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So you’re saying their marketing guys times their product release just right???  ;-)  Impressive. On a more serious note, are the Simms Guide weights worth the money?  I’ve been using a pair of Reddingtons and a pair of (yeah, I know, gasp!) Orvis green mountain breathables for the past couple of years (both are essentially the same but the Reddingtons seem to be put together a little better).  Both have held up to a lot of hard fishing but they are both dying at the same time (I actually alternate use on a trip by trip basis).  How resistant are they to brambles and the occasional pricker bush?  My 2 pair are covered with shiny gobs of Sun Seal goo.  Actually that’s my only complaint considering they only cost $99 apiece. —

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| | cabelas | | OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know. | | | Elitist. | | Here’s what really pisses me off. | | This year my Simms Guide Weight waders gave up the ghost. I’m not | complaining about that — they had three years of extremely hard use. | The main problem was that the neoprene feet blew out. Too much hiking, I | guess. | | So, I sent them back to Simms to be repaired, and in the meantime, so | I’d have waders to use, I bought another pair. Now I have a nearly new | pair and a reconditioned pair that are nearly as good as new. | | I figured I was all set, but then Simms came out with a totally | redesigned model with the features I’ve been begging them for — | built-in gravel guards, belt loops, and even a hand warmer! Arrrrggghhh! |

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So you’re saying their marketing guys times their product release just right???  ;-)  Impressive.

Yep. They’re waiting for me to make my move.

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What bugs me about the waders is that I now have about four of five years worth of waders, which I definitely WILL use, but the model I really want has just come out. It’s not like I’m going to run out and buy a new pair.

steve, when you see, touch, and wear a pair, my bet is you will. the new simms G3 waders are worth every penny ….. all 42,250 of em…. every dang cent. any one who is foolish enough to argue with that statement, well, he’s a fool and has blue balls to boot. the best wader on the planet, by far, hands down, is just a few weeks away… i pity the poor bastards wearing cab…., hodg…., orv…, redd……. and such…. whilst i’m fresh and warm as a muffin fresh out of the toaster, yer freezin yer jewels off… poor bastards. get real, get smart, buy simms. i ain’t cuttin’ no slack on this issue nor am i trying to drum up business…. experience. any one who believes otherwise, is daft, a communist, and can’t fish worth a fiddlers fuk, imho. Tight Lines, and MERRY CHRISTMAS all….. ;^) –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

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<snipped ezflyfish spam <G Tight Lines, and MERRY CHRISTMAS all….. ;^)

Oh, SURE. Throw THAT in at the end! — TL, Tim Same to you, BTW.

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  steve, when you see, touch, and wear a pair, my bet is you will. the new simms G3 waders are worth every penny ….. all 42,250 of em…. every dang cent. any one who is foolish enough to argue with that statement, well, he’s a fool and has blue balls to boot.

No way. I’m all wadered up for years to come. Fuck the built-in gravel guards, the belt loops, AND the frigging hand warmer.

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Isn’t this reason enough to stay w/ the 101? Unless you want the newst-baddest toys, that is. In spite of all the bells & whistles on the newer models, my SRT’s are still giving me fine photos. And "upgrading" a collection of lenses from 24mm – 1250mm just to stay current w/ the newer bodies would cost a small fortune. And I’m reasonably sure I wouldn’t be actually shooting any better.

I have to say I’m shooting much better now.  It’s so much nicer to be able to: 1)   change ASA without losing film, 2)  Check a picture and see if it needs to be reshot. 3)  set the white balance without needing extra filters. 4)  Have an auto exposure that works right 99% of the time. 5)  Have a motor drive. 6)  Not have to wait for a processing lab. 7)  Have a 28-200 zoom that’s beautiful throughout it’s range. Though there are adapters for the old lenses, they don’t provide the new features to those lenses. The only disadvantage is that slides are tough and expensive to make. Chas

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No way. I’m all wadered up for years to come. Fuck the built-in gravel guards, the belt loops, AND the frigging hand warmer.

i’m also wadered up steve…. *but*, a man has to field test new product, donchaknow. i’ve only worn a sample in the store as of now. it was very comfortable and i liked the way simms designed the legs…. they seem to be "fitted". in all honesty, the guide pant model will probably still be my wader of choice. the chicks dig ‘em. stay warm, –walt…… ps, you forgot to mention the built in Flip-out Tippet Tender Pocket, including a built-in retractor <g

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And you’re complaining about people buying *other* people presents for Christmas ! You missed the point, Greg. I must not have made myself clear. What I object to about Christmas presents is that so many of gifts are actually unwanted and unused. It’s the wastefulness that bothers me.  I understood you and was half-joking.  I agree with you re  Christmas presents & I get completely turned off every time  I wander out to a store at this time of the year.  At the same  time, I know that I have more than I need of various things.  When I really think about it, I don’t see much difference  between buying something that is "useless" as opposed to  buying something that I might actually use but I could easily  do without because I already own enough to do the same  thing without yet another one.

When you send your only pair of waders back to Simms for repair in the middle of the fishing season, expecting them to return in no less than several weeks, you NEED another pair. — 2003 ROFF calendar: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ROFF/calendar/2003/start.html

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 I have a portfolio of excuses along similar lines  (well, if the backup to the backup breaks, I need  another one to cover it…), tho I have to admit  that yours sounds a bit more compellling  :-)

There are only so many things to do in Stanley when you aren’t gainfully employed, Greg. During fishing season, it’s fishing. During hunting season, it’s hunting. During skiing season, it’s skiing. Of course, there’s also drinking and carousing, but that takes place mostly in the evenings. I must confess, however, to buying a new pair of Simms lightweight boots (with removeable studs) when I bought my new waders — one of the best purchases I’ve ever made, even though, strictly speaking, they were unnecessary. — 2003 ROFF calendar: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ROFF/calendar/2003/start.html

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I must confess, however, to buying a new pair of Simms lightweight boots (with removeable studs) when I bought my new waders — one of the best purchases I’ve ever made, even though, strictly speaking, they were unnecessary.

have you used the studs yet steve? if so, how do they grip? i’ve resisted installing the studs until PA, where they will be needed on those dastardly rocks. what i like about them is, well, they live up to their name… lightweight. wally, never met a unnecessary ff item <g

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I must confess, however, to buying a new pair of Simms lightweight boots (with removeable studs) when I bought my new waders — one of the best purchases I’ve ever made, even though, strictly speaking, they were unnecessary. have you used the studs yet steve? if so, how do they grip?

Yes, I have. And yes, they do, but not as well as carbide studs. I removed them at the HF Clave so I wouldn’t mess up John Hightower’s beautiful self-made wooden drift boat. I’m hoping I can find them again. — 2003 ROFF calendar: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ROFF/calendar/2003/start.html

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– I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.   Any comments on which is better?  I am not trying to stir anything up..  I have posted to rec.photo 35mm but the newsgroup is not very active.  I have followed this newsgroup for a long time and know that many here are avid photographers here.  I have been to my local camera shop to look at the Nikon and ended up looking at the Canon as well. Both seem to be nice AF cameras.  Any other recommendations in this price range? Keith

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The group you want to query is rec.photo.equ9ipment.35mm.  BUT, (and I mean BUT) before you post this question to that group go to Google and do a search for the N80 and E7.  This topic has been discussed in detail so posting the question will probably get a few posts that resemble flames. Personally I’ve been a Nikon guy for the last 20 years.  I upgraded from an FM to a N90s a few years ago.  Nikon recently end-of-life’d the N90 line but I’d recommend it over the N80.  The construction is metal vs plastic in the N80 and it has a few more bells and whistles (i.e. higher flash sync speeds).  But the N80 is still a great camera at the high end of the non-pro ranks.  Since it is not produced any longer you may be able to find one that has been marked down.  Nikon is still servicing them and the warrantee is pretty good. Check out www.bhphotvideo.com  - great mail order place with a great reputation.  I buy most of my stuff from them.  If you live in the area or find yourself in NYC check out their store on 9th and 34th.  It’s huge and stocked with helpful sales people (FYI – they close Friday at 1 PM and reopen on Sunday). —

| | | — | | I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.   Any comments on | which is | better?  I am not trying to stir anything up..  I have posted to rec.photo | 35mm but the newsgroup is not very active.  I have followed this newsgroup | for a long time and know that many here are avid photographers here.  I have | been to my local | camera shop to look at the Nikon and ended up looking at the Canon as well. | Both seem to be nice AF cameras.  Any other recommendations in this price | range? | | Keith | | |

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Sorry, fingers slipped – the group is rec.photo.equipment.35mm —

| | | — | | I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.   Any comments on | which is | better?  I am not trying to stir anything up..  I have posted to rec.photo | 35mm but the newsgroup is not very active.  I have followed this newsgroup | for a long time and know that many here are avid photographers here.  I have | been to my local | camera shop to look at the Nikon and ended up looking at the Canon as well. | Both seem to be nice AF cameras.  Any other recommendations in this price | range? | | Keith | | |

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The group you want to query is rec.photo.equ9ipment.35mm.  BUT, (and I mean BUT) before you post this question to that group go to Google and do a search for the N80 and E7.  This topic has been discussed in detail so posting the question will probably get a few posts that resemble flames.

