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I went in midaugust.  Pretty slow.  Lost one fish and two missed strikes in 2.5 days of fishing.  A friend caught 4 fish in 3 days, and a guy who was a bigtime flyfishing bum and former snake river guide had three. check with doaks for latest. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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I fished it once for a week in early October. Caught one small fish. My guide told me that his favorite time was the first two weeks of July. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com   Robert,   Have a look at the angling reports on Doak’s website,   http://www.wwdoak.com/open.htm   A bit of salemanship in some of the wording, but the reports and pictures very probably accurate.   Regards,   Yuji Sakuma     Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New     Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go     this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going.     —     Regards,     Robert E. "Bob" Buckley     Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

Friend sof mine are on th eMiramichi this week. You can find up to date information at http://www.salmonanglersonline.com/index.html Enjoy Tom. — Thomas Hackmann "Live simply, so that others may simply live." To reply delete XPLEASENOSPAMX from email address.

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Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going.: This may be a late reply, but I fish the Little Southwest and Northwest Miramichi rivers every weekend.  They have been OK.  The LSW has generally been better.  The Main Southwest by all accounts is full of fish right now.   The water is low, and with a bit of rain the fishing should be great for the last two weeks. JB

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Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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Robert, Have a look at the angling reports on Doak’s website, http://www.wwdoak.com/open.htm A bit of salemanship in some of the wording, but the reports and pictures very probably accurate. Regards, Yuji Sakuma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Terry, I would have to disagree with you that an "Average" flyfisherman/woman couldn’t benefit with a cane rod. I have taken beginning fly fishers and taught them how to cast on my 5 wt. G-Loomis and after an hour of fishing had them cast my 4 wt. bamboo (made by Peter McVey of Corbit Lake, BC). In almost all cases the new caster was able to cast easier and could find the "Sweet Spot" where the rod will almost cast by itself (Something I have never felt in any of the graphite rods I have cast).  Will these people purchase a bamboo rod later in their fishing lives? I don’t know. I do know that my wife will probably end up with one sooner or later (Of course she ends up using mine all the time anyway!). Don’t get me wrong, I love my 7′ 3wt Lamiglass graphite II rod. I also love my RPLXi 9′ 8wt Sage and my G-Loomis Premiere 9′ 5wt rods. But none of them have that "Sweet Spot" that just puts the line out there with so little effort and such precision as bamboo does. Until you have felt that you will continue to use these wonderfully overpriced graphite rods. Gary Johnson For the average angler I would have to say that Sage is more or less right. Most of your average flyfisherman are not particularly good casters and a cane rod would be wasted on them. Fly presentation and cosmetics are what makes cane fun. Cane cannot compete with composites for pure performance for the I have been away from ROFF for too long!  Things like work, kids, and the business kept getting in the way.  I have missed out on too much at ROFF though! For the cane rodbuilders in the group, thought you might be interested in an article I wrote about a recent Sage video.. take a look at the article and the video and let me know what you think! http://flyfishing.about.com/library/weekly/aa072000a.htm I would love to know Mr. Gherke’s comments too! Ian Scott http://flyfishing.about.com/

_____  Well said Gary. — George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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The no-questions-asked return policy *must* account for a good chunk of that.  And of course, advertising costs.  See www.dorber.com for their ideas on the matter (they will not accept a return if you abused the rod (car door), but will accept tradeins for prorated value (based on condition).  I believe Bruce H bought one of these rods. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sage is just an example. I don’t want to stir up an old discussion about price/quality comparisons (NO I DON’T!), but for me 490 USD is still a ridiculous price for a rod. YMMV, of course. Herman Especially for a mass produced rod. The high end graphite rod prices are way out of line for what you get. Willi

– Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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Most definately a learner will benefit from a slower action rod that they can ‘feel’ more easily, but there are more economical ways of achieving that than using bamboo, surely? steve

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Bamboo is an outdated, anchronistic material. If you like the look and feel, fine, but for pure performance it just doesn’t have it.

I absolutely agree. In fact, bamboo rods remind me of Apple notebooks. Underpowered but extremely cache. –Steve

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Most definately a learner will benefit from a slower action rod that they can ‘feel’ more easily, but there are more economical ways of achieving that than using bamboo, surely?

There sure are. Find an old (like 15 years) Walton Powell graphite rod. Bamboo is an outdated, anchronistic material. If you like the look and feel, fine, but for pure performance it just doesn’t have it. Personally, I prefer faster rods for 90% of my fishing, even when I’m throwing weight. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Terry, I would have to disagree with you that an "Average" flyfisherman/woman couldn’t benefit with a cane rod. I have taken beginning fly fishers and taught them how to cast on my 5 wt. G-Loomis and after an hour of fishing had them cast my 4 wt. bamboo (made by Peter McVey of Corbit Lake, BC). In almost all cases the new caster was able to cast easier and could find the "Sweet Spot" where the rod will almost cast by itself (Something I have never felt in any of the graphite rods I have cast).  Will these people purchase a bamboo rod later in their fishing lives? I don’t know. I do know that my wife will probably end up with one sooner or later (Of course she ends up using mine all the time anyway!). Don’t get me wrong, I love my 7′ 3wt Lamiglass graphite II rod. I also love my RPLXi 9′ 8wt Sage and my G-Loomis Premiere 9′ 5wt rods. But none of them have that "Sweet Spot" that just puts the line out there with so little effort and such precision as bamboo does. Until you have felt that you will continue to use these wonderfully overpriced graphite rods. Gary Johnson

