That was my raffle prize – did you win it?
Jeff, I’d read it earlier and still have it. At the raffle I won something that I didn’t want and then IJ made some kind of fast trade with me 
for something that I wanted even less. The raffle was excellent by the way. bruce h
I liked "Wisdom of the Guides" quite a bit.
OK, I changed the order again. Damn these compiles are taking forever tonight!
I liked "Wisdom of the Guides" quite a bit. That was my raffle prize – did you win it?
"Re-gifter"? ;-)
Would someone/everyone mind commenting on these two books (Prospecting for Trout by Rosenbauer; Reading the Water by Hughes) . . . I’m certainly not casting this as a competition, just want to understand a little more about them from the always enlightening roff perspective. Thanks!
I just finished reading "Reading the Water" by Dave Hughes. I felt it would have been a better book with a few less words and a few more illustrations to illustrate what he was talking about. It was enjoyable reading though. HTH, Russell Thinkin’ RockTrout won’t be changin’ his order for this one.
I liked "Wisdom of the Guides" quite a bit. That was my raffle prize – did you win it? "Re-gifter"? ;-)
No no, I bought it new for the raffle. There were interviews with guys like Mike Lawson, which seemed appropriate for the Henry’s Fork Clave.
I know Prospecting for Trout fairly well. Rosenbauer is an Orvis bigwig, and I believe he has written some of their best books. The book was originally printed under a separate publisher. On recent printings, it’s being published by Orvis, as part of their "library" of fishing books. He also wrote a book on reading the water which might be better than Hughes’ by the way, simply because it has more and bigger pictures, and pictures are important for learning how to read water.
Alright Jeff, you talked me into getting the book. I also decided to pick up 3 others….:) All on sale right now at Amazon with free shipping!
I liked "Wisdom of the Guides" quite a bit. bruce h currently enjoying "The River Why"
I liked "Wisdom of the Guides" quite a bit.
Me too. Lots of good tidbits in that book. I thought that the author could do a whole series of books. It would be easy, just interview some more guides. Willi
I liked "Wisdom of the Guides" quite a bit.
That was my raffle prize – did you win it?
Would someone/everyone mind commenting on these two books (Prospecting for Trout by Rosenbauer; Reading the Water by Hughes) . . . I’m certainly not casting this as a competition, just want to understand a little more about them from the always enlightening roff perspective. Thanks!
Would someone/everyone mind commenting on these two books (Prospecting for Trout by Rosenbauer; Reading the Water by Hughes) . . . I’m certainly not casting this as a competition, just want to understand a little more about them from the always enlightening roff perspective. Thanks!
I know Prospecting for Trout fairly well. Rosenbauer is an Orvis bigwig, and I believe he has written some of their best books. He also grew up in my neck of the woods, and comes to visit from time to time. The book is mainly about how to fish when the dry fly fishing is off, i.e., how to approach a stream when you don’t see any fish rising, and you don’t know much about the water. I think its a very good book. — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply
I know Prospecting for Trout fairly well. Rosenbauer is an Orvis bigwig, and I believe he has written some of their best books.
The book was originally printed under a separate publisher. On recent printings, it’s being published by Orvis, as part of their "library" of fishing books. He also wrote a book on reading the water which might be better than Hughes’ by the way, simply because it has more and bigger pictures, and pictures are important for learning how to read water. The book is mainly about how to fish when the dry fly fishing is off, i.e., how to approach a stream when you don’t see any fish rising, and you don’t know much about the water. I think its a very good book.
When you don’t see fish rising, but not necessarily when dry fly fishing is off! Agreed, it’s very good for quickly sizing up water that you’ve never seen before – highly recommended.
I’m tying some PT Nymphs for a fly swap and decided to look at other patterns besides the one I’ve been tying in the past. I noticed that some have wings, while some just have the wing casing. Some people tie in lead, some copper wire, and some nothing at all for weight. Do you have a favorite recipe you use? Why? —
I like to use the Sawyer style PT nymph primarily because it is a good fish catching fly and is easy to tie up, requiring only PT fibres & fine copper wire (a little superglue is good to stop the wing case from being pulled apart by the trout’s teeth). The streams that I fish are rarely more than a few feet in depth, and so super fast sinking leaded flies are for me not required. The Sawyer PT nymphs are very streamlined in form, and this allows the fly to sink quite quickly given its mass.
