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I was given my first fly rod …. a cheap cane one bought at Sears …. a Ted Williams or something, as I recall I took it to Yellowstone in 1970 on vacation and caught my first fly caught trout …. and it changed my life. What was the "value" of that old "cheap, give away’ rod?     To me, it has been priceless …. the rod, itself is long gone…. but, what it started grows faster each passing year… a love of trout, fly fishing, and the places both require About 20 years ago I gave a ‘kid" that worked for me an old Fenwick glass fly rod, I had "advanced" to graphite.    To make a long story short, he got hooked, went to school in fisheries biology, and now works for  Fish and Game.    I just got a phone call from him, to tell me where the ducks and geese where at, in case I wanted a good hunt, in a little known spot. The value of the old glass rod?…. well, what is somehing that points a young person towards a good career worth?  What is an "insider" phone call worth when the fishing gets hot?… I get several a year because of that rod. A number of  years ago, a fellow, then in his 80’s,  that I barely knew gave me an E.C. Powell rod and told me it’s history.  To my "why me?" he answered, " I saw you fishing Silver Creek, and it’s rare to see a person enjoying the sport that much, I walked by you within feet and you never even noticed, you were totally absorbed, in your fishing.   The rod comes with a requirement …do no ‘collect’ this rod.   I’m giving it to you becasue I want it FISHED, not collected." I do fish it, too, a few times each year.  It could be "collected"…  Walton Powell, wanted it for his collection when he was still alive.   But, when I get to the point where I can’t fish it, you will see me walking the banks, looking for the right person to pass it on to …. and he will be told to fish it, not collect it. Got an old rod, that you don’t really use?  Consider giving it to a "kid" …. even if it’s "just a rod" to you, it won’t be to him, if it gets him out on the streams Got a valuable collectors item …. at least consider fishing it, now and then.   Imho, that is the best way to honor it’s maker

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  A number of  years ago, a fellow, then in his 80’s,  that I barely knew gave me an E.C. Powell rod and told me it’s history.  To my "why me?" he answered, " I saw you fishing Silver Creek, and it’s rare to see a person enjoying the sport that much, I walked by you within feet and you never even noticed, you were totally absorbed, in your fishing.   The rod comes with a requirement …do no ‘collect’ this rod.   I’m giving it to you becasue I want it FISHED, not collected."

Your settings are right on the mark, Larry.

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Larry, Were you born on March 25th 1945 ? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com   I was given my first fly rod …. a cheap cane one bought at Sears …. a Ted Williams or something, as I recall   I took it to Yellowstone in 1970 on vacation and caught my first fly caught trout …. and it changed my life.   What was the "value" of that old "cheap, give away’ rod?     To me, it has been priceless …. the rod, itself is long gone…. but, what it started grows faster each passing year… a love of trout, fly fishing, and the places both require   About 20 years ago I gave a ‘kid" that worked for me an old Fenwick glass fly rod, I had "advanced" to graphite.    To make a long story short, he got hooked, went to school in fisheries biology, and now works for  Fish and Game.    I just got a phone call from him, to tell me where the ducks and geese where at, in case I wanted a good hunt, in a little known spot.   The value of the old glass rod?…. well, what is somehing that points a young person towards a good career worth?  What is an "insider" phone call worth when the fishing gets hot?… I get several a year because of that rod.   A number of  years ago, a fellow, then in his 80’s,  that I barely knew gave me an E.C. Powell rod and told me it’s history.  To my "why me?" he answered, " I saw you fishing Silver Creek, and it’s rare to see a person enjoying the sport that much, I walked by you within feet and you never even noticed, you were totally absorbed, in your fishing.   The rod comes with a requirement …do no ‘collect’ this rod.   I’m giving it to you becasue I want it FISHED, not collected."   I do fish it, too, a few times each year.  It could be "collected"…  Walton Powell, wanted it for his collection when he was still alive.   But, when I get to the point where I can’t fish it, you will see me walking the banks, looking for the right person to pass it on to …. and he will be told to fish it, not collect it.   Got an old rod, that you don’t really use?  Consider giving it to a "kid" …. even if it’s "just a rod" to you, it won’t be to him, if it gets him out on the streams   Got a valuable collectors item …. at least consider fishing it, now and then.   Imho, that is the best way to honor it’s maker

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  Larry,   Were you born on March 25th 1945 ?   —   ahhh…pretty close…right age group, for sure.   but, I don’t know the significance of that date … am I being dumber than my normal, very dumb, self ???  

