The weather has finally warmed, water temps are up, ospreys are feeding chicks, bass are close in, panfish are feeding, the lake and river are full of gators vying for mates. On the beaches the salts are moving in close, sharks are biting, herons are stalking the water again with purpose. Starlings and robins have moved through. All is green (though dry) with the smell of magnolias, honeysuckle , confederate jasmine and citrus blossoms. In the cool damp mornings I wonder how anyone could live without the soothing of the senses in the south. Now if we could just get some rain paradise would be revived. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.
John, as much as I disliked my short residence in Orlando, you write of all the things I DID love about being there. Nothing like my little weekend jaunts into the swamps around Hunters Creek for bluegill, bass, gator dodging, wildlife watching, solitude, silence….or the occasional drive to Canaveral Seashore for a little surf fishing with a fly. Ohhhhh, sweet memories…. Bruce Thomsen
On a typical day of fishing – say on the recent San Juan Clave, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)? My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings. What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?
At the Maine Clave in September, the Lakewood Camps staff prepared sack lunches for people who didn’t want to interrupt their fishing at mealtime. I recently found the remains of a stick of cheese from one of those lunches in the bottom of one of the front pockets of my vest. I left it there for good luck. –Steve
Pretty much was Ken has said, except for the camera. My most important tool is a knot tying tool, although if I lost it I could use my hemostats to tie the clinch knots. I also carry a stick of "Mean streak", a magic marker for coloring the last 12 – 16 inches of tippet white. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller
"Peter Charles" wrote Different fish species usually means different stuff but the constants are: snip Peter
Nice list Peter, I also carry: Albolene Tippet material Extra leaders antiseptic Ernie
two condoms, a wine opener, a yashica t4super, two rolls of film (one b&w, one 400asa fuji print), and a waterproof copy of the kama sutra.
Two, huh? Who’s the other guy? –Steve
I also carry a stick of "Mean streak", a magic marker for coloring the last 12 – 16 inches of tippet white.
Interesting. I’ve never heard of doing something like that. I’m assuming that’s to make the tippet more invisible when fishing dry flies, no? Is that for mono tippet or only for flouro? I thought the darker colors were more invisible so this is news to me. –Steve
frog fanny What’s a frog’s ass doin in your vest? Seriously though, what is it?
Frog’s Fanny is a self-described "Double Duty Fly Treatment". I first learned of it this summer from Mary Dorsey’s guide friend who gave me a couple of his "Ray Charles Specials", (even a blind guy could catch a fish on this fly 
, that had been brushed with this stuff. I was REALLY impressed with it and said so here on ROFF. Turns out Charlie Wilson had discovered this stuff a long time ago and was so impressed he bought a whole case, just in case they ever went out of business, so he sent me a bottle. It’s essentially a very fine powder that you apply with a brush to work it into the dubbing. Highly recommended. — Ken Fortenberry
I also carry a stick of "Mean streak", a magic marker for coloring the last 12 – 16 inches of tippet white. "Zimbo" wrote … Interesting. I’ve never heard of doing something like that. I’m assuming that’s to make the tippet more invisible when fishing dry flies, no? Is that for mono tippet or only for flouro? I thought the darker colors were more invisible so this is news to me. –Steve
Zimbo, In some parts of the country there is a drifting caddis that spins a white line which helps it to drift. A white tippet resembles this line. Ernie
On a typical day of fishing – say on the recent San Juan Clave, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)? My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings. What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?
I’m a bit of a minimalist, but here goes… – flies (usually in two small boxes) – extra tippet – license – floatant – hemostat – sunglasses – trash bag (for carrying out garbage left by other fishermen) Don’t have a vest, usually use a generic fanny-pack. - Ken
Zimbo writes: I also carry a stick of "Mean streak", a magic marker for coloring the last 12 – 16 inches of tippet white. Interesting. I’ve never heard of doing something like that. I’m assuming that’s to make the tippet more invisible when fishing dry flies, no? Is that for mono tippet or only for flouro? I thought the darker colors were more invisible so this is news to me. –Steve
No. It is used to color the tippet (kind doesn’t matter) to mock the thread of net making caddis worms. It is a neat trick used on the Rapid and other rivers in Maine. It works with the green rock worm. Sometimes the worms (larva) are washed away from their rock, but hold on, not unlike a spider dangling from his web. Read Gary LaFontaine’sCaddisflies. Dave L.
On a typical day of fishing – say on the recent San Juan Clave, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)? My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings. What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?
in my wader pocket- -spool or 2 of maxima -license -hook file tucked inside front of wader (or if raining in rain jacket pockets)- -one flybox -one shooting head wallet for holding sink-tips vests suck,<G chris
Nice list Peter, I also carry: Albolene Tippet material Extra leaders antiseptic Ernie
I’ll be you carry yourself very well, Ernie. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
: Frog’s Fanny is a self-described "Double Duty Fly Treatment". : It’s essentially a very fine powder that you apply with a : brush to work it into the dubbing. Highly recommended. So is it bait or what? ;-) You never actually say what double duties it performs… JonCook. — Are you a r.o.f.f. newbie? Then see http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF/
On a typical day of fishing – say on the recent San Juan Clave, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)? My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings. What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?
There’s no rule that says you need to fill them. What I carry depends on where I’m fishing. For local waters or waters where I think I know what to expect, I have a somewhat minimal fishing shirt I use that has only two pockets. I carry floatant, nippers, and two spools of tippet. I carry two small flies boxes. Inside of one of the boxes there is some Biostrike strike ind. and a few small weights in addition to flies. I ALWAYS carry a pair of reading glasses. On waters I’m not familiar with, I carry a fully loaded vest but the main difference is more flies. I do try and avoid this because I find a fully loaded vest a pain. Willi
: Frog’s Fanny is a self-described "Double Duty Fly Treatment". … You never actually say what double duties it performs…
Blurb straight off the bottle; … Frog’s Fanny is not only the best dry fly floatant that you will ever use, now you can really "Match the Hatch" by coating your nymphs with Frog’s Fanny. It will put an air bubble around them that looks exactly like an emerging insect. It floats a dry fly better than anything I’ve ever used if brushed into the dubbing thoroughly, can’t vouch for the "air bubble around the nymph" claim. — Ken Fortenberry
good inventory snipped<
This shows me that I don’t fish often enough. To give the detailed inventory Ken offers, I’d have to get out my vest and check. I never carry my sunglasses in my vest, they stay on a neck cord. I don’t usually carry a compass, but I have taken a small GPS on occasion. Never needed a tape measure (yet). Don’t carry a Leatherman tool, but have a nifty little pair of curved needlenose pliers. All in all, I carry much the same stuff as Ken, except in my upper right outside pocket are some strike indicators. Nice idea for a thread, thanks TR.<
ditto. Joe F.
