And, there are plenty of obnoxious people who aren’t wealthy. Snoop
Is it really necessary or proper to talk about me behind my back in a public forum? Op
Nothing funny about that IMO.
I didn’t say *you* would think it was funny. <g But I do. Kind of like moving to a whorehouse to be around pretty girls – you have to put up with the occasional customer. — Charlie…
I fished the Bighorn on Wed & Thurs.
I’m jealous! Usually, I get over there for a few days this time of year, but it doesn’t look like I’ll make it this spring. 
I have no idea how one would go about fishing a dry with all of the stuff on the water.
I’ll occassionally use a parachute-style with a flourescent orange post. You might be surprised. There were some dirty orange scuds and one black leach about 3 inches long.
Streamers. Big, ugly, heavy streamers… on a sink-tip…swinging and stripping….swing and stripping (could be new lines for another song, Warren) We saw a few sports at the cafe that were really decked out.
You gotta love Polly’s! A great place to eat…..and probably the only place in the state where they’d look at you funny if you WEREN’T wearing waders. I’ll bet the pressure is on the guides to get these high rollers some fish. Kevin and I derived some perverse pleasure in catching fish right in front of the high rollers while the guide was trying to help them get a cast out at least 10 feet:)
There is NOTHING more frustrating than to have fish slurping away in front of you and your people just CANNOT put it together to get the fly past the oar. AAARRRGGGHHH! On a side note: Did they all have on the big "hair ball" "bazooka blobs" "exploding fireworks" kinda strike indicators that you can see for a gazillion feet??? — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno 406-626-4022
I’ll occassionally use a parachute-style with a flourescent orange post. You might be surprised.
Good idea. I should have thought of that. I did have one fish come close to taking my flor. green strike indicator. I’ll give it a try next time I go. You gotta love Polly’s! A great place to eat…..and probably the only place in the state where they’d look at you funny if you WEREN’T wearing waders.
I like it because it’s a cheap place to stay in the off season. The food’s pretty good, too, but a little overpriced. I had the steak sandwich Wed. night. It was really good but didn’t "sit well" and I was up half the night. Meat tenderizer? The really cheap rooms at the cafe were booked so Kevin and I got the trailer. That costs $36.00/head but it was nice and roomy. I think you could sleep 8 or 9 people there but I’ll bet they close it up and winterize for the off season. On a side note: Did they all have on the big "hair ball" "bazooka blobs" "exploding fireworks" kinda strike indicators that you can see for a gazillion feet???
Yes, there were quite a few of those on the river. I tried them once and didn’t like them. I use the larger foam floats with the slit down the side and a piece of rubber through the center. They seem to cast better for me, are easily adjustable and always float. What’s the deal with the giant fluff balls? No wonder so many people have trouble casting in the wind. Wouldn’t they get along better with the more streamlined floats? Also, as a guide, do you have any humorous stories to tell? I think most guides must earn every penny. Looks like a tough life to me. Also looks like a good way to turn an enjoyable hobby into drudgery. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
I didn’t say *you* would think it was funny. <g But I do. Kind of like moving to a whorehouse to be around pretty girls – you have to put up with the occasional customer.
Well, whatever floats your boat there Charlie.
Well, whatever floats your boat there Charlie.
I don’t think it’s my boat that’s bothering you… — Charlie…
Nothing funny about that IMO. I didn’t say *you* would think it was funny. <g But I do. Kind of like moving to a whorehouse to be around pretty girls – you have to put up with the occasional customer.
As one of the very people you described (first visited here for the fishing and camping, then moved here for the fishing and camping), I agree with you that it’s funny. What’s even funnier is that we don’t really mind the tourists, despite our griping, as long as they remain tourists. What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did. 
JR
As one of the very people you described (first visited here for the fishing and camping, then moved here for the fishing and camping), I agree with you that it’s funny. What’s even funnier is that we don’t really mind the tourists, despite our griping, as long as they remain tourists. What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did.
You should see how annoyed the whorehouses get under similar circumstances ! 
TL MC
As one of the very people you described (first visited here for the fishing and camping, then moved here for the fishing and camping), I agree with you that it’s funny. What’s even funnier is that we don’t really mind the tourists, despite our griping, as long as they remain tourists. What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did.
That’s funny. How about it, Warren? Do you have a come back? (I’m saying that as an unapologetic, recent, fair-weather Idaho transplant.) Where do you live, JR? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did.
Yep. I hope to share that feeling about someplace, someday. <g — Charlie…
Where do you live, JR?
Bend, Oregon, which was a wonderful place before I arrived, became a true paradise on earth for a while after I got here, and is now a stinking hell hole, altogether a far, far less attractive place than many I can think of in Idaho and Montana. JR
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As one of the very people you described (first visited here for the fishing and camping, then moved here for the fishing and camping), I agree with you that it’s funny. What’s even funnier is that we don’t really mind the tourists, despite our griping, as long as they remain tourists. What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did. You should see how annoyed the whorehouses get under similar circumstances !
I dunno, amateur night at the local is always an " uplifting " experience. — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – TL MC
That’s funny. How about it, Warren? Do you have a come back? (I’m saying that as an unapologetic, recent, fair-weather Idaho transplant.)
