New flyline review: the 555 5 weight double taper
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You have to make sure you seal that fly line before you use it. The core can take on water and sink the line like that if you are not careful. I had the same problem and just hung the line out to dry for a few days and then sealed the end with some Aquaseal.
Hmmm, good "tip" (get it?) I’m surprised they don’t seal it off at the factory!
Hmmm, good "tip" (get it?) I’m surprised they don’t seal it off at the factory!
You must be much better at tying knots than I am. I mean if you can tie a nail knot or any other knot used for connecting a leader to a fly line and not have any tag left over to trim…… ;-) — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html
New flyline review: the 555 5 weight double taper seemed to cast and shoot great. Roll casting is a breeze, even for a goofball caster like me. But the tip sinks like any other line, in fact probably worse. You have to make sure you seal that fly line before you use it. The core can take on water and sink the line like that if you are not careful. I had the same problem and just hung the line out to dry for a few days and then sealed the end with some Aquaseal.
BTW, Don’t use the 555 line in cold weather or on a cold water tailwater. The line holds memory like no other. I’ve owned a number of other lines including my favorites, RIO, and have never had the problems with a line like my new 555. From the sinking tip to the fly line memory, to the horrible customer support from Cortland. No more cortland lines for this guy. — I fly fish so therefore I am.
BTW, Don’t use the 555 line in cold weather or on a cold water tailwater. The line holds memory like no other
I didn’t notice any memory problems at all. The line was fine except for the sinking tip. And the San Juan is about 44 degrees. Cortland told me to send it back and they’d replace it immediately. I’m also surprised that Cortland doesn’t recommend sealing the end of the line. bruce h
BTW, Don’t use the 555 line in cold weather or on a cold water tailwater. The line holds memory like no other I didn’t notice any memory problems at all. The line was fine except for the sinking tip. And the San Juan is about 44 degrees. Cortland told me to send it back and they’d replace it immediately.
Interesting. The email told me to continually stretch it out every day before use and even during the day if necessary! It was a free fly line so I didn’t really press the issue. Based upon all my problems with the line and I have read others report similar problems on other fly fishing boards, I think they have some problems with the line or at least with the production. Even the shop who provided the free lines for a fly swap, believes that something is wrong with the lines! I’m also surprised that Cortland doesn’t recommend sealing the end of the line.
This is such BS. Why in the heck do you buy a new fly line when you need to prep the thing with Zap a Gap or similar? Arghhhhh…. — I fly fish so therefore I am.
My appointment at 8 am in Santa Fe went quickly and since a flyshop was nearby and it was still early I drove by. They were open. That flyshop is excellent. It’s one of those shops where all the employees and the owners fish a lot and want you to have success. They’re also real experts on the Rio Grande, which I haven’t fished often. http://www.highdesertangler.com The smoke from two fires in the Pecos got my attention on the drive from Santa Fe to Taos, where I had another appointment at 11:30. The Pecos is on the east side of the highway and eventually the road rejoins the Rio Grande, which is on the west side of the highway. In Espanola a very well equipped lowrider made a fast left at an intersection in front of me. With his hydraulics he lifted just the inside front wheel up off the road. If you can imagine the effect – it looked like the Monte Carlo was going to roll, but alas, they just drove away laughing. Don’t let anyone kid you, and with all due respect to SoCal, but Espanola NM is the birthplace and home of the world’s best lowriders. Since I had two and a half hours to make a one hour drive and the Orilla Verde State Park appeared on my left, of course I had to get out and fish on my way to Taos. New flyline review: the 555 5 weight double taper seemed to cast and shoot great. Roll casting is a breeze, even for a goofball caster like me. But the tip sinks like any other line, in fact probably worse. It was early, the only bugs around were tiny midges, and the river is as low as ever in any season. The huge caddis hatch had apparently come and gone, but armed with the advice from High Desert, my plan was to fish little hairwing peacock caddis and parachute adams and see how that went. After a little prospecting and no success, including adding a dropper, I switched to two nymphs, a small pt and a sparkle pupa (good advice from the flyshop) and I caught three large chubs, two small trout and a large sucker that was pretty cool. After my appointment the hiking and scenery were great, but the wind howled and it never got cool enough to get the fish going, although I got a nice brown in really fast water with a stimulator. Fished until dark and bushwhacked back to my truck. Got home about midnight. The San Juan was real fun. My friend was home from Maine and hadn’t fished there in a long time. Hot sunny, not too crowded. We fished Tuesday evening and all day Wednesday. This fish is not great but there aren’t that many browns way upstream in the San Juan: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/BruceBrown2.jpg And here’s a way to take a picture of a nice double when there’s only two of you: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/TwoFishNets.jpg Got home around 1 AM. Thanks to RW for letting me mooch his webspace. bruce h
<snipped New flyline review: the 555 5 weight double taper seemed to cast and shoot great. Roll casting is a breeze, even for a goofball caster like me. But the tip sinks like any other line, in fact probably worse.
You have to make sure you seal that fly line before you use it. The core can take on water and sink the line like that if you are not careful. I had the same problem and just hung the line out to dry for a few days and then sealed the end with some Aquaseal. http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/BruceBrown2.jpg And here’s a way to take a picture of a nice double when there’s only two of you: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/TwoFishNets.jpg
Nice pics Bruiser! — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html
Pickerel Jim has expressed a desire to invite a bunch of you fine fellas to a fly-fishing for carp rodeo… there’ll be prizes (beware of PJ offerings), and he will reserve the west wing of the Hyde-Away resort in Fairfield NC near Lake Mattamuskeet in Hyde County if enough hardy carp men (and women) sign up… he seemed serious at the time, but the Bacardi Black was almost gone when the idea sprang forth from his grinnin jowls. still, on a trip a few weeks ago we watched huge carp leaping about like mullet (mating, spawning behavior?) in a pretty back woods spot of more than a 100 acres of water that can be waded easily… had no idea how to fish for them at the time with equipment we had, but looks like it would be fun to hook ol Mr. Limpet… jeff jeff
Pickerel Jim has expressed a desire to invite a bunch of you fine fellas to a fly-fishing for carp rodeo… there’ll be prizes (beware of PJ offerings), and he will reserve the west wing of the Hyde-Away resort in Fairfield NC near Lake Mattamuskeet in Hyde County if enough hardy carp men (and women) sign up… he seemed serious at the time, but the Bacardi Black was almost gone when the idea sprang forth from his grinnin jowls. still, on a trip a few weeks ago we watched huge carp leaping about like mullet (mating, spawning behavior?) in a pretty back woods spot of more than a 100 acres of water that can be waded easily… had no idea how to fish for them at the time with equipment we had, but looks like it would be fun to hook ol Mr. Limpet… jeff
That is soooo tempting . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
There are some theories based on comparative analysis of DNA from rainbows native to this region versus that from rainbows native further north which point at them possibly being genetically the least changed and therefore the oldest. This is alluded to by Loev in his book "Flyfishing For Sharks."
Someone once told me that rainbow trout originated on the Pacific coast of Siberia. This guy is an outfitter on the Kamchatka Peninsula, so I took it with a grain of salt (bullshit detectors at work, Wayno , but it’s an interesting idea. I’m pretty sure that rainbows are native to Siberia, so there’s no reason they might not have originated there rather than in North America. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
I’m pretty sure that rainbows are native to Siberia, so there’s no reason they might not have originated there rather than in North America.
Rainbows originated in the North Pacific basin, along with cutts and Pacific salmon. They were first classified by a Swedish scientist studying fish from Kamchatka, but there is no real evidence that they actually evolved there.
Someone once told me that rainbow trout originated on the Pacific coast of Siberia. This guy is an outfitter on the Kamchatka Peninsula, so I took it with a grain of salt (bullshit detectors at work, Wayno , but it’s an interesting idea. I’m pretty sure that rainbows are native to Siberia, so there’s no reason they might not have originated there rather than in North America.