I’ll add ; a small pen lite flashlight, a cheap pair of reading glasses chap stick pocket knife – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings. What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with? Inside pockets (5): first aid kit leatherman tool map & compass car keys Outside vest: patch of amadou nipper on a retractable cord hemostat foam fly patch (can’t get barbless hooks to stay on a wool patch) hook hone Upper right pockets (2): leader wallet with spare leaders & licenses floatant frog fanny Orvis dessicant Upper left pockets (2): camera spools of tippet (usually 4X, 5X, 6X for trout) Lower right pockets (2): sunglasses whisky flask fly box Lower left pockets (3): stream thermometer (used to be outside next to hook hone but I lost too many) fly box red Mucilin patch of Cortland line cleaner container of assorted weights (rarely used 
tape measure Back of vest (two compartments): lunch water bottle rain jacket and a brand new landing net from Float ‘n Fish. Nice idea for a thread, thanks TR.
Harry Mason www.Troutflies.com *** "Quality Flies for a Trout’s Eyes"
Different fish species usually means different stuff but the constants are: nippers hemostat hook sharpener magnet-needle-nailknot thingie key to the back of my truck flashlight thermometer bandaids compass matches splitshot strike indicator putty spare sunglasses also usually carry a small camera and a flask of the good stuff Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html
frog fanny
What’s a frog’s ass doin in your vest? Seriously though, what is it?
At first you just put in a few things that you need and before you know it you don’t have any room left. Ernie "TimeRanger" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On a typical day of fishing – say on the recent San Juan Clave, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)? My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings. What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?
On a typical day of fishing -, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)?
two condoms, a wine opener, a yashica t4super, two rolls of film (one b&w, one 400asa fuji print), and a waterproof copy of the kama sutra. wayno
… My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings. What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?
I use an LL Bean chest pack and usually carry the following: Outside: Albolene Nippers Hemostat Flashlight Insect repellent Leader straightener Mesh Pockets: Tippet Material, sizes depending on stream and time of year, Inside: Goose neck light Compass Reading glasses Sunglasses Extra leaders More tippet material Dessicant 1-1/2" square magnet(instead of fleece patch) Weights Small needle nose pliers Car key Wallet containing licenses Thermometer Hook hone Line dressing Backstrap: Maps (if needed) Spare reel spool w/line Bandana Toilet Paper Wader patch Spare glasses Lunch, light jacket, or rain gear (if needed) In very hot weather, I use a mesh backstrap which carries nothing, so all of the above would be eliminated. Again, good idea for a thread. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"
On a typical day of fishing – say on the recent San Juan Clave, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)? My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings. What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?
In my vest (just going by memory here) Inside Pockets Left Side Leader Wallet (3 packs of 10′ 5x & 7.5" 6x leader. One fast sinking leader) Extra Spool of 5x, 6x tippet Pewter Flask (filled with either Captain Morgan, Talisker or Tequila) Miniature Flashlight Inside Pockets Right Side Eyeglasses Fishing License Bottom Left Outside Pockets Two foam fly boxes – one nymph/emergers, one dry fly Bottom Right Outside Pockets Midge Fly box David’s Sunflower Seeds (Salsa or Ranch) Middle Outside Pocket Leatherman Tool Spyderco Pocket Knife Top Outside Pocket Split shot Strike Indicators (Yarn and Foam) Outside D-ring left side – Fly floatant – Albolene Outside Right side – Old metal shower curtain ring – holds two spools of tippet Zinger with Snips for tippet Back zippered section – If weather looks bad – store my rain jacket in there. If it is good weather, will store extra beers. Depending on time of year, In the bottom of it, carry my fingerless wool gloves Back outside D-ring – Net Wear a fanny pack for lower back support, wade belt Outside Pocket Safewater Bottle (In a pinch will also hold 3 beers and a small sandwich) Inside chest waders pocket – On the San Juan, carried my digital camera in a Ziploc freezer sandwich bag bc. — I don’t care who you are, you are not walking on the water while I’m fishing.
On a typical day of fishing – say on the recent San Juan Clave, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)? My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings. What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with? — All fishermen are liars ‘cept you n me, and I’m starting to have doubts about you! www.fishticker.com
… My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings. What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?
Inside pockets (5): first aid kit leatherman tool map & compass car keys Outside vest: patch of amadou nipper on a retractable cord hemostat foam fly patch (can’t get barbless hooks to stay on a wool patch) hook hone Upper right pockets (2): leader wallet with spare leaders & licenses floatant frog fanny Orvis dessicant Upper left pockets (2): camera spools of tippet (usually 4X, 5X, 6X for trout) Lower right pockets (2): sunglasses whisky flask fly box Lower left pockets (3): stream thermometer (used to be outside next to hook hone but I lost too many) fly box red Mucilin patch of Cortland line cleaner container of assorted weights (rarely used tape measure Back of vest (two compartments): lunch water bottle rain jacket and a brand new landing net from Float ‘n Fish. Nice idea for a thread, thanks TR. — Ken Fortenberry
Ok, Steve, now that i’ve shown that photo to everyone in the four state area, i have a question. How’d you make it look like i have an earring?
You don’t? Look at the photo again and click on the "earring". The fish he was catching were not cooperating with the photographer (me) or the fish holder (RW).
