Took the 15′6" 11 wt. Daiwa to the park at lunch for the first trials with the Airflo shooting head system. I had on it a 45′ 12 wt. Airflo Type 7 shooting head with a 5′ leader – all attached to 100′ of Airflo running line and practiced my overhead casting with the big stick. On the fourth cast, I pulled out the backing knot between the stripper and the reel. That’s 150 freaking feet!! Now if I can only get over my Whirlpool paranoia (losing flies on the rocks on the backcast.) The Airflo shooting head system is super slick, never noticed the loops going through the guides. I’m in love . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
[shoot]. That’s 150 freaking feet!!
Man that’s gonna take awhile to get back on the spool 
Now if I can only get over my Whirlpool paranoia (losing flies on the rocks on the backcast.)
You have rocks in a laundry that is big enough for a 150ft cast? Everything *is* bigger up there The Airflo shooting head system is super slick, never noticed the loops going through the guides. I’m in love . . .
Noted. (The airflo bit 
At least when you lose the whole fly you usually realise pretty quick, losing the damn point is a much more subtle affair in the implementation and detection … Steve
[shoot]. That’s 150 freaking feet!! Man that’s gonna take awhile to get back on the spool
Marquis Salmon No.3 – not long Now if I can only get over my Whirlpool paranoia (losing flies on the rocks on the backcast.) You have rocks in a laundry that is big enough for a 150ft cast? Everything *is* bigger up there
Here’s a view of my washing machine. http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/whirlpool/spey_casting_the_line_layou… The Airflo shooting head system is super slick, never noticed the loops going through the guides. I’m in love . . . Noted. (The airflo bit At least when you lose the whole fly you usually realise pretty quick, losing the damn point is a much more subtle affair in the implementation and detection … Steve
Not with the big heads – there’s so much momentum it’s easy to snap it off and fish sans fly without noticing. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Here’s a view of my washing machine.
That the cable car line overhead? Joe F.
Here’s a view of my washing machine. That the cable car line overhead? Joe F.
And how long will it take him to tangle his line in that ? That’ll piss em off Scott
Here’s a view of my washing machine. That the cable car line overhead? Joe F.
Yup, it used_to_be out of reach. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Took the 15′6" 11 wt. Daiwa to the park at lunch for the first trials with the Airflo shooting head system. I had on it a 45′ 12 wt. Airflo Type 7 shooting head with a 5′ leader – all attached to 100′ of Airflo running line and practiced my overhead casting with the big stick. On the fourth cast, I pulled out the backing knot between the stripper and the reel. That’s 150 freaking feet!!
In the U.S that’s only 100′
Here’s a view of my washing machine. http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/whirlpool/spey_casting_the_line_layou…
S’a beautiful looking spot. Not with the big heads – there’s so much momentum it’s easy to snap it off and fish sans fly without noticing.
Yeah, thinking about it that sounds reasonable. My only experience has been with lightweight (for heads) #8 #9 and the whole thing can "get out of shape" a lot easier than the conventional #4, & 6 WF setups I use. I wonder how many Whirlpools there are world wide … I can think of 2 here in Aus. that I’ve fished … one in the salt and one in fresh. I have pics of both somewhere, but your washing machine winds hands down for scenerics. Steve
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My turn – BITE ME! Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Took the 15′6" 11 wt. Daiwa to the park at lunch for the first trials with the Airflo shooting head system. I had on it a 45′ 12 wt. Airflo Type 7 shooting head with a 5′ leader – all attached to 100′ of Airflo running line and practiced my overhead casting with the big stick. On the fourth cast, I pulled out the backing knot between the stripper and the reel. That’s 150 freaking feet!!
So how do you hook up with 150 freaking feet of line out? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
… That’s 150 freaking feet!! So how do you hook up with 150 freaking feet of line out?
Accidentally. — Ken Fortenberry
Now if I can only get over my Whirlpool paranoia (losing flies on the rocks on the backcast.)
Have you considered trying a cut 850 grain Scientific Anglers Deepwater Express shooting head? I use a soft 8 wt rod in the surf and my preferred setup is about 18 feet of LC-13 connected to a running line. I like having a short shooting head because sometimes the fish are in really close or they follow the fly all the way close to shore. Whether I land the fish or not, I have a minimal amount of work to do in order to get the head out past the guides again in preparation for another cast since the head is so short. Also, there are always dogs, kids, frisbees and who knows what else sneaking up behind me so the short head reduces the chances of incidental non-piscine hookups. A short head is also easier to lift back up to the surface when getting ready for the next cast. You lose some distance and the transition from back cast to forward cast feels more abrupt (the latter can be minimized by altering your casting motion) but I really like it for the kind of fishing I do especially given that my St. Croix is a slow action rod. You could chop that SA DWE 850 grain head down to 15 feet and still have a 425 grain head. But Airflo has the fastest sinking heads. That DWE 850 is rated at 9-10 IPS. A 300 grain Airflo will (purportedly) sink just as fast. Mu
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Have you considered trying a cut 850 grain Scientific Anglers Deepwater Express shooting head? I use a soft 8 wt rod in the surf and my preferred setup is about 18 feet of LC-13 connected to a running line. I like having a short shooting head because sometimes the fish are in really close or they follow the fly all the way close to shore. Whether I land the fish or not, I have a minimal amount of work to do in order to get the head out past the guides again in preparation for another cast since the head is so short. Also, there are always dogs, kids, frisbees and who knows what else sneaking up behind me so the short head reduces the chances of incidental non-piscine hookups. A short head is also easier to lift back up to the surface when getting ready for the next cast. You lose some distance and the transition from back cast to forward cast feels more abrupt (the latter can be minimized by altering your casting motion) but I really like it for the kind of fishing I do especially given that my St. Croix is a slow action rod. You could chop that SA DWE 850 grain head down to 15 feet and still have a 425 grain head. But Airflo has the fastest sinking heads. That DWE 850 is rated at 9-10 IPS. A 300 grain Airflo will (purportedly) sink just as fast. Mu
I’ve done that before with a DWE 850 but I *really* didn’t like how they casted. The Airflo Type 7 on a 15′6" rod isn’t a handful at all and can be brought in quite close. The rod action allows some loading in tight in the event you just want to fish in front of you and the loops are so smooth, they’ll run through the guides with no problem. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Took the 15′6" 11 wt. Daiwa to the park at lunch for the first trials with the Airflo shooting head system. I had on it a 45′ 12 wt. Airflo Type 7 shooting head with a 5′ leader – all attached to 100′ of Airflo running line and practiced my overhead casting with the big stick. On the fourth cast, I pulled out the backing knot between the stripper and the reel. That’s 150 freaking feet!! So how do you hook up with 150 freaking feet of line out?
