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Trolling?  No, I will leave that to you. I happen to have a lifetime of experience with "Gothic Egos". Who cares?  Well, we know who doesn’t care, right Hantz? George Gehrke "no fish is as large as a gothic ego"

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Kiss Catch & Release good bye

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Kiss Catch & Release good bye

Maybe yes, maybe no. Might keep some to eat, might catch so many that there’s no room for them. Either way, who cares? There’s plenty of fish in the sea. I hardly think C&K-ing some sea trout is gonna damage the ecosystem. But what’s it to you, anyway? Trolling? riverman

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Some natives of ROFF are fairly wild. Some natives elsewhere, may object to being called "wild", but might accept "uncivilised", coupled perchance, with "indigenous"?  Some wild things are not necessarily native, or indeed indigenous, and are seldom civilised. Fishery biologists are not always native, and seldom uncivilised, although they may be wild. My "experience" of Florida, admittedly pure hearsay, is limited to hearing or reading about kidnappings and murders of unsuspecting, ( apparently mostly German), tourists, on or in the daily news. No information with regard to the respective professions of these people was usually tendered, although it may well be that one or the other group consisted either partly, perhaps even mainly, or indeed possibly even exclusively, of wild uncivilised native fishery biologists, with large ears and short hair, some of whom were driving too slowly, in the lane reserved for overtaking. Whether or not this was the reason for the kidnapping, and / or murder, is not clear. Somehow seems a sensible supposition nevertheless. Such instances appear to be rare in North Carolina, whether this is due to the absence of overtaking lanes, the lack of tourism, international news coverage, or the veritable plethora of legal eagles who it seems are still practising in that state, presumably thus rendering such activities less profitable, is a matter for considerable conjecture. It would certainly appear that some fishery biologists, whether native or not, although presumably  indigenous to somewhere or other, possibly even to Florida, may in fact be more civilised than others, notwithstanding the short hair and long ears, or even the florid complexion, and the tendency to slow driving in the wrong lane, all of which may, or may not,  be typical of fishery biologists, "Floridians", or tourists in general. This is demonstrated quite clearly by the peculiar propensity of this particular group,( although admittedly, as of yet, a statistically invalid sample ), for publishing apologies on ROFF. Complex terminology,  invariably indicative of considerable, in some circumstances, even colossal commitment, and indefatigable endeavour, perhaps finely tempered with a modicum of civilisation, on the part of those professions constrained to its use, in order to effect understandable and readily definable communication among themselves, may often cause confusion among large groups of the population, not currently conversant or capable, concerning such concepts. Interchangeable  use of specific professional terminology by the public at large should generally be avoided. Hope this clears everything up. Oleum et operam perdidi, hinc illae lacrumae.  Quot homines, tot sententiae, quis leget haec? TL MC — "If you have tried everything you know, and nothing works, then perhaps it is time to accept that you don

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InTheBite.Com has now added a full feature message board.  You can tell your fish stories, communicate with other fisherman, find fishing partners or post classifieds.  Just one more way we keep you "In the bite!" They even have a protected forum just for professional captains and crews. Check it out at:  http://www.inthebite.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.inthebite.com We are currently covering the 17th Annual Treasure Cay International Billfish Tournament and Our very own Robert "The Fly" Navorro is covering the 1st Annual June Moon Tournament in St.Thomas. Check in daily to see updates and results. Next week we round out the Bahamas Billfish Championships in Boat Harbour. This should be exciting to see who will win the 2000 title. Tournament updates will continue and in the near future we will have a system where you will be able to choose the tournaments updates of your choice. InTheBite.com http://www.inthebite.com The Crews Source

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http://www.inthebite.com We are currently covering the 17th Annual Treasure Cay International Billfish Tournament and Our very own Robert "The Fly" Navorro is covering the 1st Annual June Moon Tournament in St.Thomas. Check in daily to see updates and results. Next week we round out the Bahamas Billfish Championships in Boat Harbour. This should be exciting to see who will win the 2000 title. Tournament updates will continue and in the near future we will have a system where you will be able to choose the tournaments updates of your choice. InTheBite.com http://www.inthebite.com The Crews Source

