Salmon River mini-clave update

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The biggest news is no news.   Expected ROFF population is presently four, with at least one maybe.   There’s still one bed available Thurs-Sat & one Fri-Sat.   Friday night is still arbitrarily selected as the BS/drinking/cigar/tying get-together at Malinda’s in Altmar.   Sorry, no raffle. I’m planning to have an FRS radio on me when I’m not at Malinda’s, so if you’re driving up or you’re near the river, try shouting for me on FRS ch.9 if you have one yourself.   Friday, I’m likely to be around the FFO stretch at Altmar or down at the Trestle Pool; but it’s way too soon to say. I’m getting together w/ fishing buddy on Thursday for lunch to compare fly boxes in time to fill perceived shortages.   If (big IF) I can get my shit together, I want to photograph one of every fly we have between us & post the photos on the website.   http://home.att.net/~fleischman/SalmonRiver.htm My present fly inventory includes: chenille egg patterns (various colors) on #10’s sparkle chenille eggs (various colors) on #8 3906 Purple Flash nymph version on 3906 #8  (awesome last year) Altmar Sunrise, #8 Comets, pink & orange on 3906B, #8 Lazer eggs (orange, pink, chartr.) A comet variety I’ve been messing with but looks great.   It’s an unweighted comet on a 3906 w/ short marabou tail, oval tinsel body, bucktail wing (w/ a few strands of krystal flash), & collar hackle.   I’ve tied ‘em in purple, pink, & chartreuse so far & I’m expecting great things (gotta do some orange, but don’t have the bucktail).   If they work & it hasn’t been done before, I’ll give it a name; but it’s too similar to a comet to be anything but a variety thereof. I think I’m forgetting something.   I’ll have to get my fly box out & see what else is in there.  I have heard at least one early report that black wooly buggers were slayin’ ‘em.   Is there any fish that doesn’t work for? A reminder of the dates in case anyone’s interested: October 17-20, Altmar, NY Joe F.

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Expected ROFF population is presently four, with at least one maybe.

Upgrade that ‘maybe’ to ‘probable’. :-)

