50" World Record Rainbow Trout There was a priest that loved to stream fish. One year there was a problem every time he had a chance to go fishing the weather was bad or it was on Sunday, when he had to work. All year he was unable to go. Finally it was the last week before the streams closed. The weather was bad all week until Sunday, when the weather was great. The priest could not resist, he called a fellow priest claiming to be very sick and asked if he could take over his sermon. The flyfishing priest drove over 200 miles, not wishing to see anyone he knew. An angel seeing the priest playing hooky went to God and said "Your not going to let him get away with this are you?". God agreed he should do something . The first cast the priest made was perfect. The fly floated past a log and a huge mouth gulped the fly down. For 45 minutes the priest ran up and down the stream fighting the mighty fish. At the end he held a 50" world record rainbow trout. Confused the angel asked God, "What are you doing?". God replied "Think about it, who’s he going to tell?" Scouse From Down-Under (Look at this-stop working and gofishing!) http://www.goingplatinum.com/member/evg
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Aw, c’mon, W1. If it was a world’s record bass, would that have made it funnier? W2 :-))
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But of course W2! W1
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Wayne Knight: (envious story snipped) Oh yea, I’ve still never been stumped in MO 
Here we are sittin’ out a snow storm and you’re fishing! ’Tain’t fair. It was a good day, Wayne, just to be out there. Dave L.
Ok, Forty you asked for it….
Thanks, big guy. Always nice to read of a friends fishin’ trip while stuck up here in the snow. — Ken Fortenberry
Ok, Forty you asked for it…. Thanks, big guy. Always nice to read of a friends fishin’ trip while stuck up here in the snow.
FWIW, they are calling for snow here tonight and tomorrow. Sure hope it does not impede my flight home to Geneva on Friday. Hopefully tho, my daughter will have the driveway and sidewalks shoveled for me by the time I do get home. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.
[trip snip] Thank you Kerry for a great time, and if any of you out there ever decide to visit SW Missouri for a little fishing, be sure and drop Kerry an email. Oh yea, I’ve still never been stumped in MO — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.
Y’know that’s really cruel to post such a report to the snowbound. :)
Ok, Forty you asked for it…. I drove out of Kansas to Aurora Mo this past weekend where I met up with Kerry Evans, a contributor to the board, and a long time resident of SW Missouri. Crane is a creek I’ve been hearing about for about a year and wanted to try, plus it is about the closest real trout water to Halstead KS, being only 260 miles away, and whatever it’s faults as a fishing destination, eastern Kansas has some damn good roads <g. All things being equal, I would have prefered to let the weather change a little more but not having seen a trout since October I was going through withdrawal symptons. After meeting for breakfast, I followed Kerry to the creek. Yup the water is low, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelly low, and it was is gin clear. The only other time I’ve seen water this clear has been in WI spring creeks in the fall, never in the winter. Kerry did his best to put me over fish, even though the water was low, there were enough deep pools to support fish. Funny thing with a couple of exceptions we would fish the pools and see nothing and then cross the stream in 6" water and see fish scattering away from us…..There was this one pool which we saw several fish, but just could not get them to take our offerings. We did find some rising fish and we did our best to put them down Being winter, while there was some insect activity on the surface, the bugs were small. A size 20 Griffith’s Gnat might as well been a #10 Green Drake, these bugs were that small. Yours truly at the start was casting, if you want to call it that, as if I was just learning what a fly rod was having forgot my backcast, drink, forward cast routine…..and I probably had a false since of security, it being winter and all was not being too careful with the brush around the stream. I admit, I was cocky, I had never been stumped in Missouri before and really did not want to stealth my overweight out of shape self. Kerry was great, he is a fine fly fisher, a super guy, and to boot, he builds a rather nice rod too. But as sometimes happen, he too could not connect fly with fish. Finally, about halfway down the section we were fishing, we came upon a pool with two risers, Kerry being the gracious host he was, offered the pool to me. I figured screw it on the small stuff and tied on a favorite Michigan pattern, a size 14 parachute Robert’s Drake figuring that maybe the bow’s wanted a real meal for a change. After deteriming the first riser was a little one, I did my best Fortenberry imitation and slid along the pool side and side armed cast the drake under a tree branch to the other riser…..I was rewarded with a healthy bow which turned out to be the only fish of the day. Though the fishing was tough, and frankly had we been a little more careful, we might have been better rewarded, but we only saw one other fisherman and last we checked, he had not been successful. The creek needs some water but I will be back and will be better prepared next time. I bet in spring and fall colors the stream scenery is just dynamite. And Kerry told me about some other streams which have not been written about, they will stay a secret but I will be visiting them too! Thank you Kerry for a great time, and if any of you out there ever decide to visit SW Missouri for a little fishing, be sure and drop Kerry an email. Oh yea, I’ve still never been stumped in MO — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.
