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These thoughtful posts from Tara are just too good to allow to fade from usenet. Since Tara set them not to be archived, I’ve copied them here to protect them for posterity. MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.6.1 (Macintosh) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.national- parks,rec.backcountry,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly,alt.wolves X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 73 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.237.31 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1023508397 209.226.237.31 (Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:53:17 EDT) Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!news- out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!upp1.onvoy!msc1.onvoy!onv oy.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.c om!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: usenetserver.com rec.outdoors.national-parks:143809 rec.backcountry:254050 rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:328244 alt.wolves:135493 atl1.usenetserver.com) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bingo! Yippee!  You win! So youa re actively and vigorously working at protecting the Tom Benos of the world. Ya think?  Well, I guess I’m not going to get too worked up over it.  I mean, how many of them can there be?  I don’t believe I’ve ever encountered the name Beno before……I’d be much surprised if there’s more than a couple dozen Tom Benos on the planet.  And, given how unlikely it is that they share much more than a name, I suspect that giving all of them my active and vigorous support would pretty much be a wash in the long run, don’t you? Thanks for the support! Uh…..you’re welcome…….I guess…….um…….are you a Tom Beno? E-mail his ISP and complain about the illegal and unconstitutional harassment techniques of the far right extremists trying to take away his right of free speech! Rise up and smite the oppressors!  Dirty filthy cowards, all of them… Dan Evidence be damned!  I’m gonna go way out on a limb here and give long odds that you and the rest of the Tom Benos think you got something to say. Wolfgang whattya say boys and girls……who wants to win a shiny new nickel?      :)

Reading all of this – all of this – I am overwhelmed with the sheer pettiness of all of you. ALL of you.  What a waste of time, what a waste of lives. Do none of you have nothing better to do with your time.  Do any of you ever stand back and look at what you write and actually see yourselves. "I’ll do what I want because my way is the right way. And I’ll do what is right because you are wrong!" "And I’ll fix you, ha ha!"  Do you not see that all of you are right and all of you are at the same time wrong?  Nah, you don’t. Your attitude, both sides, is why we have the mess we do.  This is why this world, it’s politics and it’s results are, and continue to be a mess   This is not the way to clean it up or change it. It’s only a way to perpetuate it. I sit back and look at this and I see that Tom, at least has a cause, a purpose and we need that. We need crusaders. But when it becomes a matter of oneupmanship or one of school yard childishness, there is no hope of change. What to do?  Has anyone ever known what to to. I sometimes think it’s simply going to be a struggle forever.   In the history of the world the only ones who have truly changed anything are those who have always been unwilling to resort to the tactics I see here. You, all of you are the grain of sand that is the universe. What kind of universe do you want it to be. Tara Just my 2 cents. MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.6.1 (Macintosh) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.national- parks,rec.backcountry,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly,alt.wolves X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 112 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.208.65.191 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1023515054 216.208.65.191 (Sat, 08 Jun 2002 01:44:14 EDT) Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!btnet- peer1!btnet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn !webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.b ellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: usenetserver.com rec.outdoors.national-parks:143811 rec.backcountry:254061 rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:328261 alt.wolves:135495 atl1.usenetserver.com) Tom is not a crusader, he’s a nuisance. I’m sure that you also welcome into your home every person that has a religous message to share. And isn’t that the ultimate crusade?

Ahhh, Jeff, notice how you searched for and of course, found the one thing you could find to perpetuate and continue the madness. And also notice (you won’t, however), how you brought it into a new twist to perpetuate the argument.  But, I’m not arguing, and I will not continue (no matter what idiotic responses come from what I’ve said) to post here anymore on this topic. Tara Bye buy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bingo! Yippee!  You win! So youa re actively and vigorously working at protecting the Tom Benos of the world. Ya think?  Well, I guess I’m not going to get too worked up over it.  I mean, how many of them can there be?  I don’t believe I’ve ever encountered the name Beno before……I’d be much surprised if there’s more than a couple dozen Tom Benos on the planet.  And, given how unlikely it is that they share much more than a name, I suspect that giving all of them my active and vigorous support would pretty much be a wash in the long run, don’t you? Thanks for the support! Uh…..you’re welcome…….I guess…….um…….are you a Tom Beno? E-mail his ISP and complain about the illegal and unconstitutional harassment techniques of the far right extremists trying to take away his right of free speech! Rise up and smite the oppressors!  Dirty filthy cowards, all of them… Dan Evidence be damned!  I’m gonna go way out on a limb here and give long odds that you and the rest of the Tom Benos think you got something to say. Wolfgang whattya say boys and girls……who wants to win a shiny new nickel?      :) Reading all of this – all of this – I am overwhelmed with the sheer pettiness of all of you. ALL of you.  What a waste of time, what a waste of lives. Do none of you have nothing better to do with your time.  Do any of you ever stand back and look at what you write and actually see yourselves. "I’ll do what I want because my way is the right way. And I’ll do what is right because you are wrong!" "And I’ll fix you, ha ha!"  Do you not see that all of you are right and all of you are at the same time wrong?   Nah, you

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Dang!  You know, I think she’s right.

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Yeah, she may be right, but in the end, isn’t her responding to them just more of the same?  And isn’t my response to her responding to them just more of the same? …Whoa, too much thinking makes Kurt’s head spin.  I’m going to go sit down now.