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TR: Credit River – again

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It’s January 27th, in Canada and some guy was drinking coffee in Tim Horton’s wearing a light nylon windbreaker, t-shirt, and shorts. Freaking weather – no wonder the fish are screwed up. And I have a sinus cold. Took some Sudafed last night – it says "Non drowsy."  It should say, "Crammed with uppers"  as I was wired and wide awake till 4:00 am. Got up at six to go fishing.  Still a little cranky. Despite the guy in the shorts, the temperature and wind at dark thirty still had winter writ large upon it.  It was a might chilly and me being under the weather, felt it more than usual. The parking lot at Burnhamthorpe had five cars in it before dawn at 7:00 am – not a good sign.  I raced to put on my gear as I wanted to get to the falling rocks pool before the float rodders descended on it en mass.  First fly through the pool will probably get a fish after that it will be shit luck.  I crammed the gear on, fumbled lots because I was hurrying, and then raced down the path as fast as two stubby, wader encrusted, sick old legs would go. As I approached the pool, I couldn’t see a soul.  Bam, into the water to wade to the far side for the best spot to swing a fly.  I’m wading through a stretch that I’ve never attempted before, the current is pretty good and it’s only barely starting to get light.  Jo would kill me if I got myself drowned.   Navigated down the far bank, around the trees and other shit then scrambled onto the gently sloping edge of the pool only to see a hooded, black figure on the far bank, holding a long, sweeping  . . . . noodle rod.  Damn, the first of the many was already here.  Upon seeing me, he promptly staked out his water by casting much further than necessary, into dead water, just to cut off any attempted swing on my part.  What a prick.  Now my last evening laziness comes into play as I hadn’t prepared the sinking leader – the line still has the remains of a long, nymphing leader attached – I can’t see the end of the mono in the half-light so cut it off in bits.  On goes the polyleader – make a leader/tippet – tie on a fly.  Shit, float rodder no. 2 shows up and parks himself directly across from me.  I’m just about to make my first cast when he makes his right through the water I was about to cast to and BAM, he’s into a fish.  Damn, where’s Opie and his arsenal when I need him. Ten seconds later, the dickhead lost it. Over the next hour, more float rodders appeared to fish this tiny pool that only one fly rodder would ever try at one time.  By the time no. 13 started walking down the path toward me, I packed up.  A short while earlier I moved up to the head of the run – not the best water but at least no one else was in it.  Of course, one of the hooded horde, upon seeing the fly rodder move, assumes that this is the spot where the fish must be and he moves up directly across from me. Oh, I had forgot.  When there were only two, I got a little over enthusiastic and sent a cast onto the top of the rock wall they were standing on.  Not unseemingly close to them, but close enough that they could easily move over and free my fly.  Nope, they acted just like a bunch of "good citizens" witnessing a murder in progress and stared intently at their floats. Anyway, after float rodder no. 10 had shown up, I decided just to practice my casting.  I had followed the suggestion of another spey caster from the International Spey Casting board to put on a short bellied 9 wt. on my 6/7 Lami for close in work.  It worked like a charm with the polyleaders.  So after I moved up, I dispensed with the double speys and started attempting my first serious snake rolls. They weren’t perfect by my, is that a cool looking cast.  A couple of ‘em I really nailed – kinda felt like I was giving the horde the big spey finger. Like I said earlier, I was cranky. On the way back, a Toronto drug dealer’s car was parked next to mine. You know the type, small, high performance rice burner, all tricked out, black paint job with heavily tinted windows and one almighty big bass speaker in the back.  It’s booming out the latest hiphop and I go around the other side of my car to disrobe the wader shit.  Can’t really see much but it looks like only one guy in the car and he’s fiddling with something in his lap.  Oh great, either a perv drug dealer or he’s fixing his stash in prep for his next customer.  Last time I encountered one like this here, his "girlfriend" was playing a tune on his skin flute.  I undo the snap of the scabbard and position my knife for easy withdrawal and deposit.  The wader disrobing goes by without incidence and as I walk by the drug dealer’s door to get into mine, I can see he’s making up roe bags.  In the mood I’m in, it seems appropriate. And no I caught nothing.  All I got were a couple of "plucking" hits from some bugle trout – but the casting felt good. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Enjoyed reading that … I certainly hope you didn’t disturb the water when wading out, Peter. ;-) Steve

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Enjoyed reading that … I certainly hope you didn’t disturb the water when wading out, Peter. ;-) Steve

Who?  Me? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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They weren’t perfect by my, is that a cool looking cast.  A couple of ‘em I really nailed – kinda felt like I was giving the horde the big spey finger. Like I said earlier, I was cranky.

I want to be around with a camera when you have a really bad day. gg

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I want to be around with a camera when you have a really bad day. gg

Peter, I don’t know how you can go through that.  I gave up fishing for migratory trout in Ontario completely a long time ago because I was really unimpressed with the crowds and the attitude (not to mention the littering) I was seeing on a regular basis.   Eugene K.

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Peter, I don’t know how you can go through that.  I gave up fishing for migratory trout in Ontario completely a long time ago because I was really unimpressed with the crowds and the attitude (not to mention the littering) I was seeing on a regular basis.   Eugene K.

When you think about it, it’s our regulations that cause this.  Unlike NY or MI, we close most of the fishable water on Sept. 30th and all but tiny sections of the rivers after Dec 31st.  Not counting the Niagara River that has limited shore access, this compresses anglers in Southern Ontario into probably less than 20 miles of legal or unposted water.  Those small stretches have to service a population base of about 7 or 8 million. Toss in the limiting effects of weather and it’s not too surprising why it gets crowded and people act in an ignorant fashion. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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When you think about it, it’s our regulations that cause this. Peter

Peter, your point is well taken.  I think for me the issue was that I wasn’t finding what I needed in those kinds of situations and ended up seeking different ones.  That being said, I still occasionally fish the Grand, but even there I tend to find the less crowded spots. Eugene Eugene K.