<Snip You may want to underline it by one size. In any case, try some lines on it and see what works best for you in the way of line weight…as the rod will probably throw several line sizes…but with a different action etc. Barry
I would concur with this idea. In fact, I did just that on my South Bend mod. 59. The rod’s rated for a 6 weight, but I use a DT5 on it and it casts great. The rod has a stout "bass action", but I can cast dry flies with noticeably greater speed, pinpoint accuracy, and the delicacy of a two weight. IOW: Try it! Good luck… Homey
<snip Wes Jordan (of Orvis fame) was the master rod builder at South Bend when your rod was probably made. He started there in 1926. The Model Number 47 describes the rods action. In this case, a stiff or Bass Action. 100 series rod were light action, 300 series rods were considered Dry Fly action.
<snip again Al Manchester NH Still fishing a South Bend 359
Hi Al, If the numbers indicate the action, where does the model 59 fit in to this scheme? Just wondering… Homey
If the numbers indicate the action, where does the model 59 fit in to this
scheme? Just wondering…<BR Hi Homey South Bend made most if not all of thier rods in thee actions. Bass Action model numbers with *xx* Wet fly or Trout modle numbers with *1xx* Dry Fly Action modle numbers with *3xx* This is for the three piece rods. The rods all had the same hardware and wraps, only the taper was different. So a modle 59 would be a fast action rod, a 159 would be a slow or wet fly action rod, and a 359 would be a dry fly action rod – medium to fast. The modle 59’s were made, depending again on the handle and sticker sometime after 1936 and originaly sold for $5.00 to $9.35. If the rod has a grip that has distinct lines in it, and a thumb rest, called by South Bend a Comficient Grip ( comfortable and efficient ) it was made after 1939, which is when South Bend first started using these grips. The reel seet will also give a clue as to the rods age. You can pick these rods up pretty cheep, around $125 to $150 and they are ok casting tools and good old everyday rods. I have an 8 1/2 ft 359 that I have completely redone with modern hardware. It is a fun nymphing rod. Although it is a bit heavy. There isn’t much collector interest in Sout Bend rods it seams becasue they were mass produced, made on milling machines and the sections came from different culms of bamboo. But so were many other companies rods. Some big names too that just might shock some people. It is interesting to read in Wes Jordan – Profile of a Rod Maker, his attention to detail and quality when he was at South Bend. My personal opinion is that these rods are somewhat undervalued and one day just might get some recognition. This is in part becasue Wes Jordan always worked for a company, and never produced rods under his own name, so the lack of recognition follows.. For right now, if you want to have some fun fishing cane for a not a lot of money, a South Bend rod just might be the ticket. You can fish them as is, or, if they are in need of some work, replace the hardware with modern stuff and have a decent cane rod. The ferrules are the keys, make sure you have a good fit and that they are tight to the cane. My 359 throws a DT 5 very nicely, mends well, and if I fall down and brake it, well, it’s not a Leonard or a Payne. Mike Sinclairs book, Bamboo Rod Restoration has a chaper in it in South Bend rods, and has some good advice for those wishing to refinish or even resore an old rod. For $25.00 it is not a bad refference to have around. Well, see, you asked a simple question and got me started ) Hope this helps. Al
Some years ago I acquired a South Bend No. 47 split cane rod. It is a nine feet long, three piece rod in a cotton rod bag, and marked in the ‘old’ line ratings as suitable for HCH.C or GBF lines. It came with(and still has) a spare top section. I was hoping someone might be able to give me a little history of the rod, in particular over what time was it made, and what would be its equivalent modern line ratings. The present management of South Bend was unable to help. The rod was previously owned by a well known Australian fisherman and tackle dealer named Hank Newman, now dead for some years. Thanks Peter Barda
(snip) I was hoping someone might be able to give me a little history of the rod, in particular over what time was it made, and what would be its equivalent modern line ratings. The present management of South Bend was unable to help. The rod was previously owned by a well known Australian fisherman and tackle dealer named Hank Newman, now dead for some years. Thanks Peter Barda
