For over thirty years now, I have been fishing with the fly, when I started, downstream wet, and then a little upstream with a dry, I moved on then to streamers, and with these an odd good fish did kill, and these increased the more I learned, and always were a thrill, and then one day I met a man fishing very tiny weighted things, fascinated then I watched, as he caught fish on nearly all his flings. I rushed down to the tackle shop and bought a set of these fine flies, and in the intervening years, I have learned to use mostly my own ties, the flies look perfect, and occasionally I catch a decent fish, but I am still consumed I fear with one large all embracing wish, After all these years of trying, I would give anything for the barest glimpse, of knowledge skill and understanding on how to fish with F***ing nymphs ! TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For over thirty years now, I have been fishing with the fly, when I started, downstream wet, and then a little upstream with a dry, I moved on then to streamers, and with these an odd good fish did kill, and these increased the more I learned, and always were a thrill, and then one day I met a man fishing very tiny weighted things, fascinated then I watched, as he caught fish on nearly all his flings. I rushed down to the tackle shop and bought a set of these fine flies, and in the intervening years, I have learned to use mostly my own ties, the flies look perfect, and occasionally I catch a decent fish, but I am still consumed I fear with one large all embracing wish, After all these years of trying, I would give anything for the barest glimpse, of knowledge skill and understanding on how to fish with F***ing nymphs ! TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de
– Regards, Jeff Before you buy.
Anyone out here from Oregon? Would like to know a few good spots for flyfishing in the Portland Metro area. Thanks! Brent
–I vote that you drive the Columbia river gorge to the mouth of the Deschutes river. It’s exactly 100 miles from Portland, it should take you 1 and 3/4 hours. In the latter part of July the summer fish will be there….hang on and be ready to swim, these are some of the meanest steelhead around. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.
Anyone out here from Oregon? Would like to know a few good spots for flyfishing in the Portland Metro area. Thanks! Brent
Trillium Lake for stcok trout or Hagg Lake southwest of metro area for smallmouth bass.
<< Anyone out here from Oregon? Would like to know a few good spots for flyfishing in the Portland Metro area. Thanks! Brent How far from the Metro area would you go? "Reality is an escape for people who don’t (fly) fish"
… "Reality is an escape for people who don’t (fly) fish"
"Reality is the leading cause of stress among those who are in touch with it." -Jane Wagner- — Ken Fortenberry
Anyone out here from Oregon? Would like to know a few good spots for flyfishing in the Portland Metro area. Thanks! Brent
I would make the drive to the Deschutes. Or an hour closer is the McKenzie. If you just want to kill an hour or two, head down to where the Clackamas meets the Willamette and catch a few warmwater fish. If you feel like chasing steelhead, then the Clackamas, Sandy, Salmon are all good. Now if you would just like to sit back and cyber-fish, click this link and see if you can figure out how to catch the trout swimming across your PC monitor… http://www.AquaHabitat.com/cyberquarium.html There is one other alternative: build your own lake and catch great fish right out your backdoor. enjoy! Before you buy.
Anyone out here from Oregon? Would like to know a few good spots for flyfishing in the Portland Metro area. Thanks! Brent I would make the drive to the Deschutes. Or an hour closer is the McKenzie.
The McKenzie is an hour closer than the Deschutes from Portland??? Isn’t the McKenzie down by Eugene? - Ken
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out here from Oregon? Would like to know a few good spots for flyfishing in the Portland Metro area. Thanks! Brent I would make the drive to the Deschutes. Or an hour closer is the McKenzie. The McKenzie is an hour closer than the Deschutes from Portland??? Isn’t the McKenzie down by Eugene? - Ken
Yeah the McKenzie is at the north end of Eugene, it takes me about an hour and a half to get there from portland, if the cops aren’t thick! Before you buy.
Anyone out here from Oregon? Would like to know a few good spots for flyfishing in the Portland Metro area. Thanks! Brent
Anyone out here from Oregon? Would like to know a few good spots for flyfishing in the Portland Metro area.
The Sandy and Salmon rivers to the east and the Trask and Wilson rivers to the west. Some will tell you to go to the Deschutes, but I have a problem calling a 3 hour drive being in the Metro area. There are a ton of rivers within a 3 hour drive. Good luck, - Ken
I now wade the same water *without* the scarey vibrations.
I get the vibrations even with my Folstaf. That tells me I better not walk into that water. Mu
Hello: Who is the manufacturer of Folstaff wading staffs? Bob
Hello: Who is the manufacturer of Folstaff wading staffs?
