Dear Sir, Do you realize they have Lithium and Prozac among many other medications that can help with this problem? Please walk, err RUN to your closest Dr. of Psychiatry and get some help! The twitch and voices in my head were removed, I’m sure your voices can be put down as well….:) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We would like anyone in ROFF who does not wish to receive posts to their private e-mail address to notify us who they may be so we may make a log. Everyone is considered operational unless we are notified otherwise in the next ten days. This is a legal notice.
Legal notice to George Gehrke: Go fuck yourself for 10 days and get back on your meds. Any emails from you to my address will be considered harassment, and will result in a shitstorm of incredible magnitude raining down upon you. Yours truly, Bob Smith
Two years ago, many on roff gave us the challenge and after two years, we were able to come up with a fly rod for under the challenged price.
You lying old sack of puss. Two years ago the challenge was to produce a production bamboo fly rod for $300. Not a fly rod KIT, a fly rod, a fishable upon receipt fly rod for $300. You didn’t do it. You failed. So now you think you can change what the challenge was to this new twist of producing a "roll your own" kit rod for $300 or less. You are such a fucking moron George. Do you really thing everybody here who’s had to live with your crap for the last two years will buy this new story from you. God, you are a miserable excuse for a human being. KMA, Bob
Dear Sir, Do you realize they have Lithium and Prozac among many other medications that can help with this problem? Please walk, err RUN to your closest Dr. of Psychiatry and get some help! The twitch and voices in my head were removed, I’m sure your voices can be put down as well….:)
What, you would deprive Mr. Gehrke of ALL human intercourse? For shame sir! Wolfgang
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <More lunacy snipped I would seriously advise anybody even considering posting an e-mail to this person, for whatever reason, to be extremely careful. There is no telling where your address might end up. The person is obviously unbalanced, and in need of treatment. While this is unfortunate, it will not save anybody involved from the possibly unfortunate consequences, and probable misery involved. Yes, exactly. Why anyone would feel obliged to respond to what is essentially a threat is beyond me. Best to just let it be. If you receive spam as a result of your participation on ROFF, simply deal with it as you would any other spam, by contacting the ISP of the offending party. JR
or check the law. washington state has pretty strict laws on unsolicited e-mail… don’t know the specifics, but if he spammed me via e-mail i might just have to look into it. chris
You lousy son-of-a-bitch. Unsolicited commercial e-mail of any kind will result in a complaint(s) to your ISP(s). It’s bad enough that I have to wade through your SPAM on ROFF. It’s illegal and against all of the Usenet rules I’m aware of, both formal and informal. Now you want to start sending me SPAM directly? As the high and mighty judge of all things ethical and moral, you should know better than to try and pull some stunt like this one. How about this: You make a one-time SPAM posting to alert all interested ROFFians (there might even be three or four of them) that if they would like to recieve e-mails from you that they can go to your website and subscribe to your mailing list. I’m sure that the response would be overwhelming. Legal Notice. Ha! What you are contemplating is definitely illegal. You should fire your attorney, George, and so should your ISP if they truly believe that an illegal post to a public newsgroup constitutes any sort of ‘legal notice’. George, you need help. Mental help, legal help, and then some. Perhaps an in-patient program might suit you better than the current out-patient one that continues to allow you to embarrass yourself in front of God and everybody. Here’s my legal notice, Mr. Gehrke, DO NOT EVER SEND ME ANY COMMERCIAL E-MAIL. Tom G constantly amazed
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We would like anyone in ROFF who does not wish to receive posts to their private e-mail address to notify us who they may be so we may make a log. Everyone is considered operational unless we are notified otherwise in the next ten days. This is a legal notice. Our company and web site is available for any technical questions regarding fly fishing. Our chat site will become active under a new provider who honors any commercial comments as long as they are posted in chat sites and/or talk groups like Roff. This new change will prevent problems regarding fly fishing content and values that are posted in the best interests of the industry and individuals world wide who ARE interested in certain commercial aspects regarding FLYFISHING Finally, THIS COMPUTER is a business computer and every man, woman or child in the world may post to this E-Mail Address which may include questions, comments, orders, and requests. This open door policy for free speech includes everyone. Anyone wishing to talk with us over an extended period of time may do so on http://www.gink.com/chat/index.html starting 7 PM evenings. Bad manners, name calling, or bad language will not tolerated at: http://www.gink.com/chat/index.html starting up again after a long absence for operations and plant construction and expansion. Anyone who has any questions should email us. The new e-mail site is Please make a note of it. Thank you, COMMENTS TO GEORGE AT THIS EMAIL ADDRESS FROM NOW ON.
We would like anyone in ROFF who does not wish to receive posts to their private e-mail address to notify us who they may be so we may make a log. Everyone is considered operational unless we are notified otherwise in the next ten days. This is a legal notice.
I can’t f*&%#$% belive this bullshit. You want me to email you to tell you I’m not interested in your new line. I’ve got a better idea I’ll save this tread and send it to your ISP along with a couple of responces to other threads and let them deside. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Our company and web site is available for any technical questions regarding fly fishing. Our chat site will become active under a new provider who honors any commercial comments as long as they are posted in chat sites and/or talk groups like Roff. This new change will prevent problems regarding fly fishing content and values that are posted in the best interests of the industry and individuals world wide who ARE interested in certain commercial aspects regarding FLYFISHING Finally, THIS COMPUTER is a business computer and every man, woman or child in the world may post to this E-Mail Address which may include questions, comments, orders, and requests. This open door policy for free speech includes everyone. Anyone wishing to talk with us over an extended period of time may do so on http://www.gink.com/chat/index.html starting 7 PM evenings. Bad manners, name calling, or bad language will not tolerated at: http://www.gink.com/chat/index.html starting up again after a long absence for operations and plant construction and expansion. Anyone who has any questions should email us. The new e-mail site is Please make a note of it. Thank you, COMMENTS TO GEORGE AT THIS EMAIL ADDRESS FROM NOW ON.