You are correct, in the sawyer pattern the thorax is copper too. Clark "Scott Seidman" < I think Sawyer is a little more than all pheasant tail– its all pheasant – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – tail with copper wire used for thread. Takes seconds to tie, and sinks like a rock
I’m tying some PT Nymphs for a fly swap and decided to look at other patterns besides the one I’ve been tying in the past. I noticed that some have wings, while some just have the wing casing. Some people tie in lead, some copper wire, and some nothing at all for weight. Do you have a favorite recipe you use? Why?
I’ve never seen a PT nymph with "wings". I like Golden Pheasant tail rather than Ringneck Pheasant. Try it, and I think you’ll agree it has a slightly mottled look that is much more buggy looking. Of course, if you are imitating a specific nymph that is solid looking that won’t help. I color it with Pantone markers sometimes, olive or darker brown, etc. I’ve tried tying the original Sawyer Pheasant Tail, and I don’t like it. I’m sure it worked for him on his English chalk stream using his technique, but I don’t like "tying" them and I don’t like how they look for most of the streams I fish them in. I almost always use peacock for the thorax. If the peacock herl is long enough, you don’t need legs.
I can’t recall having a problem with tail PT fibres breaking away to the point I’ve discarded a fly –
And so what if a couple tail fibers fall off anyway? Most people tie in 4 or 5 fibers anway, and *that’s* not natural. If a couple fall off, you’ve still got 2 or 3.
Some of my mates prefer a clayton’s PT, (see the PTO in the flybox at http://www.flyflickers.com) where the tail used is red cock and the thorax is of brown seal. They like this brew because the tail (PT can be brittle in the tying) doesn’t break off while fishing. The thorax colour is to give a more uniform brown colouration to the fly – more like the natural. All well and good.
I like that. Also, you don’t need legs with that thorax, and using the copper wire like that, while still tying with thread, sounds like a good idea. I don’t understand the point in not using PT for the tail also, though.
There’s lots of styles and it’s hard to make bad one. I think they’re best in size 16 and below.
I agree. I fish Sawyer’s river, the Avon, and find this to be true there. Lazarus
I’m tying some PT Nymphs for a fly swap and decided to look at other patterns besides the one I’ve been tying in the past. I noticed that some have wings, while some just have the wing casing. Some people tie in lead, some copper wire, and some nothing at all for weight. Do you have a favorite recipe you use? Why? I’ve never seen a PT nymph with "wings".
My bad — I meant "legs" — TL, Tim
I generally tie PT’s unweighted in the American style. Sometimes I used a wingcase, sometimes not. Sometimes legs, sometimes not. I will also rib it with different color wire. I especially like red copper. I also use a PT as an emerger and usually add a small wing of CDC or filoplume.
The one I normally tie (the first one I learned) is this: http://tinyurl.com/204w As you can see, the pattern as described is unweighted. I fish it with split shot providing the sink mechanism. From what most people have said here, they prefer a weighted nymph over this pattern. I’ve always held the thought that the nymph would swim better unweighted, but I normally fish relatively slow moving water. You mentioned red copper wire. I’m assuming you’ve had better luck with this color vs. the copper color. Do you have any thoughts on what would cause the fish to react better to the red? Thanks to all for the input so far. — TL, Tim
You mentioned red copper wire. I’m assuming you’ve had better luck with this color vs. the copper color. Do you have any thoughts on what would cause the fish to react better to the red? I don’t know about that. I just like the way it looks and fish it more. Willi
I can’t recall having a problem with tail PT fibres breaking away to the point I’ve discarded a fly – And so what if a couple tail fibers fall off anyway? Most people tie in 4 or 5 fibers anway, and *that’s* not natural. If a couple fall off, you’ve still got 2 or 3. I use PT for the tails but they do tend to get broken off after a couple fish. I think the fly looks better with tails but I’m not sure the fish care. Willi
I’m tying some PT Nymphs for a fly swap and decided to look at other patterns besides the one I’ve been tying in the past. I noticed that some have wings, while some just have the wing casing. Some people tie in lead, some copper wire, and some nothing at all for weight. Do you have a favorite recipe you use? Why? — TL, Tim
I make the PT with copper thorax and ribbing but I don
I am wondering what type of experiences people have had fishing smallmouth in the Quetico in early September. We have a group who has gone on several spring trips thinking about a fall trip. Several of us are fly fishermen, so in particular, I’m wondering if the fish use shallow areas this time of year or if they begin to go deep. Thanks Peter Jonas Iron Mountain, MI
I am wondering what type of experiences people have had fishing smallmouth in the Quetico in early September. We have a group who has gone on several spring trips thinking about a fall trip. Several of us are fly fishermen, so in particular, I’m wondering if the fish use shallow areas this time of year or if they begin to go deep.
