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Pat Gilmore ask: <<Who is in control of this news group? Finecast Murphy

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Who is in control of this news group?

Hm……let’s see now……today is the 3rd, right?  I believe this Mr. Peetah’s week.

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Who is in control of this news group?

No, but they will be on the Simpsons Sunday night. — Charlie…

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Charles Darwin

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

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I would imagine that you took a little grief about announcing your pontoon boat sale on this newsgroup and that you’d like to discuss with the "master" why your ISP is giving you a hard time and what you possibly could have done wrong. Fair enough, but there is no "master". We defer to Ernie and Louie, but only because they have the balls to admit they’re actually old farts. The rest of the old farts around here are in denial. FWIW, Pat, I didn’t fire off a complaint to your ISP because that was the first bit of SPAM I’d seen from your direction and you’d explicitly apologized for it in the body of your SPAM. I don’t doubt though, that other members of this forum did not share my opinion, and sent polite complaints to your ISP. Whatever you had planned to say to the "master" you can say here in open forum. Most of us are assholes, few of us even polite, but there you go, it’s Usenet and you’ll just have to take your chances. I personally don’t mind an OCCASIONAL mention of sales and closeouts from regular contributors to this forum, but if you don’t contribute here, your commercials are not likely to be welcome here. That’s just my opinion, of course, and of the 112 regular posters here my opinion is worth somewhat less than 1/112. So, you were saying … — Ken Fortenberry

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That would be Manos. You know, the "hands of fate"? " The master will see you now……" -Muskie

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ROFL.  Good one!

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… We defer to Ernie and Louie, but only because they have the balls to admit they’re actually old farts. The rest of the old farts around here are in denial.

I am SO sorry, how on earth could I have forgotten Frank Church "the masseuse magnet" and John Popp "the one man militia". Please forgive the old fart oversight. — Ken Fortenberry

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Who is in control of this news group? Hm……let’s see now……today is the 3rd, right?  I believe this Mr. Peetah’s week.

Typical, one of the worst weeks in ROFF history and it’s all my fault. Peter (counting the days to Wolfie’s week)

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

You are. — "Our eyes and hands and feet will give us the same assistance in doing mischief as in doing good; but it would not therefore be better for the world, that all mankind were blind and lame. Arms are not to be laid aside by honest men, because carried by assassins and ruffians; they are to be used the rather for this very reason." -George Campbell

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

No,no,no, Pat.  What is in control of this news group.  Who’s gone fishing in someone’s pontoon boat. Louie

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Well, and someone doesn’t give it to anyone, ya know. Who knows, but then again, he’s out fishing with someone’s boat. Ask anyone! Noone will tell you what is in control. Herman, someone too. Who is in control of this news group? Finecast No,no,no, Pat.  What is in control of this news group.  Who’s gone fishing in someone’s pontoon boat. Louie

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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_______  Did someone call? — George Gehrke http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html   affordable bamboo flyrods & blanks For the Book of Gink: : )  Fly fishing is so much fun its something you should be able to do in bed.

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Who is in control of this news group?

That would be me. What did you want, my son? Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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Lucky for you Ken, or I wuz gonna borrow one of John’s guns…… I do appreciate the remembrance tho, one does not work this hard for 67 yrs to lose ones’ old fart status to a Bud induced brain fart. <g Frank (massuese magnet) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … We defer to Ernie and Louie, but only because they have the balls to admit they’re actually old farts. The rest of the old farts around here are in denial. I am SO sorry, how on earth could I have forgotten Frank Church "the masseuse magnet" and John Popp "the one man militia". Please forgive the old fart oversight. — Ken Fortenberry

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ahem, Please cite your reference. And, it’s Chain-sign. The whole song is about stopping what you are doing to start doing it, or doing what they always say not to do – Daring to be stupid as it were. Thanks for reminding me of the song… Much thanks to Al Y. for the amusing albums. T. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who is in control of this news group? That would be me. What did you want, my son? Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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ahem, Please cite your reference. And, it’s Chain-sign. The whole song is about stopping what you are doing to start doing it, or doing what they always say not to do – Daring to be stupid as it were.