You lousy son-of-a-bitch. …
Amazing how the Village Idiot manages to self-destruct every so often. Quite convenient really, it’ll be awhile before anyone has to explain to indignant newbies why the old fool is so despised on ROFF. Hey Zimbo, here’s another classic for ginkstinks.org. — Ken Fortenberry
Georgie, Send nothing. This is official notice. Send nothing. Chas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – George, If I read this right, you’re claiming that you intend to SPAM us all in ten days if we don’t request that you not do that. I believe that the insertion of "nospam" in my return address is sufficient notice that I don’t want any unsolicited email. Others who use their address untampered are already accustomed to SPAM and probably want it. If you do start a SPAM campaign, I’m sure you’ll incur further wrath here, and I suspect some might launch a SPAM campaign of their own. I wouldn’t participate in that sort of thing. By no means will I be spamming you. If I write you at your private e-mail address it will never have spam in it Charlie. For you or anyone. I don’t do that sort of thing. I did it once by mistake and boy, never again. What I’m saying is you’re welcome to always write me as long there is no spam involved either way, okay? No, I am not claiming that in ten days there will be spam from us. Yet, what some regard as spam is not. Our new Provider says a special report as we posted which others think is spam in a news group, is NOT. Neither do they consider commercial comments in normal conversation in chat sites spam. Spam is when (as far as they are concerned) when one takes a mailing list and puts out a commercial message. That IS spam and I don’t do that. Two years ago, many on roff gave us the challenge and after two years, we were able to come up with a fly rod for under the challenged price. We have another surprise but I’m not going to post it here. Roffians will have to come to our chat site tommorow and ask about it. Anyhow Chuck, to get the kept promise to the thousands of people who have been waiting, our singular web site would not reach them all as once. Since the problems and the huge sums spent by me are in part the responsibility and doings of ROFFIANS who egged and prodded and helped and who offered their undying support, the best way to communicate that singular report after two years of effort was to post it on ROFF where it belonged. ROFF owes me at least THAT! So, what I’m asking you now is this. We may write to each other e-mails but we agree not to spam. I can handle that just fine. I don’t spam on e-mails anyhow but then again, we answer a lot of questions regarding fly fishing and products with e-mail but only when requested. Fair enough Charlie? George Gehrke Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser.
<SNIP P.S. Ordinarily, (until I know for sure) I would post this response to you via e-mail Charlie because it doesn’t belong here for public review. To me, this should be a private conversation between two reasonable men.
No way you are ever going to have such a private conversation then? What a pity. Perhaps you will be lucky and find a discussion partner as unreasonable as yourself? A tall order of course, but doubtless you can do it. You can do everything, you said so yourself, so it must be true. ( Awed whispers from off) ( The Mighty and Unholy Gink bows low, seeming unsure of what he knows for sure, apparently hoping against hope that somebody will jump on his shoulders, and then slithers off on his own slime trail for another we). MC
Gehrke writes: Snipped redundant remarks:
(giant snip) George, you are insane. You need help. Dave
Providers, such as the one we just hired, will allow a commercial post in news/talk groups …
Right up until the time they lose their first upstream feed. — Ken Fortenberry
George, in which legal jurisdiction is your rather dubious looking legal notice enforceable? Certainly not mine, that’s for bloody sure. You do realise this is a world-wide forum don’t you? If I see spam from you in ROFF again, I will (again) complain to your ISP. If I see spam from you in my mail box, I will complain to your ISP. Nice sales pitch from your new provider BTW, either they are a bigger bullshit artist than you are or they are severely deluded. Steve
<silliness snipped… All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy. All work and no play makes George a dull boy…
Our new Provider says a special report as we posted which others think is spam in a news group, is NOT. Neither do they consider commercial comments in normal conversation in chat sites spam. Spam is when (as far as they are concerned) when one takes a mailing list and puts out a commercial message. That IS spam and I don’t do that.
Ask them if they know what a UDP is. — Charlie…
<nonsense snipped I would never stand on your shoulders, I am quite careful at avoiding crap on my shoes. Providers can not "allow" commercial posts to newsgroups, it does not lie within their power to do so. Try sending a few, and see what happens. Strange as it may seem, and in spite of your congenital idiocy, I assumed that you would have grasped this relatively simple concept by now. How many providers have thrown you out? Forgotten? Oh well, ask the next couple what they think, assuming you are a customer long enough of course. The day I need an explanation of Usenet ( or anything else for that matter), from you, I will shoot myself as being no longer a viable proposition for normal existence. I don
RW No, I disagree. I think Deanbot stopped posting at just about the time it had become clear that Clinton/Gore’s release from the energy reserve was having the intended effect on prices and supplies. Deanbot was grossly wrong and not about to deal with it. Same old same old as far as the Clinton haters go: if the facts don’t hold up, fade; if you can cover it up it didn’t happen. If you can’t cover it up, say the Demo commies did it. Like Ive said before, it is time to take back the Republican Party from these clowns, and give the American people a good second centrist alternative; Now THAT would be truly conservative. Dave McCain was the one. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The way I see it, Ken, is that I needled Richard Dean so bad with the "Deanbot" stuff that he stopped posting for awhile. I get the feeling, though, that Richard has a sense of humor and doesn’t really hold a grudge about it.
Dave McCain was the one.
We do agree on something. Would have liked to see him in. Maybe next time, hopefully. Natty Before you buy.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah Edwin… I thought it was funny too and nothing more than that… if the NY officials take it as a serious attempt to defraud the system and keep people from voting, that seems pretty weak… I mean when was the last time election day WASN’T on the first Tuesday of November?? I also was amazed at the uproar here in California re the website that was offering to "trade votes"…. because Gore is expected to win in California, a lot of Nader supporters didn’t want to see their votes "wasted" and want to ensure the Green Party gets it’s 5% for federal matching funds…. so they were offering people in other states to sign up for "trade a vote"…. I’ll vote for YOUR candidate in MY state if you’ll vote for MY candidate in YOUR state… The State Attorney General shutdown the website saying that the process was illegal as it altered the voting process and was essentially "influencing vote outcome" … now the AG has come under fire for shutting down the site because that’s in violation of a federal law =) go figure….
I’d heard about that, and I actually wondered if the Nader people weren’t behind it. I would think someone there would have realized the danger – even he got 5%, it would be charged (and possibly correctly) that it wasn’t a "real" 5%, and therefore, the Greens weren’t entitled to matching funds. No matter who won, R’s or D’s, neither would be too amused with Nader, and both would likely enjoy seeing him get skewered on his own sword. As to the email, I’ve seen both variants, R’s vote Nov. 7th, and D’s the 8th, and vice-versa, so maybe it’s like "Suppose They Gave an Election and Nobody Voted…." <G TC, R
I’d heard about that, and I actually wondered if the Nader people weren’t behind it. …
What’s up with this, rw ? Not enough time before the election to implement all the new software ? I was hoping to see a little bit of flyfishing in the new release to make Dickybot appear more lifelike. Frankly, I don’t see that this version of Dickybot is any improvement over the last. — Ken Fortenberry
I’d heard about that, and I actually wondered if the Nader people weren’t behind it. … What’s up with this, rw ? Not enough time before the election to implement all the new software ? I was hoping to see a little bit of flyfishing in the new release to make Dickybot appear more lifelike. Frankly, I don’t see that this version of Dickybot is any improvement over the last.