Ken’s right – 15 lbs. of steelie or 30 lbs. of chinook doesn’t require any finesse – the fish hook themselves and with 15′ 6" of rod in the air, I can move a lot of line. The furthest out I’ve hooked a fish so far has been about 80′-85′ on a streamer (below Lower Dam on the Rapid – about a 2 1/2 lb. salmon.). There’s so much current pressure on the line that soon as you feel weight and tighten up, the pressure on the line sets the hook. Avoiding breaking off the fish, is the second biggest challenge. It is real easy to overpower your tippet with that rod in those conditions. Hooking up isn’t a big deal, getting ‘em to strike when things are slow – that’s the real challenge. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/whirlpool/spey_casting_the_line_layou… S’a beautiful looking spot.
Here is Mapquest’s rendition of the Whirlpool http://makeashorterlink.com/?U2DA6278 Looks like it’s about 900 across. And that ain’t slack water in there. Look at the direction of the river (flows northwards). I slams into the whirlpool in a northwesterly direction and then pours out northeasterly. Or maybe this is just the "shadow" Whirlpool Mu
loops are so smooth, they’ll run through the guides with no problem.
Are those the seamless polymer loops? My Rio intermediate shooting head has a loop with some sort of sleeve on it and it does not traverse the guides very well. Mu
loops are so smooth, they’ll run through the guides with no problem. Are those the seamless polymer loops? My Rio intermediate shooting head has a loop with some sort of sleeve on it and it does not traverse the guides very well. Mu
Yup, the Head loop is conventional looking but small. The running line loop is the fused polymer type, very large so it can be slipped over a spool – very well thought out. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Mr Charles, We are sorry to inform you sir that we will have to cry FOUL on the posting of that picture. To think that someone would have the cajones to post something like that only in the interest of teasing others. A pox upon you sir. Is there room in that whirlpool for 2? –SteveC– I’ll show if there are no A-6 drivers around.
–SteveC– I’ll show if there are no A-6 drivers around.
Then keep Epps out of the stew. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.
Mr Charles, We are sorry to inform you sir that we will have to cry FOUL on the posting of that picture. To think that someone would have the cajones to post something like that only in the interest of teasing others. A pox upon you sir.
nah, nah – I got my pox shots already – a pox back at ya Is there room in that whirlpool for 2?
Well sure, we can always fit in one more. Just leave the pox at home. –SteveC– I’ll show if there are no A-6 drivers around.
Ah, I see you’ve met one or two already. <g Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Peter Charles: –SteveC– I’ll show if there are no A-6 drivers around. Ah, I see you’ve met one or two already. <g Peter
Dave, 4.2L A6
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Perish the thought! This only applies to those guys that drive (and there’s only a few left) those gray Grumman A-6’s. I’ve noticed they aren’t real good around gondola wires. –SteveC– Who lives far too close to 2 naval air stations
Dave, 4.2L A6 Perish the thought! This only applies to those guys that drive (and there’s only a few left) those gray Grumman A-6’s. I’ve noticed they aren’t real good around gondola wires. –SteveC– Who lives far too close to 2 naval air stations
Ahh, that was a just little too obscure for us. We’re slipping obviously. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mr Charles, We are sorry to inform you sir that we will have to cry FOUL on the posting of that picture. To think that someone would have the cajones to post something like that only in the interest of teasing others. A pox upon you sir. nah, nah – I got my pox shots already – a pox back at ya Is there room in that whirlpool for 2? Well sure, we can always fit in one more. Just leave the pox at home. –SteveC– I’ll show if there are no A-6 drivers around. Ah, I see you’ve met one or two already. <g Peter
Unfortunately yes, I have. You can always spot ‘em from a mile off too, they love those big watches! –SteveC– I thought the Avenger was a comic book hero? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
–SteveC– I’ll show if there are no A-6 drivers around. Then keep Epps out of the stew.
Frank got it though – who ever said military intelligence is an oxymoron. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
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Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, a pawn, a disgruntled worker or a martyr for a cause; or did he just deliver justice to an out of control government?
No. He just hated like a hick .. no reason or judgement .. just bound up in an unquestioned way of life that he didn’t have the intelligence to set aside. johns
yawn just another pylon to ignore… I don’t know why anyone even bothers to find out who these "anonymous" ppl are. The internet is such a cultural wasteland filled with clueless people so eager to share their misinformed or misguided opinion. Time to put the LSD and crayons away. People truly need to learn that the gov’t really doesn’t give a rats ass about who you are, or what you do. You’re just a number in a total population figure. The reason people say ignorance is bliss is because the statement has some merit to it. Live to whatever age you live to, marry reproduce and be wormfood. Oh, and quit hogging our newsgroup bandwidth. If you aren’t behind the way the world works by now, you never will be.
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You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage.
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Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, Yes. Please post all the facts.
Facts are he was conviicted and recently admitted his role to two local reporters who interviewed him for a recently published book. Of course the jury could be wrong and Tim could have lied to the authors. Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.
You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage. Isn’t that what his government said about the children killed in various bombings around the world?
Two wrongs don’t make a right. 
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After what he did to the children and their family’s, they should just strap him to a box of dynamite and set it off……. But that would cause air pollution I suppose…… Pete
You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage. Isn’t that what his government said about the children killed in various bombings around the world?
Sometimes it is what one doesn’t say. Utterly unbelievable story in today’s paper: "Birmingham, Ala. – For three decades, the FBI failed to disclose it had hundreds of hours of tape recordings and other evidence that could help convict former Ku Klux Klansmen in the 1963 church bombing that killed four black girls. FBI spokesman Craig Dahle said, " I think it is wrong to assert there was any effort to block anything." Jay Reeves, Associated Press May 4, 2001 It was not stated just what title was put on this governmental file. Steve ~ Illegitimi Non Carborundum ~
Regardless of feelings about McVeigh’s act in OKC, it’s NOT hard to understand his rationale – especially in relation to acts like Waco that predominantly shaped his own retaliatory act as it did. If you are to understand the things people do, you have to ALSO understand their motivations. *I* understand Tim’s – I think – but what I DON’T understand is WHY, once he was caught he abandoned his "rebel crusade" and pleaded innocent, rather than stand boldly as the revolutionary he seemed to picture himself to that point. After all, "crusaders", and "revolutionaries" pretty much have to assume they will eventually be caught and punished – and when THAT happens, if they are SINCERE in their supposed beliefs, they would be expected to one more time use the public spotlite to advance their core belief rather than try to weasle out like a coward… — Gary – KJ6Q http://community.webshots.com/user/davison71 California’s energy crisis… Brought to you by your friendly environmentalists. Cold? Hungry? Roast a Spotted Owl over a family room bonfire! Out of work? Volunteer for a job at Sierra Club headquarters to help tear down more dams and power plants in California and along the Columbia river…
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croaked… Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, Yes. Please post all the facts.
Please take it off this list.
Is that what you think of doing to your president too?