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I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html I didn’t optimize it at all. If you have a dialup, it will take a while to load (it took me awhile to upload). Willi

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I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html I didn’t optimize it at all. If you have a dialup, it will take a while to load (it took me awhile to upload). Willi

Got ‘em all in about 5 seconds.  (you got the water, I got the link) Very low water, eh?  Interesting how that seems to affect different streams in different ways.  Fished Bronte with the asadi man and the catching sucked but the Credit with the same low water, was full of fish a couple of days earlier. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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  Very low water, eh?  Interesting how that seems to affect different   streams in different ways.  Fished Bronte with the asadi man and the   catching sucked but the Credit with the same low water, was full of   fish a couple of days earlier. All Summer, I’m sure that was the case. Maybe fishing at night would have worked. The temps were so high this Summer, the water felt warm and I was sure there were significant kills. Didn’t fish it all Summer but would periodically go for walks and never saw a fish. The cooler water of Fall brought the bugs and also the fish. Willi

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I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html

Challenging water, Willi.  Those pics. are enough to get the pulse up a bit. Steve

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I knew that the flows were low in Colorado’s streams this year, but I was still surprised by your pictures.  How much lower is the water on your stream than during a normal October?  Nice shots though.  Here in southern California I just heard that starting on Friday approximately 90% of the National Forest land will be put off-limits until we receive *significant* rainfall.  It’s been a tough season all over. Cheers, Bill I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html

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I put up the pic on: http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html

    my god, that is *low* water (and slow)!  i can’t believe you can lay out line and not spook every fish in the creek.  it’s as if you fish a different world than we do… yfitons wayno

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Good pics Willi – very nice brown.  It’s amazing those fish are in such low slow water – and you’re catching them.  I guess if the river is rich enough, then the trout have no choice but to be there, and feed, no matter how low the water is.

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    I put up the pic on:     http://www.frii.com/~goldens/BWO.html             my god, that is *low* water (and slow)!  i can’t believe you can lay out   line and not spook every fish in the creek. That is the trick. That’s where the cloudy cover helps. In those situations, I can generally get close enough that I’m casting only a few feet of fly line. On sunny days the Dorber line helps. It is a four weight but is slightly thinner than a Cortland three. Although it doesn’t float as well as a Cortland, its thinner profile suits most light line situations better for me. This water has been a good teacher for me.   it’s as if you fish a different   world than we do… It’s a different world than the majority of waters in the Rockies and it’s the reason why I usually have this water to myself. Flows are at about half of normal for this time of year. Because this stretch of river has frequent drawdowns and releases for irrigation needs and for the filling of reservoirs, fluctuations are common. The fish have adapted well to frequent low water conditions. Low water flows for several years that correspond with spawning times result in fewer but bigger fish. When I first started fishing this part of the river, the population was low, but an average fish was close to 20 inches. Until this year, the past few years have had decent flows during spawning times and the population of fish is good with a variety of age classes. The fish average about four inches more than the more popular just a few miles upstream. Willi

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I put up the pic on: Good pics Willi – very nice brown.  It’s amazing those fish are in such low slow water – and you’re catching them.  I guess if the river is rich enough, then the trout have no choice but to be there, and feed, no matter how low the water is.

One of the things that this river has taught me is that many fish, often better fish, prefer to feed in shallow water, sometimes very shallow water, during a hatch or other periods of insect activity. I think that it must make for more efficient feeding. willi

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Don’t forget a conical fermentor – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not alone?  Oh no, it is as feared.  I’ve only brewed several batches of extract, but I can’t stop reading.  And now I think I grasp the fundamentals of all grain.  More equipment is inevitable.  Bigger brew pot.  Propane Burner, Wort Chiller Mash Tun, Lauter Tun, Wait, maybe a "false bottom" Mash Tun… Hmm single stage highly modified, or multi-stage undermodified? Probably single stage first?  I know I can’t stop myself!  The kegerator is coming.  Growing hops, not a problem.  Culturing yeast, maybe it’s worth it? Ah hell, who can resist that sweet yeasty smell bubbling from the carboy? And the unlimited supply of fresh homebrew…  I see taps in my future. Thanks to all those here who support this addiction! Rod. I’ve been a wine/cider maker for a few years now, nothing serious, just something I played with on the side.  Well, I’m not sure why it took me so long (I’ve always been a beer drinker), but a couple months back I brewed my first beer (a porter that turned out MUCH better than I expected).  I now have three different batches in various stages of fermentation, and all I think about in my free time is BEER!  …the bigger kettle, a kegging system, a fridge, a new  wort cooler, all the things I want (read: need!).  Football season is a month away! Normally by this time I would have trouble sleeping at night with anticipation (go eagles).  Now I can’t keep thinking to myself how great it would be to have a nice keg of homebrew in my truck for the tailgates, not about the games!  Will this madness ever end?!?!?!? SWMBO thinks I’ve lost my mind!  I don’t watch TV anymore, I read books! (Brewing books, but books nonetheless!)  Help me!  What’s the cure?? thanks for letting me vent a little, feeling better now.