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Here is a sight that claims to list the "Deadly Dozen" http://www.islandroots.com/finecast/products.htm I posted the same q a while back and told all I was going to take a poll. Let me have a day to dig up those results. Jamie http://clik.to/flyfish – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What are your favorite flies for fly fishing brookies?  I’ve had quite a bit of luck at times with muddler minows and a few other flies, but I’m really not an expert fly fisherman. What works best for you?  Which flies, and what type of presentation? — Richard Jackson Before you buy.

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I always try to match the hatch. Watch what is in the air over the water or kneel down and grab some rocks to see what is there. Presentation: if you are trying to duplicate what is in the air use dry flies, in the water use wet flies – latter category almost always nymphs. WLM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What are your favorite flies for fly fishing brookies?  I’ve had quite a bit of luck at times with muddler minows and a few other flies, but I’m really not an expert fly fisherman. What works best for you?  Which flies, and what type of presentation? — Richard Jackson Before you buy.

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What are your favorite flies for fly fishing brookies?  I’ve had quite a bit of luck at times with muddler minows and a few other flies, but I’m really not an expert fly fisherman. What works best for you?  Which flies, and what type of presentation? — Richard Jackson Before you buy.

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What are your favorite flies for fly fishing brookies?  I’ve had quite a bit of luck at times with muddler minows and a few other flies, but I’m really not an expert fly fisherman. What works best for you?  Which flies, and what type of presentation?

I try to "match the hatch" whenever possible.  If I am fishing for dinner, I will open up the first one that I catch and see what it has been feeding on.  I usually start out with a stonefly or a Royal Coachman.  As you probably know, Brookies can be extremely frustrating to catch at times.  If you get one to follow or even take a swipe at your bait/fly/lure and he doesn’t take it, leave him alone and come back later and try again.  If a brookie has found a nice spot in the stream, he may stay within a few yards of that spot for months. — "Our eyes and hands and feet will give us the same assistance in doing mischief as in doing good; but it would not therefore be better for the world, that all mankind were blind and lame.  Arms are not to be laid aside by honest men, because carried by assassins and ruffians; they are to be used the rather for this very reason." -George Campbell (1719-1796)

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I’ve attended two of last three Denver shows (‘95 & ‘97).  It’s going be a tough call as to which trade show to attend for 1998;  Denver or Salt Lake….Attending both can stretch a small budget.  I’m passing to see how this whole political matter shakes out. I received letters from both Orvis & Umpqua indicating they will not attend EITHER show.  The lists I’ve received about both shows’ attendees shows a heavier representation of the major rod companies at Salt Lake City Show.  My feeling is more people are favoring Salt Lake.

I’d say that Orvis doesn’t need to attend.  They have a huge network of shops, and lodges, and strong mail order operation.  They hardly need to do another show. Umpquah, I’m not so sure about.  While they still seem to be the number one supplier of flies, I can help but wonder about their solvency in the present market.  For instance, they used to have a web presence of sorts at flyfishers.com.  They now seem to be doing their site inhouse and it’s a real stinker.  A company like umpqua would be expected to leave such work to pros – highly paid ones – to ensure the highest quality.  Look at The winston and orvis sites – these are very well done sites and did not come cheap.  What’s up with Umpqua? A little trouble in paradise? </c

