. . . exactly. And its nice not having to pick the pellets out. An obvious fin/feather combo, without all the noise.
Exactly! <g — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/
. . . exactly. And its nice not having to pick the pellets out. An obvious fin/feather combo, without all the noise. Exactly! <g
And just like fish, you can use parts of one to catch another. Joe F.
Ken, Kevin, Warren… Howdy!! I am @ site #80 in the Mammoth Hot Springs campground….
Richard, Don’t know which you’ll see first but I left a note at your campsite and another at Clave Central letting them know where you are. Clave Central is located at the Eagle Creek Campground. It’s about two miles from Gardiner on the road to Jardine. Coming from Mammoth the road to Jardine is the first right after you cross the Yellowstone. Sorry to have missed you, … Have a GREAT Clave ! — Ken Fortenberry
got it ken…it is now fri evening…i will drop by clave central and look around…..then, its back down to the hot creek, for the evening hot bath…another great day of fishing today.. i took a lot of digital photos…will post later… richard / colorado
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ken, Kevin, Warren… Howdy!! I am @ site #80 in the Mammoth Hot Springs campground…. Richard, Don’t know which you’ll see first but I left a note at your campsite and another at Clave Central letting them know where you are. Clave Central is located at the Eagle Creek Campground. It’s about two miles from Gardiner on the road to Jardine. Coming from Mammoth the road to Jardine is the first right after you cross the Yellowstone. Sorry to have missed you, … Have a GREAT Clave ! — Ken Fortenberry
Dammit! Something’s wrong with my computer – it keeps flashing to some Internet Flyfishing Soap channel… /daytripper (as the world turns) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – got it ken…it is now fri evening…i will drop by clave central and look around…..then, its back down to the hot creek, for the evening hot bath…another great day of fishing today.. i took a lot of digital photos…will post later… richard / colorado Ken, Kevin, Warren… Howdy!! I am @ site #80 in the Mammoth Hot Springs campground…. Richard, Don’t know which you’ll see first but I left a note at your campsite and another at Clave Central letting them know where you are. Clave Central is located at the Eagle Creek Campground. It’s about two miles from Gardiner on the road to Jardine. Coming from Mammoth the road to Jardine is the first right after you cross the Yellowstone. Sorry to have missed you, … Have a GREAT Clave ! — Ken Fortenberry
Just ask Warren about the duck…. giggle…. snort… oh, I can’t hold it any longer! Hahh.hah..hahhh…Jeeez… you think he’ll make fun of the way I fish??… — Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dammit! Something’s wrong with my computer – it keeps flashing to some Internet Flyfishing Soap channel… /daytripper (as the world turns)
Just ask Warren about the duck…. giggle…. snort… oh, I can’t hold it any longer! Hahh.hah..hahhh…Jeeez… you think he’ll make fun of the way I fish??…
Why stop at fish? Why are ducks so special that you can’t catch them? <g Warren
Just ask Warren about the duck…. giggle…. snort… oh, I can’t hold it any longer! Hahh.hah..hahhh…Jeeez… you think he’ll make fun of the way I fish??… Why stop at fish? Why are ducks so special that you can’t catch them? <g Warren
. . . exactly. And its nice not having to pick the pellets out. An obvious fin/feather combo, without all the noise. Dave
Ken, Kevin, Warren… Howdy!! I am @ site #80 in the Mammoth Hot Springs campground….do drop by and let me know the registration desk told me Ken cancelled his frontier cabin reservations…she was not aware of the group staying in a set of cabins…..anyway…I had a great afternoon (thur) session on the Yellowstone River, just above Tower Falls… I am not checking e mail regularly…so, drop by the camp site!!…otherwise, maybe i will run into you guys out on the rivers!!.. hands….then, back up to the campsite.. Regards.. Richard / colorado
attend the clave at that time of the year. It’s *the* busy season for me. Tearfully, please scrub my name from the list….. Walt 
Sorry th hear that you won’t be able to attend due to work. Please don’t forget to send your lovely wife to represent the Winter family. Big Dale
how the hell did wayno get on to yer machine bd? waldo
attend the clave at that time of the year. It’s *the* busy season for me. Tearfully, please scrub my name from the list….. Walt
Sorry th hear that you won’t be able to attend due to work. Please don’t forget to send your lovely wife to represent the Winter family. Big Dale
Sorry th hear that you won’t be able to attend due to work. Please don’t forget to send your lovely wife to represent the Winter family. Big Dale
And Big Dale being the consumate Southern Gentleman that he is will be sure Marie does not lack in frozen alcoholic concoctions with paper umbrellas and all manor of Cajun inspired culinary contrivances. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.