Your wish is my command (it’s "chainsaw", not that I have the CD or anything): Dare To Be Stupid    Put down that chainsaw and listen to me    It’s time for us to join in the fight    It time to let your babies grow up to be cowboys    It time to let the bed bugs bite    You better put all your eggs in one basket    You better count your chickens before they hatch    You better sell some wine before its time    You better find yourself an itch to scratch    You better squeeze all the charmin you can    When Mr. Whipple’s not around    Stick your head in the microwave and get yourself a tan    Talk with your mouth full    Bite the hand that feeds you    Bite off more than you can chew    What can you do?    Dare to be stupid    Take some wooden nickels    Look for Mr. Goodbar    Get your mojo working now    I’ll show you how    You can    Dare to be stupid    You can turn the other cheek    You can just give up the ship    You can eat a bunch of sushi and forget to leave a tip    Dare to be stupid    Come on and dare to be stupid    It’s so easy to do    Dare to be stupid    We’re all waiting for you       Lets go    It’s time to make a mountain out of a molehill    So can I have a volunteer    There’s no more time for crying over spilt milk    Now it’s time for crying in your beer    Settle down raise a family join the PTA    Buy some sensible shoes and a chevrolet    Then party til you’re broke and they drag you away    It’s okay    You can dare to be stupid    It’s like spitting on a fish    It’s like barking up a tree    It’s like they say you gotta buy one if you want    To get one free    Dare to be stupid    Yeah why don’t you dare to be stupid    It’s so easy to do    Dare to be stupid    We’re all waiting for you    Dare to be stupid    Burn your candle at both ends    Look a gift horse in the mouth    Mashed potatoes can be your friends    You can be a coffee achiever    You can sit around the house and Leave It To Beaver    The Future’s up to you    So what you gonna do    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    What did I say?    Dare to be stupid    Tell me what did I say?    Dare to be stupid    It’s alright    Dare to be stupid    We can be stupid all night    Dare to be stupid    Come on join the crowd    Dare to be stupid    Shout it out loud    Dare to be stupid    I can’t hear you    Dare to be stupid    Okay, I can hear you now    Dare to be stupid    Let’s go    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid Thanks for reminding me of the song…

Yeah, dammit, I’ve had that song stuck in my head ever since Mike put it in his sig. ,      - Ken — "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness.  You have to catch it yourself."      -Ben Franklin

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

This is gonna be fun!

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast This is gonna be fun!

Harry Mason www.Troutflies.com

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Hello all; Looking for recommendations for a good smallmouth streams in the King of Prussia, Pennsylvania area.  I will be in the Hatboro/Philadelphia area on business Thursday and plan on a little fly fishing Thursday night and Friday.  I will be wading.  Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Joe

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A decent smallie area is the Perkiomen watershed park at routes 73 and 29 just outside of Collegeville (its in Schwenksville to be technical). Another area is the Evansburg park area on Germantown Pike. I can give you better directions if either sound appealing. Ron

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And I thought I wouldn’t *ever* get my own thread. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC "If you’re not the lead dog, the view never changes." Tom Browns Bastard is causing ROFF to rave, a thread has been engendered, the results of this are grave, but he can go casting on ! casting over seventy feet, with a quick flick of the wrist, will cause most Orvis owners here to shake an angry fist, but  he will go casting on ! His spouse is not quite certain, what the ruckus is about, all this talk of Bastards, is causing her some doubt, but he will go casting on ! the waiting and the hoping now has not been all in vain, Tom at last is getting his awaited fighting cane, and he will go casting on ! Now Tom is the lead dog, and the view has changed for him, he is getting the first Bastard, with a special coloured trim, and he will go casting on ! lets hope he catches plenty, and enjoys his fishing too, perhaps he will be kind enough to give us a review, as he goes casting on ! TL MC

Thanks for the smile Mike…. –Walt To fish is soliloquy.