The way I see it, Ken, is that I needled Richard Dean so bad with the "Deanbot" stuff that he stopped posting for awhile. I get the feeling, though, that Richard has a sense of humor and doesn’t really hold a grudge about it. I do feel kind of bad about it, though, and I’d really like to move on if you don’t mind, or even if you do mind. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d heard about that, and I actually wondered if the Nader people weren’t behind it. … What’s up with this, rw ? Not enough time before the election to implement all the new software ? I was hoping to see a little bit of flyfishing in the new release to make Dickybot appear more lifelike. Frankly, I don’t see that this version of Dickybot is any improvement over the last. The way I see it, Ken, is that I needled Richard Dean so bad with the "Deanbot" stuff that he stopped posting for awhile. I get the feeling, though, that Richard has a sense of humor and doesn’t really hold a grudge about it. I do feel kind of bad about it, though, and I’d really like to move on if you don’t mind, or even if you do mind.
I thought the "Deanbot" stuff was funny, hence my playing along. I was, and still feel the name stuff is taking offensive liberties a they were politely asked not to do so, as I explained, but it is the who and not the what – I don’t mind friends _joking_ because it is not meant in a derogatory way, but _no one_ on ROFF is close enough as of yet to take such liberties. I _stopped_ posting for a number of reasons, most having nothing whatsoever to do with particular people on ROFF – there are other demands on the time of a capitalist running dog…ecosystems to get out of balance, trees to cut, etc.<G, and I didn’t realize I needed to explain or "check out" <G. Now, I will say, I almost didn’t but ROFF on the new system because of the reasons explained elsewhere, geeky wannabe verbal bullies like fartingfairy (my spell checker suggests "Farthingale"….hmm) and puppydog could no more drive me away from where I wanted to be than they could act like gentlemen…. TC, R PS – Farthingale might be a good name for him – although I know no one _named_ "Farthingale," I know some that _could_ be named Farthingale, and Fartingfairy sounds like one of them….
Now, I will say, I almost didn’t but ROFF on the new system because of the reasons explained elsewhere, geeky wannabe verbal bullies like fartingfairy (my spell checker suggests "Farthingale"….hmm) and puppydog could no more drive me away from where I wanted to be than they could act like gentlemen…. TC, R PS – Farthingale might be a good name for him – although I know no one _named_ "Farthingale," I know some that _could_ be named Farthingale, and Fartingfairy sounds like one of them….
Sir; In the interest of preserving the dignity of this august group, I am afraid I must refrain from telling just what I thi….mph……ahem, what I mphphphph….BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Due to an anticipated voter turnout much larger than originally expected, the polling facilities may not be able to handle the load all at once. Therefore, Democrats are requested to vote on Tuesday, November 7, and Republicans on Wednesday, November 8. Please pass this message along and help us to make sure that nobody gets left out.
Larry, Last nite here in albany Ny, local media had mention of this kooky style email that if floating around. Personally, I think it is quite funny. But I wondered why it would be mentioned onthe news? turns out NY authorities are taking a grimmer view of the email,even though it seems clearly to be a joke. Keeping someone from voting is a felony. And Ny authorities are taking this email as an attempt to keep people form voting. Efforts are afoot to track down the originator of the email. DO with that info what you will.. cheers edwin (apparently, ny authorities have even less of a sense of humor than is visible on ROFF)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Due to an anticipated voter turnout much larger than originally expected, the polling facilities may not be able to handle the load all at once. Therefore, Democrats are requested to vote on Tuesday, November 7, and Republicans on Wednesday, November 8. Please pass this message along and help us to make sure that nobody gets left out.
Yeah Edwin… I thought it was funny too and nothing more than that… if the NY officials take it as a serious attempt to defraud the system and keep people from voting, that seems pretty weak… I mean when was the last time election day WASN’T on the first Tuesday of November?? I also was amazed at the uproar here in California re the website that was offering to "trade votes"…. because Gore is expected to win in California, a lot of Nader supporters didn’t want to see their votes "wasted" and want to ensure the Green Party gets it’s 5% for federal matching funds…. so they were offering people in other states to sign up for "trade a vote"…. I’ll vote for YOUR candidate in MY state if you’ll vote for MY candidate in YOUR state… The State Attorney General shutdown the website saying that the process was illegal as it altered the voting process and was essentially "influencing vote outcome" … now the AG has come under fire for shutting down the site because that’s in violation of a federal law =) go figure….
The State Attorney General shutdown the website saying that the process was illegal as it altered the voting process and was essentially "influencing vote outcome" … now the AG has come under fire for shutting down the site because that’s in violation of a federal law =) go figure….