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For the average angler I would have to say that Sage is more or less right. Most of your average flyfisherman are not particularly good casters and a cane rod would be wasted on them. Fly presentation and cosmetics are what makes cane fun. Cane cannot compete with composites for pure performance for the I have been away from ROFF for too long!  Things like work, kids, and the business kept getting in the way.  I have missed out on too much at ROFF though! For the cane rodbuilders in the group, thought you might be interested in an article I wrote about a recent Sage video.. take a look at the article and the video and let me know what you think! http://flyfishing.about.com/library/weekly/aa072000a.htm I would love to know Mr. Gherke’s comments too! Ian Scott http://flyfishing.about.com/

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Sage is just an example. I don’t want to stir up an old discussion about price/quality comparisons (NO I DON’T!), but for me 490 USD is still a ridiculous price for a rod. YMMV, of course. Herman

Especially for a mass produced rod. The high end graphite rod prices are way out of line for what you get. Willi

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I will be hitting the Grand again, but I also want to head off in search of some bass too.  I know a few small hidden places not far from where I used to live near Grand Valley.. might give those a shot. We really should see if we can find a day we are both available, soon!

fer sure.  In fact, Grand Valley is where my son and I will be exploring tomorrow. I’ll probably post the usual trip report. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I picked up a tube of your wax actually, a few weeks ago.  I like it, George.  My son, who is 12 years old, just got into fly tying in a HUGE way, and wants to trade me his little disk of wax for my Gehrke’s tube.  I can’t believe you have a 12 year old fan! <grin I read your stint with interest and I do have a few constructive comments to offer, but at this time I decline for the reason above. I’ll let you know when the links go back up..

Email me your son’s mailing address please, Ian. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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I watched the video. It was interesting to see the process of building a rod. I do think they are a bit disingenious slamming bamboo rods. Until this year I would have probably said, oh yeah, see what I mean about bamboo. I recently got an old shakespeare bamboo off ebay that astonished me by casting a good 70 feet of line in the backyard, missing a guide and all the others are rusty as hell (I just couldn’t resist casting it before rendering it down to re-wrap). My sage 5wt doesn’t perform that well for me, nor does the 7wt. Maybe I was meant to have a bamboo all along. I do agree that bamboo rods are about tradition, they are a thing of beauty, each has it’s own feel, speed and special grace that a production graphite rod, just doesn’t capture. But for the masses graphite is still a good buy. Flyfish

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______  Well Ion, the name is Gehrke, please and I see you are aware of our art work but you fail to list us as a manufacturer of fine Bamboo Fly Rods? I read your stint with interest and I do have a few constructive comments to offer, but at this time I decline for the reason above.  

The link is there now, George.  If you have a better page to link to, please let me know.   Thanks.  Would love to see your comments, either here or at the message board on the site! Ian

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For the average angler I would have to say that Sage is more or less right. Most of your average flyfisherman are not particularly good casters and a cane rod would be wasted on them. Fly presentation and cosmetics are what makes cane fun. Cane cannot compete with composites for pure performance for the   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have been away from ROFF for too long!  Things like work, kids, and the business kept getting in the way.  I have missed out on too much at ROFF though! For the cane rodbuilders in the group, thought you might be interested in an article I wrote about a recent Sage video.. take a look at the article and the video and let me know what you think! http://flyfishing.about.com/library/weekly/aa072000a.htm I would love to know Mr. Gherke’s comments too! Ian Scott http://flyfishing.about.com/

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For the average angler Sage is waaay out of their league… pricewise. For the average angler a decent rod that just does what it’s supposed to do is more than enough. Ok, at least for me it is.. Herman For the average angler I would have to say that Sage is more or less right. Most of your average flyfisherman are not particularly good casters and a cane rod would be wasted on them. Fly presentation and cosmetics are what makes cane fun. Cane cannot compete with composites for pure performance for the

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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For the average angler Sage is waaay out of their league… pricewise. …

For the average angler across the pond Sage is ridiculously expensive, but here in North America they’re right in line with the other high end rods. The John Norris of Penrith catalogue lists a Sage 690XP at 441 pounds sterling or about $660 US on a good day, the same rod sells here in the states for $490 US. — Ken Fortenberry

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Sage is just an example. I don’t want to stir up an old discussion about price/quality comparisons (NO I DON’T!), but for me 490 USD is still a ridiculous price for a rod. YMMV, of course. Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For the average angler Sage is waaay out of their league… pricewise. … For the average angler across the pond Sage is ridiculously expensive, but here in North America they’re right in line with the other high end rods. The John Norris of Penrith catalogue lists a Sage 690XP at 441 pounds sterling or about $660 US on a good day, the same rod sells here in the states for $490 US. — Ken Fortenberry

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Terry,    I don’t understand why a cane rod is wasted on the "average fly fisherman" more than any other fine rod would be.  Today there are more expensive rods being "wasted" on mediocre casters because they have money and want the very best.  Expensive rods don’t make good casters, only practice can do that. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For the average angler I would have to say that Sage is more or less right. Most of your average flyfisherman are not particularly good casters and a cane rod would be wasted on them. Fly presentation and cosmetics are what makes cane fun. Cane cannot compete with composites for pure performance for the I have been away from ROFF for too long!  Things like work, kids, and the business kept getting in the way.  I have missed out on too much at ROFF though! For the cane rodbuilders in the group, thought you might be interested in an article I wrote about a recent Sage video.. take a look at the article and the video and let me know what you think! http://flyfishing.about.com/library/weekly/aa072000a.htm I would love to know Mr. Gherke’s comments too! Ian Scott http://flyfishing.about.com/

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I think that Sage is basically right, for pure performance in the hands of the average flyfisherman composites cannot be beat. Cane is about presentation and tradition and would be wasted on many of the foul mouthed cowboys on this list that flyfish because it is trendy Making cane rods affordable for all flyfishermen is a sterling idea but the thought of one particular guy (his reply to the not sorry posting) with an almost hand made cane rod  giving it some verbal because he cannot lay out the whole line is amusing. Terry     – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have been away from ROFF for too long!  Things like work, kids, and the business kept getting in the way.  I have missed out on too much at ROFF though! For the cane rodbuilders in the group, thought you might be interested in an article I wrote about a recent Sage video.. take a look at the article and the video and let me know what you think! http://flyfishing.about.com/library/weekly/aa072000a.htm I would love to know Mr. Gherke’s comments too! Ian Scott http://flyfishing.about.com/

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______  Well Ion, the name is Gehrke, please and I see you are aware of our art work but you fail to list us as a manufacturer of fine Bamboo Fly Rods?

