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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

The other night at terminal 2 Heathrow the last flights of the day were abnormally busy. The queue for the non  European passport holders was taking about 90 to 120 minutes to get through, and consisted of a mix of all nationalities. I happened to be in the immigration hall and stayed to monitor the queue. On five occasions I was approached by a person coming from an area between Canada and Mexico and the conversation went along similar lines. "Are you in charge here", "No and I’m nothing to do with the immigration service" where upon I was given a mouthful of abuse on how to run things and one person went as far a spitting on me. While these examples of how a certain nationality behaves when it travels abroad was going on I kept looking at a rather tall gentleman towards the back of the queue who seemed vaguely familiar. It wasn’t until after he had left politely wishing us a good evening that I realised it was a very well known Aussie tennis player, who now doubt had he asked would have been fast tracked but he didn’t and just waited with everyone. Seems the Aussies can behave a lot better than certain others. — Lansbury LHR(T2) www.uk-air.net

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course. Don’t mind JT, he’s just bitter because he has a little dick and Aussie women laugh at him.

Really ??? JT: agreed LOL DuHasse! risking a lil less endowment by the dork dictionary ROFL

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 I will definitely fly QANTAS next time…peace, quiet, kids kept under control, not staring into the balding head of the person in front whilst trying to eat lunch….definitely sounds like my sort of airline.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband, son, and I just got back from Australia.  We flew Los Angeles to Sydney and back on Qantas, as well as several domestic flights with them inside Australia.  I had always heard that Qantas had great service, which is why I was shocked at how poor it was.  Flight attendants were invariably rude. Service was efficient but cold and impersonal.  Twice (on two separate flights) the passengers behind complained about our reclined seats.  Each time the flight attendant came and barked an order at us to raise the seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved).  On all flights they were extremely neurotic about the carryons too.  All in all it was a horrible experience.  All the more so when you consider that we’re used to flying in the U.S. where service is supposed to be so bad.  All I can say is after this experience I have a new respect U.S. airlines. Marie Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course. Quite! sounds like the usual ‘family from hell’ who cannot control children or dicipline them or keep them quiet, why the hell should we suffer because of their unruly behaviour, Good old Qantas staff,  we need a few more of them around in this day and age of unruly parents and kids. martin

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course. Well known fact in airline circles, the reason that Qantas has a higher number of male -well built flight attendants on the Asia/London routes is to get the ozzies well inebriated on their beer before Singapore, and then they sleep the way to London without much more bother, those that do make it, are well dealt with by the *heavies* on board.

QF male FA’s are well – known in gay circles for being *very* cute.  Dating one is a "catch"…. — Best Greg gregorymorrowatmsndotcom

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I’ve long thought that now smoking is banned on almost all carriers that it is long past time that children and their unruly parents were sat at the back of the cabin.

I have been seated across the aisle from a baby and even right next to a baby on another flight (bulkkead, middle section). All were very long flights (10+ hours). And none were a real problem. In the case of the baby across the aisle, I remember it being entertaining in the morning because the baby was really cute and trying to grab passengers waiting in line to go to the bathroom. It was entertaining. Perhaps I have been lucky, and I realise that perhaps some babies are noiser than others, but I doubt that a baby would cry for 10 hours nonstop. For shorter flights though where a significant portion of the flight is the descent, I guess one could state that the baby bcried most of the way.

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five occasions I was approached by a person coming from an area between Canada and Mexico and the conversation went along similar lines. "Are you in charge here",

In all fairness to the folks between canada and mexico, there are some of them who are nice educated tourists. The problem with those is that by their nature, you do not notice them. And if you only notice the loud impolite ones, then you do get a very bad image from the tourists of that country. Seems the Aussies can behave a lot better than certain others.

I think that Kiwis would disagree with that statement, especially when they refer to Sydneysiders. Does the expression "loud and brash" ring a bell ? Every country has bad tourists. But I agree that people from certain countries expects to be treated like kings and don’t accept that folks do things differently in different parts of the world. And those tend to stand out. But when you think about it, Parisians should be thankful of McDonalds and EuroDisney. Those tourists would tend to go to McDonalds, thus enabling good restaurants in Paris to remain free of such tourists

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I’ve long thought that now smoking is banned on almost all carriers that it is long past time that children and their unruly parents were sat at the back of the cabin. I’ve never thought it alright to have someone else’s brat inflicted on adults for any amount of time, let alone a long haul flight. It’s even worse when you get one in the premium cabins from where in my opinion anyone under the age of 16 ought to be banned! For several years at check-in I’ve stated that I don’t mind where I sit as long as there are no children in the adjoining rows, I know a few people who now do the same – maybe the airlines will listen!