It’s a very interesting situation. The question is whether the websites offer an "inducement" to vote a certain way, which is illegal. I think a case could be made either way. The ACLU is seeking a temporary restraining order on the Attorney General’s action against the web site on 1st Ammendment grounds. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
Hi All, One of my best old buddies, Joe Shirshac, has just bought a computer and got hooked up to the WWW today. He works at the fly shop and hosts our group trips all over the world. Joe is a great guy and he is real excited about his new toy. He is a 75 year old retired Sacramento City Fire Fighter. He has been fly fishing for over 50 years and has always taken people with him. He has helped many new fly fishers get going. I am hoping the some of you can send him an email to welcome him to the wonderful WWW. Thanks to all. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop http://www.kiene.com
bill – i’m sure most would be happy to do so if you’d provide joe’s e-mail address…i looked at your site and did not find it… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, One of my best old buddies, Joe Shirshac, has just bought a computer and got hooked up to the WWW today. He works at the fly shop and hosts our group trips all over the world. Joe is a great guy and he is real excited about his new toy. He is a 75 year old retired Sacramento City Fire Fighter. He has been fly fishing for over 50 years and has always taken people with him. He has helped many new fly fishers get going. I am hoping the some of you can send him an email to welcome him to the wonderful WWW. Thanks to all. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop http://www.kiene.com
um…never mind…sheesh, i just woke up and…ok, i’m an ignorant hoppy eponymous redneck…i’ll do better next time… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, One of my best old buddies, Joe Shirshac, has just bought a computer and got hooked up to the WWW today. He works at the fly shop and hosts our group trips all over the world. Joe is a great guy and he is real excited about his new toy. He is a 75 year old retired Sacramento City Fire Fighter. He has been fly fishing for over 50 years and has always taken people with him. He has helped many new fly fishers get going. I am hoping the some of you can send him an email to welcome him to the wonderful WWW. Thanks to all. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop http://www.kiene.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – bill – i’m sure most would be happy to do so if you’d provide joe’s e-mail address…i looked at your site and did not find it… jeff Hi All, One of my best old buddies, Joe Shirshac, has just bought a computer and got hooked up to the WWW today. He works at the fly shop and hosts our group trips all over the world. Joe is a great guy and he is real excited about his new toy. He is a 75 year old retired Sacramento City Fire Fighter. He has been fly fishing for over 50 years and has always taken people with him. He has helped many new fly fishers get going. I am hoping the some of you can send him an email to welcome him to the wonderful WWW. Thanks to all. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop http://www.kiene.com
– Charlie…
In response to a recommendation from someone on this NG, I am planning a trip to Tulpehocken Creek near Reading, PA. A local flyshop told me that they just stocked it with fingerlings so I "am bound to hook plenty of 4"ers". I’m not planning to hook 4"ers, although those of you that have seen my posts here thus far may remember that I haven’t caught a single fish in the 2 weeks I’ve been flyfishing, so at this point ANY trout would be cool! Anyway, anyone out there know anything about this creek? Any good spots? Any hints/tips? Thanks! Mark
In response to a recommendation from someone on this NG, I am planning a trip to Tulpehocken Creek near Reading, PA. A local flyshop told me that they just stocked it with fingerlings so I "am bound to hook plenty of 4"ers". I’m not planning to hook 4"ers, although those of you that have seen my posts here thus far may remember that I haven’t caught a single fish in the 2 weeks I’ve been flyfishing, so at this point ANY trout would be cool! Anyway, anyone out there know anything about this creek? Any good spots? Any hints/tips? Thanks!
Mark: It’s been a couple years since I’ve been up there, but I’d recommend three things: 1. Check with Tulpehocken Creek Outfitters in West Reading. 2. Go farther upstream toward Blue somethin-or-other Lake. The lower portions are really low, slow, and full of carp. 3. Forget the Tully and drive up to the Little Schuykill. It’s pretty close, and the FFO stretch is pretty. Green weenies. Joe F.
So George, you’ve found yet a new way to assert your commercial presence here…by creating new subject lines…make that HEADLINES several times a day? Don’t you have your own chatroom to manipulate? Bastards All & Lovin Them! Gehrke Fly Rods Best Buy in Nation Chat Site Alive and Well! Since February I have tried to see you as an unfairly treated person here. I find no reason to continue trying. Enough is enough. — Jeff Cook http://www.cookstudios.com Washington DC area
I think I was an early supporter, having ordered a Bastard, 7.5′, #4 back in December. However, I internalized the wisdom of placing that order especially when the ‘reviews’ began to appear here and decided to cancel the order for my ‘Bastard’ on September 30. Without any other comment I just want to say, boy do I feel relieved.
I think I was an early supporter, having ordered a Bastard, 7.5′, #4 back in December. However, I internalized the wisdom of placing that order especially when the ‘reviews’ began to appear here and decided to cancel the order for my ‘Bastard’ on September 30. Without any other comment I just want to say, boy do I feel relieved.
this. That you feel relieved is another question regarding you being able to think for yourself is in question with me. You could have inspected the qualities of a fine fly rod first hand. That you seem to have ‘a need’ to post such a remark in public, I regard as disappointing as it does not hurt me as much as it does you. A fair man wouldn’t have done this. Why did you do this? We never did anything to you but work our hearts out for you. christ. Mr. G.
Just think Allen, you could have seen first hand what a pile of crap his rods are and sent it back. After all he does guarantee your money back plus a nasty response to any one who doesn’t like them. Of course you are out $12 return postage, but getting on George’s sh*t list should be worth something. :-) Ernie Harrison Keep Livestock Away From Our Rivers and Streams. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think I was an early supporter, having ordered a Bastard, 7.5′, #4 back in December. However, I internalized the wisdom of placing that order especially when the ‘reviews’ began to appear here and decided to cancel the order for my ‘Bastard’ on September 30. Without any other comment I just want to say, boy do I feel relieved.
Just think Allen, you could have seen first hand what a pile of crap his rods are and sent it back. After all he does guarantee your money back plus a nasty response to any one who doesn’t like them. Of course you are out $12 return postage, but getting on George’s sh*t list should be worth something. :-) Ernie Harrison
______ Harrison, you’re very bit of what Doug Knight says you are. None of it good. This style of post of yours again proves what kind of person you really are and always have been in ROFF. Mr. G.
Steve, you’re right. I could have waited to check out a Bastard and return it (at my expense) if it didn’t pass inspection. However, I am not a bamboo affecionado(sp?), am not qualified to do a quality inspection, and based my decision on the many defects identified in the reviews ‘Bastards’ have received thus far. As far as posting my cancellation: It appears that ANY constructive discussion/criticism/suggestions about ANYTHING associated with this rod brings forth a venemous assault, i.e. "I Tried a Bastard" by Bob Smith. BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out.
Steve, you’re right. I could have waited to check out a Bastard and return it (at my expense) if it didn’t pass inspection. However, I am not a bamboo affecionado(sp?), am not qualified to do a quality inspection, and based my decision on the many defects identified in the reviews ‘Bastards’ have received thus far. As far as posting my cancellation: It appears that ANY constructive discussion/criticism/suggestions about ANYTHING associated with this rod brings forth a venemous assault, i.e. "I Tried a Bastard" by Bob Smith. BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out.
wouldn’t let anyone else do my thinking for me. Mr. G.
George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup. What goes around come around. Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never posted about the Bastard, but i dont think its fair to say in public that you plan on canceling an order on a rod that you havent seen. If you have worries about the bastard, its perfectly fine to cancel an order, but to say it in a public forum is just unfairly hurting another person’s business. Maybe Mr.G’s rods arent perfect but from what i hear, he does have a money back guarantee so you’re not running much risk by at least having it shipped to you to be inspected.
