9X tippet

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Has anyone tried 9X tippet material?  Is it really more beneficial than 8X (or even 7X)?  Or is it just a ploy to get us to buy more spools? —

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Has anyone tried 9X tippet material?  Is it really more beneficial than 8X (or even 7X)?  Or is it just a ploy to get us to buy more spools?

Well, it’s thinner and more flexible, all else being the same.  But manufacturers fudge the numbers, so one company’s 5x is another’s 6x. Personally I use 11x – you know, for the sporting aspect of it.

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Has anyone tried 9X tippet material?  Is it really more beneficial than 8X (or even 7X)?  Or is it just a ploy to get us to buy more spools?

I use 9X leaders the following way: 1) cut off leader at butt 2) tie on 2X, 4X, and 6X to create taper 3) tie on fly Research shows I break off far fewer fish on 9X tippet this way.  :) — HTH, Tim

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   Has anyone tried 9X tippet material?  Is it really more beneficial than 8X  (or even 7X)?  Or is it just a ploy to get us to buy more spools?       I use 9X leaders the following way:   1) cut off leader at butt   2) tie on 2X, 4X, and 6X to create taper   3) tie on fly     Research shows I break off far fewer fish on 9X tippet this way.  :) What are you fishing for that you feel you need 9X tippet? Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Has anyone tried 9X tippet material?  Is it really more beneficial than 8X  (or even 7X)?  Or is it just a ploy to get us to buy more spools?   I use 9X leaders the following way:   1) cut off leader at butt   2) tie on 2X, 4X, and 6X to create taper   3) tie on fly   Research shows I break off far fewer fish on 9X tippet this way.  :) What are you fishing for that you feel you need 9X tippet?

I don’t. That was the point of my reply. I use mainly 6X, but sometimes 7X for more calm, clear water presentation. Most of the flies I use are #20 or larger so the finer tippet isn’t normally needed. — TL, Tim

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Personally I use 11x – you know, for the sporting aspect of it.

Certainly eliminates any drag, but you lose a lot of fish. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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That’s the gist of the question.  Why do you need it and when would you use it?  I break off enough fish using 7X.  I’m still debating the use of 8X and now they come out with 9X and … get this…. 10X!  I saw it on a web site recently. — | |

|   |  Has anyone tried 9X tippet material?  Is it really more beneficial | than 8X |  (or even 7X)?  Or is it just a ploy to get us to buy more spools? |   |   |   I use 9X leaders the following way: |   1) cut off leader at butt |   2) tie on 2X, 4X, and 6X to create taper |   3) tie on fly |   |   Research shows I break off far fewer fish on 9X tippet this way.  :) | | | What are you fishing for that you feel you need 9X tippet? | | Willi |

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I’m still debating the use of 8X and now they come out with 9X and … get this…. 10X!  I saw it on a web site recently.

I’d be curious to know the diameter of 10X or 11X. I did measure some 9x once, and it measured .0027, which is exactly .0003 less than 8x.  Hardly a significant difference. I’ll bet that 10X and 11X would measure somewhere around .0024/.0025. Using the standard X designations, 9X would measure .002, 10X .001, and 11X at a very stealthy .000. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Personally I use 11x – you know, for the sporting aspect of it. Certainly eliminates any drag, but you lose a lot of fish.

Never lost one yet!  ’course, haven’t hooked any either.

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Looks like you got some thin 9X.  The Classic and Custom flyshop web page has 9X and 10 X Varivas Tippet at 0.0028 and 0.0026, respectively.  The same chart rates them at 1.5 lb and 1.2 lb test.  For comparison, their 8 X is 0.003 at 1.8 lb test. —

| I’m still debating the use of 8X and | now they come out with 9X and … get this…. 10X!  I saw it on a web site | recently. | | I’d be curious to know the diameter of 10X or 11X. I did measure some 9x once, | and it measured .0027, which is exactly .0003 less than 8x.  Hardly a | significant difference. I’ll bet that 10X and 11X would measure somewhere | around .0024/.0025. Using the standard X designations, 9X would measure .002, | 10X .001, and 11X at a very stealthy .000. | | | George Adams | | "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was | worth the comin’ down." | ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Looks like you got some thin 9X.  The Classic and Custom flyshop web page has 9X and 10 X Varivas Tippet at 0.0028 and 0.0026, respectively.  The same chart rates them at 1.5 lb and 1.2 lb test.  For comparison, their 8 X is 0.003 at 1.8 lb test.