What are the best breathable waders for the money? Does anyone have an opinion about the Cabela’s Three Forks 3wt? Is fluorocarbon worth it? What weight rod should I get? Is bobber fishing unethical? How about C&R? Do Eastern Claves have more camraderie than Western Claves? What is a Clave, anyway?

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The group you want to query is rec.photo.equ9ipment.35mm.  BUT, (and I mean BUT) before you post this question to that group go to Google and do a search for the N80 and E7.  This topic has been discussed in detail so posting the question will probably get a few posts that resemble flames. What are the best breathable waders for the money? Does anyone have an opinion about the Cabela’s Three Forks 3wt? Is fluorocarbon worth it? What weight rod should I get? Is bobber fishing unethical? How about C&R? Do Eastern Claves have more camraderie than Western Claves? What is a Clave, anyway?

cabelas no no 4 yes and no see above definitely camaraderie backatcha, big fella — TL, Tim

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What are the best breathable waders for the money? Does anyone have an opinion about the Cabela’s Three Forks 3wt? Is fluorocarbon worth it? What weight rod should I get? Is bobber fishing unethical? How about C&R? Do Eastern Claves have more camraderie than Western Claves? What is a Clave, anyway? cabelas

OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know. no

Wrong. I do. So do quite a number of others. no

OK 4

5 yes and no

yes see above

see above definitely

Are you speaking from personal experience, or hearsay? camaraderie

OK

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— I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.   Any comments on which is better?

"Better" is perhaps in beholder’s eye. Both brands are of high repute; perhaps using criteria based on the sorts of potography you’ll do most would aid in selecting. Any quality 35mm SLR will give many years of service if treated well. (Happens I have 2 Minoltas which are 20+ years & going strong.) I don’t think you’d be disappointed in either the Nikon or the Canon. Yours in the north Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — Anything is possible but not everything is easy.   B. Gray

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I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.  

…snip… I’d consider what you’ll want when you go digital.  The lenses are interchangable on Nikon from their old stuff to the newest. I just bought a Nikon D100 digital, and I’m delighted with it.  My old camera is a Minolta SRT201 that’s nearly 30 years old and still works fine.   Since my old lenses are worthless on the newer Minoltas, there was no reason to stay with Minolta. Chas

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 My old camera is a Minolta SRT201 that’s nearly 30 years old and still works fine. Since my old lenses are worthless on the newer Minoltas, there was no reason to stay with Minolta. Chas

Isn’t this reason enough to stay w/ the 101? Unless you want the newst-baddest toys, that is. In spite of all the bells & whistles on the newer models, my SRT’s are still giving me fine photos. And "upgrading" a collection of lenses from 24mm – 1250mm just to stay current w/ the newer bodies would cost a small fortune. And I’m reasonably sure I wouldn’t be actually shooting any better. Pete — Anything is possible but not everything is easy.   B. Gray

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  My old camera is a Minolta SRT201 that’s nearly 30 years old and still works fine. Since my old lenses are worthless on the newer Minoltas,

An afterthought: there are adapters for some of the Rokkor lenses to allow them to be used on some Maxxum bodies. Pete — Anything is possible but not everything is easy.   B. Gray

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cabelas OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know.

Elitist. definitely Are you speaking from personal experience, or hearsay?

hearsay, absolutely camaraderie OK

YEA! I got one right! — TL, Tim and just in case,  :)  :)  and especially, ;-^)

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cabelas OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know. Elitist.

Here’s what really pisses me off. This year my Simms Guide Weight waders gave up the ghost. I’m not complaining about that — they had three years of extremely hard use. The main problem was that the neoprene feet blew out. Too much hiking, I guess. So, I sent them back to Simms to be repaired, and in the meantime, so I’d have waders to use, I bought another pair. Now I have a nearly new pair and a reconditioned pair that are nearly as good as new. I figured I was all set, but then Simms came out with a totally redesigned model with the features I’ve been begging them for — built-in gravel guards, belt loops, and even a hand warmer! Arrrrggghhh!

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I figured I was all set, but then Simms came out with a totally redesigned model with the features I’ve been begging them for — built-in gravel guards, belt loops, and even a hand warmer!

Arrrrggghhh! If it will help, you can send a pair or two to me. Just trying to be helpful. . . — TL, Tim

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 And you’re complaining about people buying *other* people  presents for Christmas !

You missed the point, Greg. I must not have made myself clear. What I object to about Christmas presents is that so many of gifts are actually unwanted and unused. It’s the wastefulness that bothers me. What bugs me about the waders is that I now have about four of five years worth of waders, which I definitely WILL use, but the model I really want has just come out. It’s not like I’m going to run out and buy a new pair.

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Hello all; Looking for recommendations for a good smallmouth streams in the King of Prussia, Pennsylvania area.  I will be in the Hatboro/Philadelphia area on business Thursday and plan on a little fly fishing Thursday night and Friday.  I will be wading.  Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Joe

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A decent smallie area is the Perkiomen watershed park at routes 73 and 29 just outside of Collegeville (its in Schwenksville to be technical). Another area is the Evansburg park area on Germantown Pike. I can give you better directions if either sound appealing. Ron

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all; Looking for recommendations for a good smallmouth streams in the King of Prussia, Pennsylvania area.  I will be in the Hatboro/Philadelphia area on business Thursday and plan on a little fly fishing Thursday night and Friday.  I will be wading.  Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Joe

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More importantly, where does she fish, where are her favorite pools, and does she prefer wine or Scotch?  Godiva chocolates are always appropriate. Wayne to fish is human…to release divine. This is becoming another Urban Legend. Just who exactly is this phantom drop dead gorgeous fly fishing model? Names please! And just where is this cabin so when I’m in the neighborhood I can drop by and say "howdy, Ma’am". -John

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Whoa, Charlie….let’s think this through a little bit.  Sure, I wouldn’t mind an afternoon on-stream with Lefty, but you distinctly said spending an *evening* with the model.  Want to reconsider?

Nope. You can spend an evening listening to someone talk about their makeup if you like, though. The next morning I’ll know a lot more about fishing and you’ll be convinced that if she hadn’t had to go home early to wash her hair, you could have scored<g. — Charlie…

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Hi all, I’ll go home and get the magazine from my wife this weekend and post whatever information it contains next Monday…  I’m only telling y’all what my wife told me!  If it’s not too long, maybe I’ll post excerpts from the article. Other than that, given a choice between spending the weekend with a model or Lefty Kreh, I’d definitely say I’d have to take Lefty.  That way I’d still be alive when I got home as it might be difficult to flyfish while my wife is shooting at me. Happy New Year! Tom This is becoming another Urban Legend. Just who exactly is this phantom drop dead gorgeous fly fishing model? Names please! And just where is this cabin so when I’m in the neighborhood I can drop by and say "howdy, Ma’am". -John

– Thomas Chou International Sensor Technology 3 Whatney Irvine, CA 92618 Ph: 949.452.9316 Fx: 949.452.9009 www.gotgas.com

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but if she is half the person Left is that would make a wonderful evening discussing fishign and tying! Thought I was gonna be rude there didn’t you <g Pierre – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually, I’d rather spend an evening with Lefty than with a fashion model. Not sure about Lefty in drag, though<g. — Charlie… Oh come now man, get your priorities straight.  I’d rather spend an "evening" with the model, I’d rather spend the weekend with Lefty. Oh am I in trouble when I get home tonight.  :-) Later,      - Ken

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EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Charlie ol boy you just made a terrible mistake!!!! Sexist comments like that are really gonna bring the house down..Besides who says that natural beauty needs help?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whoa, Charlie….let’s think this through a little bit.  Sure, I wouldn’t mind an afternoon on-stream with Lefty, but you distinctly said spending an *evening* with the model.  Want to reconsider? Nope. You can spend an evening listening to someone talk about their makeup if you like, though. The next morning I’ll know a lot more about fishing and you’ll be convinced that if she hadn’t had to go home early to wash her hair, you could have scored<g. — Charlie…

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but if she is half the person Left is that would make a wonderful evening discussing fishign and tying! Thought I was gonna be rude there didn’t you <g Pierre

Actually, the comparison I was making was an evening with Lefty vs an evening with a ‘regular’ model, not the ‘mythical’ fishing lady in the ad. The supposition was made in an earlier post that the ad was a fake (since I haven’t seen it I have no opinion on that). Given the choice between the ‘fishing lady model’ and Lefty, I’d probably still go with Lefty though, but the choice would be more difficult<g. — Charlie…

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More importantly, where does she fish, where are her favorite pools, and does she prefer wine or Scotch?  Godiva chocolates are always appropriate.