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I’m not alone?  Oh no, it is as feared.  I’ve only brewed several batches of extract, but I can’t stop reading.  And now I think I grasp the fundamentals of all grain.  More equipment is inevitable.  Bigger brew pot.  Propane Burner, Wort Chiller Mash Tun, Lauter Tun, Wait, maybe a "false bottom" Mash Tun… Hmm single stage highly modified, or multi-stage undermodified? Probably single stage first?  I know I can’t stop myself!  The kegerator is coming.  Growing hops, not a problem.  Culturing yeast, maybe it’s worth it? Ah hell, who can resist that sweet yeasty smell bubbling from the carboy? And the unlimited supply of fresh homebrew…  I see taps in my future. Thanks to all those here who support this addiction! Rod.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been a wine/cider maker for a few years now, nothing serious, just something I played with on the side.  Well, I’m not sure why it took me so long (I’ve always been a beer drinker), but a couple months back I brewed my first beer (a porter that turned out MUCH better than I expected).  I now have three different batches in various stages of fermentation, and all I think about in my free time is BEER!  …the bigger kettle, a kegging system, a fridge, a new  wort cooler, all the things I want (read: need!).  Football season is a month away! Normally by this time I would have trouble sleeping at night with anticipation (go eagles).  Now I can’t keep thinking to myself how great it would be to have a nice keg of homebrew in my truck for the tailgates, not about the games!  Will this madness ever end?!?!?!? SWMBO thinks I’ve lost my mind!  I don’t watch TV anymore, I read books! (Brewing books, but books nonetheless!)  Help me!  What’s the cure?? thanks for letting me vent a little, feeling better now.

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Close…Dave Barry..         ——-Denny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who said that there is a fine line between "hobby" and "obsession?"  Dave Berry? — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com

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Thanks for the reply.  After almost 25 years of putting up with me, SWMBO is pretty reasonable.  I was just getting a bit worried that there would be an obnoxious odor floating throughout the house for the entire fermenting period.  The wort boil won’t be so bad; fan in the kitchen window and a promise that it’s just one day of the process will be okay.  If the fermenting is no big problem I’ll keep it where I had in mind.  Heck, I’ve spilled beer before, so wouldn’t be much different upon occasion 8).   Ricky – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I run my fermenters in the bathroom, in the unused bathtub (I use the wet t-shirt trick to keep the fermenters cool enough during the summer).  Aside from the one fermentation that got so vigorous that it blew out the airlock and started oozing out onto the lid of the fermenter, there has been no noticeable smell.  Even that one that did smell a bit (it basically smelled like spilled beer) cleared up as soon as the fermentation subsided and I cleaned off the ooze. The smell that stinks up the house and makes SWMBO upset is when I’m boiling the wort and add the hops.   I think it smells wonderful, but she…. well let’s just say she is of a different opinion. Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. Speaking of SWMBO, I’m getting ready place an order to try my hand at this.  SWMBO is worried about the house smelling of beer during fermentation.  I explained that it won’t be smelling like beer; it’s yeast and grains, it’ll smell more like bread baking. Just how big a lie was that?   Ricky

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I run my fermenters in the bathroom, in the unused bathtub (I use the wet t-shirt trick to keep the fermenters cool enough during the summer).  Aside from the one fermentation that got so vigorous that it blew out the airlock and started oozing out onto the lid of the fermenter, there has been no noticeable smell.  Even that one that did smell a bit (it basically smelled like spilled beer) cleared up as soon as the fermentation subsided and I cleaned off the ooze. The smell that stinks up the house and makes SWMBO upset is when I’m boiling the wort and add the hops.   I think it smells wonderful, but she…. well let’s just say she is of a different opinion.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. Speaking of SWMBO, I’m getting ready place an order to try my hand at this.  SWMBO is worried about the house smelling of beer during fermentation.  I explained that it won’t be smelling like beer; it’s yeast and grains, it’ll smell more like bread baking. Just how big a lie was that?   Ricky

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My wife is 8 months pregnant… I think this contributes to her wild swings of sometimes taking an interest in my brewing, other times cursing the very notion of it.  Of course she can’t have any beer, but I defended my return to brewing by claiming that the beer will all be ready for her to drink after the baby comes.  Plus I tell her that once the baby comes I won’t have time to brew, so that’s why I’ve just got to have 2 or 3 batches going at once now.  Naturally I’m hoping to sneak in the occaisional brew session later this year, but for awhile I fear it’ll be all baby, all the time.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. What is it with SWMBOs anyway?  Mine once said through clenched teeth "I *REALLY WISH* you would get a DIFFERENT hobby" But then I clean up the kitchen so perfectly she has no ammunition…. Then of course there’s the one where she asks whether reading all these brewing books, websites and magazines are more important than her… do I have to answer that? Mine tolerates it pretty well (so far). She just uses it as an excuse to feed her hobby–you would not believe the amount of yarn the woman has. And she bought some kind of yarn winding doohickey that I just love (she doesn’t ask me to help her wind it any more). So get her hooked on her own hobby…

