Trip Report – Ashland VA

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This is now the third sniper incident where we have been on the road and in close proximity when the shooting occurred.   — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

I was thinking about you when they first reported the age of the victim as 60.  Then they changed it to 37 and knew it couldn’t be you.  :-)  Glad all is well. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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I fished Lynnhaven Inlet yesterday morning in the early hours.  Speckled Trout were doing pretty well on the falling tide.  I couldn’t get close enough to the bridge to fish the pilings for stripers but saw the spinfishing pluggers catch several in the 6 – 10 lb. range.  After a shower and breakfast D. and I met up with friends for an afternoon of live theater then on to a marvelous dinner at Fellini’s of Norfolk.  Most of this is relatively unremarkable but on the way home we passed the Ashland Va. exit about 9:30.  We saw the south bound lanes of I-95 blocked and thought there was a traffic accident.  About 5 miles northbound on I-95 the traffic was at a stop.  Checking the radio we learned of the shooting in Ashland just an hour before.  This is now the third sniper incident where we have been on the road and in close proximity when the shooting occurred.  After a 4 hour wait while the interstate was blocked, traffic was released and we headed home. I have eaten at that Pondorosa a number of times, particularly when visiting Greentop Sporting Goods just down Rt. 1.  Greentops had the largest selection of fly fishing material for quite a distance until some new shops opened in the past couple of years.  It is interesting to note, that during the long wait on the interstate, there was no sense of motorists being disgruntled, frieghtened, or impatient.  There seemed to be 100% support for the law inforcement efforts to put an end to this sorry SOB.  I have become as prepared as I can to react should it ever become possible to respond in line of sight to this cowardly piece of shit. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Making a Vest

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Anyone here every made a vest? None of the vests I’ve owned have the right sized pockets in the right places.  The one I have now is close to what I want. I was thinking about taking it apart and using it as a pattern and then making the changes I want. I’ve made a tent, sleeping bag and a down vest in the past, but they were made from kits. Willi

My wife Kate, is currently making one for my son Brandon.  She got a pattern from the sewing shop, and is using my Colombia as an inspiration for modifications to the pattern (like mesh and grommet on the pockets, etc.). She is also using Supplex instead of the cotton material the pattern spec’d.  I thought it would be a better idea for drying. HTH, Brian

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They don’t scream as loud as flies do. Hm…..sort of makes me wonder about the ethics of amputating limbs from captive trees.  I don’t suppose anyone out there has an opinion on this do they?

– Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                          Tom McGuane

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Willi, I have designed several fly fishing vests/shirts (not commercially, but for myself). I did the "engineering", my poor wife the sewing. One tip I have is to carefully consider how the load will be carried and distributed after the pockets are filled. If there is too much weight in the pockets in the front, the vest pulls down in front around your neck…very uncomfortable.

I have struggled for years to find a vest I liked. Bob’s point about a loaded vest digging into the back of your neck is quite true. Why do the makers invariably cut the necks of vests so high? Why do they put collars on the bloody things? Vest are supposed to be load carrying. It’s what they’re for. Moreover, the front bottom pockets are where most people want to carry stuff. It seems that very few vest manufacturers have grasped this fundamental design requirement. Some years ago I bought a Columbia Henry’s Fork vest (remember those bloody irritating adverts about ‘Ma’ knowing best and kicking arse if things weren’t just right, etc.). It cost a fortune having it shipped from the US, paying VAT and duty, etc. That bastard always left me with a sore, stiff neck. The Velcro on the pocket flaps matched nicely when the vest was hanging flat and empty in the closet, but didn’t when anything even slightly fat was put into the pockets. The following are my tips to any would be vest designer/maker, based on years of disappointment. 1. Go for fewer, better designed pockets, especially the big ones on the front bottom. Resist the temptation to include as many pockets as possible. More is NOT better! 2. Cut the neck low. 3. Make sure the pocket closures are designed for FILLED pockets. 4. Choose a material that is light, tough and strong and QUICK DRYING, rather than waterproof. 5. Use all plastic zippers (A friend recently gave me his old Sage ‘Strap vest’. It had been used in the sea and the YKK metal zippers had corroded badly). 6. Unless you really spend a lot of time wading very deep,  longer vests are more comfortable to wear: you feel less like Dolly Parton wearing them. My penny’orth Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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6. Unless you really spend a lot of time wading very deep,  longer vests are more comfortable to wear: you feel less like Dolly Parton wearing them.

I have no choice about what kind of vest I get.  I have to get the short vest or it will go past my massive ass.  I’m sorter than the other guy. However, I’m sure short men or ladies also need the short vest due to physical stature.  Very unlike sex, longer is not always better. Vern

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…I don’t remember the pattern number but if you have trouble finding it I believe I still have it around somewhere and can look it up….