Which model of rod is this? I believe South Bend made several models/price ranges/quality etc. Also…if memory serves me correctly, the line size that you mentioned is about an eight weight. The HCH signified a double taper line and the GBF a weight forward. This was back when they marked line by diameter….and not just weight. Today’s lines are categorized by weight….as you know. By the way, my first fly rod was a South Bend rod that my dad gave to me. I wish I still had it. One other comment on line sizes for old bamboo rods…. Back in the "good old days", we accepted a slower action than is now standard in most rods. Consequently, you may find that the recommended line size is too heavy for your casting style on the South Bend rod. You may want to underline it by one size. In any case, try some lines on it and see what works best for you in the way of line weight…as the rod will probably throw several line sizes…but with a different action etc. Barry
Some years ago I acquired a South Bend No. 47 split cane rod. It is a nine
feet long, three piece rod in a cotton rod bag, and marked in the ‘old’ line ra0tings as suitable for HCH.C or GBF lines. It came with(and still has) a spare top section.<BR I was hoping someone might be able to give me a little history of the rod, in
particular over what time was it made, and what would be its equivalent modern line ratings. The present management of South Bend was unable to help. Peter, Your rod was made sometime after 1936. If you could describe the grip and the decal, I could date it much more acurately for you. It it has the Comficient Grip, with a gold decal, it was probably made after1939. If the decal on the grip is a yellow rectangle, the rod was made sometime after WWII. Wes Jordan (of Orvis fame) was the master rod builder at South Bend when your rod was probably made. He started there in 1926. The Model Number 47 describes the rods action. In this case, a stiff or Bass Action. 100 series rod were light action, 300 series rods were considered Dry Fly action. The HCH refers to a modern DT 7 and GBF is the equivilent of a modern WF8. The rod sold for around $10.00 to $15.00 depending on when it was made. A good refference for South Bend Rods is Michael Sinclair’s Bamboo Rod Restoration Handbook and Dick Spur’s and Gloria Jordan’s Wes Jordan – Profile of a Rod Maker. Gloria Jordan still lives in Manchester Vt and runs a fly shop there. Hope this bit of info helps. Al Manchester NH Still fishing a South Bend 359
Here in Colorado, the fish are skitish enough, without a 110 pound dog swimming overhead. Over the past weekend, I brought him fishing again. However, this time I fastened his leash to my waders. This wasn’t a problem because the water is very low. This method seemed to work really well. Any training insight, comments, or suggestions are greatly appreciated.
I would think catching him on a bad backcast would be risky. As to suggestions, my own german shepherd has gotten a bit old. I find that after a good hour or so of splashing and playing she settles down and prefers to watch me from the bank. So I spend an hour playing with the dog and hiking upstream before I start fishing.
I have two dogs who love to swim after me on a quiet lake if I let them. When the fishing is bad and can’t get any worse, sometimes I call them out and let them troll beside my canoe. However, I don’t encourage this if there are other fisherman in the lake. When I fish on a river, I just leave them in my van. They are quite happy hanging out for a couple of hours at a time. Less stress worring about pissing off other guys. Besides nothing spooks fish more than a couple of splashing muts swiming around, or having them get caught in the current. C. Carefoot – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to start bringing my black labrador fly fishing. I was curious if anyone has any training suggestions, which may help. Over the summer, I attempted to bring him fishing. Being a water dog, I couldn’t keep him out of the deepest holes. Here in Colorado, the fish are skitish enough, without a 110 pound dog swimming overhead. Over the past weekend,I brought him fishing again. However, this time I fastened his leash to my waders. This wasn’t a problem because the water is very low. This method seemed to work really well. Any training insight, comments, or suggestions are greatly appreciated. -Josh josh ( a t ) bankersfyi ( d o t ) com
Me thinks too many folks are buying into this dog/flyfishing c**p you see on the cover of catalogs, books, calendars, etc.. I like the one photo on my TU calendar where this gorgeous lady flyfisher, all decked in Orvis gear, in her twenties, shows a 26" trout to her black lab. It’s titled "introducing one love to another". Now here’s reality: if there is a woman, she looks like a Jenny-Craig dropout. The trout she holds is a SNIT (stocked nine-inch trout). She wears an "Uncle Buck’s Salmon Eggs" t-shirt covered with fish slime, probably from the stringer of fish wrapped around her neck. The dog is drowning because he can’t swim, and drooling more water than there is in the stream. The title would be "Rover finally discovers what fresh fish smells like". Voice of experience – tried training Boomer my black lab to go flyfishing. He ran everybody off the stream. I had to leave before the sheriff arrived. Fishing is for my enjoyment, not Boomer’s. Let him get his own rod & Jeep.