Well, hot spit!  I was sure I had Gehrke in my spell checker!! Sorry about the typo, Mr. G.  :) I have you listed at the bottom of the article in question, under ‘Related Links’.  I used to have you listed when you had all that information on the Bastard Rod Company, but then the links seemed to go dead and I couldn’t figure out where you put the pages.  Goes to show you about these rod makers and wax producers when they design their websites and re-design them..   I picked up a tube of your wax actually, a few weeks ago.  I like it, George.  My son, who is 12 years old, just got into fly tying in a HUGE way, and wants to trade me his little disk of wax for my Gehrke’s tube.  I can’t believe you have a 12 year old fan! <grin I read your stint with interest and I do have a few constructive comments to offer, but at this time I decline for the reason above.  

I’ll let you know when the links go back up..

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Wondered where you ran off to.

Been using your mini browns and Larry Medina’s turkey tail nymphs on the Grand.  I should take my camera more often.  The problem is, I never catch anything when I have the camera worth photographing.  When I don’t have it, I have lots of tales to tell, but no evidence! I tried this video URL and the thing will download but not run.  First it had me download a MS viewer then RealPlayer beta 8 and the damn thing still just sits.  I’m running IE 5.5 with all mod cons and the Sage Video page is full of broken GIFs – great site – NOT!

Hm.  Not sure what to say to help you out on that. Anyway, I’ll read the article without the video and post my appropriately rude comments.

I will look forward to them   Have you been out much yourself on the Grand lately?  Or anyplace else for that matter?  I am on Vacation for 3 weeks, and thinking about some spots to take my sons fishing with me.  The eldest (12 year old) is right into flyfishing.. the other two are still a little more comfortable with worms and such right now.

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Typical – after a couple of reboots and playing with the video settings, I finally have a working video. This was fascinating for me as though I’ve seen snippets of graphite rod making, I’ve never seen the whole enchilada. I can’t figure out why Gerry is going on about cane rods.  It’s not like they’re some major competion for him (or does the resurgence have him worried?)  Of course cane is heavier but some of the tapers being used now along with good lines, can produce amazing performance.   Ted Knott let me cast a brand new 9 wt. 3 pce. 8′ 6" cane he had designed. Though heavier, it had tremedous power and I’d have no qualms about spending a day on the water with it.   Gerry’s barking up the wrong tree. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Been using your mini browns and Larry Medina’s turkey tail nymphs on the Grand.  I should take my camera more often.  The problem is, I never catch anything when I have the camera worth photographing.  When I don’t have it, I have lots of tales to tell, but no evidence!

The Grand has been running off colour a lot of late – best conditions for the mini. – Always the way.  Leave the camera in the truck and Mr. Monster Brown obliges. Hm.  Not sure what to say to help you out on that. Anyway, I’ll read the article without the video and post my appropriately rude comments.

Got it working. I will look forward to them   Have you been out much yourself on the Grand lately?  Or anyplace else for that matter?  I am on Vacation for 3 weeks, and thinking about some spots to take my sons fishing with me.  The eldest (12 year old) is right into flyfishing.. the other two are still a little more comfortable with worms and such right now.

I’m starting a one week vacation right now but much of it will be taken up by my MA thesis.  Last week, we tried the Glen Morris area (look back a week for the Scott, Greg and Peter Show post) but nothing but tiddlers.  My son and his friend just got back from the Grand, Cedar Run – one brown for him and 5 for Adam.  Good luck with the kids, I’m just introducing my 21 year old daughter to the game.  She was a real hot angler before puberty (worms mostly) but you know what happens when they hit their teens – boys, clothes, music, makeup, etc. etc.  Bronte Creek in Lowville Park is a great place to take a budding fly fisher, – willing baby steelies and lots of easy water and plenty of room.  Duffins Creek at the east end is about the same.  Have fun and let me know if you can get out for a serious day on the Grand. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Good luck with the kids, I’m just introducing my 21 year old daughter to the game.  She was a real hot angler before puberty (worms mostly) but you know what happens when they hit their teens – boys, clothes, music, makeup, etc. etc.  Bronte Creek in Lowville Park is a great place to take a budding fly fisher, – willing baby steelies and lots of easy water and plenty of room.  Duffins Creek at the east end is about the same.  Have fun and let me know if you can get out for a serious day on the Grand.