Bruce has a theory that the San Juan trout have been caught so many times that they’re wise to having their pictures taken. Sounds plausible. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
I now have a picture of RW holding a fish underwater (the fish, not steve) that’s pretty damn big – it looks like a rainbow shark. It was one of the fish that refused to be held for an above water photo, but since i’m an experienced crappy photographer i know to start shooting as soon as you can see the fish just in case. steve, do me a favor and leave your mailing address on my home answering machine (505) 792-7774 and i’ll mail them out pronto. i do have an above water shot of another fish also. of course i’ve also got about fifty shots of louie laplac happily fishing the kiddie hole in an attempt to beef up his stats (just kidding louie) bruce h bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen
Bruiser writes: of course i’ve also got about fifty shots of louie laplac happily fishing the kiddie hole in an attempt to beef up his stats (just kidding louie)
Oh, the pain! You are a cruel, cruel man, Bruce. Cruel. I’ve always wanted to pave my lawn. However, I think we could do fishdom a favor by paving the Kiddie Pool. <g Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller
<snip I’ve always wanted to pave my lawn. Dave, My personal preference was always green cement with my lawn mower painted white and placed in the middle. :-) Ernie
<snip I’ve always wanted to pave my lawn. Dave, My personal preference was always green cement with my lawn mower painted white and placed in the middle. :-) Ernie
A guy a few blocks from me simply filled his yard with rocks and put an old reel type push lawnmower in the yard with a sign that reads Rust In Peace. Seams quite elegant to me. Big Dale – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
Thanks for the great report Danl. Next time we’ll fish together more, but you were lucky to get to fish so much with willi, he really is the troutmaster. And you’re a pool hustler. See you in yellowstone or somewhere else soon. bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen
Snoop Doggy Bob was decked out in his usual flaming glory and we complimented him on his obvious grasp of panache. The pictures that RW posted just don
/daytripper (*feeling* Over 80 but actually much younger)
Much? Oh Lordy! Let’s go for another walk on Upper! :)
How about magazines for the younger folks here?
It took me a minute to get that one There are some great articles in there: – Easy access ramps on wilderness rivers near you! – Geritol makes a great leader greaser – Clip-on flies: do they spook fish? – The "granny" knot – new research shows it’s not as weak as you thought – The new generation automatic reels – are they strong enough to reel in fish over 12" for you? — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.
Over 80 Fly Fishing Magazines on ebay at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=331586733
How about magazines for the younger folks here? /daytripper (*feeling* Over 80 but actually much younger)
Over 80 Fly Fishing Magazines on ebay at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=331586733
OK, got my bid in….one of the photos showed a walker with built in rod holder…..hot damn!! Frank (crip) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over 80 Fly Fishing Magazines on ebay at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=331586733 How about magazines for the younger folks here? /daytripper (*feeling* Over 80 but actually much younger)
I’d look long and hard at the Houston TX / Clear Lake, TX area….. Lots of boating/fishing most all year….. 525 square mile Galveston Bay!…. Fourth largest city in America for plays etc… Extermely affordable housing, (check the stats )…Can’t comment on Govt services for your son…but sure the Chambers of Commerce could. Too hot and sweaty in June July and August ( I go North then…) but you can’t have everything. Suggest you search for Clear Lake Chamber of Commerce. If you don’;t find it, let me know, and I’ll get you a number or site. I live 40 miles North of it! RG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been offered an early retirement incentive that will give me 94% of my current salary. I considering taking it an moving to the coastal gulf area. I’m seeking comments about communities in the gulf area. The primary concerns I have are: availability of part time work, community services for the handicapped (I have a 21 y.o. son with autism. He will need a sheltered workshop environment and respite services), Affordable housing (150,000 to 200,000 range), tax liability, fishing, and access to cultural events (concerts, plays, orchestras, ect.) Before you buy.
I’d look long and hard at the Houston TX / Clear Lake, TX area….. Lots of boating/fishing most all year….. 525 square mile Galveston Bay!…. Fourth largest city in America for plays etc… Extermely affordable housing, (check the stats )…Can’t comment on Govt services for your son…but sure
No, they could not. The only way to determine if the social services in an area are adequate is to spend a considerable amount of time investigating them on your own, or to hire a competent licensed social worker to assist you. Chambers of commerce do not know about private or public social services. — Harry Krause "To Goldy Bo…" "CUT!" "Bo Toldly…" "CUT!"
RE govt services. It so happens that my son is a counselor in a local school district for dis-advantaged??? kids. A good friend of my wife was second in charge in the same school district for "special eductation". If it comes down to checking that portion of the decision out, I’d be glad to prevail – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been offered an early retirement incentive that will give me 94% of my current salary. I considering taking it an moving to the coastal gulf area. I’m seeking comments about communities in the gulf area. The primary concerns I have are: availability of part time work, community services for the handicapped (I have a 21 y.o. son with autism. He will need a sheltered workshop environment and respite services), Affordable housing (150,000 to 200,000 range), tax liability, fishing, and access to cultural events (concerts, plays, orchestras, ect.) Before you buy.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been offered an early retirement incentive that will give me 94% of my current salary. I considering taking it an moving to the coastal gulf area. I’m seeking comments about communities in the gulf area. The primary concerns I have are: availability of part time work, community services for the handicapped (I have a 21 y.o. son with autism. He will need a sheltered workshop environment and respite services), Affordable housing (150,000 to 200,000 range), tax liability, fishing, and access to cultural events (concerts, plays, orchestras, ect.) Before you buy.
Thanks for the response! I think I’m going to look at FLA. panhandle and possibly TX. I know there is good fishing in the northern gulf and I think my 22′ starcraft will handle the gulf waters on fairly clam days. When I think about it either of these states could possibly be at least on par with Kentucky as far as community living and services. Although KY has come a long way in the last 20 years. Here I am just limited to lakes and rivers and streams for fishing and boating. I would probably see more of my family in FLA. than I do now. They would see the move as a relative in FLA. to stay with on vacation! Before you buy.
Check out the Punta-Gorda, Port Charlotte FL area. I’m nearly ready to sign on a five-year old home on the water with two slips, 1800 ft.2 of living area, two car garage, new A/C. $119,900. Places on close to professionals such as Doctor’s Hospital, etc. I cannot stand the cold any longer. David At least we fly to Orlando! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been offered an early retirement incentive that will give me 94% of my current salary. I considering taking it an moving to the coastal gulf area. I’m seeking comments about communities in the gulf area. The primary concerns I have are: availability of part time work, community services for the handicapped (I have a 21 y.o. son with autism. He will need a sheltered workshop environment and respite services), Affordable housing (150,000 to 200,000 range), tax liability, fishing, and access to cultural events (concerts, plays, orchestras, ect.) Before you buy.
