A few months back I shared the news about having found another job, after losing one just a few months prior. Things are going pretty well as far as the actual work part goes, not too difficult from a physical standpoint and enough weekends to save my ass before it falls off. The really good news is that I got a fabulous 6 month evaluation (public employment..) and I am now a permanent staff member. In the summer of ‘98 when I fell apart, it never occurred to me that I might be where I am now. After all by the summer of ‘99 , I was barely walking and most days were about 2 hours long. Things just didn’t look all that promising, if you know what I mean. With a lot of adaptation, some pharmaceutical intervention and a little luck, I was able to crawl through the process of re-training, and then actually staying together long enough to find a job in a crappy job market. Dang. My ms has basically simmered and not boiled over for some time now. I am convinced that copaxone has made a big difference for me, as well as a lot of other stuff. A good marriage, I can still can ride a motorcycle (in fact just got a new one see 
http://colevalley.net/photos/bikes/03yam/yam.02.jpg), I still can fly-fish, and even go for walks in the park. Not that I haven’t had few days here and there where I felt like I had been dunked a vat of novacaine and beaten with a dead salmon, but overall I just have to say that I will probably look back on this time of my life as the good old days. Of course things won’t always be this rosy but for now , I will take it. — Jim S
In <news:wQvTd.599$C47.305@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, jim s said: > Not that I haven’t had few days here and there where I felt like I > had been dunked a vat of novacaine and beaten with a dead salmon,
Dude… some people would pay good money for treatment like that. :-)
Michael wrote: > In <news:wQvTd.599$C47.305@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, > jim s said: >>Not that I haven’t had few days here and there where I felt like I >>had been dunked a vat of novacaine and beaten with a dead salmon, > Dude… some people would pay good money for treatment like that. :-)
Don’t most of them live with their elderly mothers, on a lonely highway somewhere south of Austin, Nevada? — Jim Stinnett R1100Rs VTR1000 YZF R1 http://moto-rama,com
In <news:10wTd.602$C47.216@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, jim s said: > Michael wrote: >> In <news:wQvTd.599$C47.305@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>, >> jim s said: >>> Not that I haven’t had few days here and there where I felt like I >>> had been dunked a vat of novacaine and beaten with a dead salmon, >> Dude… some people would pay good money for treatment like that. 
> Don’t most of them live with their elderly mothers, on a lonely > highway somewhere south of Austin, Nevada?
They only call those old ladies "mom" for the benefit of police and social workers.
We are all very happy for you and hope things continue to go well It sounds like good things are happening — may they continue Do not pass any around, but to cover all bases I have included — some cyber smoked steelhead — some cyber salmon jerky — five cyber pounds of dark chocolate because everyone on this newsgroup knows that dark chocolate is healthy for you You can be sure that we all recognize and appreciate where you are at now from where you used to be and everything that goes with it Congratulations — thanks for keeping us informed — may things continue to go well for you we all are all sharing in your good fortune — Larry Rather than building character, adversity tends to reveal it written using voice recognition software "jim s" <elkab…@colevalley.net> wrote > Of course things won’t always be this rosy but for now , I will take it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Jim S
"jim s" <elkab…@colevalley.net> wrote I can still can ride a motorcycle > (in fact just got a new one see > http://colevalley.net/photos/bikes/03yam/yam.02.jpg), > Jim S
Jim, youre in far to poor a condition to ride a motorcycle like that, I think you need to hand that over to someone like me who can take care of it for you. ;^) Thats a sweet looking ride my man. Nice. Very nice. I must have dropped my Sporty 50 times before I finally bought crash-bars for it, and, of course, havent really droped it once since. Aint that how life goes though? Rob
hi jim, may the dead-salmon-and-novocaine days be few, and the tires-hitting-the-road days many! continued good fortune, rose
"Rob Duncan" <robdun…@gbronline.com> wrote in > Thats a sweet looking ride my man. Nice. Very nice. I must have dropped > my Sporty 50 times before I finally bought crash-bars for it, and, of > course, havent really droped it once since. Aint that how life goes
though? Yeah…what’s up with that? Maybe it’s a karmic insurance policy! vroom. Jim S
"white.lynx" <white.l…@shaw.ca> wrote in message > Do not pass any around,
but to cover all bases I have included > — some cyber smoked steelhead > — some cyber salmon jerky > — five cyber pounds of dark chocolate because everyone on this newsgroup > knows that dark chocolate is healthy for you > You can be sure that we all recognize and appreciate where you are at now > from where you used to be and everything that goes with it
I love chocolate, enough that it rivals some of the other rather important things, like breathing…:) Jim
Maybe so, but the skill is in knowing *how* to ask. Or *who*, I suppose. <g — Charlie… and *WHEN*!