Fly-Tyer
Friday, December 12, 1997 8:34:01 PM I make a small stream fly fishing magazine on the internet. Dedicated to the small stream enthusiast, the site contains articles freshly penned by John Shewey, (Ron Cordes and Gary LaFontain soon). Equipment and techniques, all of the areas that I think you may want to review. I hope that you enjoy the site as much as the fly anglers who have already visited. Thank you very much, adam Small Stream Fly Fishing http://www.smallstreams.com
… Small Stream Fly Fishing http://www.smallstreams.com
This site is really quite nice. I’d like to see more photos and text describing the surrounding wildlife: trees, birds, etc. Your photos are very good; it’s nice seeing pictures of the fish not all dominated by the fisher! - jqt –
I surf a lot of newsgroups because of varied interests: computers, boats, backpacking, motorcycles, science, and fishing. By far this NG has been the most enjoyable and informative. Flyfishers are definitely a unique group. Good fishing to all of you.
I surf a lot of newsgroups because of varied interests: computers, boats, backpacking, motorcycles, science, and fishing. By far this NG has been the most enjoyable and informative. Flyfishers are definitely a unique group. Good fishing to all of you.
I guess that just shows that it isn’t necessarily the topic that determines the quality of a newsgroup (though there are obvious exceptions) but the people that contribute to it. This group has more then it’s share of quality contributors. John Fereira Stop Unsolicited Commercial Email – Join CAUCE (http://www.cauce.org) Support HR 1748, the anti-spam bill.
I surf a lot of newsgroups because of varied interests: computers, boats, backpacking, motorcycles, science, and fishing. By far this NG has been the most enjoyable and informative. Flyfishers are definitely a unique group. Good fishing to all of you. Stick around – You might even learn to like fly fishing! Jon Porter
Jim Shearer writes: I am new to your news group and am enjoying a great deal. A lsot of info. so I will continue to be present. A little about myself: I have been tying flies for 46 years and have gone semi-commercial,planning on going commercial 100 % sometime in after I retire in July of 98. I losve going and tying for new flyfishers a conclaves and am always interested in new flies and materials. If you think you can learn all of this sport in 46 years FORGET IT. I hope to have a long and enjoyful career of fly fishing and tying for many years to come. Thanks for the group. Jim Shearer The Goofus Bug 6302 W 11 th Ct. kennewick,WA 99338 If no one has tried it and has time to read 100 plus messages a day try : We enjoy fly swaps and a lot of info.. So much info. per day I have to shut down the list from time to time to get time to tie flies. Enjoy.
We’re looking to go fishing in Spain next spring. Having given up on the guide books I am keen to find out if anyone has been or knows of any places to go to etc. Thanks James
We’re looking to go fishing in Spain next spring. Having given up on the guide books I am keen to find out if anyone has been or knows of any places to go to etc. Thanks James
James… I met a Spanish trout fishermen on the internet who may be able to give you some leads. His name is Paco…and he can be reached at If you go, let me know. Bob
i will be near the home of orvis next weekend and don’t have much of a clue. whats a good way to get started ? instructions? or just wing it? P.S. what flies should I use if i wing it?
Mark, Good questions. How quickly do you learn? quick….then you can probably just wing it…if not then maybe lessons are not a bad idea. Most folks benefit from a lesson….reading a book like the LL Bean Fly Fishing Handbook by Whitlock would help. If you are more visually inclined then maybe the Jack Dennis video is better for you. Flies to use now include the elk hair caddis, prince nymphs, white millers, beadhead nymphs, and Adams dries. This is just the tip of the iceberg so to speak. I am happy to answer any questions that may arise for you. Best of luck. James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle
i will be near the home of orvis next weekend and don’t have much of a clue. whats a good way to get started ? instructions? or just wing it? P.S. what flies should I use if i wing it?
I read an article in a magazine that said, "although midge pupae are often fished with considerable patience on long greased leaders…" What does a greased leader do? How and why should you use it? Thanks. – Harald
I read an article in a magazine that said, "although midge pupae are often fished with considerable patience on long greased leaders…" What does a greased leader do? How and why should you use it? Thanks.