The Russians certainly think this. There are even some that think there’s evidence Oncorhynchus sp. as a group originated there. The evidence is purely phenotypic, though, and they concede the evidence admits other possibilities. Go to: http://www.psmfc.org/workshops/shconf98.html and scroll down to the last abstract, "The Diversity of Pacific Trouts in Kamchatkan Water Bodies". A "final" answer will probably have to await complete sequencing of the DNA from a number of native populations across the entire range of the species. That’s no doubt a long way off. There’s a lot of research being done on the genetics of rainbow trout (a complete nucleotide sequence for mitochondrial DNA was published in ‘95). Much, probably most, of it is on hatchery and/or introduced populations rather than native ones. JR
… a complete nucleotide sequence for mitochondrial DNA was published in ‘95) …
Datapoint – within each cell of a human, there is one strand of mitochondrial DNA and 23 pairs (46 strands) of nuclear DNA. For salmon/trout, there is again just one strand of mitochondrial DNA but anywhere from ~26 to 39 pairs of nuclear DNA. The mitochondrial DNA is interesting because it is passed down maternally, so it is useful for tracking lineage. It is also the case that it is only ~16,500 base pairs (roughly letters) long and not highly variable. Nuclear DNA (also called genomic or genetic DNA) on the other hand is passed down from both parents, is constantly mixed up in each individual, and is really the stuff that controls who/what each of us is and or could be. In humans, genetic DNA represents roughly 3 billion base pairs, and in salmon/trout, roughly 2.4 billion base pairs. Many fish studies to date have tried to draw conclusions from the easier-to-work-with mitochondrial DNA, but the really interesting results will come from an in-depth study of the nuclear DNA. As of last year, the more advanced studies going on in the Columbia Basin were drawing conclusions based on 17/1000 of 1% of the nuclear DNA. Thomas Gilg
Steelhead trout originated in Southern California … or points south in Mexico. San Diego county drainages had steelhead and salmon runs as late as the 1940’s. Recently, steelhead were discovered in San Mateo creek, just north of Camp Pendleton in San Diego county, and efforts are underway to return this stream to a viable steelhead fishery. (A very uphill battle!) If you live in the San Diego/Orange County area and would like to participate in a ‘Camping/Cleanup" being conducted on September 8 and 9 (no fishing, strictly a habitat improvement mission), send me email and I’ll send you the details. FiddleAway
Steelhead trout originated in Southern California … or points south in Mexico.
?? JR
Steelhead trout originated in Southern California … or points south in Mexico. ??
At least when the last ice age retreated 10-13,000 years ago, there were ice sheets on both sides of the Columbia River, hence the Columbia is where salmon held over during the last ice age, and once the ice retreated, those salmon spread north and south to their current range. Going back in time, it would be interesting where else salmon many have "held over" and "originated". –tg
Steelhead trout originated in Southern California … or points south in Mexico. ?? JR
There are some theories based on comparative analysis of DNA from rainbows native to this region versus that from rainbows native further north which point at them possibly being genetically the least changed and therefore the oldest. This is alluded to by Loev in his book "Flyfishing For Sharks." Mike — Michael McGuire Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (650)-857-5491 Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971
There are some theories based on comparative analysis of DNA from rainbows native to this region versus that from rainbows native further north which point at them possibly being genetically the least changed and therefore the oldest. This is alluded to by Loev in his book "Flyfishing For Sharks."
That’s interesting. I’ll steal a glance at that section of the book on my next visit to Borders, if they haven’t gone and sold it yet. (Sorry, Rich). Still, even if southern stocks of native rainbows are the oldest, it doesn’t necessarily mean that those stocks were the first to adopt anadromy. FiddleAway: Do folks know where the steelhead "discovered" in Mateo Creek came from? Are they strays or what? Also, if you haven’t yet seen it, you might be interested in: http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd/species/steelhead/ JR
Michael McGuire There are some theories based on comparative analysis of DNA from rainbows native to this region versus that from rainbows native further north which point at them possibly being genetically the least changed and therefore the oldest. This is alluded to by Loev in his book "Flyfishing For Sharks."
One theory is that Colorado Cutts are the grandaddies of the west coast trout strains. The theory is that seagoiong cutts migrated into the Sea of Cortez and down the east coast of Baja, when the latter had a much wetter climate. Eventually these strains migrated down around Cabo and up the Pacific Coast, becoming the Steelhead/Rainbows we know today. The sourthern steelhead eventually developed a tolerance for warmer waters and a life cycle that could tolerate their home streams not being open to the sea every year. As I said before, salmon and steelhead were caught in San Diego county through the 1940’s (maybe later). There is currently a trout fishery in Mexico on the Pacific side of its central mountain range. The Melling Ranch is a commercial outfit that caters to people who wish to try this fishery … these trout are not seagoing trout, however. Today, there are still a few steelhead that return to Malibu Creek just north of LA. At one time, NMFS had set Malibu as the southernmost point for giving special protection status to the fishery. They’ve balked at extending the protective unit as far as San Mateo creek on the border of Orange/San Diego county, but DNA evidence has shown the trout found there to be a unique strain of southern steelhead. Not sure what the current legal status is. I think NMFS is still dragging its heels, but local clubs and conservation associations are continuing to push for restoration of this fishery. Hence, the clean up. FiddleAway
John Russell wrote FiddleAway: Do folks know where the steelhead "discovered" in Mateo Creek came from? Are they strays or what? Also, if you haven’t yet seen it, you might be interested in:
The folks I talked to pretty much subscribe to the theory I posted in another response. The study of the creek ensued after trout where caught in its upper reaches. Fin clippings from some 40 odd individuals showed that all of the trout were in the same, 2 year old, generation. This fact correlated to a heavier winter, two years prior, that had opened up the mouth of the Creek to the ocean. DNA analysis ruled out any relation to stocked strains. These were natural fish that chose to migrate into the creek from the ocean. FiddleAway
John Russell wrote FiddleAway: Do folks know where the steelhead "discovered" in Mateo Creek came from? Are they strays or what? Also, if you haven’t yet seen it, you might be interested in: The folks I talked to pretty much subscribe to the theory I posted in another response.
You’ll have to excuse me if I seem dense, but in your response to Michael (which is the only other one I’ve seen on my server, and I’m assuming is the one you mean), you only say that "DNA evidence has shown the trout found there to be a unique strain of southern steelhead." The study of the creek ensued after trout where caught in its upper reaches. Fin clippings from some 40 odd individuals showed that all of the trout were in the same, 2 year old, generation. This fact correlated to a heavier winter, two years prior, that had opened up the mouth of the Creek to the ocean. DNA analysis ruled out any relation to stocked strains. These were natural fish that chose to migrate into the creek from the ocean.
So you’re saying that these are resident San Mateo rainbows that two years ago, for the first time in decades (or longer) migrated to sea–which is not at all impossible. Or, in other words, that they are *not* strays from a neighboring population (either wild or stocked). Here’s the reason I asked (taken from the comments of the Southern California Steelhead Recovery Coalition to NMFS proposed extension of the S. Cal Steelhead ESU): "Although steelhead are known to have well-developed homing abilities (see P. B. Moyle, Inland fishes of California, [1976]), it is also known that southern steelhead commonly stray from their natal streams. This straying may be selectively advantageous because it would allow spawners to opportunistically utilize more favorable streams when their natal streams dried up or were blocked. (See P. Higgins, Southern California Steelhead Recovery Assessment [1991]). An additional feature of southern steelhead is that they ‘miraculously’ reappeared in large spawning runs when flows became suitable in streams that had been dry or otherwise inaccessible during the previous one or more years. The implication is that streams within the historic range of the Southern California Steelhead ESU that are currently unoccupied may be rediscovered by steelhead at anytime. These unoccupied streams are likely to be discovered when habitat conditions in currently occupied streams are less favorable, indicating that all of the historical range of the Southern California Steelhead ESU is essential for the survival and recovery of this ESU." There’s a larger issue at stake here than the fate of the San Mateo population, as important as that is. JR
So you’re saying that these are resident San Mateo rainbows that two years ago, for the first time in decades (or longer) migrated to sea–which is not at all impossible. Or, in other words, that they are *not* strays from a neighboring population (either wild or stocked).
No. I haven’t heard of any evidence for that. The DNA evidence shows that these trout are related to other southern steelhead. However, I’d be surprised if there aren’t at least anecdotal reports of people catching steelhead in San Mateo creek earlier in the century when all of the drainages in San Diego county were less impacted by development. This would be consistent with the passage you quoted from the SCSRC. There’s a larger issue at stake here than the fate of the San Mateo population, as important as that is.
I agree, if you are talking about Southern Steelhead in general as the ‘larger issue’. FiddleAway
One theory is that Colorado Cutts are the grandaddies of the west coast trout strains. … An interesting theory…I have not read that one.