I’d look long and hard at the Houston TX / Clear Lake, TX area….. Lots of boating/fishing most all year….. 525 square mile Galveston Bay!…. Fourth
Just watch the precise details of where you choose to live. Galveston’s the scene of one of the earliest attempts in this country at building too close to the water, and the city’s paid for it, in terms of wreckage and lost property value. I’m not singling out Galveston alone, though. Grab a copy of a book called "Against the Tide" before you choose a community near the sea. It might save you a few bucks, or a house or two. Perhaps more than anyone, I’d like to have breakfast with the ocean within view of my back window, but this book was pretty sobering. It also mentions places where they’ve stopped trying to trying to stop an unstoppable force, and have taken a sensible approach to community planning. Doug
Mississppi and Alabama are about as backwards as one can get,
Odd statement there, Harry. I went to FedStats and compared Alabama quickly to Maryland. A larger percentage of Alabamians own their own home, Alabama has a much lower violent crime rate. (Maryland was 6th in the nation, Alabama 21st, as of 1996), Alabama appears to be more industrialized, from a comparison of non-farm employment numbers, and Alabama has much higher enrollment numbers for both elemetary/secondary education, and full-time college students. Median income is less in Alabama, however. And teenage pregnancy is much higher. There are less doctors per 100,000, and quite a few more motor vehicle fatalities. Seems like they both have their pros and cons. Of course, some people will allow bigotry to colour their judgement, rather than facts. At least when you make blanket statements about Bayliners, you can defend your position.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mississppi and Alabama are about as backwards as one can get, Odd statement there, Harry. I went to FedStats and compared Alabama quickly to Maryland. A larger percentage of Alabamians own their own home, Alabama has a much lower violent crime rate. (Maryland was 6th in the nation, Alabama 21st, as of 1996), Alabama appears to be more industrialized, from a comparison of non-farm employment numbers, and Alabama has much higher enrollment numbers for both elemetary/secondary education, and full-time college students. Median income is less in Alabama, however. And teenage pregnancy is much higher. There are less doctors per 100,000, and quite a few more motor vehicle fatalities. Seems like they both have their pros and cons. Of course, some people will allow bigotry to colour their judgement, rather than facts. At least when you make blanket statements about Bayliners, you can defend your position.
If you’re read the original poster’s statement, he was looking for a state along the Gulf in which there would be high-quality social services for his challenged son. He didn’t indicate whether he needed public or private services. In either case, Alabama and Mississippi are among the most backwards of states in providing those sorts of services to residents in need. I’ll be delighted to engage in a discussion with you over the provision of social services, but this isn’t the place for it. — Harry Krause I’ve been seduced by the chocolate side of the force.
I have been offered an early retirement incentive that will give me 94% of my current salary. I considering taking it an moving to the coastal gulf area. I’m seeking comments about communities in the gulf area. The primary concerns I have are: availability of part time work, community services for the handicapped (I have a 21 y.o. son with autism. He will need a sheltered workshop environment and respite services), Affordable housing (150,000 to 200,000 range), tax liability, fishing, and access to cultural events (concerts, plays, orchestras, ect.) Before you buy.
I have been offered an early retirement incentive that will give me 94% of my current salary. I considering taking it an moving to the coastal gulf area. I’m seeking comments about communities in the gulf area. The primary concerns I have are: availability of part time work, community services for the handicapped (I have a 21 y.o. son with autism. He will need a sheltered workshop environment and respite services), Affordable housing (150,000 to 200,000 range), tax liability, fishing, and access to cultural events (concerts, plays, orchestras, ect.) Before you buy.
I fear you will not find the quality social services you need for your son in the Gulf area. Provision of decent social services is way down on the priority list of these states, and good places are hard to find in the public and private sectors. There’s next to nothing in Mississipi and Alabama, and modest services available in some parts of Louisiana through Catholic social service agencies. You might consider Florida, which does a little better in the social service area, but you better pick your places carefully. I’d again put Florida at the top of your list for about everything else. Mississppi and Alabama are about as backwards as one can get, and Texas is a pretty hard state, too. Florida and parts of Louisiana. — Harry Krause A Florid Flock of Forty Flatulent Flamingos.
My job will be taking me to Winnipeg, Manitoba at least once a month for the next 5 or 6 months. I’d like to do some fishing while I’m there. Any information about what, when, where and how pretaining to fishing in Manitoba would be appreciated. Thanks, d.t.
My job will be taking me to Winnipeg, Manitoba at least once a month for the next 5 or 6 months. I’d like to do some fishing while I’m there. Any information about what, when, where and how pretaining to fishing in Manitoba would be appreciated. Thanks, d.t. D.T. ask yahoo, " fishing manitoba" been there ,never fished there.
great catfishing below the dam at lockport..walleyes in the muddy winnipeg. any tackle shop in winnipeg can answer all when you get there…..KW
Amberjack will try again, he’s old, bit slow ask yahoo "fishing manitoba"….look at any in-fisherman mag. Ive been there,not fished there. Great catfishing below the dam at lockport. walleyes in the muddy lake , any tackle shop can answer all when u get there..good fly in east of lake winnipeg My job will be taking me to Winnipeg, Manitoba at least once a month for the next 5 or 6 months. I’d like to do some fishing while I’m there. Any information about what, when, where and how pretaining to fishing in Manitoba would be appreciated. Thanks, d.t.
If you do not try the lunker channel cats you are missing a near guarantee of 20+ LB fish. All you need is a heavy baitcaster and 30lb test or better superline. Hooks lead and bait are all available right there. Check it out. Joe http://www.tourism.winnipeg.mb.ca/
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May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing! Mr. Gink — MZ
May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing!