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George,  You sending this to yourself? David NB – when the rods really make an impact you can put the price up to include a ‘doubters’ premium"! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (snipped) Trust me.  I couldn’t have picked a better Bastard to send the proto type to.  It was made with great care and it is a casting delight. Couldn’t have picked a better man. I’m gone. — Mr. G. ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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Here I am, enjoying the hospitality of the venerable Louie LaPlac.   As much as I have enjoyed the company of the legendary Joanne and Louie, the Orvis thing is true.  Here I sit surrounded by Orvis paraphenalia.  An Orvis lamp, Orvis garbage can – - – Orvis parachutes!!!   Even Orvis socks.   I can’t take this much longer.  T-Bone help.  Drive up here in your Orvis Jeep and save me. Peter Charles Dave LaCourse

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Peter Charles drunkenly writes:

(snipperooooooo) << I can’t take this much longer.  T-Bone help.  Drive up here in your Orvis Jeep and save me. and is "mellow".  Don’t believe him.  Great guy, Peter.  Great wife, Delightfully Drunk Dave

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wayno I’ve just had a wondeful dinner in the company of the legendary Joanne  . . . oh, and Dave too. have a nice day, Peter

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fellers…11:47 pm and you’ve just had a wonderful dinner??  i sense that a case of sleemans must have been the appetizer, eh? BTW, peter, you’ll be happy to know that your old one weight was deftly handled by forty in the blue ridge and bent frequently in a nice arc with a feisty carolina brookie on the fly…though he alleged the rod assisted him in the catch, i know (and he later admitted) it was actually the hat he acquired at Faye’s Store in Linville.  are you guys coming to forty’s fall ball in the smokies? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wayno I’ve just had a wondeful dinner in the company of the legendary Joanne  . . . oh, and Dave too. have a nice day, Peter

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fellers…11:47 pm and you’ve just had a wonderful dinner??  i sense that a case of sleemans must have been the appetizer, eh?

jeff, can you believe these guys? a pair of profligitic reprobates if there ever was. here we are down here in NC, ever without the opportunity to indulge and fish….and these rusty recreants have to rub our noses in it. a pox on ‘em i say. oh well, i couldn’t get away to gatlinburg for the fff clave…. i’ll just have to be content explorin’ b****** crik later today with that no-good scuppernonger, mccray. ski ya, waldo — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Oh, we don’t feel good this morning.  After much oj and good coffee, we are off to see some of the places where we Yankees kicked the mush out of King George’s fellows.  Of course Peter will approach these places with tight jaws, but what the hey. Dave I think I’ve found a new calling in life, giving history lessons to these damn Yankees. Peter

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Weel, once upon a time my friends and I were headed up to Great Lakes steelhead fishery one fall on our first ever steelhead trip. Not really knowing much about it,  suggested we stop at a shop and get the skinny so to speak.  Being new to the sport and having  a fly fishing type magazine in my possession I looked in the directory and found an Orvis shop which we DETOURED to stop at. Bearded, beered and heavily smoked we stopped in to get the latest.  About the best we could do was have one of the clerks, not yet of shaving age, offer to take our….ahem…group, fishing at the price of a hundred dollars a day per man for a half day. To which I studiously replied that I just wanted some recommendations on what flies to use.  Evidently afraid that we might accidentally brush up against some of the finer clothing hanging on the racks we were…rather unceremoniously I thought, given the brush off. However, this perturbed not my good friend Chuck who marched right up to the young feller and said, "Ah the hell with it. Just gimme a dozen night crawlers." I laugh to this day…….john

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Here I am, enjoying the hospitality of the venerable Louie LaPlac.   As much as I have enjoyed the company of the legendary Joanne and Louie, the Orvis thing is true.  Here I sit surrounded by Orvis paraphenalia.  An Orvis lamp, Orvis garbage can – - – Orvis parachutes!!!   Even Orvis socks.   I can’t take this much longer.  T-Bone help.  Drive up here in your Orvis Jeep and save me.

I would but I might be going to the Frying Pan in the AM and I’m going to need all my strength up there….I’m afraid you’re on your own.   (A hint though…unravel one of the orvis socks when LaCourse hits the Orvis pillow….and tie up a few Bromodrosis Caddis) Your pal, — TimW

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..and tie up a few Bromodrosis Caddis) Yep, had you pegged as a Zappa fan years ago! brent

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wayno I’ve just had a wondeful dinner in the company of the legendary Joanne  . . . oh, and Dave too. have a nice day, Peter

        the hem of her garment…the hem of her garment… i weep. wayno

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wayno I’ve just had a wondeful dinner in the company of the legendary Joanne  . . . oh, and Dave too. have a nice day, Peter the hem of her garment…the hem of her garment… i weep. wayno

Try amadou, soaks up the tears much better ! TL MC

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[deleted] Bearded, beered and heavily smoked we stopped in to get the latest.