OK, but what size hook should you tie the chocolates onto?  Standard nymph, wide-gape bassin’ hook, ram it onto the post on that funny Partridge parachute hook, or what?  Maybe a dry fly hook, and drown the whole concoction (confection? in Gink?  Inquiring minds…  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Charlie ol boy you just made a terrible mistake!!!! Sexist comments like that are really gonna bring the house down..Besides who says that natural beauty needs help??

Have you ever talked to a model, of either sex? The ones I have are mostly interested in their looks and the makeup that helps them ‘enhance’ their looks. My comment wasn’t intended to be sexist, just anti-model<g. Maybe I just ran into a few bad apples. — Charlie…

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This is becoming another Urban Legend. Just who exactly is this phantom drop dead gorgeous fly fishing model? Names please! And just where is this cabin so when I’m in the neighborhood I can drop by and say "howdy, Ma’am".

Not to worry, we’re trying to line her up as a "greeter" at our new flyfishing theme cafe next spring.  Dates and locations to be announced… Cheers, Tony Ritter

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But Tom….what a way to go!!! Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I’ll go home and get the magazine from my wife this weekend and post whatever information it contains next Monday…  I’m only telling y’all what my wife told me!  If it’s not too long, maybe I’ll post excerpts from the article. Other than that, given a choice between spending the weekend with a model or Lefty Kreh, I’d definitely say I’d have to take Lefty.  That way I’d still be alive when I got home as it might be difficult to flyfish while my wife is shooting at me. Happy New Year! Tom This is becoming another Urban Legend. Just who exactly is this phantom drop dead gorgeous fly fishing model? Names please! And just where is this cabin so when I’m in the neighborhood I can drop by and say "howdy, Ma’am". -John — Thomas Chou International Sensor Technology 3 Whatney Irvine, CA 92618 Ph: 949.452.9316 Fx: 949.452.9009 www.gotgas.com

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Bob,     Its somethig akin to grappling catfish on the Mississippi.  Not a matter of a hook, although a good line doesn’t hurt.  Sometimes its more the line you cast than the bait you use. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -OK, but what size hook should you tie the chocolates onto?  Standard nymph, wide-gape bassin’ hook, ram it onto the post on that funny Partridge parachute hook, or what?  Maybe a dry fly hook, and drown the whole concoction (confection? in Gink?  Inquiring minds…  :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Ladies! Feel free to wade in and help us out here! Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

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Ladies! Feel free to wade in and help us out here!

Oh, I think you’re doing a splendid job! Okay, here’s a new topic. Hasanyone read that David Leitz murder mystery novel about the model photo shoot at a fly fishing lodge… here it is: _Dying to Fly Fish_? — Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Disclaimer: Pushing 40 and born in Fredericton, NB

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George G: like you – and me? George, dogs chase cars, but they don’t know how to drive. d;0) Dave L.

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JR, The main model for the Estee Lauder commercial *can* cast.  She has in fact devoted a great portion of her life to flyfishing.  The story goes like this (abbreviated, of course.  This is the story my wife told me she read in a recent mag article about this)…  She made some money modeling when she was younger, invested it well, and took up flyfishing with some other members of her family.  She is the only one who pursued it with a passion, which she still does, while the others gave it up.  She ties her own flies, owns a cabin by a river, she’s rich, and beautiful… and like I’ve said before, I’ve got dibs.  She is currently around 56 years old.  Now that’s a great looking 56 year old lady, don’t you think?! Hope this clears things up. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saw the commercial while watching NYPD Blue.  Sorry guys, but anyone who says his streams in Alberta, N.C., wherever, are crawling with women who look like the model in this commercial, well, no offense, but he lies like a dog.  And her clothes (this all started about her clothes, no?)–well, I’m can’t remember what sort of clothes she had.  Pretty sure, though, that she was wearing clothes. The question is, is this babe a for real fly fisher or not?  The last, long, overhead shot shows a pretty good casting stroke, but this could have been a stand-in.  The stroke in the close-up shots is less convincing.  As for the other obvious questions, I leave those up to the congregation….. JR

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The main model for the Estee Lauder commercial *can* cast.  She has in fact devoted a great portion of her life to flyfishing.

David Hinner’s post of 12/30/98 credits Pixar Studios with the creative morphing of Lefty Kreh into the "Beaverkill Bombshell". Tom – he *does* have a wonderful sense of humor – but are you *sure* you still want that date? Cheers, Tony Ritter

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The main model for the Estee Lauder commercial *can* cast.  She has in fact devoted a great portion of her life to flyfishing. David Hinner’s post of 12/30/98 credits Pixar Studios with the creative morphing of Lefty Kreh into the "Beaverkill Bombshell". Tom – he *does* have a wonderful sense of humor – but are you *sure* you still want that date?

Actually, I’d rather spend an evening with Lefty than with a fashion model. Not sure about Lefty in drag, though<g. — Charlie…

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Actually, I’d rather spend an evening with Lefty than with a fashion model. Not sure about Lefty in drag, though<g. — Charlie…

Oh come now man, get your priorities straight.  I’d rather spend an "evening" with the model, I’d rather spend the weekend with Lefty. Oh am I in trouble when I get home tonight.  :-) Later,      - Ken

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The main model for the Estee Lauder commercial *can* cast.  She has in fact devoted a great portion of her life to flyfishing.  The story goes like this (abbreviated, of course.  This is the story my wife told me she read in a recent mag article about this)…

At the risk of spreading disappointment and gloom, I must point out that not everything you read in a magazine, newspaper or book is Gospel Truth– especially stuff about movie stars, models, athletes, business firms, products, politicians….. Agents and PR firms earn their money by cranking out stuff to create interest in their clients and make them look good. vince norris  She made some money modeling when she was – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -younger, invested it well, and took up flyfishing with some other members of her family.  She is the only one who pursued it with a passion, which she still does, while the others gave it up.  She ties her own flies, owns a cabin by a river, she’s rich, and beautiful… and like I’ve said before, I’ve got dibs.  She is currently around 56 years old.  Now that’s a great looking 56 year old lady, don’t you think?! Hope this clears things up. Tom Saw the commercial while watching NYPD Blue.  Sorry guys, but anyone who says his streams in Alberta, N.C., wherever, are crawling with women who look like the model in this commercial, well, no offense, but he lies like a dog.  And her clothes (this all started about her clothes, no?)–well, I’m can’t remember what sort of clothes she had.  Pretty sure, though, that she was wearing clothes. The question is, is this babe a for real fly fisher or not?  The last, long, overhead shot shows a pretty good casting stroke, but this could have been a stand-in.  The stroke in the close-up shots is less convincing.  As for the other obvious questions, I leave those up to the congregation….. JR

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Whoa, Charlie….let’s think this through a little bit.  Sure, I wouldn’t mind an afternoon on-stream with Lefty, but you distinctly said spending an *evening* with the model.  Want to reconsider? Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The main model for the Estee Lauder commercial *can* cast.  She has in fact devoted a great portion of her life to flyfishing. David Hinner’s post of 12/30/98 credits Pixar Studios with the creative morphing of Lefty Kreh into the "Beaverkill Bombshell". Tom – he *does* have a wonderful sense of humor – but are you *sure* you still want that date? Actually, I’d rather spend an evening with Lefty than with a fashion model. Not sure about Lefty in drag, though<g. — Charlie…

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JR, The main model for the Estee Lauder commercial *can* cast.  She has in fact devoted a great portion of her life to flyfishing.  The story goes like this (abbreviated, of course.  This is the story my wife told me she read in a recent mag article about this)…  She made some money modeling when she was younger, invested it well, and took up flyfishing with some other members of her family.  She is the only one who pursued it with a passion, which she still does, while the others gave it up.  She ties her own flies, owns a cabin by a river, she’s rich, and beautiful… and like I’ve said before, I’ve got dibs.  She is currently around 56 years old.  Now that’s a great looking 56 year old lady, don’t you think?! Hope this clears things up. Tom snip