21 is too young for me.  Now that my divorce is just about through, I have to keep my eyes out for a fly fishin’ woman, a little older though probably.  And, yes looks DO count! With respect to the Duffins, that is exactly where my eldest had his introduction to flyfishing, this spring!  It was awesome – he caught two little browns on his first day out with a fly!  I was really proud of him, especially after he said he didn’t care much for worm fishing anymore .  I wrote an article about that trip, if you’re interested. Alex was pretty impressed! http://flyfishing.about.com/library/weekly/aa052800a.htm We spent some time on Oshawa Creek first, just to let Alex get the hang of it.  Actually, I had him do a bit of casting before we even got down to the stream, but he picked it up really quick!  Kids are probably easier to teach in some ways than adults. I will be hitting the Grand again, but I also want to head off in search of some bass too.  I know a few small hidden places not far from where I used to live near Grand Valley.. might give those a shot. We really should see if we can find a day we are both available, soon! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I have been away from ROFF for too long!  Things like work, kids, and the business kept getting in the way.  I have missed out on too much at ROFF though! For the cane rodbuilders in the group, thought you might be interested in an article I wrote about a recent Sage video.. take a look at the article and the video and let me know what you think! http://flyfishing.about.com/library/weekly/aa072000a.htm I would love to know Mr. Gherke’s comments too! Ian Scott http://flyfishing.about.com/

Wondered where you ran off to. I tried this video URL and the thing will download but not run.  First it had me download a MS viewer then RealPlayer beta 8 and the damn thing still just sits.  I’m running IE 5.5 with all mod cons and the Sage Video page is full of broken GIFs – great site – NOT! Anyway, I’ll read the article without the video and post my appropriately rude comments. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I have been away from ROFF for too long!  Things like work, kids, and the business kept getting in the way.  I have missed out on too much at ROFF though! For the cane rodbuilders in the group, thought you might be interested in an article I wrote about a recent Sage video.. take a look at the article and the video and let me know what you think! http://flyfishing.about.com/library/weekly/aa072000a.htm I would love to know Mr. Gherke’s comments too! Ian Scott http://flyfishing.about.com/

______  Well Ion, the name is Gehrke, please and I see you are aware of our art work but you fail to list us as a manufacturer of fine Bamboo Fly Rods? I read your stint with interest and I do have a few constructive comments to offer, but at this time I decline for the reason above.   Take care friend, — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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I have been away from ROFF for too long!  Things like work, kids, and the business kept getting in the way.  I have missed out on too much at ROFF though! For the cane rodbuilders in the group, thought you might be interested in an article I wrote about a recent Sage video.. take a look at the article and the video and let me know what you think! http://flyfishing.about.com/library/weekly/aa072000a.htm I would love to know Mr. Gherke’s comments too! Ian Scott http://flyfishing.about.com/

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Wayne Hart: Well Joe, you could cruise down here Thursday evening, we’ll leave Fredericksburg Friday morning and have you back this far by the next Wednesday evening.  You won’t need much luggage.  I suspect you’ll hold the rod all the way down and you can sleep on the floor of Clave Central curled up in a little ball around that rod!!  (nobody’ll notice you don’t change underwear anyway). —

Hey, wait a minute!  You’re giving away MY floor space.  If he changes his underwear (underware sometimes at moments like this) at least daily, and helps me with breakfast, *then* he can sleep on the couch at clave central.  But he has to cover himself because some of the YLs from the Pixie might come by with Dave LaCourse

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Hmm…..think I’ll be doin my own cookin over there in the campground…..Ken, you and Wolfgang like stir fry? fahitas? kraut and

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wayne Hart: Well Joe, you could cruise down here Thursday evening, we’ll leave Fredericksburg Friday morning and have you back this far by the next Wednesday evening.  You won’t need much luggage.  I suspect you’ll hold the rod all the way down and you can sleep on the floor of Clave Central curled up in a little ball around that rod!!  (nobody’ll notice you don’t change underwear anyway). — Hey, wait a minute!  You’re giving away MY floor space.  If he changes his underwear (underware sometimes at moments like this) at least daily, and helps me with breakfast, *then* he can sleep on the couch at clave central.  But he has to cover himself because some of the YLs from the Pixie might come by with Dave LaCourse

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Hmm…..think I’ll be doin my own cookin over there in the campground…..Ken, you and Wolfgang like stir fry? fahitas? kraut and

Can’t speak for Wolfgang, we haven’t discussed menus yet. Given my druthers, I’m a vegetarian, but I’m not inflexible on a fishin’ trip. When "car camping" I tend to eat a lot of pasta and fresh veggies from the local grocery store. The local grocery stores in and around Linville, NC are WAY beyond adequate. There’s a bunch of really, really, RICH folk livin’ in that area. I saw an ‘86 Lafite-Rothschild in the grocery store ! No kiddin’. I have a fairly well equipped "camp kitchen", no reason we can’t have a communal kitchen. Let’s plan on it. — Ken Fortenberry

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Heck Joe, I bet there are a lot of guys at the clave that will change underwear with you.  Especially if they got the drizzles after drinking all night and had an accident. Ernie  Well Joe, you could cruise down here Thursday evening, we’ll leave  Fredericksburg Friday morning and have you back this far by the next  Wednesday evening.  You won’t need much luggage.  I suspect you’ll hold the  rod all the way down and you can sleep on the floor of Clave Central curled up in a little ball around that rod!!  (nobody’ll notice you don’t

change  underwear anyway).

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Heck Joe, I bet there are a lot of guys at the clave that will change underwear with you.  Especially if they got the drizzles after drinking all night and had an accident.

The geezers at clave central at past claves just threw their shorts in a pile when they went to bed and then rooted through for the cleanest pair when they got up. Last one up generally got the ones LaPlac wore the day before<g. — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmm…..think I’ll be doin my own cookin over there in the campground…..Ken, you and Wolfgang like stir fry? fahitas? kraut and Can’t speak for Wolfgang, we haven’t discussed menus yet. Given my druthers, I’m a vegetarian, but I’m not inflexible on a fishin’ trip. When "car camping" I tend to eat a lot of pasta and fresh veggies from the local grocery store. The local grocery stores in and around Linville, NC are WAY beyond adequate. There’s a bunch of really, really, RICH folk livin’ in that area. I saw an ‘86 Lafite-Rothschild in the grocery store ! No kiddin’. I have a fairly well equipped "camp kitchen", no reason we can’t have a communal kitchen. Let’s plan on it. — Ken Fortenberry

Depends John.  Taken individually, all of the above meet with my hearty approval, but if you’re talking about a single meal we gotta talk. With a well stocked grocery store nearby there’s no reason we shouldn’t eat like kings.  Not exactly a Cordon Bleu chef myself but I do all the cooking at home and CAN throw together a passable meal or two.  Now all we gotta do is find a way to keep the slavering hordes from clave central from invading us at meal times.    