[deleted] Alder or Hickory ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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[deleted] Bearded, beered and heavily smoked we stopped in to get the latest. [deleted] Alder or Hickory ?

I was thinking he meant a bit farther south.  :-~7 Joe F.

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      the hem of her garment…the hem of her garment… i weep. wayno

Such profound depth of feeling! Bill the sympathetic. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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wayno Such profound depth of feeling! Bill the sympathetic. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

        hell, if you could see the picture, you’d know the fount of the feeling.  :) wayno

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      hell, if you could see the picture, you’d know the fount of the feeling.  :)

I’ll take your word for it, Wayne:-) Bill the trusting. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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Bill, please come to the ‘clave and meet her.  I know a year’s lead time is a bit much, but there is a spot reserved for you and our other European ROFFers.  ( I know, I know, the United Kingdom is NOT part of Europe.  <g) Dave L.

        and wales is definitely *not* the u.k.  twyll dyn pob sais!         wayno

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wayno and Bill wax poetically: <<wayno Such profound depth of feeling! Bill the sympathetic. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

        hell, if you could see the picture, you’d know the fount of the feeling.  :) Bill, please come to the ‘clave and meet her.  I know a year’s lead time is a bit much, but there is a spot reserved for you and our other European ROFFers.  ( I know, I know, the United Kingdom is NOT part of Europe.  <g) Dave L.

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Bill, please come to the ‘clave and meet her.  I know a year’s lead time is a bit much, but there is a spot reserved for you and our other European ROFFers.  ( I know, I know, the United Kingdom is NOT part of Europe.  <g) Dave L.       and wales is definitely *not* the u.k.  twyll dyn pob sais!       wayno

Brilliant – right on! — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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      and wales is definitely *not* the u.k.  twyll dyn pob sais! Brilliant – right on!

Bill,  Do you think our attentive N American friends will have noticed that Wales stuffed USA (53 pts to 24) at Rugby the other day..?  And Canada 33 pts to 19 the week before?  :-) "What’s Rugby?" they’ll probably say…  :-( — Phil Jones

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"What’s Rugby?" they’ll probably say…  :-(

Rugby is a sport designed by ruffians and played by gentlemen. Football (soccer) is a sport designed by gentlemen and played by ruffians. We have excellent club Rugby here at the UI. Most of the team is quite rugged and quite happily gay. — Ken Fortenberry

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What’s Rugby?" they’ll probably say…  :-

A great game I used to play a hundred pounds and twenty years ago. Down in NW Florida, my team stunk as did I but the four years I played the game were the years I were in the best physical condition of my life and got quite a few dates afterwards with the lovely southern belles who came to watch us. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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Phil Jones writes:

<<"What’s Rugby?" they’ll probably say…  :-( Rugby?  Isn’t that a shirt company.  You, know, Rugby Shirts.  <g I played it, not too successfully, in the Azores, Portugal back in the early 60’s.  Miserably  rough game introduced to us by a couple of Brit airmen.  After one of the Americans lost a tooth in one of the games, the dental officer insisted we all get fitted with mouth pieces.  That made the Brits *real* happy!  <g Dave LaCourse

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"What’s Rugby?" they’ll probably say…  :-(

Tried it in Miami Fl. back in 1971, all 124 lbs. of me.  It was neither the first nor the last time that I involved myself in something I was not equipped for.  I’d like to say it taught me a valuable lesson, but I think not.  Ah well, they say wisdom comes with age.  I am furiously collecting as much age as I can in the hope that I will become a wise man.  Not much luck so far.

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"What’s Rugby?" they’ll probably say…  :-(

Isn’t Rugby that cheap copy of NFL football that they started in Canada?  The one where they all start off with a big group hug and the funky goal posts and rules? Warren

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–snip– I drive an SUV just to prove that my penis extension is larger than yours. don’t it just piss ya off. hahahahaha |Bill and Dawn ‘94 Ford Bronco |               ‘85 Honda Magna V30       |               ‘72 Olds Cutlass Supreme | |Sure it’s an overgrown stationwagon. What’s your point? |   |Email address changed due to growing Auto-SPAM.