I find that when parents, who really have no business being parents, allow their children to run amok and laugh as the little shits pester people, change their attitude rather quickly when they hear someone say "If someone doesn’t get these little cunts under control they’re going to be short a few kids" and the kids are miraculously whisked away (they suddenly remember that they are parents and have a job to do). Maybe it’s not the politest of ways to handle such a situation, but hey, it’s not polite to inflict your kids on other people either.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband, son, and I just got back from Australia.  We flew Los Angeles to Sydney and back on Qantas, as well as several domestic flights with them inside Australia.  I had always heard that Qantas had great service, which is why I was shocked at how poor it was.  Flight attendants were invariably rude. Service was efficient but cold and impersonal.  Twice (on two separate flights) the passengers behind complained about our reclined seats.  Each time the flight attendant came and barked an order at us to raise the seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved).  On all flights they were extremely neurotic about the carryons too.  All in all it was a horrible experience.  All the more so when you consider that we’re used to flying in the U.S. where service is supposed to be so bad.  All I can say is after this experience I have a new respect U.S. airlines. Marie Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

Quite! sounds like the usual ‘family from hell’ who cannot control children or dicipline them or keep them quiet, why the hell should we suffer because of their unruly behaviour, Good old Qantas staff,  we need a few more of them around in this day and age of unruly parents and kids. martin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved). Quiet and well-behaved when you have had two complaints already?!!! I DON’T THINK SO MATE! You’re just a wee bit delusional there. I’ve had too many experiences with children sitting next to me that finally I’ve decided to have the ‘no thanks, no more children next to me’. All the worse experiences have been there from this little girl who wanted to go the toilet screaming her head off when we were about to land (BA Madrid-London), to a group of four children taking all the middle seats and since I was flying alone I had to be seated next to them while they played seats switching UNTIL finally this little brat (oh how  children are cursed by one rotten apple) spilled his orange juice all over me while I was fucking sleeping (BA/QA codeshare Sydney-London) . Nah in this regard, keep your fucking children well-behaved. Especially in long flights. And rest assured I won’t be taking any of my children on any long flights until they reach their teen years. Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course. LOL

I’ve long thought that now smoking is banned on almost all carriers that it is long past time that children and their unruly parents were sat at the back of the cabin. I’ve never thought it alright to have someone else’s brat inflicted on adults for any amount of time, let alone a long haul flight. It’s even worse when you get one in the premium cabins from where in my opinion anyone under the age of 16 ought to be banned! For several years at check-in I’ve stated that I don’t mind where I sit as long as there are no children in the adjoining rows, I know a few people who now do the same – maybe the airlines will listen! Pete.

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on an Aussie woman

I think you mean "in". The answer is probably … average… for an Australian.  ;) D.

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

Well known fact in airline circles, the reason that Qantas has a higher number of male -well built flight attendants on the Asia/London routes is to get the ozzies well inebriated on their beer before Singapore, and then they sleep the way to London without much more bother, those that do make it, are well dealt with by the *heavies* on board. martin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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says… I must admit that I have done the trip from the UK a few times and the Quantas service was not the best.We normally fly Singapore.

(Craig Welch impression on) Pity.  You may want to try Qantas instead. (Craig Welch impression off)

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course. Don’t mind JT, he’s just bitter because he has a little dick and Aussie women laugh at him. So how big is the average dick on an Aussie woman?

Youre gay!

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Don’t mind JT, he’s just bitter because he has a little dick and Aussie women laugh at him. So how big is the average dick on an Aussie woman?

Our women aren’t like the women you’re used to, they don’t have dicks, and we like it that way!

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Quite! sounds like the usual ‘family from hell’ who cannot control children or dicipline them or keep them quiet, why the hell should we suffer because of their unruly behaviour, Good old Qantas staff,  we need a few more of them around in this day and age of unruly parents and kids. martin

It sounds like a Troll to me, and not a very good one. Herdy.

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course. Don’t mind JT, he’s just bitter because he has a little dick and Aussie women laugh at him.

So how big is the average dick on an Aussie woman?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband, son, and I just got back from Australia.  We flew Los Angeles to Sydney and back on Qantas, as well as several domestic flights with them inside Australia.  I had always heard that Qantas had great service, which is why I was shocked at how poor it was.  Flight attendants were invariably rude. Service was efficient but cold and impersonal.  Twice (on two separate flights) the passengers behind complained about our reclined seats.  Each time the flight attendant came and barked an order at us to raise the seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved).  On all flights they were extremely neurotic about the carryons too.  All in all it was a horrible experience.  All the more so when you consider that we’re used to flying in the U.S. where service is supposed to be so bad.  All I can say is after this experience I have a new respect U.S. airlines. Marie Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

Reminds me of the words of Charles Luckman: "The trouble with America is that there are far too many wide open spaces surrounded by teeth."

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course. Don’t mind JT, he’s just bitter because he has a little dick and Aussie women laugh at him.