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OT – politically incorrect joke

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rw, You are beginning to sound like Forty and his objection to squaw, :-)

You really think so? Never mind, then. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Which is one reason why I do it. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …to paraphrase Robert Lynd (who was talking about playing golf):  It’s almost impossible to remember how tragic a place the world is when one is flyfishing.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly.

_____  gee r.w.?  You had to post this just when I was about to release the New 2001 products list: 1)  Chernobyl "First Strike" Glow Indicators 2)  Green Chernobyl Fish-Fuzz 3)  Chernobyl (half-life) Sun Tan Cream 4)  The Dirty Nuclear Green Machine Fly 5)  Heavy Hydrogen Sinking Chernobyl Tippets I have more, but out of respect to your point of view, I cannot release these products.

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_____  gee r.w.?  You had to post this just when I was about to release the New 2001 products list: 1)  Chernobyl "First Strike" Glow Indicators

Great product name. George. You may be crazy, but you aren’t stupid. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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RW, I don’t think most of these guys would think it was funny if THEY were on the VA Agent Orange and/or Gulf War Syndrome registry. El Paso Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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RW, I don’t think most of these guys would think it was funny if THEY were on the VA Agent Orange and/or Gulf War Syndrome registry.

This has nothing to do with anything, but RWJ’s post reminded me of the story: I’ve known a lot of stupid people in my life, but one guy stands out in my memory.   He was a coworker many years ago who, through little fault of his own, had apparently no concept of the world most of us consider normal. From our conversations over the years, I concluded that he’d been raised in a home situation lacking in intellectual stimulation, financial stability, and positive encouragement.   On top of that, he was of small stature, and seemed to feel a constant need to prove that he was both tough and smart. He was, in fact, insecure and not very bright.   But that’s only background. He took up body building, and I believe he seriously thought about pursuing a career as a "professional wrestler".   He began weight lifting, and in his desire to acquire the bodybuilder look, he decided that he needed a tan; and he answered one of those back-of-the-magazine ads for a product that allows you to "tan without the sun".   I don’t know what was in the pills he received, but he took them as directed (knowing him though, probably at twice the dosage).   He was encouraged that his skin did begin to darken, and he continued his regimen.   Ultimately, he turned orange.   Not brightly, of course, but as the color effect intensified over time, there wasn’t a hint of brown to be seen.   He was undoubtedly orange.   He, of course, saw this an a precursor to "tan" and kept taking the pills, until he was unmistakably orange right down to his fingernails. In the end, he only earned the nickname "Agent Orange" that stayed with him for the rest of the time we knew him.   What a character.

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rw, You are beginning to sound like Forty and his objection to squaw, :-) "rw" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly.

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…to paraphrase Robert Lynd (who was talking about playing golf):  It’s almost impossible to remember how tragic a place the world is when one is flyfishing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it. Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F. Ya, it’s a realy sad commentary on extreme rural poverty – a child is more expendable than the ox.  Farmers, their children and their animals are still at risk from landmines in much of SE Asia and Africa.  Wonderful legacy of the arms merchants. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?"  The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?"  The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." —

that one is funny until you think about it. Peter

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"Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it.

Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it. Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F.

Ya, it’s a realy sad commentary on extreme rural poverty – a child is more expendable than the ox.  Farmers, their children and their animals are still at risk from landmines in much of SE Asia and Africa.  Wonderful legacy of the arms merchants. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I shoulda used this tactic with my ex-wife. The insurance money would have bought *several* nice bamboo rods. <g

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?"  The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines."

– Charles Reaves

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Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." — Charles Reaves

I’ve seen a few sites that cover landmines (I think I have them bookmarked somewhere) plus prgrams on Canadian and British demining teams at work in places like Bosnia.   Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines."