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  I’m unsure of whether to head up to the Lake Tahoe area or the Southern Utah area in a week or two to do some flyfishing.  I’ve tried to find some up to date reports from those two areas on the internet but haven’t come up with anything helpful.  Does anybody know of any websites with up to date reports for those to specific areas?  I’m not interested in fishing in actually Lake Tahoe but the smaller resevoirs and streams around it (Martis Creek Resevoir, Spooner Lake, Truckee River)  and in Utah I’m interested in   the Beaver river and some of those smaller lakes in the south. Thanks for any help anybody can provide. Matthew —       Matthew W. Kaphan         Las Vegas, NV

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For Truckee area fishing reports go to www.flyline.com   The reports are pretty accurate and are updated every day and provides alot of useful info. You can also call the Truckee River Outfitters-a local Fly Fishing Shop.  I don’t know their number, but google probably can get it for you. Good Luck Rob L

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   I’m unsure of whether to head up to the Lake Tahoe area or the Southern Utah area in a week or two to do some flyfishing.  I’ve tried to find some up to date reports from those two areas on the internet but haven’t come up with anything helpful.  Does anybody know of any websites with up to date reports for those to specific areas?  I’m not interested in fishing in actually Lake Tahoe but the smaller resevoirs and streams around it (Martis Creek Resevoir, Spooner Lake, Truckee River)  and in Utah I’m interested in the Beaver river and some of those smaller lakes in the south. Thanks for any help anybody can provide. Matthew —       Matthew W. Kaphan         Las Vegas, NV

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  I’m unsure of whether to head up to the Lake Tahoe area or the Southern Utah area in a week or two to do some flyfishing.  I’ve tried to find some up to date reports from those two areas on the internet but haven’t come up with anything helpful.  Does anybody know of any websites with up to date reports for those to specific areas?  I’m not interested in fishing in actually Lake Tahoe but the smaller resevoirs and streams around it (Martis Creek Resevoir, Spooner Lake, Truckee River)  and in Utah I’m interested in the Beaver river and some of those smaller lakes in the south. Thanks for any help anybody can provide. Matthew

I asked someone in a local Tahoe store last autumn about the fishing up there. Apparently you have to be very good at reading the water since the area is somewhat overfished. —       Matthew W. Kaphan         Las Vegas, NV

– Svend  1600 Amphitheatre Pkwy       Phone: (+1) 650 933 3618  Mountain View  California 94043  USA

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The Truckee & Little Truckee get pounded pretty good, be prepared for slow fishing unless you can consider yourself expert.  These two rivers were some of the original Wild Trout programs in CA, along with Martis Lakw-They are C&R only,with barbless hooks or flies only allowed.  However, there are BIG FISH in these and other nearby waters.  Get the Truckee River acess map, and plan before you go. Rob L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I asked someone in a local Tahoe store last autumn about the fishing up there. Apparently you have to be very good at reading the water since the area is somewhat overfished. —       Matthew W. Kaphan         Las Vegas, NV — Svend  1600 Amphitheatre Pkwy       Phone: (+1) 650 933 3618  Mountain View  California 94043  USA

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The Truckee & Little Truckee get pounded pretty good, be prepared for slow fishing unless you can consider yourself expert.  These two rivers were some of the original Wild Trout programs in CA, along with Martis Lakw-They are C&R only,with barbless hooks or flies only allowed.  However, there are BIG FISH in these and other nearby waters.  Get the Truckee River acess map, and plan before you go. Rob L

Hi Rob. Are these fish comming up from Pyramide Lake ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I asked someone in a local Tahoe store last autumn about the fishing up there. Apparently you have to be very good at reading the water since the area is somewhat overfished. —       Matthew W. Kaphan         Las Vegas, NV — Svend  1600 Amphitheatre Pkwy       Phone: (+1) 650 933 3618  Mountain View  California 94043  USA

– Svend  1600 Amphitheatre Pkwy       Phone: (+1) 650 933 3618  Mountain View  California 94043  USA

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As far as I know they aren’t Pyramid Lake fish.  For an excellent resource on the Truckee and Pyramid, call the Truckee River Outfitters and ask one of their guy’s.  Some of them also work in their other shop in Reno and do guided trips and instruction in both areas.  They have always been forthcoming with good info. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are these fish comming up from Pyramide Lake ?

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Hi, I am from France and have been fishing in southern Utah few times and I enjoyed uit very much the colorado river down stream Lake Powell is jsut wonderful have a look at : http://www.leesferry.com/ and there is also some great places where brown trouts are waiting for your fly have a good time , and feel free to ask further information if needed

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Nice try, Scott. But nobody’s going to believe that you actually care about fly fishing. Must just be trying to get people on your good side so they’ll vote for Gore. <G

Damn! You caught me. And I thought roffian were dumb… <g right back atcha.

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Thanks for the helpful answers. Of course, it’s the least you could do, after stealing my name…

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Ergo, I have lots of dumb questions about fishing. Here are some: 1.  Summer steelies and chinook both are running in the Deschutes below Shearer’s Falls. I’m familiar with the classic "steelhead swing". Question is: how would I go about targeting chinook in the same water? Why doesn’t the swing pick up chinook too?

well, the swing can pick up chinook… but salmon in rivers just aren’t as aggressive as steelhead plus kings often hold in deeper water than the steelhead… and much of the fishing for steelhead on the deschutes is done with a floating line and kings aren’t apt to move as far for a fly as summer-run steelhead. 2.  What the hell does a Green Butt Skunk or a Freight Train represent? Don’t look like fish; don’t look like bugs; aren’t really all that stimulating… why doesn’t a big chunk of pink yarn with a bead head work as well?

they represent nothing really… they are attrators.  since steelhead do not need to eat to survive in rivers, for the most part they don’t.  you are trying to trigger an instictive or curiosity strike (they don’t have hands so if they want to check out something they check with their mouths).  a chunk of pink yarn will work too… and sometimes probably better than the typical steelhead flies.  of course, there are more realistic steelhead flies, such as the large number of october caddis skating flies, muddlers and stonefly nymphs. 3.  I’m familiar with coho running up smaller creeks during/after a rain, when the water level rises. (I’m thinking of Eagle Creek, off the Clackamas.) Question is, how long after a rain do they run? I went to Eagle Creek on a warm dry day, and there just were no fish in the river (except one that was hanging under a bridge trying to avoid being hit on the head by the plunkers’ lead). I hear that the afternoon of our last rain, zillions ran. So is it only worth fishing for coho there immediately after a rain, or are there other factors (like, do the ones that run up during a rain stay there once they get there, the way steelies do?)

on small creeks they will usually enter during high water events… and imo they bite better when there’s some color to the water.  during low water, look at tidewater areas to find fish moving up and down with the tides.  the coho that run upstream after a high water event will usually stay, but if the water then drops low they will hole up in the deeper parts of the stream or river.  of course, with anadramous fish there are exceptions to every rule <G 4.  I lied in #3. There was one other fish in the creek: a medium coho that kept rolling on the surface of a small pool. Scared him away (see intro paragraph, above). Question is: what they heck are they doing when they roll on top like that? He didn’t seem to be rising to feed…

don’t know why salmon roll.  some people say they do it to loosen their eggs, maybe it’s just boredom waiting to spawn… but i’ve seen them do the same thing out in the ocean when they are months away from entering the rivers and are feeding machines.