One of the main reasons I moved from the UK to Adelaide,South Australia was due to the people and their attitude. I suppose the lousy weather and cost of living does make a lot of Brits miserable – but there are many good un’s. I have never felt so welcome as when in Australia , people are so welcoming and helpful ( just started fishing and I have had loads of offers to teach me ). Perhaps the people who complain about Aussies and Brits should mix with them a little more. I must admit that I have done the trip from the UK a few times and the Quantas service was not the best.We normally fly Singapore. Russell — — auSEElife Run by migrants -for migrants Lot 11 Penneys Rise,Onkaparinga Hills,SA 5163 ICQ 119580733, Yahoo Messenger:russ1926,Fax +61 8 8186 1538

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seem ur kids must be a right snob maybe ..view it from the other viewpoint of pax .. most kids can be quiet and stuff but maybe ur wasnt? look outside the circle… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you expect when you take kids on a plane.  Most people want to have a QUIET relaxing flight. Not have screaming bloody kids jumping up and down infront of them. You people with kids should for once in your lives consider that a lot of people dont actually like kids and find them rather annoying. You must have just picked the two worst lots of flights then cos I can tell you Qantas is on of Aus’s best airlines. My husband, son, and I just got back from Australia.  We flew Los Angeles to Sydney and back on Qantas, as well as several domestic flights with them inside Australia.  I had always heard that Q

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seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved).

Quiet and well-behaved when you have had two complaints already?!!! I DON’T THINK SO MATE! You’re just a wee bit delusional there. I’ve had too many experiences with children sitting next to me that finally I’ve decided to have the ‘no thanks, no more children next to me’. All the worse experiences have been there from this little girl who wanted to go the toilet screaming her head off when we were about to land (BA Madrid-London), to a group of four children taking all the middle seats and since I was flying alone I had to be seated next to them while they played seats switching UNTIL finally this little brat (oh how  children are cursed by one rotten apple) spilled his orange juice all over me while I was fucking sleeping (BA/QA codeshare Sydney-London) . Nah in this regard, keep your fucking children well-behaved. Especially in long flights. And rest assured I won’t be taking any of my children on any long flights until they reach their teen years. Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

LOL

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

Don’t mind JT, he’s just bitter because he has a little dick and Aussie women laugh at him.

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What do you expect when you take kids on a plane.  Most people want to have a QUIET relaxing flight. Not have screaming bloody kids jumping up and down infront of them. You people with kids should for once in your lives consider that a lot of people dont actually like kids and find them rather annoying. You must have just picked the two worst lots of flights then cos I can tell you Qantas is on of Aus’s best airlines. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband, son, and I just got back from Australia.  We flew Los Angeles to Sydney and back on Qantas, as well as several domestic flights with them inside Australia.  I had always heard that Qantas had great service, which is why I was shocked at how poor it was.  Flight attendants were invariably rude. Service was efficient but cold and impersonal.  Twice (on two separate flights) the passengers behind complained about our reclined seats.  Each time the flight attendant came and barked an order at us to raise the seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved).  On all flights they were extremely neurotic about the carryons too.  All in all it was a horrible experience.  All the more so when you consider that we’re used to flying in the U.S. where service is supposed to be so bad.  All I can say is after this experience I have a new respect U.S. airlines. Marie Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

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Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

Well, well … the gospel according to something that calls itself

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband, son, and I just got back from Australia.  We flew Los Angeles to Sydney and back on Qantas, as well as several domestic flights with them inside Australia.  I had always heard that Qantas had great service, which is why I was shocked at how poor it was.  Flight attendants were invariably rude. Service was efficient but cold and impersonal.  Twice (on two separate flights) the passengers behind complained about our reclined seats.  Each time the flight attendant came and barked an order at us to raise the seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved).  On all flights they were extremely neurotic about the carryons too.  All in all it was a horrible experience.  All the more so when you consider that we’re used to flying in the U.S. where service is supposed to be so bad.  All I can say is after this experience I have a new respect U.S. airlines. Marie

Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband, son, and I just got back from Australia.  We flew Los Angeles to Sydney and back on Qantas, as well as several domestic flights with them inside Australia.  I had always heard that Qantas had great service, which is why I was shocked at how poor it was.  Flight attendants were invariably rude. Service was efficient but cold and impersonal.  Twice (on two separate flights) the passengers behind complained about our reclined seats.  Each time the flight attendant came and barked an order at us to raise the seats.  They must hate children because on one of the flights an old man sitting in front turned around and yelled at my son to shut up, and on the return from Sydney to L.A. another old woman complained to the flight attendant about him and the flight attendant came over and ordered us to keep our child quiet and still (he is 9 and quiet well behaved).  On all flights they were extremely neurotic about the carryons too.  All in all it was a horrible experience.  All the more so when you consider that we’re used to flying in the U.S. where service is supposed to be so bad.  All I can say is after this experience I have a new respect U.S. airlines. Marie Sounds like you met the australians…the nastiest people on the face of the earth.  After the brits of course.

Know all the Brits then do you? well Thanks for tarring us all with the same – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Despite many indications to the contrary, I still have faith in the rationality of the human animal.  <g But you weren’t addressing one of those… <g

True – but give him credit for being half right…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Posted false winning of Florida by Gore to influence Western States like California, etc. while they were still open.< 1.  George, ALL the networks were giving Fla. to Gore at that time. 2.  IF there was a conspiracy, it was directed against Gore: lulling his western supporters into a false sense of security and energizing Bush voters to turn out to help offset the loss of Florida. Think about it. I did before I posted.  It was a ruse to keep Bush voters away from poles. Think about it.