So the spread from 8X to 10X is a whopping .0004. That’s probably outside of their normal manufacturing tolance. I have seen a lot of tippet material in the 4X/5X range that deviates from nominal by .0005. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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9x ! I can’t convince myself to 6x (well, maybe once in a while if I’m fooling with the 2 wt) jh

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looks like you got some thin 9X.  The Classic and Custom flyshop web page has 9X and 10 X Varivas Tippet at 0.0028 and 0.0026, respectively.  The same chart rates them at 1.5 lb and 1.2 lb test.  For comparison, their 8 X is 0.003 at 1.8 lb test. So the spread from 8X to 10X is a whopping .0004. That’s probably outside of their normal manufacturing tolance. I have seen a lot of tippet material in the 4X/5X range that deviates from nominal by .0005. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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What are you fishing for that you feel you need 9X tippet?

    Neon tetras. Not just any neon tetras though, he’s getting his name in the record book.

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What are you fishing for that you feel you need 9X tippet?

You’ve never heard of The 69 Club ? 6# fish on 9X tippet and when you’re done the fish is licked. Your pal, TBone

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What are you fishing for that you feel you need 9X tippet?

The Great North American Smart-Assed Reply… TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Willi

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     Looks like you got some thin 9X.  The Classic and Custom flyshop web page  has 9X and 10 X Varivas Tippet at 0.0028 and 0.0026, respectively. The same  chart rates them at 1.5 lb and 1.2 lb test.  For comparison, their 8 X is  0.003 at 1.8 lb test.       So the spread from 8X to 10X is a whopping .0004. That’s probably outside of   their normal manufacturing tolance. I have seen a lot of tippet material in the   4X/5X range that deviates from nominal by .0005. Sounds like a gimmick to me. All other X designations from X4 down to 8X    vary progressively by .001. Their 9X should be 8.2X and their 10X – 8.4X. Willi

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<Splork Clark (Who always prefered 68,…. "You go for it and I’ll owe you 1)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What are you fishing for that you feel you need 9X tippet? You’ve never heard of The 69 Club ? 6# fish on 9X tippet and when you’re done the fish is licked. Your pal, TBone

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Sounds like a gimmick to me. All other X designations from X4 down to 8X   vary progressively by .001. Their 9X should be 8.2X and their 10X – 8.4X.

Exactly……basically it sounds like all repackaged 8X. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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What are you fishing for that you feel you need 9X tippet? The Great North American Smart-Assed Reply…

A measured judgement from the master of the genre. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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aspect of it.  Only 11x? Outhere in Kansas we take the big bass on 15x tied to an old Hogan Apex 4 iron with a piece of popcorn as a indicator with a Velvetta dropper. Best Wishes -Jeff

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sporting aspect of it.  Only 11x? Outhere in Kansas we take the big bass on 15x tied to an old Hogan Apex 4 iron with a piece of popcorn as a indicator with a Velvetta dropper. Best Wishes -Jeff

We’ve invented a 20X tippet material but can’t market it.  The reason is, after we spool it up with a thousand yards worth, the customer can’t find the end of it. Is this over-engineering? George Gehrke

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I have 20 spools of 30X for sale. Due to cutbacks we have been unable to obtain suitable packaging so these spools may just "appear" to be empty 4X and 5X spools. Anyone interested in purchasing can do so by contacting me. Each spool holds 50 meters of 30X flurocarbon and they are available as a bulk lot for only $50. Make checks payable to me please. Clark

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I’m still debating the use of 8X and now they come out with 9X and … get this…. 10X!  I saw it on a web site recently. I’d be curious to know the diameter of 10X or 11X. I did measure some 9x once, and it measured .0027, which is exactly .0003 less than 8x.