Yeah I have a come back. You got to draw the line somewhere so I move that we start with RW. ~ Seriously though, JR is right to some degree. When you move somewhere and become accustomed to a certain quality of living, you have to do what you can to protect it. If I moved to an area because it was remote, had everything that I wanted and the very reasons why I moved here were threatened due to overcrowding, you better believe I am going to bitch when things start getting crowded. Most of it isn’t so much the number of people but the quality around here. Californians are equated as being liberal tree huggers who want their 20 acre "ranch" along the river and despise the stream access laws. It is somewhat true, but there are a lot of people from back East who are far worse in my experiences. It is a more a quality of the people coming issue. Natives don’t give me any crap for being an ex resident of California because I hold many of the same views as they do and am not a threat to the quality of life. Now that I am a resident and have been for several years, am bound to this valley by blood that I cannot leave, I am somewhat trapped. I do not make any money off tourism and never have. Tourists decend in hoards upon the rivers that I fish year around and force me to either brave the masses or fish somewhere else. It doesn’t bother me too much because I don’t go the rivers where I feel like I can’t fish. I have plenty of places to fish, even on the crowded rivers, that see fewer people. In some areas it is a problem and that isn’t just me saying that. That is the opinion of users of the resources when polled by the DFW. The Beaverhead is a prime example of that. I think I told the story about how I was there opening day last year and the place was so crowded you couldn’t even find a campsite. Two Montana plates, the rest from out of state. My take on this, and Charlie can laugh if he wants to, is that I am a resident. I pay taxes here, I live here, the water was deeded over to the state by the federal government (if you need legal citings, I can provide them). It is property of the state, not the union. Our state Constitution is not applicable to residents of other states in regards to property. Just like you don’t go by Montana property laws if you live outside of Montana and we don’t go by other state’s laws. Being a resident and being governed by the state Constitution and the laws of Montana, I should have a greater right to the water than someone from out of state. It is a right under our Constitution, BTW. I am not calling for an outright ban on out of state anglers or anything like that, just some limits so that residents of this state can enjoy what is theirs once in a while. I was hoping they were going to either give river permits on a limited basis on crowded waters to out of state anglers, or set aside certain days for residents. There is only one river that I have fished where this is necessary and that is the Beaverhead. The Big Horn is a much larger river and even when crowded, I have never felt like I was lacking water to fish. Same thing on the Madison. I find there is plenty of water to fish and only a few areas that are really crowded to the point where there are problems and the quality of the experience is diminished due to the crowds. The whole issue of crowds is a seasonal case anyways. I always have the winters to enjoy being one of the few people on a river, if not the only person. That’s my story and I am sticking to it. <g — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html
Bend, Oregon, which was a wonderful place before I arrived, became a true paradise on earth for a while after I got here, and is now a stinking hell hole, altogether a far, far less attractive place than many I can think of in Idaho and Montana.
That’s just an outright lie. Idaho is the best place to be. Montana is scorched Earth, whirling disease desimated trout streams, New Zealand mud snail infested, and dirt poor. Idaho on the other hand isn’t as bad off. Oregon is the best place in the world to be though. They have good paying jobs, excellent hunting and their fishing is one of the best kept secrets in the lower 48. HTH — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html
Bend, Oregon, which was a wonderful place before I arrived, became a true paradise on earth for a while after I got here, and is now a stinking hell hole, altogether a far, far less attractive place than many I can think of in Idaho and Montana. That’s just an outright lie. Idaho is the best place to be. Montana is scorched Earth, whirling disease desimated trout streams, New Zealand mud snail infested, and dirt poor. Idaho on the other hand isn’t as bad off. Oregon is the best place in the world to be though. They have good paying jobs, excellent hunting and their fishing is one of the best kept secrets in the lower 48. HTH
Well, there’s another damnable lie (about Oregon, the Calcutta of the West), but at least it’s offset by the God’s honest truth about Idaho: the new Jerusalem, brothers, an Elysian utopia with trout the size of snowmobiles and blissful citizens (of the very highest ethical standards, mind you) ready to welcome their fellow sportsmen with open arms. Every fishing and hunting guide a nubile ex-cheerleader who makes Angie look like Howard Stern. Every publican and shopkeeper a source of freely shared information– earned over a lifetime–about honey holes where the steelhead chase each other off in order to be the first to impale themselves on your hook. Fishing in Oregon?!?! Oh, my. A long time ago, maybe. Now you could catch more fish out of the average toilet bowl in New York City, son. And even that was before the Terrible Drought of 2001, a sure harbinger of impending ecological collapse. These days, before you can tie on a fly in Oregon you have to file an environmental impact statement. Hell’s bells. Everyone *here* is moving to Idaho! JR
It’s also funny to see people who live in states that make a bunch of money from tourism bitch about tourists, especially the ones who were tourists there once themselves. <g
I don’t make any money off of tourism either directly or indirectly and haven’t been any tourist related industries. I moved to Montana without ever coming as a tourist. I got accepted to school out here, had relatives who used to live out here and moved based on pictures, school, and their opinion of the place, and the promises of good fishing and hunting. I am now a legal resident, have been for 5 years, I was married here, my daughter was born here and I am trapped here until my daughter gets older. Nothing funny about that IMO. — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html
A few more trips and you will have a new definition of crowded. Glad you caught lots of fish, always makes the trip more enjoyable. I hear you on the high rollers who can’t cast. Catching fish in front of them is always a blast and I am happy you got that experience
Oh, yeah, you have some experience being in a boat with a tyro who couldn’t cast, don’t you? Did your "line welts" heal up? I’m afraid I came off anti elitist. It’s not any of my business how much someone wants to spend on their hobby. They aren’t any different from you or me. They just want to have fun. Of course, they can buy a lot more fun than a lot of us:) Still, I can’t help suffering from some smug satisfaction when I catch fish on my $40.00 Three Forks while they flail away with their $2,500 bamboo rods. (Heck, I’m still trying to save money for one of G’s moderately priced bamboo rods.) Once I get my last daughter out of college I may be able to splurge a bit. My goal in life is to end up like Charlie—-80 rods with a deluxe reel for each one. But, I won’t take it as far as he does. You know, long finger nails, long gray beard and hair, sleeps with all his rods, wears a white gown and sprays everyone and everything with disinfectant spray and designs large, wooden airplanes:) Snoop —
The ones that crack me up are those that think their money will get them fish. My buddy that guided in Idaho last summer had some stories about several rich, stuck up people who didn’t want to learn how to do things the right way, but thought that the gear they bought and the money they spent on a trip guaranteed them success. Money does not equate with skill or success and it is hard for these people to realize that. When I see them out there flailing the water into a froth giving dirty looks to their guides as if it is his fault, I get a laugh. Especially after I pull out fish right in front of them. It isn’t that I am against people with money who fish, hell I fish with RW don’t I?