—- I knew it, you guys were going to get back to fly fishing, after all.  Damn those Gore supporters keeping the republicans away from their fishing’s poles, or did you mean polls? —- Padishar Creel "What do we live for if it is not to make life less difficult to each other."  – George Eliot

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It was a ruse to keep Bush voters away from poles.

Those damn safety nazis at it again?  If Bush voters want to run into poles it’s their own damn business. ,      - Ken — "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness.  You have to catch it yourself."      -Ben Franklin

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Well, that’s one possibility.  The other might be to lull last minute Bush voters in the FL panhandle into thinking their cause was lost.  Why look for a conspiracy when stupidity and self-serving hubris are sufficient explanations? JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1.  George, ALL the networks were giving Fla. to Gore at that time. 2.  IF there was a conspiracy, it was directed against Gore: lulling his western supporters into a false sense of security and energizing Bush voters to turn out to help offset the loss of Florida. Think about it.

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Bellows writes: and dan rather… i don’t give a fuck how accurate historically your exit pollsters have been… they weren’t yesterday, and when a candidate is leading in the polls, you don’t call the race against them (washington senate race). Last election they had the wrong person winning the senate race in NH.  Dan Rather announced it very early in the evening and later changed it without an apology.   You are right about cbs sports too.

yeh, i’ve had a bug in my ass about their sports coverage since their coverage of the olympics… some things are unforgivable <G. cb

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Bellows writes: and dan rather… i don’t give a fuck how accurate historically your exit pollsters have been… they weren’t yesterday, and when a candidate is leading in the polls, you don’t call the race against them (washington senate race).  

Last election they had the wrong person winning the senate race in NH.  Dan Rather announced it very early in the evening and later changed it without an apology.   You are right about cbs sports too. Dave

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True – but give him credit for being half right…

I believe you meant half-there…< And I believe I mean fuck you.

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With 1% of the vote in, while the polls were still open in west Florida it was Bush 53  Gore 48, the networks decided Gore had won. The "data" is collected by one agency paid by the collective networks. It was an obvious bad call which was backed unchallenged by the nets. Only a call from bush headquarters made them check the figures-major WHOOPS, others followed.

well, it wasn’t just florida.  the networks really need to get rid of any competitive urges from the elections.  it’s not about who figures it out first, but being correct.  that i know of there were three fuck ups… two in florida and one in the washington senate race.  and dan rather… i don’t give a fuck how accurate historically your exit pollsters have been… they weren’t yesterday, and when a candidate is leading in the polls, you don’t call the race against them (washington senate race).  i sure wish i got another channel besides cbs last night… they fucking suck at everything they do.  their sports coverage sucks, their local news are parasites, the national news bores me to death.

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With 1% of the vote in, while the polls were still open in west Florida it was Bush 53  Gore 48, the networks decided Gore had won. The "data" is collected by one agency paid by the collective networks. It was an obvious bad call which was backed unchallenged by the nets. Only a call from bush headquarters made them check the figures-major WHOOPS, others followed.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Posted false winning of Florida by Gore to influence Western States like California, etc. while they were still open.< 1.  George, ALL the networks were giving Fla. to Gore at that time. 2.  IF there was a conspiracy, it was directed against Gore: lulling his western supporters into a false sense of security and energizing Bush voters to turn out to help offset the loss of Florida. Think about it.

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True – but give him credit for being half right…

I believe you meant half-there…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Posted false winning of Florida by Gore to influence Western States like California, etc. while they were still open.  Federal Reserve, powers that be behind the Network scenes, responsible.  Greenspan and cronies still control or trying to control elections and American People. No joke.  Doesn’t look like it won’t work this time but MSNBC is a crooked operation in reporting the truth and breaking the rules. — MrG. *now* i understand the meaning of "psycophant". thanks, george. wayne

no that’s psychopath !!

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Well, that’s one possibility.  

The other might be to lull last minute Bush voters in the FL panhandle into thinking their cause was lost.  Why look for a conspiracy when stupidity and self-serving hubris are sufficient explanations?< Uhhh, I was responding to Gink’s "Greenspan Conspiracy Theory."   *I* don’t need one, I was just offering one that I consider MORE plausible (as your’s is).  Greenspan for Gore?   Get a grip George.

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Despite many indications to the contrary, I still have faith in the rationality of the human animal.  <g

But you weren’t addressing one of those… <g — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Posted false winning of Florida by Gore to influence Western States like California, etc. while they were still open.< 1.  George, ALL the networks were giving Fla. to Gore at that time. 2.  IF there was a conspiracy, it was directed against Gore: lulling his western supporters into a false sense of security and energizing Bush voters to turn out to help offset the loss of Florida. Think about it.