Just why would one want to do that? Lets see. Your ‘name is "BUTCHER" and you ask this kind of question? Visit www.k7no.com Under construction but getting there.
Is that what you think of doing to your president too? Just why would one want to do that? Lets see. Your ‘name is "BUTCHER" and you ask this kind of question? And???
And yer cross-posting this nonesense over about half a dozen newsgroups. Seriously, if we all wanted these opinions we’d have gone out of our ways to ask y’all for them. –Ken
RW No, I disagree. I think Deanbot stopped posting at just about the time it had become clear that Clinton/Gore’s release from the energy reserve was having the intended effect on prices and supplies. Deanbot was grossly wrong and not about to deal with it. Same old same old as far as the Clinton haters go: if the facts don’t hold up, fade; if you can cover it up it didn’t happen. If you can’t cover it up, say the Demo commies did it. Like Ive said before, it is time to take back the Republican Party from these clowns, and give the American people a good second centrist alternative; Now THAT would be truly conservative. Dave McCain was the one. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The way I see it, Ken, is that I needled Richard Dean so bad with the "Deanbot" stuff that he stopped posting for awhile. I get the feeling, though, that Richard has a sense of humor and doesn’t really hold a grudge about it.
Dave McCain was the one.
We do agree on something. Would have liked to see him in. Maybe next time, hopefully. Natty Before you buy.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah Edwin… I thought it was funny too and nothing more than that… if the NY officials take it as a serious attempt to defraud the system and keep people from voting, that seems pretty weak… I mean when was the last time election day WASN’T on the first Tuesday of November?? I also was amazed at the uproar here in California re the website that was offering to "trade votes"…. because Gore is expected to win in California, a lot of Nader supporters didn’t want to see their votes "wasted" and want to ensure the Green Party gets it’s 5% for federal matching funds…. so they were offering people in other states to sign up for "trade a vote"…. I’ll vote for YOUR candidate in MY state if you’ll vote for MY candidate in YOUR state… The State Attorney General shutdown the website saying that the process was illegal as it altered the voting process and was essentially "influencing vote outcome" … now the AG has come under fire for shutting down the site because that’s in violation of a federal law =) go figure….
I’d heard about that, and I actually wondered if the Nader people weren’t behind it. I would think someone there would have realized the danger – even he got 5%, it would be charged (and possibly correctly) that it wasn’t a "real" 5%, and therefore, the Greens weren’t entitled to matching funds. No matter who won, R’s or D’s, neither would be too amused with Nader, and both would likely enjoy seeing him get skewered on his own sword. As to the email, I’ve seen both variants, R’s vote Nov. 7th, and D’s the 8th, and vice-versa, so maybe it’s like "Suppose They Gave an Election and Nobody Voted…." <G TC, R
I’d heard about that, and I actually wondered if the Nader people weren’t behind it. …
What’s up with this, rw ? Not enough time before the election to implement all the new software ? I was hoping to see a little bit of flyfishing in the new release to make Dickybot appear more lifelike. Frankly, I don’t see that this version of Dickybot is any improvement over the last. — Ken Fortenberry
I’d heard about that, and I actually wondered if the Nader people weren’t behind it. … What’s up with this, rw ? Not enough time before the election to implement all the new software ? I was hoping to see a little bit of flyfishing in the new release to make Dickybot appear more lifelike. Frankly, I don’t see that this version of Dickybot is any improvement over the last.
The way I see it, Ken, is that I needled Richard Dean so bad with the "Deanbot" stuff that he stopped posting for awhile. I get the feeling, though, that Richard has a sense of humor and doesn’t really hold a grudge about it. I do feel kind of bad about it, though, and I’d really like to move on if you don’t mind, or even if you do mind. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d heard about that, and I actually wondered if the Nader people weren’t behind it. … What’s up with this, rw ? Not enough time before the election to implement all the new software ? I was hoping to see a little bit of flyfishing in the new release to make Dickybot appear more lifelike. Frankly, I don’t see that this version of Dickybot is any improvement over the last. The way I see it, Ken, is that I needled Richard Dean so bad with the "Deanbot" stuff that he stopped posting for awhile. I get the feeling, though, that Richard has a sense of humor and doesn’t really hold a grudge about it. I do feel kind of bad about it, though, and I’d really like to move on if you don’t mind, or even if you do mind.
I thought the "Deanbot" stuff was funny, hence my playing along. I was, and still feel the name stuff is taking offensive liberties a they were politely asked not to do so, as I explained, but it is the who and not the what – I don’t mind friends _joking_ because it is not meant in a derogatory way, but _no one_ on ROFF is close enough as of yet to take such liberties. I _stopped_ posting for a number of reasons, most having nothing whatsoever to do with particular people on ROFF – there are other demands on the time of a capitalist running dog…ecosystems to get out of balance, trees to cut, etc.<G, and I didn’t realize I needed to explain or "check out" <G. Now, I will say, I almost didn’t but ROFF on the new system because of the reasons explained elsewhere, geeky wannabe verbal bullies like fartingfairy (my spell checker suggests "Farthingale"….hmm) and puppydog could no more drive me away from where I wanted to be than they could act like gentlemen…. TC, R PS – Farthingale might be a good name for him – although I know no one _named_ "Farthingale," I know some that _could_ be named Farthingale, and Fartingfairy sounds like one of them….
Now, I will say, I almost didn’t but ROFF on the new system because of the reasons explained elsewhere, geeky wannabe verbal bullies like fartingfairy (my spell checker suggests "Farthingale"….hmm) and puppydog could no more drive me away from where I wanted to be than they could act like gentlemen…. TC, R PS – Farthingale might be a good name for him – although I know no one _named_ "Farthingale," I know some that _could_ be named Farthingale, and Fartingfairy sounds like one of them….
Sir; In the interest of preserving the dignity of this august group, I am afraid I must refrain from telling just what I thi….mph……ahem, what I mphphphph….BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Due to an anticipated voter turnout much larger than originally expected, the polling facilities may not be able to handle the load all at once. Therefore, Democrats are requested to vote on Tuesday, November 7, and Republicans on Wednesday, November 8. Please pass this message along and help us to make sure that nobody gets left out.
Larry, Last nite here in albany Ny, local media had mention of this kooky style email that if floating around. Personally, I think it is quite funny. But I wondered why it would be mentioned onthe news? turns out NY authorities are taking a grimmer view of the email,even though it seems clearly to be a joke. Keeping someone from voting is a felony. And Ny authorities are taking this email as an attempt to keep people form voting. Efforts are afoot to track down the originator of the email. DO with that info what you will.. cheers edwin (apparently, ny authorities have even less of a sense of humor than is visible on ROFF)
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Yeah Edwin… I thought it was funny too and nothing more than that… if the NY officials take it as a serious attempt to defraud the system and keep people from voting, that seems pretty weak… I mean when was the last time election day WASN’T on the first Tuesday of November?? I also was amazed at the uproar here in California re the website that was offering to "trade votes"…. because Gore is expected to win in California, a lot of Nader supporters didn’t want to see their votes "wasted" and want to ensure the Green Party gets it’s 5% for federal matching funds…. so they were offering people in other states to sign up for "trade a vote"…. I’ll vote for YOUR candidate in MY state if you’ll vote for MY candidate in YOUR state… The State Attorney General shutdown the website saying that the process was illegal as it altered the voting process and was essentially "influencing vote outcome" … now the AG has come under fire for shutting down the site because that’s in violation of a federal law =) go figure….
