regional" pattern, so far as what it imitates lives in some places and not others.  E.g. cress bugs were invented by Pennsylvania tyers for Pennsylvania streams, even though you can find crustacea everywhere that look like them. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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We have been promoting our software on the Internet for the past six months but are starting to run out of ideas. We have carried out the following: Search engine registration Newsgroup postings Link requests on related sites Limited banner advertising (0 hits) Is there any other form of marketing that can be used ?

What about cross-promotion? You can print your website on all the papers you issue, e.g. on your brochures, your price lists, on your letterhead, your calling cards, your invoices, etc. In return you can offer your brochures online. Phone:          +49-172-7412842 / +49-2162-58154 Fax:            +49-2162-58153

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Are your potential customers connected on the internet? Maybe… call some of them and ask them why they not or when they will buy your program? Perry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have been promoting our software on the Internet for the past six months but are starting to run out of ideas. We have carried out the following: Search engine registration Newsgroup postings Link requests on related sites Limited banner advertising (0 hits) Is there any other form of marketing that can be used ?

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We have been promoting our software on the Internet for the past six months but are starting to run out of ideas. We have carried out the following: Search engine registration Newsgroup postings Link requests on related sites Limited banner advertising (0 hits) Is there any other form of marketing that can be used ?

<snip A site should be promoted off-line as well as on-line. Maybe you could use some of your advertising dollars to post small ads in market-related magazines or newsletters telling about your web site. (hint) You can even test how these ads are pulling by putting a specific web page in the ad … a page other than your home page designed only to receive visitors from that particular ad. — Bob Pardue, Advertising Specialties Learn To Increase Your Bottom-Line Profits Using Promotional Products. Free Reports and a Free Marketing-Zine. Visit me at: <http://www.theadpro.com

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We have been promoting our software on the Internet for the past six months but are starting to run out of ideas. Then you’re not thinking hard enough. I won’t give you the answers, but I’ll lead you to one of them by getting you thinking about it. The web can not only help customers find you but also help you find customers. Datefind-db YEAR 2000 Database and Spreadsheet Impact Analysis and Testing Software http://www.astuk.com – Download a FREE trial copy now and check your PCs Can I assume the Y2K product is what you’re selling? If so, there are thousands of potential customers out there for you. Many won’t beat a path to your door yet, so you’ll have to beat a path to theirs to get them to come in. Fly-by-night e-mail doesn’t work. Involvement does. Even a $500 lure on a $10,000 fishing pole won’t catch diddley if you don’t work it. If you were a person with a Y2K question, what would you be doing to find the answer, the solution or help? Put yourself in that person’s place and track them as you would any plains buffalo. Hint #1: Who is Peter de Jaeger and why am I asking you if you’ve heard of him/know him? Hint #2: How did I find the following? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Year 2000 to present challenges by Staff Sgt. Gerald P. Sonnenberg     SCOTT AIR FORCE BASE, Ill. (AFNS) — The next century is a mere four years away.  And as it gets closer, predictions of flood, famine and other disasters by people such as the French clairvoyant, Nostradamus, are on the minds of many.     Though frightening, those predictions are merely possibilities.     There is at least one prediction for the new millennium so likely that when it will occur has been narrowed down to the last second.     "The more I think about the year 2000 the more I realize the impact it will have on all of us at work and at home," said Gary Kuhn, an information systems specialist at the Air Force C4 Agency here.     Kuhn is referring to faulty date logic in computer systems.  This is a computer’s inability to handle the date change from 1999 to 2000 because systems were designed eliminating the first two digits of the year in software essential to the functions of thousands of computers.

Good luck! Best, Mac

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Chris, Were your postings to newsgroups taking about a tool for 2000? Or did you talk about a way for Systems Integrators to offer a new service to their customers? I didn’t understand the meaning of your offering (2000 impact analysis and testing?) until I visited your WebSite. I find your product as an interesting and usefull idea, though… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have been promoting our software on the Internet for the past six months but are starting to run out of ideas.

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I went camping at Lake Granby.  It rained every day I was there.  It did not rain that long but it did rain long enough to make it miserable.  The flyrod was not working real well for me.  I had no strikes on the fly.  I changed to bait casting.  I used a Mepp’s spinner with salmon eggs and caught five fish.  I am looking forward to returning to Lake Granby next year.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I went camping at Lake Granby.  It rained every day I was there.  It did not rain that long but it did rain long enough to make it miserable. The flyrod was not working real well for me.  I had no strikes on the fly.  I changed to bait casting.  I used a Mepp’s spinner with salmon eggs and caught five fish.  I am looking forward to returning to Lake Granby next year.

this area.  Better wishes next time.  Do not move from this site. Mr. G.

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Checkout Lefty’s outstanding Tips and Techniques for Fly Fishing at: http://www.fred.net/downsouth/lefty.htm

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Checkout Lefty’s outstanding Tips and Techniques for Fly Fishing at: http://www.fred.net/downsouth.lefty.htm

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