Yeah, but the 8x from the same company was probably .0036.

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Looks like you got some thin 9X.  The Classic and Custom flyshop web page has 9X and 10 X Varivas Tippet at 0.0028 and 0.0026, respectively.

How silly.

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sporting aspect of it.  Only 11x? Outhere in Kansas we take the big bass on 15x tied to an old Hogan Apex 4 iron with a piece of popcorn as a indicator with a Velvetta dropper. Best Wishes -Jeff

Since you’re using forged blades, I assume your line is silk.  I’m sure Hogan would approve, since "The feel of a [fish on silk line], travels up the [rod], into your hands and into your heart."

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Flyfishing in Kentucky??????

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Any experienced anglers have the goods on where to fish in Kentucky and what type of species there are here? Just moved here from Alaska and miss the fishing already. Thanks

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Not sure what you mean by experienced but assuming you mean trout. In Jimmy Jacobs book on Fly Fishing the Southern Applachians he mentions eastern KY briefly, and I remember him saying at a club meeting once "that he was disappointed" in what he found in the state. There is a tailwater fishery near Georgetown and several creeks, mostly stocked from about an hour east of Louisville to the border. I remember vaguely an Orvis shop near an outdoors store in Lousiville and another tackle shop with a good fly fishing selection. In Lexington i remember an Orvis shop in the mall near the Radison and another store in town which sold fly tackle. One of them, can’t remember which one gave me some directions to a few streams. I’ve not been back since 1998 and do not know if any of those places are still in business or what has changed. There is no shortage of water for bass and panfish however. Wayne

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Nile River cruising

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I rented a felluca for day sailing. I think that it would be little trouble to get one for a fair cruise.

Excellent idea, and definitely in my style. —      Mark Anderson – DBA Riparia Resources    www.riparia.org Medical info for cruisers and woodworkers.  Boatbuilding plans. Artistic photography       Landscapes – Nautical and marine – Abstracts, extracts and themes.

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I’m curious as to whether it is practical to cruise up and down the Nile R. with a private yacht. Legalities and other hassles: Practical draft limitations: Safety and pleasurability of your reception by the Egyptians: Any other information that may be of interest: —      Mark Anderson – DBA Riparia Resources    www.riparia.org

I rented a felluca for day sailing. I think that it would be little trouble to get one for a fair cruise. It would avoid all the problems of a rich-looking yacht. I’d not worry too much about piracy or big-deal problems. It’s petty theft that gets you. — Bernard W. Joseph     http://www.appliedgrammar.com   "Speak to us of Emailia."    James Joyce    FINNEGANS WAKE

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Last month I sailed a felucca from Aswan to Edfu, so based on limited knowledge of this stretch of water:

Thanks Tony, yours was the kind of info I was looking for.  As to the political climate, those responses are taken in mind, and as expected. For my own purposes, however, the time I might be taking this cruise will be at least several years into the future, so I’ll hope that the political situation might change by then.  In any event, it’ll be taken into account whenever, and probably I’d get the opinion of the state dept. first. —      Mark Anderson – DBA Riparia Resources    www.riparia.org Medical info for cruisers and woodworkers.  Boatbuilding plans. Artistic photography       Landscapes – Nautical and marine – Abstracts, extracts and themes.

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A rich American cruising his flashy yacht in the Middle East…… Now THERE’s a TARGET of OPPORTUNITY for you. Hated by millions of Arabs because of our undying support for the Israeli War Machine…..tearing up Palestinians. Can you answer your own question?  PLEASE DON’T!