Just did an on line search and came up with the following.  This is the pattern I used.  #2198- men’s sport vest. http://www.kwiksew.com/Patterns/_Cat_North/Frame.htm Good luck!

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What has ROFF turned into!?!?  Some sort of girly-man group?  Let’s all get out our needles and thread now! ;-)

It’s a balance thing Jon.  This Saturday I plan to take Becky out in the fields and teach her to kick shit.  Sunday we bake bread and do the Trick or Treat thing.  The next weekend is devoted to killing things and then we move on to bonsai.  :)

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: What has ROFF turned into!?!?  Some sort of girly-man group?  Let’s all : get out our needles and thread now! : : ;-) : It’s a balance thing Jon.  This Saturday I plan to take Becky out in the fields and teach her to : kick shit.  Sunday we bake bread and do the Trick or Treat thing.  The next weekend is devoted to : killing things and then we move on to bonsai.  :) In my case: bonsai = killing things (poor little tree never had a fighting chance we me wielding the clippers)

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In my case: bonsai = killing things (poor little tree never had a fighting chance we me wielding the clippers)

Hm…..sort of makes me wonder about the ethics of amputating limbs from captive trees.  I don’t suppose anyone out there has an opinion on this do they?

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Hm…..sort of makes me wonder about the ethics of amputating limbs from captive trees.  I don’t suppose anyone out there has an opinion on this do they?

Depends on if you eat the limb or not. — Charlie…

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: What has ROFF turned into!?!?  Some sort of girly-man group?  Let’s all : get out our needles and thread now!

Really…we gonna fish or we gonna sew ? (Mine has darts !) — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Anyone here every made a vest? None of the vests I’ve owned have the right sized pockets in the right places.  The one I have now is close to what I want. I was thinking about taking it apart and using it as a pattern and then making the changes I want. I’ve made a tent, sleeping bag and a down vest in the past, but they were made from kits. Willi

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Willi, I made a vest.  I always wanted one made from Blue Denim, sort of like a Levi Denim Jacket without sleeves.  I just used a vest I had and drew a pattern on some paper.  Then I laid out the things I wanted to carry and figured out the places and size for the pockets. The pockets all have Velcro closures.  It came out good and I have worn it for years.  I also made a tent, it was a lot of fun. Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Anyone here every made a vest? None of the vests I’ve owned have the right sized pockets in the right places.  The one I have now is close to what I want. I was thinking about taking it apart and using it as a pattern and then making the changes I want. I’ve made a tent, sleeping bag and a down vest in the past, but they were made from kits. Willi

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Somehow I had a feeling Ernie was going to answer saying he’d made his own vest. My hat goes off to you. Steve Zimmerman

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Willi, I made a vest Ernie Harrison

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Anyone here every made a vest? None of the vests I’ve owned have the right sized pockets in the right places.  The one I have now is close to what I want. I was thinking about taking it apart and using it as a pattern and then making the changes I want. I’ve made a tent, sleeping bag and a down vest in the past, but they were made from kits. Willi

I made several vests. I was ultimately satisfied with none of them  although my brother and a couple of other people still use them :) ). I went back to a custom made fishing jacket. With far too many pockets ! :) TL MC

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Anyone here every made a vest? None of the vests I’ve owned have the right sized pockets in the right places.

I made a vest while a grad student; I was too poor to buy one.  That was about 1956.  I used it till 1996.   It was still in good condition but I decided to treat myself to a new one. The trick is to plan ahead very carefully, so that you can sew the pockets on the inside the and outside without  interference. vince norris  The one I have now is close to – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -what I want. I was thinking about taking it apart and using it as a pattern and then making the changes I want. I’ve made a tent, sleeping bag and a down vest in the past, but they were made from kits. Willi

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Willi, I have designed several fly fishing vests/shirts (not commercially, but for myself). I did the "engineering", my poor wife the sewing. One tip I have is to carefully consider how the load will be carried and distributed after the pockets are filled. If there is too much weight in the pockets in the front, the vest pulls down in front around your neck…very uncomfortable. Also, it can be a challenge getting the best waterproof materials. Good luck. Bob Elliott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Anyone here every made a vest? None of the vests I’ve owned have the right sized pockets in the right places.  The one I have now is close to what I want. I was thinking about taking it apart and using it as a pattern and then making the changes I want. I’ve made a tent, sleeping bag and a down vest in the past, but they were made from kits. Willi

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Anyone here every made a vest? None of the vests I’ve owned have the right sized pockets in the right places.  The one I have now is close to what I want. I was thinking about taking it apart and using it as a pattern and then making the changes I want. I’ve made a tent, sleeping bag and a down vest in the past, but they were made from kits.