The State Attorney General shutdown the website saying that the process was illegal as it altered the voting process and was essentially "influencing vote outcome" … now the AG has come under fire for shutting down the site because that’s in violation of a federal law =) go figure….
It’s a very interesting situation. The question is whether the websites offer an "inducement" to vote a certain way, which is illegal. I think a case could be made either way. The ACLU is seeking a temporary restraining order on the Attorney General’s action against the web site on 1st Ammendment grounds. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
I’m taking an intermediate fly-fishing class at our local university this Saturday. :-) Good idea? Yes. They teach flyfishing at a university? Do they offer advanced degrees? Can you get a PhD in flyfishing? Are you studying entomology and physics (i.e., casting)?
This class covers entomology, learning to read the water, river and lake methodology, and casting clinic for corrections. It’s just one of those extra classes not for any degree. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.
Sid’s ded, but Messrs. Cook and Lydon can be had…Anyone know where Biafra is at?
I’m not dead, man. Now where’s that damn Nancy? I coulda sworn she was just here…. – sid
They teach flyfishing at a university? Do they offer advanced degrees? Can you get a PhD in flyfishing? Are you studying entomology and physics (i.e., casting)? I think they’ve had fly fishing offered at Penn State for many years. Maybe Frogspritz can shed some light on this.
By the most remarkable coincidence, I was at a TU picnic with Frogspritz, aka Mark Faulkner, a coupla hours ago. As you may have noticed, he has been too busy loyering lately to be on the net. So perhaps I may be permitted to respond. All undergraduate students at PSU, except veterans and perhaps a few others, must take a couple of credits in physical education. I think that’s true of most colleges and universities. Many many years ago, before most of you were born, (almost before *I* was born), George Harvey began teaching fly casting and tying as one of the many physical education courses. That was mentioned in George Leonard Herter’s book on fly tying, published at least 30 years ago. To the best of my knowledge, neither a BA, a BS, an MA, an MS, nor a Ph.D. in fly fishing is offered. I’m happy to report that George Harvey was also at the picnic, in good health. vince norris
Many many years ago, before most of you were born, (almost before *I* was born), George Harvey began teaching fly casting and tying as one of the many physical education courses. That was mentioned in George Leonard Herter’s book on fly tying, published at least 30 years ago. I’m happy to report that George Harvey was also at the picnic, in good health.
Wow, he’s got to be almost 90, that’s cool. Joe Humphreys told me it was George who passed the baton to him for teaching the fly fishing course. If I remember right he just recently retired (Joe). I wonder if anyone is, or will be, teaching next. Wish my school had that. Shouldn’t gripe though, I got a credit for spending a long weekend at a beautiful Adirondack lodge on Racquette Lack cross country skiing and hanging by the fireplace with a bunch of girls I hadn’t met yet. Those were the days….. Regards, Jeff
Hi guys! I drive by a river on most days, and I keep thinking…. hmmmmm I would love to try fly fishing…. But of course I dont know the first thing.. is there any resourses I should look at? I found sites with stuff, that I will need ot get started, but what about technique? is it something special? or back and forth?
It’s a _little_ more involved than that. You also have to remember that you’re supposed to be having fun instead of stressing. Seriously, though, we’re fishermen, and therefore opinionated bastards who will turn any question into a holy war. Try to remember that it’s nothing personal. I recommend a real live casting lesson. If you can find a guide who will include one in a day’s guiding, that might be even better. If not, ask at a local fly shop. I tried to teach myself from a video from Orvis, and I’m not entirely happy with that method. As far as gear…for starter gear, I would personally look at St. Croix, Cabelas, or the lower-end Sage rods. If you can find a local shop that stocks them and doesn’t hard-sell the more expensive stuff, then go there. But remember: fly shops are all too often trying to sell rods, rather than selling you the _right_ rod for your needs. (I knew one exception, in Overland Park, KS. But supposedly there’s a really good one in Loveland, CO, if you’re anywhere near there.) "My father said to be strong, ‘that a good man could never do wrong’ in a dream I had last night in America" -Los Lobos
I’m happy to report that George Harvey was also at the picnic, in good health. Wow, he’s got to be almost 90, that’s cool. Joe Humphreys told me it was George who passed the baton to him for teaching the fly fishing course.
That’s right. If I remember right he just recently retired (Joe).
Joe retired ten or so years ago, IIRC. He was succeeded by Vance McCullough, who either retired or just left the faculty to run a bar-restaurant (mostly a student hangout) with his brother. I’ve heard the name of the present instructor, but I don’t recall it. vince norris
see, goddammit, ken *can* be nice. *we* can be nice! isn’t that nice?
Snip a bunch of nice shit. All this nice shit is enough to make me want to dye my hair pink, join a punk rock band and throw up on the audience. Big Dale
see, goddammit, ken *can* be nice. *we* can be nice! isn’t that nice? Snip a bunch of nice shit. All this nice shit is enough to make me want to dye my hair pink, join a punk rock band and throw up on the audience. Big Dale
KEEEEWL….Can I play bass? If you gots a bass player, can I play harpsicord? Got my Funksteiner all tuned, my Rit and safety pins, and ready to go….Sid’s ded, but Messrs. Cook and Lydon can be had…Anyone know where Biafra is at? JELLO…is you out there? GOD SAVE THE QUEEN AND HER FACIST REGIME!!! we gonna make jake and elwood look like pikers!
I’m taking an intermediate fly-fishing class at our local university this Saturday. :-) Good idea? Yes.
They teach flyfishing at a university? Do they offer advanced degrees? Can you get a PhD in flyfishing? Are you studying entomology and physics (i.e., casting)? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
Nice post, Wayne. Willi
Nice of you to go the trouble to post that, Willi. Regards, Jeff
They teach flyfishing at a university? Do they offer advanced degrees? Can you get a PhD in flyfishing? Are you studying entomology and physics (i.e., casting)?
I think they’ve had fly fishing offered at Penn State for many years. Maybe Frogspritz can shed some light on this. Mu
They teach flyfishing at a university? Do they offer advanced degrees? Can you get a PhD in flyfishing? Are you studying entomology and physics (i.e., casting)? I think they’ve had fly fishing offered at Penn State for many years. Maybe Frogspritz can shed some light on this.