This is becoming another Urban Legend. Just who exactly is this phantom drop dead gorgeous fly fishing model? Names please! And just where is this cabin so when I’m in the neighborhood I can drop by and say "howdy, Ma’am". -John

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bait for what, George?  They want us to buy Estee Lauder products?  OK, I’m going to find some, some…(some what?), I don’t know, some face cream or something, and see if it floats a fly better than Gink. Then I make a fortune, the model falls for me (and all my money), and we live and fish happily ever after.  Drinking Famous Grouse. …Fade out…. The End. (The crowd goes wild.) JR

"They," are the gutem & eatum boys.  THEY, want you to use garden hackle and sinful things like ‘indicators!’ (Perish the Thought!)  Then they want to catch you making out with that doll that’s been all Ginked up like a sweaty latin lover and print those pictures here on ROFF, heaven forbid!  Well, fear not J.R. because here comes Wayno, the barrister of all time to defend you. Naturally, his fee is going to be a case of Famous Grouse and as you sit there in handcuffs at the ROFF Conclave, we are all going to drink every bit of it while you watch.  But, again, fear not!  This Buds’ for you. (This group isn’t THAT cold hearted pal.) ; )  Don’t you just love it here J.R.? We sure enough love you. Happy New Year.  Remember always –  After midnight when you’ve got her all sauced up – ‘gink keeps it up’ oh my gosh, did I say that? whew!  Doesn’t get any better then this. HAPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYYY New Year J.R.! fade out because I just passed out. — George Gehrke All Writings

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In late August I will be fishing the deshutes near Bend Or.  At the Inn at the Seventh Mountain.  Does anyone have any information regarding this river, what to use, what to fish for and if it’s any good?  Please e-mail me and let me know.  Thanks in advance!

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The "squawfish" are fighting hard in that area.

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Closest would be Lava Island Falls area.  About a mile upstream is Dillon Falls.  Fishing anywhere in this area is good and from the Inn you can walk to them all. Just try using a large olive hare’s ear, bead head prince nymph, or tan elk hair caddis.  Check with The Patient Angler in Bend off of Colorado Ave., they will be able to give you any further advice on recent hatches.

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The "squawfish" are fighting hard in that area.

I hear that the black bullhead can really put up a dogged fight when hooked on a #4 corn fly.   -John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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In late August I will be fishing the deshutes near Bend Or.  At the Inn at the Seventh Mountain.  Does anyone have any information regarding this river, what to use, what to fish for and if it’s any good?  Please e-mail me and let me know.  Thanks in advance!

Hi Bryan, I would fish streams early and late in the day at that time of year. There are fly shops in Sister’s, Bend, Sun River and Camp Sherman. They can tell you about the fishing, what flies to use and can supply you with a guide. The lakes, like Crane Prairie, can be very good at that time, also. You have the Deschutes, Metolius, Crooked and Fall Rivers to choose from. The Deschutes river also has steelhead in July through October. I would try to find a copy of ‘Harry Teel’s No Nonsense Guide To Fly Fishing Central & Southeastern Oregon’, published by David Marketing Communications in Sisters, Oregon. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I’d like to come along on the next cruise if I could please, for the food if  nothing else! Sounds wonderful, and what short cruising is all about. Peggy Carr

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The penultimate weekend of our sailing season was glorious. With no guests scheduled, we thought to anchor out Saturday night under the cliffs of Upper Nyack, in the Tappan Zee. Saturday morning began with a visit to the Union Square Greenmarket for provisions. For the trip, we came away with a piece of codfish, cooking and salad tomatoes, onion, Rocambole garlic, purple Anaheim pepper and a yellow one from an untagged basket, salad greens I don’t even know the names of, and little yellow-fleshed fingerling potatoes. We got off the dock at 1110. The tide was on the second half of the flood, running north at 1.5 kts near the marina(just south of the Holland Tunnel), with slack in about two to three hours. The slack travels north, getting to Tarrytown over an hour later. The wind was south, extremely light. With the main bairly keeping steerageway, we hoisted our half-ounce chute. 1,000 square feet of almost-imaginary gossamer nylon, it filled and lifted immediately. It would draw the boat close to the speed of the wind, so any fluctuation in wind strength would cause it to sag, but it kept us going a little faster than the tide. 1210 At the 79th Street boat basin, a northeast breeze came up, about 10 kts. Chute down, jib up, sheeted to rail outside lifelines. This made it possible to make and handle sandwiches. Farm-grown atlantic salmon with horseradish mayonnaise and capers on sourdough. I patched a small hole I had seen while the chute was flying. This old sail (1984) has about half a dozen small tape patches and two larger ones sewn by a sailmaker, all before we owned the boat. Still with the jib at Spuyten Duyvil, and Osprey with a fish crossed our bow heading west to the Jersey shore. A Greater Black Back gull harrassed the osprey all the way, trying to get it to drop the fish. This is common Bald Eagle behavior, and eagles do get away with it. The gull, impressive as it is, is no eagle and the osprey held on, getting its fish to a tree on the Palisades. Meanwhile the NE wind was dying, and two more ospreys were fishing near Riverdale, the fancy section of the Bronx just north of Spuyten Duyvil. Splashes of fall color here and there on the Palisades. The southerly returned so quietly that we rehoisted the half ounce from the forward hatch, without bothering to repack it in stops. This was nearly successful, but the sail caught on the pole lift where it enters the mast. I had to let out a few inches on both the halyard and the pole lift to get it free. No damage. 1430 passed Yonkers pier. Wind picking up, still from the south. The flood is dying out but the wind now more than makes up for it. The land starts moving by. We do a very messy spinnaker gybe right off Hastings Boat Club, very emabrrassing. A perfect one near Irvington. Lots of sailboats in this part of the river. 1510 under the Tappan Zee Bridge. About 8 miles in 40 minutes. Another gybe went well, and we were almost euphoric. We wanted to go on forever, but know it gets dark early. Running downwind in the summer would be quite unpleasant, with sweat pouring into my eyes. The temperature was just right on Saturday. My sunglasses did fog up about 3 times, however. We dropped sails off Upper Nyack, where we planned to anchor. The current was ebbing quite strongly by this time, the slack having caught and passed us. The southerly was quite strong. THe combination makes anchoring a little tricky, although the holding ground here is perfect, medium clay. By letting the boat lose way completely and drift, we can get out one anchor without wrapping the keel. The wind was overcoming the ebb, so we set the south anchor, a 5-kg Bruce, first. Then, at the end of the rode, we set the Fortress FX-16 to the north. Then, two 12-lb kellets went down, hooked around both rodes, keeping them together below the keel. For cocktails we enjoyed chevre and cold-smoked trout, both from local farms that come to the greenmarket. A bottle of Gruet, a bubbly from New Mexico that we like very much, with a pair of fine crystal champagne flutes that we only use alone, and in a non-bouncy place. For dinner, the codfish, cooked in a bed of peppers, onion, plum tomatoes (blanched in the potato water , peeled and seeded) and fingerling potatoes went well with a Chardonnay, 1965 from Hogue Cellars in Oregon. Everything but the wine from the greenmarket. The temperature remained unseasonably warm through a perfect evening, with no mosquitos. After we hit the sack, it rained occasionally through the night. In the morning, it was misty, dead calm, and the tide was against us. After a late breakfast we weighed anchor and motored south. Without the concentration the spinnaker required the day before, we enjoyed a blaze of fall color, most intense from Piermont to  the 41st parallel, which we toasted with Cream Stout. It (the parallel) was right where we had left it, and all was right with the world, except for wind. We enjoyed the scenery under power to south of the GW bridge. On the way, we saw a falcon fly north up the center of the river, more ospreys, red-tail hawks as well as the usual vultures at the top of the palisades. South of the bridge, a light southerly came up, and although the tide was still flooding slightly, we had only 5 miles to the marina. We set main and jib again, and had a delightful beat. We just kept going past the marina into the harbor, with the tide ebbing strongly. We encountered a friend (the one who went with us to Maine last month) on a J27 out of the Chelsea Piers sailing school. We tried to circumnavigate Governors Island, but straight downwind in the Buttermilk channel wasn’t making it. We had to power into the 2.9-kt current briefly. Then back to the marina. 20 years without a car, a TV, or a home page

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Joel, you are a man after my own heart.  About the only difference is I fish dry flies and I do have a #1 Hoffman grizzly saddle which ties magnificent dry flies, and each hackle will tie 4 to 7 flies.   Ernie Harrison I’ve learned to become an ecconomical tyer over the years. I have a real

difficult time spending $60 plus on a chicken skin, so when I fish dries it usually comparaduns,

sparkle duns, LaFontaine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Emergers, terrestrials, etc. They all work and float great and there’s no expensive hackle involved. jka

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 Discounting my time, I figure a fly costs me $0.05-0.10 each to make.