When I was in Egypt a quite few years ago (just after Egypt and Israel "normalized" relations) the average Egyptian on the street preferred Israeli money to Egyptian money for the small cash purchases.  And that was after a 10 to 1 devaluation of Israeli money. Things certainly may have changed in the past 20 years but back then they were very friendly to American tourists.  The only thing that had me feeling unsafe was the way they drive, especially in and around Cairo.  You probably heard about driving in Italy.  Cairo is much worse. Steve

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Oh, I think the average Egyptian is still "American friendly".  Most Arabs I ever met when I lived there were very pro-American and simply LOVED Yankee dollars.  However, times have changed, not the people. This Al Queda network is only one of many anti-American networks with supporters across a wide spectrum of Arab countries.  Bombs are going off almost every day, now. Flashing the big yacht in their faces, and all the cash that goes along with it, attracts attention.  Word is passed to the network from the supporters who will never see their own cars, much less a flashy yacht.  The damned thing is a great "target" and would be a prize on any terrorist’s list.  Egypt is eat up with anti-Israeli, and therefore anti-American, groups. It just seems stupid to put the family, the boat and his personal safety in harm’s way flashing that yacht in their faces after 9/11. Middle East changed that day.  Until the "brothers" in Afghanistan get the word spread out that America is NOT the enemy, and saved them from the gangsters who were killing the country, I’d pick a nice, quiet island someplace for the flashy yacht full of Yankees.  With so MANY beautiful places on the planet, why take the chance? Larry We fail, miserably, to see how hated we are because of our support for Israel, no matter who they kill, no matter what they do.  You have to live in an Arab country to really feel it.

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Yotties are not tourists – we aren’t treated as tourists in most places, don’t use the same visas, don’t follow the same rules, processes, etc.  Most countries treat yotties same as commercial ships, fishing vessels, etc – crew lists, clearances, paid for visas, etc   They know we don’t stay in hotels, buy loads of tourist crap, spend big in restaurants, etc.  We’re not "respected" and "protected" in the same way at all.  We aren’t part of that industry. On Egypt – many cruising friends have transited the Suez and universally agreed (much to my disappointment) that Egypt is a miserable shithole of a country to cruise.  Big theft and bribe problems. They get through there as quickly as possible with as short and few stops as necessary. It’s much easier and safe to park the boat in Cypress in a marina and fly in/out of Egypt – as a respected and protected tourist. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [...] It just seems stupid to put the family, the boat and his personal safety in harm’s way flashing that yacht in their faces after 9/11. Middle East changed that day.  Until the "brothers" in Afghanistan get the word spread out that America is NOT the enemy, and saved them from the gangsters who were killing the country, I’d pick a nice, quiet island someplace for the flashy yacht full of Yankees.  With so MANY beautiful places on the planet, why take the chance? Personally, I don’t think it would be all that much of a chance.  At least compared to many other beautiful places people cruise to.  Egypt definitely had a problem a while ago with terrorists attacking visitors.  But from what I’ve heard, they cracked down on them pretty hard.  A large part of their economy is based on tourism, so there’s a big incentive to keep tourists safe. Larry We fail, miserably, to see how hated we are because of our support for Israel, no matter who they kill, no matter what they do.  You have to live in an Arab country to really feel it. That’s just not true for the average person you meet in many Arab countries, including Egypt, especially Egypt. Steve

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[...] It just seems stupid to put the family, the boat and his personal safety in harm’s way flashing that yacht in their faces after 9/11. Middle East changed that day.  Until the "brothers" in Afghanistan get the word spread out that America is NOT the enemy, and saved them from the gangsters who were killing the country, I’d pick a nice, quiet island someplace for the flashy yacht full of Yankees.  With so MANY beautiful places on the planet, why take the chance?

Personally, I don’t think it would be all that much of a chance.  At least compared to many other beautiful places people cruise to.  Egypt definitely had a problem a while ago with terrorists attacking visitors.  But from what I’ve heard, they cracked down on them pretty hard.  A large part of their economy is based on tourism, so there’s a big incentive to keep tourists safe. Larry We fail, miserably, to see how hated we are because of our support for Israel, no matter who they kill, no matter what they do.  You have to live in an Arab country to really feel it.