"Welcome to the Little Wayno School of Scoring (We Never Close)" /daytripper ("Lesson 1: Ask Early And Often" 
"The difference between a good nymph fisherman and a great nymph fisherman is often one split shot." Origin unknown
"There’s a fine line between flyfishing and standing in water looking stupid" The Same Guy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe so, but the skill is in knowing *how* to ask. Or *who*, I suppose. <g — Charlie… and *WHEN*! "Welcome to the Little Wayno School of Scoring (We Never Close)" /daytripper ("Lesson 1: Ask Early And Often"
and knowing how to play that martin d-28 while you lay out "hello cowgirl in the sand" don’t hurt all that bad, either… yfitons wayno
Maybe so, but the skill is in knowing *how* to ask. Or *who*, I suppose. <g — Charlie…
and *WHEN*! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!
I fine that flyfishermen are like golfers. Sooner or later, the guy next to you will have a helpful suggestion. It may be about your cast, your flies, your strategy…whatever. However, unlike golfers advice, this input is usually welcomed and helpful. I’ve gotten alot of good advice over the years. Although this wouldn’t be the best advice I’ve gotten, it sticks in my head and serves as a reminder to be open minded and receptive to other peoples’ suggestions. I was fishing the stretch of my home river that I fish the most. I’ve been fishing it for over fifteen years and know it very well. I was fishing a riffle just upstream from a deep pool, when a young woman came up to me and informed me that there were some trout rising in the pool that she couldn’t reach because she only had on hipboots. It was the middle of a summer day and I was sure that the fish rising were the school of small Browns that are "always" rising in this pool. I thanked her and finished fishing the riffle I was working. I KNEW that they were just piddler fish rising and was going to continue working my way upstream but decided to give the rising fish a shot. To make a long story short, I ended up getting some very nice fish in the pool. Willi
Though referring to a different venue – "It is always easier to beg forgiveness than get permission. " - Adm. Grace Hopper Bob Weinberger
MUCH different venu. Not only are there laws, try begging forgiveness from two 6′3" older brothers with attitudes and firearms! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!
"Wayne" wrote… "if you don’t ask for it, you never will get it" Maybe so, but the skill is in knowing *how* to ask.
Practice, practice, practice. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
at the tender age of 16 from a young lady "if you don’t ask for it, you never will get it" — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!
Though referring to a different venue – "It is always easier to beg forgiveness than get permission. " - Adm. Grace Hopper Bob Weinberger
"Wayne" wrote… "if you don’t ask for it, you never will get it" Maybe so, but the skill is in knowing *how* to ask.
Or *who*, I suppose. <g — Charlie…
<SNIP . He suggested on my backcast to think "back and UP". <SNIP Actually, I said. "Think UP! -NOT- BACK!", ( That
Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. Willi
what an infatile post! don’t you people give a shit about fishing? what knot do you use when you tie a fly to the end of your little bitty line that is tied to your great big line that goes on your reel that is screwed on to your pole? and, most importantly, why do you hate america? tomatoes are red. red is the color of communism. you are a communist because you like tomatoes. anthony wayne harrison the third. Aren’t tomatoes really orange and not red? Just like blueberries are really purple. There is no blue food. Perhaps the communists are keeping all the blue food from us.
There is no blue food.
yeah, well that’s what *you* think—i don’t guess you’ve ever eaten a smurf, then! Perhaps the communists are keeping all the blue food from us.
i wouldn’t doubt it.. smurfs are damn good, served n’awleens style. richard has the recipe. wayno
There is no blue food. yeah, well that’s what *you* think—i don’t guess you’ve ever eaten a smurf, then! Perhaps the communists are keeping all the blue food from us. i wouldn’t doubt it.. smurfs are damn good, served n’awleens style. richard has the recipe.
Sure do…first, you get some carpet tacks and caulk…. HTH, really I do… R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -wayno
yeah, well that’s what *you* think—i don’t guess you’ve ever eaten a smurf, then! wayno
Really kinky. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.
yeah, well that’s what *you* think—i don’t guess you’ve ever eaten a smurf, then! wayno Really kinky.
You don’t know the half of it, Frank. Papa Smurf likes to watch. Tim
yeah, well that’s what *you* think—i don’t guess you’ve ever eaten a smurf, then! wayno Really kinky.
You don’t know the half of it, Frank. Papa Smurf likes to watch. Tim Did he get any color glossy photos with circles and arrows?
if it’s the genetically-engineered t’maters, yeah…i invested in that venture and the stock promptly went belly-up…died on the vine, so to speak. gov’t regs and consumer skepticism slowed it down… jeff (natural born stock killer)
Damned semantics again! We been eatin genetically engineered maties and taties for a long long time……been feedin ‘em to our genetically engineered wolves too, for that matter. Wolfgang ubermensch sans portfolio
There is no blue food. yeah, well that’s what *you* think—i don’t guess you’ve ever eaten a smurf, then!