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Sure, a 12 year old subaru = will get you to any ski area or through the worst weather Buffalo = has to offer, but it won’t make your neighbours go ‘oooh’.

Not this neighbor.  Try  

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On July 6 a float tuber on Henry’s Lake drowned.  He flipped his tube and was able to get his head above water.  The article said he flipped it while trying to exit near shore.  I think it would pay to keep a knife readily accessible so one could pop the tube if necessary.  Any thoughts?

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On July 6 a float tuber on Henry’s Lake drowned.  He flipped his tube and was able to get his head above water.  The article said he flipped it while trying to exit near shore.  I think it would pay to keep a knife readily accessible so one could pop the tube if necessary.  Any thoughts?

Hi Richard Several years ago I had a similar thing happen to me and would have drowned had a friend not been there to help. I’m not sure if a knife would have helped because I was in a bit of a panic while it was happening and I’m not sure if I would have been cleared headed enough to use it. Anyway shortly after that incident I purchased a pontoon kick/row boat and don’t have to face the problem every float tuber faces — that’s getting in and out of the water with a tube. The actual time in the tube is fairly safe but if you are going to make a mistake it will be when getting in or out of the tube. At least that’s what happened to me. Now you avid tubers don’t get excited, I switched to a pontoon boat for a different reason that you may suspect. As a man who’s getting older getting my crotch in the cold water resulted in a quick trip back to the bank to get rid of water. This doesn’t happen with a pontoon boat because only the bottom part of my leg is in the water. Take care & … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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On July 6 a float tuber on Henry’s Lake drowned.  He flipped his tube and was able to get his head above water.  The article said he flipped it while trying to exit near shore.  I think it would pay to keep a knife readily accessible so one could pop the tube if necessary.  Any thoughts?