That’s just not true for the average person you meet in many Arab countries, including Egypt, especially Egypt. Steve

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Last month I sailed a felucca from Aswan to Edfu, so based on limited knowledge of this stretch of water: Draft limitation: most of the cruise boats had a draft of 4 feet or 4′ 6".  Our felucca had a centre board so that we could pull into the bank. Buoyage: Almost non existent.  There are shallows and a few rocks. Local knowledge desirable. Wind:  Prevailing wind in this Southern stretch is Northerly (i.e. against the stream) so one can tack North with the stream or run South against it. Height:  The bridge North of Aswan is not yet complete – awaiting the final span.  When finished this would restrict mast height to that of the big cruise boats (30 – 40 feet at a guess). Formalities: I don’t know details, but almost certainly Yes.  Our felucca captain had to advise the police of our trip. Pleasure:  Definitely!  We swam in the river (no crocs below the High Dam), saw water buffalo, ibises etc.  We found people universally friendly, although a strong feeling that America would do anything to support Israel to the detriment of Arab states. Tony Boas Sadler 34 – Bold Warrior – Southampton, UK.

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themes.

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Irving Johnson did his "TwiLight" cruise through the canals of Europe and up the Nile just before the Aswan dam was complete. I have the video here and it looks like a nice cruise. His boat was about 50 ft and moderate draft (not over 5 ft or he wouldn’t have been able to do the canals of Europe). I went to Egypt for a visit back in the mid 80s while I was working in Saudi Arabia. There was no problem as long as you didn’t have any Israeli stamps in you passport. I would imagine the climate is rather hostle now-a-days. I’d be more worried about stopping in Alexandria or transiting the Red Sea and it wouldn’t be the Egyptions that i would be afraid of. My opinion and experience, FWIW. Steve s/v Good Intentions

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A rich American cruising his flashy yacht in the Middle East…… Now THERE’s a TARGET of OPPORTUNITY for you. Hated by millions of Arabs because of our undying support for the Israeli War Machine…..tearing up Palestinians. Can you answer your own question?  PLEASE DON’T! larry I’d love to back to the Middle East where I lived and worked in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Bahrain.  But, not now.  Not after 9/11/2001, PLEASE DON"T! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m curious as to whether it is practical to cruise up and down the Nile R. with a private yacht. Legalities and other hassles: Practical draft limitations: Safety and pleasurability of your reception by the Egyptians: Any other information that may be of interest: —     Mark Anderson – DBA Riparia Resources    www.riparia.org Medical info for cruisers and woodworkers.  Boatbuilding plans. Artistic photography      Landscapes – Nautical and marine – Abstracts, extracts and themes.

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I’m curious as to whether it is practical to cruise up and down the Nile R. with a private yacht. Legalities and other hassles: Practical draft limitations: Safety and pleasurability of your reception by the Egyptians: Any other information that may be of interest: —      Mark Anderson – DBA Riparia Resources    www.riparia.org Medical info for cruisers and woodworkers.  Boatbuilding plans. Artistic photography       Landscapes – Nautical and marine – Abstracts, extracts and themes.

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Again with northern Mich.

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I fish the manistee below m-72 when i can get the chance. I know the betsie much better though. I was on the manistee for the hex hatch this year. way too many bugs though. i didnt think i could ever be chased off of a river. mu i totally agree with you. I went onto steelheadsite and told everyone how i went to missouri and people that i met there told me that every one they met on their trip to michigan was arrogant. i no  longer wanted to be associated with fly fisherman. I just ignore it now though. if you are arrogant on the water to me. I will let you know. steelheadsite is a decent place. i met a guy off of there and he taught me a lifetime of things in 4 hours. great fisherman, great guy. dont judge everybody. but i do understand your prejudging of most of us fly fisherman. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks guys for the replys. A couple of years ago I was able to get us going with an information chain relative to the action on the rivers. I for reasons beyond control dropped out of sight and have only recenmtly returned here and to the rivers. Any one else like to get something like this moving? I will do my part if anyone is interested. Fished the Jordan Last weekend with moderate success. The stretches below Rogers brige produced a couple of hefty bows and two snmaller browns. Being the afternoon and fairly bright that is not surprising. I used a Light Cahill (10) and a Royal coachman bucktail (8) I tie with flashabu instead of bucktail. This is also a good spot for a Royal Wulf in a variety of sizes. Anybody fishing the Manistee below m-72? Tight Lines M. William Olson