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Wolfgan dreams: Now all we gotta do is find a way to keep the slavering hordes from clave central from invading us at meal times.    

Are you kidding?  With Tom’s smoked turkey and smoked ham, IJ’s spaghetti, my tacos, Jeffy’s eggs, we will probably have to put a sentry at the door.   Dave LaCourse

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Kinda of like when you support Timbo’s C&K drivel in roff and then practice C&R on fishing trips? Can you say hypocrite?

Why do you always arrive on the scene like a pickled egg and beer fart. Can you say BMP? Peter

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Why do you always arrive on the scene like a pickled egg and beer fart.

alot….you just caused an olfactory flashback of the most malodorous kind.

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I’m really looking forward to giving away its virginity asap.

I recently learned a new word for this – handsel – first use, inauguration… Read in "A Man May Fish" by TC Kingsmill Moore (an Irish Judge). — Nogood Boyo

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A few weeks ago, I was to be the lucky random recipient of a new rod from Mike C.   Despite my initial euphoria, I soon reasoned that it was a gift for which I was unworthy; and I did, in a difficult fit of altruism, decline accepting with a suggestion that the Clave raffle would be a more fitting destination for the prize.   That much is true. But now I’m coming clean on the rest.   I just can’t have everybody thinking what a great guy I am without giving due acknowledgement to Mike.   As a personal gift, he sent me a rod anyway. It came yesterday, and it’s a 3-pc., 4 wt. beauty.   Naturally, I put a reel on it as soon as I got it out of the tube.   (I’d bought a new J. Ryall in anticipation.)   Yeah, with difficulty (for me) I could throw it for distance, even in the 15 kt wind last night, but so what.   On realistic distances, it cast like a dream.   I’m really looking forward to giving away its virginity asap.   Dave L. has already described the three he received for the Clave raffles, and I won’t add much to that except to say that the winners of those three will be truly fortunate ffers. I gave Mike a few parameters on my wants, needs, and habits, and let him surprise me.   He delivered with what may be the perfect rod for me.   It’s a better rod than I could afford to buy, and the friendship it represents gives it worth beyond measure.   Thanks, Mike. Joe F.

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My pleasure Joe. I don’t think "unworthy" even enters into it, quite the reverse.  Hope the first one is a big one ! TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Joe Fleishman writes: It came yesterday, and it’s a 3-pc., 4 wt. beauty.   Naturally, I put a reel on it as soon as I got it out of the tube.   (I’d bought a new J. Ryall in anticipation.)   Yeah, with difficulty (for me) I could throw it for distance, even in the 15 kt wind last night, but so what.   On realistic distances, it cast like a dream.   I’m really looking forward to giving away its virginity asap.   Dave L. has already described the three he received for the Clave raffles, and I won’t add much to that except to say that the winners of those three will be truly fortunate ffers. I gave Mike a few parameters on my wants, needs, and habits, and let him surprise me.   He delivered with what may be the perfect rod for me.   It’s a better rod than I could afford to buy, and the friendship it represents gives it worth beyond measure.   Thanks, Mike. Joe F.

<BG  I’m happy for ya, Joe.  But even happier for Mike for doing it.  The friendship it represents is priceless.  Mike, you’re too much!!!! Now, Joe, what’s it gonna take to get you to the clave next month?  Day Tripper and I can pick you up on the way down.  Of course with him in the front seat, you in the back, and me driving, we would fit the cop’s profile of ne’r-do-wells.   Go fishin’! Dave LaCourse

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Now, Joe, what’s it gonna take to get you to the clave next month?  Day Tripper and I can pick you up on the way down.  Of course with him in the front seat, you in the back, and me driving, we would fit the cop’s profile of ne’r-do-wells.  

Kidnapped geezer? <g — Charlie…

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M.C. , your an ACE man. Tight lines, Bob Smith * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Now, Joe, what’s it gonna take to get you to the clave next month?  Day Tripper and I can pick you up on the way down.  Of course with him in the front seat, you in the back, and me driving, we would fit the cop’s profile of ne’r-do-wells. Kidnapped geezer? <g

Speaking of which, I’m trying to figure out how much money this whole clave thing is going to cost me.  What is the recommended standard bail allotment?

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Speaking of which, I’m trying to figure out how much money this whole clave thing is going to cost me.  What is the recommended standard bail allotment?

Wayno should know the going rate schedule. The clave orientation tour includes visits to the local emergency room and drunk tank so you won’t feel disoriented should you wake up in one or the other<g. — Charlie…

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A few weeks ago, I was to be the lucky random recipient of a new rod from Mike C.   Despite my initial euphoria, I soon reasoned that it was a gift for which I was unworthy; and I did, in a difficult fit of altruism, decline accepting with a suggestion that the Clave raffle would be a more fitting destination for the prize.   That much is true.

Joe, whatever you do, don’t break that rod in the door of your car. Wouldn’t that just be one of life’s little ironies? After all, MC doesn’t believe in warranties! You are the man, Mike. I’m glad to see that something measurably good has come from the killfile project. –Steve

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Joe, whatever you do, don’t break that rod in the door of your car. Wouldn’t that just be one of life’s little ironies? After all, MC doesn’t believe in warranties!

Don’t even THINK that!    If you jinx me, I’m comin’ out there after you. Joe F.

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Wolfgang: Speaking of which, I’m trying to figure out how much money this whole clave thing is going to cost me.  What is the recommended standard bail allotment?