1. Likely dates and number (Wife, SO, kids, etc.) of attendance.
Just me and the dates you suggest, I will be there. 2. Desired "target" (Fresh, Salt, Both, Whatever’s there – also, indicate any interest in "bluewater" offshore game fishing.)
I would love both fresh and salt water, but I have not salt water gear….ummm honey, Richard wants to talk with you…Would it be possible to rent salt water fly equipment or would my 7 weight and old Pflueger work OK? I could get the maid to rinse it out each night for me. 3. If you wish assistance on travel, let me know your location and nearby airports (or ones you can live with).
My closest airport is Portland, Oregon PDX… 4. Contact information.
If I die, send my ashes to my current spouse of 26 years at: (360) 944-7601 5. Where you prefer to stay if you want assistance in this area.
A dirt cheap hotel/motel would be great, but not rented by the hour if you know what I mean… As to where we all go, I think you should decide, Oh Clavemaster. Besides I don’t speak the local language anyway, I will need an interpretor. How do you say "No Budweiser, por favor" in the local tongue. I would love a budget suggestion for motel, car rental (do I need one?), licenses, equipment rental (if applicable), stuff like that… Chris Fanning
The current name is: Crawlin’ in N’Awlins 2000: Toasted on the Coast My suggestions for the name: Mardi Clave Clavi gra
The Fat Clave? Er, is that in Kilobrandos? <G I suspect some atttendees might not like that…. Clave Slogan: "Show us your tips!"
Now that is good! I like it…. Clave Mission Statement: "Sure, we could have chosen any number of world-renowned fly fishing venues, but getting smashed in the Quarter is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity."
Or I could just rewrite "Tubthumper"… "We’ll be drinkin’ And some fishin’ But mainly drinkin’ We’ll fall down, but we’ll get up again, Ain’t no one gonna keep us down…" Wayne Harrison has kindy offered to serve as a "Co-ClaveMeister," This does not suprise me.
It so unnerved me I said yes…<G. Seriously, as I had no experience and limited time, his help is appreciated. Plus, it gives me a scapegoat…<G. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —Steve 2025
Richard, Upon reflection, sadly, thar ain’t no way in hades that I can attend the clave at that time of the year. It’s *the* busy season for me. Tearfully, please scrub my name from the list….. Walt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As it appears this is developing into a shore ’nuff clave, here are some further details. I will be gathering further info, such as specifics on hotels, fishing and general info websites, etc. this week and will keep y’all informed. The current name is: Crawlin’ in N’Awlins 2000: Toasted on the Coast but suggestions are welcome…<G. The dates will be from basically Dec. 1, 2000 until December 8, 2000. The locations will be New Orleans, LA and Biloxi/Gulfport, MS. Wayne Harrison has kindy offred to serve as a "Co-ClaveMeister," and we are asking all interest parties who have not yet done so to email me with the following infomation: 1. Likely dates and number (Wife, SO, kids, etc.) of attendance. 2. Desired "target" (Fresh, Salt, Both, Whatever’s there – also, indicate any interest in "bluewater" offshore game fishing.) 3. If you wish assistance on travel, let me know your location and nearby airports (or ones you can live with). 4. Contact information. 5. Where you prefer to stay if you want assistance in this area. Those wishing to camp on our land may do so, but there will likely be no plumbed water or electric hookups – more on this later – if you wish to camp, PLEASE let me know ASAP. Of course, there are many public campgrounds available, and if we have campers interested and need help here, let me know. Also, if you have budgetary concerns, let me know, and I’ll keep that in mind with recommendations. I had originally thought about half the time in the NO area, and half on the MS coast, with a possible side trip to AL, but the distances are such that it is possible for one to stay in either location and participate (about 1.5 hr. from NO to Gulf Coast) in many of the activities. There are several charter airline companies that offer discount packages to the MS Coast, and several casinos offer them as well, with the Grand Biloxi – Grand Gulfport and Beau Rivage likely offering the most. I will have more info on this as well. Another welcome addition is the participation of the Mississippi Coast Fly Fishers. I have talked to their President, and we will work together to plan at least some group activities. This would allow a larger circle of potential new friends, and attendees to have access to local guides and boats. These are the people I am aware of currently expressing an interest. If you are interested and missing, or added in error, please email me. Walt Winter Wayne Harrison Jeff Miller Tom Brown John Lever (LEEver) Charlie Choc Chris Fanning Frank Reid ? Big Dale ? Those with question marks have expressed an interest via post, but I have not received an email. Please let me know… TC, R