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve attended two of last three Denver shows (‘95 & ‘97).  It’s going be a tough call as to which trade show to attend for 1998;  Denver or Salt Lake….Attending both can stretch a small budget.  I’m passing to see how this whole political matter shakes out. I received letters from both Orvis & Umpqua indicating they will not attend EITHER show.  The lists I’ve received about both shows’ attendees shows a heavier representation of the major rod companies at Salt Lake City Show.  My feeling is more people are favoring Salt Lake. I’d say that Orvis doesn’t need to attend.  They have a huge network of shops, and lodges, and strong mail order operation.  They hardly need to do another show. Umpquah, I’m not so sure about.  While they still seem to be the number one supplier of flies, I can help but wonder about their solvency in the present market.  For instance, they used to have a web presence of sorts at flyfishers.com.  They now seem to be doing their site inhouse and it’s a real stinker.  A company like umpqua would be expected to leave such work to pros – highly paid ones – to ensure the highest quality.  Look at The winston and orvis sites – these are very well done sites and did not come cheap.  What’s up with Umpqua? A little trouble in paradise? </c

      Yes, it’s my understanding they’ve been bought out.                                                             John Popp                                                        in Sanford Fl.

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Jon—You’re correct,  Umpqua has been purchased by an investment group.  I’m sure their main focus is ROI & Dennis Black is happily retired.  I looked for the hard copy letter they sent to their accounts in making the official anouncement about 5-6 months ago …but couldn’t find it to relay the name of the group. This is what’s been going on in the industry the last few years;  Sage, Scott, Powell etc. to name a few.  Some of the groups are knowldgeable about the industry & some don’t seem to be that well intuned.  Nevertheless they’re business people & put in place execs who are business oriented…which is the way it should be if the focus is ROI.  Ideally, they should be both flyfishng savy & business keen.  Just like everything else…mergers, buy-outs downsizing etc…maybe the industry needs this movement to stay healthy. As for the two shows;  I feel there’s a lot of politics, money & super-egos involved.  It’ll be interesting to observe what transpires.  But I feel the small, independent fly shop is put in a difficult decision mode. CyberFly

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip Umpquah, I’m not so sure about.  While they still seem to be the number one supplier of flies, I can help but wonder about their solvency in the present market.  For instance, they used to have a web presence of sorts at flyfishers.com.  They now seem to be doing their site inhouse and it’s a real stinker.  A company like umpqua would be expected to leave such work to pros – highly paid ones – to ensure the highest quality.  Look at The winston and orvis sites – these are very well done sites and did not come cheap.  What’s up with Umpqua? A little trouble in paradise? </c       Yes, it’s my understanding they’ve been bought out.                                                             John Popp                                                        in Sanford Fl.

Really?  Who, I wonder? If true,it’s not too much of a surprise.  UFM has been plagued with all sorts of internal trouble for years.  The principals may have had enough and packed it in.

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Cyberfly — You raise an excellent question about the future of the business side of flyfishing. It doesn’t seem likely that the "industry" can support two shows. I was surprised to learn that some of the most respected pros in the business are going to the Salt Lake show. I think this is just one more sign that the business side of flyfishing is in for some major shakeups in the immediate future. It’ll be interesting to watch. One of the things I wish for is a company to come along that offers an excellent lightweight saltwater flyrod for $200. BobE. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve attended two of last three Denver shows (‘95 & ‘97).  It’s going be a tough call as to which trade show to attend for 1998;  Denver or Salt Lake….Attending both can stretch a small budget.  I’m passing to see how this whole political matter shakes out. I received letters from both Orvis & Umpqua indicating they will not attend EITHER show.  The lists I’ve received about both shows’ attendees shows a heavier representation of the major rod companies at Salt Lake City Show.  My feeling is more people are favoring Salt Lake. CyberFly

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I’ve attended two of last three Denver shows (‘95 & ‘97).  It’s going be a tough call as to which trade show to attend for 1998;  Denver or Salt Lake….Attending both can stretch a small budget.  I’m passing to see how this whole political matter shakes out. I received letters from both Orvis & Umpqua indicating they will not attend EITHER show.  The lists I’ve received about both shows’ attendees shows a heavier representation of the major rod companies at Salt Lake City Show.  My feeling is more people are favoring Salt Lake. CyberFly

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<<A number of well-written soliloquies.  Could you not excise the few items that belong in a separate category, due to the unfortunate occurences of offennsive language?    Those gutter language quotes could have easily been excised. In fact, it took effort to include them.    They weren’t excluded and their presence show us something of the internal contradictions within Cubic Dog. -Ray

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Like I said, I like it.  Shows you something about the internal contradiction in the Moth. Those gutter language quotes could have easily been excised. In fact, it took effort to include them   They weren’t excluded and their presence show us something of the internal contradictions within Cubic Dog.