They are still deep in early Sept. Don’t forget they don’t care about the air temp., they care about the water temp. And by the end of Aug. the water is as warm there as it gets. Mornings and evenings might still be okay though. But otherwise think late Sept., early Oct. tgb
A couple of years ago I got caught up on FF list and attended a gathering in the Lake Placid area with a friend that lives in the area. We met a good bunch of folk that liked to party, smoke cigars, drink single malt and wear funny hats and my recently widowed buddy looked like scoring. On leaving on the Sunday I said to my friend, "what did you think", and he replied, "very wierd, non of ‘em can cast worth a shit" I guess it is different now because it is just not the computery types that haunt the list, but is it? The list has really changed not only in members but in content. I can remember getting shit for starting a thread that was only marginal flyfishing . Keep it up boys, it may not be flyfishing but it is entertaining and educating. Terry Ps what is the average lifespan for a patriarch on the list?
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple of years ago I got caught up on FF list and attended a gathering in the Lake Placid area with a friend that lives in the area. We met a good bunch of folk that liked to party, smoke cigars, drink single malt and wear funny hats and my recently widowed buddy looked like scoring. On leaving on the Sunday I said to my friend, "what did you think", and he replied, "very wierd, non of ‘em can cast worth a shit" I guess it is different now because it is just not the computery types that haunt the list, but is it? The list has really changed not only in members but in content. I can remember getting shit for starting a thread that was only marginal flyfishing . Keep it up boys, it may not be flyfishing but it is entertaining and educating. Terry Ps what is the average lifespan for a patriarch on the list?
Terry, now that you mention it, that’s how our first NC clave was I’ll never fergit IJ in that raffle hat that Jeff donated. What a sight Course, some of us can cast, aspersions that is. http://users.boone.net/wgw/clave.html everyone’s invited! Walt — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://www.bibliofind.com/cgi-bin/texis.exe/s/search/dhome.html?id=33…
terry, your post is more than a bit gehrke-esque… …guess we all have different measures or standards for determining the worth or nature of a fisherman. whether someone can "cast worth a shit" isn’t among any of my criteria for making a judgment (maybe cause i can’t cast worth a shit). i like what mcguane said: "Uncle Ben, was my father a good fisherman?" "No, Tommy, he was not. But no one loved it more." I prefer the company of fishermen who "love it", and could give a rip whether they can cast or even catch fish. I like fishing with them, and, if they like fishing with someone who "loves it", I think they’ll like fishing with me. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple of years ago I got caught up on FF list and attended a gathering in the Lake Placid area with a friend that lives in the area. We met a good bunch of folk that liked to party, smoke cigars, drink single malt and wear funny hats and my recently widowed buddy looked like scoring. On leaving on the Sunday I said to my friend, "what did you think", and he replied, "very wierd, non of ‘em can cast worth a shit" I guess it is different now because it is just not the computery types that haunt the list, but is it? The list has really changed not only in members but in content. I can remember getting shit for starting a thread that was only marginal flyfishing . Keep it up boys, it may not be flyfishing but it is entertaining and educating. Terry Ps what is the average lifespan for a patriarch on the list?