Six hundred bucks.  Bring 800.  And if PJ is there, 1000. Dave LaCourse

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Six hundred bucks.  Bring 800.  

He can get by on a lot less if he stays away from the livestock. — Charlie…

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Six hundred bucks.  Bring 800. He can get by on a lot less if he stays away from the livestock. — Charlie…

have you ever known a wolf to stay away from livestock? bring 1200…. waldo

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Now, Joe, what’s it gonna take to get you to the clave next month?  Day Tripper and I can pick you up on the way down.  Of course with him in the front seat, you in the back, and me driving, we would fit the cop’s profile of ne’r-do-wells.   Kidnapped geezer? <g

LOL! Love it Charlie – but more likely it’ll be Joe holding up the "HELP US!" sign in the rear window… /daytripper (Crash Test Dummy #1)

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Well Joe, you could cruise down here Thursday evening, we’ll leave Fredericksburg Friday morning and have you back this far by the next Wednesday evening.  You won’t need much luggage.  I suspect you’ll hold the rod all the way down and you can sleep on the floor of Clave Central curled up in a little ball around that rod!!  (nobody’ll notice you don’t change underwear anyway). — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Joe Fleishman writes: <BG  I’m happy for ya, Joe.  But even happier for Mike for doing it.  The friendship it represents is priceless.  Mike, you’re too much!!!! Now, Joe, what’s it gonna take to get you to the clave next month?  Day Tripper and I can pick you up on the way down.  Of course with him in the front seat, you in the back, and me driving, we would fit the cop’s profile of ne’r-do-wells. Go fishin’! Dave LaCourse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Six hundred bucks.  Bring 800. He can get by on a lot less if he stays away from the livestock. — Charlie… have you ever known a wolf to stay away from livestock? bring 1200…. waldo

It’s not so much the individual figures that bother me as it is the escalation.  Get out of jail cards have doubled in just four hours! With twenty some days to go I hesitate to even speculate on where this will go.   Um……we’re kinda partial to Holsteins up here….I don’t suppose…..nah, fergit it.

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SSSHHHHHHH  Why tel anyone SSSSHHHHHHHHHHH. Nobody knows but us…

DSR is a big place on a bigger river.   I think our secret is safe. Apparently only about a hundred thousand guys know it, judging by last weekend’s crowd outside DSR. And don’t get me started on the cultural differences between the few fly fishers there and the lead-chucking majority. Joe F.

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(photos to follow, including one in my roff shirt)

Okey dokey, if you’re interested, the photos are up at alt.binaries.pictures.fishing.   The subject headings are just variations of my screen name: rb608-1, rb608-2, and rb608-3.   The roff shirt is in -1, but it’s unfortunately less than obvious.   -3 is a big salmon with the rod, and -2 is the standard guy-with-a-fish photo. Joe F.

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I live in Manhattan, and don’t have a car.  I want to take the train to Kensico Resevoir.  Does anyone know where I can fish this resevoir from the bank? Also, do you know other places I can fly Fish via public transportaion? Thanks, Randy Kadish

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I live in Manhattan, and don’t have a car.  I want to take the train to Kensico Resevoir.  Does anyone know where I can fish this resevoir from the bank? Also, do you know other places I can fly Fish via public transportaion? Thanks, Randy Kadish

Randy – I have absolutely no idea, but I am very interested in seeing any replies – hope you get some.  Public transportation to flyfishin – real dedication.  What about packing up a float tube to take to the lake?  Might be doable. mark Faulkner

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Don’t know about public tranportation( probably railroad to neareat town and then taxi) However, I believe in addition to your license you’ll need a reservoir permit. They’re available from one of the NYC gov’t offices in Mahattan. You used to need some photos and it was free and good forever. May not be true now. If you can’t find the office(dept of water?) call urban Anler , Capitol tackle oe or Orvis, someone wil have the info They may even know a way to get there with public transit. gerry

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I believe in addition to your license you’ll need a reservoir permit. They’re available from one of the NYC gov’t offices in Mahattan. You used to need some photos and it was free and good forever. May not be true now. gerry

It is not true now. NYC watershed permits no longer require a photo and are good for five years.  As for public transportation to good fly fishing, it is definitely possible. I can think of two prime spots near train stations on Metro North’s Harlem line.

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I can think of the same places along the Metro North Hudson line. Better get Jim Capposella’s book, "Good Fishing Within 50 Miles of New York City" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I live in Manhattan, and don’t have a car.  I want to take the train to Kensico Resevoir.  Does anyone know where I can fish this resevoir from the bank? Also, do you know other places I can fly Fish via public transportaion? Thanks, Randy Kadish

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Kensico, like most of the Croton Watershed reservoirs, is not easily fishable from shore because of steep dropoffs. Also, belly boats and the like are forbidden. In fact, there are a number of restrictions, rules etc. for fishing this water because it’s owned by NYC. You will need a special watershed permit, as well. Having said that, why not consider the connecting streams? The West Branch of the Croton, the Amawalk and, especially, the East Branch of the Croton offer fine fishing easily accessible from Metro-North. The Croton TU chapter published a very fine guide to the area some years ago and some of the local shops still carry it.

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If the Bedford Sportsman in Bedford, NY is still around , they may have those maps. gerry

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Go talk to Edwin Valentin at the Urban Angler in NYC.  Though not so often now, in the past he used to take the Metro North train all the time up to the East Branch of the Croton.  He’d get let off in Brewster, then either hop a cab or walk to the stream.

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i will be near the home of orvis next weekend and don’t have much of a clue. whats a good way to get started ? instructions? or just wing it?   P.S. what flies should I use if i wing it?