This is gonna be another Swayback Story. One of the members of that fine club has a Newfoundland Duck Tolling Retriever bitch. Nice dog. Takes her fishing with him often. Well, one Saturday evening this guy is fishing the water by my house with the Noof. He get’s into a fish – maybe 17-18". He gets the fish into netting range, and damned if the dog doesn’t pounce on the poor thing, grab it in it’s mouth, and take it to shore. Then the noof sets the fish on the gravel and sits there proud as punch. Believe it or not, the fish was released, relatively unharmed. As I understand these dogs they’re used as duck dogs in Canada. They have very strong retrieval instincts it would appear. But I never thought they were that strong. Personally, I find fishing with a dog, especially a water dog to be very annoying. They can go all over the place, and mess up everything. Maybe Josh’s dog is a better dog than that – I sure hope so anyway. I would like to start bringing my black labrador fly fishing. I was curious if anyone has any training suggestions, which may help. Over the summer, I attempted to bring him fishing. Being a water dog, I couldn’t keep him out of the deepest holes. Here in Colorado, the fish are skitish enough, without a 110 pound dog swimming overhead. Over the past weekend, I brought him fishing again. However, this time I fastened his leash to my waders. This wasn’t a problem because the water is very low. This method seemed to work really well. Any training insight, comments, or suggestions are greatly appreciated. -Josh josh ( a t ) bankersfyi ( d o t ) com
– </chaz Chaz Clover The Paved Earth Society http://www.rmi.net/~clover/pave_the_earth "Why Not Just Get On With It?"
Fishing is for my enjoyment, not Boomer’s. Let him get his own rod & Jeep.
Sorry, but an enjoyable day on the river *always* includes the dog ! My mutt patiently sits on the bank until a trout is hooked, and then dives in to attempt a retrieve. Lots of excitement – and all he asks for is one quick lick of the fish. So what if he ruins that pool, there’s plenty more within a short walk, and more trout than I could catch in a lifetime. It’s seldom I see another fisherman on my stretch of river, and my buddies get a bigger kick out of watching the dog than playing the numbers game in fish caught in a day. Hunting season’s too short, and time too precious to spend outdoors without my pooch! Andrew Banff Alberta
I would like to start bringing my black labrador fly fishing. I was curious if anyone has any training suggestions, which may help. Over the summer, I attempted to bring him fishing. Being a water dog, I couldn’t keep him out of the deepest holes. Here in Colorado, the fish are skitish enough, without a 110 pound dog swimming overhead. Over the past weekend, I brought him fishing again. However, this time I fastened his leash to my waders. This wasn’t a problem because the water is very low. This method seemed to work really well. Any training insight, comments, or suggestions are greatly appreciated. -Josh josh ( a t ) bankersfyi ( d o t ) com
I would like to start bringing my black labrador fly fishing. I was curious if anyone has any training suggestions, which may help. Over the summer, I attempted to bring him fishing. Being a water dog, I couldn’t keep him out of the deepest holes. Here in Colorado, the fish are skitish enough, without a 110 pound dog swimming overhead. Over the past weekend, I brought him fishing again. However, this time I fastened his leash to my waders. This wasn’t a problem because the water is very low. This method seemed to work really well. Any training insight, comments, or suggestions are greatly appreciated.