Where do you buy your hooks? I pay over 10 cents each buying them in 100 packs? Willi

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve learned to become an ecconomical tyer over the years. I have a real difficult time spending $60 plus on a chicken skin, so when I fish dries it usually comparaduns, sparkle duns, LaFontaine Emergers, terrestrials, etc. They all work and float great and there’s no expensive hackle involved. <Snip If you got to have all the bells and whistles and if you refuse to improvise a little, sure, you’ll spend a fortune on this hobby. But at this point in the game I spend far less a year on materials than I would on "quality" flies at $1.75 or more each. jka  Have you tried the Tom Thumb? It is THE dry fly in British Columbia. Can be fished as a caddis or mayfly imitation and uses three materials: hook, working thread, and deer hair. It is described in The Gilly. — Vic Brockett Vic’s Fly-By-Night http://www.navicom.com/~vic I’ve learned to become an ecconomical tyer over the years. I have a real difficult time spending $60 plus on a chicken skin, so when I fish dries it usually comparaduns, sparkle duns, LaFontaine Emergers, terrestrials, etc. They all work and float great and there’s no expensive hackle involved. <Snip If you got to have all the bells and whistles and if you refuse to improvise a little, sure, you’ll spend a fortune on this hobby. But at this point in the game I spend far less a year on materials than I would on "quality" flies at $1.75 or more each. jka

 Have you tried the Tom Thumb? It is THE dry fly in British Columbia. Can be fished as a caddis or mayfly imitation and uses three materials: hook, working thread, and deer hair. It is described in The Gilly. — Vic Brockett Vic’s Fly-By-Night http://www.navicom.com/~vic

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<Bulk of excellent reply snipped  Then there are the "secret" patterns, a few of which are not available anywhere but on my vice and that of a couple close friends. Discounting my time, I figure a fly costs me $0.05-0.10 each to make. The time is no big deal, I usually tie on those slow Sundays when I’m actively not watching some sports megaevent on TV, or during the long cold winters here in Maine. tight lines!

Dave I think you hit it right on the head. Tying gives you the ability to produce exactly what you need to catch fish on a consistant basis on your local streams/rivers.  Plus it’s fun, plus, what do you do in Wisconsin when it’s -30 with wind chill in Wisconsin in February???? Tight lines, Steve Hering

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I notice that the responses to this original post are now starting to take on the notion of defending fly tying for its own sake.  A cause which I believe I showed support for in the original post.  Please understand that I love tying flies and that I think it worth every penny I’ve ever spent (and will continue to spend) in the future.  Also, I’m not surprised that some of you out there who fish more often actually do manage to get a ‘volume discount’ on your flies by tying them yourselves. My original intent was meant to coax a wry smile from fellow tiers who are still ‘over capitalized’ with regard to their supply of fly tying materials….and probably will remain so for some time.  My hats off to all of you who have managed to tie economically.  (Actually, I don’t envy you so much for your money saving acumen as I do for the fact that you are probably saving because you go fishing a lot more than I do!)–                                                            -dnc- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s one in the "jokes-on-me" category. How many fly tyers out there got started, like me, because you thought you’d save a lot of money? (Don’t get me wrong.  I get a lot of fun out of tying, and it’s hard to think of anything better than site casting a dry you tied to a fish and having him get fooled.  But I still have to laugh at myself about my initial misconception about tying.)                                                                -dnc-

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D., You obviously haven’t bought your first #1 neck yet.  It’ll more than double your initial $60 outlay.  (And getting that vise for free is cheating!).  If you really get into tying, and you are interested in tying many different patterns, let me know how it all works out, a couple years from now (after your s.o. has left you for a more frugal s.o.).  The $10000 may be an exaggeration (or maybe not, maybe the guy bought some Dodo feathers???), but I have spent at least $500 so far, and I’m not nearly as well set up as some of the really good tyers I know. If you are economically able to tie a variety of flies, and you aren’t lucky enough to have your buddies give you all the necessary materials, I’d be more than happy to suffer the slings and arrows of a ‘told-you-so’ from you (just as long as it’s accompanied by some useful hints on how I might likewise economize)–                                                            -dnc- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – < 10k in equipment?  Not saving money tying flies?  Where you guys shopping?   Just started tying.  ….  [snip] have a total investment of 60 bucks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many fly tyers out there got started, like me, because you thought you’d save a lot of money? …….But I still have to laugh at myself about my initial misconception about tying.)                                  -dnc- I completely disagree with you.  I figure it costs me less than 50 cents per fly, and I have a less than $10,000 in equipment and materials.   Paul < 10k in equipment?  Not saving money tying flies?  Where you guys shopping? Just started tying.  Vise was free, used, but holds a hook no problems. Bobbin, couple types of scissors, thread, tinsel, wire, dubbing, herl, shaved a few bunnies at a friends ranch, mask, pheasant tail, etc….  I have a total investment of 60 bucks.  I have tied about 40 flies so far. Where I live  40 flies = 40 bucks, at least.  How could you not save money, even eventually as Paul (10k ??? are you serious?  Nah, can’t be.) pointed out.  I spend about 15 bucks avg on flies each trip, at least. Figure30-40 trips a year of varying degrees and I save lots of money every year. Ok, I’m ready to justify that Renzetti to my s.o. D. Howell

Denial!!! Plus, "I’m ready to justify that Renzetti to my s.o."… That’s a sure sign that there’s another one hooked pretty good…. You should save your note and review it and your inventory of tying stuff in five years…. Greg

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– dave’s homepage madness http://www.ime.net/~dbottom  Discounting my time, I figure a fly costs me $0.05-0.10 each to make. Where do you buy your hooks? I pay over 10 cents each buying them in 100 packs? Willi

I got hooks coming out my ears for most styles…but the last box of hooks I bought, 94840’s were about $5.50 so maybe the estimate was slightly low..given that those hooks cost 5.5 cents each, 10 cents is still pretty close on the cost dave — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ime.net/~dbottom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve learned to become an ecconomical tyer over the years. I have a real difficult time spending $60 plus on a chicken skin, so when I fish dries it usually comparaduns, sparkle duns, LaFontaine Emergers, terrestrials, etc. They all work and float great and there’s no expensive hackle involved. <Snip If you got to have all the bells and whistles and if you refuse to improvise a little, sure, you’ll spend a fortune on this hobby. But at this point in the game I spend far less a year on materials than I would on "quality" flies at $1.75 or more each. jka

 Have you tried the Tom Thumb? It is THE dry fly in British Columbia. Can be fished as a caddis or mayfly imitation and uses three materials: hook, working thread, and deer hair. It is described in The Gilly. — Vic Brockett Vic’s Fly-By-Night http://www.navicom.com/~vic

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How many fly tyers out there got started, like me, because you thought you’d save a lot of money?

Initially, I thought that I would save some money.  And in fact, I do (or I will after I tie many more flies).  My problem is that I enjoy tying new and different flies, therefore, I am always adding new materials that keeps the cost per fly high.           I have found that tying my own flies adds a dimension to my fishing.  Every time I tie one, I end up imagining where and what I will catch with it.  Most of all, I enjoy the satisfaction of tying a good fly.  The response from others to what I do has been phenomenal. I love to see the look on people’s faces when I show them a good fly and tell them that I have tied it.  It makes for some great conversation.   All in all it is unbeatable M. Richardson

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Good point.  Actually, given a moderate inflation rate, you may actually break even a few years earlier.  Me too.  Gosh.  I guess I don’t feel so bad now! —                                                            -dnc- Here’s one in the "jokes-on-me" category. How many fly tyers out there got started, like me, because you thought you’d save a lot of money?

Paul Wilson responded – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I completely disagree with you.  I figure it costs me less than 50 cents per fly, and I have a less than $10,000 in equipment and materials. What the heck, after the age of 150, I’ll be saving money buddy!