– Walter G. Winter Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://www.crosswinds.net/~brbg/books/brbg-2.html
The current name is: Crawlin’ in N’Awlins 2000: Toasted on the Coast
My suggestions for the name: Mardi Clave Clavi gra Clave Slogan: "Show us your rods!!" or "Show us your tips!" Clave Mission Statement: "Sure, we could have chosen any number of world-renowned fly fishing venues, but getting smashed in the Quarter is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity." Wayne Harrison has kindy offered to serve as a "Co-ClaveMeister,"
This does not suprise me. –Steve 2025
As it appears this is developing into a shore ’nuff clave, here are some further details. I will be gathering further info, such as specifics on hotels, fishing and general info websites, etc. this week and will keep y’all informed. The current name is: Crawlin’ in N’Awlins 2000: Toasted on the Coast but suggestions are welcome…<G. The dates will be from basically Dec. 1, 2000 until December 8, 2000. The locations will be New Orleans, LA and Biloxi/Gulfport, MS. Wayne Harrison has kindy offred to serve as a "Co-ClaveMeister," and we are asking all interest parties who have not yet done so to email me with the following infomation: 1. Likely dates and number (Wife, SO, kids, etc.) of attendance. 2. Desired "target" (Fresh, Salt, Both, Whatever’s there – also, indicate any interest in "bluewater" offshore game fishing.) 3. If you wish assistance on travel, let me know your location and nearby airports (or ones you can live with). 4. Contact information. 5. Where you prefer to stay if you want assistance in this area. Those wishing to camp on our land may do so, but there will likely be no plumbed water or electric hookups – more on this later – if you wish to camp, PLEASE let me know ASAP. Of course, there are many public campgrounds available, and if we have campers interested and need help here, let me know. Also, if you have budgetary concerns, let me know, and I’ll keep that in mind with recommendations. I had originally thought about half the time in the NO area, and half on the MS coast, with a possible side trip to AL, but the distances are such that it is possible for one to stay in either location and participate (about 1.5 hr. from NO to Gulf Coast) in many of the activities. There are several charter airline companies that offer discount packages to the MS Coast, and several casinos offer them as well, with the Grand Biloxi – Grand Gulfport and Beau Rivage likely offering the most. I will have more info on this as well. Another welcome addition is the participation of the Mississippi Coast Fly Fishers. I have talked to their President, and we will work together to plan at least some group activities. This would allow a larger circle of potential new friends, and attendees to have access to local guides and boats. These are the people I am aware of currently expressing an interest. If you are interested and missing, or added in error, please email me. Walt Winter Wayne Harrison Jeff Miller Tom Brown John Lever (LEEver) Charlie Choc Chris Fanning Frank Reid ? Big Dale ? Those with question marks have expressed an interest via post, but I have not received an email. Please let me know… TC, R
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I’ve bought some stuff from West Marine and had good service. Their catalog is excellent, although it leans more heavily to boating and less to fishing. Still, it’s a catalog worth having, it makes quite a wish book. Their prices are very competitive. Their phone is 1-800-BOATING says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – switch to E&B , they are top-notch Excuse my ignorance, who is E&B?? Do you have an 800 number to order catalog?? Thanks E&B is now West Marine. They bought them last year.
Cabelas is ok with me – I had a pair of neoprenes that had a slight leak in one foot. I contacted them and received the information on sending it back. They promptly sent a replacement pair which i’ve been using this Summer with zero problems. Other products are # 1 as well – I feel their service is as good as anyone can offer! Keith Piercey
Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike
I haven’t had any problems in the 10 + years I’ve been dealing with them !!
I recently broke a fish eagle FT fly rod that I bought as blank from CAbelas..the rod was two year old and they not only replaced my blank but the handle, guides and reel seat….all for nothing. I talked to one of thier area speciallists in Sidney and after he recieved my rod he called me and worked out the details of what I needed. Needless to say I’m totally impressed and I’m going to be a customer for another ten years at least. Rocky Smith
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend of mine called Cabela’s to order a drift sock (otherwise known as a "sea anchor"). The customer service rep asked him, "and how many pairs would you like?" You figure the $40 price tag would have tipped her off! Maybe she thought they were just Really Good Socks. :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!