Uhh… eeewww. Though this probably falls under the category of "more than you wanted to know", for the edification of the group, I’ll impart this tidbit of disgusting knowledge. Most rv’s have some sort of solid waste disposal system on board, be it a built in toilet or porta potti. These are typically deoderized and sanitized by the use of a concentrated blue liquid in the holding tank. The contents of said tanks then, due to the strong color influence of this chemical, are colloquially referred to as "smurf juice". HTH, Joe F.
what an infatile post! don’t you people give a shit about fishing? what knot do you use when you tie a fly to the end of your little bitty line that is tied to your great big line that goes on your reel that is screwed on to your pole? and, most importantly, why do you hate america? tomatoes are red. red is the color of communism. you are a communist because you like tomatoes. anthony wayne harrison the third.
I’ll do my best to get you a quart of that corn likker, as soon a possible good buddy! Op
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. You’re probably thinking of the genetically engineered FLAVR SAVR tomatoes: http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/biotech.html That’s the one.
Umm, don’t these fall under the heading of ‘bioengineered foods’ that people want to pass laws to protect themselves from, are boycotting McDonalds in far eastern countries over, and Mugabe just tossed 50,000 tons of relief food out of Zimbabwe because it wasn’t specified to not contain? riverman
if it’s the genetically-engineered t’maters, yeah…i invested in that venture and the stock promptly went belly-up…died on the vine, so to speak. gov’t regs and consumer skepticism slowed it down…
That explains why I haven’t seem them. Willi
Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. You’re probably thinking of the genetically engineered FLAVR SAVR tomatoes: http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/biotech.html
That’s the one. Willi
Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. Willi
what an infatile post! don’t you people give a shit about fishing? what knot do you use when you tie a fly to the end of your little bitty line that is tied to your great big line that goes on your reel that is screwed on to your pole? and, most importantly, why do you hate america? tomatoes are red. red is the color of communism. you are a communist because you like tomatoes. anthony wayne harrison the third.
if it’s the genetically-engineered t’maters, yeah…i invested in that venture and the stock promptly went belly-up…died on the vine, so to speak. gov’t regs and consumer skepticism slowed it down… jeff (natural born stock killer) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. Willi
Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. Willi
Perhaps these taste sharper? http://www.artsnflies.com/pages/clousers23.shtml TL MC
Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this.
You’re probably thinking of the genetically engineered FLAVR SAVR tomatoes: http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/biotech.html — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. Willi
Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. Willi
Not too sure if it’s the same thing, but I’ve been getting "vine ripened" tomatoes still on the vine. They say that they are "organically grown", but they do taste good, and arrive at the store in a less than ripe condition.
I printed it out for just that reason.. hopefully, she’ll laugh all the way to the FF shop.. Maybe you should let her read that story, Particle.
– Particle Salad/ Noom Room Studio http://home.earthlink.net/~psalad mp3 songs: http://www.mp3.com/particlesalad
Great story!However the problem wasn’t really with the float tube,was it?I’ve been using mine for nearly ten years now.Even had to re-sew the stitching on the nylon shell.I’ve never had anything even like a close call.Float tubing is a lot of fun.I’ll sometimes use it in places where I could have easily used my canoe instead,just because theres nothing like floating in the middle of a patch of lilypads,catching fish at eyelevel.I recommend you give your tube another try.(and only bring one rod!) Good Luck, Shawn
A few years back, I got my first tube.
An instant classic! Thanks for a wonderful story. -r
A few years back, I got my first tube.
The next time you go, do us all a favor and take someone with you who has a Camcorder. Another Kodak moment….many moments in your case! LMAO jim
That story ranks up there with tales from Patrick McManus! Great stuff, Frank. Mike Wilson Spangle, WA
To finally know that I’m not the only fool out there! I had a friend do something similar, he now knows what the crotch strap is for as well. Flyfish
Frank Reid
My sides hurt! Never, never, never will SWMBO ever get to read that story. See, she bought me a tube for Christmas and I haven’t had it out yet. She’d lock me in permanently. Even made me up the accidental on my life policy. OK, something’s wrong with this picture . . . I’ll get back to ya Peter
[a _very entertaining_ story snipped] Way to go Frank! I trust that the next itube trip was a little more mundane Steve *still cackling* — "Experience must be the teacher in this game – not only your own but the other man’s" – Dick Wigram http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~steve/fush/
That story ranks up there with tales from Patrick McManus! Great stuff, Frank. Mike Wilson Spangle, WA
_______ I agree. As soon as you hit civilian stride Frank, I think you should run to a good magazine like McManus did. Imagine it? Here you can be a fly fishing fool for the rest of your life and get paid for it! Keep tying those Crawdads Frank. George http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html
Frank Reid
Never, never, never will SWMBO ever get to read that story. See, she bought me a tube for Christmas and I haven’t had it out yet. She’d lock me in permanently. Even made me up the accidental on my life policy. OK, something’s wrong with this picture . . . I’ll get back to ya Peter
I very rarely get a good, hearty laugh here.. funny, to think I was just talking with my wife about acquiring a tube myself… — Particle Salad/ Noom Room Studio http://home.earthlink.net/~psalad mp3 songs: http://www.mp3.com/particlesalad
I very rarely get a good, hearty laugh here.. funny, to think I was just talking with my wife about acquiring a tube myself…
Maybe you should let her read that story, Particle. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
<great story snipped That gave me a good hearty laugh Frank! Thanks for the great story. bc. —
Excellent story. Has the ring of ridiculous reality to it ! TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de
Ah, but I got a tube! Frank Reid
Great story, Frank! I think I hurt myself laughing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)
A few years back, I got my first tube. It was a "surprise" birthday
present [snip] Frank Reid
Supurb, Funniest thing I’ve read in a long time.