I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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FS: fly tying books and journals

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I have sold my tools and materials, now I am offering my books and magazines.  $35.00 + shipping takes all. "Expert Fly-Tying,"  Paul Fling & Donald Puturbaugh, 1986 "Favorite Flies and Their Histories," Mary Orvis Marbury, 1892 (1995 reprint) "Fly-Tyer Pattern Bible," 1985 "Creative Fly-Tying & Fly Fishing," Rex Gerlach, 1974 "Practical Flies & Their Construction," Lacey Gee & Erwin Sias, 1966 My homemade note book with appx. 675 patterns, most with color pictures "Fly Tyer"  Aug ‘84, Nov ‘84, Spring ‘85, Fall ‘85 "American Fly Tyer:"  Spring ‘86-Winter ‘87, most issues "American Angler & Fly Tyer"  Spring ‘88-Fall ‘90, most issues "American Angler"  jan’91-June ‘91 If interested, email Jim at the above email address

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Thanks to all of you who responded.  I sold the books to the first e-mail response I received. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have sold my tools and materials, now I am offering my books and magazines.  $35.00 + shipping takes all.

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RED WIGGLER WORMS!!!!!!

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Red wigglers make great bait!  I’m selling red wiggler worms, for low

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Red wigglers make great bait!  I’m selling red wiggler worms, for low

You are really opening yourself up for a ton of abuse by putting  that on the flyfishing newsgroups — Gordon Churchill Flyfish NC http://www.planet-nc.com/flyfishnc/ hybrids on Jordan Lake, Striped Bass on Roanoke River Surface action on Largemouth bass in Harris Lake.

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I agree they are great. Especially when tied with beads and a tail so they look like a Bloodworm of the Tendipes familia which is what they are usually mistaken by trout. The San Juan Worm patterns do this ncely as well, are more durable and stink a whole lot less when you forget them in the car  . . . . . . — Bob Sheedy Angling Adventures North Lake Fly Fishing On-Line Magazine Home of MASTER ANGLER Fishing Software http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm

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fishing in Tahoe area

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Hi, I just started packing my fishing gears for a 3-day vacation heading Reno/Tahoe area. Can someone tell me where I can find the best resource, ie, books, guides etc. which show the hot fishing spots in that area, or maybe you can do better than those books. I don’t do fly-fishing, and I’d prefer not to use the charter. Your help will be greatly appreciated.

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Hello, Try http://www.fishsniffer.com ~~~^^~~Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I just started packing my fishing gears for a 3-day vacation heading Reno/Tahoe area. Can someone tell me where I can find the best resource, ie, books, guides etc. which show the hot fishing spots in that area, or maybe you can do better than those books. I don’t do fly-fishing, and I’d prefer not to use the charter. Your help will be greatly appreciated.

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SALMON FISHING IN MAINE-ANYONE KNOWS A GOOD PLACE TO STAY?

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My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything seems so "organized" that it is pathetic.  They give you a "cabin" (a mini hotel), make your beds, cook your food, show you around, etc…..and I am looking (if I can find it of course) for something more simple and uncivilized. I just want a cabin right next to a river where nobody bothers us, no maids, no lodge meals…etc.  if anyone knows of such a place I would like to know about it.  If this place doesn’t exist, suggestions for more "civilized" places will be also appreciated.  Thank you very much for your help! -Emilio …Y entre los muertos habra siempre una lengua viva para decir que Zaragoza no se rinde……

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My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything

There are two kinds of Maine salmon fishing, for Atlantic (sea-run) salmon and for resident (landlocked) salmon.  Chances of an Atlantic salmon are very small: they run mostly in June-July.  August is the relatively poorest month for landlocks, but a reasonable prospect, best in the most distant and lightly-fished streams e.g. headwaters of the Penobscot R.  Your problem then may be travel time. Another special problem is Maine’s "trophy" regulations which (I interpreted when last there, 1994) mean that on most famous rivers you are supposed to stop fishing after landing one landlocked salmon.   A special and different place is Grand Lake Stream in SE Maine (Washington County?), a short river between two big lakes, with a couple of hotels, campsites etc.  I have not been there for 15 years, but there used to be very good fly fishing in that river all summer long, for landlocks and trout as well as bass, besides canoe-borne lake fishing too.  This might be the best place to take a visitor from overseas — if the quality of the sport is anything like it used to be…. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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If you are ready to consider the province of Quebec (just north of the Maine border), I think you could easily find what you are looking for… As a starting point, I suggest you the pages "Hunting and Fishing in the province of Quebec (Canada)" http://www.ojori.com/outdoor/ehunt.htm Look particularly to the region of Gaspesia which is the closest "salmon fishing region" to Maine. Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything seems so "organized" that it is pathetic.  They give you a "cabin" (a mini hotel), make your beds, cook your food, show you around, etc…..and I am looking (if I can find it of course) for something more simple and uncivilized. I just want a cabin right next to a river where nobody bothers us, no maids, no lodge meals…etc.  if anyone knows of such a place I would like to know about it.  If this place doesn’t exist, suggestions for more "civilized" places will be also appreciated.  Thank you very much for your help! -Emilio …Y entre los muertos habra siempre una lengua viva para decir que Zaragoza no se rinde……

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Emilico writes:

<<My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before. Consider Lakewood Camps on the Rapid River.  Yes, they feed you (damn well too), and the cabins are primitive (rustic?).  The fishing for landlocks is good, although August would not be my choice.  This is fly fishing only, catch and release. Phone Sue and Stan Milton at 207-243-5959.  It is about a 3 hour drive from Boston. Dave LaCourse

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I second the recomendation of Lakewood Lodge on the Rapid River. You may find it to be a bit crowded though. The Rapid has been discovered.

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<<The Rapid has been discovered. Oh, it has been discovered a long, long time ago, but *conquered* by  only a few.   The importance of Lakewood Camps is that without them, most of us could not fish the Rapid.  If Lakewood survives, my favorite spot in the whole world survives.  Without Lakewood, I couldn’t fish the river Long live the Rapid River and its Lakewood Camps.  BTW, I have never been at Lakewood when it was truly crowded.  I have been on the river when it was crowded, but curiously, only Lakewood folks, or others who have been on the river for years, were catching fish.  And I have caught fish next to guides and their clients who were catching zilch!  And continued to catch ZILCH for three days.  Wonderful river, the Rapid!  :0) Dave LaCourse

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<<The Rapid has been discovered. Oh, it has been discovered a long, long time ago, but *conquered* by  only a few.

Ain’t that the truth! ;^) The importance of Lakewood Camps is that without them, most of us could not fish the Rapid.  If Lakewood survives, my favorite spot in the whole world survives.  Without Lakewood, I couldn’t fish the river

I second the motion. Stan and Sue run a wonderful camp in a gorgeous location. The only down-side is the cooking is just too good (no matter how hard I wade, or how far down the Carry Road I roam, I still manage to gain more than 5 pounds in a long weekend!) Long live the Rapid River and its Lakewood Camps.  BTW, I have never been at Lakewood when it was truly crowded.  I have been on the river when it was crowded, but curiously, only Lakewood folks, or others who have been on the river for years, were catching fish.  And I have caught fish next to guides and their clients who were catching zilch!  And continued to catch ZILCH for three days.  Wonderful river, the Rapid!  :0)

Wonderful indeed. But everyone reading this is hereby sworn to secrecy! Tell no others about this river and it may have a prayer of remaining a lovely river to visit… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.               Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus                      Maynard, Massachusetts < < !!NOTE: Remove the "BB" from my address to respond by email!!  < <<<<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely to be                     shared by my employer, etc…

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CA Fishing License

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The CA DFG lets you order a fishing license over the phone and you get a 5% discount.  The cost savings  will help cover the cost of the call to Sacramento.  This can save a trip to the local bait shop or fly shop. = Since I didn=92t go to the local fly shop, I saved the money on the other= things I would have bought while at the fly shop. Call 916-227-2246 and use your credit card.  My license was delivered to me in Silicon Valley in three days.