Oregon State has had it for at least the last 8 years. Never took it oddly enough, saw them out casting to the "grass trout" on sunny days though. - Ken
I believe you may have struck a nerve, Vern! However, I must say you egged this one on. So much for the niceness that Wayne Harrison wrote about. Let the *Games* begin. Op
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The URL is on my web-site which is bellow. Other than that, I’m not going to say a word. Is that okay with you Ken? Oh, blow it out yer ass, you despicable cretin. — Ken Fortenberry
see, goddammit, ken *can* be nice. *we* can be nice! isn’t that nice? oh, god, it’s so nice!! and now the entire web will know us as nice guys! and all our sins of arrogance and impatience will be forgiven, all because ken is nice, now! and maybe dozens of nice guys will learn about how nice it is to flyfish, and how nice the guys who flyfish really are! and, with luck, they will come in their thousands to fish with us, bringing their children, and their golden labs, all driving relentlessly toward the fast running blue cold water, driving in their discos and ‘ru’s and ernie bauers, until we join together in one surging mass of deliriously happy nice people, all wealthy, healthy and wise, because we are, in the final analysis, so deeply *nice*!
Nice post, Wayne. Willi
Deleted some good advice I recommend seeking out a mentor, a flyfishing friend or some willing member of a local Trout Unlimited or Federation of Fly Fishers chapter to teach you the basics. Failing that, hire a guide that’s willing to teach you the rudiments.
Finding someone to help you will definitely save you alot of trial and error, mostly error. I had been fly fishing on and off for a number of years before I found another fly fisherman to fish with (my family were spin fishermen). I learned the first couple of days fishing with this person than I had learned over several years on my own and through reading. Back to watch the Avs beat the Wings Willi
see, goddammit, ken *can* be nice.
Nah. Some alien stole Ken’s keyboard and his body…….OH and chiggers with a fucking ALIEN!!! Oh man, I DON’T wanna do this anymore!
see, goddammit, ken *can* be nice. *we* can be nice! isn’t that nice? Snip a bunch of nice shit. All this nice shit is enough to make me want to dye my hair pink, join a punk rock band and throw up on the audience. Big Dale
LMAO! Man, *that’s* imagery! /daytripper (bringing a rain coat to NC for sure ;^)
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – see, goddammit, ken *can* be nice. *we* can be nice! isn’t that nice? Snip a bunch of nice shit. All this nice shit is enough to make me want to dye my hair pink, join a punk rock band and throw up on the audience. Big Dale KEEEEWL….Can I play bass? If you gots a bass player, can I play harpsicord? Got my Funksteiner all tuned, my Rit and safety pins, and ready to go….Sid’s ded, but Messrs. Cook and Lydon can be had…Anyone know where Biafra is at? JELLO…is you out there? GOD SAVE THE QUEEN AND HER FACIST REGIME!!! we gonna make jake and elwood look like pikers!
Remember, the drummer gets to choke to death on someone else’s vomit! Squiggy
The URL is on my web-site which is bellow. Other than that, I’m not going to say a word. Is that okay with you Ken?
Oh, blow it out yer ass, you despicable cretin. — Ken Fortenberry
Hi guys! I drive by a river on most days, and I keep thinking…. hmmmmm I would love to try fly fishing…. But of course I dont know the first thing.. is there any resourses I should look at? I found sites with stuff, that I will need ot get started, but what about technique? is it something special? or back and forth? Thanks in Advance Dan
Hi guys! I drive by a river on most days, and I keep thinking…. hmmmmm I would love to try fly fishing…. But of course I dont know the first thing.. is there any resourses I should look at? I found sites with stuff, that I will need ot get started, but what about technique? is it something special? or back and forth?
We generally recommend the _Curtis Creek Manifesto_ by Sheridan Anderson Frank Amato Pubns; ISBN: 0936608064 and a trip to your local flyshop for gear help. Lately some folks have been recommending inexpensive mail order gear. Flyfishermen tend to be an opinionated and cantankerous lot so you’ll probably not find a consensus on this topic, or any other for that matter, in this forum. We do have a FAQ and hopefully someone that knows the URL will point you to it. I recommend seeking out a mentor, a flyfishing friend or some willing member of a local Trout Unlimited or Federation of Fly Fishers chapter to teach you the basics. Failing that, hire a guide that’s willing to teach you the rudiments. Good luck. — Ken Fortenberry
We do have a FAQ and hopefully someone that knows the URL will point you to it.
The URL is on my web-site which is bellow. Other than that, I’m not going to say a word. Is that okay with you Ken? — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.
I would try checking out your local video store or public library for an "intro to flyfishing" video. There’s alot more than just "back and forth", although you’d never guess it by reading ROFF…
I’m taking an intermediate fly-fishing class at our local university this Saturday. :-) Good idea? Yes. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -We generally recommend the _Curtis Creek Manifesto_ by Sheridan Anderson Frank Amato Pubns; ISBN: 0936608064 and a trip to your local flyshop for gear help. Lately some folks have been recommending inexpensive mail order gear. Flyfishermen tend to be an opinionated and cantankerous lot so you’ll probably not find a consensus on this topic, or any other for that matter, in this forum. We do have a FAQ and hopefully someone that knows the URL will point you to it. I recommend seeking out a mentor, a flyfishing friend or some willing member of a local Trout Unlimited or Federation of Fly Fishers chapter to teach you the basics. Failing that, hire a guide that’s willing to teach you the rudiments. Good luck. — Ken Fortenberry
see, goddammit, ken *can* be nice. *we* can be nice! isn’t that nice? oh, god, it’s so nice!! and now the entire web will know us as nice guys! and all our sins of arrogance and impatience will be forgiven, all because ken is nice, now! and maybe dozens of nice guys will learn about how nice it is to flyfish, and how nice the guys who flyfish really are! and, with luck, they will come in their thousands to fish with us, bringing their children, and their golden labs, all driving relentlessly toward the fast running blue cold water, driving in their discos and ‘ru’s and ernie bauers, until we join together in one surging mass of deliriously happy nice people, all wealthy, healthy and wise, because we are, in the final analysis, so deeply *nice*! wayno
I just got back from the White river,fished nymphs,midges,and sow bugs, caught some fish.I fished an olive wooley bugger tied sparce size10 and caught MANY fish!
april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time. Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). How about Big browns and streamers?