(snip) I needed a bottle of champagne to drink or break on my tube. It was a joyous feeling. Right up until I found out what that little crotch strap is for. See, when I stepped out off that rock, my butt hit the saddle of the tube, the tube folded up like a chocolate taco and I shot through the bottom, right past that dangly little strap.
(rest of hilarious story snipped) Frank, I laughed so hard my dog came over to the desk to see what was happening, followed closely by my amused wife. She laughed just as hard, which really pleased Henry the dog. One of the funniest stories ever posted on ROFF. Definitely Hall of Fame material. Dave L. —– Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free Usenet News via the Web —– —– http://newsone.net/ — Discussions on every subject. —– NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts
A few years back, I got my first tube. It was a "surprise" birthday present from my loving wife (I suspect she had a boyfriend and wanted me out of the house or she had gotten my signature down well enough for the insurance papers). I say surprise because it truly was. I had filled out the Cabela’s order form and used one of my daughter’s alphabet magnets to secure it firmly to the fridge. This had been a standard, if useless tactic of mine for years. A very subtle hint on my birthday wishes. My lovely bride of course always knew me better than that. Saw right through this clever charade. Normally got me things she knew I really needed and wanted. Like that bathroom cozy set that can turn a toilette seat cover into a bear trap. When she trotted it out for my birthday, well actually, she came in to the living room, dropped the form in my lapped and told me to "order the damn thing," I boldly informed her of the extra costs associated with a tube, i.e. breathable waders, vest, flippers. She immediately agreed that these items had to go with the tube. Well, not immediately. I first explained the purpose of the different items and she gradually built up a mental picture of her masterful husband in waders, flippers with brand new Caddis float tube firmly ensconced on his hips. I did have to get the less expensive waders though. Had to pay for that emergency room visit for her right about then. She had this terrible episode characterized by hysteria. Almost couldn’t breath, it hit her so hard. Kept saying something like "donut hole." When the whole package arrived, I immediately took the whole kit and kaboodle down to the lake. On the way, I stopped off at the gas station and gave my tube its first breath of air. Just left it in the trunk, didn’t even bother to take it out and inspect it. Filled and off to the lake! Fish beware! When I got to the lake, I pulled my waders out of the back seat and quickly donned them. Put my rod together, hooked up a crawdad fly and finally, the last step, I put on my flippers. I then went to the trunk and got the tube out. Well, not exactly just then. See, I’d filled it while it sat in the trunk of the car. It was now too large to get out of the trunk. All’s I wanted to do was a bit of fishing, but my spatial cognitive skills had been less than perfect. That’s something else my bride always told me. I found that if I deflated the float tube about 1/3 of the way down, I could get it back out of the trunk. Didn’t really have to deflate it that far, but it took that much air out of the thing before I figured that one of the "D" rings was caught on the trunk spring. I could go back up the road to the gas station and fill it back up, but it still looked pretty full so I decided to go for it. It was about 200 yards from the parking area to the lake. About 150 yards across the field, I discovered that you can walk much better if you carry the tube over your shoulder and take off the flippers. You can understand my need to get at the fish had slightly clouded my judgement. No more hanging out on shore with those other slobs, I had a boat. I finally got down an area that looked like a good place to launch. I had talked to a friend with a float tube and had heard of the problems with mud at a launch site. Not this bubba, no sir. Found a good rock ledge to launch from. There was a rock in calf deep water that dropped off to about 12 feet. You couldn’t see the bottom but I figured it was the same distance swimming to the bottom as at my high school swimming pool. I stood on the ledge, had my tube around me, my rods in my right hands and I launched. I needed a bottle of champagne to drink or break on my tube. It was a joyous feeling. Right up until I found out what that little crotch strap is for. See, when I stepped out off that rock, my butt hit the saddle of the tube, the tube folded up like a chocolate taco and I shot through the bottom, right past that dangly little strap. Didn’t even have to worry about a life vest to slow my hi-speed passage through that torus from hell. Had to let go of the rods as I felt them flex in my hand and was afraid to break them. Came up struggling for air. Be amazed at the water temp in Omaha, Nebraska in the third week of April. I now know how Jesus walked on water. The water was cold as ice and as soon as he hit it, he was on his feet moving. Felt like I was in one of those "polar bear clubs." I reached out and quickly grabbed my tube and dragged it back with me to the rock ledge. One of my two rods had caught on the right side handle by the reel and I was able to quickly retrieve it. Unfortunately, it was the cheep rod. The good rod was at the bottom of this rock ledge somewhere. This is how I learned how deep the water was. I stripped off my boots and waders and dove in before I realized how cold, cold could get. Water