Anyone, wealthy or not, who goes to the expense and time to travel to fish with a guide and doesn’t take local advice gets what they deserve. I have a good friend who guided in Alaska for 20+ years. Had a couple of jet boats and a Cessna 180 on floats. He guided hunters and fishermen. We’ve sat around a few campfires and listened to his stories. Very interesting. The hunters were the worst. Generally, the fishermen were easier to be around. The bear stories were hair raising and I don’t think I care to fly with any Alaska bush pilots. (Well, actually, I don’t like flying with anyone else but my friend who’s a retired 747 pilot.) It is the attitude of the rich, stuck up snobs that I enjoy tweaking. I have met several people who had tons of money out fishing and were actually very eager to learn and asked lots of questions. Those types of people I like, very down to earth and just willing to learn because they love fly fishing. It is the ones who have to announce to an entire fly shop that they need to use their Platinum card to buy half dozen flies as if we should be impressed that they have a Platinum card that piss me off, the ones like Peter posted about at one of the fly shops he goes to with the guy’s buddy looking at a reel, etc. I enjoy watching them suffer when they go fishless because they are too stubborn and stuck up to listen to the "hired help" or "riff raff". They are out there and certainly do exist. I have found the Big Horn to have a high concentration of those types of people.
Yep, those are the people who rub me the wrong way. But, they’re not necessarily rich. A lot of those clowns are up to their necks in credit card debt and are one pay check away from losing cars, houses and their mistresses. And, there are plenty of obnoxious people who aren’t wealthy. Snoop —
I enjoy watching them suffer when they go fishless because they are too stubborn and stuck up to listen to the "hired help" or "riff raff". They are out there and certainly do exist. I have found the Big Horn to have a high concentration of those types of people.
It’s also funny to see people who live in states that make a bunch of money from tourism bitch about tourists, especially the ones who were tourists there once themselves. <g — Charlie…
My goal in life is to end up like Charlie—-80 rods with a deluxe reel for each one. But, I won’t take it as far as he does. You know, long finger nails, long gray beard and hair, sleeps with all his rods, wears a white gown and sprays everyone and everything with disinfectant spray and designs large, wooden airplanes:)
That’s my late uncle Howie you’re describing. I helped him write his will, but I don’t want to be like him.
Oh, yeah, you have some experience being in a boat with a tyro who couldn’t cast, don’t you? Did your "line welts" heal up?
Yeah, the line welts went away and the lump from getting nailed by split shot and bead heads eventually went away also. I’m afraid I came off anti elitist. It’s not any of my business how much someone wants to spend on their hobby. They aren’t any different from you or me. They just want to have fun. Of course, they can buy a lot more fun than a lot of us:) Still, I can’t help suffering from some smug satisfaction when I catch fish on my $40.00 Three Forks while they flail away with their $2,500 bamboo rods.
The ones that crack me up are those that think their money will get them fish. My buddy that guided in Idaho last summer had some stories about several rich, stuck up people who didn’t want to learn how to do things the right way, but thought that the gear they bought and the money they spent on a trip guaranteed them success. Money does not equate with skill or success and it is hard for these people to realize that. When I see them out there flailing the water into a froth giving dirty looks to their guides as if it is his fault, I get a laugh. Especially after I pull out fish right in front of them. It isn’t that I am against people with money who fish, hell I fish with RW don’t I? It is the attitude of the rich, stuck up snobs that I enjoy tweaking. I have met several people who had tons of money out fishing and were actually very eager to learn and asked lots of questions. Those types of people I like, very down to earth and just willing to learn because they love fly fishing. It is the ones who have to announce to an entire fly shop that they need to use their Platinum card to buy half dozen flies as if we should be impressed that they have a Platinum card that piss me off, the ones like Peter posted about at one of the fly shops he goes to with the guy’s buddy looking at a reel, etc. I enjoy watching them suffer when they go fishless because they are too stubborn and stuck up to listen to the "hired help" or "riff raff". They are out there and certainly do exist. I have found the Big Horn to have a high concentration of those types of people. — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html
I fished the Bighorn on Wed & Thurs. It was a great trip. I caught 9 fish on Wed. and 18 on Thursday. That’s more like it!