Just to clarify; I cancelled my purchase of the rod privately, via e-mail, to George on Sept. 30th. My post on ROFF a week later was no different then anyone posting about a broken rod tip, some warranty, some service fee, etc. from any rod, reel, etc. company. BTW, it’s been a long time now but didn’t G post some of the names and number of orders he had? Finally, yes I guess my post may not have been very tactful. I’ll hereby give myself 10 lashes with a wet noodle.
As much as it hurts to say it, I have to agree with George on this one. I have no problem if someone wants to cancel their order but your public statements only point out your preference for bolting with the herd rather than thinking for yourself or just checking it out first hand. Let’s face it. When George started this whole thing it was painfully clear that it was a risk to order a rod from someone that was taking on a fairly demanding technical task for the first time, regardless of what he said. If you didn’t think it was a risk (and the posts at that time made it pretty clear it was) then you were painfully naive. That risk has not changed since the beginning yet you have gotten nervous and bolted at the end. This is still OK by me but what is the purpose of publicly venting your "relief" at this juncture since you have absolutely nothing concrete to add to the debate except to proclaim this herd behavior? I would be embarrassed to publicly advertise that behavior if I were in your position. There have certainly been problems and George has been George. I have read nothing here that is any different than what George has posted since he first appeared on ROFF, so what else is new?! You guys act as if this is all a big surprise. Get real. If you were misled about what it might be like to deal with George on this, I would suggest it was in part done by yourselves and a lust for a new bamboo rod at what was initially hoped to be bargain basement prices. Maybe its time for a reality check and to get over it. As a disclaimer, this post is certainly not a defense of George. Some of the things that have gone on seem reprehensible to me and George is far from pure. Too much said. Jon "sucked into this thread" McAnulty
Always nice too see the leader of a customer service organization using terms like ‘insect brain’ in a public forum. Especially when its in reference to a potential customer. George, I dont care if your rods are beamed here from God himself … SNIPPED
Exactly my thoughts! At this point I don’t care how great they might be- I’m willing to skip ever finding out, just so I don’t have to deal with this guy and run the risk of being publicly demeaned. What a freakin’ nutcase. Before you buy.
…I wouldn’t let anyone else do my thinking for me.
And THIS is a serious problem because you don’t do any of it for yourself either.
Nice to see the Mrs. has the same accumen. Tom
I’ve never posted about the Bastard, but i dont think its fair to say in public that you plan on canceling an order on a rod that you havent seen. If you have worries about the bastard, its perfectly fine to cancel an order, but to say it in a public forum is just unfairly hurting another person’s business. Maybe Mr.G’s rods arent perfect but from what i hear, he does have a money back guarantee so you’re not running much risk by at least having it shipped to you to be inspected.
It seems to me that the very essence of a public forum such as this newsgroup is to provide an opportunity for anyone to express an opinion; any opinion. That someone chooses to express an opinion which has a bearing on the central issues covered in this particular newsgroup should not be lamented. Consider also that the negative reports on Mr. Gerhke’s products undoubtedly do him a lot less damage than does his own behavior in this forum. Moreover, his incessant peddling of his products here opens the door for responses pertaining to those products even when, as is the case here, those responses are overwhelmingly negative. ROFF is a community in a truer sense of the word than are most of the cities, towns, and villages in which most of us live. One of the things which makes this a true community is that the residents, by common if tacit consent, watch out for one another. This is by and large true despite the vigor with which we sometimes attack one another’s sacred cows. I am confident that most of the regulars here would warn other members of the community about actual or potential problems with any commercial product regardless of who produces that product. That one particular purveyor of fly fishing related products chooses to use this forum as his personal marketing outlet should not , and does not, exempt him from the same scrutiny and criticism which any other manufacturer is subject to. And if his products and his character bring out in public reviews which hurt his business well, what can one say but Tough Shit?!
Was it Gatlinburg in mid-July, had you just it town and your throat was dry, and did think you’d stop and have yourself a brew?
Right on John. I first went there in 1931 at age 6. A straw mattress and kerosene lamp. Jack in Nashville.
Just to clarify; I cancelled my purchase of the rod privately, via e-mail, to George on Sept. 30th. My post on ROFF a week later was no different then anyone posting about a broken rod tip, some warranty, some service fee, etc. from any rod, reel, etc. company. BTW, it’s been a long time now but didn’t G post some of the names and number of orders he had? Finally, yes I guess my post may not have been very tactful. I’ll hereby give myself 10 lashes with a wet noodle.
Always nice too see the leader of a customer service organization using terms like ‘insect brain’ in a public forum. Especially when its in reference to a potential customer. George, I dont care if your rods are beamed here from God himself or if they truly are the low end of the market. With the defensive, insulting, condescending, aloof and generally surly attitude you take, your business is doomed to fail. If I bought something off of you and decided to return it, and you sent me a nasty-gram along with my refund check, you would regret it for the rest of your business life. Tom.
George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup. What goes around come around. Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful.
And you’re right, it isn’t tactful. Respectfully, Gladys M. Gehrke Executive Secretary Bastard Fly Rod Company
every one here knows exactly what they are missing
every one here knows exactly what they are missing
______ You’re full of it, insect brain. Along with the other turkeys in Roff just like you. Mr.G.
I’ve never posted about the Bastard, but i dont think its fair to say in public that you plan on canceling an order on a rod that you havent seen. If you have worries about the bastard, its perfectly fine to cancel an order, but to say it in a public forum is just unfairly hurting another person’s business. Maybe Mr.G’s rods arent perfect but from what i hear, he does have a money back guarantee so you’re not running much risk by at least having it shipped to you to be inspected. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
—-snip—- BTW, have you ever walked into a store intending to buy something and were so offended by what you saw of the interaction between sales and customer that you said to yourself, "forget this", and just turned around and walked out.
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Gatlinburg! A place I remember with wood sidewalks where I bought one of the finest pair of moccasins I ever owned, real sqaw chewed Cherokee mocs. On the Illinois plains I could fly with them but in rocky terrain were less than ideal. That was 50yrs ago, before all the super interstates and a trip there from Dwight Ill. was an occasion and adventure. Most folks of the area went to Wisconsin or Michigan for pike or musky not to Tenn. for trout. It’s now probably a huge city full of crap and corruption like most of the other places that were peacfull and friendly in my long ago youth. John Popp in Sanford Fl.