Oh yeah ?!?!?!? Well…may you get the same thing, and break it when you drop your "Tickle Me Elmo" on it, which breaks as well… TimW
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Fly Fishing Products Manufacturer May your Christmas Present be an Orvis Bamboo with a Guide missing! Mr. Gink AND, that you live in a climate where you can’t use it for growing tomatoes! cheers, -tgades
About a month ago I asked for info about fishing in N. Georgia. The response was very good and I thank everyone. Well, we just got back from the trip to Ga., and I have to tell ya, if I didn’t see it with my own eyes, I wouldn’t believe it. I discovered the Chatooga River, infamous for being the river where "Deliverence" was filmed. What an absolutely beautiful piece of water! I thought I was back in New England. Fast, cold (61), free stone, clear trout water. There was a hatch of very small caddis, but didn’t see too many rises. In NE I use a cased caddis fly called the Strawman; just spun deer hair trimmed short. Gink it up so it floats. Ga trout like it too. Only had two days on the Chatooga, but managed a couple of nice browns (10-14 in) down-stream from the Rt 76 bridge. Caught a few small rainbows downstream and upstream from the Rt 28 bridge. Great river. I also tried the Chatahootchi ( The Hootch) below Buford Dam. Super cold – like 53; no hatches. But lotsa fog! Dragged a nymph or two, and lobbed a few streamers, but got zilch. The rocks on this river are the slimiest, most slippery I’ve ever encountered! I checked out the Hootch above the lake (iat next trip. Also, I’d like to try the Chatooga just below the NC border. Anyone know how to get there? The roads in Georgia are also terrific, and gas was $1.07 a gallon (it’s $1.50 here in Mass)! Georgia’s not NH or Maine, but it’s great! Good drifts, Dave LaCourse
[snip] The rocks on this river are the slimiest, most slippery I’ve ever encountered!
You don’t even want to ask what that slick stuff is! Also, I’d like to try the Chatooga just below the NC border. Anyone know how to get there?
Go east from the river on Hwy 28 . Hwy 107 will enter from the left. Take 107 north until you pass the state park on the right. Start looking for the sign on the left for Burrells Ford road. It’s a couple of miles down this road to the river. When you get to the river the NC state line is about 4-4 1/2 miles upstream. This part of the river is mainly brown trout water and is not stocked. A good trail goes upstream on the east (South Carolina) side of the river. You can fish on the South Carolina side of the river with a Georgia license, just don’t go up any feeder streams. As an alternate go west from the river on hwy 28. Take the first gravel road to the right. That will bring you in to the opposite side of Burrells Ford. The roads in Georgia are also terrific, and gas was $1.07 a gallon (it’s $1.50 here in Mass)! Georgia’s not NH or Maine, but it’s great!
We don’t tax gas heavy but did you check the price of beer and cigs? Got to make those sinners pay! See ya, John Johnson Atlanta, GA
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snippety snippety snip Oooooo. Freezer. Nice and cool like home-world. 8 I’ll go halves on a cold store with you, Arthur. I cannot *abide* hot weather and the damper it is, the more hateful I find it. I think I was meant to have been born a polar bear. — Gary Cooper Gary: Want to trade houses,were expecting ten inches,yes I said inches snow for this year…..Looking for my scoop,Moose.
Well Moose, Flowers galore here! It is a bit like little ole England…..without the population and pollution…I guess that’s why it’s called "Victoria". Alot of British subjects like to retire here….so do Chinese, Japanese, and lots of seniors. I imagine that as the place gets better known there might be a population problem. It is known as the "city of gardens". You’d love it Gary. By the way….consider yourself HIRED!!! Annie( sitting up in recliner….like …WOW…still hurting….this rain is making my bones ache!)
: Of course, now I live in beautiful Victoria, B.C. on Vancouver Island. I’m having a major jealousy fit right now. Sigh. Have they hung the flowers on the street lights yet? Myra
: But Vancouver Island sounds lovely – a little like England without : the sense of over-crowding and pollution, perhaps? Like England, if England had really nice summer weather. If you love gardens, you would be utterly enchanted by Butchart Gardens in Victoria. Exquisite. Here’s a vaguely humorous story: The last time I was in Victoria, I was on a plane back to Seattle (a 20-minute international flight). Now, I HATE flying, so I was sitting there (next to the window — ARGH), trembling, hyperventilating, grabbing the armrests and generally scaring the hell out of everyone on the plane. The gentleman sitting next to me finally asked, "If flying frightens you so much, why didn’t you take the ferry back?" to which I replied, "If I didn’t fly, I’d miss my train home!" Myra
And what a polar bear you’d make!! I also hate hot, humid weather..I was born and raised (if you could call it that) in Toronto. It’s an absolute swamp pit in the summer. I’d hide out in the dark and cool basement all day just to survive. Thank you for the compliment, Annie! I think I’d enjoy an ursine incarnation next time round – that’s assuming the gods won’t let me have my first choice, which would be a Siberian tiger. Toronto sounds … ghastly.
It is!! Well, climate wise anyway. Makes me feel anxious just remembering it in August. Phew!! Of course, now I live in beautiful Victoria, B.C. on Vancouver Island. If you don’t like the weather you just wait five minutes……I remember that in one day we got sun, rain, hail, wind, and then it finally settled into a calm freezing rain. This spring has been WET. But Vancouver Island sounds lovely – a little like England without the sense of over-crowding and pollution, perhaps?
It’s heavenly, isn’t it Annie? But keep it a secret, we don’t want everyone to know! <g Is it just me or does anyone else notice how harsh the sun has gotten in the past few years…..I can barely stand to be out in it. Must be the ozone layer thing. Really? I scuttle out of the sunshine as fast as possible once we’re past April. I really do find that bright sunlight exacerbates my anxiety. I am *far* happier on vaguely overcast days. As to whether the sun is harsher these days, I just wouldn’t know. But it doesn’t seem more able to scorch plants, does it?
I hate the heat and that bright, glaring sun. It’s ok if you’re out in the forest, or sitting on a river bank in the shade fishing. Otherwise, turn the ol’ air-conditioner up to 9 and chill out! Looks like when summer arrives we may be in for a drought. Guess I’ll just have to hand water those 50 million plants I’ll have outside by then. Anyone need a job?? Consider the job applied for! I can think of few jobs I get more satisfaction out of than feeding and watering plants. It’s one of my very favourite occupations.