Thanks for the report. I also find larger rivers more difficult to fish (and less fun) than smaller waters. It is more like lake fishing to me. Since they are so large and usually so deep, fish holding and feeding areas often must be inferred rather than observed. A low gradient river like the Bighorn is even more difficult. Willi
Thanks for the report. I also find larger rivers more difficult to fish (and less fun) than smaller waters. It is more like lake fishing to me. Since they are so large and usually so deep, fish holding and feeding areas often must be inferred rather than observed. A low gradient river like the Bighorn is even more difficult. Willi
One of the biggest problems I face is the amount of weight needed to fish deeper holes and/or fast current. Slinging all that weight with an indicator and dropper fly all day in the wind is not my idea of great fun. Snoop —
A few more trips and you will have a new definition of crowded. Glad you caught lots of fish, always makes the trip more enjoyable. I hear you on the high rollers who can’t cast. Catching fish in front of them is always a blast and I am happy you got that experience
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I fished the Bighorn on Wed & Thurs. It was a great trip. I caught 9 fish on Wed. and 18 on Thursday. That’s more like it! As I said in another post, I couldn’t believe the number (tons ?) of midges on the water and in the air. With all of the midges available, we saw very little surface action. I have no idea how one would go about fishing a dry with all of the stuff on the water. Perhaps an unrelated, larger fly like a Royal Wulff? All of the action for us was on nymphs, scuds or midge pupa. One of the hottest flies was the brown/tan thread body, black thread head that I learned about at the San Juan clave tied on size 20 & 22 hooks. The guy that I was fishing with (Kevin) kept a few Browns and checked stomach contents. Most of the contents were the little brown/gray midge pupa. There were some dirty orange scuds and one black leach about 3 inches long. We caught about half browns and half bows. No whitefish this time. We floated from 3 mile to Bighorn both days. The river was crowded but I guess I’m getting more used to it. We did fish one side channel that was too shallow for drift boats and spent a lot of time there both days. We had no one else fish through so it was quite enjoyable. This was probably the best area we fished on this trip. I think this kind of water is easier to fish. The main river just seems so big and intimidating and I have a hard time knowing where to start to fish. There’s just so many choices. It seems like a lot of places I think are "fishy" don’t have any fish that I can catch. I spent a lot of time watching other fishermen and the guides. Kind of a fun pastime but probably responsible for a lot of missed fish. We saw 2 beautiful wood drift boats that looked like they came off the showroom floor. It was interesting watching all of the different experience levels of fishermen. It seemed like there were a lot of novices on the stream these 2 days. We saw a few sports at the cafe that were really decked out. Looked like they just fell off the cover of a LL Bean catalog. Some of those guys had more money invested in one rod that I have in all my fishing gear. I guess a few of the resorts up there are $500/day. I’d like to visit with a few of those guys just to see what they think about the whole deal. I imagine flying into Billings from big cities in the east or west would be kind of a mind blower. Wonder what they thought when they traveled through the "beautiful" town of Lodge Grass or finally arrived at Ft Smith? I’ll bet they felt like they were at the end of the world. I’ll bet the pressure is on the guides to get these high rollers some fish. Kevin and I derived some perverse pleasure in catching fish right in front of the high rollers while the guide was trying to help them get a cast out at least 10 feet:) Of course, we were all the style what with our North Dakota drift boat (20 year old John boat) and our flashy dress (we looked like all of the roffers I’ve met at claves with the exception of Charlie who is always spiffed up to a "T", I suppose in case he runs across a high class book store or brothel). I suppose that’s my last trip to the Horn until late fall. We should be thawing at the higher elevations shortly around here and I’ll be going to work in a couple of weeks which will really raise hell with fishing for awhile:( Snoop —
I fished the Bighorn on Wed & Thurs. It was a great trip. I caught 9 fish on Wed. and 18 on Thursday. That’s more like it! As I said in another post, I couldn’t believe the number (tons ?) of midges on the water and in the air. With all of the midges available, we saw very little surface action. I have no idea how one would go about fishing a dry with all of the stuff on the water. Perhaps an unrelated, larger fly like a Royal Wulff? All of the action for us was on nymphs, scuds or midge pupa. One of the hottest flies was the brown/tan thread body, black thread head that I learned about at the San Juan clave tied on size 20 & 22 hooks. The guy that I was fishing with (Kevin) kept a few Browns and checked stomach contents. Most of the contents were the little brown/gray midge pupa. There were some dirty orange scuds and one black leach about 3 inches long. We caught about half browns and half bows. No whitefish this time. We floated from 3 mile to Bighorn both days. The river was crowded but I guess I’m getting more used to it. We did fish one side channel that was too shallow for drift boats and spent a lot of time there both days. We had no one else fish through so it was quite enjoyable. This was probably the best area we fished on this trip. I think this kind of water is easier to fish. The main river just seems so big and intimidating and I have a hard time knowing where to start to fish. There’s just so many choices. It seems like a lot of places I think are "fishy" don’t have any fish that I can catch. I spent a lot of time watching other fishermen and the guides. Kind of a fun pastime but probably responsible for a lot of missed fish. We saw 2 beautiful wood drift boats that looked like they came off the showroom floor. It was interesting watching all of the different experience levels of fishermen. It seemed like there were a lot of novices on the stream these 2 days. We saw a few sports at the cafe that were really decked out. Looked like they just fell off the cover of a LL Bean catalog. Some of those guys had more money invested in one rod that I have in all my fishing gear. I guess a few of the resorts up there are $500/day. I’d like to visit with a few of those guys just to see what they think about the whole deal. I imagine flying into Billings from big cities in the east or west would be kind of a mind blower. Wonder what they thought when they traveled through the "beautiful" town of Lodge Grass or finally arrived at Ft Smith? I’ll bet they felt like they were at the end of the world. I’ll bet the pressure is on the guides to get these high rollers some fish. Kevin and I derived some perverse pleasure in catching fish right in front of the high rollers while the guide was trying to help them get a cast out at least 10 feet:) Of course, we were all the style what with our North Dakota drift boat (20 year old John boat) and our flashy dress (we looked like all of the roffers I’ve met at claves with the exception of Charlie who is always spiffed up to a "T", I suppose in case he runs across a high class book store or brothel). I suppose that’s my last trip to the Horn until late fall. We should be thawing at the higher elevations shortly around here and I’ll be going to work in a couple of weeks which will really raise hell with fishing for awhile:( Snoop —
When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables. Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun. Is the next step "Rat Nip"? I’m at my Wit’s end here. Thanks.