- Mothra  (aka Kathy Streletzky)    "Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote                                   The droughte of March hath perced to the roote, . . . Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages."  - Geoffrey Chaucer

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<<A number of well-written soliloquies.  Could you not excise the few items that belong in a separate category, due to the unfortunate occurences of offennsive language?    Those gutter language quotes could have easily been excised. In fact, it took effort to include them.    They weren’t excluded and their presence show us something of the internal contradictions within Cubic Dog. -Ray

Well, this may have something to it, Then again, I think their presence also may intend to show something of the *external* contratictions and conflicts within the sport, in fact, I think that was the point. chipper

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I find your post(and Ray’s) much more offensive than the original poetry that was originally posted. Too bad the both of you are so uptight so as not to see the real meanings behind those words.                    shallow is the depth of some souls                    the hull is inevitibly worn thin                    from years of misuse                                                                       William Davis

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<<I find your post(and Ray’s) much more offensive than the original poetry that was originally posted. Too bad the both of you are so uptight so as not to see the real meanings behind those words.    theknuckle   Badbilly – how many handles do you have in this newsgroup? -Ray

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Badbilly – how many handles do you have in this newsgroup?

Evidently one for each of his personalities:-) I like theKnuckle the best!  How bout you? – Mothra  (aka Kathy Streletzky)    "Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote                                   The droughte of March hath perced to the roote, . . . Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages."  - Geoffrey Chaucer

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The cold monk burns the image of the buddah, reads about the sacred cows and murmors — oh shit it sure is cold.

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Well, little moth girl, "the knuckle" is a type of motor that was made by harley-davidson motorcycles from 1932 to 1947. It is a highly coveted motorcycle. I do have multiple personalities, unlike a lot of people on r.p.b. Work…paddle….work…paddle. I know…some of you are saying, "well, what else is there to do?" The answer is…Plenty! I many past times that I enjoy. From skateboarding, flyfishing, playing nine ball(billiards), and riding and building harley-davidson motorcycles, not to mention scads of other things. enthusiasts. But surely you must know that I always put RPB in my "favorite places" folder so that I can check on all you paddlepeople whenever I want. So, now you know. Paddler…Biker….Fisherman…Pool Shark…Thrillseeker…Bad Billy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Badbilly – how many handles do you have in this newsgroup? Evidently one for each of his personalities:-) I like theKnuckle the best!  How bout you? – Mothra  (aka Kathy Streletzky)   "Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote                                   The droughte of March hath perced to the roote, . . . Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages."  - Geoffrey Chaucer </PRE</HTML

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A number of well-written soliloquies.  Could you not excise the few items that belong in a separate category, due to the unfortunate occurences of offennsive language?

I don’t think so, Robin, re-read it – the "offensive" sections are part of a whole.  Nice-writing, Cubic Dog. – Mothra  (aka Kathy Streletzky)    "Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote                                   The droughte of March hath perced to the roote, . . . Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages."  - Geoffrey Chaucer

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A number of well-written soliloquies.  Could you not excise the few items that belong in a separate category, due to the unfortunate occurences of offennsive language?