Mark, Good questions.  How quickly do you learn? quick….then you can probably just wing it…if not then maybe lessons are not a bad idea.  Most folks benefit from a lesson….reading a book like the LL Bean Fly Fishing Handbook by Whitlock would help. If you are more visually inclined then maybe the Jack Dennis video is better for you. Flies to use now include the elk hair caddis, prince nymphs, white millers, beadhead nymphs, and Adams dries.  This is just the tip of the iceberg so to speak.  I am happy to answer any questions that may arise for you.  Best of luck. James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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i will be near the home of orvis next weekend and don’t have much of a clue. whats a good way to get started ? instructions? or just wing it?    P.S. what flies should I use if i wing it?

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I have been very interested in the "Dropping deer in their tracks" thread, even though I haven’t dropped a standing deer instantly. However, one time I was lucky enough to shoot a muley laying in his bed.   He just lowered his head to the ground at the 250 yd. shot and expired.   Of course, he was completely at rest and unaware of my presence.    Both lungs were penetrated and the top of the heart. I’ve rarely been able to recover a 30.06 bullet from a deer, but the bullet was laying on the ground underneath the juniper chaff on the other side of the deer’s bed.  I was able to find it by following the furrow in the chaff.   I would be very interested to hear of any similar results. Incidently, the 3×5 buck was in full velvet, which is very unusual in Oregon’s rifle season (early October).   Turns out, his scrotum was empty.   Was this technically a "cactus buck" that never would have shed his antlers? Thanks in advance for any responses, Ed in Oregon

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one time I was lucky enough to shoot a muley laying in his bed.   He just lowered his head to the ground at the 250 yd. shot and expired.   Of course, he was completely at rest and unaware of my presence.    Both lungs were penetrated and the top of the heart. I’ve rarely been able to recover a 30.06 bullet from a deer, but the bullet was laying on the ground underneath the juniper chaff on the other side of the deer’s bed.  I was able to find it by following the furrow in the chaff.   I would be very interested to hear of any similar results.

Season before last, I hunted Nevada for mule deer and was able to stalk within 110 yards of a sleeping buck in completely open country. The strong, noisy wind covered any noise I made and kept my scent away from the buck’s bed. This buck had his head on the ground, fast asleep. I’ve never seen this before. Since I had as much time as I wanted to shoot, and there was no escape for the buck if I missed my mark, I shot him in the spine about six inches below the skull and he never moved–until a minute later when he gave one reflexive kick of a hind leg. I recovered the Fail Safe bullet from my 7 Mag in the soil behind the buck. The petals had broken off, but the exit wound was a square hole indicating the petals had broken off in the dirt. The bullet retained 85% of its weight, but it’s nominal diameter was caliber size with the petals off. Most mulies I’ve shot in their bed had their heads up and were awake if not alert. Most tumble or roll then stand and run a bit. These, of course, were shot in the chest. Many more, magically disappear sometime during my stalk. I’ve a good tale of one I shot in his bed (a little too far away) on my CD-ROM that I won’t tell here. Which reminds me…   …I recently swapped one of my CDs for one on fly fishing with a guy who was selling it. I must say I was very disappointed in his product. It had no sound or animation, few graphics, little interactivity, and not as much info as I had hoped, and only ran on Windows–not a good advertisement for CDs in general. But it made me feel good about my effort.  :-) Get the CD-ROM "Tim Calvin’s Hunting the West" Call me to order with VISA/MC, 1-800-215-9045. Price: $59.95 plus $1.24 postage. CA residents must add $4.35 tax.

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I have been very interested in the "Dropping deer in their tracks" thread, even though I haven’t dropped a standing deer instantly.

{snip an interesting story} …   I would be very interested to hear of any similar results.

I was hunting in around Mt Adams, one time, when I noticed fresh tracks entering a laurel thicket.  I circled the thicket (about a 1/2 mile trek) and did not see the tracks leave the thicket.  I followed the tracks into the thicket and found him sound asleep in the center.  He looked so pretty, I sat down and watched him for awhile.  Finally, I reached over my head and broke a branch.  I think that deer turned full around and started running while still in mid-air.  I was laughing so hard I couldn’t have shot him, even if I’d wanted to.  It took me two more days to find a deer willing to go home with me.  ;-) Bob **** Armed and Safe(tm) **** **** www.ivic.net/~ecr  ****

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I will be in Estes July 7 and 8 and expect to have some time to wet a line. I’d appreciate any suggestions on streams to try. I fear the Big Thompson is overcrowded and fished out, and in any event I’d prefer smaller streams, especialy as this trip is a break in this Easterner’s   3 week visit to some of Montana’s bigger rivers. Thanks.   Phil Holt

All of the streams in Colorado are running VERY high.  Your best bet would be lake fishing or perhaps higher in Rocky Mountain National Park.  Check with Estes Anglers (I don’t have the phone handy) for any other spots.  It is going to be a disappointing weekend in Colorado, we have more rain last night and today.  Snow closed Trail Ridge Road (south of Estes Park) last night.  Some of the passes I am used to traversing this time of year are still closed due to snow. Bob McDuffee Network Services Manager, WICHE Office:303.541.0299 Fax:303.541.0291

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You’re in for a real treat! I vacationed in Rocky Mountain Nat’l Park last summer and fished some of the smaller streams there with a guide, Todd, from the Estes Angler.   Todd showed me some secluded spots on the Big Thompson (above the lake, where the stream is anything but big) and Glacier Creek.  I also fished on my own on the North Branch of the St. Vrain River.   The fish aren’t real big, but they sure are beautiful — and fun to catch.   In 3 1/2 days of fishing I managed the "grand slam" — rainbow, brown, brook and cutthroat.   The concern this year, of course, is the runoff situation.  It was the opposite last year when the rivers were running low. If you go, take short, light rods with you.  These aren’t big western rivers; they are small mountain streams.  A lot of time you will be fising with nothing but your fly and leader on the water. Have a great trip!