Willi; I have made several vests using a Kwik Sew pattern.  The pattern is for a general purpose vest, not specifically for fishing.  But if you’re good enough with a sewing machine to make your own you won’t have any trouble modifying it to suit your needs.  I use my vest for hunting so the pockets outlined in the pattern are sufficient for my needs.  It won’t be much trouble to add a few more if you like.  this pattern is also too long for a good fishing vest but again, it should be easy enough to shorten.  I don’t remember the pattern number but if you have trouble finding it I believe I still have it around somewhere and can look it up.

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Yeah Charlie, but it was before she was famous. :-) Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Somehow I had a feeling Ernie was going to answer saying he’d made his own vest. My hat goes off to you. Hell, Ernie made Martha Stewart once<g. — Charlie…

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Wolfgang Siebeneich schrieb:  I vote we keep the gentleman from North Carolina and lose you.  Seconds? Seconded !  ( average sixty to the minute ! ).

I vote we keep the gentleman from North Carolina and Wayno too !! — Ken Fortenberry

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Moreover, Wayne amuses me and a lot of others on this NG.  You don’t. Chris W. doesn’t.  Mr. Nardini doesn’t.  I vote we keep the gentleman from North Carolina and lose you.  Seconds?

Seconded !  ( average sixty to the minute ! ). TL MC

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I vote we keep the gentleman from North Carolina and Wayno too !!

Uh oh!  Did I get it wrong?  Wait, let me think a gentleman?

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Moreover, Wayne amuses me and a lot of others on this NG.  You don’t. Chris W. doesn’t.  Mr. Nardini doesn’t.  I vote we keep the gentleman from North Carolina and lose you.  Seconds?

Here! babob

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Uh oh!  Did I get it wrong?  Wait, let me think a gentleman?

Yes, my name is E. Gaduair, but I prefer that you not refer to me as EGAD!! And could someone tell me just what the Germans have done to piss-off you folks. Opie in NC

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Uh oh!  Did I get it wrong?  Wait, let me think a gentleman? Yes, my name is E. Gaduair, but I prefer that you not refer to me as EGAD!! And could someone tell me just what the Germans have done to piss-off you folks. Opie in NC

Tut mir ausserordentlich leid, aber ich habe kein Wort verstanden. TL MC

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It’s all very clear to me now! NC Opie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tut mir ausserordentlich leid, aber ich habe kein Wort verstanden. TL MC

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Another person completely at a loss on the concept of News Groups. Wayno, numbnuts, these are not porno news groups and porno, or any other non-germaine posts, don’t belong here. You childish remarks prove your ignorance. Perhaps you need to take remedial Internet training as you are still way-fuzzy on the concept.

News Groups.  Public fora, are they not?  Seems to suggest that ANYONE is free to post.  Even some dumbass peddling his porn.  Everyone else, on the other hand, is free to whip his naked ass back where he came from or simply ignore him.  Or ignore Mr. Harrison for that matter.  Or you.  Or me. So, what’s germane?  Ignore everything that’s not strictly about fly fishing on this NG and you don’t have a great deal left to read.  Are your insults germane?  Why are they more germane than Mr. Harrison’s?  Wayne has posted a great deal of welcome information on these pages.  Has Chris W.?  Has Mr. Nardini?  Have you, Bobby? Moreover, Wayne amuses me and a lot of others on this NG.  You don’t.  Chris W. doesn’t.  Mr. Nardini doesn’t.  I vote we keep the gentleman from North Carolina and lose you.  Seconds?

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[deleted]  Another person completely at a loss on the concept of News Groups. Wayno, numbnuts, these are not porno news groups and porno, or any other non-germaine posts, don’t belong here. You childish remarks prove your ignorance. Perhaps you need to take remedial Internet training as you are still way-fuzzy on the concept.

You mean like your (and mine) crossposted double-drivel ? Thanks for the NG lesson Robert ! — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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wayno "the professor" relates: <<finally, let me close with a few more childish remarks:  bite me, robbie baby; and, for good measure, "na na nah na na naahh".         you are now free to continue your graduate level studies in anal retentiveness. roflmao.  what a way to start out the day!  hey, why am i typing all in lower case?   louie

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Here is the individual responsible for this spam- this same person spams this group weekly with various pornography and is a notorious spammer in many other newsgroups. (I tracked the phone number to his websites- then researched the owner of those sites): His name is Jerry Nardini. Here are his most recent addresses and phone numbers:

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is the individual responsible for this spam- this same person spams this group weekly with various pornography and is a notorious spammer in many other newsgroups. (I tracked the phone number to his websites- then researched the owner of those sites): His name is Jerry Nardini. Here are his most recent addresses and phone numbers:         gosh, chris, thanks for insulating me from evil.         now, do you think you could use this info to get jerry to drop the charges to a half a buck per minute?         roff is darwinian, chris, baby.  he won’t survive.  can you dig it? wayno