was a bit chill to say the least. On my fourth dive, I found a rod and brought it to the surface. It was a wonderful three-dollar Zebco. Went back down and finally found my rod after about two or three more tries. Now I had a bit of a problem. Hypothermia was setting in. An inability to stop shaking was my first clue. But ever the fisherman, I thought, "wonder what other rods are down there?" I shook off that thought put my wading boots back on, piled my stuff in the tube, SECURED IT WITH THE CROTCH STRAP, and headed back up to the car. The air temp was a brisk 40 degrees with a good wind. I did have to stop after about ten feet and drain the water out of the float tube cover. That area not filled with inner tube from the deflation was now filled with water. Added about 60 lbs to the whole package. When I got to the car, I dumped my stuff in the trunk but didn’t have anything to dry off with. My jeans were soaked and the only thing dry was my sneakers that I’d left in the car. I knew there were three opportunities to die on this day. I’d just lived through one, a drowning. I was in the middle of another, hypothermia. I got my clothes off and covered my self with a small rucksack. I then found a rag t-shirt under the seat that I used to check the oil. I turned the engine on and luckily, the car hadn’t had much of a chance to cool down and the heater was soon up to full speed. There would be one other way to die on this day, the most horrible of the three. Not the panic of the drowning, not the slow loss of consciousness of hypothermia, but the death of a thousand I-told-you-so’s. If the mother of my children found out about the fact I couldn’t get more than three feet from shore without killing myself, what chance would I ever get to go out on a quiet morning and go fishing by myself? She had already insisted that I wear an international orange hat to keep me from turning into the marine version of the lane turtles on the interstate, on a no-wake lake no less! Couldn’t go home. Explain my new oily-t-shirt-and-wet-underpants outfit to the wiff. Not on your life. Couldn’t go to a laundry mat. The mid-west populace does not look kindly on some shirtless blue Pict in chest waders wandering into the laundry mat and scaring hell out of old aunt Sally. But, as a fisherman, I had the answer, duct tape. I had to get my pants and shirt dry. I duct taped my Levi’s to the inside of the hood of my car. This was rather fun as I was now wearing the t-shirt as a toga wrap-around. I then duct taped my flannel shirt to the heater underneath the passenger seat dash. I closed the shirt up with tape so all of the hot air would have to go through the shirt. Hopped on the highway and took an eighty mile drive to Lincoln and back. Got back to the lake and in a secluded area checked out my handy work. All, except for the seams of the shirt collar, was dry. I went home and strolled in, bold as brass (and smelling of gas). My wonderful wife queried me about my fishing. I answered quite honestly that I’d not gotten a bite all day (except frostbite). The poor woman will never really understand me as a fisherman. Her next comment was "I don’t know why you just don’t fish from the bank. That outfit looks like more problems than its worth." Ah, but I got a tube! Frank Reid
the funniest story I’ve seen in a long time!
I don’t have a wife or kids, don’t live in the Midwest and didn’t find a $3 Zebco rod, but I can attest the rest of this story has to be true. Why? I’ve done all the rest… though I scorched the pants on a hot exhaust manifold. Thanks for a great story! Cheers Rick
Very funny Frank, Now I know what I missed by not getting a float tube. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few years back, I got my first tube. It was a "surprise" birthday present Frank Reid
Just flip them back out with your gig pole, or your push pole. The biggest thing is to learn how to tell a water snake from a cotton mouth. They will vary in color from a light tan through to a dark brown and all the way to black, so look for the thick body and big head.
A very good point Pat. I grew up around the swamps in southeast Texas and saw a wide range of colors. The thick body and wide heads are the correct clues. I once was working at a golf course where one clogged a 6" sprinkler intake pipe in one of the ponds. Imagine my coworker’s reaction when he waded out, feeling for what was there and found that cotton mouth. Jesus wasn’t the only one who walked (ran) on water. Tyler Hopper
I was told one way to tell if a snake is of a dangerious kind is to watch how they swin in the water. If a snake swins with head parallel and very close to the surface of the water, then watch out! OTOH, if a snake swims with its head way out of the water, chances are it won’t be something nasty as cotton mouth and the likes. I never understood why, but it seemed to work for me. Joe
As a rule, most snakes are more afraid of you than you are of them, including rattlers. The major exception to this rule is the cotton mouth, they will actively defend their territory if they are on land. I grew up in southeast Alabama within walking distance of 3 good sized ponds, all of which were full of snakes and I can tell you from experience that a big cotton mouth will chase you away if you intrude on their "property". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My experience with snakes in general is that they are more afraid of you than vice versa, and will try to get out of your way if possible. Warren Funk
Thanks to all who answered my question with advice and fascinating stories. I appreciate all the answers. Butch Formerly Corkbug, now DeepSnag! Thanks again guys!