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I like it! shimmering the warriors small boat vanishes on the eddy line his soul intact

- Mothra  (aka Kathy Streletzky)    "Whan that Aprill with his shoures soote                                   The droughte of March hath perced to the roote, . . . Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages."  - Geoffrey Chaucer

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"Fool!" "The Paddle is the soul,

snip… Very Nice…

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"Rules and laws are always the result of loss of respect and courtesy and are themselves therefore the seeds of failure see to your soul first if you seek mastery"

Well Said Brother

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Awesome poetic commentary!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Fool!" "The Paddle is the soul, see to your soul first or there will be no mastery." The warrior smiles as his children play. These new ones come, I had seen their forebearers come to the crags when I was young, We the clueless clutched and groped our way skyward, tenous pro, lead out on clean placements. They with white scars of chalk showing all the moves, drove bolts and clipped in, stretching out the ladders to touch the heart of fear, climbed glass while we spat on the ground in disgust. They breezed our standards and buried the soul. He had an old land rover, and we pulled the grill off and brought it with us to throw it over the fire to grill some steaks we bought in town the other day. Our canoes were safely ashore high above the water and tied off just in case. It was raining. "Kore wa burauni desu. Chairo no chyokoreeto no keeki desu. Doozo." I took the offered brownie cake, it tasted strongly of herbs. The warrior told me of important things, sex, death, flyfishing, , I watched the stars melt. Years passed and quiet bass fishermen with stealthy trolling motors drift jerkbaits through the camp. The dam is a success. Ten thousand years ago, the warrior walked away from the field at the end of the day his hide intact, only by the grace of God. His seed sees the whole world No field, no lance thrust to parry we pierce ourselves No spoils no freedom dashed at the slavers block we forge our own chains No tribe no belonging ritual to earn we ink and needle our limbs "Fuck You, Bitch" we say in conversation, without meaning or feeling or care The warrior muses on the antinym of competition "Rules and laws are always the result of loss of respect and courtesy and are themselves therefore the seeds of failure see to your soul first if you seek mastery" Fuck you! I can throw ends till you puke watching me I got the flatspin down and I can kick yer butt at rodeo class IV? you call that class IV? I fell asleep That creek roks, I kicked its ass though shimmering the warriors small boat vanishes on the eddy line his soul intact the mystery is fun :wq

The best post to this group in days!

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"Fool!" "The Paddle is the soul, see to your soul first or there will be no mastery." The warrior smiles as his children play. These new ones come, I had seen their forebearers come to the crags when I was young, We the clueless clutched and groped our way skyward, tenous pro, lead out on clean placements. They with white scars of chalk showing all the moves, drove bolts and clipped in, stretching out the ladders to touch the heart of fear, climbed glass while we spat on the ground in disgust. They breezed our standards and buried the soul. He had an old land rover, and we pulled the grill off and brought it with us to throw it over the fire to grill some steaks we bought in town the other day. Our canoes were safely ashore high above the water and tied off just in case. It was raining. "Kore wa burauni desu. Chairo no chyokoreeto no keeki desu. Doozo." I took the offered brownie cake, it tasted strongly of herbs. The warrior told me of important things, sex, death, flyfishing, , I watched the stars melt. Years passed and quiet bass fishermen with stealthy trolling motors drift jerkbaits through the camp. The dam is a success. Ten thousand years ago, the warrior walked away from the field at the end of the day his hide intact, only by the grace of God. His seed sees the whole world No field, no lance thrust to parry we pierce ourselves No spoils no freedom dashed at the slavers block we forge our own chains No tribe no belonging ritual to earn we ink and needle our limbs "Fuck You, Bitch" we say in conversation, without meaning or feeling or care The warrior muses on the antinym of competition "Rules and laws are always the result of loss of respect and courtesy and are themselves therefore the seeds of failure see to your soul first if you seek mastery" Fuck you! I can throw ends till you puke watching me I got the flatspin down and I can kick yer butt at rodeo class IV? you call that class IV? I fell asleep That creek roks, I kicked its ass though shimmering the warriors small boat vanishes on the eddy line his soul intact the mystery is fun :wq

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Looking for sources of info and owner feedback on any aircraft along the lines of the Cessna 180; i.e., taildragger (not necessary, but an option if it is less expensive), good useful load, reasonable speed, 4-6 passenger, simple (no retracts, CS prop OK), IFR.  Usage would be flights from Minneapolis/St.Paul area to northern Minnesota and Canada, with occasional flights out west (Montana, Wyoming), Michigan, Arkansas, and the Carolinas.  Possible flight into grass and dirt strips.  Need good useful load because very few of my fishing buddies are under 200 lbs. each, and I want to fill as many seats plus gear as possible. Keith Miesel Other similar aircraft along these lines would be considered.  I’m just trying to identify my options.