  Another person completely at a loss on the concept of News Groups. Wayno, numbnuts, these are not porno news groups and porno, or any other non-germaine posts, don’t belong here. You childish remarks prove your ignorance. Perhaps you need to take remedial Internet training as you are still way-fuzzy on the concept.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         gosh, chris, thanks for insulating me from evil.         now, do you think you could use this info to get jerry to drop the charges to a half a buck per minute?         roff is darwinian, chris, baby.  he won’t survive.  can you dig it? wayno  Another person completely at a loss on the concept of News Groups. Wayno, numbnuts, these are not porno news groups and porno, or any other non-germaine posts, don’t belong here. You childish remarks prove your ignorance. Perhaps you need to take remedial Internet training as you are still way-fuzzy on the concept.

        what you need is a good cyber ass whipping, which i will happily provide.         you also need some help with your grammar and spelling.         finally, let me close with a few more childish remarks:  bite me, robbie baby; and, for good measure, "na na nah na na naahh".         you are now free to continue your graduate level studies in anal retentiveness.         wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Bamboo Spam Stops NOW!

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George, also help me. when no one else did. I put up a post. (no one answered) George replied on a private E-mail.  and I thank you again. George keep it up.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hey George All I want to say is that George gave me a break when I was struggling on this newsgroup.  I have only been on a week or so and therefore I am now getting a feel for it. Where were all you guys when I had a query, come on ‘Live And Let Live’ George helped me out and I appreciate that. Stop arguing….Lets Fish Pete Derbyshire, England ______ I want to make this perfectly clear to everyone.  Wayne Chan made the same mistake that I made a few weeks ago.  Mr. Chan is a dear, sweet man and he is a Chinese American who deals in Bamboo.  Mr Chan wrote me a letter and hit the wrong carbon button because the letter was supposed to go to a second party also.  You guessed it, he blew it! Just two minutes ago, I finished explaining to Mr. Wayne Chan his error and how everyone is furious at me (which is all right) but I am concerned about sincere people leaving due to a misunderstanding.  This man, Mr. Wayne Chan, is terribly sorry.  The man is about in tears for all the orders this will cost me and the change in heart regarding my name and place in ROFF. I am NOT a spammer and neither is Mr. Chan.  Two like errors have occurred and shit happens in life.  I will go so far as to say if there is anyone in this world that wants me to pay for a week’s worth of their ROFF time because of any spams resulting from this one time error, I will pay it.  I will be responsible.  Just figure out how many minutes X the rate and I will cover any hardship anyone in ROFF has suffered.  I can’t do any better then that. I would like to also state to this beautiful group that I will not tolerate anyone trying to black mail this group or this person. Some of you have known me my entire fly fishing career.  I don’t lie and I don’t do mean things.  We all make errors.  But we are surrounded by individuals that envy us and who want to destroy us.  This is the time for all of us to come together. I want to tell everyone in public here that I am not the bad guy here and that I do not want Mike Connor or anyone to leave this wonderful chat room.  There is too much history surrounding us.  Your real enemy is Ken Fortenberry and his plant in this group.  Stop and think ladies and gentlemen.  Do your all really think I would do such a thing to hurt anyone here?  Who is the new blood that arrived recently that suddenly, we have these kinds of problems? Mike, I love you, we all love you.  Don’t leave.  None of us here did this too you.  How could we?  Why would we want too? Anyone that wants to talk to me personally, may call me collect in the next six hours.  I’ll pay for the phone bill.  Everyone that is, except Ken Fortenberry. All of this is bullshit, and no one here is perpetuating it.  Believe this.  I am a friend.  If you don’t believe that, then anyone who says they won’t use my products because they believe I’m doing this can go to hell.  I will not admit to something I am not guilty of.  I am innocent.  I deserve the benefit of the doubt. Sincerely, George Gehrke/American Sportsman (Now excuse me for about a half hour because I’m going to talk to my attorney about stalkers and black mailers) —

Economical Outfit

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Sorry, I forgot to mention the price and ordering number for the outfit below, it is $39.97 and order # D8C-26617.  They also have a couple of fly fishing vests, a 9 pocket mesh for $24.97 and a 17 pocket classic for 29.97. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO http://users.ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just saw this in the Sportsman’s Guide catalog for you guys that are looking for a cheap outfit to learn to fly fish or teach you son flyfishing.  The toll free ordering number is 1-800-888-3006.. 6/7 weight 8 foot Martin 8067C fiberglass fly rod Martin 6355 reel WF6F Line 100 yards of backing 7 1/2 foot tapered leader 4 pound test tippet — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO http://users.ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS

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I just saw this in the Sportsman’s Guide catalog for you guys that are looking for a cheap outfit to learn to fly fish or teach you son flyfishing.  The toll free ordering number is 1-800-888-3006.. 6/7 weight 8 foot Martin 8067C fiberglass fly rod Martin 6355 reel WF6F Line 100 yards of backing 7 1/2 foot tapered leader 4 pound test tippet — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO http://users.ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS

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Nut Grass Problem!!