My yellow lab started obedience training at 16 weeks and was fish_able when she turned 5. She knew all the commands and would obey 99% of the time, but you know labs & water :- At 5 I began taking her to the beach fishing on off tides so she wouldn’t bother anyone (she’s very friendly), or when I’d fish more isolated spots in the marshes and rocks. She did fine, I let her roam within reason, she seems to know her limits and is pretty unobtrusive. At 6 I began taking her to a local river that ran behind a barrier beach. I met a friend there and we decided to wade out to a nice looking flat. Gave Cass the ‘Stay’ command and she sat in a spot in the marsh for the next hour, watching us, not moving until I released her, then she went and chased seagulls for a while, but never came near the water we were fishing. My friend, who used to have a yellow lab too, was amazed. I can let her roam like this because she’s very good with hand signals. After I finish fishing I always do the tennis ball thing with her, so she knows that her patience will be rewarded, that seems to help a lot. So now I have a great fishing buddy, but it did take a lot of time and training to get her there. The point where she really started obeying was when I released a striper into a very strong rip and she dove in to retrieve it, she got one hell of a ride out to sea until she got loose. She never did that again, though I don’t necessarily recommend doing this on purpose :-
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to start bringing my black labrador fly fishing. I was curious if anyone has any training suggestions, which may help. Over the summer, I attempted to bring him fishing. Being a water dog, I couldn’t keep him out of the deepest holes. Here in Colorado, the fish are skitish enough, without a 110 pound dog swimming overhead. Over the past weekend, I brought him fishing again. However, this time I fastened his leash to my waders. This wasn’t a problem because the water is very low. This method seemed to work really well. Any training insight, comments, or suggestions are greatly appreciated. -Josh josh ( a t ) bankersfyi ( d o t ) com
my dog is a horrible fishing dog, so she spends my fishing time drooling on my couch. if you really want to fish with your pooch, i would recommend just spending lots of time with it on and near rivers. go to areas where the fishing is marginal, so you don’t piss other anglers off while training your dog. practice your casting while working (it might be tough to concentrate on the fish and your dog) on keeping your dog out of the water (if you own a breed that loves the water, it might be tough to keep it out of the water). remember that non-dog owners can be wary of large breed dogs and that a dog along the river isn’t always welcome by other anglers especially if dog owners don’t pick up after their animals. good luck and good training, chris
I would like to start bringing my black labrador fly fishing. I was curious if anyone has any training suggestions, which may help. Over the summer, I attempted to bring him fishing. Being a water dog, I couldn’t keep him out of the deepest holes. Here in Colorado, the fish are skitish enough, without a 110 pound dog swimming overhead. Over the past weekend, I brought him fishing again. However, this time I fastened his leash to my waders. This wasn’t a problem because the water is very low. This method seemed to work really well. Any training insight, comments, or suggestions are greatly appreciated.
I don’t have any insight other than once you find out, I’d like to know. I took my lab fishing this past summer and of course every time I casted, he’d jump in after the fly. I tried tying his leash to a willow bush – he bent the willow over so far that he made it into the water again. When I finally got him tied up good, he’d bark every time I casted – not a good thing when you start fishing 5am and there are other people around trying to sleep. Rich
I’m a dog trainer by profession & there is no easy, magic way to make a "fishing" dog. An unruly dog has no place on the stream. The first place to start is with basic obedience so the dog learns the commands of heel, sit, down, stay & come as true commands not just requests that the dog follows when it wants to. This means alot of work at home before ever taking the dog to a stream with you. However, much of it has to do with basic temperament & personality. I’ve bred, trained, and owned alot of dogs over the years & I’ve only had two that were what I would call true "fishing" dogs. One was a Golden & the other a Irish Setter. They would wadeswim at my side while I was fishing or I could put them in a stay on the bank where they would remain no matter what else was going on. The unique characteristic these two had was that they were into fishing. They could stay with me all day without getting distracted the other exciting things that happen such as rabbits, birds, other anglers etc. They would intensely watch & get very excited when I hooked a fish. I would land it, show it to them & let them see it swim away. Great companions. The Irish, though, would get impatient & would bark at me if I hadn’t caught a fish soon enough for her! I don’t take untrained dogs with me fishing. Training has to be done at stream side. fishing. This takes time, patience & discipline. It means working with your dog without fishing. Dogs not under strict control should not be off leash and have no business stream side. I don’t have a "fishing" dog, but I do have a young one that shows some real promise. Willi
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I recieved a kit for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good book that will help me learn how to tie flies? I am a avid flyfisherman and love to learn more about fly tieing. If anyone has any good paterns please send me a few to try and I will send you one of the finished products to see if I got it right. Thanks Alot Chuck Hester
I recieved a kit for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good book that will help me learn how to tie flies?