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So your a little compulsive.  Be honest this has happened before maybe not tropical fish, making arrow heads, chess, banjo, fly fishing, bicycling and sailing but surely you recognize the pattern.  I myself went down with my German friend Brunhilda (I am not making this up.) to the local brewery to get a party pig of stout.  They had a homebrew section!  After that there was some sort of frenzy and when the fog cleared I had all this gear including Kegs, a refer, pots, a chiller, hoses stuff … big pile of stuff! Now when they see me coming I can see them lick their lips from the middle of the street.   My wife knew there was trouble (brewing) when the books started showing up. (The next horse she buys I’m getting a brew sculpture. ) In fact I am thinking that tomorrow, when the brewery opens up; I will buy another book; yes, a big fat one on making the perfect cream ale!     When you are feeling frustrated with this compulsiveness it is important to smoke lots and lots of cigars.  Also it helps to rotate addictions so as not to be overwhelmed.  Right now I am rotating through American Ales as fast as I can brew and heading for the English ones, then Stouts, then Lagers generally by 2005 (Spring) I should be up to lambics.  No sense in overdoing it. art

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been a wine/cider maker for a few years now, nothing serious, just something I played with on the side.  Well, I’m not sure why it took me so long (I’ve always been a beer drinker), but a couple months back I brewed my first beer (a porter that turned out MUCH better than I expected).  I now have three different batches in various stages of fermentation, and all I think about in my free time is BEER!  …the bigger kettle, a kegging system, a fridge, a new  wort cooler, all the things I want (read: need!).  Football season is a month away! Normally by this time I would have trouble sleeping at night with anticipation (go eagles).  Now I can’t keep thinking to myself how great it would be to have a nice keg of homebrew in my truck for the tailgates, not about the games!  Will this madness ever end?!?!?!? SWMBO thinks I’ve lost my mind!  I don’t watch TV anymore, I read books! (Brewing books, but books nonetheless!)  Help me!  What’s the cure?? thanks for letting me vent a little, feeling better now.

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After looking through some threads via google searches I finally found one I think answers my question plus one question I didn’t ask. As to fermenting, someone mentioned they ferment in the basement because of smell and others that their spouse hated it, so I guess it must not be a "baking bread" smell.  8)    I didn’t even think about the brewing process but folks posted it "smells great"/"makes you want to vomit" so sort of YMMV it seems. Maybe I need to rethink where I’m going to be doing this.  I have a cooker and I have a workshop with part sectioned off and air conditioned, but I have no running water there (or I should say, no sink — there is a water hose outlet outside the shop door).  It might work, just figured it wouldn’t be as sanitary as the kitchen.  Ricky – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. Speaking of SWMBO, I’m getting ready place an order to try my hand at this.  SWMBO is worried about the house smelling of beer during fermentation.  I explained that it won’t be smelling like beer; it’s yeast and grains, it’ll smell more like bread baking. Just how big a lie was that?  Ricky

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My better half and I are launching an e-commerce Computer Store. Please take a look and pass the word to others. We have taken the plunge and after several months have opened the site for sales. We have free UPS ground shipping on all orders over $500. The site has digital cameras, web cameras, printers, monitors, notebooks, mice, etc. We’ll be adding more products weekly and can get most products even if not on the website. I feel awkward about putting this in newsgroups but I need to get the word out. I am only announcing this in forums that we have personal interests in. (RC Planes, Kayaking, EMS, Fly Fishing, etc) Yes, this blatant advertising. I apologize if I offends anyone. If there are complaints, I certainly won’t advertise again. Thank you for reading and I hope you like the store. www.computerthingies.com John Legg

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Complaint here.   Don’t do it.  Leave the URL in your sig file and contribute to groups you’re interested in.  It’s slower, but it won’t piss people off enough to complain to your ISP.  Which I gave up bothering to do with SPAMmers (yes, you are.  Or at least advertising in conversational groups, which is a no-no) years ago.  However many still do.  Do you really want to lose your ISP and have to go find another email and Web site? If there are complaints, I certainly won’t advertise again.

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You weren’t the only complaint and I certainly learned my lesson the hard way. I posted to 6 newsgroups that I have interests in. Shortly thereafter I posted apologies to 6 newsgroups that I had interests in. Well at least I thought I’d apologized to 6 newsgroups. It looks like I forgot this one. Sorry about that. I was hesitant to post and I certainly regret doing it. It won’t happen again. John Legg www.computerthingies.com

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Complaint here.   Don’t do it.  Leave the URL in your sig file and contribute to groups you’re interested in.  It’s slower, but it won’t piss people off enough to complain to your ISP.  Which I gave up bothering to do with SPAMmers (yes, you are.  Or at least advertising in conversational groups, which is a no-no) years ago.  However many still do.  Do you really want to lose your ISP and have to go find another email and Web site?