I did before I posted.  It was a ruse to keep Bush voters away from poles. Think about it. — Mr.. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html (shop site)   affordable bamboo flyrods & blanks

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you were doing fine, harry, until you

told him to "think about it".   <g< Despite many indications to the contrary, I still have faith in the rationality of the human animal.  <g

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Posted false winning of Florida by Gore to influence Western States like California, etc. while they were still open.  Federal Reserve, powers that be behind the Network scenes, responsible.  Greenspan and cronies still control or trying to control elections and American People. No joke.  Doesn’t look like it won’t work this time but MSNBC is a crooked operation in reporting the truth and breaking the rules. — MrG.

        *now* i understand the meaning of "psycophant".         thanks, george. wayne

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Think about it.

Uh, Harry, I don’t think that will happen<g. — Charlie…

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*now* i understand the meaning of "psycophant". thanks, george.

And now *I* understand the definition of the word "serendipity." My newserver is *still* not sending me those posts! –Steve

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Harry B. writes: 1.  George, ALL the networks were giving Fla. to Gore at that time.   2.  IF there was a conspiracy, it was directed against Gore: lulling his western supporters into a false sense of security and energizing Bush voters to turn out to help offset the loss of Florida.   Think about it.

you were doing fine, harry, until you told him to "think about it".   <g dave l.  (using lower case on my wife’s pc because my phone line is down….) Dave LaCourse

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Posted false winning of Florida by Gore

to influence Western States like California, etc. while they were still open.<   1.  George, ALL the networks were giving Fla. to Gore at that time.   2.  IF there was a conspiracy, it was directed against Gore: lulling his western supporters into a false sense of security and energizing Bush voters to turn out to help offset the loss of Florida.   Think about it.

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Posted false winning of Florida by Gore to influence Western States like California, etc. while they were still open.  Federal Reserve, powers that be behind the Network scenes, responsible.  Greenspan and cronies still control or trying to control elections and American People. No joke.  Doesn’t look like it won’t work this time but MSNBC is a crooked operation in reporting the truth and breaking the rules. — MrG. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html (shop site)   affordable bamboo flyrods & blanks

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I am looking for some new leader formulas for dry fly fishing. I want a 16-18 ft overall leader with tippit ( I use a long tippet, about 31/2 to 4 ft). I am fishing a 3 wt and 4 wt line at the present. Any suggestions? George

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http://globalflyfisher.com/fishbetter/leadercalc/index.html It might take awhile to digest, but there is an interesting leader formula program in there. Regards, Jeff

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Ernie, I assume you are in eastern PA? I am new to flyfishing, but do know where you can do some awesome striper fishing if you aren’t too far east. Raystown Lake has great landlocked striper fishing. 20-30 pounders are the norm and 40+ pounders are caught every year. They do have a website, not sure of the url. Try a search. good luck, Matt

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Hey Guys, Been Fishing the Salt with a fly rod and other tackle for a while now.  Always looking for people to go with.  Would be interested in hearing from any body close. I am in NW Montgomery county.  Any body interested shoot me an email. Ernie, I would suggest a 10WT for most of your fishing, and an intermediate shooting setup for most of your fishing in the surf.  Seems like you are doing battle with the wind most of the time.  Faster sinking lines are great from jetties and intlets.  Get a stipping basket.  Fishing the surf with a fly rod can be very productive for several species in NJ and north coast waters and sometimes it will out produce conventional and spin tackle. Experiment… Damian Damian NuWave Tackle Innovative products designed by fishermen for fishermen Fly Tying equip and matls., Tackle and more. http://www.nuwavetackle.com/

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Thanks Paul              Ernie

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Hello Ernie, Like any "species specific" fishing, you first have to know your quarry and then you must understand your quarry’s quarry.  Check out http://www.fishbelly.com , it’s a new web site that is loaded with great information on fishing for all species of fish.  However, to meet your needs, check out the article by Lefty Kreh on fishing his deceiver fly http://www.fishbelly.com/articles/lk110399.htm Bookmark the site because there’s a new article coming soon by Lou Tabory that deals with how to present your flies for best results.  We will also be highlighting the many different prey items that all species of game fish love.  We will include underwater images that will help you "match the hatch" so to speak, in salt water. I hope this info helps.  If you have any other questions, hop on the fishbelly message forum and I’ll be happy to try and answer them. Finally, if you’re looking for "in depth" — no pun intended — information on stripers, check out the selection of videos at Fishbelly.  As an underwater videographer who has spent over 40 years in the striper’s domain, I can promise you any of the Laptew Production videos will make you a better striper angler. Seize the day!  Go fishing. Mike

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After many years of trouting I would like to give stripers a try. I live in Penna, and can easily get to NJ or the Cape , beforo I start calling guides, some basic info      (when, where, with who) would be appreciated                                                  Thanks,                                                            Ernie

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After many years of trouting I would like to give stripers a try. I live in Penna, and can easily get to NJ or the Cape , beforo I start calling guides, some basic info      (when, where, with who) would be appreciated                                                  Thanks,                                                            Ernie