Terry, At the Spring ‘99 clave and the Fall Ball clave (Oct ‘99) I had the opportunity to observe, and fish with, a cross-section of roff participants and I can state that there are quite a number that can, indeed cast. Several can also catch fish. As for the consumption of single malt, cigars, etc, that has been raised to an art form. Evolving, I might add. During the in-between and subsequent periods, I have continued to sully my reputation by associating with some members of the aforementioned group: the downward spiral notwithstanding. The Darwinian progression of this group will eventually and undoubtedly, exceed any one individual’s ability to describe or define it. In the meantime, I will just wear my funny hat(s) and try to avoid anyone watching me cast.. about that…. And, you’re right, it’s not just "just not the computery types", there’re engineers here now….. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -. A couple of years ago I got caught up on FF list and attended a gathering in the Lake Placid area with a friend that lives in the area. We met a good bunch of folk that liked to party, smoke cigars, drink single malt and wear funny hats and my recently widowed buddy looked like scoring. On leaving on the Sunday I said to my friend, "what did you think", and he replied, "very wierd, non of ‘em can cast worth a shit" I guess it is different now because it is just not the computery types that haunt the list, but is it? The list has really changed not only in members but in content. I can remember getting shit for starting a thread that was only marginal flyfishing . Keep it up boys, it may not be flyfishing but it is entertaining and educating. Terry Ps what is the average lifespan for a patriarch on the list?
Ok folks, tommorow will be a one day snapshot of flyfishing accross the globe, all to be posted here for the world to enjoy. I will not be anywhere near a computer until Monday morning, so let’s decide what the header will be for our results so they’re all in one thread. I know some participants may post over the weekend, so for simplicity’s sake, let’s call it Fishing Day Results. Yes? No? I’ll be heading up to some high desert lakes myself, feeling pretty good about the prospects. We’ll see on Monday! JE
And for those who can’t fish tomorrow, Sunday the 18th will automatically be deleted and the 17th will carry over for another 24 hours. Big Al
Ok folks, tommorow will be a one day snapshot of flyfishing accross the globe, all to be posted here for the world to enjoy. I will not be anywhere near a computer until Monday morning, so let’s decide what the header will be for our results so they’re all in one thread. I know some participants may post over the weekend, so for simplicity’s sake, let’s call it Fishing Day Results. Yes? No? I’ll be heading up to some high desert lakes myself, feeling pretty good about the prospects. We’ll see on Monday! JE
Lucky b—-r, I’ll be stuck battling a fibreglas hatch on the Credit. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html
Ok folks, tommorow will be a one day snapshot of flyfishing accross the globe, all to be posted here for the world to enjoy. I will not be anywhere near a computer until Monday morning, so let’s decide what the header will be for our results so they’re all in one thread. I know some participants may post over the weekend, so for simplicity’s sake, let’s call it Fishing Day Results. Yes? No? I’ll be heading up to some high desert lakes myself, feeling pretty good about the prospects. We’ll see on Monday! JE
This is a good idea. We need an eight lined ‘Angler’s Toast’. Maybe we need three or four of them? Mike Connor, you have been challenged to supply the first entry. Possibly, we should have an "Angler’s Toast Contest?" for the Conclave?! shush! quiet everyone. There is a click of glasses and Wayne Harrison stands up to give a toast – "- ah?
Georg G: <<….shush! quiet everyone. There is a click of glasses and Wayne Harrison stands up to give a toast – "- ah? "Row tiddly row Defecate or bust Never let your testes Dangle in the dust." Hey, it worked in Japan 40+ years ago! Dave L.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Georg G: <<….shush! quiet everyone. There is a click of glasses and Wayne Harrison stands up to give a toast – "- ah? "Row tiddly row Defecate or bust Never let your testes Dangle in the dust." Hey, it worked in Japan 40+ years ago! Dave L.