I’ve contacted him off the group and explained to him the evils of spamming. Personally, I have a very low tolerance for spammers (mainly because they cost my business $$$) – but this guy genuinely did not realize that what he was doing was wrong.  He was also pretty worried about losing his account…I doubt he’ll ever spam again.  :-) –Tina — HOSTING: from $45 per YEAR + FREE Domain w/most       PHP/mySQL, SSI, CGI, installed scripts & more              Merchant Account + FREE hosting Info                     http://www.AffordableHost.com

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Nice apology.  And you didn’t lose your account.  From the way you phrased it, it was pretty obvious you were a newbbie at the advertising thing, so I doubt if anyone got really hot about it.  At least not enough to complain to your ISP.  It’s one of those learning things.  As a sister-in-law once said, "Oh, lord how I HATE learning experiences."  Hey, it’s not like doing something really dumb with power tools and powerlines or bare arms. You weren’t the only complaint and I certainly learned my lesson the hard way. I posted to 6 newsgroups that I have interests in. Shortly thereafter I posted apologies to 6 newsgroups that I had interests in. Well at least I thought I’d apologized to 6 newsgroups. It looks like I forgot this one. Sorry about that. I was hesitant to post and I certainly regret doing it. It won’t happen again. John Legg www.computerthingies.com

— rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Tuesday morning found only RW, Bruce and me in camp.  At breakfast, we met Kerry Evans a roffer from Colorado.  We headed back to the Texas Hole to fish the riffles in front of the first handicap ramp.  I started fishing without Bruce directing me — caught nothing.  When he came down, he placed me at the side of the main current.  On my first cast I was into a nice fish and managed to land a 20 inch bow, again with beautiful colors.  After awhile, Bruce moved us upstream to Big Rock Hole and the main current of the river.  RW, Bruce and I took some beautiful fish here.  We also lost two for every one we landed — the current was quite strong and with iddybiddy hooks it was difficult to land these big fish.  One brought me downstream about 50 yards.  As I stumbled/waded over the slippery rocks, RW hollered, "Hey, bring us back some chips and salsa and a couple of beers!"  I managed to finally net this giant football and in my excitement  reviving the fish, my net floated away!   I broke for lunch, but the two river maniacs stayed and continued to catch fish.  I met them in the flats above the KP after lunch and couldn’t believe that I was catching 20 inch fish in 16 inch deep water!   I moved back to the Texas Hole after awhile, and rigged up for some dry fly fishing.  I tied on a size 22 Adams parachute (Forty’s SJ fly) and cast to rising fish.  I managed to hook a few, but never landed one.  RW and Bruce collected me just before dark and we made our way back.  I left them at the parking lot and went back to the former Clave Central.  It was a lonely dinner and evening with no roffians about.  I fell asleep at 7:30 and awoke at 5:30. Apparently I was tired.  Happy, but very tired. Dave LaCourse Dave LaCourse

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(snip great report) Apparently I was tired.  Happy, but very tired. Dave LaCourse

Now THAT is the way to finish out a road trip!  :-) — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!

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Dave, i couldn’t imagine a better day than tuesday.  you caught more fish than i ever did in my first few days on that river.  it is fun in that current by the big rock – we lost several more each than we landed.  steve’s side is real tough because the fish are there, but you’ve only got about ten feet square of reasonable water around you and if the fish leaves the area, your chances are slim.  nice also that we all tended to pop out of the fish rather than break off, although our pockets were picked a few times each.  the flies are so small, louie thought he broke off the entire rig in a pig once, only to say "wait, i’ve still got one fly… no, maybe i’ve got both… yep, i’ve bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen

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Nice report Dave, thanks.  I share your feelings about catching beat up hatchery trout, even though they may be large ones taking tiny flies.  That’s what happens when a place becomes popular.  Keep all your honey holes a secret or they may turn out to be like the kiddy pool.  There is no substitute for wild trout. Ernie

Tuesday morning found only RW, Bruce and me in camp.  At breakfast, we met Kerry Evans a roffer from Colorado.

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[deleted] There is no substitute for wild trout.

The last week of November found me in a tourist town at the gates of a National Park near where I live.  There was a pond and a parking lot. In the parking lot was a large lit sign on a pole which read "Catch Wild Trout". And so I am left to conclude agreement with you on your sentiment Ernie. The one possible exception being the imagination. Your pal, — TimW Halfordian Golfer & Urban Forager It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. A cash flow runs through it.