Very tranquil business that. The first greenhouses we had had to be all hand watered. I’d go into a sort of meditative trance, humming to the plants. Computerized irrigation systems are wonderful when you’ve got 12,000 poinsettias to feed and water – but it’s just not the same. <g Mally :) — Gary Cooper
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Of course, now I live in beautiful Victoria, B.C. on Vancouver Island. I’m having a major jealousy fit right now. Sigh. Have they hung the flowers on the street lights yet? Myra Sorry Myra……didn’t mean to make you jealous….I wanted to make Moose jealous and he probably didn’t even read this ( he lives in Ontario where it is presently snowing ). As for the flower baskets….I couldn’t tell you because I’m still stuck at home with my back out ( and hating every minute ) but I assume that if they are not already up they will be soon. I assume you have been here before. Hope it warms up wherever you are Myra. warm thoughts….. Annie ( still transplanting seedlings and wondering where I am going to put them all )
Annie:I did read the post and I am jealous,but the snow is melting again in the sunshine that followed, and all will be well in another month or so,just in time for FALL.One good point is that when I get truck loads of Ben&Jerrys I can store it outside.It"s funny that my two favourite provinces are the furthest from me,BC and Nova Scotia[Cape Breton]Hey I think I just saw a mosquito. Keep the Faith Moose. PS.I love your posts.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Of course, now I live in beautiful Victoria, B.C. on Vancouver Island. I’m having a major jealousy fit right now. Sigh. Have they hung the flowers on the street lights yet? Myra Sorry Myra……didn’t mean to make you jealous….I wanted to make Moose jealous and he probably didn’t even read this ( he lives in Ontario where it is presently snowing ). As for the flower baskets….I couldn’t tell you because I’m still stuck at home with my back out ( and hating every minute ) but I assume that if they are not already up they will be soon. I assume you have been here before. Hope it warms up wherever you are Myra. warm thoughts….. Annie ( still transplanting seedlings and wondering where I am going to put them all ) Annie:I did read the post and I am jealous,but the snow is melting again in the sunshine that followed, and all will be well in another month or so,just in time for FALL.One good point is that when I get truck loads of Ben&Jerrys I can store it outside.It"s funny that my two favourite provinces are the furthest from me,BC and Nova Scotia[Cape Breton]Hey I think I just saw a mosquito. Keep the Faith Moose. PS.I love your posts.
I’m glad you said that…I been having a bit of a crisis lately (what else is new) but it is nice to hear from a fellow Ontarian even if I did abandone the place. Glad the snow is melting there. I also love Nova Scotia…..has a completely different feel to it than the west coast. There is this fantastically old graveyard in Halifax that looks like something out of a Frankenstein movie….especially with that lovely fog rolling in at night….ever seen it? Take care, Annie ( STILL transplanting…..AND sitting up almost straight )
Gary: Want to trade houses,were expecting ten inches,yes I said inches snow for this year…..Looking for my scoop,Moose. Lived there too Moose, waaaay back when it was still Port Arthur and Fort William! Remember clearing the snow off the picnic tables at the lake so we could have a picnic in April! <shudder Then as soon as the snow went, in came the black fly and mosquitoes! Fabulous fishing country though. Caught my first 5 pounder there and got chased away from it by a bear. <g You’d better move out here to La La Land….it’s wet, but the flowers are blooming, the grass is green and the trees are leafing out. Mally :)
Im in the process of finding my BBQ with a metal detector right now,maybe Rob will send me some of those steaks that are on sale in GB.Ever heard of Mad Moose disease. Later Moose.
: Now, now Myra.. you wouldn’t have said that if you had been : here *last* Summer. It was like Arizona. By my standards that : means Hell of Earth… but some people liked it. I’ve been in Arizona in the summer — eeeeeyyyyeeeeewwww! (Apologies to Arizonans — but Tucson in July is simply unbearable.) England in the midst of a heat wave would be "Hell on Earth," if there’s a lack of air conditioning. That was one of my beefs about living near the beach here in So.Cal. — as long as the temperature didn’t go above 70, everything was great, but any higher and I melted because there were no air conditioners anywhere. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley, where August/September temperatures soar as high as 110, but as we say (cynically), it’s a DRY heat. <g Victoria in high summer is heavenly, with the temperatures in the 70s (or 20s for my Fahrenheit-impaired Canadian friends), soothing breezes and the smell of flowers everywhere. : If you love gardens, you would be utterly enchanted by Butchart Gardens : in Victoria. Exquisite. : It sounds wonderful. These gardens are magnificant. I’ve never seen anything like them. I think the best time to go is in the early evening so you can see everything in the daylight and then lit up like a fairyland after dusk. Re my Victoria-Seattle flight: : ROFLMAO! The contortions we PD types go through! True! The next time I flew, which was about 7 years later, was another short hop from L.A. to Las Vegas. At one point, I turned to my mother (who just loves to fly — don’t you hate people like that!) and quietly poo-poohed me, but then the captain announced that we were landing, and I WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO FELT IT. Nothing like a panic attack to heighten the old senses. <g Myra P.S. One of my favorite humor writers is James Lileks, who also happens to have PD. He wrote an hysterical book of essays called "White Knuckles," and the title piece is about flying. He calls airplanes "thin metal cylinders of death." Hee hee.
: I assume you have been here before. Oh yes. I think Victoria is one of the most beautiful cities I’ve ever visited. : Hope it warms up wherever you are Myra. Since I live in Southern California, maybe you could wish me a cool spell? <g It’s going to be about 100 degrees in the Valley tomorrow. : Annie ( still transplanting seedlings and wondering where I am going : to put them all ) Myra (contemplating which plants she plans to kill *this* year)
<mercilessly pruned without thought to future seasons Very tranquil business that. The first greenhouses we had had to be all hand watered. I’d go into a sort of meditative trance, humming to the plants. Computerized irrigation systems are wonderful when you’ve got 12,000 poinsettias to feed and water – but it’s just not the same. <g
Aha! We’ve *got* you now! So it was *you* who was responsible for the poinsettia for Christmas scam!!!! I might have known! — Gary Cooper
: Of course, now I live in beautiful Victoria, B.C. on Vancouver Island. I’m having a major jealousy fit right now. Sigh. Have they hung the flowers on the street lights yet? Myra
Sorry Myra……didn’t mean to make you jealous….I wanted to make Moose jealous and he probably didn’t even read this ( he lives in Ontario where it is presently snowing ). As for the flower baskets….I couldn’t tell you because I’m still stuck at home with my back out ( and hating every minute ) but I assume that if they are not already up they will be soon. I assume you have been here before. Hope it warms up wherever you are Myra. warm thoughts….. Annie ( still transplanting seedlings and wondering where I am going to put them all )
Gary: Want to trade houses,were expecting ten inches,yes I said inches snow for this year…..Looking for my scoop,Moose.