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fish it every year. Know a couple of holes where big trout and hexes go hand in hand. As to further info, see www.troutbums.com/forums. Info from my friends is water is kind of warm, going to do the upper mannistee Tuesday morning, near where some springs come into it. Thanks guys for the replys. A couple of years ago I was able to get us going with an information chain relative to the action on the rivers. I for reasons beyond control dropped out of sight and have only recenmtly returned here and to the rivers. Any one else like to get something like this moving? I will do my part if anyone is interested. Fished the Jordan Last weekend with moderate success. The stretches below Rogers brige produced a couple of hefty bows and two snmaller browns. Being the afternoon and fairly bright that is not surprising. I used a Light Cahill (10) and a Royal coachman bucktail (8) I tie with flashabu instead of bucktail. This is also a good spot for a Royal Wulf in a variety of sizes. Anybody fishing the Manistee below m-72? Tight Lines M. William Olson

Upper Manistee? As in Deward area? I have a couple of buddies taht love that section, I have never been there with them and can never quite seem to find the right spot. Lots of pretty water though. Small but gorgeous. Let me know how you do please?

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Fish it every year. Know a couple of holes where big trout and hexes go hand in hand. As to further info, see www.troutbums.com/forums. Info from my friends is water is kind of warm, going to do the upper mannistee Tuesday morning, near where some springs come into it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks guys for the replys. A couple of years ago I was able to get us going with an information chain relative to the action on the rivers. I for reasons beyond control dropped out of sight and have only recenmtly returned here and to the rivers. Any one else like to get something like this moving? I will do my part if anyone is interested. Fished the Jordan Last weekend with moderate success. The stretches below Rogers brige produced a couple of hefty bows and two snmaller browns. Being the afternoon and fairly bright that is not surprising. I used a Light Cahill (10) and a Royal coachman bucktail (8) I tie with flashabu instead of bucktail. This is also a good spot for a Royal Wulf in a variety of sizes. Anybody fishing the Manistee below m-72? Tight Lines M. William Olson

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Thanks guys for the replys. A couple of years ago I was able to get us going with an information chain relative to the action on the rivers. I for reasons beyond control dropped out of sight and have only recenmtly returned here and to the rivers. Any one else like to get something like this moving? I will do my part if anyone is interested. Fished the Jordan Last weekend with moderate success. The stretches below Rogers brige produced a couple of hefty bows and two snmaller browns. Being the afternoon and fairly bright that is not surprising. I used a Light Cahill (10) and a Royal coachman bucktail (8) I tie with flashabu instead of bucktail. This is also a good spot for a Royal Wulf in a variety of sizes. Anybody fishing the Manistee below m-72? Tight Lines M. William Olson

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Thanks guys for the replys. A couple of years ago I was able to get us going with an information chain relative to the action on the rivers.