Yes. This was discussed last year too. There was also some discussion of tube failure. See following: Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: All USENET — www.net-link.com As a follow-up to a rather long and lively discussion of float tube safety here a few weeks ago I’d like to report on a near fatal incident I witnessed recently:   I was fishing Chopaka Lake, located in the N.E. portion of Washington state, near Okanagon at about 10:00 AM last Friday, June 7 when a float tube about 200 yards away suddenly ruptured with a loud boom (it sounded very much like a cherry bomb firecracker exploding on the surface of the water), followed immediately by the sound of frantic thrashing in the water.  I quickly pivoted my pontoon/kick boat to see a man about 100 yards away entangled in his float tube remains frantically attempting to swim to the shore – about 100 feet away. The secondary seat-back/safety tube was inflated and more or less being dragged along with the tube carcass somewhat behind and to the side of the victim. I managed to intercept him just as he was able to regain his footing, about 10 feet from shore in about 3 feet of water. He appeared to be exhausted and was extremely shaken by the incident. I spoke to him briefly after he had made it to shore and recovered somewhat.  He indicated that the float tube, including the inner tube, was about 10 years old (and it appeared to be quite weathered) and had developed a leak just the day before, which he had repaired with what looked like a standard, adhesive based, patch.  When he unzipped the tube we discovered a longitudinal rip, about 1-1/2 feet long, an inch or so below the inner-tube ’seam’ line.  About this time another angler in a row boat arrived to give the fellow a ride back to the campground on the other side of the lake so I was unable to examine the tube or get any further information.   I found this incident EXTREMELY disturbing, not only due to the near fatality of it (I doubt he could have made it another 100 feet) but also due to the sudden, catastrophic, nature of the float tube failure.  I mean this thing just suddenly, and without any real forewarning, EXPLODED and essentially sank on the spot.  I had previously assumed that the failure mode on these things would most likely be a fairly slow, though perhaps accelerating leak, that would give the occupant enough time to plan a strategy and respond accordingly.   I really regret that I did not have a chance to interview the victim or examine the tube further.  If anyone has additional information on this, or similar incidents, I would love to hear from them.  In lieu of that I have a few additional observations that might be of interest:    1)  The tube was a standard Caddis brand float tube (not a U-tube) and, as previously mentioned, about 10 years old.  It appeared to be quite weathered and faded but without any obvious patches, tears or other sign of abuse or problems.   2)  The inner tube had been deflated and re-installed just the day before.  This may suggest that perhaps the inner tube had not been placed or inflated properly, causing it to bind and stress the failed section.   3)  All the float tube seams and fabric appeared to be intact, with only the inner tube ruptured.  This really surprised me.  I had previously assumed that the inner tube could not rupture unless the encasing nylon structure had failed.  I may have overlooked something since I had very little time to examine the tube, but I can’t believe I could have overlooked a 1 1/2 foot tear!   4)  The tube ruptured with a very loud boom, suggesting excessive pressure may have been a factor.  I expect that at a typical rated float tube inflation pressure of 1-3 PSI such a rupture would make more of a ‘whoosh’ instead of the explosive noise we witnessed.  Don’t know for sure though.  Anyone out there willing to do the experiment <g?  Temperatures were pretty mild (probably about 70F at the time) but altitude (about 3000 feet) may have been a factor.  I know that both my pontoon boat and my wife’s float tube had to be deflated somewhat to accommodate the change in conditions (sea-level to 3000′). One other general observation that may bear on this:  About 2 years ago I had to replace a float tube inner tube that had deflated itself over the winter.  When I pulled the inner tube I discovered it had developed a series of closely spaced holes, along the circumference of the tube, in line with the float tube seam stitching.  It appeared that the seam stitching had stressed the rubber material (I had left the tube inflated year-around) causing it to fail.  The net effect was almost like a "tear on the line" perforation on a magazine pull-out. Mine did not tear or rupture, but the hole pattern could have conceivably led to that, particularly if the tube had been over-inflated or improperly re-installed.   I offer this report and these observations with the hope it will stimulate further discussion about the potential hazards of these marvelously useful devices.  Anyone with additional information or suggestions should feel free to email me or post follow-ups to this message.  I would also encourage any of you authors out there (or would be authors) to consider addressing this as a service to your fellow angler.  There are a lot of float tubes out there – and a lot of OLD float tubes for that matter – and I suspect we’ll be hearing more and more about this in the future.  My fervent hope is that we can avoid losing some of our angling brethren in the process.   -Wes Wes Neuenschwander Seattle, WA Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Kado’s Sand & Gravel I experienced a float tube failure last year.  My 11 year old tube was going strong, but one afternoon I noticed it had gone a bit soft.  Assuming the kids were letting the air out, I stopped at the gas station on the way to the pond.   Thoughout the evening I had headphones on, listening to the Broncos get rather thoroughly trounced by the Raiders.  About the end of the game, I noticed my elbows were getting wet.  Upon removing the headphones, I could hear the leak bubbling under water.  I paddled over to the shore, and got out.  No panic, no catastrophic failure.  I am clueless as to how a float tube, with no more than about 3lbs of air pressure, could fail with a catastrophic bang.  No offense to the originator of this thread, but I would have to hear it to believe it. The truck tire inner tube I use in my Buck’s Bag Float tube was over 10 years old.  Whan I stretched it out, obvious cracking in the rubber suggested a complete replacement was in order, rather than a patch.  Had I patched and continued to use this old tube, it will have failed again soon.  I would not want to have a rapid air loss, that would be no fun! So, in the future I will remember to replace my inner tube every 5 years.   That should be about a 50% overkill, since my first one lasted more than 10 years.  That will be in the year 2000, easy to remember. The previous thread about someone drowning in a float tube accident has sure led me to be more careful when getting in and out of the water.  That is the only time I ever feel vulnerable to getting up side down.  I have also replaced the inner tube "second chamber" with a couple of life preservers.  This is safer than a inner tube and satisfies the requirement in most states that you much have on board any water craft a life preserver for each occupant. — Hewlett Packard, ESL R&D, MS55 Ft. Collins, CO  80525

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Regarding float tube safety, we have a standard practice of getting into fins, and tube on shore, then walking backwards into the water.  I agree, a knife would be hard to use in a panic, I think I would go for the release down between my legs and try and slide out…. On a side note, I did have a friend who passed out in a float tube last year, leaned forward and ended up drowning…..no one could get to her quick enough. We still thought something else went wrong, flipping a tube by simply leaning forward should be impossible, its not, we did some experiments and found that you can "flip" a tube if you lean forward for a you can help each other if needed, besides, the conversation, pictures and landing that "big one" or the 4 inch brookie is much more fun with someone to share it with!