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And Sandy, while occasionally getting snippy with one or another poster on roff, doesn’t hold a grudge forever and ever and go on and on.  Something to be learned there, I am sure.

Well, he can dish it out too, Rick.  The reason I really want to track him down in Montana is that I was his principal victim in one of the all-time great ROFF scams.  Do you remember (say, 1996 or so, on April Fools day) when Sandy posted an extended "quote" from the Missoula newspaper, reporting that the Big Hole had disappeared into the Rhone Puolanec (spelling ?) mine?  Perhaps it was because I had fished in that vicinity, but I fell for it completely.  By the end of the day, half the population of Pennsylvania had heard the "news". After I fish with him and buy him a few brews, I intend to wring his scrawny neck Mark Faulkner, holding a grudge forever and ever.

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 Chained flies are far less prone to tangling than dropper flies, plus they are easier to cast. Try fishing a large grasshopper as a strike indicator (bobber) that catches fish, followed by one, two or three nymphs. Why use a pink foam indicator when you can use a grasshopper?

  I use this method, but three _dries_ daisy chained  has me wondering Drag must be a problem or is the water type such that drag is not an issue. Seems to me three dries on loops would be a nightmare to cast. One large and two small might be workable . Got to try it when I am full of patience. Harry

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take a quick look at http://www.montana-riverboats.com/bhsf.html

An X- rated picture, that’s for sure. Mark faulkner

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God bless the Parachute Adams!  Usually my first (and only) choice. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was down at Silver Creek, south of Ketchum Idaho last week. For those who don’t know, it’s a semi-famous spring creek, loaded with birds, big fish and well-equipped, competative-agressive flyfishermen. It is a beautiful stream. Moreover I was lucky to get there just in time for its legendary Brown Drake hatch…which only lasts for 5-10 days. (now over).   The big drakes hatch at night, starting just at dark, limited to those parts of the stream with enough silt to support their silt-loving nymphs. PUNCHLINE:   As dark approached, I shared the stream with wall-to-wall fishermen. It reminded my of openning day in New Jersey. I almost left. But once the hatch started, I forgot all complaints. Billions of mayflies as big as your thumb brought thousands of fish to the surface. The birds went nuts. I fished three dry flies simultaneously, and outfished everyone in sight. I caught a fish every third cast for nearly two hours.   I had a huge drake on, followed by a stimulator, followed by a #12 parachute adams. The drake made it easy to find my fly in the diminishing light. But nearly all the fish I caught took the #12 adams…despite the presense of billions of #4 mayflies. A few took the stimulator. Only one fish all   night took the big drake pattern. Everyone else around me fished big drake patterns, and despite the profusion of bugs….most of them worked hard for 2-3 fish. I must have caught close to 30. That’s fishin…

– I am who I am.  I am who I’ve learned to be.  I am Nothing.

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God bless the Parachute Adams!  Usually my first (and only) choice.

I have to agree with that…the Adams seems to work pretty much everywhere. I caught a nice fat 18" rainbow on X creek just the other day using a #18 adams. -Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was down at Silver Creek, south of Ketchum Idaho last week. For those who don’t know, it’s a semi-famous spring creek, loaded with birds, big fish and well-equipped, competative-agressive flyfishermen. It is a beautiful stream. Moreover I was lucky to get there just in time for its legendary Brown Drake hatch…which only lasts for 5-10 days. (now over).   The big drakes hatch at night, starting just at dark, limited to those parts of the stream with enough silt to support their silt-loving nymphs. PUNCHLINE:   As dark approached, I shared the stream with wall-to-wall fishermen. It reminded my of openning day in New Jersey. I almost left. But once the hatch started, I forgot all complaints. Billions of mayflies as big as your thumb brought thousands of fish to the surface. The birds went nuts. I fished three dry flies simultaneously, and outfished everyone in sight. I caught a fish every third cast for nearly two hours.   I had a huge drake on, followed by a stimulator, followed by a #12 parachute adams. The drake made it easy to find my fly in the diminishing light. But nearly all the fish I caught took the #12 adams…despite the presense of billions of #4 mayflies. A few took the stimulator. Only one fish all night took the big drake pattern. Everyone else around me fished big drake patterns, and despite the profusion of bugs….most of them worked hard for 2-3 fish. I must have caught close to 30. That’s fishin… — I am who I am.  I am who I’ve learned to be.  I am Nothing.