You should check out http://www.steelheadsite.com/reports/michigan/ After lurking there for a while you’ll figure out who the serious anglers are.  Try to get in contact with them.  Once in a while a biologist from among a few of the more trustworthy and non-idiotic regulars.  I used to try to post thoughtful stuff there but found that ROFF is a far better place for really interesting and substantive discussion.  As far as reports go, yes, ROFF ain’t such a great place for sharing info on your local streams.  However I did meet a wonderful gentleman named Wayne Williams here on ROFF and we went fishing up on the Manistee.  Capital fellow with top manners and Southern hospitality.  FWIW though, I stayed away from fly fishing for a long time because most (with a few exceptions) of the FFers I met afield in Michigan were real jerks.  During my time in Michigan I basically was a self-taught fly angler.  Taught myself to cast from books and videos.  Taught myself to tie flies and build rods.  Most of the FFers I’ve met so far in California have been extremely friendly, helpful and generous – to the point that it’s very surprising. Mu

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Went below the CCC bridge a couple of months ago. Very nice time. Lots of action even though the size left a lot to be desired. All went back in, so they are there for you to enjoy as well. Did do some FFing above the bridge but did not have as much luck. WLM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks guys for the replys. A couple of years ago I was able to get us going with an information chain relative to the action on the rivers. I for reasons beyond control dropped out of sight and have only recenmtly returned here and to the rivers. Any one else like to get something like this moving? I will do my part if anyone is interested. Fished the Jordan Last weekend with moderate success. The stretches below Rogers brige produced a couple of hefty bows and two snmaller browns. Being the afternoon and fairly bright that is not surprising. I used a Light Cahill (10) and a Royal coachman bucktail (8) I tie with flashabu instead of bucktail. This is also a good spot for a Royal Wulf in a variety of sizes. Anybody fishing the Manistee below m-72? Tight Lines M. William Olson

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Glacier National Park

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We camped right by a water fall. Barb-Animal lover, nature lover, camper, and mom.

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<<I am planning to visit Glacier National Park in September of 2000.  I’d like suggestions on flyfishing and accomodations there.  Thank you. We tent camped/backpacked there about 9 years ago. My gosh we saw so many grizzly bears. I didn’t sleep too good at night. Every noise I heard freaked me out. Barb-Animal lover, nature lover, camper, and mom.

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I am planning to visit Glacier National Park in September of 2000.  I’d like suggestions on flyfishing and accomodations there.  Thank you.

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NEED INFO: Surf Fishing Morro Bay area

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I just returned from the Morro Bay area, and noticed many people fishing in the surf with light weight spinning tackle and hooking a decent number of surf perch of good size.  Can anybody tell me of patterns that can be used to fly fish this area of the coast from the surf? With minimal wind,what size rod and type of line should I use. Thanks for any information provided.

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I just returned from the Morro Bay area, and noticed many people fishing in the surf with light weight spinning tackle and hooking a decent number of surf perch of good size.  Can anybody tell me of patterns that can be used to fly fish this area of the coast from the surf? With minimal wind,what size rod and type of line should I use. Thanks for any information provided.

Try a sinking line with a crab pattern.  A 7-8 wt setup seems to be the preferred setup. Wes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Anyone know where i can download a fly fishing or trout screen saver for free? thanks grant

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Yellowstone this week

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I am traveling to Last Chance, ID for the weekend.  I would appreciate any reports on conditions on the Henry’s Fork and the rivers in the park, especially the Firehole.  Suggestion for flies and sizes will be appreciated (I’ve been tying mostly small caddis dries, princes, and GRHE — sizes 16 & 18). Thanks. Jim Impara

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I am traveling to Last Chance, ID for the weekend.  I would appreciate any reports on conditions on the Henry’s Fork and the rivers in the park, especially the Firehole.  Suggestion for flies and sizes will be appreciated (I’ve been tying mostly small caddis dries, princes, and GRHE — sizes 16 & 18). Thanks. Jim ImparaHi Jim

The whole area is fishing good.  Your choice of flies are right on but add some BWO dries and emergers as well. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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BONEFISH – KEYS

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ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR A GOOD GUIDE FOR BONEFISH IN THE KEYS AROUND THE MARATHON AREA??  THANKS

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Give a call to Capt. Geoff Colmes at 305-853-0741 or 305 451-8911.  This guy works hard and will get you onto fish.  Good luck! Clay

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I’d suggest Captain Craig Brewer in Islamarado.  I fished with him a couple of times for bones and tarpon.  Excellent guide who really goes the extra mile to put you on the fish.  Don’t have Craig’s number handy but I’m sure he’s listed.  If you speak to him, please say hello from me and my fishing buddy Reed Guice. David Sheffield Los Angeles

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Captain Craig Brewer is a very capable guide but a jerk.  If you are not an accomplished caster, try someone else. He yelled at my 72-year-old father, a fly fisherman for 50 years,  for casting to 1:00 rather than 2:00 .Brewer ruined our outing.