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Ergo, I have lots of dumb questions about fishing. Here are some: [snipped]

Nice try, Scott. But nobody’s going to believe that you actually care about fly fishing. Must just be trying to get people on your good side so they’ll vote for Gore. <G –Steve (lemme throw in one more "<g" for good measure)

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I have lots of ideas about things discussed around campfires, but I’ve never pretended to know how to catch fish. My personal contribution to the PETA/AR cause is that not only do I fail to catch fish myself on a fairly consistent basis, but I also put fish down with my clumsy flailing, thereby preventing other fishermen from harming God’s little aquatic creatures either. Ergo, I have lots of dumb questions about fishing. Here are some: 1.  Summer steelies and chinook both are running in the Deschutes below Shearer’s Falls. I’m familiar with the classic "steelhead swing". Question is: how would I go about targeting chinook in the same water? Why doesn’t the swing pick up chinook too? 2.  What the hell does a Green Butt Skunk or a Freight Train represent? Don’t look like fish; don’t look like bugs; aren’t really all that stimulating… why doesn’t a big chunk of pink yarn with a bead head work as well? 3.  I’m familiar with coho running up smaller creeks during/after a rain, when the water level rises. (I’m thinking of Eagle Creek, off the Clackamas.) Question is, how long after a rain do they run? I went to Eagle Creek on a warm dry day, and there just were no fish in the river (except one that was hanging under a bridge trying to avoid being hit on the head by the plunkers’ lead). I hear that the afternoon of our last rain, zillions ran. So is it only worth fishing for coho there immediately after a rain, or are there other factors (like, do the ones that run up during a rain stay there once they get there, the way steelies do?) 4.  I lied in #3. There was one other fish in the creek: a medium coho that kept rolling on the surface of a small pool. Scared him away (see intro paragraph, above). Question is: what they heck are they doing when they roll on top like that? He didn’t seem to be rising to feed… I’ll even condescend to accept answers from those who disagree with me politically! Scott

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Agnes, The Sabana Resort (near Desaru) is easily reached by ferry from both Changi Point and Tanah Merah Jetty. I have friends residing in Spore coming over to visit me on Labour days. So, I have make some plans visiting Kota Tinggi area. Here are some of the suggestions: Mutiara Motor Resort in Sedili Kecil, very layback without tourist!! for kampung life. you can cycle, jungle trek, play pools or karaoke…. . A slow walk about in Kg. Sedili Besar, a sleepy fishing village opposite Kuala Sedili. Interesting sights will be ensured. http://www.mutiaramotors.com/html/resort/index_resort.html Also, Pulau Sibu/Tinggi is just a 2-3 hour trip from Kuala Sedili by boat. Check out this site for info : http://www.myoutdoor.com/ about Johor’s Islands nearby Mersing is quiet and beautiful too. I have been to most of the islands and so far has not disappointed me just yet. If you ever go , remember to bring lots of film. You will never regrets. It maybe a bit limited in choices of getting there though. Except Tioman Island. You may take the ferry from Tanah Merah Jetty, Spore and cruise to Berjaya Tioman for diving and romantic holiday. (4hrs) Fly/Drive to Kuala Trengganu, transfer to Merang pier and off to Redang for wonderful days in paradise. You can stay in Berjaya Redang, or the other hotel opposite Redang, Lang Tengah, Crystal clear water, white powdery sandy beaches and colourful fishes swing among the beauitful corals. Do a search in Yahoo, and you will find more than the above choices. If you need further info, do contact me. Good luck Provis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hey guess what, that’s my BF’s hometown!! ))) hmmmm thought tinggi is famous only for its waterfall?? why don’t you try Sebana Resort in Kota Tinggi, Johor, Malaysia heard they have good marina (calm water), 18 hole golf course, apartments, hotel rooms, facilities, etc…

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I was on koh Phi Phi in ‘94, and it was way overtouristed then.  It’s only going to be 6 years worse now. In ‘89 a friend and I needed to find an island fairly close to Bangkok (limited travel time) and went to Koh Si Chang, which was great in the sense that we saw no other white people while there–it seems to be a cross between people who live there and Thais who go for vacation.  If you want something a little less over-westernized, you might try that one. Then agian, that was 10 years ago…. -Doug Magnoli – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It sure is tourisy, and the food isn’t very fantastic. I won’t say its over-built … but it’s definitely on the way to being commercialised. The westerners there look like they’ve been there for so long they have already assimilated the laid-back kampong culture of the island. Anyway, if you really insist on going to Koh Samui, u shd at least go there with a touch of class. The Chaweng Regent is quite good. My stay there was pretty enjoyable. Nice pools, nice beaches and the gym was pretty well equipped. The rooms are pretty well equipped too. However, after watching The Beach, my next pit-stop will be Phi Phi Island. I will plonk myself in the lagoon and yell: I WILL NOT DIE TODAY!!!! GODDAMMIT!!!! at a baby shark. — Cheesy Poofs "Who has a habit now of saying GODDAMMIT!!!!" we had orginally targeted the southern islands like krabi and koh phi phi, but it seems that the monsoon season hits that area from May to October…..whereas for the islands in the gulf, the monsoon is from october to december…not that this really matters, coz there’s been thunderstorms almost daily in koh samui…. phi phi island sounds wonderful, though it’s on its way to another phuket…..if you read the latest news, everyone who has watched the beach, and fallen in love with the place have zoomed in there….last heard that it has become a tourist zoo ) looks like you’d have to find your own little cliff somewhere else ))

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karl, you gotta know.. to some people, having a low paid but honest job is a disgrace… they’d rather be involved in some kinda corrupt bullshit and be a parasitic leech on the people… Excuse me, what kind of professions can you recomend to that people ? Bankrobber, drugdealer, killer…. ? Karl Ah   sorry you must be a gas-fitter! No, but what would be wrong if so ? Karl