I have Eric Leiser’s book on fly tying and like it. (Sorry, I can’t remember the name of the book, but it is something obvious, like "Fly Tying." It has a blue cover with pictures of flies on it.) This book walks you through dries, wets, streamers, etc., in different chapters. It teaches a basic fly (with some variations) in each chapter, then lists patterns for several more flies that can be tied in the same way. I like the book, and have only found two drawbacks so far. First, it is a bit old–1970’s, I think. The age affects the discussion of materials. There is little mention of synthetic furs and he says that no substitute is necessary for polar bear hair. Second, there are no color photographs (other than on the cover). They would help mostly to get a better idea of how the final product should look. One of my standards for checking how well the author knows his (her) craft is the discussion of the whip finish. If a book says that the whip finish is too hard to do and and that you should buy a tool to do it, I put the book down and move on. The book should teach you how to do a whip finish by hand. Also, in general, the book should not try to turn you into a "tool junkie." Many tools you either don’t need or can make yourself. For example, if an author tells you that you can make a dubbing needle yourself or can buy a potter’s needle tool cheaper than a "flytyer’s dubbing needle," then I rate that book higher than one that only names the tool. All of that said, I will now admit that I am fairly new to flytying. I also took a class at a local community Adult Ed. to help me along. (I got really lucky there. The instructor was Ray Salminen, who is an excellent tyer and has been tying flies for 60 years!) Good luck! Dave
I recieved a kit for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good book that will help me learn how to tie flies? I am a avid flyfisherman and love to learn more about fly tieing. If anyone has any good paterns please send me a few to try and I will send you one of the finished products to see if I got it right. Thanks Alot Chuck Hester
Two decent beginner books are those written by Jack Dennis. Although they were written for Western trout, I dont think that Eastern trout will mind. These books have the majority of basic long honored patterns, and cute stories that go with each. In addition, the photographs should help the beginner do well right off the bat. I would suggest, however, that you take a class in fly tying. Many community based programs exist, as well as classes taught at fly shops or sporting goods stores. Good luck
I recieved a kit for Christmas and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good book that will help me learn how to tie flies? I am a avid flyfisherman and love to learn more about fly tieing. If anyone has any good paterns please send me a few to try and I will send you one of the finished products to see if I got it right. Thanks Alot Chuck Hester
I have been tying for about two years. I have two fly tying books that work well for me. 1. Fly Tying Adventures in Fur, Feathers and Fun by John F. McKim. Great illustrations and a good selection of fly patterns. 2. Tying Flies with Jack Dennis and Friends. Uses good photographs and very good on the step-by-step process. Happy tying, John
I have Eric Leiser’s book on fly tying and like it. (Sorry, I can’t remember the name of the book, but it is something obvious, like "Fly Tying." It has a blue cover with pictures of flies on it.)
The title is "The Complete Book of Fly Tying" & despite its relative vintage & lack of discussion of a lot of the new synthetics (mylar tubing was pretty avant garde at the time 
) it’s a good & thorough guide to many basic & fairly advanced tying techniques. Great drawings. cheers, — Blair Sharpe Ottawa, ON, Canada
writes: As an alternative to books, one of the better ways to learn tying techniques is to buy or rent a few video tapes. You’ll learn a lot more watching it being done than you will from looking a couple of still photos and reading a description.
I agree. Gary Borger’s Tying Trout Flies (part of the 3M Scientific Angler series) is quite good. I’m a relatively new tier, also. I, too, have and like Leiser’s Complete Book of Fly Tying. His "The Book of Fly Patterns" isn’t bad, either. It contains tying instructions as well as lots of patterns. I don’t have Randall Kaufmann’s books, but Tying Nymphs, Tying Dry Flies, and Fly Tyer’s Nymph Manual all look like good beginners. Books. Probably my favorite so far is Gary Borger’s Designing Trout Flies. Dave Guinee
Hello All! Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet: K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
Hello All! Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet: K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
Yes, try rec. outddors fishing flytying Tom
Hello All! Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet: K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
yes!!! rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying Paul M. Willenberg The kool-Aid Whinno http://www.wolfenet.com/~willej Transcend the Bullshit. Loud Pipes Save Lives -ATB If today were a fish I’d throw it back. -Paul Hunter I used to drink Vodka and Espresso and then I realized the last thing the world needed was a wide awake drunk -PH Outside of a dog a book is a man’s best friend, inside of a dog it’s too dark to read.-Nelson Algren Never eat at a place called Ma’s (she’s lying to ya, she’s not your real Ma), Never play cards with a man named Doc, and Never, Never, for any reason, sleep with somebody that has more problems than you.-Nelson ALgren
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All! Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet: K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. Yes, try rec. outddors fishing flytying Tom
Using the correct syntax will make it easier to find: It’s rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All! Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet: K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. Yes, try rec. outddors fishing flytying Tom Using the correct syntax will make it easier to find: It’s rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY I couldn’t find the group you suiggested above for fly tying. Do I need to do soemthing special to subscribe? David Merkel
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All! Just got connected to this group – is there also one that is dedicated to fly tieing? K. — |Fidonet: K. Lindholm 1:285/43 | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. Yes, try rec. outddors fishing flytying Tom
Try rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying instead.