Tom,I too have had many totally satisfactory experiences with Cabela’s. Some three years ago I picked up two disparate hobbies – blackpowder shooting and flyfishing. Through many orders Cabela’s has supplied all my black powder needs and most of the flyfishing gear. All orders were by phone and I found always the sales folk tolerant of my ignorance in both disciplines and helpful in making selections. On one occasion involving a multipiece order they sent a fly jacket instead of a fly line… they made the switch promptly and without cost to me. I suspect there are other providers just as good but I certainly can find no fault with Cabela’s. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Mike, No, every experience I’ve had with them was of the first order. Tom <snip Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be goin downhill? any problems with them? Mike
As much as we should ALWAYS support the local tackle guys, there’s just some things that you can’t buy were you are. Take me, for instance. I use a fair amount of bass baits for Pike, but you can’t get Lunker City Plastics, flipping jigs, or spinnerbaits ups here.
Where in Canada are you? Fishing Plus in Etobicoke has a fantastic selection of soft plastics (Lunker City, Zoom, Gambler, Yamamoto, Phenix, Berkley, Guido Hibdon’s brand, Don Iovino’s brand, and more). Lots of spinnerbaits, including the Terminator, Stanley, Bulldog, Strike King, Pro-Line, etcetcetc. Lots and lots of flipping jigs too. Great service, excellent and most importantly *informed* advice too. Peace, Charles
A friend of mine called Cabela’s to order a drift sock (otherwise known as a "sea anchor"). The customer service rep asked him, "and how many pairs would you like?" You figure the $40 price tag would have tipped her off!
Maybe she thought they were just Really Good Socks. :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!
Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike
My wife ordered me a bunch stuff for Christmas from Cabela’s and she was _extremely_ frustrated with the service. They were really uncooperative and did not fill orders completely or handle returns properly. When she threatened to take her business elsewhere, the response was apathetic and she ended up cancelling all her outstanding business and purchased the items through Bass Pro (who she felt did a superb job). Fortunately, she starts shopping in like September, so Christmas wasn’t ruined. 
I was really shocked at what a shitty job Cabela’s did on her stuff. Now I only buy from them when I get a chance (about once a year) to actually go to their store in Sidney. For mail order I’ve been able to get the items I need from BPS and Netcraft.
Do you mean Gander Mountain’s mail order business? Because we have at least 3 Gander Mountain stores here in Michigan. I noticed the mail order business went away shortly after opening the stores. Mushrat Unfortunately, Cabela’s gobbled up Gander Mountain. I guess now it’s Cabela’s vs. Bass Pro. Time to do business with the local guys! Bob Scott
As much as we should ALWAYS support the local tackle guys, there’s just some things that you can’t buy were you are. Take me, for instance. I use a fair amount of bass baits for Pike, but you can’t get Lunker City Plastics, flipping jigs, or spinnerbaits ups here. As for the Cabela vs Bass Pro Shops, if you can fish for Muskies or Pike, try Reeds for a cat. I’ve been fairly pleased so far. Also, here in Canada, there is the Fishing Hole Cat and the Whole Sale Sports Cat.
A friend of mine called Cabela’s to order a drift sock (otherwise known as a "sea anchor"). The customer service rep asked him, "and how many pairs would you like?" You figure the $40 price tag would have tipped her off! Pete C
FWIW, we have had the same good service for many years, with no glitches. We get about two orders/year. SL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? <snip out of the items I had originally ordered. Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike In May, two items out of about a 10 item order were wrong – and not even close. I got two fleece jackets instead of two sets of rain gear pants. First time in many years of Cabela’s orders that that has happened. I immediately returned them with the appropriate form, requesting the original items. Weeks passed. I finally called, and by then they were out of the items I had originally ordered. Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner
I have never (I try occasionally every couple of years) had quick response to an exchange request. The only way I have found that works is to reorder what I want and return what I didn’t want for credit. I buy almsot nothing from Cabela’s anymore because they are so bad about listing sizes, weights, and strengths. Bass Pro is much better. Erik from SF/Boston
I haven’t bought too much from Cabela’s in the past but this year I ordered a lot of stuff in several orders. I had numerous conversations with "product specialists" , sometimes for my ignorance on superlines or more info about a rod or lure and I was always satisfied. When it was a dimension not in the catalog they would run off and get me an immediate answer. I returned about four things for exchange or refund for reasons varied from broken to not what I expected. Always prompt and no problems. So far I like Cabela’s. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill?