I haven’t either. I have to admit, I am passing on information I got from someone I know who I take to be well informed on the subject. FiddleAway
One theory is that Colorado Cutts are the grandaddies of the west coast trout strains. The theory is that seagoiong cutts migrated into the Sea of Cortez and down the east coast of Baja, when the latter had a much wetter climate. Eventually these strains migrated down around Cabo and up the Pacific Coast, becoming the Steelhead/Rainbows we know today.
An interesting theory…I have not read that one. My understanding is that the rainbow and cutthroat ancestral lines diverged perhaps as long ago as the Pliocene, and then each ancestral line diverged again to become the species/subspecies that we find today (redband and coastal rainbows and the various subspecies of cutts). Interestingly enough, the southernmost known species of salmonids occurring in watersheds that drain to the Pacific (the Mexican Golden Trout, Apache Trout, and Gila Trout) all appear to be more closely related to rainbows than to cutts. I would expect the reverse to be true if Colorado River cutts represent the ancestral strain.
At least when the last ice age retreated 10-13,000 years ago, there were ice sheets on both sides of the Columbia River, hence the Columbia is where salmon held over during the last ice age, and once the ice retreated, those salmon spread north and south to their current range. Going back in time, it would be interesting where else salmon many have "held over" and "originated".
Actually, there appear to have been perhaps 4 evolutionary lines of Rainbow (or Rainbow ancestors) in the Sea of Cortez during the four Pleistocene glacial maxima. These evolutionary lines are thought to be the source of Apache trout, Gila trout, Mexican Golden trout, and several other unclassified strains (if not distinct species) in the Sierra Madre Occidental range in Mexico.
Tenterden Trout Waters is hosting the Troutmaster 2000 fly fishing competition on Wednesday 10th May.
This is OBVIOUSLY incorrect, as ALL known "Troutmasters" will be down in North Carolina on the 10th… /daytripper (Thought you could fool us, eh?)
This is OBVIOUSLY incorrect, as ALL known "Troutmasters" will be down in North Carolina on the 10th… /daytripper (Thought you could fool us, eh?)
EXXXCCCCUUUUSE ME! Some of us have been left behind. Sorry for the rude interrruption by that Trip person, now what were you saying, rodh1 old boy? Now that all of the scallywags, scoundrels, reprobates, and other assorted riff-raff have transported themselves to NC, the rest of us can conduct a refined, elegant, tasteful, and expert Troutmasters competition. Hey Trip, TTHHUUFFT! 3pm looks good on ya, I hear Louie’s planning to load up on some of that famous chilli for lunch. Enjoy the Audi ambiance. Peter
This is OBVIOUSLY incorrect, as ALL known "Troutmasters" will be down in North Carolina on the 10th… /daytripper (Thought you could fool us, eh?) EXXXCCCCUUUUSE ME! Some of us have been left behind.
Whoops! OK – all but ONE Troutmaster then ;^) Sorry for the rude interrruption by that Trip person, now what were you saying, rodh1 old boy? Now that all of the scallywags, scoundrels, reprobates, and other assorted riff-raff have transported themselves to NC, the rest of us can conduct a refined, elegant, tasteful, and expert Troutmasters competition. Hey Trip, TTHHUUFFT! 3pm looks good on ya, I hear Louie’s planning to load up on some of that famous chilli for lunch. Enjoy the Audi ambiance.
NO! GOD NOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo! I’m packing ear plugs ‘cuz of his taste in music. Better bring some clothes pins, too, I reckon… /daytripper (Dooooooooomed! ;^)
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Tenterden Trout Waters is hosting the Troutmaster 2000 fly fishing competition on Wednesday 10th May.
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Hi gang, I’m fishing this area while on vacation next week. I’d be glad to hear any advice from people who know the area. I’m looking to catch trout, not planning to keep any, and hope to get some photos of some nice ones. Jerry
Check out the thread "Michigan Flyfishing Spots For Vacation" George Adams
Try http://www.troutbums.com/.
[a lot of insufferably smug crap snipped] Chris Simmons
Next time you get the urge to pontificate on the Usenet, head for the toilet instead. Peter Charles
If you colonials didnt have your heads in the sand half the time, and up somebody elses ass the other half, you would know that lavender was the colour the season before last. The absolutely cool fly fisher in the coming season will be wearing pale lemon breathables, under orange wading boots, complemented with pink spats ( gravel guards for the uninitiated ! ) with bright yellow suspenders bearing the logo " If you dont C&R you are a wimp". The whole tastefully topped off with a "shortie" wading jacket in aubergine and beige "flecktarn" with matching hat and chin strap. We are now open for flames ! Tight lines ! ( and whatever else seems appropriate under the circumstances ! ). Mike Connor
And please lets not forget How effective gun control was in Northern Ireland. Jeesh. I contributed to this off topic thread? lets stay with the purpose of this NG please. There is a lot of expertise and love of fly fishing here. lets not dilute it with Politically Correct advodacy crap Davd
[deleted] you dye your own doncha?
..get a big assed food processor a 6 foot butterfly net and round trip airline tickets to gay ski week in Aspen…just make sure to release all the fish when you hit The Pan. Your pal, — TimW
Yeah..shooting fish! He who owns a gun is a citizen? Was this something I missed in the new Imigration Act? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He who doesn’t own a gun is a victim. He who owns a gun is a citizen George Gehrke
He means "He who owns a gun is a driving license holder" (if even that). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah..shooting fish! He who owns a gun is a citizen? Was this something I missed in the new Imigration Act? He who doesn’t own a gun is a victim. He who owns a gun is a citizen George Gehrke
He who doesn’t own a gun is a victim. He who owns a gun is a citizen George Gehrke
A gun is like a parachute, when you need one-YOU NEED ONE John Popp
He who doesn’t own a gun is a victim. He who owns a gun is a citizen George Gehrke A gun is like a parachute, when you need one-YOU NEED ONE John Popp
People who own guns are more likely to get shot than those who dont . Mike Connor
Chris, you talk like someone who still view Americans as strange type with plaid pants, 3 cameras round their necks and all talking loudly but not saying anything. You clearly have never been to the US. I am a British ex-pat and I tell you they are *exactly* like Brits, insofar as Brits are exactly like everyone else in the world. Sorry to burst your bubble on that one. In fact in many ways, living here is so much better. I don’t need to lock my door at night, I leave my car unlocked with the windows down when I go fishing on a main road and the worst that has ever happened is that I had a wet set when I returned. British gun laws and British ‘freedom with responsibility’ didn’t stop the Northern Irish from slaughtering 3000 odd people. Can’t remember the last time Americans pulled two people from a car, stripped them naked whilst women onlookers jeered and eventually put two bullets their heads. Doesn’t jump out at me. The now-famous mass killings here in the US are no different from the Hungerford slaughter in the late 80s, or that recent one in Scotland. These examples come out without having to think. You should do some national self reflection before you post. Really. As far as this newsgroup goes, don’t read the ‘50%’ of posts that don’t interest you. Notice that only a small percentage of the people in the group start and nurture these threads. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out who they are. Start the odd thread now and then, if you are so inclined. Good luck and enjoy the news group. It is one of the best forums on the net, IMHO. Gary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a Internet user, Ex Service man and fly fisher I have over the last year or so taken a keen interest in your News group.I find it Very Interesting to see how our American friends do things. With some 50% of your postings being off subject on such items as your politicians conduct, Slagging off other users and even Gun Control issues or lack of them .I must admit to find some of your postings sad but amusing. How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief, mind you With your political scandal (our politicians are the same) aren’t they all !. Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up the good postings and Tight lines Best regards from over the pond Chris Simmons
says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] would someone in colorado tell me everything they have learned about where to fish and how to fish? i am planning a week-long trip to denver, and need something to spend money on. for instance, are neoprene waders worn by the cool guys? if so, what brand should i get? Sure… Wear lavender so you don’t clash with the wallpaper when you get back to the hotel. Your pal, TimW
Where the hell do you order them? Should be in the orvis cat…no mention of em. not in cabella’s either. Felt sure I’d find a pair for sale on EH’s page, but no luck there. gotta be cool, doncha know. questions….. timbo, you dye your own doncha? do you use a commercial non-bleeding dye? how long do you soak/bathe em? any special curing tricks you care to share? best…. –Wataugan Walt
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief, mind you With your political scandal (our politicians are the same) aren’t they all !. Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up
Chris, These are the very reasons that I stay home and go on-line. Love from the Colonies, Ron
[deleted] would someone in colorado tell me everything they have learned about where to fish and how to fish? i am planning a week-long trip to denver, and need something to spend money on. for instance, are neoprene waders worn by the cool guys? if so, what brand should i get?