I have a CD on fly-tying, interactive and with 900 photos of what they look like and how to tie them, plus much more. It took the authors 5 yars to develop it.
Will be in Hilton Head, SC next week to give a couple of talks. Have some free time. Any saltwater or brackish water FF to be had in the area? Guides or tackle shops? Thanks. J. Rice
david murray in beaufort, south carolina is the best guide i have ever fished with his # is 803-525-6820 tell him monty in nashville sent you, he’s a great guy and will put you on redfish. Monty Powell
david murray in beaufort, south carolina is the best guide i have ever fished with his # is 803-525-6820 tell him monty in nashville sent you, he’s a great guy and will put you on redfish. Monty Powell
I agree!! Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Dutch government intends to forbid live bait fishing (i.e., fishing with living fish, minnows, etc.) starting January 1, 1997. If you think this is none of your business, please read on. Eventually, perhaps sooner than you think, this plan might restrict anyone’s freedom to fish. Not allowing live bait fishing is of course nothing new. It is in effect in several countries in Europe and, if I am correctly informed, also in some states in the US of A. Some fishing associations also allow only artificial bait in (some of) the waters they rent. The reasons vary from country tot country and from place to place. So what else is new, why should you care? What’s new is, that our government uses an ethical argument: the fish feel pain, suffer, etc. As you might expect, our government’s current viewpoint is the result of a protracted lobby of the Dutch Animal Rights movement, which have for years argued against fishing for ethical reasons, although the scientific basis for ‘the ethical argument’ seems to be weak. In fact, neurological evidence points in the opposite direction: fish don’t have the brain structures that are held responsible for feelings of pain and suffering in mammals. Forbidding life bait fishing for ethical reasons is alarming, because once you use an ethical argument against life bait fishing, it’s hard not to apply it to fishing in general and, consequently, forbid fishing entirely. Of course, the long-term goal of our Animal Rights movement is just that. If fishing is no longer allowed in one country, this will surely encourage Animal Rights movements in other countries to strive for something similar. It is for this reason that I think that fishermen in other countries should care. Lots of fishermen in The Netherlands have written letters of protest to the political parties that support the government’s intention. Letters from fishermen in other countries would also be most welcome and very much appreciated, the more the better. We have ridiculously many political parties, but four of them really matter here: PvdA, D66, VVD, and CDA (the latter two do not have a very strong opinion on the matter, but they are among the largest parties). If you would like to support us, please send an E-mail to them. They should be addressed as follows: E-mail address If you write a letter of protest, please be polite. It wouldn’t do any harm, however, when you pointed out that you would not feel terribly at ease in a country that forbids life bait fishing and that therefore … Because I would like to know whether a protest like this can be organized on the net, I would appreciate being informed by those who do send a letter of I’ll let you know what happens. This is the first posting of this letter. It will probably be posted by me two times more in the next two weeks. Leo Beem E-mail:
until it’s too late.We in America keep suupporting ,subconciously,politicians who have no balls to stand up to Amimal rights nonsense.Just like gun-ownership and hunting,we will become the fringe ,as the media and liberal politician will paint us .Then ultimately bans on bait will be seen as the middle ground,and then bans on hook barbs,thenbans on anything but fly fishing,then a total ban.And yes ,the fly fishermen will go along with all of this,as their exclusive sense of moral righteousness,and sportsmanship will encourage this type of political crap. If you don’t believe me,go talk to some members of trout unlimited,who will tell you they are ethically superior in their means of sportsmanship,Of course baitfishing is considered "unsporting" and fishing with barbed hooks is "deadly to the fish". The other example I have to offer is the so-called assault weapon.Go to a skeet match and speak to the elite shotgunners with Perazzi’s and Beretta’s.They will tell you what neanderthals those men are who own semi-auto rifles and large magazines.They will tell you they should be banned.So you see,Americans have no unity in their ranks.We will lose our outdoor heritage,as our membership continues to compromise on what they consider moral,and ethical