Now that they’ve grown HUGE, I would imagine this kind of thing would start to be a problem. As Cabela’s got bigger and bigger, I liked doing business with Gander Mountain a lot more. The no.2 guy is usually trying harder, and customer service is a sure-fire way to pick up repeat customers. Unfortunately, Cabela’s gobbled up Gander Mountain. I guess now it’s Cabela’s vs. Bass Pro. Time to do business with the local guys! Bob Scott
switch to E&B , they are top-notch – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike
Dear Mike, No, every experience I’ve had with them was of the first order. Recently I unpacked an anchor rode I had purchased nine months ago, but had not used. I found a flaw in the rope, called them, they offered to replace the rode without hesitation. That’s beyond the call of duty. Take care, Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FWIW, we have had the same good service for many years, with no glitches. We get about two orders/year. SL Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? <snip out of the items I had originally ordered. Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner
what is cabela’s address or phone so i can get a catalog please thanks
E&B is now West Marine. They bought them last year.
West Marine is primarily a boating store so you might not find the clerks as knowledgable as those of Cabela’s, as well as having a smaller selection, their prices on lures and such are outrageous. Walmart is much more affordable. Marcus Ward 505 US 7569 "Voodoo" International 505 Class Yacht Racing Association Central Missouri State University – Department of Psychology http://www.throb.net/mward/
Go to: http://www.cabelas.com for a free catalog. BTW I have been buying from them for four years and they treat me like a valuable customer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FWIW, we have had the same good service for many years, with no glitches. We get about two orders/year. SL Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? <snip out of the items I had originally ordered. Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner what is cabela’s address or phone so i can get a catalog please thanks
what is cabela’s address or phone so i can get a catalog please thanks
www.cabelas.com or (800) 237-4444. I’ve had good service frim them so far.
Do you mean Gander Mountain’s mail order business? Because we have at least 3 Gander Mountain stores here in Michigan. I noticed the mail order business went away shortly after opening the stores. Mushrat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Unfortunately, Cabela’s gobbled up Gander Mountain. I guess now it’s Cabela’s vs. Bass Pro. Time to do business with the local guys! Bob Scott
<snip Time to do business with the local guys! Bob Scott
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Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them?
I haven’t ordered from them since about February, but every time I’ve had to deal with their customer service people I’ve been happy. Last fall I placed an order and when it showed up the box had been damaged and most of the stuff was gone. They replaced everything, no problem. In February I ordered some peacock sword from them, and the catalog said there were six swords per package. When it showed up there were only four swords in the package. I called and they sent another package (of four swords 
to make it right. So I’m pretty happy when it comes to dealing with Cabelas. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!
Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike
Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike
In May, two items out of about a 10 item order were wrong – and not even close. I got two fleece jackets instead of two sets of rain gear pants. First time in many years of Cabela’s orders that that has happened. I immediately returned them with the appropriate form, requesting the original items. Weeks passed. I finally called, and by then they were out of the items I had originally ordered. Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner
I have been very interested in the "Dropping deer in their tracks" thread, even though I haven’t dropped a standing deer instantly. However, one time I was lucky enough to shoot a muley laying in his bed. He just lowered his head to the ground at the 250 yd. shot and expired. Of course, he was completely at rest and unaware of my presence. Both lungs were penetrated and the top of the heart. I’ve rarely been able to recover a 30.06 bullet from a deer, but the bullet was laying on the ground underneath the juniper chaff on the other side of the deer’s bed. I was able to find it by following the furrow in the chaff. I would be very interested to hear of any similar results. Incidently, the 3×5 buck was in full velvet, which is very unusual in Oregon’s rifle season (early October). Turns out, his scrotum was empty. Was this technically a "cactus buck" that never would have shed his antlers? Thanks in advance for any responses, Ed in Oregon
one time I was lucky enough to shoot a muley laying in his bed. He just lowered his head to the ground at the 250 yd. shot and expired. Of course, he was completely at rest and unaware of my presence. Both lungs were penetrated and the top of the heart. I’ve rarely been able to recover a 30.06 bullet from a deer, but the bullet was laying on the ground underneath the juniper chaff on the other side of the deer’s bed. I was able to find it by following the furrow in the chaff. I would be very interested to hear of any similar results.
Season before last, I hunted Nevada for mule deer and was able to stalk within 110 yards of a sleeping buck in completely open country. The strong, noisy wind covered any noise I made and kept my scent away from the buck’s bed. This buck had his head on the ground, fast asleep. I’ve never seen this before. Since I had as much time as I wanted to shoot, and there was no escape for the buck if I missed my mark, I shot him in the spine about six inches below the skull and he never moved–until a minute later when he gave one reflexive kick of a hind leg. I recovered the Fail Safe bullet from my 7 Mag in the soil behind the buck. The petals had broken off, but the exit wound was a square hole indicating the petals had broken off in the dirt. The bullet retained 85% of its weight, but it’s nominal diameter was caliber size with the petals off. Most mulies I’ve shot in their bed had their heads up and were awake if not alert. Most tumble or roll then stand and run a bit. These, of course, were shot in the chest. Many more, magically disappear sometime during my stalk. I’ve a good tale of one I shot in his bed (a little too far away) on my CD-ROM that I won’t tell here. Which reminds me… …I recently swapped one of my CDs for one on fly fishing with a guy who was selling it. I must say I was very disappointed in his product. It had no sound or animation, few graphics, little interactivity, and not as much info as I had hoped, and only ran on Windows–not a good advertisement for CDs in general. But it made me feel good about my effort. :-) Get the CD-ROM "Tim Calvin’s Hunting the West" Call me to order with VISA/MC, 1-800-215-9045. Price: $59.95 plus $1.24 postage. CA residents must add $4.35 tax.