Sure… Wear lavender so you don’t clash with the wallpaper when you get back to the hotel. Your pal, TimW
As a Internet user, Ex Service man and fly fisher I have over the last year or so taken a keen interest in your News group.I find it Very Interesting to see how our American friends do things. With some 50% of your postings being off subject on such items as your politicians conduct, Slagging off other users and even Gun Control issues or lack of them .I must admit to find some of your postings sad but amusing. How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief,
(lots of failure to communicate snipped) So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up the good postings and Tight lines Best regards from over the pond Chris Simmons
oh, well, i will interrupt my partying on to supply a post that might please you, chris old fellow: thomas & thomas is better than sage. no, sage is better. isn’t. is. or, perhaps this one: would someone in colorado tell me everything they have learned about where to fish and how to fish? i am planning a week-long trip to denver, and need something to spend money on. for instance, are neoprene waders worn by the cool guys? if so, what brand should i get? or this: as you all know, the "humpbacked scarlet zizzwheel" is one of the greatest late season carp flies of all time. should i make my final dubbing with rat fur stained with the urine of immature fox? well, hope that satisfies your need for the kind of posts we would get if "off topic" material were banned on roff. sure has been enough for me, for a while. a. wayne harrison
(snipped) My favorite is the "we don’t want to take guns away from law-abiding citizens, only criminals". – Gee, how are you going to do that? – By making laws.
(fun and telling stuff snipped) Later, – Ken P.S. It’s been illegal for criminals to own guns for a long time now, hasn’t helped yet.
you go, kj.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a Internet user, Ex Service man and fly fisher I have over the last year or so taken a keen interest in your News group.I find it Very Interesting to see how our American friends do things. With some 50% of your postings being off subject on such items as your politicians conduct, Slagging off other users and even Gun Control issues or lack of them .I must admit to find some of your postings sad but amusing. How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief, mind you With your political scandal (our politicians are the same) aren’t they all !. Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up the good postings and Tight lines Best regards from over the pond Chris Simmons
A slight correction, assault rifles are not legal here. What you hear about are semi autos that are cosmetically simular judged by gun control advocates as assault weapons (a non entity). You may also wish to check out the crimes here as in England seems the English crime statistics are higher. Sorry for the off topic post but the corrections had to be made. John Popp in Sanford Fl.
He who doesn’t own a gun is a victim. He who owns a gun is a citizen George Gehrke
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… As a Internet user, Ex Service man and fly fisher I have over the last year or so taken a keen interest in your News group.I find it Very Interesting to see how our American friends do things. With some 50% of your postings being off subject on such items as your politicians conduct, Slagging off other users and even Gun Control issues or lack of them .I must admit to find some of your postings sad but amusing. How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief, mind you With your political scandal (our politicians are the same) aren’t they all !. Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up the good postings and Tight lines Best regards from over the pond Chris Simmons Chris, I take it you’re from our motherland. We all have our problems. As far as off-topic, ‘thar really ain’t no such thing. We dialogue here as we would on a stream (actually, a little more civily on the stream). Our bond being, this is our cyber stream and it’s full of flies (bait) and risers. So wade on in, the waters cold. aside from all that, we can’t fish all the time….god knows I’ve tried… –Wataugan Walt
Steelhead for you today. The biggest did damage to my Famous Grouse drinking arm. Just goes to show what I’ll do for a friend. Ow! Easy honey. Just rub the shoulder a little longer. ah? could you hand me that glass right there? yes, thank youuuuuuuuuuuu – sip! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! (this is a dirty, thankless, filthy sport but someone’s got to do it) —
As a Internet user, Ex Service man and fly fisher I have over the last year or so taken a keen interest in your News group.I find it Very Interesting to see how our American friends do things. With some 50% of your postings being off subject on such items as your politicians conduct, Slagging off other users and even Gun Control issues or lack of them .I must admit to find some of your postings sad but amusing. How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief, mind you With your political scandal (our politicians are the same) aren’t they all !. Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up the good postings and Tight lines Best regards from over the pond Chris Simmons
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Simmons: <<Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! Ah, but take heart, my friend. Doncha know that there are now more than 2000 gun laws and the liberals want more. They believe we can legistlate morals. More guns? Hell, give ‘em more laws and more laws. That’ll teach ‘em! Dave LaCourse
My favorite is the "we don’t want to take guns away from law-abiding citizens, only criminals". – Gee, how are you going to do that? – By making laws. – Silly question time, but what makes a person a criminal? – They break the law. [Stunned Silence] – So you’re gonna create laws to keep people who break laws from having guns? [More Stunned Silence] – [DUH] Ya gotta love short-sighted people. Later, - Ken P.S. It’s been illegal for criminals to own guns for a long time now, hasn’t helped yet.
<<Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. You forgot one thing. Freedom from English rule came from citizens having access to fire arms.
Simmons: <<Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! Ah, but take heart, my friend. Doncha know that there are now more than 2000 gun laws and the liberals want more. They believe we can legistlate morals. More guns? Hell, give ‘em more laws and more laws. That’ll teach ‘em! Dave LaCourse
Flyfish4fun: <<You forgot one thing. Freedom from English rule came from citizens having access to fire arms. LOL. Wish I had said that! Dave LaCourse
says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -As a Internet user, Ex Service man and fly fisher I have over the last year or so taken a keen interest in your News group.I find it Very Interesting to see how our American friends do things. With some 50% of your postings being off subject on such items as your politicians conduct, Slagging off other users and even Gun Control issues or lack of them .I must admit to find some of your postings sad but amusing. How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief, mind you With your political scandal (our politicians are the same) aren’t they all !. Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up the good postings and Tight lines Best regards from over the pond Chris Simmons
Chris, I take it you’re from our motherland. We all have our problems. As far as off-topic, ‘thar really ain’t no such thing. We dialogue here as we would on a stream (actually, a little more civily on the stream). Our bond being, this is our cyber stream and it’s full of flies (bait) and risers. So wade on in, the waters cold. aside from all that, we can’t fish all the time….god knows I’ve tried… –Wataugan Walt
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -As a Internet user, Ex Service man and fly fisher I have over the last year or so taken a keen interest in your News group.I find it Very Interesting to see how our American friends do things. With some 50% of your postings being off subject on such items as your politicians conduct, Slagging off other users and even Gun Control issues or lack of them .I must admit to find some of your postings sad but amusing. How some of you find time, with some of the best flyfishing in the world to engage in this off message rubbish beggars belief, mind you With your political scandal (our politicians are the same) aren’t they all !. Over 100 of your Civilians die a week from gunshot wounds 1,600 of your children killed per year by firearms Every 90 minutes one of your motorist try to beat a train on a level crossing (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to guess who wins) Ability to purchase an assault rifle for protecting your homes, or blow an hole in the next six homes in case of an accidental discharge! An old proverb comes to mind Freedom with responsibility is hard earned. Freedom with out responsibility is anarchy. So to all the sad cases, party on. To the real flyfishers on line keep up the good postings and Tight lines Best regards from over the pond Chris Simmons
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Walt, I don’t think this kid fly-fishes. He looks like a wire line troller. Wayne To fish is human…to release devine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – aside from all that, we can’t fish all the time….god knows I’ve tried… –Wataugan Walt
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else? Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man? Greenbacks? Lahontans? Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure? Or have they been augmented by Man at any time? I’d really love to know. Is there a good book on this topic? JE
Try the south fork of the Flathead river. Only has native west slope cutthroats and dolly varden. both are thriving, and are natives. little hard to reach though…. in the bob Marshall Wilderness…. which is why they are still natives.
I’m on the other side of the mountains, but there are a few little small streams coming down out of the mountains near my house have have native brookies. And 8 incher is a lunker, but they’re gorgeous.
Apache trout are still found in decent numbers in one watershed on the eastern Sierra, but no fishing is allowed and it is patrolled by a back country ranger whose only territory is that particular watershed.