I have never fished the area in April, but the White can be a good river to wade depending on how much water is being released from the dam at Bull Shoals.Dale Fulton runs Blue Ribbon Flies in Mountain Home. He would be a fantastic point of contact because he is extremely knowledgable. His E-mail is like most other rivers in that sometimes dry flies work and sometimes they don’t. I prefer to fish with soft hackles so that is what I use a lot. A local pattern known as the Red Ass has done real well for me.I always take some small olive woolly buggers as well. Some people use carcass flies as well due to the turbines. Hope this helps a bit and you have a great time Big Dale
Chris wrote;My spring break is coming up and I was thinking about heading down to the White River in the Ozark’s of Arkansaw.. Any comments on this area from the group? Are there good places to camp down there? I always enjoy tne Mountain Home area: There is a great state park on the White River just below thaedam at Bull Shoals. The Sow Bug Roundup is March 19 and 20th in Mountain Home. Enjoy spring break. Don’t forget that the Norfolk river has more sow bugs than any other place on earth.
Ok, where are good flyfishing waters. I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time. Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). How about Big browns and streamers?
Ok, where are good flyfishing waters. I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time.
There is rarely any dry fly fishing on the White or the North Fork. I’ve heard rumors of an occasional caddis hatch. Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description).
Your father-in-law is correct. The generators at the Bull Shoals Dam are alleged to have a schedule, (check at the fly shop in Mountain Home), but in my experience anytime somebody in Oklahoma turns on their air conditioner the siren goes off and the riffle you were fishing is very quickly under 4 feet of water. DANGEROUS wading. I suggest the North Fork River for wading. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. How about Big browns and streamers?
If that’s your cup of tea you’ll probably need a boat to float the White. Many outfitters and guides in the area, few that cater to flyfisherman. — Ken Fortenberry
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, where are good flyfishing waters. I’ll be down there in april, is there any dryfly fishing at that time. There is rarely any dry fly fishing on the White or the North Fork. I’ve heard rumors of an occasional caddis hatch. Are there any place I can go to wade (I’m assuming that the white river isn’t a good place to wade from my father-in-law’s description). Your father-in-law is correct. The generators at the Bull Shoals Dam are alleged to have a schedule, (check at the fly shop in Mountain Home), but in my experience anytime somebody in Oklahoma turns on their air conditioner the siren goes off and the riffle you were fishing is very quickly under 4 feet of water. DANGEROUS wading. I suggest the North Fork River for wading. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. Sow bugs. How about Big browns and streamers? If that’s your cup of tea you’ll probably need a boat to float the White. Many outfitters and guides in the area, few that cater to flyfisherman. — Ken Fortenberry
Don’t forget the Yuk Bugs…..the browns love em’ at night… Greg H.
Chris wrote;My spring break is coming up and I was thinking about heading down to the White River in the Ozark’s of Arkansaw.. Any comments on this area from the group? Are there good places to camp down there?
I always enjoy tne Mountain Home area: There is a great state park on the White River just below thaedam at Bull Shoals. The Sow Bug Roundup is March 19 and 20th in Mountain Home. Enjoy spring break. Don’t forget that the Norfolk river has more sow bugs than any other place on earth. Big Dale
My spring break is coming up and I was thinking about heading down to the White River in the Ozark’s of Arkansaw.. Any comments on this area from the group? Are there good places to camp down there?
Looking to fly fish in the Smokies the end of May. Any input or suggestions would be appreciated. TIA. Bruce —
Where in the Smokies? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking to fly fish in the Smokies the end of May. Any input or suggestions would be appreciated. TIA. Bruce —
Thanks for the reply. Big Cr. and Cataloochee. We are tent campers and realize the areas may be busy. Any input is appreciated. Joyce and Bruce — FRIENDSHIP True friendship comes when silence between two friends is comfortable.
Hi, My son is very keen to take up fly fishing but the problem is that I (his dad) knows nothing about the right equipment to buy. He intends to fish for trout and salmon on both lakes and rivers in Scotland. What should I be looking for? Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks
Hi- You might want to take a look at the GORP article entitled Tackle Time for Kids (http://www.gorp.com/gorp/publishers/countryman/fis_kids.htm) which includes some tips on buying your child their first fly rod. Hope you find what you are looking for! Regards, Diane GORP – http://www.gorp.com GORP Fishing = http://www.gorp.com/gorp/activity/fishing.htm
_____A simple cane pole and a can of worms, a pond full of gills and a couple of old fashioned boloney sandwiches topped off with a can of Coke. You’ll make a fisherman of him, I promise. Mr. G.
Hi, I think its great you’ve taken the time to research this a bit first ! For a good all round outfit, start with an 8′6" rod for a 7 wgt. line and a reel that is for the same. The rod and the reel and line should all be 7 or 8 weight – this combination is perfect for your situation as it will be just right for most trout in Scotland, but will handle salmon, too. Bill Curry Tight Lines Guide Service http://www.tightlines.ns.ca – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, My son is very keen to take up fly fishing but the problem is that I (his dad) knows nothing about the right equipment to buy. He intends to fish for trout and salmon on both lakes and rivers in Scotland. What should I be looking for? Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks
Hi, My son is very keen to take up fly fishing but the problem is that I (his dad) knows nothing about the right equipment to buy. He intends to fish for trout and salmon on both lakes and rivers in Scotland. What should I be looking for? Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks
I’d suggest trying to find a local trout unlimited or Salmon unlimited fishing group. Your son will need a mentor to help him learn how to flyfish. I bet the local fishing shop will know of some local clubs to help your son. Maybe you’d like to join too and share a hobby with your son.
the problem is that I (his dad) knows nothing about the right equipment to buy.
First of all, dad, don’t go uot and buy top of the line stuff. You’re son won’t need it. Go down to your local FF shop and ask for a beginner kit that has everything- rod, reel, flyline, leader, tippet, etc. Cortland makes several sets that are real serviceable. Second, enroll him in a local FF club. He’ll learn the right way to use his equipment, and meet a lot of people who will be able to help him in his new found sport. And with luck, You will catch the bug, too. Feel free to e- mail me if you have further questions. Best regards, Frank. Frank Longtine 1984 Ford F-150 1973 Rokon Trail Breaker 1994 Specialized Stumpjumper Two good feet
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I actually saw and held a size 32 Royal Coachman tied by Lee Wulff…quite a few years ago, asit happens. They did exist at some point. Herters Professional Fly Tying book stated that the small fly was tied by Miss Helene Shaw on Jan 21, 1939. It was tied on a specially made English hook size forty. The was pattern was a Royal Coachman. I don’t know if you can believe this source. Herter’s books are very interesting to read. There is alot of good information in them but you really have to sift through them. According to him, he originated almost every fly pattern & designed most everything used for tying & fly fishing. Fun books from a real character! Willi
My original queries on seeing the request for where to buy these was "What length are these hooks, what gape are they, are they up eyed down eyed or straight eyed? I don’t believe they are any more than a renumbered small hook given the number to massage the egos of fly tiers. A bit like American dress sizes are given smaller numbers than they get in England. richard
I actually saw and held a size 32 Royal Coachman tied by Lee Wulff…quite a few years ago, asit happens. They did exist at some point.