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This can save a trip to the local bait shop or fly shop. Since I didn

St. Mary's Rapids ?

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Anyone have any info on how the fishing has been on the St. Mary’s Rapids in Sault Ste. Marie  as of late ?  Never been there before – any advice ?

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Anyone have any info on how the fishing has been on the St. Mary’s

Rapids in Sault Ste. Marie as of late ?  Never been there before – any advice ? See the Linsenman/Nevala book Great Lakes Steelhead: a Guided Tour for Fly Anglers (Backcountry Pubs. 1995) which suggests SSM trout are practically a year-round fishery and mentions a local guide, Karl Vogel IIRR. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Western Washington Lake Fly fishing

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I am a fan of the float tube.  It is certainly a nice change of pace from stream fishing.  However, I am no lake expert.  I find myself constantly using Wolly Buggers with minimal success.  Granted, I have been through the literature and the fly shops, but I guess I just can’t seem to get the trick through my thick skull.  So, what am I asking? Well, I would like to hear some new advice.  What type of wet flies should I be using?  What are some good Washington lakes to try? Aaron W.

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For W. Washington the consensus best bet (especially this time of year) is Pass Lake, located near Anacortes. The mighty chironomid reigns supreme this time of year, but it takes patience to still-fish like that, so don’t discount the time-tested wolly bugger — My biggest rainbow ever (25") came out of Pass Lake on a black and olive bugger. PS — About five years ago I saw a dead Rainbow that had to be over 28" beached on the north shore of Pass Lake.

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Well Aaron, I can’t help you with lakes, but I imagine there is some similarity between B.C. and Washington Lakes. Leeches – just about any time of year Shrimp – just about any time of year but best through summer Chironomids – good in spring and fall – look for larva, pupa and emerging adult patterns Mayflies – spring Backswimmers – spring and summer ok, best in the fall Boatman – spring and summer ok, best in the fall – especially first frost Damselfly numphs – spring Dragonfly nymphs – spring (good), summer (ok) fall (good again) Terrestrials – ants and beetles may be good. I don’t use them much but I hear Vancouver Is. FFers use ‘em. Check your local shops. There are numerous patterns for each of the above. In time you will develop confidence with certain ones. B. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a fan of the float tube.  It is certainly a nice change of pace from stream fishing.  However, I am no lake expert.  I find myself constantly using Wolly Buggers with minimal success.  Granted, I have been through the literature and the fly shops, but I guess I just can’t seem to get the trick through my thick skull.  So, what am I asking? Well, I would like to hear some new advice.  What type of wet flies should I be using?  What are some good Washington lakes to try? Aaron W.

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Use same fly, try different side of state!   Also a sure fly when all else fails is the Nyergys nymph,tied on a 12 foot leader,down deep,dead slow. As far as finding good lake fishing on the west side ,,,,well, you let me know. The flyfishing club that I am a member of is having an outing at Coldwater lake in June maybe that will change my mind.                                        Good luck to you.                                                       L.H – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a fan of the float tube.  It is certainly a nice change of pace from stream fishing.  However, I am no lake expert.  I find myself constantly using Wolly Buggers with minimal success.  Granted, I have been through the literature and the fly shops, but I guess I just can’t seem to get the trick through my thick skull.  So, what am I asking? Well, I would like to hear some new advice.  What type of wet flies should I be using?  What are some good Washington lakes to try? Aaron W.