OOOOOOPPPPS!! This was supposed to say Piute Cutthroat, not Apache trout. Sorry ’bout that, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? Jon, I don’t know a lot about many places, but wild native Brook Trout are still to be found in a few of the spring creek headwaters in the Appalachians (North Georgia, N.C.) but they are having a real tough time surviving the ever encroaching effects of man. As I’m sure you’re aware, the Brookie needs colder, clearer water than most freshwater species, and this presents a problem as the streams warm due to the activities on or near the various watershed. Also, they cannot fend for themselves when pitted against Browns and Rainbows for a limited food supply. Sadly, another problem that the little brookies have is that they have a reputation of being too easy, and too small (we’re not talking Labrador here) so they don’t get a lot of attention.
Here in the eastern part of Tn we still have some native brookies. It looks like they are coming back. I recently caught and released a 10 inch brook trout and caught many more of lesser caliber. Hans
Fereira) writes: Do you know if the "Eagle Lake" rainbow is considered "native"?
Yes, it is native to Eagle Lake in Northern CA but has also been transplanted to lots of otherwise dead waters or to places where water is too alkaline for other types of trout including more common strains of rainbows . This particular strain can tolerate higher alkalinity than normal trout. They also get REAL BIG! Good Fishing, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools
Yep! Terry Weir is right. Every fish I catch is a native, wild fish! Love that salt water biodiversity too! Wayne Marshall
I think the brookies in Shenandoah NP are native. — Charlie… You weren’t supposed to tell
OOPs<g. They are so pretty though and hard enough to catch that I hope I didn’t do any harm. I can remember hiking back in a couple of miles, suprising a bear or two, and crawling up behind a boulder to make a cast into a pool that couldn’t have been much bigger than the inside of my rental car. What a lot of fun! — Charlie…
Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else? Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man? Greenbacks? Lahontans? Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure? Or have they been augmented by Man at any time? I’d really love to know. Is there a good book on this topic? JE
I think the brookies in Shenandoah NP are native. — Charlie…
I think the brookies in Shenandoah NP are native. — Charlie…
You weren’t supposed to tell
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? JE <snip you would like the book "Native Trout of North America" by Robert H. Smith published by Amato Publications. this book is a search for native, pure strain fish. lots of searching of the high desert, tiny streams, etc. pretty good reading too. he goes after the fish with a fly rod. I second the recommendation for Robert H. Smiths book. It’s been my resourse for any question that have come up in the group over the past few years. John Fereira
Yes; also for a strictly scientific approach to this interesting subject, try Robert J. Behnke’s monograph of western trouts: _Native Trout of Western North America_ pub. by: American Fisheries Society 5410 Grosvenor Lane, Suite 110 Bethesda, MD 20814 Cheers, and tight Lines! – Mark
: Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the : continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the [snip] : Man at any time? I’d really love to know. Is there a good book on this : topic? Read Lewis and Clark’s Journal. The same fish are still here in this part of the world. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
Otherwise thank all your angler fellows introducing brook trout, rainbows, and – even worse- brown trout (of course with WD) into rivers where they outcompete the natives.
[deleted] Then the hypocritical irony of calling these the ‘wild fish’ and not wanting to eat ‘em because they are beautiful wild fish. TimW
ry the Atlantic ocean. Native Stripers and Blues up to 30 lbs or more on a fly. That’s fishin! Terry Weir Right on Terry. I grew up on Long Island sound and looked forward to every autum for a shot at those really BIG Blues. I was speaking specifically of trout in the post though. By the way, how is the Bluefish run shaping up this year? It’s been a long time…… JE
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else? Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man? Greenbacks? Lahontans? Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure? Or have they been augmented by Man at any time? I’d really love to know. Is there a good book on this topic? California is loaded with native rainbows. They are indiginous to the west slope of the sierra and are wide spread with many identifiable strains.
Do you know if the "Eagle Lake" rainbow is considered "native"? The giant Lahontan Cutthroat is gone for good, but some "almost" pure strain can still be found in the Eastern Sierra and in Pyramid Lake in Nevada. The population in Pyramid Lake is artificially spawned each year by the Indians who control the Lake. The original strain was wiped out with Bureau of Land Management project #1 which was the Darby Dam on the Truckee River.
The Piute cutthroat can still be found in it’s native waters in an area a bit further south. Ralph Cutter has some great info on these trout in his book "Sierra Trout Guide".
Agreed. Robert Behnke has a good book out on Native Trout of North America (think that’s the title) but it is hard to find and expensive.
Actually Behnke’s book is called "Native Trout of Western North America". Robert Smiths book is called "Native Trout of North America". Hope this helps, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else? Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man? Greenbacks? Lahontans? Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure? Or have they been augmented by Man at any time? I’d really love to know. Is there a good book on this topic? JE you would like the book "Native Trout of North America" by Robert H. Smith published by Amato Publications. this book is a search for native, pure strain fish. lots of searching of the high desert, tiny streams, etc. pretty good reading too. he goes after the fish with a fly rod.
I second the recommendation for Robert H. Smiths book. It’s been my resourse for any question that have come up in the group over the past few years. John Fereira Stop Unsolicited Commercial Email – Join CAUCE (http://www.cauce.org) Support HR 1748, the anti-spam bill.
Try the Atlantic ocean. Native Stripers and Blues up to 30 lbs or more on a fly. That’s fishin! Terry Weir
Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else? Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man? Greenbacks? Lahontans? Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure? Or have they been augmented by Man at any time? I’d really love to know. Is there a good book on this topic?
California is loaded with native rainbows. They are indiginous to the west slope of the sierra and are wide spread with many identifiable strains. The Shasta rainbow is one strain that is found throughout northern CA, and the McCloud rainbow is still found in its native waters of the McCloud river in CA. Strange thing, McCloud has the Shasta Rainbow and the McCloud (subspecies) in the same water along with the non-native brown trout (two strains of that one also). Pure strain McCloud rainbows are easily discerned by their tangerine orange stripe and cheeks along with orange cuts under the chin. Not often caught, but spectacular fish. There is not a question what it is when you catch one. Specific strains of Steelhead have been all but wiped out in many areas, But some native runs survive. Skamania Strain (Washington state strain from Skamania River) hatchery replacements were introduced in many of the rivers to mitigate the destruction (and continued destruction) of their habitat. Poor attempt at a solution. Apache trout are still found in decent numbers in one watershed on the eastern Sierra, but no fishing is allowed and it is patrolled by a back country ranger whose only territory is that particular watershed. Numerous fly fishing clubs have helped with stream reconstruction projects ther to help repair damage from grazing cattle. The giant Lahontan Cutthroat is gone for good, but some "almost" pure strain can still be found in the Eastern Sierra and in Pyramid Lake in Nevada. The population in Pyramid Lake is artificially spawned each year by the Indians who control the Lake. The original strain was wiped out with Bureau of Land Management project #1 which was the Darby Dam on the Truckee River. Although they thought they provided for it, the dam wiped out all of the spawning area and within a few years, the 40 lb. + Lahontan Cutthroat were gone. Used to be a cannery at the mouth of the Lake that netted fish, canned them, and shipped them throughout the world in the 1800’s. Was a booming industry until the dam. They did find some pockets of the Lahontan Cutthroat in some lakes on the east slope of the Sierra and that is what is currently in Pyramid Lake. There is some controversy as to whether they are pure strain or not, but they don’t grow nearly as large as the native strain that was in Pyramid Lake. Still catch 8 to 15 lb. Cutthroat there, but not much chance of breaking that 40 lb. record. Goldens can still be found in the Kern drainage (native waters), but few are pure strain as there were hatchery plants again in the 1800’s when rainbow hatcheries were thought to be the best thing since sliced bread. There are some pure strain fish still in there that were geologically isolated from the drainage they dumped the rainbow plants in. Ralph Cutter has some great info on these trout in his book "Sierra Trout Guide". We also have lots of native squaw fish but they are not much of a gamefish and they predate on salmonids. Robert Behnke has a good book out on Native Trout of North America (think that’s the title) but it is hard to find and expensive. Hope this helps, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools
Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? snip< JE
Try Maine, Jon. There are still places producing fairly good size native brook trout. And, the landlock salmon fishing ain’t too shabby either. However, I believe the landlocks were stocked as fingerlings years ago. Of course you may have trouble finding *exactly* where to go. ;0) Dave L.
Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else? Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man? Greenbacks? Lahontans? Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure? Or have they been augmented by Man at any time? I’d really love to know. Is there a good book on this topic? JE
Take a look at Ralph Cutters book about the Sierra Nevada. Otherwise thank all your angler fellows introducing brook trout, rainbows, and – even worse- brown trout (of course with WD) into rivers where they outcompete the natives. Look at recent discussions about the reintroduction of native grayling into Yellowstone National Park and all the counterarguments of these f****** stupid fisherman who only want to catch lots of big fish without caring about ecological interconnections. The general agreement of environmental destruction (what else is the deminishing of species variety in a given biotop?) is responsible that you can
Great Post!! I had the advantage of learning an appreciation of nature & fishing from my father at an early age. Although he wasn’t a fly fisherman & we fished for bass, musky, northerns etc, he had a love of wilderness & we shared some wonderful times together. Since leaving my father’s home some thirty years ago & moving to Colorado, I’ve evolved into a fly fisherman through alot of reading, trial & error, and countless hours on the stream. The way I fish today, is very different from the fishing I did with my father, but it is firmly rooted in the appreciation of fish, water & nature I learned from him. I flyfish in my own way, that is more restrictive than George’s "one" definition. But this is FOR ME. I don’t define flyfishing for others by how I fish. I would probably be considered to be following the "Art Form.". For me, when things are "right", the pleasure is viseral, elementary & fundamental & may or may not involve catching fish. However, flaming, belittling other people’s ideas or ways of doing things, & self rightuous preachings do not advances one’s cause. In fact the opposite is the result. Like most things, flyfishing is personnal & individual. There are no rules except for those you choose to follow. There is no one right way. Willi
I never used a strike indicator until about two years ago. My eyes are deteriorating because of diabetes and I have trouble seeing my leader/line. I put on a piece of yarn I got from my wife (Lefty’s idea), and was amazed at the strikes I was able to detect.
I limit the use of strike indicators for those times of day when I would otherwise be unable to see my leader, so I guess i’m as unethical as Dave. Anybody who uses anything to aid his visual capacity must be unethical; I demand that all of you unethical polaroid user/abusers turn yourselves in at once. Charlie
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<<…..However, flaming, belittling other people’s ideas or ways of doing things, & self rightuous preachings do not advances one’s cause. In fact the opposite is the result. A couple of great posts, especially the above. I learned to fly fish in the 40s from my mom and dad, on the Deerfield, the Westfield, and the Farmington rivers. We did not have most of the "neat" things available to fly fishermen today. We didn’t have zingers or nippers. And, we didn’t have strike indicators OR Gink. The flames I have seen on ROFF must come in jest, because if you approve of one innovation (Gink for instance) but disapprove of another (strike indicators, for instance), then you are surely a hypocrite of the first order. I never used a strike indicator until about two years ago. My eyes are deteriorating because of diabetes and I have trouble seeing my leader/line. I put on a piece of yarn I got from my wife (Lefty’s idea), and was amazed at the strikes I was able to detect. It was as if a was a boy in the 40s, fishing a wet fly! I also sometimes use the things when fishing a dry, for I find it difficult to see my #16 caddis in fast water. However, they do affect the drift in a negative way. Orvis’ Quick Site orange butt leaders are also helpful for me to see the fly. Fly fishing has always been a visceral thing with me (and probably with most other folk also!). And, it has always been a solitary venture. You may "go" with a fishing buddy or two, but once you make your first cast, you are "alone". If I need something to help me continue fly fishing (strike indicators), I will use it and I could shive a git what some narrow-minded bigoted people think of it. And if you come upon me on a stream and call me "lazy" or "ignorant" or "stupid", well, you will be in a helluva lot of trouble. Dave LaCourse
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great Post!! I had the advantage of learning an appreciation of nature & fishing from my father at an early age. Although he wasn’t a fly fisherman & we fished for bass, musky, northerns etc, he had a love of wilderness & we shared some wonderful times together. Since leaving my father’s home some thirty years ago & moving to Colorado, I’ve evolved into a fly fisherman through alot of reading, trial & error, and countless hours on the stream. The way I fish today, is very different from the fishing I did with my father, but it is firmly rooted in the appreciation of fish, water & nature I learned from him. I flyfish in my own way, that is more restrictive than George’s "one" definition. But this is FOR ME. I don’t define flyfishing for others by how I fish. I would probably be considered to be following the "Art Form.". For me, when things are "right", the pleasure is viseral, elementary & fundamental & may or may not involve catching fish. However, flaming, belittling other people’s ideas or ways of doing things, & self rightuous preachings do not advances one’s cause. In fact the opposite is the result. Like most things, flyfishing is personnal & individual. There are no rules except for those you choose to follow. There is no one right way. Willi
Somebody finally said "it all" about our sport. Congratulations Willi, you’ve really got a handle on it. Jim
I’m neither a red neck nor a yuppie, but somewhere in between. I didn’t get started in all this by some movie. I learned long ago on a river in my youth, the hard way. Many fish outings and many lessons over those early years. Today the upstarts buy a ticket at the window and get on the ride. Instantly you have a "Fly fisherman in a can." In gulp they take it all in without ever getting the true taste. They seem to acquire and possess the knowledge of several life times and doing it at hyper speed. Has Fly Fishing become a pastime that resembles a brothel in comparison? I guess most of us want the real genuine thing regardless of the amount of effort that we put forth. For some, the need is so great for success that the real elementary lessons are never really encountered. Today you can have any thing you want as long as you can pay for it. To hell with it if you have to earn it. Another example is that you can buy your way to the summit of Mt. Everest without ever having to work or earn a place on a real team. Somewhere the "Art Form of Fly Fishing" was taken over by the Science form. What does that mean? Every element has been reduced to the science matter of increasing the catch. Why, and to what end do we need the numbers? Our children have petting Zoos, do we need them too? For a number of years I was away from fly fishing, spending my time climbing and sailing. There you had to be a participant and be real to get from one place the next. You had to perform on your own merits and deficiencies and overcome your short comings. Yes, the real art form comes from within. But the science has reduced Fly Fishing to an action vs. reaction, to an event to a counter-event and so on. All the elements have been broken down to their parts to be studied and be reproduced. Blindness comes in many forms. I choose not to be one of the ones looking over the elephant. What George speaks of is the art form and trying to maintain some semblance of the true heritage. Some places are just not mente to be fished. Sort of like peeing on hallow ground. Could the heritage of fly fishing be lost in only one generation? The old-timers while not gods do have much to offer. Do we set them aside, all for the achievements for scientific end? I would rather learn form an old-timer than take the shortcut route via the scientific method. But as time moves on, new meets old and a blending occurs. Hopefully without the distortion of where we came from and adding a price tag to it. My ten year-old son summed it up the other day, "Dad, you know this is the best Sunday school that you take me to." He sees the true art form for what it is and the meaning of being skunked. He will spend more time watching and asking questions than actually fishing. He will keep a fish and throw some back for next time. He hates truck trout and the ones scared by others. We have more to learn from them than is truly realized. But is the evil metastasis occurring before our very eyes? For me its the real thing or sometimes a little hair on the palms. The store bought knowledge you can get it at the edge of most towns in Nevada. — Doug Knight metalfab<atefaxinc.com Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP. Evil flames $1,000.00 per mailing.