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I would suggest u call Sandy Moret at Florida Keys Fly Fishing School in Islamorada. He can put u on a good guide. Tell him your experience level and type fish you want to try..  If this is ur first time in the salt I would suggest that u tell him u want to wade fish. Believe me it is much easier than fishing from a skiff the first time or two. U are not dependent on the guide getting the boat into a position for you. Also u are not going to be able to cast as far as u would like on the first trip. Above all practice ur double haul and practice in the wind. Good luck. Jack Schmitt Cumberland Transit Flyfishing Nashville, Tenn. A 30 Year veteran of the salt.

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Captain Craig Brewer is a very capable guide but a jerk.  If you are not an accomplished caster, try someone else. He yelled at my 72-year-old father, a fly fisherman for 50 years,  for casting to 1:00 rather than 2:00 .Brewer ruined our outing.

With so many good guides in the Keys, there is just no good reason to fish with a horses ass. Try Bill Massey out of Islamorada.  I fished with him the day before that hurricane hit Fla. in early June.  He put me on several tarpon, but we couldn’t connect.  When it became clear we couldn’t fish any of his best spots because of the high waves, wind and rain, he suggested that the best bet might be to face reality and call it a day after 3 hours.  We settled on a reasonable fee.  I appreciated not having a guide drive me around on a boat or have me cast to barren water all day just to make a buck.

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Good words aboout Massey…he knows you’ll come back.. And he does put you on fish..Don’t anyone tell him this is on here….don’t want his head to swell

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Fishing in Telluride?

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My girlfriend (a novice fisherperson) will be in Telluride mid-June for the Bluegrass Festival and she wants to do some fishing in the area.  Is there a fly store in the town worth sending her to where they can help with her fly selection and/or good places to fish.  Non-serious replies can be directed to alt.rec.erotica. Thanks in advance,         EMM — Edwin M. Maynard                          Department of Bioengineering phone: (801) 581-3817                     Moran Laboratories fax: (801) 585-5361                       506 Biopolymer Research Building                                           Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 Play hard, play fair, but most importantly just play.

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I do not recall a fly shop in town.  However, I would call Scott Fly Rods, who are now located in that town and ask them for either guides or info. They may have a B&B destination place in the area.  I thought I recalled seeing a flyer for that. Hope this helps –jim *                                                     *

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edwin- she can go to Olympic Sports (which in 91-92 timeframe sold Orvis equip.). typically at this time of year the run off is still pretty high in the San Miguel River (which runs through town and down valley). The river also experiences a huge impact thbluegrass weekend due to a 1000% increase in the population fo telluride during the festival. the fishing in the san miguel is a lot of fun, and olympic sports should be able to give her a good fly selection (and a guide if necessary). she could also check out alta, trout, or priest lakes which are in the area. -ted

: My girlfriend (a novice fisherperson) will be in Telluride mid-June for : the Bluegrass Festival and she wants to do some fishing in the area.  Is : there a fly store in the town worth sending her to where they can help : with her fly selection and/or good places to fish.  Non-serious replies : can be directed to alt.rec.erotica. : Thanks in advance, :       EMM : — : Edwin M. Maynard                          Department of Bioengineering : phone: (801) 581-3817                     Moran Laboratories : fax: (801) 585-5361                       506 Biopolymer Research Building :                                         Salt Lake City, Utah 84112 : Play hard, play fair, but most importantly just play.

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