Any major compromises in construction details ?…I mean… that band of peacock/floss/peacock alone would be wider than the shank length, wouldn’t it ? Curious…thanks… — TimW Halfordian Golfer
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And what material was used for the leader and how many fish did he catch with these flies? richard
I actually saw and held a size 32 Royal Coachman tied by Lee Wulff…quite a few years ago, asit happens. They did exist at some point.
Herters Professional Fly Tying book stated that the small fly was tied by Miss Helene Shaw on Jan 21, 1939. It was tied on a specially made English hook size forty. The was pattern was a Royal Coachman. I don’t know if you can believe this source. Herter’s books are very interesting to read. There is alot of good information in them but you really have to sift through them. According to him, he originated almost every fly pattern & designed most everything used for tying & fly fishing. Fun books from a real character! Willi
I actually saw and held a size 32 Royal Coachman tied by Lee Wulff…quite a few years ago, asit happens. They did exist at some point. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just checking if anyone out there can help me find some size 32 hooks. Size 32 hooks are a figment of your imagination, as are any fish you might hook with one. The eye would be bigger than the hook. Anglerboy
Just checking if anyone out there can help me find some size 32 hooks. Size 32 hooks are a figment of your imagination, as are any fish you might hook with one. The eye would be bigger than the hook. Anglerboy — Trout fear me, Women want me.
FWIW. Some years ago I read in the "Guiness book of records", the smallest fly ever tyed on a hook was a dry "Royal Coachman" size 30+ something back in the thirties by a lady. ( Don’t recall her name) Jocke
I have some size #32 hooks (sorry, personal inventory only). I can not locate my source but they are labeled: Mustad M277. Mustad’s web site may be of further assistance. Good luck all! Mike.
Somewhere down from #20 you have to tie a snell because there is no eye, just a little nub.
I just returned from a old tackle shop, and while I was there making my purchase of flies, I checked out the hooks. The smallest I could find there was a size #28, it had a eye too. I was talking to a dealer at a shop few weeks ago, and he claimed there is a size #32 still around and this does not have a eye, just a little "nub" as you have stated…. –Randy Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.
And I’ve seen ‘em, too. Some rodbuilders now use them to lay into the epoxy coat on the guide wraps. Very decorative, but can’t imagine the size tippet you’d need to put through the eye.
Ahh now I understand. These hooks are made by Letraset….! richard
Somewhere down from #20 you have to tie a snell because there is no eye, just a little nub. And I’ve seen ‘em, too. Some rodbuilders now use them to lay into the epoxy coat on the guide wraps. Very decorative, but can’t imagine the size tippet you’d need to put through the eye.
The initial question is…why so small a HOOK? Once you get to the level of stability with 8x…#22_hook?, why don’t you just tie the smaller pattern on the #22? Once you get to #22..the hooking % will probably drop…..? steve
And I’ve seen ‘em, too. Some rodbuilders now use them to lay into the epoxy coat on the guide wraps. Very decorative, but can’t imagine the size tippet you’d need to put through the eye.
Somewhere down from #20 you have to tie a snell because there is no eye, just a little nub. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And I’ve seen ‘em, too. Some rodbuilders now use them to lay into the epoxy coat on the guide wraps. Very decorative, but can’t imagine the size tippet you’d need to put through the eye.
Go on then tell us what is a size #32 hook when it’s at home? What length is it or a size #30 for that matter? What gape? Is there an eye? Is it ringed straight? Or turned up or down?
Some European hooks for coarse fishing are as small as a 30 or 32 on Mustad scale. They are usually made with a spade end, to be whipped directly to nylon. These seem different from the gold up-eyed hooks for fly tyers sold briefly in N.America as size 30 or 32 in the 1970s. — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs, | | Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734 |
I watched two fellows tie #30s by lanternlight just a couple of weekends ago beside the West Branch of the Ausable in NY. Mind you, I didn’t see anyone actually _fish_ with ‘em!
Go on then tell us what is a size #32 hook when it’s at home? What length is it or a size #30 for that matter? What gape? Is there an eye? Is it ringed straight? Or turned up or down? Or are these hooks numbered in a reverse of the practice used in describing dress sizes in America? A size 12 dress in America would be called a size 18 in England to flatter the buyer. Is there a fawning practice here of certain crafty hook suppliers to massage the egos of fly tyers and thus ensure some extra sales? richard
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: Just checking if anyone out there can help me find some size 32 hooks. : Size 32 hooks are a figment of your imagination, as are any fish you : might hook with one. The eye would be bigger than the hook. : Anglerboy : — : Trout fear me, : Women want me. Aren’t they controlled by the EPA these days as suspected carcinogens as are other fine dusts like asbestos and silica? Mike — Michael McGuire Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (415)-857-5491 Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971
Just checking if anyone out there can help me find some size 32 hooks. Size 32 hooks are a figment of your imagination, as are any fish you might hook with one. The eye would be bigger than the hook. The smallest hook I ever seen was a #28, and I cannot imagine something smaller. Personnally I will not fish with something smaller than 18 or 20.
I watched two fellows tie #30s by lanternlight just a couple of weekends ago beside the West Branch of the Ausable in NY. Mind you, I didn’t see anyone actually _fish_ with ‘em! — Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Disclaimer: Over 30 and born in Fredericton, NB
From my experiences, there are some differences between companies as to sizes of hooks. I have seen no. 20 hooks from Veniard that compared to no 18 hooks from Partridge.
This is true; the standards vary. Regarding #32’s, I think there is a photograph in Robert Traver’s _Anatomy of a Fisherman_ which shows the #32 hooks which John Voelker/Robert Traver used. Woods Hole, MA USA
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just checking if anyone out there can help me find some size 32 hooks. Size 32 hooks are a figment of your imagination, as are any fish you might hook with one. The eye would be bigger than the hook. Anglerboy The smallest hook I ever seen was a #28, and I cannot imagine something smaller. Personnally I will not fish with something smaller than 18 or 20. By the way, does anyone know what unit of measure these hook numbers use? Sounds like a fraction of something, as the greater the number, the smaller the hook, but not being familiar with UK/US units of measure, I’m missing the starting point. We adopted the same numbers in France.
From my experiences, there are some differences between companies as to sizes of hooks. I have seen no. 20 hooks from Veniard that compared to no 18 hooks from Partridge.
Size 32 hooks are a figment of your imagination, as are any fish you
might hook with one. The eye would be bigger than the hook. Anglerboy — Trout fear me, Women want me. what do you do when the fish are only selectively rising to #32 bugs? why you quit, sit and watch the fish rise, or just enjoy being outside, or you could drink a few beers. chris
Size 32 hooks are a figment of your imagination, as are any fish you might hook with one. The eye would be bigger than the hook.