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I re-tilled and seeded my lawn this spring with Yuma a hybrid Bermda grass. Just now starting to have a good solid growth of new grass, but also have an over abundance of nut grass. Anyone have advice on how to get rid of nut rog

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I re-tilled and seeded my lawn this spring with Yuma a hybrid Bermda grass. Just now starting to have a good solid growth of new grass, but also have an over abundance of nut grass. Anyone have advice on how to get rid of nut rog

  If this is the same thing I’ve got here in NC it’s the worst weed going.  Nodules distributed along little thin roots, so pulling it out just breaks the root and makes more plants.  I’ve tried RoundUp painted carefully along the grass blades or dripped into the crown with no success.  I’m told it doesn’t get past the first nodule.  The only thing I’ve found to do is lift up the top several inches of soil and dispose of it (where?).  Obviously that has its limitations. — Lloyd R. Fortney ….. http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney physics, research, teaching, photography, flower gardening, travel, and fly fishing

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Can someone describe what nutgrass looks like?? thanks Timothy B. Dyeson, PhD, LMSW University of North Texas Department of Applied Gerontology Minority Aging Research Institute www.unt.edu/depts/mari/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I re-tilled and seeded my lawn this spring with Yuma a hybrid Bermda grass. Just now starting to have a good solid growth of new grass, but also have an over abundance of nut grass. Anyone have advice on how to get rid of nut rog   If this is the same thing I’ve got here in NC it’s the worst weed going.  Nodules distributed along little thin roots, so pulling it out just breaks the root and makes more plants.  I’ve tried RoundUp painted carefully along the grass blades or dripped into the crown with no success.  I’m told it doesn’t get past the first nodule.  The only thing I’ve found to do is lift up the top several inches of soil and dispose of it (where?).  Obviously that has its limitations. — Lloyd R. Fortney ….. http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney physics, research, teaching, photography, flower gardening, travel, and fly fishing

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I’ve got the same problem — who doesn’t?! How about nuking the whole yard and starting over????  <g http://members.aol.com/wilona1/index.html Pages updated June 6, 1997 – NEW:  Handmade Baby Afghans!!! Gardening – Genealogy – Newsletter – Links

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I’ve got the same problem — who doesn’t?! How about nuking the whole yard and starting over????  <g http://members.aol.com/wilona1/index.html Pages updated June 6, 1997 – NEW:  Handmade Baby Afghans!!! Gardening – Genealogy – Newsletter – Links

Try a product called Image.  Also there is one called Manage. You can also use MSMA.  If you pull it make sure you loosen the soil that will give you  a better chance of getting the nutlet out of the ground.  The nuts grow out and down.

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Nut grass is also a good indicator plant of other cultural problems Compaction Poor drainage acid soil A long term investment in changing the culture will reduce nut grass – also consider a shrub/mulch planting.

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Can someone describe what nutgrass looks like?? thanks

  What I call nutgrass is a medium course, mostly vertical grass growing from a crown.  It has maybe 4-6 stiff leaves from each crown and there is usually a colony of at least a couple of dozen crowns.  They are maybe 1/4" or so wide and up to a foot or more in height if you don’t mow or pull it first.  It easily outgrows my bermuda: a day or two after mowing it will be twice as high as the bermuda.  But underground is where the real problem lies.  I havn’t tried the chemicals mentioned in another reply, but I’m going looking tomorrow. — Lloyd R. Fortney ….. http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney physics, research, teaching, photography, flower gardening, travel, and fly fishing

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This may be the one time that having a cat in your garden could help. My cats just love nut grass and have made it a scarce commodity in my yard. :) Lisa Peterson — Without Trucks, Minnesota Stops! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I re-tilled and seeded my lawn this spring with Yuma a hybrid Bermda grass. Just now starting to have a good solid growth of new grass, but also have an over abundance of nut grass. Anyone have advice on how to get rid of nut rog

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Deer Hair…Dying

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Every year, hunter friends give me deer hides and tails. Is there anyone out there who has successfully dyed deer hair? I would like to end up with vibrant yellow, red, and green. Any help would be greatly appreciated

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In regards to your question, I have been somwhat succesful with dyeing hair. I fyou have some of the under belly, (all white) thats the best to work with. You are able to dye over the natural, but it is not as bright and vivid. I use Rit-Dye and just follow the directions. I dont use any of the acid-dyes, simply because I think it is to complicated. I hope this was of some help. Mike