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— I am who I am.  I am who I’ve learned to be.  I am Nothing.

        atta boy, richard; an early entry into the quarter-finals of the john asadi amazing post of the year award. wayno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – God bless the Parachute Adams!  Usually my first (and only) choice. I was down at Silver Creek, south of Ketchum Idaho last week. For those who don’t know, it’s a semi-famous spring creek, loaded with birds, big fish and well-equipped, competative-agressive flyfishermen. It is a beautiful stream. Moreover I was lucky to get there just in time for its legendary Brown Drake hatch…which only lasts for 5-10 days. (now over).   The big drakes hatch at night, starting just at dark, limited to those parts of the stream with enough silt to support their silt-loving nymphs. PUNCHLINE:   As dark approached, I shared the stream with wall-to-wall fishermen. It reminded my of openning day in New Jersey. I almost left. But once the hatch started, I forgot all complaints. Billions of mayflies as big as your thumb brought thousands of fish to the surface. The birds went nuts. I fished three dry flies simultaneously,

and outfished everyone in sight.

I caught a fish every third cast for nearly two hours.   I had a huge drake on, followed by a stimulator, followed by a #12 parachute adams. The drake made it easy to find my fly in the diminishing light. But nearly all the fish I caught took the #12 adams…despite the presense of billions of #4 mayflies.

Hatch. A few took the stimulator. Only one fish all night took the big drake pattern. Everyone else around me fished big drake patterns, and despite the profusion of bugs….most of them worked hard for 2-3 fish. I must have caught close to 30. That’s fishin… — I am who I am.  I am who I’ve learned to be.  I am Nothing but a trot line fly fisherman.

______  I’m pleased you had a happy evening kind sir.  I wish I knew why they took the Adams instead.  Curious. — Mr. G. "Gink Keeps It Up" http://www.gink.com

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[snip] I believe he also said that fishing with nymphs was the same as bait fishing, except without having to get your hands dirty. Got him in some kind of trouble, for sure. — Charlie…

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why do chicks dig jesus? (hold arms in shape of cross) Cause he’s hung like this  :) 12 years of catholic school and I’m still a heathen! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] I believe he also said that fishing with nymphs was the same as bait fishing, except without having to get your hands dirty. Got him in some kind of trouble, for sure. — Charlie…

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12 years of catholic school and I’m still a heathen!

hey tom b.    don’t this ’splain alot –Wataugan Walt

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Remember to view New Testament accounts with skepticism.  Most of the witnesses to major events recorded there were fishermen! Al Soroka Vancouver, B.C.

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12 years of catholic school and I’m still a heathen! hey tom b.    don’t this ’splain alot –Wataugan Walt

Yep. Next, he’ll blame it on his friends and clientele. tb — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat and wrong."   H.L. Mencken

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We already had some evidence. Albeit rather inconclusive. Quite a few of Georges

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I went with the Simms Gore-Tex Micro Fibers.   They’re expensive,  but super comfortable.   I also use them for backpacking with a pair of Tevas.

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I just bought the new Orvis No-Sweat waders and couldn’t be happier.  They are super comfortable and you really don’t sweat.  Very lightweight also, they just fold up and are carried in a little bag that they come with. You can’t beat the guarantee either.  One year and if your waders have a hole for any reason, Orvis will replace them free.  Nobody else offers this.

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Wondering if anyone could shed light on good choices for light weight waders. Mainly backpack in the Sierra’s to fishing holes/streams, so need waders that are very light yet durable. Any ideas on shoes? Thought of Teva sandles but those are heavy. Any info appreciated ! John

Just got Orvis stocking hippers and (so far) they’ve been ok (stay away from Fly Tech or other cheap brands).  I use Nike (or similar brand) Aquasocks which are light weight and very functional. hope this helps;  let me know if you hit agood spot in the Sierras–I go up often and am always looking for new places– aaron

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Wondering if anyone could shed light on good choices for light weight waders. Mainly backpack in the Sierra’s to fishing holes/streams, so need waders that are very light yet durable. Any ideas on shoes? Thought of Teva sandles but those are heavy. Any info appreciated ! John

You might not need any for the small streams.  If you think you do I would William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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After five years of heavy fising I have just retired the lightweight Orvis stocking foot waders.  With some care, ie look out for thorns, branches in the woods, I have gotten a good five years of use.           Also the canvas boots from LLBeans is quite good.  Cheaper than Orvis too.  They cost about $50.  The orvis waders and hippers wore very well.  I am still using the hippers.  Good luck, FHK

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wondering if anyone could shed light on good choices for light weight waders. Mainly backpack in the Sierra’s to fishing holes/streams, so need waders that are very light yet durable. Any ideas on shoes? Thought of Teva sandles but those are heavy. Any info appreciated ! John You might not need any for the small streams.  If you think you do I would William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

William, I am not Bob, am using his browser, he told me to say this because he is embaressed by my question, however,  I am new to this sport. and I want to purchase a good all around pair of waders. What do you recommend.  I see many many different brands.  I don’t want to spend a a lot, but don’t want to get wet either or buy a new pair next year when I learn more.  Your recommendations are appreciated!!!   Thanks Phyllis