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Its not about saving money!!  If that were the case we wouldn’t be in this sport.  It’s about fooling the bass (trout) into believing that what you tied is for real.  It’s about relaxing and expounding you horizons – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s one in the "jokes-on-me" category. How many fly tyers out there got started, like me, because you thought you’d save a lot of money? (Don’t get me wrong.  I get a lot of fun out of tying, and it’s hard to think of anything better than site casting a dry you tied to a fish and having him get fooled.  But I still have to laugh at myself about my initial misconception about tying.)                                                                -dnc-

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I’ve learned to become an ecconomical tyer over the years. I have a real difficult time spending $60 plus on a chicken skin, so when I fish dries it usually comparaduns, sparkle duns, LaFontaine Emergers, terrestrials, etc. They all work and float great and there’s no expensive hackle involved. Actually, I fish nymphs about 70% or better of the time. You can tie a lot of Pheasant Tails and Hare’s Ears for next to nothing. I figure each fly probably cost me 10-20 cents. The main kicker is that once you a become proficient tyer, you can tye a heck of a lot better fly than you buy I also refuse to spend the extra money for Tiemco hooks. Mustad’s quality and the styles offered have improved over recent years and they’re a heck of a lot more reasonably priced. If you got to have all the bells and whistles and if you refuse to improvise a little, sure, you’ll spend a fortune on this hobby. But at this point in the game I spend far less a year on materials than I would on "quality" flies at $1.75 or more each. jka

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Sandman, When I got into fly fishing it wasn’t expensive.  My entire outfit cost less than $100, and that included fly tying equipment.  I still have much of it today and still use it.  Of course the addiction today is the same as it was then. Ernie Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its not about saving money!!  If that were the case we wouldn’t be in this sport.  It’s about fooling the bass (trout) into believing that what you tied is for real.  It’s about relaxing and expounding you horizons

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How many fly tyers out there got started, like me, because you thought you’d save a lot of money? …….But I still have to laugh at myself about my initial misconception about tying.)                                  -dnc-

Well I did. over the past 15 years I’ve paid out probably between $600-800 for tools and materials, and at an average cost of $1.50 a fly I’ve probably saved alot. I now have most materials in abundance, perhaps more than I’ll use for the rest of my life. About all I purchase now are hooks, head cement, and occasional spool of thread and hackle every few years, though I do lust after a really good rotating vice, maybe this year…. I go through 50-100 flies a year, and usually give a bunch away to some budding angler, which makes their day. I Also feel that the quality of my flies is much higher than commercial flies, even those bought at premium shops like LL Beans. I have also modified many patterns to fit the local hatches better, and as a result I believe that I catch more and bigger fish. Tying gives you the option to experiment with materials like white skunk, which is very straight and translucent when wet, or to tie up maribou versions of popular streamers like a grey ghost that work much better in moving waters. Then there are the "secret" patterns, a few of which are not available anywhere but on my vice and that of a couple close friends. Discounting my time, I figure a fly costs me $0.05-0.10 each to make. The time is no big deal, I usually tie on those slow Sundays when I’m actively not watching some sports megaevent on TV, or during the long cold winters here in Maine. tight lines!

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In tying, unlike fishing, if you do everything just right, you will definitely be rewarded – with a nice fly! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many fly tyers out there got started, like me, because you thought you’d save a lot of money? D. Howell

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many fly tyers out there got started, like me, because you thought you’d save a lot of money? …….But I still have to laugh at myself about my initial misconception about tying.)                                  -dnc- I completely disagree with you.  I figure it costs me less than 50 cents per fly, and I have a less than $10,000 in equipment and materials.   Paul < 10k in equipment?  Not saving money tying flies?  Where you guys shopping?   Just started tying.  Vise was free, used, but holds a hook no problems. Bobbin, couple types of scissors, thread, tinsel, wire, dubbing, herl, shaved a few bunnies at a friends ranch, mask, pheasant tail, etc….  I have a total investment of 60 bucks.  I have tied about 40 flies so far. Where I live  40 flies = 40 bucks, at least.  How could you not save money, even eventually as Paul (10k ??? are you serious?  Nah, can’t be.) pointed out.  I spend about 15 bucks avg on flies each trip, at least. Figure30-40 trips a year of varying degrees and I save lots of money every year. Ok, I’m ready to justify that Renzetti to my s.o. D. Howell

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Here’s one in the "jokes-on-me" category. How many fly tyers out there got started, like me, because you thought you’d save a lot of money?

I did save a lot of money.  The first year I lost so many flies in the trees and bushes that I found they had started their own hatch when I went back the next year.

You are the man, Ernie!  Do you give classes?

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How many fly tyers out there got started, like me, because you thought you’d save a lot of money? …….But I still have to laugh at myself about my initial misconception about tying.)                                  -dnc- I completely disagree with you.  I figure it costs me less than 50 cents per fly, and I have a less than $10,000 in equipment and materials.   Paul

< 10k in equipment?  Not saving money tying flies?  Where you guys shopping?   Just started tying.  Vise was free, used, but holds a hook no problems. Bobbin, couple types of scissors, thread, tinsel, wire, dubbing, herl, shaved a few bunnies at a friends ranch, mask, pheasant tail, etc….  I have a total investment of 60 bucks.  I have tied about 40 flies so far. Where I live  40 flies = 40 bucks, at least.  How could you not save money, even eventually as Paul (10k ??? are you serious?  Nah, can’t be.) pointed out.  I spend about 15 bucks avg on flies each trip, at least. Figure30-40 trips a year of varying degrees and I save lots of money every year. Ok, I’m ready to justify that Renzetti to my s.o. D. Howell

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Here’s one in the "jokes-on-me" category. How many fly tyers out there got started, like me, because you thought you’d save a lot of money?

I did save a lot of money.  The first year I lost so many flies in the trees and bushes that I found they had started their own hatch when I went back the next year. Ernie Harrison

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Here’s one in the "jokes-on-me" category. How many fly tyers out there got started, like me, because you thought you’d save a lot of money? (Don’t get me wrong.  I get a lot of fun out of tying, and it’s hard to think of anything better than site casting a dry you tied to a fish and having him get fooled.  But I still have to laugh at myself about my initial misconception about tying.)                                                                -dnc-

I completely disagree with you.  I figure it costs me less than 50 cents per fly, and I have a less than $10,000 in equipment and materials. What the heck, after the age of 150, I’ll be saving money buddy! Paul

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Here’s one in the "jokes-on-me" category. How many fly tyers out there got started, like me, because you thought you’d save a lot of money? (Don’t get me wrong.  I get a lot of fun out of tying, and it’s hard to think of anything better than site casting a dry you tied to a fish and having him get fooled.  But I still have to laugh at myself about my initial misconception about tying.)                                                                -dnc-

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We are taking a four-day trip to Citico Creek in East Tennessee next week. We would appreciate any suggestions that would help us catch a few trout while we are there. We are beginners in almost every way; we have gear but maybe not the right flies for this time of year and that location. Thanks in advance! Jim and Linnea

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We are taking a four-day trip to Citico Creek in East Tennessee next week. We would appreciate any suggestions that would help us catch a few trout while we are there. We are beginners in almost every way; we have gear but maybe not the right flies for this time of year and that location. Thanks in advance! Jim and Linnea

Dear Jim and Linnea! I live in Knoxville Tennessee and fish mostly in the smokies and sometimes in the national forest where you are going. I haven’t fished Citico creek but I fished North fork Citico and the south fork last year. It’s a little hot this time of the year so early morning or late evening is your options. I use mainly an attractor dry fly like parachute adams or a thunderhead which is a local dry pattern. My sizes would be a 12 or 14. Instead of going to Citico where you have to have a special permit to catch the stockers, I would go to wild streams like The North River or North and South fork of Citico. Bald River has plenty or Rainbows also. Expect the fish to be small though unless you fish in the Tellico River for stockers. I sometimes use a nymph or a terrestrial and my choices then would be a hopper or an ant pattern. For the nymphs a pheasant tail or Gold Ribbed Hare’s ear  will work as well as the Tellico nymph. E-mail me if you all have any other questions. I’m not an expert but I love mountain fishing. Sincerely Hans

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I would start with a 14 Elk Hair Caddis or an Adams. Light Cahills also do quite well. Also, with a little drive you could fish Little North River (a tributary of Telleco). I have always caught fish there. Good Luck Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are taking a four-day trip to Citico Creek in East Tennessee next week. We would appreciate any suggestions that would help us catch a few trout while we are there. We are beginners in almost every way; we have gear but maybe not the right flies for this time of year and that location. Thanks in advance! Jim and Linnea