Humor is the Best Antidote A recent opinion/commentary by Salem, Oregon newspaper reporter Henry Miller tersely contended among other things, that fly angling and spinfishing with casting bubble and a fly, are one and the same. Inspired by Miller’s profound ignorance of flyfishing and it’s centuries-old heritage, I hearby present The Henry Miller, a new genre of fly angling humor: "Henry Miller is so dumb…" …he thinks fly dressing is made by Kraft and sold at Waremart. …he thinks a streamer is someone who fishes…what else? Streams. …he thinks a roll cast is tossing bread to the ducks on Mill Creek. …he thinks Korkers are steelhead baits. …he thinks a double haul is two truck loads of top soil. …he thinks a dry fly is a no-drinks America West flight. …he thinks Mustad 9672 is a television program. …he thinks stripping line is a single’s bar come-on. …he thinks a riffle is a 30.06. …he thinks pocket water is a very small canteen. …he thinks herl means projectile regurgitation. …he thinks Sage is a kitchen spice. …he thinks a Royal Coachman is Prince Charles’ chauffeur. …he thinks fly casting refers to actor Jeff Goldblum. …he thinks a blood knot is a marriage of cousins. …he thinks 4X refers to a brand of condom. …he thinks dubbing is a lip sink. …he thinks The Big Horn is taking "cuts" in a movie line. …he thinks a fly rod is an insect’s reproductive appendage. …he thinks rod wraps are corporal punishment. …he thinks Orvis refers to a mouth, nose, or ear. …he thinks mending a line means equivocation. …he thinks a graphite rod is a pencil. …he thinks Haig-Brown is a fly pattern. …he thinks catch and release is a sin. …he thinks fish wrapper doesn’t refer to his column. Send your Henry Millers to: Jon Hazen – List Keeper Jon Hazen
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Humor is the Best Antidote A recent opinion/commentary by Salem, Oregon newspaper reporter Henry Miller tersely contended among other things, that fly angling and spinfishing with casting bubble and a fly, are one and the same. Inspired by Miller’s profound ignorance of flyfishing and it’s centuries-old heritage, I hearby present The Henry Miller, a new genre of fly angling humor: "Henry Miller is so dumb…" …he thinks fly dressing is made by Kraft and sold at Waremart. …he thinks a streamer is someone who fishes…what else? Streams. …he thinks a roll cast is tossing bread to the ducks on Mill Creek. …he thinks Korkers are steelhead baits. …he thinks a double haul is two truck loads of top soil. …he thinks a dry fly is a no-drinks America West flight. …he thinks Mustad 9672 is a television program. …he thinks stripping line is a single’s bar come-on. …he thinks a riffle is a 30.06. …he thinks pocket water is a very small canteen. …he thinks herl means projectile regurgitation. …he thinks Sage is a kitchen spice. …he thinks a Royal Coachman is Prince Charles’ chauffeur. …he thinks fly casting refers to actor Jeff Goldblum. …he thinks a blood knot is a marriage of cousins. …he thinks 4X refers to a brand of condom. …he thinks dubbing is a lip sink. …he thinks The Big Horn is taking "cuts" in a movie line. …he thinks a fly rod is an insect’s reproductive appendage. …he thinks rod wraps are corporal punishment. …he thinks Orvis refers to a mouth, nose, or ear. …he thinks mending a line means equivocation. …he thinks a graphite rod is a pencil. …he thinks Haig-Brown is a fly pattern. …he thinks catch and release is a sin. …he thinks fish wrapper doesn’t refer to his column.
…he thinks steelhead is the ammo for a 30.06. …he thinks nymph is the synonym for nymphet. …he thinks A River Runs Through It is Chicago’s motto. …he thinks a leader is Bill or Newt (take your pick!). Musconet
Humor is the Best Antidote A recent opinion/commentary by Salem, Oregon newspaper reporter Henry Miller tersely contended among other things, that fly angling and spinfishing with casting bubble and a fly, are one and the same.
BEING A RESIDENT OF OREGON, I THOUGHT I’D ADVISE YOU THAT MR. MILLER’S USE OF THE TERM FLY ANGLING IS CORRECT IN IT’S COMPARISON TO SPIN FISHING WITH A FLY AND BUBBLE. HERE ON THE NORTH UMPQUA WE HAVE 35 MILES OF FLY ANGLING ONLY WATER. AND YES, FISHING WITH A FLY AND BUBBLE AS WELL AS WITH CONVENTIONAL FLYFISHING TACKLE IS ALLOWED. IT IS "FLY ANGLING" NOT "FLYFISHING" PERHAPS YOUR HUMOR MIGHT BE REDIRECTED! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Inspired by Miller’s profound ignorance of flyfishing and it’s centuries-old heritage, I hearby present The Henry Miller, a new genre of fly angling humor: "Henry Miller is so dumb…" …he thinks fly dressing is made by Kraft and sold at Waremart. …he thinks a streamer is someone who fishes…what else? Streams. …he thinks a roll cast is tossing bread to the ducks on Mill Creek. …he thinks Korkers are steelhead baits. …he thinks a double haul is two truck loads of top soil. …he thinks a dry fly is a no-drinks America West flight. …he thinks Mustad 9672 is a television program. …he thinks stripping line is a single’s bar come-on. …he thinks a riffle is a 30.06. …he thinks pocket water is a very small canteen. …he thinks herl means projectile regurgitation. …he thinks Sage is a kitchen spice. …he thinks a Royal Coachman is Prince Charles’ chauffeur. …he thinks fly casting refers to actor Jeff Goldblum. …he thinks a blood knot is a marriage of cousins. …he thinks 4X refers to a brand of condom. …he thinks dubbing is a lip sink. …he thinks The Big Horn is taking "cuts" in a movie line. …he thinks a fly rod is an insect’s reproductive appendage. …he thinks rod wraps are corporal punishment. …he thinks Orvis refers to a mouth, nose, or ear. …he thinks mending a line means equivocation. …he thinks a graphite rod is a pencil. …he thinks Haig-Brown is a fly pattern. …he thinks catch and release is a sin. …he thinks fish wrapper doesn’t refer to his column. Send your Henry Millers to: Jon Hazen – List Keeper Jon Hazen
Humor is the Best Antidote A recent opinion/commentary by Salem, Oregon newspaper reporter Henry Miller tersely contended among other things, that fly angling and spinfishing with casting bubble and a fly, are one and the same.
Menard) spat: BEING A RESIDENT OF OREGON, I THOUGHT I’D ADVISE YOU THAT MR. MILLER’S USE OF THE TERM FLY ANGLING IS CORRECT IN IT’S COMPARISON TO SPIN FISHING WITH A FLY AND BUBBLE. HERE ON THE NORTH UMPQUA WE HAVE 35 MILES OF FLY ANGLING ONLY WATER. AND YES, FISHING WITH A FLY AND BUBBLE AS WELL AS WITH CONVENTIONAL FLYFISHING TACKLE IS ALLOWED. IT IS "FLY ANGLING" NOT "FLYFISHING" PERHAPS YOUR HUMOR MIGHT BE REDIRECTED!
Oh my god…a knitpicker…without a sense of humor or a lowercase keyboard. "Better get the gaff and the bat for this one." :) Inspired by Miller’s profound ignorance of flyfishing and it’s centuries-old heritage, I hearby present The Henry Miller, a new genre of fly angling humor: "Henry Miller is so dumb…" …he thinks The Big Horn is taking "cuts" in a movie long line. …he thinks fish wrapper doesn’t refer to his column.
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I haven’t been really following this thread and there may have been some email responses as well. Could someone summarize? I too would like to get some polarized Rx glasses. — John Fereira, posting from historic Pleasanton, Ca. Viacom Cable "More Of What You’re Looking For"
I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses types are too cumbersome.
Yes… There’s a company called Cabela’s that has perscription polarized sunglasses for as low as $149 (and as high as $199). They’re by "Specialized eyewear". I’ve never heard of it, but you may have. They look fairly nice. Order their catalog… The number is 1-800-237-4444 (24 hours, 7 days a week, US and Canada). -Steve — Duke Systems BBS/Info System – 216/587-4474 (10PM-7AM EST) 14.4k v.32
I have a pair of bifocal Rx polaroids I mail-ordered fro the Cabella’s catalog several years ago. They work great. I use them all the time. Price was in the $220 neighborhood, I think, which is not bad…
I have two pair of polarized prescription sunglasses. The construction is a sandwich with the polarizing material in between. One is plastic and very light, the other is photogray glass and doesn’t seem to be much (if any) thicker than the standard glass lenses. don’t go totally clear inside. I doubt if I would get them again unless that aspect changed, but they do a very good job outdoors. The plastic ones were about $160 and are extremely comfortable and effective. Enjoy, Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stonick) says: says: MAJOR DRAWBACK: polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps. I think that the polarizing mechanism is plastic. I do not think that you can get glass molecules to line up into nice rows to perform filtering to polarize the light. The glass portion of your lens is the prescription portion. The polarizing laminate is plastic. I assume that they can join this laminate to plastic as well as glass corrective lens. I will ask my brother-in-law (optometrist). I would guess that you could even put the scratch resistant coating over the polarizing laminate. John, If I’m wrong on this one then I’m stuck with a pair of glasses that are heavier than need be. When I purchased these lenses there really wasn’t any question about whether they were glass of plastic…no choice. After looking at my sunglasses (which I just did) I cannot really tell if they are glass or plastic. They are abou the same thickness as my regular lenses (plastic). I suppose the important point was that they said they were not scratch resistant. Again…if they can be made scratch resistant…I missed the boat. One other important item not to be overlooked. When you purchase the frames, assuming you buy something like a Ray Ban or other regular sunglass, buy the version with regular sunglass lenses rather than polarized, non-prescription lenses which will cost you a lot more. I think the difference between buying my sunglasses with regular vs polarized non-script lenses was 85. vs 130. Don’t let them sucker you into the non-script polarized unless you may need them later (eg if you buy contacts and might switch lenses). Sorry for all the long-windedness of this..the end result is that I really like the glasses I have and would recommend getting prescription polarized. Scott
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says: MAJOR DRAWBACK: polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps. I think that the polarizing mechanism is plastic. I do not think that you can get glass molecules to line up into nice rows to perform filtering to polarize the light. The glass portion of your lens is the prescription portion. The polarizing laminate is plastic. I assume that they can join this laminate to plastic as well as glass corrective lens. I will ask my brother-in-law (optometrist). I would guess that you could even put the scratch resistant coating over the polarizing laminate.