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: Wondering if anyone could shed light on good choices for light weight : waders. Mainly backpack in the Sierra’s to fishing holes/streams, so need : waders that are very light yet durable. Red Ball Supplex waders- superlight and tough. And don’t forget a patch kit –mike

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Wondering if anyone could shed light on good choices for light weight waders. Mainly backpack in the Sierra’s to fishing holes/streams, so need waders that are very light yet durable. Any ideas on shoes? Thought of Teva sandles but those are heavy. Any info appreciated ! John

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I have what I believe to be green sunfish. This fish were found in a shipment of baitfish that came from Arkansas. I live in central New York and our local DEC officer said they are not found in this area. People I know have said they are called Arkansas bluegill or shellcrackers. From books I have the fish that looks most like these fish is the green sunfish. They have the bodyshape of a rock bass. They have dark vertical stripes on their sides, a dark spot on the back of the gill cover, starting in front of the eye they have light metallic blue markings that go to the back of the gill cover, the over all body color is almost black and mottled with lighter scales throughout, all fins except the pectorals are edged with white with the pelvics being all white with black and brownish yellow streaks. The fish I believe to be females are less colorful. I have nine of these fish, the smallest is about 3 inches and the largest is about 7 inches. Does anyone know if this is indeed the green sunfish? How large do they get and what is their native range? They are living in a 75 gallon tank and doing fine. They eat anything I give them. Thanks for any information. Leah    

I think that you have it right.  We have them hear in California.  According to A.J. McClane’s New Standard Fishing Encyclopedia there are 30 species of sunfish that include bluegills and large mouth bass.  The only sunfish east of the rockies was the Sacramento Perch, all others have been introduced.  We call the green sunfish a "war mouth bass".  It is like a cross between a bass and a blueguill.  They are a great fish on light tackle. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Hi I have what I believe to be green sunfish. This fish were found in a shipment of baitfish that came from Arkansas. I live in central New York and our local DEC officer said they are not found in this area. People I know have said they are called Arkansas bluegill or shellcrackers. From books I have the fish that looks most like these fish is the green sunfish. They have the bodyshape of a rock bass. They have dark vertical stripes on their sides, a dark spot on the back of the gill cover, starting in front of the eye they have light metallic blue markings that go to the back of the gill cover, the over all body color is almost black and mottled with lighter scales throughout, all fins except the pectorals are edged with white with the pelvics being all white with black and brownish yellow streaks. The fish I believe to be females are less colorful. I have nine of these fish, the smallest is about 3 inches and the largest is about 7 inches. Does anyone know if this is indeed the green sunfish? How large do they get and what is their native range? They are living in a 75 gallon tank and doing fine. They eat anything I give them. Thanks for any information. Leah    

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I have what I believe to be green sunfish. This fish were found in a shipment of baitfish that came from Arkansas. I live in central New York and our local DEC officer said they are not found in this area. People I know have said they are called Arkansas bluegill or shellcrackers. From books I have the fish that looks most like these fish is the green sunfish. They have the bodyshape of a rock bass. They have dark vertical stripes on their sides, a dark spot on the back of the gill cover, starting in front of the eye they have light metallic blue markings that go to the back of the gill cover, the over all body color is almost black and mottled with lighter scales throughout, all fins except the pectorals are edged with white with the pelvics being all white with black and brownish yellow streaks. The fish I believe to be females are less colorful. I have nine of these fish, the smallest is about 3 inches and the largest is about 7 inches. Does anyone know if this is indeed the green sunfish? How large do they get and what is their native range? They are living in a 75 gallon tank and doing fine. They eat anything I give them. Thanks for any information. Leah    

Leah, the fish you have sounds just like a green sunfish to me. However, fish hatcheries are known to make hybrids between: green sunfish/bluegill green sunfish/red ear sunfish red ear sunfish/bluegill        obviously we don’t need to consider this one I still believe what you have is a pure green sunfish, because the hybrids that look like green sunfish have bright orange fins, and get larger. I have never heard a green sunfish called a shellcracker – shellcrackers are Red Ear Sunfish. If they are pure green sunfish, they won’t get much larger, maybe 8.5". If they are a hybrid they could reach 10". I don’t have a book in front of me, so I’m not sure about the range, other than I have caught them in Ohio, Indiana, and Texas. — Hunting and Fishing are the only sports that are even fun to FAIL at… as long as you don’t fail too often!  ;^)

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Would the guy that posted about the Saltwater flyfishing trip for rockfish in the kelp beds off of Santa Cruz please followup with a valid email address?  I tried responding via email but it bounced.  I’m interested in the Livermore Flyfishers group that was mentioned. — John Fereira Pleasanton, CA

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That’s a numeral one after my name. Kent McCammon Lightwave Systems Engineer Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Just another crash dummy on the information superhighway

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