I recently began fishing both fly and bait casting in the tidal waters of South Eastern Virginia. I am a little concerned with the safety of wading in these waters with the prevalence of ‘Water Mocassins’. Do other people wade regularly in these waters and are there any particular precautions one should take? Thanks for any input Butch
CorkBug – a sawed-off 12 gauge comes to mind first. Overall, I think you’d be fairly safe, but snakes are snakes, and you can’t predict their behavior. I have seen one up close and personal (four feet long, size of your wrist, and extremely angry). Of course, he had three treble hooks in his middle, so I suppose you could assume he had reason. My experience with snakes in general is that they are more afraid of you than vice versa, and will try to get out of your way if possible. I fished with a buddy who carried a .357 loaded with .38 bird shot–worked great. Warren Funk
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently began fishing both fly and bait casting in the tidal waters of South Eastern Virginia. I am a little concerned with the safety of wading in these waters with the prevalence of ‘Water Mocassins’. Do other people wade regularly in these waters and are there any particular precautions one should take? Thanks for any input Butch
In water shallow enough to wade in, it’s not likely that a cotton mouth will be under water, you will see them coming, unless they are coming from behind. They tend to be aggressive about defending their "territory" so keep an eye out for them. If the water is fast moving I doubt that you will see many snakes in it anyway. Another thing to keep in mind. Where there are water moccasins, there will also be a lot of harmless water snakes that look just like their more dangerous cousins. The cotton mouth tends to be thicker through the body than the average water snake, plus there is always the head that is wider than the body as a dead giveaway that you have a cotton mouth on your hands. Another thing that cotton mouths like to do is get in the boat with you at night. I’ve never understood why, but we frog gig quite a bit from a small jon boat with one guy in front with a headlight and a gig while another guy poles the boat from the back. It’s not unusual for a big ‘ole moccasin to crawl over the side and into the boat. Just flip them back out with your gig pole, or your push pole. The biggest thing is to learn how to tell a water snake from a cotton mouth. They will vary in color from a light tan through to a dark brown and all the way to black, so look for the thick body and big head. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently began fishing both fly and bait casting in the tidal waters of South Eastern Virginia. I am a little concerned with the safety of wading in these waters with the prevalence of ‘Water Mocassins’. Do other people wade regularly in these waters and are there any particular precautions one should take? Thanks for any input Butch
There are so many… Try Fish & Fly at http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/ Ken Baron at http://www.cse.bris.ac.uk/~cckhrb/kb_fish.html UK Fishing World at http://www.cygnet.co.uk/ukfw/ Or why not use AltaVista and search for "+fly fishing +UK" ? Lasse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know of a fly fishing website restricted to the UK ? Please let me know. I fish in Hampshire.
Anyone know of a fly fishing website restricted to the UK ? Please let me know. I fish in Hampshire.
Anyone know of a fly fishing website restricted to the UK ? Please let me know. I fish in Hampshire.
Hi Jeremy, It’s not a website but a newsgroup – try uk.rec.fishing.game (URFG) you’ll find a lot of U.K.flyfishermen there. — Bill
Anyone know of a fly fishing website restricted to the UK ? Please let me know. I fish in Hampshire.
Hi Jeremy, < Anyone know of a fly fishing website restricted to the UK ? Please let me know. I fish in Hampshire. Yes.. try my site, although I’m in N. Wales. I’m currently adding a site for someone down your way. If you know of anyone who would like their fishery listing, let me know and I will add them to my site. Whilst you’re browsing, kindly sign my guestbook Regards, Dave. ( David Anthony Fink ) www : http://homepages.enterprise.net/davefink/
Hi. I am looking for your help and information on a project that I have going at present. I am producing a guide to the best places to fish and require information from your area. The information I need is of course the best fishing locations,species to target,methods of catching the fish,tackle used,local tackle shops accommodation etc.Please also classify the type of fishing it is,i.e boat,game,fly,coarse etc…. If the information provided is used,you will receive a credit to your name for providing the information. You may even be contacted as the local guide for the area if you wish. If possible,I would like information as to where the location is,be it by hand drawing or other,the nearest airport and port. This is a big project and your help will be greatly appreciated. Please send details by return e-mail and an acknowledgement will be sent to you. Kind regards. Paul Suggitt If you received this e-mail in error,then please accept my sincere apologies for bothering you. If you type remove in the subject line and return the mail,I will ensure that you will not be bothered again!