Try a LA Habor trick, They strung mono-filiment line ( fishing line) across the areas that the pigeons and seagulls liked to pearch and nest. They can’t see it and they fly right into it and bounce off and sometimes hit the ground. They learn quick that they can’t land there. Cris-cross it like a spider web, as I understant it, it works very well. Other solution is a tack strip, with small sharp nails, the birds can’t stand on it. I hope this helps, (back to my regular lurk mode) John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables. Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun. Is the next step "Rat Nip"? I’m at my Wit’s end here. Thanks.
I had the same problem in my old three story house. Instead of a BB gun I used my sons’ Super Soaker squirt gun. It worked OK for a while – they seemd to know when I was gone and planned their activities accordingly. Mark Molnar – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables. Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun. Is the next step "Rat Nip"? I’m at my Wit’s end here. Thanks.
When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables. Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun. Is the next step "Rat Nip"?
I had a similar problem with the house I bought a few months ago. The blame could be put on the previous owner, who neighbors told me, fed the pigeons. There are a couple of solutions, you can do them yourself or hire a professional (Look under "Bird Control" or "Pest Control" in the yellow pages). – You can put down spikes in strategic locations. – You can put up netting. – You can live trap (OK, the trap catches them alive, but due to – pigeons’ homing instincts you can’t just let them go, so they have to be killed). http://www.flybye.com/ sells supplies. I went with a local pest control company that put up spikes and netting and tried to live trap. The live trap didn’t work for me; in fact the pigeons had no respect for it as they would walk all over it, but not go in it. It wasn’t cheap to have it done for me: $400 for the spikes and netting (on a 1.5 story house), and $140 for trapping. For a few weeks the spikes and netting only seemed to work a little. A neighbor recommended putting rubber snakes on the roof. I bought a couple of rubber snakes, but I never did get around to putting them on the roof as after a few weeks the pigeon visitation stopped. Another alternative that I thought of was making the roof accessible to cats. I have a few and there are plenty of neighbor cats. I thought of some designs for "cat ladders" but I never had the need to construct one. — Doug Rudoff
When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen pigeons in my gables. Through a very intense early morning patrol of: removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to scare them off with a BB gun. Is the next step "Rat Nip"?
A couple of cat would discourage them, particularly if you don’t overfeed them. Otherwise, cover all entrances with 1" poultry netting (aka chicken wire); if they’re nesting in louvers or something on the outside, cover those as well (the wire will be virtually invisible from a distance). Place a radio up there blasting heavy metal or rap at full volume, if it won’t bother your neighbors. Scatter around a few handfulls of moth balls. I’m at my Wit’s end here.
I’ve always wanted to build a street named "Wit", terminating in a cul-de-sac… Gary — "It’s like complaining if wood has grains in it. Wood does have grains in it, and it is still beautiful." Apple VP Phil Schiller, trying to explain away cracks in the Apple G4 Cube as being "mold marks".
: Try a LA Habor trick, : They strung mono-filiment line ( fishing line) across the areas that : the pigeons and seagulls liked to pearch and nest. They can’t see it : and they fly right into it and bounce off and sometimes hit the : ground. They learn quick that they can’t land there. : Cris-cross it like a spider web, as I understant it, it works very : well. Other solution is a tack strip, with small sharp nails, the : birds can’t stand on it. : I hope this helps, (back to my regular lurk mode) : John
: When I moved into this place 3 months ago, I found that there was 3 dozen : pigeons in my gables. Through a very intense early morning patrol of: : removing nests, slamming doors, making a presence known, building a board : with nail, then putting an owl on the 3rd floor roof, I finally tried to : scare them off with a BB gun. Is the next step "Rat Nip"? : : I’m at my Wit’s end here. : : Thanks. These sound like good ways which DON’T involve killing. No need to do that. —
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been fishing streams recently and noticing that the last 2-3 feet of my line is sinking. It is a Cortland 444 WF-5-F line and is about a year old and hasn’t been heavily fished. Besides cleaning the line, is there anything else I can do to prevent this?….it makes it hard to keep the fly up! Also, what is the best product out there for making the line slide through the guides better? Thanks Dustin Let the line dry out for a good period, and then ensure that the end is sealed with a good waterproof glue or similar, water may be seeping into the core. Otherwise use the cortland line cleaner and dressing. TL MC
Yes, I agree. Check the line to make sure, let it dry and use some line cleaner/dressing. If that doesn’t work, make sure you are mending your line so that that current isn’t pulling it under. DAYGLOW York Team DBE
I get the same problem with my Airflo 7000, I tried cleaning it and that helped, but I will try sealing it now!