For equipment you’ll want a 9wt, a sinking line and a reel that’s doesn’t say freshwater only. You can use a 7wt but if it’s really windy or you catch a really big fish you’ll appreciate the 9wt. A few clouser and a a few decievers are all you’ll need for flies. The early season in MA chartruse is a good color. I can’t help with NJ. Check with a local shop for what colors are good. If you buy the flies at the same shop you’re likely to get better advice. Paul

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Have you found that those folks asking for quotes on 4 different boats with 16 different power options do or do not end up buying boats from you?  - Bud

I hold my breath for the day I sell a single boat via the web, Bud. I spend hours working on quotes and have not had a single sale to date. My feeling is that most people are using my quote to ensure their dealer is not out of line. Great for them, a poor allocation of time and resources for me. I suspect the used boats page (when up later this month) will prove more productive. — Regards,         Dave Brown         Brown’s Marina         Ontario, Canada         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

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Dave, with a Zero to X hit ratio, why do you bother to continue with the internet quotes?

Have you found that those folks asking for quotes on 4 different boats with 16 different power options do or do not end up buying boats from you?  -

Bud I hold my breath for the day I sell a single boat via the web, Bud. I spend hours working on quotes and have not had a single sale to date. My feeling is that most people are using my quote to ensure their dealer is not out of line. Great for them, a poor allocation of time and resources for me. I suspect the used boats page (when up later this month) will prove more productive. — Regards,         Dave Brown         Brown’s Marina         Ontario, Canada         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

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Dave, with a Zero to X hit ratio, why do you bother to continue with the internet quotes?

I guess because I’m waiting to see whether or not it will change in the future. The reality is, people are far more apt to be rude and demanding via the Internet than by phone because of anonymity and I suspect I will grow tired of this sooner rather than later. — Regards,         Dave Brown         Brown’s Marina         Ontario, Canada         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

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I hold my breath for the day I sell a single boat via the web, Bud. I spend hours working on quotes and have not had a single sale to date. My feeling is that most people are using my quote to ensure their dealer is not out of line. Great for them, a poor allocation of time and resources for me. I suspect the used boats page (when up later this month) will prove more productive. — Regards,        Dave Brown        Brown’s Marina        Ontario, Canada        http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

Dave, I think you’ll find your web site will indeed sell used product better than new.   Our web site has been very sucessful in marketing brokerage boats. Although I have been told by others their web based marketing attracts buyers for smaller boats, we’ve found just the opposite to be true. Good luck       bbys floridaboats.net

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Dave; For what it’s worth… I judge a new boat dealer based on before and after-sales service and that overall "comfort level" we can achieve that makes me feel that I’m being dealt with honestly and fairly and that I will be taken care of, whatever may come.  I would imagine it would be tough to get that over the web.  I would and have paid more to go with the dealer of my choice and would do so again. On used boats, it’s all a matter of price and survey, so I would agree that used boats would make a lot more sense on the web. On the other hand, maybe this just means that, if you keep at it, and find the right formula to get people to feel comfortable with buying boats off the web, maybe you will end up a gazillion-aire!  I don’t know where you are, but I have seen auto dealers that advertise that they will fly you to their dealership to see the car of your choice.  Maybe that’s what it would take to get them in the door, but you’d have to be really good at qualifying and pre-closing sales!  Just make them keep fishing or waterskiing and don’t let them back to the dock until they buy… ;o) Good Luck and Keep the Flame! – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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boy, when those Canadians vent you can just feel the flames all the way down south.

Does this signal an early spring since Dave is thawing things out early? Bruce Edwards Shreveport Yacht Club It revealed to me, down in my soul, there were two shooters on the grassy knoll, we never walked on the moon, Elvis ain’t dead, you ain’t goin’ crazy, it’s all in your head. Let us sing.

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Dave; Have you found that those folks asking for quotes on 4 different boats with 16 different power options do or do not end up buying boats from you?  - Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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Yep, I think he has Carl, Tell me , does an assult rifle have enough range to hit a target in florida from ontario?? hmmm, I better go check talk.politics.guns. till then I wear my kevlar cause I emailed dave for advice yesterday – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – LOOK OUT!!! Dave’s gone postal on us!!! Sorry Dave. . . I just couldn’t resist. If that’s venting, than you’ve got a lot more paitents than I do. I do agree with unspamming your addresses though. Carl G. Craver

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boy, when those Canadians vent you can just feel the flames all the way down south. Has a Canadian Mail Service Employee ever gone postal? — — Jim Proud, but feeble minded Regal Owner Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog: nobody enjoys it, and the

| It’s been a frustrating week in the e-mail department and I’m due to | vent again. | | Look folks, when you e-mail requesting information about a price or | service to anyone privately, UNSPAM you’re damn address so they don’t | have to find out after they deleted your inquiry that it bounced. | | One other pet peeve — asking for a quote on 4 models of boats with | sixteen motor options is simply unfair. Spend some time narrowing down | your search to make the request reasonable. | | The reality is, none of the people reading this post are the ones doing | this as these types of requests are usually generated by people who | surfed by my site. The reason I’m posting this is for anyone who who is | guilty of this when buying anything else on the net — think about what | you’re asking for. Reasonable requests get reasonable, timely replies. | | — | Regards, |         Dave Brown |         Brown’s Marina |         Ontario, Canada |         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca | |