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Every year, hunter friends give me deer hides and tails. Is there anyone out there who has successfully dyed deer hair? I would like to end up with vibrant yellow, red, and green. Any help would be greatly appreciated

There are no shortcuts.    Step 1. Degrease and clean the hair with Veniard’s degreaser.     Step 2. Bleach the hair with *commercial* hair bleach such as Basic White (the best I’ve used . . . must be purchased through a beauty salon). The over the counter bleaches will simply turn your hair a yellowish brown.    Step 3. Dye with your favorite die. I like Veniard’s for the most intense colors possible. For more eathy colors like greens, browns, straw, etc., Rit is fine.    Tight lines, Ralph Ralph Cutter, California School of Flyfishing. http://www.flyline.com

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Thanks Ralph. Good advice. As usual, there never is an acceptable shortcut to a proper end-product. Unfortunately, I am not at all familiar with the Veniard product line. Any clues as to where I might start looking? Your input much appreciated.

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Every year, hunter friends give me deer hides and tails. Is there anyone out there who has successfully dyed deer hair? I would like to end up with vibrant yellow, red, and green. Any help would be greatly appreciated

Method 1: Home Brew I’ve dyed deer hair yellow, red, green and black using RIT brand LIQUID dyes bought at the grocery with results as good as you can buy, but I can’t call them vibrant. The belly hair takes better than the darker parts. Make sure the hide scrap is clean. I use dishwashing liquid. Mix the dye as strong as you like. Soak scraps in hot solution for about 20 minutes. Make sure to "set" the dye by adding white vinegar to the brew when the color is dark enough. Method 2: Totally Scientific Look to the 3 part series in ‘94 issues of American Angler for a dye-meister’s techniques. The may/june, july/august & september/october issues have William T. Roubal’s techniques for truly vibrant colors with modern dyes, natural dyes, etc. He is supposed to have a book out on the same subject. If you can’t locate back issues drop me e-mail and I’ll Xerox the series and mail it to you. Make big fun. mayfly

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In regards to your question, I have been somwhat succesful with dyeing hair. I fyou have some of the under belly, (all white) thats the best to work with. You are able to dye over the natural, but it is not as bright and vivid. I use Rit-Dye and just follow the directions. I dont use any of the acid-dyes, simply because I think it is to complicated. I hope this was of some help. Mike

Mike, Take a look at A.K. Best’s "Dyeing and Bleaching Natural Fly Tying Materials"  It’s a great book and goes in depth into degreasing etc… Good Luck! Jack

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Does A.K.’s book deal with rit dye or is is all acid dyes? I have read the articles in American Angler(except for the first and last one, cant find those issues) and it seems to complicated for me. I just want some good colors and I think I am abel to get them with the rit-dye method. -Mike

Hi Mike, In addition to Rit dye I also use Veniards. If you can find them their colors are much brighter and vibrant. Good Luck! Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Bluegills On A Fly!

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There is an article in the Long Island Edition of The Fisherman Magazine which, as I understand it, is distributed for several other areas as well on the east coast. I found some interesting tips in the article so I thought I’d pass it along…. HighHooks-n-TightLines,      Jose

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We have a farm pond that’s over-run with gills, I keep a cane pole with a #14 wooly-worm at ready to reduce the numbers, Over the past two years we’ve really improved the fishing there alot.  We ocasionally get one that’s big enough to eat, but they get thrown back. Bob

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I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I           lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions?

Yee!  I use small spider fly, which I will let go with the edge of the current, you will see the splash!  By the way, red is my favorite color in Summer, and spider is easy to tie by yourself don’t waste money! Bill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lines: 12 I too love to flyfish for bluegill.  I lived in the great basin area of the west for 25 years, and only thought that trout were worth flyfishing for. Then I moved to Indiana, bass and bluegill heaven.  I use a 2weight rod and poppers that I make out of foam, cork, or balsa.  The average bluegill in this area  is about 6 inches, but I have caught several bluegill out of a particular lake that have been 12 inches long.  I don’t dream about owning a house on a stream in the west anymore, I dream about owning a small lake that has big bass and bluegill in it. "I am haunted by waters." -Norman Maclean-

Chris, what is the length of the rod? I use to use a 9ft 2wt, but now I use a 10ft 3wt. From the Float Tube of Elmer G. Meiler Somewhere on the Pond of OZ

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I like a black wooly buggerish fly tied out of just black marabou on a #10 3906b (or a reasonable facsimile).  Just tie it in at the bend, wrap the marabou to the eye, tie it off and viola!  A simple bluegill killer.  A small deer hair frog will also take bluegills and bass.  When all else fails, a peacock body with a hungarian partridge hen hackle in front fished wet is also a killer.