A friend of mine gave a box of 100 size 32 hooks to me around 1973. Since I have only a dozen or so left and not in the original box I cannot pass along any additional manufacturer info other than to discrbe them as gold with up-turned eyes. I tied extremely small midges which worked quite well at producing takes on the Monocacy and Little Lehigh in eastern PA. However, as suggested, hooking fish was tough. I have never seen commercially advertized hooks smaller than 28 aside from these which were available only for a year or two back in the mid 1970s. ..No, the few I have left are not for sale. Dennis
Size 32 hooks are a figment of your imagination, as are any fish you might hook with one. The eye would be bigger than the hook.
Size 32 hooks are sold in Europe. They are made with spade ends, for you to whip on to a tippet, or sold snelled. — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs, | | Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734 |
Just checking if anyone out there can help me find some size 32 hooks. Size 32 hooks are a figment of your imagination, as are any fish you might hook with one. The eye would be bigger than the hook. Anglerboy
The smallest hook I ever seen was a #28, and I cannot imagine something smaller. Personnally I will not fish with something smaller than 18 or 20. By the way, does anyone know what unit of measure these hook numbers use? Sounds like a fraction of something, as the greater the number, the smaller the hook, but not being familiar with UK/US units of measure, I’m missing the starting point. We adopted the same numbers in France.
Just checking if anyone out there can help me find some size 32 hooks.
Size 32 hooks are a figment of your imagination, as are any fish you might hook with one. The eye would be bigger than the hook. Anglerboy — Trout fear me, Women want me.
Size 32 hooks are a figment of your imagination, as are any fish you might hook with one. The eye would be bigger than the hook.
Darn tootin’. I have mustad 94842 hollow points down to a size 28 and with my aging eyesight I can barely see the eye (let alone thread anything through it). The hole appears to be smaller than the diameter of a human hair and you can only just see light through it. David E. Malone All opinions expressed are my own.
Just checking if anyone out there can help me find some size 32 hooks. Will be glad to pay or trade for any amount. Gunner
I was poking around the Hiwassee in Tennessee recently, and a friend took me to a tributary, Springwater Creek. True to its name, this creek had crystal-clear water. Anyway, there were PILES of trout-size fish holding in pools near the mouth of this creek. My friend said they came upriver to spawn but couldn’t be caught. He told me what they were, but I’ve forgotten the name…I think their name had the word "red" in it, like "red horse" or something like that. Does anybody know what these are? More importantly, is it true they can’t be enticed by a fly? (I saw plenty that were over 12".) — Scott Wilkinson Montgomery County, Maryland
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was poking around the Hiwassee in Tennessee recently, and a friend took me to a tributary, Springwater Creek. True to its name, this creek had crystal-clear water. Anyway, there were PILES of trout-size fish holding in pools near the mouth of this creek. My friend said they came upriver to spawn but couldn’t be caught. He told me what they were, but I’ve forgotten the name…I think their name had the word "red" in it, like "red horse" or something like that. Does anybody know what these are? More importantly, is it true they can’t be enticed by a fly? (I saw plenty that were over 12".) — Scott Wilkinson Montgomery County, Maryland
Yes, they are called redhorses. There are actually several species of them, namely the black-, silver-, river-, golden-, and shorthead- redhorses, but you have to be an expert to tell them apart, as they look extremely similar. They range up to about 20 inches, when they weigh about 3 or 4 pounds. They dont fight very well in my opinion. They eat matter off the bottom, rarely if ever eating something in the water column. When they spawn, THEY SPAWN, concentrating in huge numbers. You can take a flashlight at night and see them everywhere at good spawning sites. I have caught them using crawfish tails and earthworms, fished on the bottom, but I dont think I have ever caught one on a fly. They seem to feed by taste more than by site, and a fly would have to be on the bottom for them to even consider taking it. I am afraid fly fishing for them would be impractical. -Josh Crunk -Cookeville, TN
writes: <stuff about suckers but I have never seen them take an artificial. Liek most suckers they feed by smell, something flies lack. Crashjibe
I have caught several suckers on steelhead flies and nymphs. This was before I found out about shrimp oil , so I am pretty sure they picked the flies up on sight. Have also caught carp on unbaited jigs, so I would be careful about broad characterizations about what these fish do and don’t do. ATB
Red horse is a midwestern name for a type of sucker found in streams and rivers of the Ohio/Mississippi river drainage. They do look somewhat troutlike from above. When I was a graduate student we used to get lots of them electrofishing (a form of non fatal stunning), but I have never seen them take an artificial. Liek most suckers they feed by smell, something flies lack. Crashjibe
I am afraid fly fishing for them would be impractical.<
Ah, not so. In clear water, redhorse and other suckers will eagerly take a nymph rolled on the bottom. They are bottom feeders for the most part, but will also take dries if you happen upon them during a heavy hatch. Their topwater feeding is particularly interesting because, with their mouths on the underside, they have to roll inverted to suck in the flies. Good fighters, though, capable of stripping a light reel in short order. JL 8-Wt Editor
I ‘ve taken red horse on a #10 Hares Ear esactly where you speak of.
Ted W. Simon Nothing is true. Everything is permitted. – William S. Burroughs – Cities of the Red Night
I believe these are also "red horse suckers" or a carp species. You can catch them on a fly, especially if you are fishing for steelhead right along the bottom with nymphs. I have had this accidental experience. The take is subtle, and there is an initial sharp tug, as you would expect from any fish of this size. But you soon find that you are doing the euqivalent of dragging in an old boot. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Yes, they are called redhorses. There are actually several species of them, namely the black-, silver-, river-, golden-, and shorthead- redhorses, but you have to be an expert to tell them apart, as they look extremely similar. They range up to about 20 inches, when they weigh about 3 or 4 pounds. They dont fight very well in my opinion. They eat matter off the bottom, rarely if ever eating something in the water column.
I have been fly fishing for about 14 years now and unfortunately live in southern California. When I can’t get to the Eastern Sierra, Idaho or Montana I’m forced to try our sometimes barrren offerings here. My question is this …… without revealing too much, does anyone out there have any experience on waters other than the W.F San Gabriel, Deep Creek, Bear Creek, E.F San Gabriel etc….. If so please reply to: Thanks
I have been fly fishing for about 14 years now and unfortunately live in southern California. When I can’t get to the Eastern Sierra, Idaho or Montana I’m forced to try our sometimes barrren offerings here. My question is this …… without revealing too much, does anyone out there have any experience on waters other than the W.F San Gabriel, Deep Creek, Bear Creek, E.F San Gabriel etc….. If so please reply to: Thanks
How about Sespe Creek? For details email me at: Darryl
writes: To: Motorcty Have fished in King Harbor for Bonita and Mackeral. Very exciting, hard fighting fish. Rent skiff from Rocky Harbor Marina/Redondo Beach. They sell flies etc. Costs about $20.00 per half day. You need a 7/8/9 rod with sinking line like Teeny 200. Guys at Marriotts Fly Shop in L.A. know all about this.Good Luck. AK100.aol.com