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Has anyone stayed at Tradewinds on Chaweng Beach, Koh Samui?  Is it a recommended place? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2 years ago I stayed at the Coral Bay Resort with my family. It is a very nice resort. The food is superb and so is the service. The beach is however too shallow. But if you are satisfied with a swim in the pool the place is a very good choice. We are returning in June-July and will then stay at the High Coral Cove (900 bht/night). Their bungalows are not as fancy as the Coral Bay Resort but they have a fantastic little beach with corals. And the view from the restaurant over the Chaweng beach is stunning. Have a nice trip!! Agnes skrev: hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice? any tips on other resorts would be greatly appreciated too.  Thanks!! Chaweng Beach: Chaweng Villa Beach Resort 1,900 Baht/nite The Victorial Resort and Hotel 2,000 Baht/nite Coral Bay Resort 2,000 Baht/nite Lamai Beach: Aloha Resort 1,672 baht/nite Royal Blue Lagoon 1,940 baht/nite Jungle Park Resort 2,050 baht/nite

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I’ve stayed at Chaweng Beach Resort (not sure if it’s the same as Chawend Beach Villa Resort). Paid additional for a room with sea-view – truth is, the block is facing the sea, but not my unit! Later, I found out only 1 unit faces the sea. Felt a little cheated. But Koh Samui is a nice, charming little island, with lots of very friendly people. You’ll enjoy it. Have fun!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice? any tips on other resorts would be greatly appreciated too.  Thanks!! Chaweng Beach: Chaweng Villa Beach Resort 1,900 Baht/nite The Victorial Resort and Hotel 2,000 Baht/nite Coral Bay Resort 2,000 Baht/nite Lamai Beach: Aloha Resort 1,672 baht/nite Royal Blue Lagoon 1,940 baht/nite Jungle Park Resort 2,050 baht/nite

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Excuse me, what kind of professions can you recomend to that people ? Bankrobber, drugdealer, killer…. ? Karl Ah   sorry you must be a gas-fitter!

No, but what would be wrong if so ? Karl

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much better than phuket… at least you do not get accosted by the people trying to get you into their bars… nice beaches…. laidback as all heck… kinda nice place to go do nothing… yup, i’ve heard that samui is on its way to being a little too commercialised, but i didnt realise it was that bad….from what i read and heard, it seems that samui is much better when compared to phuket and pattaya….i guess that’s the prob with tourism, when some place becomes popular with good reason, it soon loses its charm……

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Excuse me, what kind of professions can you recomend to that people ? Bankrobber, drugdealer, killer…. ? Karl

Ah   sorry you must be a gas-fitter!

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  I spent two nights at High Coral Cove in March and then moved out.  The bathroom flooded while showering as the floor was sloped away from the drain, two of the lamps in the room didn’t work, lots of mosquitoes in the evening when sitting on the balcony, and the path lighting wasn’t very good at night. But as you said, good view and good snorkeling.   Not on my recommmended list.        Brewster – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -We are returning in June-July and will then stay at the High Coral Cove (900 bht/night). Their bungalows are not as fancy as the Coral Bay Resort but they have a fantastic little beach with corals. And the view from the restaurant over the Chaweng beach is stunning.

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hey guess what, that’s my BF’s hometown!! ))) hmmmm thought tinggi is famous only for its waterfall?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – why don’t you try Sebana Resort in Kota Tinggi, Johor, Malaysia heard they have good marina (calm water), 18 hole golf course, apartments, hotel rooms, facilities, etc…

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I read somewhere on the koh samet net (i think) that the prob with malaria has been cleared up, though the other "harmless" mosquitoes are still in full abundance – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – take care, Ko Samet is beautiful and has easy connection with BKK, but when I was there back in 93 I did resist just one night due to the incredible number of mosquitos ( which are of the malaria type…). It’s a pity because the place is fantastic. I dunno if the situation has changed and they solved the mosquito problem, try to get updated info through the Thorn Tree on lonelyplanet.com. joaquim

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2 years ago I stayed at the Coral Bay Resort with my family. It is a very nice resort. The food is superb and so is the service. The beach is however too shallow. But if you are satisfied with a swim in the pool the place is a very good choice. We are returning in June-July and will then stay at the High Coral Cove (900 bht/night). Their bungalows are not as fancy as the Coral Bay Resort but they have a fantastic little beach with corals. And the view from the restaurant over the Chaweng beach is stunning. Have a nice trip!! Agnes skrev: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice? any tips on other resorts would be greatly appreciated too.  Thanks!! Chaweng Beach: Chaweng Villa Beach Resort 1,900 Baht/nite The Victorial Resort and Hotel 2,000 Baht/nite Coral Bay Resort 2,000 Baht/nite Lamai Beach: Aloha Resort 1,672 baht/nite Royal Blue Lagoon 1,940 baht/nite Jungle Park Resort 2,050 baht/nite

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I was at Koh Samet at Vong Duen Beach on 9 & 10 March 2000. I was there before in october 1999. Then I had a beuatifull time. Now, there are a lot of new restaurants. But don’t go to the hotel-resort Sea Horse Bungelow. It was very, very bad now. A very poor maintenance and expensive for what you get. John joaquim schreef: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  koh samet and koh chang….we finally decided on koh samet, which few tourists venture out to to, and it’s really really great for hanging out and bumming around….. take care, Ko Samet is beautiful and has easy connection with BKK, but when I was there back in 93 I did resist just one night due to the incredible number of mosquitos ( which are of the malaria type…). It’s a pity because the place is fantastic. I dunno if the situation has changed and they solved the mosquito problem, try to get updated info through the Thorn Tree on lonelyplanet.com. joaquim

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take care, Ko Samet is beautiful and has easy connection with BKK, but when I was there back in 93 I did resist just one night due to the incredible number of mosquitos ( which are of the malaria type…). It’s a pity because the place is fantastic. I dunno if the situation has changed and they solved the mosquito problem, try to get updated info through the Thorn Tree on lonelyplanet.com. joaquim

I was there in August 1999 and there were not more mosquitos than in other places. Probably the situation has improved since 1993. — Alfred Molon To reply replace NOSPAM with csi