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For carrying a planeload of 200-pounders, plus fishing gear (and I know how that can add up!), you may be looking for a Cessna 206. Great load carrying, plus a big door. The Cessna 180, while it will physically carry a big load, is (at least in the early years) not legal with big loads.  Check gross weight and useful load figures.  Aviation Consumer’s big, two-volume book set of airplane reports (can’t remember the name, and it’s at home) is worth every penny. Great detail on all the popular GA planes. — Tom Gresham, host http://www.guntalk.com (for Gun Talk Radio Show)

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A Cessna 185 will actually outlift a 206 on poundage, but the big door on the 206 makes for easier loading of gear.  My rule is, if you are carrying fannys, use a 185, if cargo, use a 206.  Rough fields also favor the 185. BTW, look at Kenmore Air Harbor’s STC for the 180…they have a 250 pound GW increase weight kit and  40 HP enhancement kit.  They call it a "Super 180". For carrying a planeload of 200-pounders, plus fishing gear (and I know how that can add up!), you may be looking for a Cessna 206. Great load carrying, plus a big door. The Cessna 180, while it will physically carry a big load, is (at least in the early years) not legal with big loads.  Check gross weight and useful load figures.  Aviation Consumer’s big, two-volume book set of airplane reports (can’t remember the name, and it’s at home) is worth every penny. Great detail on all the popular GA planes. — Tom Gresham, host http://www.guntalk.com (for Gun Talk Radio Show)

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Looking for sources of info and owner feedback on any aircraft along the lines of the Cessna 180; i.e., taildragger (not necessary, but an option if it is less expensive), good useful load, reasonable speed, 4-6 passenger, simple (no retracts, CS prop OK), IFR.  Usage would be flights from Minneapolis/St.Paul area to northern Minnesota and Canada, with occasional flights out west (Montana, Wyoming), Michigan, Arkansas, and the Carolinas.  Possible flight into grass and dirt strips.  Need good useful load because very few of my fishing buddies are under 200 lbs. each, and I want to fill as many seats plus gear as possible.

If you are serious about the 4-6 passengers in the 200+ lb category plus fishing gear, plus normal baggage then you are out of the 180/185/206 class of airplane. That kind of requirement is only going to be met by something like a Beaver or an AN-2! BTW the price range of the 180 is $60-85K, the 185 is $75-95K and the 206 will run you from $80-110K. A good Beaver will set you back $175K and the AN2 while cheap to buy is REAL expensive to operate, (in the 40GPH range + a lot of oil & maint). Then you have the problem with certification, insurance etc. Are you sure you want to do this? If you can pare your seat requirement down to a max of three passengers and you, then the 180 with little baggage or a 185 with a little more or a 206 with 5 seats and almost no baggage or fuel might get you by. Or….with a 180/185 or get everyone to a nearby spot on a commercial flight and ferry them over to the fishing hole in two or three loads. Or better yet….get a floatplane and have everyone fly to someplace close and take them to a REALLY good fishing hole! R Wood in Alaska

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Could any one help locate the name of the river in MD that was on TV channel ESPN called Flyfishing America April 1, 1995. I hope to be out that way soon. Thanks

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Could any one help locate the name of the river in MD that was on TV channel ESPN called Flyfishing America April 1, 1995. I hope to be out that way soon. Thanks

Didn’t see the show, but if it was Maryland, it probably was the Gunpowder. Paul DiConza NY Capital District Angler