I have been fishing streams recently and noticing that the last 2-3 feet of my line is sinking. It is a Cortland 444 WF-5-F line and is about a year old and hasn’t been heavily fished. Besides cleaning the line, is there anything else I can do to prevent this?….it makes it hard to keep the fly up! Also, what is the best product out there for making the line slide through the guides better? Thanks Dustin
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been fishing streams recently and noticing that the last 2-3 feet of my line is sinking. It is a Cortland 444 WF-5-F line and is about a year old and hasn’t been heavily fished. Besides cleaning the line, is there anything else I can do to prevent this?….it makes it hard to keep the fly up! Also, what is the best product out there for making the line slide through the guides better? Thanks Dustin
Let the line dry out for a good period, and then ensure that the end is sealed with a good waterproof glue or similar, water may be seeping into the core. Otherwise use the cortland line cleaner and dressing. TL MC
I am considering purchasing a Winston Fly Rod. I am look for someone who has fished with a Winston and there opinions, compared to other available Rod on the market. Thanks Roger
Winston rods are the most beautiful rods to look at and to cast. They are not "parking lot" rods like Sage, Loomis, etc. (rods intended to impress with distance). They fish wonderfully at the distances intended and protect light tippets. I own three, a 7′ #2, a 8.5′ #3, and a 9′ #5, all IM6. The 8.5 #3 (3 piece) is my first choice for dry flies on lakes (no wind) or small streams and spring creeks. I own several Sage rods, and prefer the LL series, the RPL series have been good lake and nymphing rods for me.
I have a Hexagraph 8 1/2′ 7 wt, Sage RPL+ 9′ 6 wt, a Cortland Graphite 9′ 6 wt and a Winston 7 1/2′ 4wt. I will never give up that Winston. I really like the Sage, my son has the Cortland, the Hexagraph looks good on the wall, but that Winston blows everything else away. Bar none, it is the best rod I ever used in 35 years of flyfishing. It feels like an extension of my arm. Kevin
Buying a Winston is like buying a Mercedes Benz. Will other rods throw a line to where the fish are? You bet! Will they feel as nice a Winston? Maybe not. Will another rod look as good as a Winston? Probably not. I have a couple of Winston rods (along with Sage’s Powell’s and a couple of other). The Winston fishes out to about 40′ as good or better than any of the rod’s in my quiver. So I guess it comes down to, Do you want the Mercedes or a Chevy. Just my two cents…. Wes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am considering purchasing a Winston Fly Rod. I am look for someone who has fished with a Winston and there opinions, compared to other available Rod on the market. Thanks Roger
I am considering purchasing a Winston Fly Rod. I am look for someone who has fished with a Winston and there opinions, compared to other available Rod on the market.
Nobody makes as sweet a set of trouting rods as Winston. I have three of them – ranging from a 7′6"/2wt to a 9′/5wt, and they are my favorites. I currently have no fewer than 20 fishable fly rods, mostly graphite but a few cane rods as well, with Sage, GLoomis, Thomas & Thomas, Orvis, Powell, and Lamiglas in the mix, and the Winstons are the ones I use the most. If your casting style suits them, there *aren’t* any other available rods on the market ;^) /dave
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My roomate and I want to go on a week long vacation sometime between 12/18 and 1/3 I want to be on a beach and outside of the US. We’re flying out of NYC with a budget of approx $1100 each. We may be able to use frequent flyer miles for the air. Last year we went to Costa Rica and loved it, but want to try somewhere else. WE are flying out of New York and would like to stay within 5 hours of flight time. Everything either appears to be sold out or too expensive. Any recommendations? Thanks, Michelle
Michelle, I have been going to Belize for the last few years. Lots of eco/jungle stuff on the mainland, jungle rivers and Maya ruins. Life on the islands/cayes is very nice. Fishing, snorkeling, scuba, boating and sight seeing is great. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY
The Dominican Republic. It should fit nicely into your budget and that would be for an all-inclusive resort. We went to Paradise Beach Club in Puerto Plata a few years ago for $900. each. There are flights now directly into Punta Cana and there are specials on three resorts there for under to just above your budget; again for all inclusive resorts – all meals, drinks, activities. This year we went to Punta Cana and loved the beach there. Had a wonderful vacation. If you want specifics, e me directly. Kathy Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not to your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths. Proverbs 3:5-6
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My roomate and I want to go on a week long vacation sometime between 12/18 and 1/3 I want to be on a beach and outside of the US. We’re flying out of NYC with a budget of approx $1100 each. We may be able to use frequent flyer miles for the air. Last year we went to Costa Rica and loved it, but want to try somewhere else. WE are flying out of New York and would like to stay within 5 hours of flight time. Everything either appears to be sold out or too expensive. Any recommendations? Thanks, Michelle
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My roomate and I want to go on a week long vacation sometime between 12/18 and 1/3 I want to be on a beach and outside of the US. We’re flying out of NYC with a budget of approx $1100 each. We may be able to use frequent flyer miles for the air. Last year we went to Costa Rica and loved it, but want to try somewhere else. WE are flying out of New York and would like to stay within 5 hours of flight time. Everything either appears to be sold out or too expensive. Any recommendations? Thanks, Michelle
Have you looked at Cancun, Mexico. A few years ago we stayed at the Club Las Velas. It was all-inclusive, under $1000. had real good entertainment and a young party mood crowd if that is what you like. The food was pretty good and the rooms were not fancy but clean. They are not directly on the ocean but on the canal and have a boat that takes you to a beach club. (They do have their own beach on the canal with kayaks, sailboats, snorkling) There are a lot of other things to see in the area also. and you can hop a bus for 30 cents right in front of the hotel and go anywhere you want on the strip – shopping, beach, restaurants, clubs, other hotels. We also felt very safe there as it is geared to the tourist. Check with your travel agents. Marianne — Visit "The Grand Isle Connection" http://www.GrandIsle.together.com
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My roomate and I want to go on a week long vacation sometime between 12/18 and 1/3 I want to be on a beach and outside of the US. We’re flying out of NYC with a budget of approx $1100 each. We may be able to use frequent flyer miles for the air. Last year we went to Costa Rica and loved it, but want to try somewhere else. WE are flying out of New York and would like to stay within 5 hours of flight time. Everything either appears to be sold out or too expensive. Any recommendations? Thanks, Michelle