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I realise that the trip has been put on hold. I would like to say though that Koh Samui is an idyllic islands, and I do not see how any one can be disappointed with it. It has everything restaurants, top hotels, bungalows, amazing beaches, great night life etc. etc. http://www.asiatraveltips.com this will give you a wonderful idea of what it is like. I personally went to Samui January for three weeks and will return whenever I can it is a beautiful place. Please do reconsider Samui as an option. Kindest regards Steven * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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phi phi island sounds wonderful, though it’s on its way to another phuket…..if you read the latest news, everyone who has watched the beach, and fallen in love with the place have zoomed in there….last heard that it has become a tourist zoo ) looks like you’d have to find your own little cliff somewhere else ))

I was in Ko Phi Phi in 1992, and it was already overcrowded…figure out now, after The Beach!!! The problem with Phi Phi is that is really tiny and you can tour it walking in one hour so it gets a tourist zoo very easily. There are some beatiful and unspoilt islands near Phuket,  in the Phang-nga bay: their names are Ko Yao Yai and Ko Yao Noi, southernmost Ko Lanta is a good place. joaquim

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home. Crawling with hookers. There are much better parts of thailand such as Hua Hin, Trang,  even phuket if you choose the correct place yup, i’ve heard that samui is on its way to being a little too commercialised, but i didnt realise it was that bad….from what i read and heard, it seems that samui is much better when compared to phuket and pattaya….i guess that’s the prob with tourism, when some place becomes popular with good reason, it soon loses its charm…… hua hin and trang sounded pretty good, but we’re more interested in isolated beaches cut off from the mainland, more in the likes of koh samet or koh chang….

why don’t you try Sebana Resort in Kota Tinggi, Johor, Malaysia heard they have good marina (calm water), 18 hole golf course, apartments, hotel rooms, facilities, etc…

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THE BOMOH wrote : Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home.

Excuse me, what kind of professions can you recomend to that people ? Bankrobber, drugdealer, killer…. ? Karl

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 koh samet and koh chang….we finally decided on koh samet, which few tourists venture out to to, and it’s really really great for hanging out and bumming around…..

take care, Ko Samet is beautiful and has easy connection with BKK, but when I was there back in 93 I did resist just one night due to the incredible number of mosquitos ( which are of the malaria type…). It’s a pity because the place is fantastic. I dunno if the situation has changed and they solved the mosquito problem, try to get updated info through the Thorn Tree on lonelyplanet.com. joaquim

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hiya, i’d like to thank everyone who has posted or emailed their suggestions and comments to me…all your advice was of great help after hearing some negative reviews, we sort of re-considered whether to go to samui….we’re looking for a great place to hang out, with not too many tourists, and it’s disappointing to find out that samui is almost similar to phuket and pattaya…furthermore, samui is really accessible with a direct flight from singapore….. we then considered other islands like koh tao and koh phang-nan (too inaccesible), koh phi phi and koh lanta (bad weather then), koh samet and koh chang….we finally decided on koh samet, which few tourists venture out to, and it’s really really great for hanging out and bumming around….. but then we checked the dates, and darn!!! our plans were messed up again….seems that 5 may is a public holiday, and it falls nicely on fri….that means that it’s gonna be a zoo everywhere during that weekend!!! it was with great sadness that we concluded we won’t be going to thailand this may sorry all!! but all the info is still useful, coz some of our other friends might be going, so we’d forward them all the info….thank you one and all!!! btw, the story has not been concluded yet ) we’d be checking out the malaysian islands instead ) no public holidays during that time, and it’s not yet full-blown tourist season yet, so should be great….we’d be posting another request for help should it be needed )) cheers, and have a great holiday !!!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It sure is tourisy, and the food isn’t very fantastic. I won’t say its over-built … but it’s definitely on the way to being commercialised. The westerners there look like they’ve been there for so long they have already assimilated the laid-back kampong culture of the island. Anyway, if you really insist on going to Koh Samui, u shd at least go there with a touch of class. The Chaweng Regent is quite good. My stay there was pretty enjoyable. Nice pools, nice beaches and the gym was pretty well equipped. The rooms are pretty well equipped too. However, after watching The Beach, my next pit-stop will be Phi Phi Island. I will plonk myself in the lagoon and yell: I WILL NOT DIE TODAY!!!! GODDAMMIT!!!! at a baby shark. — Cheesy Poofs "Who has a habit now of saying GODDAMMIT!!!!"

we had orginally targeted the southern islands like krabi and koh phi phi, but it seems that the monsoon season hits that area from May to October…..whereas for the islands in the gulf, the monsoon is from october to december…not that this really matters, coz there’s been thunderstorms almost daily in koh samui…. phi phi island sounds wonderful, though it’s on its way to another phuket…..if you read the latest news, everyone who has watched the beach, and fallen in love with the place have zoomed in there….last heard that it has become a tourist zoo ) looks like you’d have to find your own little cliff somewhere else ))

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Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home. Crawling with hookers. There are much better parts of thailand such as Hua Hin, Trang,  even phuket if you choose the correct place

yup, i’ve heard that samui is on its way to being a little too commercialised, but i didnt realise it was that bad….from what i read and heard, it seems that samui is much better when compared to phuket and pattaya….i guess that’s the prob with tourism, when some place becomes popular with good reason, it soon loses its charm…… hua hin and trang sounded pretty good, but we’re more interested in isolated beaches cut off from the mainland, more in the likes of koh samet or koh chang….

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hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice?

Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home. Crawling with hookers. There are much better parts of thailand such as Hua Hin, Trang,  even phuket if you choose the correct place.

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Ko Samui is most disappointing. Over-built,  touristy,  Thai food no good,  too many unwashed Western hippies who are normally clerks and gas-fitters when they go back home. Crawling with hookers. There are much better parts of thailand such as Hua Hin, Trang,  even phuket if you choose the correct place.

It sure is tourisy, and the food isn’t very fantastic. I won’t say its over-built … but it’s definitely on the way to being commercialised. The westerners there look like they’ve been there for so long they have already assimilated the laid-back kampong culture of the island. Anyway, if you really insist on going to Koh Samui, u shd at least go there with a touch of class. The Chaweng Regent is quite good. My stay there was pretty enjoyable. Nice pools, nice beaches and the gym was pretty well equipped. The rooms are pretty well equipped too. However, after watching The Beach, my next pit-stop will be Phi Phi Island. I will plonk myself in the lagoon and yell: I WILL NOT DIE TODAY!!!! GODDAMMIT!!!! at a baby shark. — Cheesy Poofs "Who has a habit now of saying GODDAMMIT!!!!"