I have been very interested in the "Dropping deer in their tracks" thread, even though I haven’t dropped a standing deer instantly.
{snip an interesting story} … I would be very interested to hear of any similar results.
I was hunting in around Mt Adams, one time, when I noticed fresh tracks entering a laurel thicket. I circled the thicket (about a 1/2 mile trek) and did not see the tracks leave the thicket. I followed the tracks into the thicket and found him sound asleep in the center. He looked so pretty, I sat down and watched him for awhile. Finally, I reached over my head and broke a branch. I think that deer turned full around and started running while still in mid-air. I was laughing so hard I couldn’t have shot him, even if I’d wanted to. It took me two more days to find a deer willing to go home with me. ;-) Bob **** Armed and Safe(tm) **** **** www.ivic.net/~ecr ****
: I just located a 9 ft rod and the only ID is South Bend. There is no : line wt info on the rod. It has the original cloth bag and alum case. : Does anyone know anything about these rods other than made in Indiana? Seen quite a few of those rods come into the shop. They are usally not worth much in value, but they can be good fishing tools. South Bend is still around making tackle. Jon Porter
I just located a 9 ft rod and the only ID is South Bend. There is no line wt info on the rod. It has the original cloth bag and alum case. Does anyone know anything about these rods other than made in Indiana?
Yes, South Bend bought out Cross Rods when Wes Jordan was running the show. As part of the deal he agreed to work for a few years for South Bend to get their rod production running smoothly. South Bend was not real interested in making the top quality rods that Cross Rods did under Wes Jordan, but rather wanted to produce lots of rods. Wes Jordan got all the machinery designed, built, and put into use and got out as quickly as he could. South Bend made what are known as "production" rods. The detail work – such as making all the strips from one culm of bamboo for consistency of fiber density – were passed over in favor of quick production. If you look at the nodes on the rod you will often find two of them side by side which makes a weak dead spot in the rod. The varnish was usually good and the wraps were well done, but the rods were mediocre overall. They did use Tonkin cane of decent quality and many of the rods fish quite well. They are a bit heavy though. I have a 3pc. 2 tip 9ft for a HDH (6 wt.) and it casts pretty well. I take it out about once a year for half a day and then put it away because it is like swinging a tree through the air – HEAVY! A South Bend in mint condition might draw as much as $150, but more likely ~$50. Hope this helps, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again. So what if they eat other fish? If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).
I just located a 9 ft rod and the only ID is South Bend. There is no line wt info on the rod. It has the original cloth bag and alum case. Does anyone know anything about these rods other than made in Indiana?
I’m doing an informal survey on anglers favourite magazines and authors, (or TV hosts, etc..). Email me with yours! Thanks. Paradigm Management Group
American Angler is my favorite. I gave up on the others, since they seemed to have become more travelogue, than anything else. I don’t have a favorite TV show, but if I had to make a choice, I’d say "Fishing the West."
In my opinion they all seem to rehash much of the same old stuff and of course they survive on advertising. It just that sometimes they seem to be almost in an alliance with their advertisers to the point that it seems that thats what its all about. Their is one new magazine out of Livingston MT, "The Angler Journal" that seems to be a little less commercial. They at least have stated the quality is their goal.
Do you get _Fly Rod & Reel_? See, the reason I ask is that in the current issue one feature article is far from the same old thing…Flyfishing for largemouths in New York’s central park. I doubt highly that this was an ad gig. If you think that all the magazines rehash the same old stuff, try to think of something that’s truely original in this sport that warrants a feature article. I for one will not sit still through six pages on the advent of a fly hackled about the hook bend, yet this seems to be the most original thing to come down the pike. What’s left then are the destination pieces, but it’s been shown that exotic trips are a turn-off to readers. So what’s left to hold the readers’ interest? This recent article is an intelligent step forward. If you have a good idea for a story, send it to the editors or better yet, write it. They’re always looking for good stuff. Jamus
Green line sounds like a Cortland model. Good luck.