If you look at our BVI pages, below, you’ll see our preferences If you check with the major bareboat outfits, you might find an all-inclusive trip within your budget. They usually have a by-the-cabin charter running with one of their professional captains for a very reasonable price. Trouble is that you’re going during the absolute peak of the Caribbean season, but if you can swing it, all your land-based vacations will fade into a hazy memory. On my 4th trip, I introduced Pat to the BVI starting with 5 days onshore. Knowing the area, we hit all the good spots and she opined that it was up amongst her best vacations ever (and she’s got some good experience.) She Seemed a little sad as we prepared to take posession of our home for the next 8 days, leaving the shore behind. Two days later, her mind was completely and utterly blown. The time onshore had not prepared her for the intensity of sensations she experienced; anchoring for the night in a perfect little cove on a nearly deserted island. Waking up and sailing a short distance to The Baths and playing amongst boulders that seemed like a giant child’s blocks carelessly heaped an the shore; snorkling through virtual clouds of fish while examining coral (that she soon found out was not the most brilliant in the BVI). Then eating lunch and sailing into North Sound and the Bitter End Yacht Club, an upscale resort where they MUST rake the beach at least twice daily — not a cigarette butt to be found — and having dinner in those sumptous surroundings… And then it got better. And better. (44 days, 13 hours until we return….) — Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux — ‘73 Tanzer 28 #4 — out of Tolchester, MD Xan’s Pics & Specs: http://www.dca.net/~jerelull/X-Main.html British Virgin Islands: http://www.dca.net/~jerelull/BVI.html
I am just getting started in FF and I don’t know the best method for affixing my flyline to the reel. Also, how do I attach the leader to the line?
Benjamin, You can tie the backing to the reel, the backing to the fly line than the flyline to the leader/tippet. Reel to backing: Two simple overhand knots. Tag end of backing around spool 2 times and tie an overhand knot in the end. Than a second overhand knot around the standing line. Snug up the second knot. Than pull the standing line tight. The knots should slip down to the spool hub. Fly line to backing and leader to fly line to leader/tippet can both be done with a nail knot. Most books on basic fishing will have a picture of this knot. If you purchased all your tackle from a fly shop, take it back to the shop and ask them to show you how to do it. Most will be happy to do it for you. If you got your tackle mail order, go to your local fly shop and purchase about $100 worth of additional tackle and than ask them to help you. There are are other knots you can use, but I find these knots east to tie. Good luck & Good fishing, — Dennis C. Aron Independent Representative #13921 Champion Fishing Co., Ltd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am just getting started in FF and I don’t know the best method for affixing my flyline to the reel. Also, how do I attach the leader to the line?
Benjamin, Your local shop will do most of it for you and the other posts suggest the best knots for it but I just wanted to add that from your fly line, the first bit of mono is called the butt section and it’s the thickest diameter part of your leader. It was suggested to me to have a short butt section from my line to my leader and have a loop at the end of it. This way I can make the same loop on my leaders and change leaders forever without having to retie the nail knot at the end of the flyline. Whoever at your local shop will probably be hip to the entire set up. Don’t ever be intimidated into NOT asking questions of these people, I’ve learned a lot from them. Good Luck, Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Also, how do I attach the leader to the line?
I am just getting started in FF and I don’t know the best method for affixing my flyline to the reel. Also, how do I attach the leader to the line?
Ben, Spend some money on a good beginner fly fishing book. Try to find a copy of Dave Hughes "Fly Fishing Basics" for $12.95 (US$) – I happen to think it’s quite good. ISBN 0-8117-2439-5. Also, you don’t attach your fly line to the reel, you attach it to backing line which is attached to the reel. Backing goes around the reel spindle twice and is tied with a simple overhand knot and a second overhand knot at the end of the tag end. Pull this tight and the tag end overhand knot will catch in the first overhand knot that is tied around the backing line. Hard to write – easy to tie. NOTE: make sure you wrap the line onto the reel in the correct direction too. Adjust the drag pawls too. Use a nail-knot at the backing line /fly line point. If you are using a wt. forward fly line – make sure the correct end is attached to the backing material.Should be okay if left on the original spool until attaching it to the backing. (A DT line is double-ended so no mistake possible) Use a braided loop on the end of your fly line and form a loop in the end of your leader(s). A loop-to-loop connection allows leader change out quickly. Add some extra tippet material to the "fly" end of your leader and save buying lot’s of expensive leaders. Tight Lines, Don Burns Wishful collector of Gillums and Dickersons – owner of Montague, H-I and Heddons
This should be another good year for the American Shad. They migrate up the rivers in the spring, along with the Stripers, to spawn. They were imported from the east coast in the late 1800’s, along with the Striped Bass. Both species really took off and became major fisheries in the North West. The Sacramento river and it tributaries, the American, Feather and Yuba rivers, have good runs if they have adequate water flows. The mouth of the American river and the mouth of the Feather river are good early( April/May ) spots ( from a boat )for shad and stripers. As the season progresses ( May/June ), they move up the rivers, were you can wade and fly fish for them quite successfully. They hold in tight schools like salmon, and average 2 to 3 pounds with tops around 7 pounds. If you want to do something new and exciting, I recommend getting a guide with a boat and go have a ball. Try these year-round, full-time, independent guides: 916/331-2001. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA
How about the Sacramento or Klamath for Shad? What time of year would you recommend? Thanks
How about the Sacramento or Klamath for Shad? What time of year would you recommend? Thanks
The Sacramento drainage will start to kick in in a few weeks. Look for the article on Sacramento shad in the upcoming issue of Flyfishing the West magazine. Start calling Keine’s Fly shop or Fly Fishing Specialties in a couple of weeks, they’re usually on top of whats going on in the valley. Ralph —
If you want to do something new and exciting, I recommend getting a guide with a boat and go have a ball. Try these year-round, full-time, independent guides: @ 916/331-2001.