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hiya, i’m planning a trip to koh samui with my BF from 5-10 May.  I’ve been scouting around for some good resorts that don’t cost too much, and yet have nice facilities…we’re basically looking forward to a peaceful vacation of bumming around the beach and the pool, with lots of sun and sea.  we’re cut down the choices to six, but can’t exactly decide which to go for….has anyone stayed at these hotels, and which of them would be the best choice? any tips on other resorts would be greatly appreciated too.  Thanks!! Chaweng Beach: Chaweng Villa Beach Resort 1,900 Baht/nite The Victorial Resort and Hotel 2,000 Baht/nite Coral Bay Resort 2,000 Baht/nite Lamai Beach: Aloha Resort 1,672 baht/nite Royal Blue Lagoon 1,940 baht/nite Jungle Park Resort 2,050 baht/nite

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My wife has indicated she may purchase a pair of these waders for me as a Christmas gift. Orvis dealer up here has them on sale for nearly 50% off. Reading bulletin board at a flyfishing site, seems most ppl prefer Simms model. Anybody out there have an opinion on this? Does anybody have a pair of the Orvis NoSweats that could speak of the merits and detractions of this set of waders? Evidently Orvis is bringing out a new set of models which why they are clearing them, is it worth waiting for and perhaps paying alot more money for? Thanks for your opinions.

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I bought a pair of no-sweats last year.  They were very lightweight and comfortable.  They were also baggy and a funny color.  The first time I walked thru a blackberry bush they were full of tiny holes I couldn’t patch. I returned them to the flyshop which allowed me to "trade up" to the Simms waders.  They are twice as heavy and ten times tougher.  So far (knock on wood), no leaks.  I beat the heck out of the waders and they are holding up well.  Despite the Gore Tex claims, they you do sweat and you get damp – just a matter of how much dampness you can put up with. The feet are neoprene and after all day my feet are invariably damp – this part of the waders definitely doesn’t breathe. For someone like me who hikes a lot and beats the brush I need tough waders.  If you don’t venture near blackberry bushes or wild roses, or slide across logs – go with the Orvis.  The price won’t matter when you’re chest deep in a cold spring creek (that happended to me in Pennsylvania last year – got wet and froze to death in the Orvis product). Hope this helps.

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I’ve got a pair of Orvis breathable waders and I have nothing but good things to say about them.  I fished in them all summer, including brush wacking, log climbing and boulder jumping/sliding.  No holes, no leaks, minimum sweat.  Good poduct. Chris Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife has indicated she may purchase a pair of these waders for me as a Christmas gift. Orvis dealer up here has them on sale for nearly 50% off. Reading bulletin board at a flyfishing site, seems most ppl prefer Simms model. Anybody out there have an opinion on this? Does anybody have a pair of the Orvis NoSweats that could speak of the merits and detractions of this set of waders? Evidently Orvis is bringing out a new set of models which why they are clearing them, is it worth waiting for and perhaps paying alot more money for? Thanks for your opinions.

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My wife has indicated she may purchase a pair of these waders for me as a Christmas gift. Orvis dealer up here has them on sale for nearly 50% off. Reading bulletin board at a flyfishing site, seems most ppl prefer Simms model. Anybody out there have an opinion on this? Does anybody have a pair of the Orvis NoSweats that could speak of the merits and detractions of this set of waders? Evidently Orvis is bringing out a new set of models which why they are clearing them, is it worth waiting for and perhaps paying alot more money for? Thanks for your opinions.

Remember that Orvis guarantees their waders on a depreciation-type arrangement for 4 years…If you get a hole in the first year, full replacement, 2nd year, Orvis pays 75%, and so on… My pair leaked after a year and I got fed-exed a new pair no questions asked… Does Simms similarly back their product? — Chris Schmelzer, MS-2 Medical College of Wisconsin Milwaukee, WI 53208

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I absolutely love mine! Ira Clair

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ColinMckeown: <<Does anybody have a pair of the Orvis NoSweats that could speak of the merits and detractions of this set of waders? Two years ago, on a trip to Labrador, I discovered Orvis’ breathables; the guides wore them.  On my trip this year, the same guides were wearing the same waders.   Last year I returned a set of neoprenes to Orvis saying I bought the wrong waders — I should have bought the "no-sweats.  No sweat. Orvis made the exchange and I have been extremely happy with them ever since.  I ride a mountain bike about 2 miles one-way to my favorite fishing hole and wear the waders all day.  They really are "no sweat".  I recently fell and put a tear in them.  They patched easily and when I returned to Boston, brought them back to Orvis and was given a new pair, *no questions asked*.  I doubt most other manufacturers would have a policy like that!   Dave LaCourse

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<Does anybody have a pair of the Orvis NoSweats that could speak of the merits and detractions of this set of waders?

I really like my Orvis no-sweat waders.  I prefer the newer green color to my teal colored ones, but I have no reason to buy another pair.  Any waders will make you sweat some in warm weather.  I like the lightweight style (over neoprene) because it is comfortable in warmer weather or you can layer it for cold weather.  Simms makes a great product too.  Just more expensive.

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My wife has indicated she may purchase a pair of these waders for me as a Christmas gift. Orvis dealer up here has them on sale for nearly 50% off. Reading bulletin board at a flyfishing site, seems most ppl prefer Simms model. Anybody out there have an opinion on this? Does anybody have a pair of the Orvis NoSweats that could speak of the merits and detractions of this set of waders? Evidently Orvis is bringing out a new set of models which why they are clearing them, is it worth waiting for and perhaps paying alot more money for? Thanks for your opinions.