: It’s mine. I lost it in 1993. Please drop it in the mail and I’ll send : you the postage by return mail. Thanks. : Rick Nice try Rick, I suppose my story will get a similar response!
Don’t laugh I’m serious. I have a 7′ fly rod that I found at a drainage ditch a few years back. I had not used it until recently and have found that I really enjoy fly fishing. The reel is aluminum and it has some green line that looks like a nylon mesh with a plastic coating and a metal loop at the end to tie leader. However, it is starting to show signs of wear. I have looked for replacement line at some local stores but nothing seems comparable in weight and consistency of the green line. Does anyone have any ideas as to what kind of line this is and where I might be able to get more? Also, I have read quite a bit of posts in this group about equipment, but, not much on fly selection and presentation. What are some of the more successful flys and presentations for trout in small streams? Thanks in advance for your theories, suggestions and knowledge.
: The caddis fly is of the order Trichoptera. The May fly is of the order : Ephemeroptera. They aint the same bug. So somebody better get his story : straight. Of course they are different bugs…and these are brachycentrus. They are ALSO Grannoms, Sedges, Little Brown Buggies, Mothies etc. etc. The fact is, the hatch does happen in May. Therefore, for the locals to call ‘em the may-flies is ok by me…the biologist was probably also the barber who is also the sherrif on friday nights. Tim Walker
Absolutely correct. It is primarily a communication/context issue, and we should be intelligent and flexible enough to adapt. This leads to an adaptation of an old Stve Martin joke, which might go like this: Up in Canada, "Pickerel" means "Walleye". "Brewskie" means "Beer". Those darn canucks have a different word for ust about everything! (and in Quebec, they call walleye/pickerel – dore – pronounced door-ray!) : — : # Forestry Canada # : # Petawawa National Forestry Institute Voice: (613)-589-3033 # : # Box 2000, Chalk River, Ontario FAX: (613)-589-2275 # : # K0J 1J0 CANADA # — | Bob Lundy | | Mississauga, ON, Canada |
The Stripped Bass is only known as "Rockfish" in the Cheasapeak bay. Once they enter the Atlantic they mysteriously become Stripped Bass. It appears that they are in fact actually making it into the Atlantic again now after the Rockfish moritorium of a few years ago. — _______ o | Gone fish’n in KoKoMo |_/ —— o | Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer
Hey, they also call ‘em "waugers" here…more confusing is the "striper" (white bass), rockfish (imported saltwater striper), and hybrids (cross ‘tween white bass and rockfish)…
Just to throw more fuel on the fire, "rockfish" is the proper name for a common class of deep-ocean saltwater fish. "Rockfish" referring to saltwater striped bass is a regional name used in the NE U.S. True rockfish are often called rock cod, even though they’re not cod… Hey did I tell you about the rainbow trout not really being a trout yet?
Just to make things more confusing, we now have a hybrid species that’s a cross between a walleye and a sauger. It’s called a "saugeye" and it’s becoming a very popular sport fish here in Oklahoma.
Hey, they also call ‘em "waugers" here…more confusing is the "striper" (white bass), rockfish (imported saltwater striper), and hybrids (cross ‘tween white bass and rockfish)… Mac McDougald * Any opinions expressed herein are The Photography Center * not necessarily (actually, are UNIV of TN, Knoxville * almost CERTAINLY NOT) those of UTK. (615-974-3449) * than they’ve ever been before."