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For excellent information on lake fishing get the book and or the two videos by Brian Chan of BC. E-mail me if you can’t find them at your local flyshop. —                    "One Fish is Worth a Thousand Lies"                             http://Flyfish.Com

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 I am a fan of the float tube.  It is certainly a nice change of pace  from stream fishing.  However, I am no lake expert.  I find myself  constantly using Wolly Buggers with minimal success.  Granted, I have  been through the literature and the fly shops, but I guess I just can’t  seem to get the trick through my thick skull.  So, what am I asking?

Woolly Buggers in #8 & #10 brown or olive should get you big brown trout at Pass Lake ( Deception Pass).  If you’re fishing in small local lakes that are planted, you won’t find many big fish.  The small planters fish better with san juan worms, hare’s ears or dry flies. Also, are you running those Woolly Buggers on full sink flyline and giving them time to sink?  Most people who don’t have luck with them are either fishing them too shallow or too fast or both.

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I am a fan of the float tube.  It is certainly a nice change of pace from stream fishing.  However, I am no lake expert.  I find myself constantly using Wolly Buggers with minimal success.  Granted, I have been through the literature and the fly shops, but I guess I just can’t seem to get the trick through my thick skull.  So, what am I asking? Well, I would like to hear some new advice.  What type of wet flies should I be using?  What are some good Washington lakes to try? Aaron W.

Hello Aaron, I learned a lot by reading a cheap small book – "Flyfishing Strategies for Stillwaters" by Brian Chan (Frank Amato Publications).  I have also seen a very good book on lake fly fishing by Randall Kaufman.  The trick is not only to imitate the looks but the action of the different insects or creatures you are imitating, scuds, mayfly, caddis, damsels, dragonfly nymphs, water boatmen…they all act differently in the water and duplicating what they each do is key to catching the wisened holdover leviathans.  If there are leeches where you fish then try wooly buggers very slowly, though stripping or trolling them imitates baitfish too.   Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a fan of the float tube.  It is certainly a nice change of pace from stream fishing.  However, I am no lake expert.  I find myself constantly using Wolly Buggers with minimal success.  Granted, I have been through the literature and the fly shops, but I guess I just can’t seem to get the trick through my thick skull.  So, what am I asking? Well, I would like to hear some new advice.  What type of wet flies should I be using?  What are some good Washington lakes to try? Aaron W.

I suggest that you try going smaller on the flies.  You didn’t say where you were fishing, but I would suggest staying with the lake if it is known to have fish.  In washington, the good lakes are well known, and highly populated.  I don’t fish them. I have been doing well in the past few weeks on size 12 and 14 black/brown wooly buggers, fished in the shallows.  I fish various lowland lakes in the cascade foothills.   The flies are black bodied, with a brown hackle.  Fish them slowly, with pasues between short strips. Also have done well with chironomids;  learned a new pattern, a LaFontaine Halo Emerger, that kicks bootie. A size ten brown wooly worm will work well over the next couple of months, as well. I have heard that Big lake, up north, fishes well for cutthroats about now.  Haven’t been there.  Pass Lake is good, but crowded.  Chopaka is awesome, but is not yet open, i don’t think.  Coldwater Lake is great, but earns it’s name.   There is a book in the local stores in Seattle that describes a lot of the lakes around here.  Let me say however, that buying a map and spending a year or two doing some scouting is important.

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I think one of the best flies for Western Washington is an old one, called a Carey.  These come in all sort of body types, but I like the Self Carey best.  It has the body out of the same type feather as the hackle.  In fact I tie my own and just use the same feather.   As for lakes, try Rattlesnake near North Bend and Spada near Sultan.  Of course the primer lake is the flyfishing only lake, Pass Lake up at Deception Pass.   : I am a fan of the float tube.  It is certainly a nice change of pace : from stream fishing.  However, I am no lake expert.  I find myself : constantly using Wolly Buggers with minimal success.  Granted, I have : been through the literature and the fly shops, but I guess I just can’t : seem to get the trick through my thick skull.  So, what am I asking? : Well, I would like to hear some new advice.  What type of wet flies : should I be using?  What are some good Washington lakes to try? : Aaron W.

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