The Dutch government intends to forbid live bait fishing (i.e., fishing with living fish, minnows, etc.) starting January 1, 1997. If you think this is none of your business, please read on. Eventually, perhaps sooner than you think, this plan might restrict anyone’s freedom to fish. Not allowing live bait fishing is of course nothing new. It is in effect in several countries in Europe and, if I am correctly informed, also in some states in the US of A. Some fishing associations also allow only artificial bait in (some of) the waters they rent. The reasons vary from country tot country and from place to place. So what else is new, why should you care? What’s new is, that our government uses an ethical argument: the fish feel pain, suffer, etc. As you might expect, our government’s current viewpoint is the result of a protracted lobby of the Dutch Animal Rights movement, which have for years argued against fishing for ethical reasons, although the scientific basis for ‘the ethical argument’ seems to be weak. In fact, neurological evidence points in the opposite direction: fish don’t have the brain structures that are held responsible for feelings of pain and suffering in mammals. Forbidding life bait fishing for ethical reasons is alarming, because once you use an ethical argument against life bait fishing, it’s hard not to apply it to fishing in general and, consequently, forbid fishing entirely. Of course, the long-term goal of our Animal Rights movement is just that. If fishing is no longer allowed in one country, this will surely encourage Animal Rights movements in other countries to strive for something similar. It is for this reason that I think that fishermen in other countries should care. Lots of fishermen in The Netherlands have written letters of protest to the political parties that support the government’s intention. Letters from fishermen in other countries would also be most welcome and very much appreciated, the more the better. We have ridiculously many political parties, but four of them really matter here: PvdA, D66, VVD, and CDA (the latter two do not have a very strong opinion on the matter, but they are among the largest parties). If you would like to support us, please send an E-mail to them. They should be addressed as follows: E-mail address If you write a letter of protest, please be polite. It wouldn’t do any harm, however, when you pointed out that you would not feel terribly at ease in a country that forbids life bait fishing and that therefore … Because I would like to know whether a protest like this can be organized on the net, I would appreciate being informed by those who do send a letter I’ll let you know what happens. This is the first posting of this letter. It will probably be posted by me two times more in the next two weeks. Leo Beem
Please be aware that in many states in the good old USA live bait is restricted for reasons other than cruelty. Many fish species used for bait are not indigenous to the local ecology. Introducing foreign species to certain lakes and ponds can wreak havoc and destroy the local ecology. These introduced species can thrive in ares where natural competition is not present. Many states restrict live bait for these reasons. You would be amazed how many so called sportsmen have introduced fish species into local ecologies via bait and or intentionally trying to stock and improve their local fishery. A VERY bad idea.
A friend of mine (not online) just passed on to me the strangest dressing for a fly I’ve ever seen called the Regal Eagle. In my 50 years of fly fishing I’ve never seen anything like it: Regal Eagle dressing: Hook: Taokao 3902 (Korean made, apparently great strength in thinness) Size: 10 to 20 Thread: 6/0 black pre-waxed Tail: Pheasant Hackle fibers Body: Olive Chenille ultra thin wound together with peacock herl. Hackle: American Bald Eagle Hackle (taken from behind the neck). I was shocked at the Balk Eagle as I had thought this was a protected bird. Now I am told that some are raised in captivity for the express purpose of fly tying. I am also told that this simple fly REALLY catches fish. Has anyone else heard of it? I also have heard several fly tying catalogs out of Missouri are offering Bald Eagle feathers for sale. –Wal.
writes: A friend of mine (not online) just passed on to me the strangest dressing for a fly I’ve ever seen called the Regal Eagle. In my 50 years of fly fishing I’ve never seen anything like it:
It sounds to me like this fly was developed to sell bald eagle feathers and catch suckers (and I don’t mean fish:) Ernie Harrison
The American Bald Eagle is a C.I.T.E.S. class 1 protected species. Anyone portending to sell or posess these feathers is either a) not selling the real thing or b) playing with fire. A class 1 listing simply means that under no circumstances is anyone allowed to posess/barter/sell any plumage from the bird nor the bird itself, be it alive or dead. There are other Eagle species, however that are Class 2 and Class 3, notably the Golden Eagle, which, by the way, makes the most incredible Spey hackles you’ll ever see! Let’s have a GREAT time, but let’s be careful out there! :-) ~Spider <<**
I need to speak at the funeral of a friend who loved to fly fish. I’d like to read a poem about flyfishing. Any suggestions.
I have two suggestions. One suggestion is a lovely poem by Elizabeth Bishop entitled "The Fish," found in "North & South" and "The Complete Poems: 1927-1979." My other suggestion is any one of several contemplative poems by Raymond Carver with a flyfishing setting in his collection "Ultramarine." Bishop’s "The Complete Poems" is available in paperback from The Noonday Press; Carver’s "Ultramarine" is available in paperback from Vintage Books.