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Any black midge or small callabaetis works well.

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   I have literally NEVER cast one of those without catching a bluegill!

Try this on for size for bluegill madness! Same as above for the fly, but try using a three weight rod. A teeny bluegill suddenly feels like a 5 pound monster! Bluegill ho! edwin

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When they are down deeper try a Bully bluegill spider byTerry Wilson, great fly. The bass pond has them or all Terry at 417-777-2467

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I’ve found that the small to middling bluegills are the ones you’ll find hitting anything up top. The really big ones become more solitary and hang out at the lower levels. For these, the best flies by far are nymphs in the 8-12 size range. You’ll probably want to custom-tie some weighted ones with weed guards to get down there quickly, but it’s worth the effort to feel a big dinner-plate sized bluegill turning sideways and pulling with all its might. BTW, the April issue of 8-Wt Journal is, coincidentally, on bluegills. JL 8-Wt Editor

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I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I love to fish for trout, but pound for pound bluegills are one of the most aggressive fresh water fish out!   Is there anyone who know of any big bluegill hot spots in Mississippi! I hear they get up to 1.5 – 3 pounds down there! Greg

There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

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My Friends, I really appreciate everyones respond to my message! It seems like bulegill get a little respect after all! I thought I was one of few who enjoyed catching them! I read everyones message, but I did not hear about any hot fishing spots. I already have a box full of flies ready for this weekend! If there are any lakes or ponds that you suggest let know. Thanks Greg Classic Fly Fisherman Company P.O. Box 4521 Greenville, De 19807-4521 Phone: (302) 764-3236 Fax: (302) 764-5974

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I’ve had great luck catching bluegills using a two fly rig with an Irristible dry fly as a strike indicator and a Silver Hilton as the trailer.  The silver hilton is a steelhead pattern which I tie on a size 12 79580 Mustad sized right for the small mouths of our bluegills. Why this miniature Silver Hilton pattern drives the bluegills nuts is a mystery to me, maybe the action of the split wing, maybe the size and color imitates some common bug?   In some years, we get heavy infestations of a dusty gray moth we here call ‘millers’ (moth of the ordinary cutworm). In those years, a Hornberg is deadly on bluegills during miller season.

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There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

Two Words: Sneaky Pete.  Available many places (even Orvis!).  Bluegills can’t say no to this guy…. Phil Calvin                                       ‘91 Hawkgt, DoD#242

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: There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be : lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at : them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? For BIG bluegill, try a popper bug .. it will always float (if its wood), and don’t be suprised if a largemouth bass hit it too, or a pickerel for that matter. — pete

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Greg, Yep.  All of the above.  dries, nymps, streamers, wet’s they’ll all catch ‘gills. in early spring – pre-spawn, a small nymph works great, as do woolly worms and smaller woolly buggers.(wooly’s are great all season) During the spawn — wooly’s or just about anything slowly swimming through the spawninb beds.  Humpy’s for dries or small poppers, are a blast when the water is smooth as glass! Jim Elias Blue Grass IA H.Y.M.R.

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There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

The feature that most great bluegill flies have in common is white rubber legs.  Look for the very fine strands; sometimes it is hard to find in fly shops. My favorite fly is a girdle bug:  black chenille body on a long shank nymph hook (size 10 or 12, depending on the fish), white rubber legs and a couple of strands for a tail.  Weight with lead wire, a bead head, or just a split shot on the leader if the water is more than a couple feet deep. Frank Stetzer                        "…a cheerful comrade is better Information and Media Technologies    than a waterproof coat and a Univ Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA         foot-warmer."  Henry Van Dyke,

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: There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be : lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at : them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions?

I have been fly fishing for bluegills for many years now and have settled on two flys: For a dry fly I use the renegade which has hackle front and back to keep it afloat. If they’re not taking the dry,I use a Montana nymph which seems to work on just about any fish. The trick is to find a lake with big bluegills and not like most lakes with lots of but mostly stunted fish!!!!! Anyway, good luck and have fun !!

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I too love to flyfish for bluegill.  I lived in the great basin area of the west for 25 years, and only thought that trout were worth flyfishing for. Then I moved to Indiana, bass and bluegill heaven.  I use a 2weight rod and poppers that I make out of foam, cork, or balsa.  The average bluegill in this area  is about 6 inches, but I have caught several bluegill out of a particular lake that have been 12 inches long.  I don’t dream about owning a house on a stream in the west anymore, I dream about owning a small lake that has big bass and bluegill in it. "I am haunted by waters." -Norman Maclean-

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I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I           lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions?

I’ve been using small #10 yellow popping bugs, the kind that are shaped like a small cigar and have four ruber feet and a small feather tail. the bluegills and crappie have been tearing them up, and i’ve had the ocaisional small large mouth hit them too, but big brim really love’m,. Bill C.