George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup. What goes around come around. Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful. And you’re right, it isn’t tactful. Respectfully, Gladys M. Gehrke Executive Secretary Bastard Fly Rod Company
george, oh i mean gladys (yeah, right), i tried being tactful with your patient, i mean husband. and look where it got me. he comes on here and dumps shit on ANYONE who says ANYTHING that isn’t totally in agreement with his delusions about his rods. the guy is unstable, megalomaniacal,egocentric and a pathalogical liar. i fear for your safety "gladys". if he hasn’t sucked you into his Frostcukoo land beyond all hopes of escape, then RUN Gladys RUN before it’s too late. bob smith, former weel wisher till i got slammed for trying to tell GG the truth. Before you buy.
George did everything he could to sell his Bastards (ie. SPAM), take orders and impress us with his genius on this newsgroup. What goes around come around. Thus, I think it fair to cancel an order via this newsgroup, even if not tactful.
_______ You don’t know what you’re missing. Gladys Gehrke
Hi Folks, after all the e-mails enquiring as to my reasons for ceasing to subscribe
Gentlemen and Ladies, I am moved by the loss of the best among us. I have filed Mike’s post in a place where I’ll be able to find it next time I feel like launching a salvo. Hope we can all do the same. sniff…..
I have simply made a personal decision not to subscribe.
Good to see your byline again, Mike, even if for the last time. best wishes….. Mark Faulkner
Mike Connor wrote [final farewell snipped] Huge loss for ROFF. I’ll miss your wit Mike.
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Hi Folks, after all the e-mails enquiring as to my reasons for ceasing to subscribe to the news groups generally and ROFF specifically, and although I was of the opinion that I had made my reasons quite clear, here they are once again. The subject is now closed for me. I will not answer any further e-mails on this subject, it would serve no useful purpose. E-mails to the various websites or bulletin boards to which I contribute are also a waste of time, as I will not discuss the matter further. I would be most obliged if you would consider this, especially in the chat rooms where I am on line, nobody is interested in the matter, and it just wastes time and annoys people. I will also not join in discussions denigrating ROFF, or any of its contributors under any circumstances whatsoever. If you have a problem with somebody on ROFF then talk to them or take it to e-mail with the people concerned, I have no interest in the matter. I have no personal axe to grind as far as ROFF is concerned, I still think ROFF is basically great actually, I have simply made a personal decision not to subscribe. The reasons are listed in order of importance, just in case anybody wants to know exactly, as it appears quite a few do. 1. I cannot afford to pay for the downloading of large amounts of spam. This is purely a financial criteria, and is by far the most important one. Without attempting to define spam, I mean anything which may generally be described as crap, be it multiple senseless posts, or direct commercial misuse of usenet. This simply costs me a lot of money which I do not have in amounts sufficient to waste on this nonsense. Before anybody else sends me tips for saving money on usenet, do me and yourself a favour, forget it. Most of the ideas are not practicable, and as I pay metered rates for on line time, sometimes not even possible. 2. I see no point in allowing myself to be insulted or provoked by people whose main interest in life seems to be annoying or upsetting as many people as they can in the shortest possible time. Especially when it is just nasty and not even remotely amusing. This runs contrary to the spirit of the newsgroup, and continuing to pay out good money for this sort of thing would mean I would have to have a screw loose, this is fortunately not the case. 3. I am my own man, I do what I do, say what I say, and think what I think, I do not like it much when people attribute my words or actions to reasons they have dreamed up themselves, and attempt to prove their invariably faulty conclusions in print on a public forum. I am nobodies sycophant. I also resent it deeply when people make stupid or annoying or simply false statements based on posts I or others have made, where it is perfectly obvious that they have either not read the posts properly or are lacking the wherewithal to understand them. 4. The informational and amusement content of the newsgroups seems to be deteriorating in direct proportion to the amount of ill mannered and ignorant persons subscribing to them. I would tend to avoid such people in private life, ( the "bar" analogy ), and see no reason why I should not follow this eminently sensible policy elsewhere also. 5. There are too many people who want to control all sorts of things, up to and including what other people may or may not post. Usenet is in my opinion one of the last bastions of true free speech, to those who can not accept this, or attempt continually to misuse it, I can only say you are not ready for freedom of speech. Freedom of speech allows you to say what you like when you like to whoever you like, like many great things it should be exercised with manners and self-control if it is not to degenerate into a senseless insulting free for all, even more so on a relatively anoymous medium like usenet. If some of the things said on here in the past were indeed said in a bar, then the people responsible would certainly be looking for a new set of teeth at the very least, and a good thing too. Unfortunately as I am unable to come into even remote striking distance of the aforementioned dental accoutrements, I find it better to remove myself from the sphere of influence, whether a bar or usenet is immaterial. 6. I was indeed extremely angry at the amount of direct e-mail spam I received as a result of the ill considered efforts of one ROFF contributor in distributing my e-mail address to commercial spammers. I am prepared to accept that this was a mistake, the person concerned apologised profusely and sincerely,and I am no longer angry at him. This was not my main reason for leaving the group, just an extra annoyance. 7. I was ever more dismayed at the number of trolls obviously designed to get a rise out of somebody or provoke a useless argument, which turned nasty fairly quickly, I see no point in this, and I imagine it is just some perverse form of entertainment, in which only perverts would indulge, especially in view of the anonymous nature of the whole thing. Purposely pissing off someone you dont even know for enjoyment strikes me as being perverse in the extreme, and I prefer to keep my distance in such cases. 8. The comment from many posters that anybody who posts in public forums should expect to be insulted and must develop a thick skin is in my opinion a symptom of their own perversity and lack of manners. I expect to be treated at least with good manners. When this is not the case I have several options usually. In this particular case, retiring from the field is probably the most sensible. 9. I was of the opinion that groups such as ROFF provided a service and source of information on the subject at hand, and everything even remotely related to it. I attempted to subcribe in this spirit, as I assume most others also do. This attempt met with far more negative criticism and insulting responses than I would have hoped it might, and this was extremely disappointing. This also contributed to my decision to leave. I hope this clears up any wierd ideas, misconceptions, or even downright lies as to why I no longer subscribe, and that the subject is now definitely closed. I welcome personal and private e-mail on any and every subject under the sun, and I am happy to help anybody at all if it lies within my power, however as I already said on at least one other occasion, enquiries which start with the words "How do I start fly-fishing" or similar all embracing questions are beyond my power to answer in a couple of e-mails, and anybody who thinks he can become a good flyfisherman by studying a potted set of answers from one person, or even a group of people, or watching videos etc, ought to take up tennis, or bowling or something similar. The only way to become a good flyfisherman is to go and do it, read as much as you can, talk to as many flyfishers as you can, and try out what they say, advice on specific problems will always be available. One of the greatest attractions of flyfishing is the fact that however much you learn, and however good you become, there is always something new to learn, the possibilities and facets are infinite. Flyfishing is not just a hobby like embroidering cushion covers, or weaving carpets, as a way of killing time, it is a philosophy, a religion, a way of life. It is hard work all the way, but absolutely fascinating, entrancing and enslaving. Thanks again for all your e-mails, I am surprised ( and of course pleased ! ) that my leaving a forum like this could generate such a furore which lasts such a long time. I obviously made a positive and pleasant impact on at least some of you, as indeed many of you did on myself. It is very pleasant to get such support and encouragement mostly from people I have never met , and probably never will, I met some lovely people on the groups, I enjoyed myself, and I learned an awful lot, but I will not return to any of the newsgroups, if only to prove some of the ignorant and insulting people wrong who e-mailed me telling me what a pompous over educated ( If only they knew !!! 