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Gary: Check out the collection <Batfishing in the Rainforest, in which you’ll find an odd and entertaining story about fishing for "tarpon" (probably not) either in Singapore, or across the Causeway in Johor State, Malaysia. You might have been watching carp, which roll on occasion.    The Malay name for them is Ikan Putih (Fish White).  They will take flies, and a big one will battle you untll you’re older. Ikan Puyu are a deep-bodied fish shaped somewhat like large bream, reaching a pound or two.  They school in large numbers, and regularly rise to hatches in the evening. The Ikan Haruwan is called a bowfin here–a primitive, extremely aggressive and toothy fish, with a flattened head and large scales.  At night they move into the shallows, especially in marshy areas, to hunt fish and frogs.  They’ll take poppers and streamers.  Use shock tippet. Note:  night fishing in the tropics can be unnerving, and I’ve encountered both cobras and reticulated pythons, neither of which are as frightening as the mosquitoes (nyamok) of the northern Malay peninsula.  (The southern mosquitos are quite timid by comparison, but they do carry dengue fever.) Go with a local, although it’s too true that many in that area are surprisingly ignorant of their own fauna. There’s half a chance–or half of half that–you saw mahseer, a spectacular gamefish that looks something like the fish you describe.  The British sahibs chased them in India, and I know they can be found in northern Malaysia and Borneo.  Mahseer can be caught on flies, I understand; the larger specimens–to 200 pounds–are piscavores.   See <Down the Crazy River. The more remote areas of South China sea have a variety of saltwater fish typical for the equatorial region, though  pollution and fishing pressure are both excessive.  Barracuda can still be found.  Note, however, that the water from Singapore north to Thailand–and beyond–all through the Straits of Mallacca, is the major drug smuggling route for the Golden Triangle.   Most of those folks have better things to do than fool with you.  Most, anyway:  just fish in a most convincing manner. Certainly an interesting area.  

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I was in Singapore last week, as my company may relocate me out there for two years. I had guessed that would put and end to my fly fishing. I visited some gardens and there were a few lakes that you could fish. Some locals were there fishing with bait. To my surprise, around early afternoon, the lake was alive with rises. Some large fish could be seen rolling after taking a surface insect. I had no idea what the fish were, but they looked carp-like, with a dark back, golden sides and white bellies. Though I could not see the insect that was hatching I am sure I could catch them with, say, a tiny midge pattern or buzzer. The more I thought about, with the exception of the lack of trout, this has to be a kind of nirvana for flyfishing: no seasons, no major temperature changes, consistent weather all year round. This hatch could very well be a daily occurance.  Has anyone any information on fishing there? Also, if anyone has info on fly fishing in the Asia/Pacific region (I’ll be travelling all over and, happily, New Zealand will be included in this) I would greatly appreciate it. In any case, I’ll be sure to write to the group with my my own findings. Thanks, Gary McMeekin

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Hey guys–there are women on this list who are not "silly blondes" or "chicks."  Could we dispense with the neanderthal mentality and stick to flyfishing?   A smart brunette

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Stereotypes. They’re funny in every direction.  The subject says what it was, if you don’t want to read it, then don’t, if you do, don’t piss and moan. Take responsibility for your actions. Bob

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Hey guys–there are women on this list who are not "silly blondes" or "chicks."  Could we dispense with the neanderthal mentality and stick to flyfishing? A smart brunette

You could always bleach ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Hooks down to size 60!

For what?  The midge egg fly? I’d like to know if anyone out there really sees the need for a size 60 hook!   @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@   "See Dick fly-fish.    See Dick catch fish.    See Dick kill fish."           DON’T BE A DICK!  PRACTICE AND TEACH CATCH AND RELEASE @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@

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  Some of you have mentioned sizes down to 28`s.   Is this U.S size 28? Doesn’t matter.  Size 28 hooks are invisible; however, they are very good for catching imaginary trout on some phantom stream. anglerboy

28’s are an absolute extreme.  There are, however, small midges which are about this size.  A sz. 24 or 26 should be able to catch fish feeding on such bugs, however.  26’s are used for Trico spinner falls here, and 28’s are used late in the year.  The Trico’s themselves are acutually sz. 24’s.  The theory is that the wing material in the 24’s and even 26’s gets bent-back because it is limp and flexable enough that it’s length allows this.  On a sz. 28 and 26, the wing material is shorter so the "bent" wing is lessened.  This is true on fished-over trout. Jason Beary

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Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate!

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Hooks down to size 60! For what?  The midge egg fly? I’d like to know if anyone out there really sees the need for a size 60 hook!   @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@  "See Dick fly-fish.   See Dick catch fish.   See Dick kill fish."      DON’T BE A DICK!  PRACTICE AND TEACH CATCH AND RELEASE @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@

Can anyone see a size 60! Peter

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Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate!

It just so happens that "Ginky looking" means "Good Looking". It also means Goodfellow or he is a good gink.  It also means baby salmon or smolt or fish.  Regarding the intent of the meaning applied t this lost, old, old word that I restored into usage, in our case it means, "Good Fisherman".  It is a word which dresses another in compliments. You’re certainly welcome.  Show me where this blonde is! Mr. G.

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Hey guys–there are women on this list who are not "silly blondes" or "chicks."  Could we dispense with the neanderthal mentality and stick to flyfishing? A smart brunette You could always bleach ?

No good will become a fellow who longs after bleached things. Humble manner… Close shave every Thursday… Spinolio

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate! It just so happens that "Ginky looking" means "Good Looking". It also means Goodfellow or he is a good gink.  It also means baby salmon or smolt or fish.  Regarding the intent of the meaning applied t this lost, old, old word that I restored into usage, in our case it means, "Good Fisherman".  It is a word which dresses another in compliments. You’re certainly welcome.  Show me where this blonde is! Mr. G. According to Webster gink means a trick, a term of reproach applied to a woman, or a man or boy regarded as odd. Good for you in restoring it’s meaning<g, and good luck with the blonde. Charlie…

In Webster’s New Twentieth Century Dictionary "Unabridged" that is SIX INCHES THICK and printed from 1904 – 1953-4 the word GINK is not listed Charlie.  However; in The Century Dictionary AN ENCYCLOoPEDIC LEXICON OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE copyrighted in 1889, it is listed and referred to as a word of antiquity that is seldom if ever used.  The definitions that I posted are accurrate and are the original historical story of the word ‘gink’ which this works explains of all words.  When first recorded as used . . . several examples how to use the words, etc. Webster, in this case is totally incorrect.  In fact, the word ‘gink’ had not been used in any known literature or newspapers world-wide for a long time.  Attesting to how remote it had been removed from the English language and the use thereof.  You just don’t hear people going around and referring to an endearing gentleman today ans a fine gink of a man. You don’t hear fishermen referring to baby salmon as gink salmon but smolt instead . . . anymore.  My spin on the word in naming Gehrke’s Gink was to revive the word to mean a product that is used by "Good Fishermen" or literally, "Good Gentlemen".  In fact, the name Gehrke’s Gink was so odd at the time of its introduction that anything with a name as crazy as this one . . ."I just have to try it once, has to be good," is what helped endear this world’s best product to a public that at the time didn’t have a dry fly dressing that worked and which was chemically safe.  But that is another story. I love the word GINK!  It is a fun word and I can assure you Charlie, no where in human history in the finest libraries I have been in, does any demeaning definitions of the word occur, until in the most recent times when hundreds of people now have what they think are literally hundreds of differnt meanings . . . because they are putting ‘their spin on the word.’  It is a strange sounding word to the ear, for one thing.  But any old Dictionary Brittanica Encyclopedia has the original meanings still intact.  In fact, just the word ‘Salmo or Salmon’ can cover nearly a thousand words in such a set just explaining Salmon.  GINK are indeed baby smolt, or salmon Charlie.  I’ve been studying this word for over 25 years.  There has never, never been a derogatory definitions to the word until recently.  To the best of my knowledge. The spring salmon are starting to move up the Snake here and the little ginks will soon be searching, once again, the callings of the sea. From one good old Gink to another fine Gink, I remain, Sincerely, Mr. Gink George Gehrke Your friend

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate! It just so happens that "Ginky looking" means "Good Looking". It also means Goodfellow or he is a good gink.  It also means baby salmon or smolt or fish.  Regarding the intent of the meaning applied t this lost, old, old word that I restored into usage, in our case it means, "Good Fisherman".  It is a word which dresses another in compliments. You’re certainly welcome.  Show me where this blonde is! Mr. G.