— Mr. G. All Writings
Gruezi! Anybody out there have recommendations on decent streams in Switzerland for flyfishing? I am particularly interested in streams around Zurich, but would love to hear any other recommendations you might have. TIA, Sid
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Rogue River Rifleworks 1317 Spring Street Paso Robles, CA 93466 805/227-4706 805/227-4723 This is a new company neaded by Geoff Miller, who came from the aerospace industry and high power shoting. They make boxlock and side lock double rifles, and customize M88 Win lever guns into very high grade rifles. The double rifles use modern mfg methods to cut costs. I understand they use CNC machines and fitting techniques to eliminate the English hand regulation process. Boxlocks start at $11,750 (Anson & Deeley action, .470, .500 and .577 Nitro Express), sidelocks start at $17,250 (Holland & Holland Pattern, .470, .500 and .577 NE). The lever guns are $3,750 (.243 Win, .260 Rem, 7mm-08, .308 and .358 Win). I handled their guns at the SCI show in Las Vegas, and they are very nice. I particularily liked their M88 Win. Worth investigating. Quality is what you would expect at these prices. Craig Boddington (who now lives in Paso Robles) is their technical advisor…jim dodd San Diego
Can anyone name some hunting outfitters accessible by internet? Thanks
Contact Wayne Stufflebean at Ventures Outdoors(EMAIL) ventures Wayne has contacts with outfitters of all kinds. I booked a hunt through him this past year and was 100% pleased before, during and after the hunt. Cazadore
I’m a hunting outfitter and somewhat of a cyber junkie. Check out my pages. Can anyone name some hunting outfitters accessible by internet? Thanks
– Brian D. Nelson, Missoula, Montana Montana Flyfishing and Hunting Outfitter http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm http://www.montana.com/dno/hunt.htm
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg. Gregg From what I hear, find some not still frozen lakes. Water will be everywhere, not that one cannot fish during the run- off, it is just limiting. Harry June is usually a good month for dry flies on the Firehole inside the Park. Snow pack is at 200% in most of the Yellowstone area. Most rivers and tributaries will be high until Aug. Stick to the lakes. Guy
June is usually a good month for dry flies on the Firehole inside the Park.
There is no Firehole outside the Park. <g -AR
Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg.
Expect Snow! Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June?
– Brian D. Nelson, Missoula, Montana Montana Flyfishing and Hunting Outfitter http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm http://www.montana.com/dno/hunt.htm
Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg.
Gregg From what I hear, find some not still frozen lakes. Water will be everywhere, not that one cannot fish during the run- off, it is just limiting. Harry
My wife and I fished Yellowstone the last week of June 2 years ago when they had an unusually high run-off. The only river fishable was the Firehole.
I can give you updates from time to time, but the snowpack here in the wyoming mountains is very high this year- I will not be a pretty spring. I plan on starting my fishing in August (no, I’m not joking)
My wife and I fished Yellowstone the last week of June 2 years ago when they had an unusually high run-off. The only river fishable was the Firehole. We had pretty good luck about 3 miles below Old Faithful Inn – can’t remember the names of the river sections. Every other river we tried was so full of water you couldn’t reasonably fish them. I suggest you wait until after 15 July. J. Bjostad John Bjostad Columbia Heights, MN Retired avionics engineer – full time fly fishing addict
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg. Gregg From what I hear, find some not still frozen lakes. Water will be everywhere, not that one cannot fish during the run- off, it is just limiting. Harry
June is usually a good month for dry flies on the Firehole inside the Park.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg. Gregg From what I hear, find some not still frozen lakes. Water will be everywhere, not that one cannot fish during the run- off, it is just limiting. Harry June is usually a good month for dry flies on the Firehole inside the Park.
Hi Steve You are right, PMD’s are in full swing, as well as the Winnabago emergence and the evening Mini Van fall. Makes for some real fun back casting, at Fountain Flats one can hook a tuna sandwich and a Brown on the same cast HM
I believe the Vermont season opens in April
I am planning a family trip to Killington Vermont the 24th of January for a skiing vacation. Unfortunately I am pre- paid and am experiencing back problems so I am uncertain as to how uncomfortable skiing will be. If it is too painful I may hang up the skis for the flyrod. Anyone have any suggestions for some unfrozen and productive streams in the Killington vicinity that would be worth checking out? Fly patterns and other pertinent information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!
The Massachusetts season is open all year. You should be able to get to the Deerfield river or the Swift river within about an hour to an hour and a half from Killington. Both are tailwater rivers with catch-and- release areas. Fish small, slow and deep. Tight Lines, Gerry Crow