)ass I am, and that I would doubtless return at some point. I would not like to give such people the satisfaction of being right, even if I got usenet access for free ! Tight lines ! Mike Connor Honi soit qui mal y pense.
I have a close friend stationed in Okinawa. I was wondering if the group could point me in the direction of cheap flights to there. Also, what are some touristy things I can do while there, I plan on being there for about a week. Please post or e-mail privately Thanks for your help. WILLZZ….
I have a close friend stationed in Okinawa. I was wondering if the group could point me in the direction of cheap flights to there. Also, what are some touristy things I can do while there, I plan on being there for about a week. Please post or e-mail privately Thanks for your help. How can we possibly give you advice on cheap fares if we do not know where you lve!!!! The whole world is reading this Newsgroup. Do you live in Amsterdam, the Netherlands? Then I can give you some rates. Giny, Tozai Travel, Amsterdam
I have a close friend stationed in Okinawa. I was wondering if the group could point me in the direction of cheap flights to there. Also, what are some touristy things I can do while there, I plan on being there for about a week. Please post or e-mail privately Thanks for your help.
There’s not a great deal to see on Okinawa Island, but the major tourist sight is Shuri Castle in Naha (the capital city). It’s reconstructed, but very well done. There’s also a big market (Ichiba) in Naha and, nearby, an interesting area of potters’ workshops (Tsuboya district). After that, most people take a tour round the WWII battle sights in the south of the island. For example the Underground Navy Headquarters – where you go down into the tunnels and there’s a small museum. Heading northwards, Ryukyu Mura is a reasonably interesting "culture village", and then there are the beaches such as Moon Beach and Tiger Beach. With your own transport, I’d recommend the far north, where you find some more traditional fishing villages, and more mountains. There are a couple of castle ruins to visit, too. But, if the weather’s good and you have time, the best of Okinawa is really the outer islands. The Kerama islands are quite close by – a ferry ride from Naha – but the most beautiful are the southern islands such as Miyako-jima, Ishigaki-jima and Iriomote-jima. As you’ve only got a week, I think you’ld need to pick just one of these and fly from Naha. Author, The Rough Guides to Vietnam and Japan http://www.roughguides.com
There a lot of nice place to vsit while in Okinawa. I recommend to visit some, Shuri Castle (in Naha), Himeyuri Park (cactus park, in Naha), Gyukusendo Cave(Naha), Okinawa Zoo(Kodomo no kuni) close to Gate 2 of Kadena Air Base, Wine Factory (in Nago), Yambaru (Park for dfferent kinds of birds, Nago), Ryukyu Mura (old Okinawan Village, close to Torrii Station), Okinawa Memorial Park (Nago). Navy Underground Headquarter. If you like to play Golf, theres a lot of driving range, and Golf Course. Try to go to some of this places, I’m sure you gonna have a goodtime. And at night you can try to go to Big Echo(Karaoke Bar). Pyramid (for Disco). HAVE FUN…
I talked to anglers in Alaska who were fly fishing for kings. They were doing quite well, so I asked them if they had some advice to give, what flies to use etc. They told me that they did not spend time tying flies for kings (egg suckers, fat freddies etc), instead they were using large colorful "Piece-of-yarn" flies. These flies were not really tied in a normal way; instead they used a fairly large short shank hook on which they prepared a specially designed knot, ripped off a piece of yarn, put the yarn on place and finalized the knot. It all took less than a minute and seems a good solution regarding the number of flies you lose when fishing on the bottom… My problem is: I can’t remember how they did the trick. Does anybody have a description for how to make this special knot? What hook would be the most appropriate? Thanks in advance, Tord Andreasson Sweden
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I talked to anglers in Alaska who were fly fishing for kings. They were doing quite well, so I asked them if they had some advice to give, what flies to use etc. They told me that they did not spend time tying flies for kings (egg suckers, fat freddies etc), instead they were using large colorful "Piece-of-yarn" flies. These flies were not really tied in a normal way; instead they used a fairly large short shank hook on which they prepared a specially designed knot, ripped off a piece of yarn, put the yarn on place and finalized the knot. It all took less than a minute and seems a good solution regarding the number of flies you lose when fishing on the bottom… My problem is: I can’t remember how they did the trick. Does anybody have a description for how to make this special knot? What hook would be the most appropriate? Thanks in advance, Tord Andreasson Sweden
the knot is the egg or bait loop. it’s been years since I tied one so my instructions may not be quite right; essentially: use Turned up eye hook. put the tippet through the eye and near the bend of the hoo start wrapping relatively loosely back to the eye about 6 wraps – use a finger tip to hold the wraps in place. Put the tippet end back under the wraps much like a nail knot and pull it tight to snug the loops. To make the fly push slack into the tippet to open a loop over the shank stick the yarn in and tighten up. Clip to shape and size desired. Personally I just tie flies with yarn and threa at home on the same style hooks. Tkaes a minute or two per fly and doesn’t involve any fumbling on stream Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.
For all those fans of the Loomis IMX Rods there is hope. Talked to Gary Loomis about the GL4 rods and he reccomends to underline the GL4 fly rods by one line weight; by doing this you will now have the IMX action.
Does this mean that by overlining my IMX by one weight I get a GL4 action? Great! 