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I believe the show was filmed on the North Branch of the Potomac below the Randolph Jennings Dam.  The general public cannot fish where the filming took place !!!!  I have fished in that river this spring and caught a few, biggest about 13".  There are large fish in there but they are fish that have been released from hatchery operation  by dam.  1 mile below dam is closed to public.  Gunpowder river north of Baltimore is probably better ‘bet but very busy on weekends and during good hatches.                                                    regards leo

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SAN JUAN defiantly!  great float !!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be in Santa Fe on business and want to spend at least two days fly fishing. Does anybody out there have any recommendations on where to go? Thanks in advance. David

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David The San Juan would be a good idea if you want to fish for big fish on a heavily fished tailwater.   If you are interested in some mountain stream fishing I would recommend streams in the Jemez mountains just east of Santa Fe or some of the streams in the Taos area.  These are all within an hour or so of Santa Fe.  Check with a fly shop in Santa Fe or look at the following "http://www.thereellife.com/reellife/reports.htm". james – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be in Santa Fe on business and want to spend at least two days fly fishing. Does anybody out there have any recommendations on where to go? Thanks in advance. David

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I’ll be in Santa Fe on business and want to spend at least two days fly fishing. Does anybody out there have any recommendations on where to go? Thanks in advance. David

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San Juan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be in Santa Fe on business and want to spend at least two days fly fishing. Does anybody out there have any recommendations on where to go? Thanks in advance. David

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Any fly fishing in New Mexico in late January?

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Any advice about fishing  N.M. in late January?

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| Any advice about fishing  N.M. in late January? It really depends on where you’re going to be in New Mexico.  Its not a small state.  If you’re up north, try the San Juan river below Navajo dam. If the betis are out it can be good. drex         CIRT-ACS  University of New Mexico              

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There are two things I’ve heard wrt keeping bugs at bay:  1) Vitamin B6 when consumed gives one an odor distasteful to bugs  2) Bugs prefer dark colours especially blue Has anyone out there heard concrete evidence to support or refute these statements? Should I ditch my navy blue shirt and buy a white one? Should I start popping B6 supplements?

Scottish midges come out when the light intensity drops below a certain value.  Thus dark clothes will attract them more quickly than light clothes. Exact value of this intensity, and many other interesting facts are given in ‘The Highland Midge’ a little booklet, which is, I believe, a shortened version of the author’s dissertation.  It is available in touristy shops. (I have no financial or other interests in this book.)  There are a lot of different types of midges, with wildly varying lifestyles and habitats. Kees PS For those in Edinburgh: there is a midge genus/type/model called    midge duddingstonii, or something to that effect, called after    Duddingston Loch.  A lot of repellent tests were done around    Achnashellach, prime midge country.  DEET still seems to be recognised    to be the most effective. — Kees Goossens                       Keep in Touch with the Dutch: University of Edinburgh, Scotland   UUCP:  ..!mcsun!uknet!dcs!kgg Wiskunde is bouwen in de geest. — Luitzen Egbertus Jan Brouwer.

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I have heard that if you eat garlic, it will help keep bugs away,   A few years ago, some friends and I decided to test the garlic theory.   There were 4 of us, and each evening I would grind up a dozen or so cloves for the soup.  

WHAT! NO CONTROL GROUP? ——- Ed.

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|If I remember correctly, "The Complete Wilderness Paddler" cites |actual scientific research on the clothing color question. |According to this book (an excellent book by the way), dark |colors attract mosquitoes more than light/bright colors.  Orange is |the best color to wear, followed by colors like yellow, green, white. Unfortunately orange is not the best color to wear when trying to catch that spooky german brown during the evening hatch.  Also, unfortunately when a #14 mosquito might be the best pattern, orange clothing might be the only thing you could where that would allow tolarable fishing conditions. There is this place in the southern part of Sequoia National forest where the mosquitos aren’t as bad as these little biting flies that come out around dusk.  If tying on a fly during failing light isn’t hard enough having a fly intrigued by the batting of your eyelashes makes it almost impossible. I’ve resigned to wearing a head net on such occasions.  That last time I was there we had just hiked out after a few days and were talking with a couple of guys that were waiting for it to cool off a little more before hiking in.  After one of them slapped his arm about the third or fourth time and said, "son of a bitch!",  I said, "you`ll be calling them worse than that before the trips over." — | John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |