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I own a one acre pond that is full of large bluegills. The oldest are 5 years old and there are plenty of them. Since the second year I have fished the pond almost entirely with a fly rod. Since I release nearly all of them, they have become very educated to my patterns. At one time a wooly bugger could take about everything including the channel cats. Now I have to change patterns all the time. As soon as I find an effective fly, it takes about a week, they just stop biting on it. Then its a trial and error search until I find the right combination. Any suggestions?  I have had great luck with chrinomidge patterns, nymphs, wooly buggers ( olive and black), and limited luck with dry fly patterns. These are smart fish!

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I was just browsing through Wulff on Flyfishing.  He recommends the backwards-tied fly for these smart, educated fish.  Its just the same as a normal pattern, except the hackle & head are at the hook bend.  Lee Wulff opines that its the bend in the hook that is the giveaway to the educated fish and that when the hackle is tied over the bend and hides it, you are one up on the fish.  Also, he suggests that, especially with dry flies, the flotation is better since the hackle floats the heavier portion of the fly (the bend) better. I haven’t tried these "backwards flies" but it might work. Regards, Al Soroka

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I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I love to fish for trout, but pound for pound bluegills are one of the most aggressive fresh water fish out!   Is there anyone who know of any big bluegill hot spots in Mississippi! I hear they get up to 1.5 – 3 pounds down there! Greg

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There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

Just about anything that moves will catch bluegills.  Dry ones are fun just twitch them a bit enough to make a ripple.  Watch the bugs on the water.  The flit about just making ripples, then **WHAM** bluegill will hit it and take it under.  They go for anything that moves though.

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   In my experience, the ONE guaranteed-to-catch-em bluegill fly is one of those tiny little cork/balsa flat-faced poppers, in either yellow or pearl, with rubber legs and a tuft of feather out the back. (I’m talking about the kind that are almost a dime a dozen in bubble packaging at K-Mart!)    I have literally NEVER cast one of those without catching a bluegill!    BTW, I too love to fish for bluegill.  Many days, after fishing with bigger flys for smallmouth, I’ll end the day by tying on one of those little poppers and catching some bluegill.  I find the tiny poppers are a joy to cast with an 8-weight rod as they are virtually weightless on a big tippet, allowing you to really "slice-n-dice" on casts, delicately placing the popper under branches, overhangs, etc.    Ditto on bluegill being great fighters…they’re like the ants of the fish world…super-strong for their size! —         Scott Wilkinson         Montgomery County, Maryland

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I love to fish for trout, but pound for pound bluegills are one of the most aggressive fresh water fish out!   Is there anyone who know of any big bluegill hot spots in Mississippi! I hear they get up to 1.5 – 3 pounds down there! Greg There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

There are a LOT of flies that will work for bluegill and other panfish, but the two best, bar none, are the rubber spider, and the Sneaky Pete popper. The spiders, in sizes 8 to 16, are _absolutely_ the most deadly fly around. The best day I ever had fishing was one in which I caught 200 bluegill in _2_hours_, all on a black rubber spider. It was taking me longer to unhook the fish than it was to catch them! <<grin However, if you want ONLY pan-size panfish, use the Sneaky Pete, size 10 or larger, in chartreuse. Small fish will hit at it, but won’t be able to grab it. Only the larger fish will take it down… and then you’ve got ‘em! Nymphs, dries, and poppers of all types, as well as small streamers, will all work for bluegill… but these two flies are the top producers. — Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |    TesserAct Studios

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Hi out-there ! I’m an fly-fisher from Northern part of Sweden and i’m looking forward to discuss the wonderful waters and wilderness areas that we can enjoy, here round the arctic circle. I hope to read from you ! / A.Ronnback

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(Anders Ronnback,9558,1xxx-xx) writes: I’m an fly-fisher from Northern part of Sweden and i’m looking forward to discuss the wonderful waters and wilderness areas that we can enjoy, here round the arctic circle.

I am curious how northern european water rights work. I know that most waters in the British Isles and France are private, is it the same in northern Scandinavia?. I wonder because the videos of the Alta, for example, show a very sparcely populated terrain ( I know the Alta is in Norway but I assume that there might be simularities in water usage). Thanks for the info. Rodrigo

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(Anders Ronnback,9558,1xxx-xx) writes:

I’m an fly-fisher from Northern part of Sweden and i’m looking forward to discuss the wonderful waters and wilderness areas that we can enjoy, here round the arctic circle. Hi, from a third generation Swede in Seattle.  My family was in Sweden the previous Summer, & although time was short I would have loved to try out some of your Atlantic Salmon fishing.  I had just come from Scotland where I had tried Slamon fishing on Islay. Larry Johnson

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