One should be careful of posts like this, it MAY open you up to spam in your personal emailbox, and being added to a master email list for unsolicited ads that get sold these days. Post suggestions to the ng, thats what this is for right? JohnM
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi. I am looking for your help and information on a project that I have going at present. I am producing a guide to the best places to fish and require information from your area. The information I need is of course the best fishing locations,species to target,methods of catching the fish,tackle used,local tackle shops accommodation etc.Please also classify the type of fishing it is,i.e boat,game,fly,coarse etc…. If the information provided is used,you will receive a credit to your name for providing the information. You may even be contacted as the local guide for the area if you wish. If possible,I would like information as to where the location is,be it by hand drawing or other,the nearest airport and port. This is a big project and your help will be greatly appreciated. Please send details by return e-mail and an acknowledgement will be sent to you. Kind regards. Paul Suggitt If you received this e-mail in error,then please accept my sincere apologies for bothering you. If you type remove in the subject line and return the mail,I will ensure that you will not be bothered again!
Hey ,watch out for this guy , I read his post on the NG and the next day got the same crap through my e-mail program. How do you anti-spammerize your e-mail programs. I use 3 different programs to filter some of the crap out. But it still gets through. —– The RodMaker ICQ# 9754996 http://geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you. — MB Healy
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you.
Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you. — MB Healy
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you.
Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you. — MB Healy
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you.
Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you. — MB Healy
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you.
Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you. — MB Healy
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you.
Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you. — MB Healy
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you.
Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you. — MB Healy
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you.
Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you. — MB Healy
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you.
Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you. — MB Healy
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you.
Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you. — MB Healy
Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail? Please supply the postage rate in local currency. Thank you.
Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR
I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats??
I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats??
Good question.
I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats??
What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. — Gordon
I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. — Gordon
I AM NOT!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gordon wrote… I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :)
ROTFL! I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance….. — Gordon
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gordon wrote… I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :) ROTFL! I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance…..
Well, that’s what you get in a country with a two party system. BTW, Pooler is neither. cheers bob
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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. — Gordon
All the U.S. participants are part of what some chose to call a "Two Party System"……
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :) ROTFL! I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance….. Well, that’s what you get in a country with a two party system. BTW, Pooler is neither. cheers bob
And, BTW, neither is the Nixon. I voted the Reform Party in the last National Election and am likely to do so again……. McDAve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gordon wrote… In article I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :) I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance….. Well, that’s what you get in a country with a two party system. BTW, Pooler is neither. And, BTW, neither is the Nixon. I voted the Reform Party in the last National Election and am likely to do so again…….
Well, I’m all for revolution, sorry – reform. — Gordon
Unless your really going to be using the pack rod for hiking, camping, etc where the small size makes a difference I would stay away from the 4 pc rod. they tend to be very stiff due to the large number of ferrules. I looked at quite a few before i found one that i liked (not stiff). If your just starting out, get a two piece, as the quality is usually much better for the same cost. pack rods req much more engineering to equal the same action of a two piece rod and that extra engineering is usually lacking in lower priced rods and they end up being very stiff. IMO
I am looking for a beginner’s outfit. I live in Northern California and will be fishing for trout in rivers and streams. There are also steelhead, bass and salmon in my area, but I assume (and let me know if I am wrong) that I will need a heavier rod/reel for steelhead, bass and salmon. I was thinking of a 5 weight, 8 1/2 foot rod. LL Bean has an 2 piece rod outfit, with a guarentee, for $100 Cabellas has a 4 piece rod outfit (which may be handy for hiking), with no lifetime guarentee, for about $90.00. Any thoughts on LL Bean vs. Cabellas? And if the rods are equal, any thoughts on trading the guarentee (LLBean) for the convience of a four piece rod (Cabellas)? Any additional imput would be great. Thanks in advance.