I can personally recommend Bob Sparre. He runs the Yuba mostly, and knows it well. Offers raft trips for 4-6 fishermen. Raft is for access only. Shad fishing is wading gravel bars. Price is reasonable, about $80 a head for a full day I think. John Woodling Sacramento, CA
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This should be another good year for the American Shad. They migrate up the rivers in the spring, along with the Stripers, to spawn. They were imported from the east coast in the late 1800’s, along with the Striped Bass. Both species really took off and became major fisheries in the North West. The Sacramento river and it tributaries, the American, Feather and Yuba rivers, have good runs if they have adequate water flows. The mouth of the American river and the mouth of the Feather river are good early( April/May ) spots ( from a boat )for shad and stripers. As the season progresses ( May/June ), they move up the rivers, were you can wade and fly fish for them quite successfully. They hold in tight schools like salmon, and average 2 to 3 pounds with tops around 7 pounds. If you want to do something new and exciting, I recommend getting a guide with a boat and go have a ball. Try these year-round, full-time, independent guides: 916/331-2001. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA
You might also check out the article "California Shad" in the newest issue of Flyfishing the West magazine (I think it’ll be on the shelves within a week). -Ralph —
I am going to be in Islamorada, FL for part of the week of November 20 and am interested in spending a day fishing the flats. Can anyone recommend a good-quality guide who doesn’t charge a king’s ransom? MZ
Stop at Bonefish Bob’s shop. He is most helpful with questions. Best ? guide- Jim Lopez phone at Marathon. Expensive, tho. Ask Bob. Regards, CLiff
Johnson’s out of Baldwin, MI used to guide down there. I don’t know if they still do but they would be able to offer someone’s name.
I just went bone fishing with Capt. Steve Impallomeni (305) 292-9837 . and had a wonderful day with him! I also would suggest dealing with Capt. Jeffrey Cardenas of The Saltwater Angler (800) 223-1629 for bookings and information … they were the best help and friendliest people I dealt with in Florida! KStJ
My wife and I are looking for a good lodge to use as a base for weekend of FF. We would like something in Western Pa and are willing to go as far east as Potter County. Any Ideas would be appreciated. Thanks Marc Bloch
My wife and I are looking for a good lodge to use as a base for weekend of FF. We would like something in Western Pa and are willing to go as far east as Potter County. Any Ideas would be appreciated. Thanks Marc Bloch
I don’t know about the availability of lodges but the fishing in Tioga County is great. My family has a cabin near Wellsboro. Fishing the Pennsylvania Grand Canyon (ie. Pine Creek ) was some of the better fishing that I’ve done in a long while. Best of luck. Dave
Try Big Moores Run lodge near Coudersport, PA. They have several miles of Big Moores Run divided into beats. They also have some lake fishing for 1-3# average size rainbows and browns. They allow float tubing. The lodge itself is an Orvis endorsed lodge.
| BTW, what is pop gear? | | Pop gear (I don’t know why it is called that) is another name for Cow Bells, | Ford Fenders, and other large hunks of metal crap that people drag around | lakes to troll for 12" trout. I know I am showing my age here, but the gray hair was at one time premature. Years ago Les Davis made several kinds of trolling attractors. "Pop Gear" was the first that I knew of. Its named like the " Doc Shelton" after its inventor. The Ford Fender was another Les Davis product. Each of them has a different shaped blade. BTW referring to attractors as pop gear puts you in the old fart category. . Tight Lines Mark O’Shea — Mark O’Shea Stuff happens, things change.
I do all my trolling with downriggers, but lead core is more popular in this area. From talking to others, and hearing conversations on the radio I do know that when fish are at about 40ft. most people will be letting out about 8 colors. This will normally be trolling 3/4-1 oz. bucktails with 17 lb. test lead core. If you’re going to be trolling at only 1 to 1.5 mph I would guess that you would want to let out 6-7 colors. We normally don’t troll quite that slow. BTW, what is pop gear?
Pop gear (I don’t know why it is called that) is another name for Cow Bells, Ford Fenders, and other large hunks of metal crap that people drag around lakes to troll for 12" trout. I will admit that at times an attractor is beneficial in attracting more strikes from rainbow and kokanee, but you should use as little as you can get away with. VERY small attractors like a Teeny Troll (V shaped mylar with reflective tape) 2-blade Doc Sheltons or #000 flashers for deep kokanee are effective. I’ve been very successful using a #2 FST with a spruce fly about 8" behind. This creates some attraction with very little weight. Some of the large flashers are 3 feet long with 6-8 graduated size spinner blades. No thank you. Terry — Terry Turner If people paid more attnetion to the critical things 503-685-3649 poles. *****Opinions here are my own and not necessarily the views of Tektronix****