It floats. British books on lake fishing tell you how many feet of the leader to grease, so that the buzzer (chrironomid pupa fly) sinks, but only a few inches. But N.American flies (and stillwater ecology in general) are different…. — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs, | | Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734 |
I read an article in a magazine that said, "although midge pupae are often fished with considerable patience on long greased leaders…" What does a greased leader do? How and why should you use it? Thanks. - Harald
If you want a light pattern like a midge to suspend close to the water surface you put floatant on the leader, and this will stop the fly from going too deep, The leader so treated will be a little more obvious to the trout. This may be irrelevant these days since there are many suspender midge patterns which hold their possition due to matterials like foam cases. Thomas
It just means it has some floatant rubbed on it so it floats instead of sinking under the water film. Usually just rubbing some of your fly floatation goop on your leader to keep it from going under will work fine.
: What about Rain-X. It is basically Silicon based with alcohol. It works : on winshields and I have seen it use on film projectors for similar purposes : "slickening", etc. It doesn’t hurt the estar of the films so it might not effect : the fly line. Any thoughts? It’s your flyline. Go ahead and try it out! I don’t think it would be a good idea for this product. There are just too many flyline dressings out there for a similar cost. Jon Porter
Been there, done that, works fine, no guilt (what is 1 gram of Armor-All on my line going to hurt???) Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons..
OK. 2,000 kg of Armor All in 60 Trillion gallons of water = nothing. I’m not insenstive to the need for environmental responsibility, but like everything else, it can be taken to ridiculous extremes. Gene
Re: armor all. I have used it for ten years and it is terrific. It still is. I havent noticed any formula change. Its especially great because its so easy to appy, so you can do it streamside if your line starts to get water logged. GREAT STUFF, and 1/4 the price of commercial dressings, some of which are decidedly "armor all-like". Dale Owens
Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides…
As I recall, Armor-all is petroleum based? Read the label. If you wouldn’t douse your fly line in gasoline to clean it, don’t use it. -David Buschhorn
Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons.. OK. 2,000 kg of Armor All in 60 Trillion gallons of water = nothing. I’m not insenstive to the need for environmental responsibility, but like everything else, it can be taken to ridiculous extremes.
I agree Gene. I posted that I used Armorall a couple of days ago and got a couple flames from the eco-correct crowd. I suppose they all ride their bicycles to get to their fishing holes. And I’m sure none of them use lead split shot, right? Dale
As I recall, Armor-all is petroleum based? Read the label. If you wouldn’t douse your fly line in gasoline to clean it, don’t use it.
Uh, gee, come to think of it, your fly line is "petroleum based" too. I don’t use armor-all on my fly line for the same reason I don’t use it on my car interior. It makes it look great for a few days, after which it dries out and looks worse than it did in the first place. — -Wayne Trzyna
Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons.. OK. 2,000 kg of Armor All in 60 Trillion gallons of water = nothing. I’m not insenstive to the need for environmental responsibility, but like everything else, it can be taken to ridiculous extremes. I agree Gene. I posted that I used Armorall a couple of days ago and got a couple flames from the eco-correct crowd. I suppose they all ride their bicycles to get to their fishing holes. And I’m sure none of them use lead split shot, right? Dale
well, dale and gene, add the voice of this southern liberal to your chorus of amazement: how can these people be real. the enemy is their republican congressman, not someone who uses amorall on their fly line, auto, hat, or ass. a. wayne harrison
Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… (may not be too environmental-friendly though) — Lockheed Martin EIS Orlando, FL
Armor-all as a flyline dressing? No, Frank, not yet, but I use it on my rods. It prevents the ‘grabbing & dragging’ of mono in the rain and seems to improve casting accuracy. Grant
: Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it : would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… This stuff is very effective as a flyline dressing. The product is a plasticizer, which is good a filling in minor cracks and scuffing on the line. It also does lube the line and make it very slippery. If you have never dressed the line before, you will see an increase in your casting distance. The line may float higher too. : (may not be too environmental-friendly though) The trick here is to buff off the excess with a clean, dry rag. When I apply the stuff to my lines, I use two coats for the first time. Let it dry, and then run it through a rag. This will remove the excess that you would otherwise see as an "oil slick" on the surface of the water. Jon Porter –If you are concerned about enviromentally friendly fishing, try products put out by Loon Outdoors. All their stuff is earth friendly!
Been there, done that, works fine, no guilt (what is 1 gram of Armor-All on my line going to hurt???)
Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons….. "What is 1 gram going to hurt ?" DuPont and Co. 1976 -Dan-
Been there, done that, works fine, no guilt (what is 1 gram of Armor-All on my line going to hurt???) Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons….. -Dan-
Then divide it by 10 million miles of stream dispersing that product and factor it by the amount of gasoline you burn getting to your favorite fishing hole to see that theatrics are not a productive use of your time. Charley
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Frank Hinson) writes: Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… Used to be good for fly lines, but they changed their formula a number of years ago and you don’t want to use it on your lines now. They will work great for a short while but will crack prematurely. With the new coatings on the lines and the new formula for Armour-all, l the plasticisers (which keep the line supple) are prematurely released out of the pvc coating causing cracks and deteriation. Leeches the life out of your lines. "303 Protectant" is a similar product that will keep your lines slippery longer by adding plasticisers to the coatings instead of leaching them out. You can get it by the bottle at auto parts places or in single use pads from Orvis. Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools
What about Rain-X. It is basically Silicon based with alcohol. It works on winshields and I have seen it use on film projectors for similar purposes "slickening", etc. It doesn’t hurt the estar of the films so it might not effect the fly line. Any thoughts?
(Frank Hinson) writes: Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides…
Used to be good for fly lines, but they changed their formula a number of years ago and you don’t want to use it on your lines now. They will work great for a short while but will crack prematurely. With the new coatings on the lines and the new formula for Armour-all, l the plasticisers (which keep the line supple) are prematurely released out of the pvc coating causing cracks and deteriation. Leeches the life out of your lines. "303 Protectant" is a similar product that will keep your lines slippery longer by adding plasticisers to the coatings instead of leaching them out. You can get it by the bottle at auto parts places or in single use pads from Orvis. Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again. So what if they eat other fish? If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… (may not be too environmental-friendly though) — Lockheed Martin EIS Orlando, FL I think the guides in Florida have been using Armor-all for over 20 years. I have never tried it. I understand that armour all used to be a very popular line cleaner and dressing, however, they have apparently changed their formulation and the new stuff cause fly lines to leach. It is best if you od not use it. Ian Scott Wishbone Custom Rods http://credit.headwaters.com/wishbone
William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA
Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… (may not be too environmental-friendly though)
Been there, done that, works fine, no guilt (what is 1 gram of Armor-All on my line going to hurt???) Gene
Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… (may not be too environmental-friendly though) — Lockheed Martin EIS Orlando, FL
I understand that armour all used to be a very popular line cleaner and dressing, however, they have apparently changed their formulation and the new stuff cause fly lines to leach. It is best if you od not use it. Ian Scott Wishbone Custom Rods http://credit.headwaters.com/wishbone
All trout and char are truly magnificent fish, but for my money wild mountain rainbows are pound for pound the most aggressive battlers once hooked. Mind you , I do love to catch browns, speckles, cuts and bulls. Comments? Life is putting in time between fishing trips. —
Yeah – give me a chrome-sided steelhead or coho salmon, fresh from the ocean ANY DAY – now THAT’S RAW POWER!!!! Regards de Mike.
The wild brown trout of the Tasmanian highlands are beast. One kilogram fish can take you to the backing. — Simon Dillon BENDIGO, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA. http://www.hitech.net.au/~simon Check It out.
Rainbows! Pound for pound, the 1-2 lb. "half pounders with cheese" on the Klamath (CA) make a good account of themselves with a good combination of jumps and runs. I have read in Trey Combs’ Steelhead Fly Fishing: "on specially designed treadmill tests Thompson River(BC) Steelhead out perform all other fish tested". Luckily the two of these I hooked have stopped after about 200-250 yards, but about one in ten never stops. The weekend before the toxic spill I hooked an amazing 12" wild trout on the upper Sacramento (CA) that took me well into the backing on a six weight. I thought I had a 20 inch fish on. That trout’s ghost is now at least 24 inches and is prowling the banks for Southern Pacific railroad executives to pull in and drown, if you really want to talk about a fight. These are all rainbows. On the other hand, the lackadaisical Lahontans Cutthroats of Pyramid lake let you bring them within ten feet, then the mess around a while to play with your head, then they swim right to you and do a little flip around twist that gets them off the hook about half the time. It seems any trout there over 20 inches knows this trick, in my experience. In the parlance of pugilism, these are not sluggers or fighters, but damn good boxers. Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html
The wild brown trout of the Tasmanian highlands are beast. One kilogram fish can take you to the backing. The Browns in the Aare river of Switzerland … are some of the strongest fish I’ve ever fought.
Nah, the best fighters are the spring rainbows in the McCloud River in Northern California: big fish, strong currents, screamin’ reels!