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s been a frustrating week in the e-mail department and I’m due to vent again. Look folks, when you e-mail requesting information about a price or service to anyone privately, UNSPAM you’re damn address so they don’t have to find out after they deleted your inquiry that it bounced. One other pet peeve — asking for a quote on 4 models of boats with sixteen motor options is simply unfair. Spend some time narrowing down your search to make the request reasonable. The reality is, none of the people reading this post are the ones doing this as these types of requests are usually generated by people who surfed by my site. The reason I’m posting this is for anyone who who is guilty of this when buying anything else on the net — think about what you’re asking for. Reasonable requests get reasonable, timely replies. — Regards,        Dave Brown        Brown’s Marina        Ontario, Canada        http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

LOOK OUT!!! Dave’s gone postal on us!!! Sorry Dave. . . I just couldn’t resist. If that’s venting, than you’ve got a lot more paitents than I do. I do agree with unspamming your addresses though. Carl G. Craver

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It’s been a frustrating week in the e-mail department and I’m due to vent again. Look folks, when you e-mail requesting information about a price or service to anyone privately, UNSPAM you’re damn address so they don’t have to find out after they deleted your inquiry that it bounced. One other pet peeve — asking for a quote on 4 models of boats with sixteen motor options is simply unfair. Spend some time narrowing down your search to make the request reasonable. The reality is, none of the people reading this post are the ones doing this as these types of requests are usually generated by people who surfed by my site. The reason I’m posting this is for anyone who who is guilty of this when buying anything else on the net — think about what you’re asking for. Reasonable requests get reasonable, timely replies. — Regards,        Dave Brown        Brown’s Marina        Ontario, Canada        http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

I thought that only happened to me.  The one I like is the question to list the max speeds with all possible engine combos and payloads. Bill McCarty www.sandycreekws.com

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It’s been a frustrating week in the e-mail department and I’m due to vent again. Look folks, when you e-mail requesting information about a price or service to anyone privately, UNSPAM you’re damn address so they don’t have to find out after they deleted your inquiry that it bounced. One other pet peeve — asking for a quote on 4 models of boats with sixteen motor options is simply unfair. Spend some time narrowing down your search to make the request reasonable. The reality is, none of the people reading this post are the ones doing this as these types of requests are usually generated by people who surfed by my site. The reason I’m posting this is for anyone who who is guilty of this when buying anything else on the net — think about what you’re asking for. Reasonable requests get reasonable, timely replies. — Regards,         Dave Brown         Brown’s Marina         Ontario, Canada         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

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Bruce: Hey, you don’t have to rub our USA noses in it, do you?  Seriously, thanks for an informative post.  Of course, do you realize you just ruined your fishing? Now your area will become a dreaded "destination fishery", bringing yuppie Yankees crawling all over your fishing waters.  Articles will appear in fishing magazines, rods will be named after your favorite rivers, and if you’re really lucky there will be a Jeep model named in your honor.  :) Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmmm, humble Aussie here, and after reading numerous articles from the newsgroups I’ve gotta say you have to get down into the Southern Hemisphere. Where I live in Horsham in Western Victoria, down south in case you didn’t know, I have world class lake fishing virtually at my doorstep. Twenty minutes in one direction takes me to Lake Toolondo, home of sensational brown trout, and 30 minutes in the other direction takes me to Lake Fyans where I landed a lovely little rainbow on Sunday night. Lovely start to the working week, I must say. Seriously, without being flippant, I had no idea how lucky I was as far as my fly fishing goes until I started to read articles from the newsgroup. I don’t have to plan fishing trips. Mates simply call during the day, ask what I’m doing later and whether I’d like to go fishing. We pack our gear into the car and we’re there in no more than half an hour. And that’s to get to the best waters. There are plenty as close as 10 minutes away which produce browns to 5lb on a good day. If anyone’s considering an Aussie holiday, you could do worse than to visit from September through to March. Hope you like it hot, though. Regards, Bruce L.

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Mark Faulkner you’re really lucky there will be a Jeep model named in your honor.  :) The Subaru already has the "Outback".   Dave LaCourse

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Mark Faulkner you’re really lucky there will be a Jeep model named in your honor.  :) The Subaru already has the "Outback". Dave LaCourse

Jeez, how could I forget that.  Mark Faulkner

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Bruce: Hey, you don’t have to rub our USA noses in it, do you?  Seriously, thanks for an informative post.  Of course, do you realize you just ruined your fishing? Now your area will become a dreaded "destination fishery", bringing yuppie Yankees crawling all over your fishing waters.  Articles will appear in fishing magazines, rods will be named after your favorite rivers, and if you’re really lucky there will be a Jeep model named in your honor.  :) Mark Faulkner

Don’t worry about it Mark, Rex Hunt will probably be there, and he will keep the tourists away! Regards, — Bill