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I think a two inch diameter tube would be nice to breath through while your cutting up the tube or trying to flip back. I used to own a Browning tube and I would probably drown before I was able to cut my way out of the tube. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On July 6 a float tuber on Henry’s Lake drowned.  He flipped his tube and was able to get his head above water.  The article said he flipped it while trying to exit near shore.  I think it would pay to keep a knife readily accessible so one could pop the tube if necessary.  Any thoughts?

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 going to the hiawasse Nov 1 for the weekend and would like some info on what to tie up and how the fishing is this time of year? please e mail me thank you, Kent K. Anderson

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 going to the hiawasse

Are you asking about the Hiwassee in southeastern Tennessee? If so, maybe I can give you some info. Dave — Visit Dave Teffeteller’s Fly Fishing Guides page http://www.olfart.com

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 going to the hiawasse Nov 1 for the weekend and would like some info on what to tie up and how the fishing is this time of year? please e mail me thank you, Kent K. Anderson

Kent: You might find something on LJ Decuir’s page: http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~ldecuir/default.html —Rich

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I have heard that this creek can offer great fishing and is blue ribbon, but I have also heard that it is not worth looking at. CAn anyone shed some light on the creek for me, because I am planing to go up there this Sunday. Also if it is possible, maybe someone can direct me to a good place to start from in the morning, and give me an idea of what sort of flies I should bring along. I would really appreciate anything anyone has to say about this creek. TimFLYFISH

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I have heard that this creek can offer great fishing and is blue ribbon, but I have also heard that it is not worth looking at. CAn anyone shed some light on the creek for me, because I am planing to go up there this Sunday. Also if it is possible, maybe someone can direct me to a good place to start from in the morning, and give me an idea of what sort of flies I should bring along. I would really appreciate anything anyone has to say about this creek. TimFLYFISH

The lower portion, near and in Lake Solano is a put and take fishery, heavily stocked.  Good fishing, good luck avoiding the worm drowners.  The upper portion, near Montecello dam is a blue ribbon wild trout fishery.  I have seen 30"+ browns rise for a bat!  (how to tie that one   Very difficult fishing, and often rather dangerous.  Swift current and bouldery bottom.   Your next step could be 5′ straight down off an underwater ledge.  Fish are heavily fished and very wary.  Prepare to get skunked.  Some very good FFers I know can only claim 1 fish in 10 years of fishing there, but it was a 26" brown.  Above the Montecello dam is a warm water lake, and bellow the lake solano dam gets dried to nothing in dry summers, so fish are scarce. Good luck, and whatever you do, don’t embarass yourself by trying to claim there were no fish there. Lenny Bloksberg . .

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Tim, I too wish you luck, I went up to the Monticello Dam area a couple of weeks after the March Monsters blew through here and had a hard time recognizing the area. There were HUGE landslides. Basically, there was no access to a badly overfished area. I tried clambering over new stream channels, the access bridge was GONE and so were the trails to the the base of the dam. I haven’t been back, I’ll look again after the Power Baiters are gone. John E.

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]I have heard that this creek can offer great fishing and is blue ribbon, ]but I have also heard that it is not worth looking at. CAn anyone shed ]some light on the creek for me, because I am planing to go up there this ]Sunday. Also if it is possible, maybe someone can direct me to a good ]place to start from in the morning, and give me an idea of what sort of ]flies I should bring along. I would really appreciate anything anyone has ]to say about this creek. ]TimFLYFISH Tim, I believe the better flyfishing at Putah is from Nov-March, because that’s when the flows are lower, and they restrict fishing in the upper section to artificials, single barbless hook, C&R.  This time of year, you’re battling bait dunkers and the higher flows. Effective patterns I’ve heard of (in the winter) include PT nymphs or blue wing olive nymphs, size 18-22. A good friend (and reliable source) told me that he went in February or March, and that they had had some kind of disastorous mudslide in the upper section, just above the Highway 128 bridge.  He said you couldn’t even see some of the boulders in the river, because they were covered with a mud sludge.  They had construction crews with heavy equipment out there, trying to smooth the land where the slide had occurred. I hope it’s recovered somewhat since then.  Please keep us posted on how you did and the river conditions.  Thanks, Bill Uyeki