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According to this book (an excellent book by the way), dark colors attract mosquitoes more than light/bright colors.  Orange is the best color to wear, followed by colors like yellow, green, white.

   So that explains why all those hikers dressed like a flower are grinning so much.  And I thought it was ignorance.  (I guess it was ignorance – mine).  Still, I’m too macho to look like a spring garden. I’ll just wear my long-sleeved, dark-colored clothing, light up a stinking stogy (works on hikers too!) and head off into the forest. Woody

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Wasn’t there an article in one of the mags recently about backcountry etiquette with regards to bright clothing and equipment?  I guess I’m not suprised that bugs have better taste than some people. Scott Herod

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I have heard that if you eat garlic, it will help keep bugs away, but I eat a fair amount of garlic and it doesn’t seem to help.

   A few years ago, some friends and I decided to test the garlic theory.   There were 4 of us, and each evening I would grind up a dozen or so cloves for the soup.  In addition, I ate it raw with lunch (I like garlic).  Since our canoe trip lasted 14 days, we each consumed a good deal of the stuff.   It’s a good thing we never met anybody on the way.    Well, the bugs paid no attention at all; they were as vicious as ever. By 9 pm, the only thing to do was retreat to the tent and listen to the monsters buzz around.    Maybe you’re supposed to rub it on the skin … —        Computing and Communications Services                Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada K1S 5B6

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I have heard that if you eat garlic, it will help keep bugs away, but I eat a fair amount of garlic and it doesn’t seem to help.   Well, the bugs paid no attention at all; they were as vicious as ever. By 9 pm, the only thing to do was retreat to the tent and listen to the monsters buzz around.   Maybe you’re supposed to rub it on the skin …

This is the conclusion you were supposed to draw. The rumor was started by a gourmet bug club. — The fickleness of the women I love is only equalled by the infernal constancy of the women who love me.–George Bernard Shaw

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There are two things I’ve heard wrt keeping bugs at bay:  1) Vitamin B6 when consumed gives one an odor distasteful to bugs  2) Bugs prefer dark colours especially blue Has anyone out there heard concrete evidence to support or refute these statements? Should I ditch my navy blue shirt and buy a white one? Should I start popping B6 supplements?

If I remember correctly, "The Complete Wilderness Paddler" cites actual scientific research on the clothing color question. According to this book (an excellent book by the way), dark colors attract mosquitoes more than light/bright colors.  Orange is the best color to wear, followed by colors like yellow, green, white. Ed

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There are two things I’ve heard wrt keeping bugs at bay:   1) Vitamin B6 when consumed gives one an odor distasteful to bugs   2) Bugs prefer dark colours especially blue Has anyone out there heard concrete evidence to support or refute these statements? Should I ditch my navy blue shirt and buy a white one? Should I start popping B6 supplements?

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There are two things I’ve heard wrt keeping bugs at bay:  1) Vitamin B6 when consumed gives one an odor distasteful to bugs  2) Bugs prefer dark colours especially blue

My experience growing up in a rice-growing region indicates that mosquitoes definitely prefer dark colors.  I don’t know if blue is particularly more attractive to them than other colors.  Loose fitting light outer garments seem best.  Wear a light-colored hat. I have heard that if you eat garlic, it will help keep bugs away, but I eat a fair amount of garlic and it doesn’t seem to help. — *  Jean Ezell                 *  University of Illinois   * *                             *  Coordinated Science Lab  * *  (217) 244-5536             *  Urbana, IL  61801        *

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