According to Webster gink means a trick, a term of reproach applied to a woman, or a man or boy regarded as odd. Good for you in restoring it’s meaning<g, and good luck with the blonde. Charlie…

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Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  

At 53 years of age I like to stop at a #20 hook and just try to get the body of the fly a little smaller. On the last week of the 96 season we caught some medium size trout on # 3 weight outfits with 7x tippet and #20 flies. This is about my limit. I know that others go much further down the scale and it is just OK with me. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate!

You’re absolutely correct Nancy.  Please accept this sincere apology. OBROFF: This blond is standing in a creek with some hipboots on and holding a flyrod, whipping it back and forth with obvious growing anxiety… Along comes our friend, Dan Gracia, who…in a very gentlemanly and professional tone asks what the problem is… "I can’t catch any flies", answers our Platinum Pflueger Pflogger. "I think I see your problem", says Dan who reaches into the reel, pulls out the tippet and begins threading it through the guides… "Do you have any flies ?", he asks her "I told you already, I couldn’t catch any…." — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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<snip There has never, never been a derogatory definitions to the word until recently.  To the best of my knowledge.

I am not a scholar of the word GINK, that is true<g. You may want to check out http://liberty.uc.wlu.edu/~hblackme/oed/gink.html which lists some annotated uses of the word gink from 1910 to 1970. I found it by doing a web search on the word ‘gink’. There’s more stuff out there as well. FWIW. Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Really, it’s silly.         So a young blonde girl goes into a salon to have her hair cut and sits down in the chair.  The barber/stylist/follicle engineer notices that the young lady is wearing a Walkman and is listening intently to what is coming in through the headphones.  They discuss what style she would like her hair done in, along with the usual pleasantries, and as they go to wash her hair, the stylist offers to take her headphones for her.  To this she replies with wide-eyed panic,"No!! You Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  Needless to say this shocked the stylist and she washed the girl’s hair while the girl continued to wear the headphones.         After the washing, the stylist began to cut the girl’s hair and again suggested the she remove the headphones.  Again the girl almost screamed,"No!! I Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  So the stylist continued to work and finally couldn’t take it anymore and ripped the headphones off of the girl’s head throwing them to the floor.  The girl sat bolt upright, turned and looked at the stylist with a horrible paniced expression, and fell to the floor convulsing and finally became unconscience.         The stylist went to her and tried to revive her, and as others helped, she couldn’t help but put on the headphones to see what it was that this young, healthy girl needed to hear in order to live.  And from the headphones she heard the steady rhythm of a voice saying," Breathe in, breathe out…" Told ya. Bob

Hmmm…why a blond girl?

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Really, it’s silly.         So a young blonde girl goes into a salon to have her hair cut and sits down in the chair.  The barber/stylist/follicle engineer notices that the young lady is wearing a Walkman and is listening intently to what is coming in through the headphones.  They discuss what style she would like her hair done in, along with the usual pleasantries, and as they go to wash her hair, the stylist offers to take her headphones for her.  To this she replies with wide-eyed panic,"No!! You Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  Needless to say this shocked the stylist and she washed the girl’s hair while the girl continued to wear the headphones.         After the washing, the stylist began to cut the girl’s hair and again suggested the she remove the headphones.  Again the girl almost screamed,"No!! I Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  So the stylist continued to work and finally couldn’t take it anymore and ripped the headphones off of the girl’s head throwing them to the floor.  The girl sat bolt upright, turned and looked at the stylist with a horrible paniced expression, and fell to the floor convulsing and finally became unconscience.         The stylist went to her and tried to revive her, and as others helped, she couldn’t help but put on the headphones to see what it was that this young, healthy girl needed to hear in order to live.  And from the headphones she heard the steady rhythm of a voice saying," Breathe in, breathe out." Told ya. Bob

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Really, it’s silly.         So a young blonde girl goes into a salon to have her hair cut and sits down in the chair.  The barber/stylist/follicle engineer notices that the young lady is wearing a Walkman and is listening intently to what is coming in through the headphones.  They discuss what style she would like her hair done in, along with the usual pleasantries, and as they go to wash her hair, the stylist offers to take her headphones for her.  To this she replies with wide-eyed panic,"No!! You Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  Needless to say this shocked the stylist and she washed the girl’s hair while the girl continued to wear the headphones.         After the washing, the stylist began to cut the girl’s hair and again suggested the she remove the headphones.  Again the girl almost screamed,"No!! I Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  So the stylist continued to work and finally couldn’t take it anymore and ripped the headphones off of the girl’s head throwing them to the floor.  The girl sat bolt upright, turned and looked at the stylist with a horrible paniced expression, and fell to the floor convulsing and finally became unconscience.         The stylist went to her and tried to revive her, and as others helped, she couldn’t help but put on the headphones to see what it was that this young, healthy girl needed to hear in order to live.  And from the headphones she heard the steady rhythm of a voice saying," Breathe in, breathe out…" Told ya. Bob

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  Now you can test your dries, emergers, and nymphs on the guppies in your kids’ goldfish bowl (C&R, of course). There are even rumors of a joint venture with a Seattle bio-tech firm for a size small enough to fair-hook a virus. Where will it end? I just heard that the Irish cloners have joined steelhead sperm with with mayfly eggs, and produced a natural fly with a hook already in it. Only the blonde ones work for fly fishing though…they have the hole in the head to tie on to! jg

     Takes a blonde to know a blonde.                                    Harv

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: I was fishing the San Juan a few years ago in the same area as a guide & : his client.  The client was doing considerably better than me, so I : asked the guide what size fly his clients was using. (I think the size : is more telling than the pattern) The guide replied "Size 40." : Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made : that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend : make them up for me." I used to have some 32’s around – looked like little bronze shavings brushed out of a file. It’s probable that the guy was pulling your leg, but who knows – there may well be some asshole out there selling 40’s by now. Regrettably, I can’t follow a 22 dry in rough water, so doubt that I could even guess where a 40 actually was ;-^) — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (250) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (250) 368-9341

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I must say that some of you have really helped me out with my quest for a lightweight outfit.Am now searching for local suppliers of these makes of rod etc,to get an idea of what to go for.Thanks. However,the U.K and U.S must be at cross-purposes when it comes to hook sizes. Some of you have mentioned sizes down to 28`s. Is this U.S size 28? How do you tie flys on hooks this size,I struggle on 22`s?? Are you using ultra light tippets. I thought i fished light with 18-22`s 1.5 pound tippet(Seems not)!! — All things great,come to those who wait. Not always the case,me thinks. K.A.White

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  Some of you have mentioned sizes down to 28`s.   Is this U.S size 28? Doesn’t matter.  Size 28 hooks are invisible; however, they are very good for catching imaginary trout on some phantom stream. anglerboy

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I was fishing the San Juan a few years ago in the same area as a guide & his client.  The client was doing considerably better than me, so I asked the guide what size fly his clients was using. (I think the size is more telling than the pattern) The guide replied "Size 40." Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." Helpful guy!!! Willi

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Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me."

No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  Now you can test your dries, emergers, and nymphs on the guppies in your kids’ goldfish bowl (C&R, of course).   There are even rumors of a joint venture with a Seattle bio-tech firm for a size small enough to fair-hook a virus.   Where will it end?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  Now you can test your dries, emergers, and nymphs on the guppies in your kids’ goldfish bowl (C&R, of course). There are even rumors of a joint venture with a Seattle bio-tech firm for a size small enough to fair-hook a virus. Where will it end?

I just heard that the Irish cloners have joined steelhead sperm with with mayfly eggs, and produced a natural fly with a hook already in it. Only the blonde ones work for fly fishing though…they have the hole in the head to tie on to! jg

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A brief followup to my previous Paint Branch query: A friend and I fished there today (in the snow!) downstream of Briggs Cheney Road, upstream of Fairland Road. It looked like good trout habitat, relatively clear water, good riffles and drops, nice pools, good forest buffer for a hundred yards or more on either side… …but no fish in sight.  (The only sign of life was one little sculpin wriggling across the bottom.)  Are the trout extinct there, or just hibernating still? Scott in DC

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A brief followup to my previous Paint Branch query: A friend and I fished there today (in the snow!) downstream of Briggs Cheney Road, upstream of Fairland Road. It looked like good trout habitat, relatively clear water, good riffles and drops, nice pools, good forest buffer for a hundred yards or more on either side… …but no fish in sight.  (The only sign of life was one little sculpin wriggling across the bottom.)  Are the trout extinct there, or just hibernating still? Scott in DC

Scott, Although I never tried fishing Paint Branch, I scouted it once during the early Summer with a pair of polarized glasses and observed two or three small trout.  By the way, there’s lots of great flyfishing for Smallmouth available in your local area. Regards, Eric Higgins

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