Hi All, There is a big ‘breathable’ war on and you will be the winners. Prices will be coming down a lot this next season. Simms is the ‘top banana’, but Patagonia is going to try to give them some real competition this next season. Orvis has some good values with their 4 year sliding warranty system. Lots of other companies are in the middle of the pack, but the competition is very powerful. Breathable waders are the biggest thing to hit fishing sense graphite. In a few years there won’t be any other choices, just like graphite rods. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I’ve had my Orvis NoSweat waders for over 3 years. they have been to 10 different states, up and down steep banks, even the Salmon river in December steelheading.  I am always dry sweat wise but in the last year they developed tiny, tiny  leaks that eventually got worse. I think it was the stitch holes in the knee pads.  I would fish all day and have a wet spot on my knee about the size of a grapefruit that eventually grew.  I took them back to Orvis after nearly 4 years and they gave me a new pair on the spot.  I love them, and would highly reccommend them.  One caveat though.  I burned a hole in mine with a spitting ember from a campfire.  It was instant.  I patched the hole on the inside with a piece of duct tape, and it held for several years.  Cant say enough about them.  they are no sweat indeed. Jerry Schrader Schrader Photo speciallzing in weddings for over 30 years. http://www.weddingphoto-ma.com

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How are they in the cold months of the year? Do you just layer? or what?

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Have not had them long enough to find out.  Ask me in February after the steelhead have come in. Chris Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How are they in the cold months of the year? Do you just layer? or what?

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You can just wear your long underwear underneath them, there,s plenty of room in mine.  Very comfortable in cold weather.  Don’t walk through snow with your felts wet however, it makes big balls of ice on your feet.   Jerry Schrader Schrader Photo speciallzing in weddings for over 30 years. http://www.weddingphoto-ma.com

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Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? Peter

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Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? Peter

The only problem I had was with a barbed wire fence that was half buried. I just wanted to get them repaired, but Orvis replaced them. Otherwise, I have had about 2 years in two pairs, and have had no problems. The only thing I have to figure out is how to get the mud off of them. jim — Jim Jacoby Mt. Horeb, WI To send a reply, remove "-take_this_out-" from the address.

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Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? Peter

No.  But you said the magic word * Orvis *.  If you have *any* problem with them, even not liking them, Orvis will replace them.  I wore a pair of 3mm neoprenes for over a month of fishing in Maine and Labrador.  I should have bought the breathables and told my Orvis dealer about it.  He said to bring the neoprenes back and I could trade ‘em for breathables.  Neat!!!!  I’ve had no problems with them, but if I do, well Orvis is only about twenty minutes away. :0) Dave LaCourse

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I just purchased a pair of the breathable waders this past Christmas and have hd no problems with them yet.  I am hoping they will hold up pretty good Matt Rheams

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Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables?

the shop who sells it has problems: these waders are so affordable he’s not selling any of the expensive ones! =^) i’ve been using it for about 1.5 years now and it’s great. No punctures or leaks. Very comfy, but that’s with all breathables i guess. My idea was why pay 300+ bucks when you can get 2 of these, spreaded over many many years (if one wears out, just get a new one). Go get it! unless you don’t like the blue color.

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writes: *SNIP* Go get it! unless you don’t like the blue color.

For 1998 you can also get them in green.                       Good Fishing,                             Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? i’ve been using it for about 1.5 years now and it’s great. No punctures or leaks. Very comfy, but that’s with all breathables i guess. My idea was why pay 300+ bucks when you can get 2 of these, spreaded over many many years (if one wears out, just get a new one). Go get it! unless you don’t like the blue color.

Except now they come in much better green color. I just bought mine a few weeks ago, and I may never wear my neoprenes again! I’m sure  I will in the winter, but I fished a week ago in about 40 degree weather in cold, tailwater water (not sure about exact water temp), and all I wore under mine was one layer of Patagonia Expedition Weight Capilene underwear. I stayed bone dry (even after hiking 1.5 mi., mostly on gravel — ugh), and I stayed surprisingly warm. I waited until they had been out for a year or so to get some, and I wish I had bought some of the first ones (though I really do prefer the new green color — much more natural-looking). SWJ

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Go get it! unless you don’t like the blue color. For 1998 you can also get them in green.  

oh no…. why not just plain tan?…

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Anyone having problems with their Orvis Clearwater breathables? Peter

Thanks for all your comments.  I’ve been very cautious about breathables as the local store has had a bad time with another brand. I’ve just contacted a local Orvis store about getting a set.  The green ones, SWJ.  Thanks for the heads up on the colour. Peter

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My sister in law is getting married. She lives in France. I’ve got to go. Cause that’s the only way they’re going to get me there! Ari Ari Bert                                        Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903                             +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230                             Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                       Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za                                Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

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There is plenty of flyfishing in France Ari. It is quite complicated getting a licence etc.   A web search will turn up plenty of info. TL MC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My sister in law is getting married. She lives in France. I’ve got to go. Cause that’s the only way they’re going to get me there! Ari

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My sister in law is getting married. She lives in France.

great fishing, great fishermen. Whereabouts in France~? Tony — Tony Knox remove the bit about not spamming

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The French have a long tradition in flyfishing. The possibilities for (sea)trout depend largely on the region you’re going to, and when in case of seatrout. Be prepared for _very_, _very_ (and I’m holding back here), _very_ spooky trout. The mentioned long tradition combined with the fine French cuisine have made the bigger trout (i.e. edible size) quite hard to find. Even if you find them it will be hard to get withing casting range. The best chances are late in the evening or very early in the morning, there is no sense at all in fishing during daytime. Getting a license (permis de peche) is not so hard, although it must sound strange for Americans who are used to buy a license for an entire state. Lucky basterds. France is devided in regions, and each region sells license for their waters. Very often regions cooperate by allowing acces on certain waters for license holders for other regions, but check this carefully. Furthermore, the waters are divided in two categories, 1st and (duh) 2nd. From the top of my head 1st category (premier categorie in French) is potential(!) trout water, 2nd category anything else, like big rivers, lakes etcetera. When you buy a license, you’ll need the ‘trout stamp’ which allows you to fish the 1st category waters. Every fishing shop sells them, and if you can’t find any ask in a local ‘Tabac’. Since the French are just as avid smokers as they are fishermen they’ll most certainly be able to tell you where to buy one, or even sell you one right away. I’ve bought licenses in the most unexpected places. According to http://perso.libertysurf.fr/CANTON/ouverture/pech4.htm a holiday license (three weeks license, available from the 1st of June to 30th of Septembre) will set you back FF 150, which is about 25 USD. Outside that time slot you depend on the availability of day/week tickets, but you’ll have to figure that out with the local chaps. Don’t go out without one – you’ll have an expensive holiday if you get caught. Some tips: 1. Speaking French helps a lot. 2. Speaking French helps a lot. 3. ‘Reserve de peche’ signs in a river don’t mean reserved for fishermen. It means fish reserve – NO FISHING!! Certain areas of most rivers, mostly over a length of a hundred to a few hundred meters are kept void of fishermen in order to keep some fish in the river. You wonder where those big trout are? <g 4. Have a great time. France is a nice country outside the big cities. People are friendly, and there is some great food & wine and scenery to be enjoyed. Salut, Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My sister in law is getting married. She lives in France. I’ve got to go. Cause that’s the only way they’re going to get me there! Ari Ari Bert                                        Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903                             +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230                             Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                       Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za                          Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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Hi Ari,   I live and fish in France and YES there is good flyfishing here.  When and where are you going? I live in the eastern part (near Geneva, Switzerland) and there are plenty of trout streams within two hours drive. However, the other regions also have good trout streams and lakes.  If you tell me where you are going I can help you to get some info. Cheers, Peter. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My sister in law is getting married. She lives in France. I’ve got to go. Cause that’s the only way they’re going to get me there! Ari