Lived there too Moose, waaaay back when it was still Port Arthur and Fort William! Remember clearing the snow off the picnic tables at the lake so we could have a picnic in April! <shudder Then as soon as the snow went, in came the black fly and mosquitoes! Fabulous fishing country though. Caught my first 5 pounder there and got chased away from it by a bear. <g You’d better move out here to La La Land….it’s wet, but the flowers are blooming, the grass is green and the trees are leafing out. Mally :)
Flowers galore here! It is a bit like little ole England…..without the population and pollution…I guess that’s why it’s called "Victoria". Alot of British subjects like to retire here….so do Chinese, Japanese, and lots of seniors. I imagine that as the place gets better known there might be a population problem. It is known as the "city of gardens". You’d love it Gary. By the way….consider yourself HIRED!!!
Wonderful! I shall start packing immediately. Ummmm… I don’t s’pose you happen to know a quick cure for agoraphobia, do you? — Gary Cooper
: the sense of over-crowding and pollution, perhaps? Like England, if England had really nice summer weather.
Now, now Myra.. you wouldn’t have said that if you had been here *last* Summer. It was like Arizona. By my standards that means Hell of Earth… but some people liked it. If you love gardens, you would be utterly enchanted by Butchart Gardens in Victoria. Exquisite.
It sounds wonderful. Here’s a vaguely humorous story: The last time I was in Victoria, I was on a plane back to Seattle (a 20-minute international flight). Now, I HATE flying, so I was sitting there (next to the window — ARGH), trembling, hyperventilating, grabbing the armrests and generally scaring the hell out of everyone on the plane. The gentleman sitting next to me finally asked, "If flying frightens you so much, why didn’t you take the ferry back?" to which I replied, "If I didn’t fly, I’d miss my train home!"
ROFLMAO! The contortions we PD types go through! — Gary Cooper
writes: I bet I was jinxed by some recent postings from those mentally twisted sun-lovers, those evil sun-tanned folk that soak up those UV-rays in a dastardly attempt to mutate into silicon skinned humaniods. This weather is all their fault, I just know it! Its their revenge for that wonderful blizzard this winter.
OK Grumpy! I’m one of those evil sun-worshipers! I get depressed when its dark and gloomy outside. Cheer up and turn the air-con on! I can relate to the heat though. I cant tolerate heat at all anymore. If I do try and get a tan its at short intervals. The hot dry heat here in NM is stiffling (sp?) and I hate those over 100 degrees days! And cutting the grass in the summer takes me all day because I have to go inside to the cool air so often due to getting overheated. So, I know where your coming from grumpy! <g Cheer up. :) or I am going to put you back in the space alien freezer! Cyndie
Arthur, CHILL Thomas
: OK Grumpy! I’m one of those evil sun-worshipers! I get depressed when : its dark and gloomy outside. Cheer up and turn the air-con on! But I can’t go jogging indoors! At least I can’t unless I spend some rediculous amount of money on one of those club memberships. Just give me a nice shady pool to swim in. : I can : relate to the heat though. I cant tolerate heat at all anymore. If I do : try and get a tan its at short intervals. The hot dry heat here in NM is : stiffling (sp?) and I hate those over 100 degrees days! Yeah, but its a dry heat. We get primordial swamp summers here on the east coast. : Cheer up. :) or I am going to put you back in the space alien freezer! Oooooo. Freezer. Nice and cool like home-world. 8 Best Wishes, Arthur
Yikes! Its 80+ degress F. out here and the sun is strong. I don’t like this. I am hot and sweaty already and the summer hasn’t even begun yet. The weather was fine yesterday, 70+ degrees, cloudy, comfortable. Now its hot and I am pissed, creeping about in the shadows in a futile effort to avoid that burning sunlight. <snipped
Arthur, I am in complete agreement about hot weather. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of moving to Maryland from New York state about three years ago (for education reasons but now I’m stuck here). I’ve had many a friend ask me, "Don’t you feel better now that the sun and warm weather are here?" My answer is a definite "NO!!!!!!" While I do enjoy the warm breezes of early spring, these hot temperatures (80 degrees and above) and humidity destroy every last bit of my already-crumbling motivation. Sadly enough, Maryland seems to have two seasons: a sadistic version of summer and a pathetic version of winter. Everyone here claims that I will get used to it. My fourth summer here is fast approaching, and I am not used to it. In terms of panic and anxiety, the heat definitely makes them worse. As someone else mentioned, it’s easy enough to put on a sweater when cold, but staying cool is much more difficult. I feel horrible when I’m hot. In fact, most of my PA’s cause me to feel hot. On top of that, I’m very sensitive to the sun (not too much of a problem right now with my housebound status) which makes my head ache and my skin burn. Finally is the problem of air conditioning. My apartment does not have it, but it’s really necessary here. Last summer I borrowed an air conditioner for a few weeks and will probably do the same this summer, especially since I’ll be spending most, if not all, of it indoors. The problem is that I really don’t like air conditioning at all. I love having the windows open. But when we start hitting 90 degrees here, I just won’t be able to handle it. Oh, and I agree, Arthur, that this is revenge for those glorious snowstorms this winter, particularly the blizzard. As I sat here this winter, looking out at the ineptly plowed street, my heart filled with terror as I imagined the summer to come. *Sigh* Well, now, I think I’ve whined sufficiently. I suppose everyone should be prepared for future complaints from us heat-sensitive panic sufferers. The worst is yet to come, I’m afraid. *Sigh* again. Cathleen
<snippety snippety snip Oooooo. Freezer. Nice and cool like home-world. 8 I’ll go halves on a cold store with you, Arthur. I cannot *abide* hot weather and the damper it is, the more hateful I find it. I think I was meant to have been born a polar bear. — Gary Cooper
Gary: Want to trade houses,were expecting ten inches,yes I said inches snow for this year…..Looking for my scoop,Moose.