Fish on, Allen
For all those fans of the Loomis IMX Rods there is hope. Talked to Gary Loomis about the GL4 rods and he reccomends to underline the GL4 fly rods by one line weight; by doing this you will now have the IMX action. Does this mean that by overlining my IMX by one weight I get a GL4 action? Great! Fish on, Allen
Yes! Not only that, but overlining a GL4 by two weights will give you a winston. Overline by 3 weights… Instant Cane rod! I love technology! Phil
For all those fans of the Loomis IMX Rods there is hope. Talked to Gary Loomis about the GL4 rods and he reccomends to underline the GL4 fly rods by one line weight; by doing this you will now have the IMX action. Tight Lines and Release ‘em Nick DelleDonne — Nick DelleDonne, Fly Fishing Consultant and Owner of: The Evening Rise Fly Angler’s Shop, 4182 Old Phila. Pike, PO Box 446 "Shop Located 3 Miles East of Intercourse, PA on Route 340"
Which sinking line should I choose for nymph fishing in small rivers? unless the river is really large, you don’t need a sinking at all… TimW
Do you change for a sinking leader or will the nymph drag the leader down with it quickly enough? Peter. — Peter Sollander, CERN ST/MC/TCR Tel: (+41) 22.767.8081 Fax: (+41) 22.767.8910
Which sinking line should I choose for nymph fishing in small rivers? unless the river is really large, you don’t need a sinking at all… TimW Do you change for a sinking leader or will the nymph drag the leader down with it quickly enough?
I use a long leader and split shot and fish effectively in 6+ feet of water. One spot in particular that comes to mind. The majority of the Roaring Fork flows between these two big rocks right in the main channel causing impressive rapids. I would routinely wade deep right to the edge of this and nail nice ‘bows one nymphs fished deep with 5 or more BB’s right in this fast water. My problem with sinking lines, leaders etc. is that the fly will float up from the bottom too far, unless the weight is RIGHT THERE within 6 inches or so of the bug. A fly one or two feet off the bottom in this fast water will not catch fish. TimW For larger rivers, and some streamer applications, a Hi-speed, Hi-D Sinking tip line is WAY cool. Dragging a big wooley behind a driftboat with a sink tip can be deadly. TimW
: If the river is unusually fast or deep, you might want to use a sink : tip, the weight of the line depends on what your rod is rated for. The : idea is to get the nymph to bounce on the bottom once in a while. A : small split shot or some "Shape-A-Weight" on the leader can do the same : thing. True. A great time and money saver. : As far as being a beginning caster, I would get the Weight Forward (WF) : line as it is easier to put the fly where you want it. I’ve been told this often, but my experience has been that they’re really not that much easier to cast than a DT line, and DT lines turn over a mite easier. PLus, you can turn ‘em around when then get worn! –mike
Which sinking line should I choose for nymph fishing in small rivers? DT, WF? sinking tip? #1-#4? and what about leaders? Sinking? Fast Sinking, Extra Fast Sinking?
If you are fishing "small rivers" I wouldn’t bother with a sinking line. You can get a fly down to the fish even with a floating line. A long leader with a small split shot or bead head will do in most situations. I’ve been tying beads into the body of many nymphs instead of lead and find they work great. You can also add a sink tip to your line, sized to the situation. I always carry a few in different sizes just in case. If you are planning to fish a lake, or a fast, deep river then a sinking line would be handy. I carry a med. sink for lakes and time the decent. For Steehead in rivers I pack a floating, 10 ft. sink tip, and a 24 ft 325 gn. sink tip. The last line works great for strippers….but casting is kind of chuck and duck….
For nymph fishing small rivers and creeks a floating line is generally all that is required. For especially deep hole a weight forward would be a good choice, but in most instances a floating line with a leader set for the depth of water, and a strike indicator, is my general set-up of choice. Clint
writes: Which sinking line should I choose for nymph fishing in small rivers? DT, WF? sinking tip? #1-#4? and what about leaders? Sinking? Fast Sinking, Extra Fast Sinking? What’s a beginner’s choice Any ideas?
Hi Pete, I would not choose a sinking line for nymph fishing in most situations. The object of most nymph fishing is to get the fly to *dead drift* in the bottom 6" or so of water. It’s very tough to dead drift a nymph on a sinking line as you have no control over the sinking line once it sinks. You are at the mercy of the currents because you can’t mend the line. It is much more effective to fish nymphs on a floating line with a long leader because you can mend it and control the drift; and it’s especially effective to use a strike indicator to suspend the nymph exactly where you want in the water column and drift it down the current lane you choose. If you want particulars on this, drop me some e-mail & I’ll let you know how to set such a system up, along with casts to help you fish it. The place I use a full sinking line is in a lake as it allows you to swim your fly right over the top of weedbeds and structure which is very difficult to do with a floating line and a long leader. Works well because there is no current in the lake to push your line around. You could also use a sink tip for this though It tends to rise up a bit as you retrieve it. A sink tip is a good choice in rivers because you can mend the belly section (the floating part) to control the sinking part. Unfortunately it’s not real good for "dead drifts" as you need to have some tension on the line to detect the strike and if you have tension on the line you’re not getting a dead drift. I will use a sink tip for swimming streamers across the current and also for swinging nymphs through the current to imitate a big swimming nymph (like an isonychia) or perhaps a caddis pupa (rarely but once in a while). Don’t feel you need to go out and buy all the different types of lines – floating, sinking (in 6 different densities), and sink tips (in all the different densities and about 10 or 12 different lengths). Get a floating line and learn how to use it. Then if you are going to fish specific conditions – such as on a lake at a depth of 10 feet deep – get the appropriate line for those conditions. Otherwise you can go out and buy 6 different lines or more and still not have the one you need when you need it. Hope this helps, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again. So what if they eat other fish? If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).
Which sinking line should I choose for nymph fishing in small rivers? DT, WF? sinking tip? #1-#4? and what about leaders? Sinking? Fast Sinking, Extra Fast Sinking? What’s a beginner’s choice Any ideas? Cheers, Pete. — Peter Sollander, CERN ST/MC/TCR Tel: (+41) 22.767.8081 Fax: (+41) 22.767.8910
Which sinking line should I choose for nymph fishing in small rivers?
unless the river is really large, you don’t need a sinking at all… TimW
Which sinking line should I choose for nymph fishing in small rivers?
If the river is unusually fast or deep, you might want to use a sink tip, the weight of the line depends on what your rod is rated for. The idea is to get the nymph to bounce on the bottom once in a while. A small split shot or some "Shape-A-Weight" on the leader can do the same thing. As far as being a beginning caster, I would get the Weight Forward (WF) line as it is easier to put the fly where you want it.