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I will be in southern France (Bordeaux) in late September/early October. Does anyone have information on freshwater flyfishing in southern France or NOrthern Spain (Pyrenees mtns)? Thanks in advance. Alan Hanson

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I will be in southern France (Bordeaux) in late September/early October. Does anyone have information on freshwater flyfishing in southern France or NOrthern Spain (Pyrenees mtns)? Thanks in advance. Alan Hanson

Hello, I’m french even If I don’t know this area pretty well, there are very fine spot to fly fish trout in this area of france the number of the "departements" (it s french versions of states) are 64 "pyrenes atlantiques" 65 "hautes pyrennees" 66 "pyrennes orientales". You ‘ll find streams named the "nives" exemple: nive de baiguorri, etc plus they are moutain lakes stocked with browns, brooks, and even cristivomers. You may try to contact the "ministere du tourisme" in paris and ask for the "relais St Pierre" It’s a directory of french hotels everywhere in france who have special accomadation for fishermen. Hope this helps regards Gh P.s at the moment you are coming ( September/early October ) the fish will probably be closed for trouts, so be sure to check that first, if it’s not recontact me later my fishing partner is gone with the river directory of france ( a book with all the rivers listed and quoted regarding how they are stocked). —                          http://www.cortosys.fr                               Paris FRANCE                              01-46-38-06-93     "I have also seen children successfully surmounting the effects of     "an evil inheritance. That is due to purity being an inherent     "attribute of the soul."                                                      [Mahatma Gandhi]

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For your free brochure featuring the funniest in t-shirts,  E-mail the shirtguy for info.  Guaranteed to help you look better catching that whopper!!  Good Fishing.

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For your free brochure featuring the funniest in t-shirts,  E-mail the shirtguy for info.  Guaranteed to help you look better catching that whopper!!  Good Fishing.

This is not posted by the intelekchualy advanced, flyfishing supremo, humorous South African Bruce which you have all come to know and admire. (I realy crack myself up sometimes). I would never attempt to sell t-shirts via roff. Hell hath no fury as a flyfisherman spammed. Cheers Bruce….

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I will be going to Kenya on business  next month,  for about 3 weeks. I understand fly fishing is great there. Does anyone know what fish and what patterns are popular there? For  that matter, does anyone know what AREAS and RIVERS? Thanks in advance. Mike

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I will be going to Kenya on business  next month,  for about 3 weeks. I understand fly fishing is great there. Does anyone know what fish and what patterns are popular there? For  that matter, does anyone know what AREAS and RIVERS?

Aberdare Highlands (formerly "white highlands") north and west of Nairobi.  Be warned (by Canadian papers) law and order may have vanished in some parts of Kenya these days. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Careful of the lower Owens right now running 700 CFS (alot of water) They are trying to move as much water through as they can before the snowpack runoff begins. Lower owens can be tough wading evenat lower water levels. Pete

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Be sure to take you knee pads for the Owens.  Sneaking up on those fish takes a lot of patience or a curved rod for shooting from behind a bush. Many FinShakes Ray Chapa San Antonio, Tx — Ray Chapa

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try big tejunga creek just outside la crescenta, between the resevoir and upstrem to the bridge – access is a long walk down a fire break off big tejunga canyon rd, park a half mile downstream of the bridge – wild bows in spectacular canyon.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Path: news.teleport.com!psgrain!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.net com.com!netnews Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Netcom Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-lb1-04.ix.netcom.com Can anbody sugest where I should flyfish in  So. Calif. for a weekend? There are several ares, West Fork of the San Gabreal, Bear Creek and the best is Lower Owens outside of Bishop this time of the year.  You also have the Pacific at your door step.  If you need more info on the Bishop area let me know.  Joe

I caught the flyfishing bug on the Lower Owens right outside of Bishop.  For me the key was that I used the most incredible guide I’ve ever had the privilage to fish with (to this day I’ve never even heard stories about anyone that fishes as well as he does).   My 1st day ever fishing with a fly rod (& probably the 10th time of any kind of fishing in my life) I landed 25 wild brown trout – if I could have been quicker to strike (as on his first "strike" call, instead of the 2nd or 3rd…) it would have been more.  I was gut hooked in the worst (best) way…   Harry Blackburn Eastside Guide Service Mammoth Lakes, CA 619/934-6457 Tell him Ant sent you…  He also knows about all the best places to fish in the Mammoth/Bishop area, the variety is incredible.

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Can anbody sugest where I should flyfish in  So. Calif. for a weekend?

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Can anbody sugest where I should flyfish in  So. Calif. for a weekend?

There are several ares, West Fork of the San Gabreal, Bear Creek and the best is Lower Owens outside of Bishop this time of the year.  You also have the Pacific at your door step.  If you need more info on the Bishop area let me know.  Joe

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So if I were going to the Owens in May for hanggliding, should I plan on some fishing also? Old Montana Flyfisherman.

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So if I were going to the Owens in May for hanggliding, should I plan on some fishing also? Old Montana Flyfisherman.

Yes, but fishing from hanggliders is restricted to the 2 miles immediately below Pleasant Valley Dam, and any fish caught from a hangglider must be released to the water where they were taken.   There is talk that this section of the river will be made hanggliders only in the near future.

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