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I have heard that this creek can offer great fishing and is blue ribbon, but I have also heard that it is not worth looking at. CAn anyone shed some light on the creek for me, because I am planing to go up there this Sunday. Also if it is possible, maybe someone can direct me to a good place to start from in the morning, and give me an idea of what sort of flies I should bring along. I would really appreciate anything anyone has to say about this creek. TimFLYFISH

I ‘ve fished Putah for almost 20 years and its really gone downhill in the last 10 or so.  Erratic water flows, streamside erosion, overfishing have taken their toll.  Seams to me that there could be the potential for a blue ribbon fishery but it clearly ain’t one now. Garrick

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From what I have heard, I am glad that I didn’t end up going. A late night stoped the morning trip. I probably won’t on going there again if what you have said is true. Thank you for the info.

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Well 6/7/95, Mammoth fishing is still slow.  Crowley is near dead. 17-20" browns and even smaller rainbows on olive buggers with flash. I say forget Mammoth for now.  Air Temps in the 50S.  Still needs to warm up and water needs to clear.

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Try fishing at Parking Lot #3; good pocket water, as well as large surface water.

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Try fishing at Parking Lot #3; good pocket water, as well as large surface water.

I have seen the name Putah Creek in more than one location. Where is this one? Thanks, Michael Paine

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I have seen the name Putah Creek in more than one location. Where is this one? Thanks, Michael Paine

It’s between the Bay Area and Sacramento.  Below Lake Berryessa.                  /                                                           John Woodling                 /                                                           Sacramento, CA                /                   "The lure of fishing is that it is the pursuit of that which is elusive, yet attainable……an endless series of occasions for hope"

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I will be travelling in Europe this Spring and have thought to do a little fly fishing.  If there is anyone out there with knowlede of freshwater fishing in Norway or Spain/Portugal (Pyrenes) I would be greatful.  Please post publicaly so others might benefit.  Thanks Grant C. Hughes Portland, OR  (Home of the Deschutes Red Side)

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I will be travelling in Europe this Spring and have thought to do a little fly fishing.  If there is anyone out there with knowlede of freshwater fishing in Norway or Spain/Portugal (Pyrenes) I would be greatful.  Please post publicaly so others might benefit.  Thanks Grant C. Hughes Portland, OR  (Home of the Deschutes Red Side)

Grant! Being a norwegian….I’ll be more than happy to give you some advice and info., but I do need a little more details from you…..especially when you are planning to go, where in Norway (if you are on business) and how much time you got to spend. Spring is a pretty broad term, especially in a country like Norway where we can have spring down south when they still got 6 weeks of winter left further north. In general, I can say that trout season would start sometime in April (a littel dependant where you are) while the salmon season starts mid-May in some rivers and June 1 in most. There is little guided fishing for trout, although opportunities are plenty. Guided salmon fishing is available on most of the bigger rivers (if you can afford the cost). Although I’ve been to Spain and Portugal on a few occasions, I’ve never flyfished and can’t offer any help, but maybe someone else can. Tight lines! Inge Solberg Houston, TX

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RB, Grayling is Rocky Mountain White Fish, even Blue (Artic) Grayling is not salmonoid. R.Ng

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The Huchen is in the Amer River system in Germany, near Oberamergau.  I never hooked one, but they run huge–up to 30 lbs.  I gather that thy are akin to the salmon

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Hi guys, OK it goes like this: There are many strains of salmonids and most of the are being fished for (grayling, A salmon, Brown trout…), but there is one that I have not read about in any fishing magazines or books.It is the Huchen Trout, supposedly living in the Danube basin which is in Slovakia. It is supposed to have a Bronze back and green body. It is huge. It is said that some fishermen were caught "poaching" when they thought they caught a trophy rainbow trout when in fact they had a baby Huchen Trout. As far as i know slovakian fishermen fished with live bait and lead core (not because of huchen’s sharp teeth but fishe’s strength). Does anyone have more info on this salmonid? Did anyone try fly fishing for it? I would welcome any info on this species. Thanks RB

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