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Hi Folks: The following conditions prevail in the Lamoille and Winooski Watersheds in the Greater Burlington and Stowe Regions:  Water temps are in the mid to high 60’s. Perfect I would say.  Water levels are low and clear. Bright days and cold nights have made fishing very enjoyable with the greatest activity focused on the early morning and late evening hours. Sulphurs, little yellow stones and numerous tan, black and olive caddis have been in sufficient numbers to get the trout’s attention. Cream variants have been less predictable but no less exciting.  Small beadheads of any design have been producing in the riffles mid-day.  More cool clear weather is forecasted to the weekend with a chance for boomers on Saturday and Sunday.  Great summer fishing right now.  Enjoy.  As always you are welcome to email me with specific questions.  Good fishing. And oh yeah….for the hardy souls the hex hactch is still on at select Kingdom lakes.  "You don’t know unless you go". James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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Hi Folks, Beautiful weather here in Northern Vermont…daytime temps in the 70’s and nights in the low 50’s and high 40’s.  For the Winooski and Lamoille Watersheds in the greater Burlington and Stowe areas here are the river conditions: Super Fishing! Tricos are here…size 22 and 24, and 7X tippet and hold on.  Sulphurs, Blue Quill, Isonychia, and Potamanthus are here and there.  Elk Hair Caddis as always. Water temps are low 70’s and high 60’s.  Water is low and clear as a bell. Enjoy. Always happy to answer your questions. James Ehlers Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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Ask Kiene about Shad. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d love some suggestions for locations to fly fish near Sacramento or Napa….. I’m forced to be in the area in the evenings and have all of my fishing gear, but just don’t have the time to make it to the redding area. Thanks for the help, tight lines. Marc! assistants at 800/4000 FLYor better visit the  Kiene’s Fly Shop, 2654 Marconi Avenue, Sacramento, and they will tell you all you need to know. They are great fellows, they know the area and it’s one of the nicest fly shops i have visited! //Thorsten

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I’d love some suggestions for locations to fly fish near Sacramento or Napa….. I’m forced to be in the area in the evenings and have all of my fishing gear, but just don’t have the time to make it to the redding area. Thanks for the help, tight lines.

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I’d love some suggestions for locations to fly fish near Sacramento or Napa….. I’m forced to be in the area in the evenings and have all of my fishing gear, but just don’t have the time to make it to the redding area. Thanks for the help, tight lines.

Marc! assistants at 800/4000 FLYor better visit the  Kiene’s Fly Shop, 2654 Marconi Avenue, Sacramento, and they will tell you all you need to know. They are great fellows, they know the area and it’s one of the nicest fly shops i have visited! //Thorsten

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I’d love some suggestions for locations to fly fish near Sacramento or Napa….. I’m forced to be in the area in the evenings and have all of my fishing gear, but just don’t have the time to make it to the redding area. Thanks for the help, tight lines.

Marc! Kiene’s Fly Shop, 2654 Marconi Avenue, Sacramento, or call him or his assistants at 800/4000 FLY and they will tell you all you need to know. //Thorsten

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please E-mail me of you are selling a float tube at a fair price I live in the Vancouver Area B.C Canada

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please E-mail me of you are selling a float tube at a fair price I live in the Vancouver Area B.C Canada

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Of all the streams I fish in the great upper peninsula of michigan, the trout only seem to bite spinners and worms. I truly enjoy flyfishing rivers over spincasting, and was wondering if anyone fishes the u.p. with flyrods that can give me some tips. Thanks- Muskie

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I haven’t fished the U.P. (I have a buddy from near Houghton who threatens to take me, but that is another story).  Anyway, I can sympathize.  I grew up fishing in N.E. Minnesota (on the other side of Lake Superior) and found the same problems.  Most of the streams were small and choked with cedars, spuce, or alders.  The only spots open enough to fly fish seemed devoid of cover, and of course were devoid of fish. But keep searching..you will soon find that spot with both cover (shade) and casting room.  Try larger streams and look for boulders and plunge pools below rapids and falls.  Searching is all the fun.  Who other that a trout fisherman would spend hours slugging through brush, mud, and mosquitoes for hours to catch a 7-inch trophy. Tight Lines – Zeke

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Dear Muskie: When you refer to the U.P., you are talking about God’s country, which was also shared by the great Robert Traver.  I have spent a great deal of my youth and later years fishing the streams in the Central U.P..  The fly fishing is fine, and some of the best to be found anywhere. Streamers work especially well.  Try a Royal Coachmen, Muddler, or Black Ghost for good results.  The tried and true G.R. Hares Ear Nymph is a favorite, as well as a good selection of Bead Heads, and Zud Bugs.  No one should also venture out without a supply of Adams dry flies ranging in sizes from #12 to #20, also for a pattern to explore with, try a Betty (also called a Coachmen Trude).  The March Brown hatch can be spectacular, and takes place around the end of June through the first part of July, so carry some March Brown patterns. Just returned from two weeks in the U.P., and while the weather was not always spectacular, the fishing was good. Good Luck, Jim J.

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