Anthony: I’d second the advice you got from the other responder to your post I’ve seen and go for the 2 piece unless that kind of small carrying size is really really important to you. As he said, it takes a lot of technology to still give a rod life and yet pack four ferrules on it. Besides, for hiking, you just use the rod case for the 2 piece as a staff. (And they even make a little rubber shoe that fits over standard rod cases to make such a thing even handier.) As to the weight of your rod, sounds good, and yet, salmon and steelhead would require a significantly heavier rod. BUT, you might want to think about going up one size
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I pulled open a drawer where I keep all kinds of eyes for tying fishing flies. As I was getting set to tie some bonefish flies, I realized that a lot of my bead chain had come out of any pouch that it had been in. Some of the bead chain is old standard stuff, some is Stainless, which I’d like to use on my bonefish flies. Anyone know of an easy way to tell which is the stainless eyes? (besides letting it sit in salt water for a few days/weeks) Weird question, but I would hope some metallurgist fly-fisherman might know the easy answer! TIA… Steve
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I pulled open a drawer where I keep all kinds of eyes for tying fishing flies. As I was getting set to tie some bonefish flies, I realized that a lot of my bead chain had come out of any pouch that it had been in. Some of the bead chain is old standard stuff, some is Stainless, which I’d like to use on my bonefish flies. Anyone know of an easy way to tell which is the stainless eyes? (besides letting it sit in salt water for a few days/weeks) Weird question, but I would hope some metallurgist fly-fisherman might know the easy answer! TIA… Steve
Hi Steve Using a magnet is a good starting point in that (in my experience) even the highest-quality stainless steel exhibits some magnetic properties. I have three kinds of bead chain; chrome plated mild steel, shiny stainless steel and chrome plated brass. A magnet should enable you to tell these three apart, in that brass won’t be even faintly magnetic. Hope that helps Russ
Anyone know of an easy way to tell which is the stainless eyes? (besides letting it sit in salt water for a few days/weeks)
I believe that a magnet will not attract stainless steel. Dave
In general the stainless will not be "ferromagnetic" and will, therefore, not be attracted to a magnet, unlike the steel bead, which will. Although this is not always the case I would take about any odds that it will work, as ferritic stainless is rare….make that very rare. dave
: I pulled open a drawer where I keep all kinds of eyes for tying : fishing flies. As I was getting set to tie some bonefish flies, I : realized that a lot of my bead chain had come out of any pouch that it : had been in. Some of the bead chain is old standard stuff, some is : Stainless, which I’d like to use on my bonefish flies. : : Anyone know of an easy way to tell which is the stainless eyes? : (besides letting it sit in salt water for a few days/weeks) : : Weird question, but I would hope some metallurgist fly-fisherman might : know the easy answer! : : TIA… : : Steve Austenitic stainless steel will not attract a magnet. Martensitic stainless steel *will* attract a magnet. So, one has to be careful. Now, what you do have going for you is that austenitic stainless steel is the most corrosion resistant and thus might be the best choice for saltwater use. However, martensitic is the type that can be the strongest. As far as the other type of stainless, ferritic, I am not sure, but I think that also might attract a magnet. As I said, one has to be careful. Good luck. Kind regards, Steve Kernosky Michigan Tech Univ.
Stainless steel is generally not attracted to a magnet nearly as strongly as regular steel because of the increased content of other metals, i.e. nickel and others. If you have a small magnet, you might try this until a *real* metal expert replies. longspeer
Anyone know of an easy way to tell which is the stainless eyes? (besides letting it sit in salt water for a few days/weeks) I believe that a magnet will not attract stainless steel.
Russel and Dave- You are both right on. Thanks for the tip… Steve
The technical stuff all sounds great – if you are trying to tell between Stainless and Mild Steel, the simple way is to make sure the item is clean (and not sharp) and taste it – stainless does not taste of anything, mild steel has a , well, metallic sort of taste. Dont hook yourself. hope it helps.
snip Anyone know of an easy way to tell which is the stainless eyes? (besides letting it sit in salt water for a few days/weeks) Weird question, but I would hope some metallurgist fly-fisherman might know the easy answer! TIA… Steve
I believe that stainless steel is not a ferromagnetic material, and therefore will not be attracted to a magnet. — Brian Charles
: : The technical stuff all sounds great – if you are trying to tell : between Stainless and Mild Steel, the simple way is to make sure the : item is clean (and not sharp) and taste it – stainless does not taste : of anything, mild steel has a , well, metallic sort of taste. : : Might look a little silly. : : : Dont hook yourself. : : That would look even worse. Just try explaining *that* to the wife. : : -DLB I guess I’ve come into this thread late, but has anyone mentioned that stainless steels (cept 17-4 HT or 18-8 HT) has very low to none magnetic capability. To determint it quickly I use a strong magnet. Mild steel is easy determined this way. Bob — Bob San Jose, Ca
Hi, try using a good magnet. The stainless steel will roll to the magnet quicker. Good uh ? fishing.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip Anyone know of an easy way to tell which is the stainless eyes? (besides letting it sit in salt water for a few days/weeks) Weird question, but I would hope some metallurgist fly-fisherman might know the easy answer! TIA… Steve I believe that stainless steel is not a ferromagnetic material, and therefore will not be attracted to a magnet. — Brian Charles
No, some types of stainless steel (typically the 400 series, I believe) are at least slightly ferromagnetic, so a magnet is not an accurate way to determine whether or not the metal is stainless steel. Unfortunately, I don’t know of any easy, reliable way to distinguish stainless steel. Usually one can tell by appearance: stainless steel has a relatively dull, gray sheen compared to plated materials (eg. chrome or cadmium over steel), but brighter than aluminum or pot metal alloys. It helps to have a practiced eye – as well as some examples of true stainless steel. Surface texture is also a good clue: with stainless, the machine tool marks may still be evident, whereas plating will typically smooth or fill these in. -Wes Wes Neuenschwander Seattle, WA