And what a polar bear you’d make!! I also hate hot, humid weather..I was born and raised (if you could call it that) in Toronto. It’s an absolute swamp pit in the summer. I’d hide out in the dark and cool basement all day just to survive.
Thank you for the compliment, Annie! I think I’d enjoy an ursine incarnation next time round – that’s assuming the gods won’t let me have my first choice, which would be a Siberian tiger. Toronto sounds … ghastly. Of course, now I live in beautiful Victoria, B.C. on Vancouver Island. If you don’t like the weather you just wait five minutes……I remember that in one day we got sun, rain, hail, wind, and then it finally settled into a calm freezing rain. This spring has been WET.
But Vancouver Island sounds lovely – a little like England without the sense of over-crowding and pollution, perhaps? Is it just me or does anyone else notice how harsh the sun has gotten in the past few years…..I can barely stand to be out in it. Must be the ozone layer thing.
Really? I scuttle out of the sunshine as fast as possible once we’re past April. I really do find that bright sunlight exacerbates my anxiety. I am *far* happier on vaguely overcast days. As to whether the sun is harsher these days, I just wouldn’t know. But it doesn’t seem more able to scorch plants, does it? Looks like when summer arrives we may be in for a drought. Guess I’ll just have to hand water those 50 million plants I’ll have outside by then. Anyone need a job??
Consider the job applied for! I can think of few jobs I get more satisfaction out of than feeding and watering plants. It’s one of my very favourite occupations. — Gary Cooper
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snippety snippety snip Oooooo. Freezer. Nice and cool like home-world. 8 I’ll go halves on a cold store with you, Arthur. I cannot *abide* hot weather and the damper it is, the more hateful I find it. I think I was meant to have been born a polar bear. — Gary Cooper
And what a polar bear you’d make!! I also hate hot, humid weather..I was born and raised (if you could call it that) in Toronto. It’s an absolute swamp pit in the summer. I’d hide out in the dark and cool basement all day just to survive. Of course, now I live in beautiful Victoria, B.C. on Vancouver Island. If you don’t like the weather you just wait five minutes……I remember that in one day we got sun, rain, hail, wind, and then it finally settled into a calm freezing rain. This spring has been WET. Is it just me or does anyone else notice how harsh the sun has gotten in the past few years…..I can barely stand to be out in it. Must be the ozone layer thing. Looks like when summer arrives we may be in for a drought. Guess I’ll just have to hand water those 50 million plants I’ll have outside by then. Anyone need a job?? Annie (and plants, in recliner, restocked with ice cream,)
<snippety snippety snip Oooooo. Freezer. Nice and cool like home-world. 8
I’ll go halves on a cold store with you, Arthur. I cannot *abide* hot weather and the damper it is, the more hateful I find it. I think I was meant to have been born a polar bear. — Gary Cooper
: Arthur, : : CHILL : : Thomas I be cool. Best Wishes, Arthur
: I’ll go halves on a cold store with you, Arthur. I cannot : *abide* hot weather and the damper it is, the more hateful : I find it. : : I think I was meant to have been born a polar bear. Well, maybe not a polar bear; they’re working for the CokeCola Company these days; you know, that monolithic corporate entity that Peter Sellers almost had to answer to in the Kubrick film Dr. Strangelove. Talk about hot days! Best Wishes, Arthur
Yikes! Its 80+ degress F. out here and the sun is strong. I don’t like this. I am hot and sweaty already and the summer hasn’t even begun yet. The weather was fine yesterday, 70+ degrees, cloudy, comfortable. Now its hot and I am pissed, creeping about in the shadows in a futile effort to avoid that burning sunlight. I bet I was jinxed by some recent postings from those mentally twisted sun-lovers, those evil sun-tanned folk that soak up those UV-rays in a dastardly attempt to mutate into silicon skinned humaniods. This weather is all their fault, I just know it! Its their revenge for that wonderful blizzard this winter. And don’t start up with that subjectivist crap! Its not subjective! Hating hot weather and excessive sunlight is the normal state of a healthy mind. Just look at human history. We were quite content living in the Ice Age with lots of big fuzzy mammals. But NOOOOOOOOOO, Mother Nature had to change the climate. We then spent the next few thousand years reaching deeper and deeper into the polar regions to get away from the heat. Now even that isn’t good enough considering Ozone depletion. This is a cosmic conspiracy I tell you! In case you can’t tell, this heat really antagonizes my PD. It makes me panic like a lobster in boiling water. Like a bagel in toaster. Like a gremlin in a microwave. We should just cancel summer and go straight into fall. Hey God, where’s your complaint box? Or maybe I should sacrafice a bottle of sunblock to Ra or something? Who’s got the global thermostat? And if you think I’m upset now, just wait till our first heat-wave! 
Best Wishes, (grumpily) Arthur
Hello Ron, and welcome Forget the Rouge River. Its closer to an industrial waste carrier than a habitat for any life. Probably your closest shot to a local place is Paint Creek in Rochester, or the Huron River near Wixom, at the Proud Lake Recreation area. Tight lines, Damian
Hi Ron, If you are going to be here in April, and you don’t mind catching and releasing planted Browns, then bring your stuff. There is a place that is less than 30 minutes from Southfield. Tight Lines, Henry
: I have to go to Southfield Michigan on business this month. Are there : any good fly shops in the area? : My maps show the "River Rouge" going through this area. Any good : fishing, or would I have to worry about the river catching on fire? : Any urban anglers out there that can help this Boardman River : fisherman? : Ron : : : Hello Ron, : : There are a (at least) 2 good fly shops near Southfield: : : 1) The Riverbend, 313-350 8484, Southfield : 29229 Northw. Hwy (north of 12 mile Road) : : 2) Bueters Outdoors, 810-349 3677, Northville, : 120 E Main Street (8 mile Rd x Novi Rd) : : I am new to this area myself so I don’t know much about : the fishing in the "River Rouge". : Good luck / Stefan