The laminate the polaarizing plastic over your lense (plastic or glass). — Richard Park
Stonick) says: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says: MAJOR DRAWBACK: polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps. I think that the polarizing mechanism is plastic. I do not think that you can get glass molecules to line up into nice rows to perform filtering to polarize the light. The glass portion of your lens is the prescription portion. The polarizing laminate is plastic. I assume that they can join this laminate to plastic as well as glass corrective lens. I will ask my brother-in-law (optometrist). I would guess that you could even put the scratch resistant coating over the polarizing laminate.
John, If I’m wrong on this one then I’m stuck with a pair of glasses that are heavier than need be. When I purchased these lenses there really wasn’t any question about whether they were glass of plastic…no choice. After looking at my sunglasses (which I just did) I cannot really tell if they are glass or plastic. They are abou the same thickness as my regular lenses (plastic). I suppose the important point was that they said they were not scratch resistant. Again…if they can be made scratch resistant…I missed the boat. One other important item not to be overlooked. When you purchase the frames, assuming you buy something like a Ray Ban or other regular sunglass, buy the version with regular sunglass lenses rather than polarized, non-prescription lenses which will cost you a lot more. I think the difference between buying my sunglasses with regular vs polarized non-script lenses was 85. vs 130. Don’t let them sucker you into the non-script polarized unless you may need them later (eg if you buy contacts and might switch lenses). Sorry for all the long-windedness of this..the end result is that I really like the glasses I have and would recommend getting prescription polarized. Scott
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USA Sport makes a plastic polarized lens that allows for a prescription insert. I’ve got two pairs of the frames, one in gold smoke and one a gray/green polarized which lets me move the insert into the appropriate frame. They run about $250 for the first set with prescription insert, then about $80 for just the polarized frame and lense combo. If you have a Price Club/Costco near you, they handle these in their optical departments. If you buy there you can cut the price in half. David< – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says: Hi all, I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses types are too cumbersome. Thanx, — — Mike…… I’ve spent years dealing with this problem. Used clip-ons, space goggles, etc and was always slightly dissatisfied. Also went to route of wearing contacts and then purchasing polarized non-prescriptions but I gave up on the contacts. My solution was to finally spend the money to purchase polarized/prescriptions and I’ve been thrilled with the results. I do a lot of fly fishing and these things can really let me see all the details. Some suggestions: I believe Cabelas (and others) do carry frames and will allow you to order prescription lenses but I don’t know if I like this idea. Any decent optical shop can order polarized lenses for you but they don’t come cheap. MAJOR CONCERN: keep in mind that you can use any "optical quality" frame to hold your lenses. This means they must have screws that open the frame to allow the lense placement. YOU CANNOT use frames that "pop" lenses into a nylon frame. I mention this because I had a pair of Ray Ban Cats (nylon frame) and they could not put polarized lenses into them…the polarizing filter is laminated or sandwiched within the rest of the lense and the fear is that by popping the lense into the frame you will de-laminate the lense. I purchase a pair of Ray Ban frames (outdoorsmen, pilot-style) of optical quality and then ordered polarized lenses in my Rx. I went through Pearle Express but any decent optical place should be able to help you. If you can find frames cheaper elsewhere…do so, but make sure they are optical quality! Pearle just had a so-called "deal" of 50% off all frames…but even with this, they weren’t cheap. My bottom line on this…I debated for years before making this decision but I think it was worth the extra money. MAJOR DRAWBACK: polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps. Scott Maitland E. Chicago, IN. 46312 | "Failure is NOT an option"
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The answer is YES, I’ve been wearing polorized bifocals for years. See your optomitrist<sp? and he should be able to order them. They do cost some but make all the difference on the water. Aloha – bob ooo_
: I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? : — Mike……
away. Can you get prescription bifocals in polorized glasses, plain lense on top and mags down low? That would be perfect for my applications. Bryan Call (719)590-5772 |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone.
says: MAJOR DRAWBACK: polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps.
I think that the polarizing mechanism is plastic. I do not think that you can get glass molecules to line up into nice rows to perform filtering to polarize the light. The glass portion of your lens is the prescription portion. The polarizing laminate is plastic. I assume that they can join this laminate to plastic as well as glass corrective lens. I will ask my brother-in-law (optometrist). I would guess that you could even put the scratch resistant coating over the polarizing laminate. — John "fish tremble when they hear my name" Stonick
Hi all, I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses types are too cumbersome. Thanx, — — Mike…… Process Automation Dept. M.C. 2-467 | UUCP:…!UUNET!Inland!Tichenor Inland Steel Co. | Prodigy: WBFC49A 3210 Watling St. | Voice: (219)399-5777 E. Chicago, IN. 46312 | "Failure is NOT an option"
says: Hi all, I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses types are too cumbersome. Thanx, — — Mike……
I’ve spent years dealing with this problem. Used clip-ons, space goggles, etc and was always slightly dissatisfied. Also went to route of wearing contacts and then purchasing polarized non-prescriptions but I gave up on the contacts. My solution was to finally spend the money to purchase polarized/prescriptions and I’ve been thrilled with the results. I do a lot of fly fishing and these things can really let me see all the details. Some suggestions: I believe Cabelas (and others) do carry frames and will allow you to order prescription lenses but I don’t know if I like this idea. Any decent optical shop can order polarized lenses for you but they don’t come cheap. MAJOR CONCERN: keep in mind that you can use any "optical quality" frame to hold your lenses. This means they must have screws that open the frame to allow the lense placement. YOU CANNOT use frames that "pop" lenses into a nylon frame. I mention this because I had a pair of Ray Ban Cats (nylon frame) and they could not put polarized lenses into them…the polarizing filter is laminated or sandwiched within the rest of the lense and the fear is that by popping the lense into the frame you will de-laminate the lense. I purchase a pair of Ray Ban frames (outdoorsmen, pilot-style) of optical quality and then ordered polarized lenses in my Rx. I went through Pearle Express but any decent optical place should be able to help you. If you can find frames cheaper elsewhere…do so, but make sure they are optical quality! Pearle just had a so-called "deal" of 50% off all frames…but even with this, they weren’t cheap. My bottom line on this…I debated for years before making this decision but I think it was worth the extra money. MAJOR DRAWBACK: polarized lenses are heavier (glass) and NOT scratch resistant…after what you’ll pay for them you learn to be very careful. Hope this helps. Scott Maitland – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -E. Chicago, IN. 46312 | "Failure is NOT an option"
: says: : : Hi all, : I was wondering if there is a source for polarized, prescription sunglasses? : I don’t like the clip-on type – poor quality optics, and over-the-glasses : types are too cumbersome. : Thanx, : — : — Mike…… : I’ve spent years dealing with this problem. Used clip-ons, space goggles, etc : My solution was to finally spend the money to purchase polarized/prescriptions : and I’ve been thrilled with the results. I do a lot of fly fishing and these : things can really let me see all the details. I don’t wear prescrition glasses but do take magnifiers with me on the water. As I get older, I find that focusing up close (tying flys and tying the darn #24s on a 7X tipit) has become a problem. The magnifiers solve the problem but prevent you from seeing anything beyond a foot away. Can you get prescription bifocals in polorized glasses, plain lense on top and mags down low? That would be perfect for my applications. Remember: Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death. It is much more important than that! Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you get rid of him on weekends. Bryan Call (719)590-5772 |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone. Hewlett-Packard Co. | But then, I’ve never let that stop me before. P.O. BOX 2197 | Many men go fishing all their lives without Colorado Springs, Co 80901| knowing that it is not fish they are after.