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Path: darkside!constellation!osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!moe.ksu .ksu.e du!hobbes.physics.uiowa.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!p nfi!sj oyce Organization: Canadian Forest Service – Petawawa National Forestry Institute Distribution: rec Lines: 44 By far, a much bigger problem is fish misidentification, and misinformation in general. When we argue over pickerel/walleye, at least we are referring to the same tasty, toothy fish. I came across some ice fishermen a few years ago with a pile of fingerling lake trout on the ice and asked them how the fishing was: "No lakers, but a few o’ dem speckles inna some margerine will be damn good". (he thought they were speckled trout or brook trout which grow to a smaller size). Another time I came across a guy fishing for walleye in Alberta. He remarked that he had caught "some of those f*ing dark ones" and tossed them on the bank. They were sauger which are just as tasty. I’m off to go pickerel fishing. oops I mean walleye. Cheers, SPJ
Just to make things more confusing, we now have a hybrid species that’s a cross between a walleye and a sauger. It’s called a "saugeye" and it’s becoming a very popular sport fish here in Oklahoma. I haven’t caught one yet, but I look foreward to it. Richard
Here in colorado, around the beginning of may, the caddis hatch in blizzards. Tan snow. Anyway, the locals say the "May Flies" have hatched. Last year, the Glenwood Post had a biologist on page one who said thet "These are definately mayflies and NOT caddis, as some people beleive." I about had a seizure. Any flyfisherman worth his 5X knows a caddis, on the wing even. But, the local name and affection is kinda cute, so i’m not too smug and i think i know when to call ‘em mayflies too… Tim Walker
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Path: darkside!constellation!convex!insosf1.infonet.net!yeshua.marcam.com!news.k ei.com !eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio- state. edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!twalker Nntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org Organization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Distribution: rec Lines: 12 Here in colorado, around the beginning of may, the caddis hatch in blizzards. Tan snow. Anyway, the locals say the "May Flies" have hatched. Last year, the Glenwood Post had a biologist on page one who said thet "These are definately mayflies and NOT caddis, as some people beleive." I about had a seizure. Any flyfisherman worth his 5X knows a caddis, on the wing even. But, the local name and affection is kinda cute, so i’m not too smug and i think i know when to call ‘em mayflies too… Tim Walker
The caddis fly is of the order Trichoptera. The May fly is of the order Ephemeroptera. They aint the same bug. So somebody better get his story straight. Richard
It seems a bit ridiculous to be having arguments about common names of fish when they are just that; "common names". As such, they are regional by nature, language specific, and vary widely across the country and across borders (i.e. Walleye, Pickerel, Dore, walleyed pike, yellow pickerel etc.). You can find "official" literature in different areas that list different common names for exactly the same fish. They not only vary by region, they vary sometimes according to fish size or life stage (Chinook, King, Spring, Tyee). They can even vary according to how the fish is caught or marketed (Lake Herring, Ciscoe, Tulibee). And I’ve also noticed the uglier the fish is, the more common names it will have (Ling, Burbot, Eelpout, Lawyer, freshwater cod,…snake?). If you want an unabiguous label for a fish species, you have to use the latin or scientific name. To me, common names have never been a problem. Just learn as much as you can about fish species in the areas you fish, and the common names in those areas. I think there can be some confusion if the same common name refers to a different fish in different areas but that’s rare. When you ask the locals where the fish are biting, you will get a lot farther by using the local fish names! . By far, a much bigger problem is fish misidentification, and misinformation in general. When we argue over pickerel/walleye, at least we are referring to the same tasty, toothy fish. I came across some ice fishermen a few years ago with a pile of fingerling lake trout on the ice and asked them how the fishing was: "No lakers, but a few o’ dem speckles inna some margerine will be damn good". (he thought they were speckled trout or brook trout which grow to a smaller size). Another time I came across a guy fishing for walleye in Alberta. He remarked that he had caught "some of those f*ing dark ones" and tossed them on the bank. They were sauger which are just as tasty. I’m off to go pickerel fishing. oops I mean walleye. Cheers, SPJ — # Forestry Canada # # Petawawa National Forestry Institute Voice: (613)-589-3033 # # Box 2000, Chalk River, Ontario FAX: (613)-589-2275 # # K0J 1J0 CANADA #
Is it just me or is sea kayaking under going a rapid de-evolution ? I can think of no other sport that is racing back to the future like it. Skin boats, thin wood paddles Greenland training techniques this stuff has been in use for 10,000 years . Can any modern R.D dept. hope to come up with any thing that can withstand that test of time?
Is it just me or is sea kayaking under going a rapid de-evolution ? I can think of no other sport that is racing back to the future like it. Skin boats, thin wood paddles Greenland training techniques this stuff has been in use for 10,000 years . Can any modern R.D dept. hope to come up with any thing that can withstand that test of time?
I would’nt go so far as calling it a "de-evolution", the same thing happens with just about every sport out there – equipment becomes more and more sophisticated and technologicaly advanced. The original creation that started the whole process becomes lost to history. Just because I want to build a Baidarka doesnt mean I want to hold the rest of the world back – I just want something different – something that you just dont see very often, but is also recogizable as a part of past history – which is what makes it so fun. This is the reason I fly fish instead of using the latest in bait casting reels(but I use both), I also shoot a recurve bow(but I also own a compound), and I shoot black powder ( but I also have the most modern of arms). I’d be willing to bet that the modern R&D shops can and do design kayaks and canoes that are light years more efficient and durable than past boats, but evolution is the way of the world, and what better way to evolve than to look back to the past to plan for the future?