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Ok, you said you like smaller streams… I fished cow creek when I was in Estes this same time last summer. You have to walk about 1 mile from the parking area, the stream is very small (you can jump across it in places), and it is thick with brush along the banks.  That is, until you get to the beaver ponds!.  They are clear, clear, clear and the little brookies in there are spooky but willing. They are small fish (6-8" so I mean small).  But, I used very light tackle and if I did a reasonable job of not making myself too obvious, they rose willingly to dries.  The ponds are not deep, and you can site many fish to cast to. Stealth, delicate casting, and fish! Anyway, if that is the type of fishing you like, check out cow creek.  

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I will be in Estes July 7 and 8 and expect to have some time to wet a line. I’d appreciate any suggestions on streams to try. I fear the Big Thompson is overcrowded and fished out, and in any event I’d prefer smaller streams, especialy as this trip is a break in this Easterner’s   3 week visit to some of Montana’s bigger rivers. Thanks.   Phil Holt

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   My girlfriend (an elementary school teacher) just showed me a wonderful childrens’ book.  It’s called         A River Dream, by Allen Say.    In the book, a little boy in bed at home receives a gift from his uncle: a flybox.  When he opens the flybox, a bunch of live mayflies fly out and disappear out his bedroom window.  He looks out the window, and where once was an ordinary street scene he sees a beautiful mountain stream with a boat.    The little boy gets in the boat and heads downstream, where he encounters his uncle out flyfishing.  The uncle (who practices catch and release, by the way) teaches the little boy to fish, which of course results in the little boy catching a lunker of a rainbow.    The book (as with all Allen Say books) is beautifully illustrated, and the story is well-written.  I highly recommend it for adults and your kids alike!          - Scott —         Scott Wilkinson         Montgomery County, Maryland

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:    My girlfriend (an elementary school teacher) just showed me a : wonderful childrens’ book.  It’s called :       A River Dream, by Allen Say. : the story is well-written.  I highly recommend it for adults and your kids alike! Could you provide the publisher’s name and an ISBN? — Newfoundland and Labrador Science  and Technology Advisory Council                Tel     (709) 738-3400 114 Empire Ave., St. John’s, NF    A1B 1C7      Fax     (709) 738-3276

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I was just talking to someone else about these little buggers.  In my local the most popular pattern is the bastardized Wooley B, the Egg Sucking Leach.  Outside of it’s outstanding name, and the fact no one has ever seen a leach with an egg in it’s maw, it has caught on and works fabulously for salmon, big char and rainbows in sizes 8 to 2 tied on streamer hooks.  During a long winter of giving tying classes and tying too many flys, I tied one on a 96840 #12.  It looked so good I tied a coulple of dozen before all the ice was off the first lake I was wondering why I never though to do it before.  Give this a try.

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The strangest pattern I’ve seen imitated pellet fish food.  Great on stocked streams on opening day. -Bob

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 . . . I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand.

        Actually, I prefer Nibblets…                 T O D D . . .

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When I was a kid,my fishing buddy inherited his grandfather’s fly rods and flies.  In one of the fly boxes were 4 quarter inch long eigth inch dowels tied on a #12.  They were labelled as opening day and post stocking "flies".  Apparently they looked just like the hatchery pellets the stockies were fed.  Maybe that’s what the cigarette butts look like too. Crashjibe

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 . . . I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand.         Actually, I prefer Nibblets…                 T O D D . . .

Nibblets seems to be the favorite on the Clinch in TN too! (what an exciting topic of conversation  :*D)   A sunny day,      a box of midges,         and a wandering stream…   Man, this MUST be heaven!   <    Steve Kulpa    <<

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The most insane pattern I’ve come accross is a cigarette butt imitation.  A friend of mine tied one after occasionally comming accross them in trout stomachs.  I’m not sure if trout take this as a caddis case or whether they are nicotine junkies, but i’ve seen him catch a few fish on it too.   Cheers Olaf

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I need to go fishing! I think I am going out of my mind. I have been tying flys for the past month now, but I think I started to early with it. Tying is starting to make things worse because now I want to go out and use them. I live in CA and river trout season doesn’t start until the saturday before may. Also there has been a lot of snow in the mountains here and it isn’t going to clear up for a long time. Does anyone know how to overcome the insanity? Because of all the time I have had tying I played around with some different patterens and I invented my own. It is a cross between a stonefly Nymph and a damselfly Nymph. It is tyed on a size 8 hook with black thread and has a gold bead head. Tail: bunch of black hackle tips. Body: olive dubing. Rib: thin red copper wire. Thorax: bronze peacock herls tyed larger than the bead. Hackle: before the peacock put three or four turns of black cock hackle behind the bead. Trim the hackle so they point down, then tie in the peacock. I call this pattern the bead head green thing. I had no particular bug in mind when I tyed it but I think it might work. Please give me some input on it. If you can go fishing now, tie one up and give it a try, then  tell me how it worked. TimFLYFISH P.S. If you have any Patterns of your own I would like to give them a try.

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regarding insane patterns. Iwas in a fly shop in Asheville, NC called Hunter Banks one day last year shooting the breeze, and the subject of ridiculous patterns came up. The owner, with a twinkle in his eye, pulled out his latest pattern: The Corn Fly. It is tied with yellow poly and looks just like a kernal of Libby’s finest. Back in the blue ridge mountains, even on well known FF only waters, I occasionally come across an empty corn can left along the banks. It is apparently one of the rednecks’ favorite baits.  Libby’s brand is the standard. I’ve never seen any other brand. The fly, incidentally, was tied as a joke. They don’t sell them.  People think egg flies, san juan worms, etc are flies, so what the hell, its not much of a stretch, I guess. Dale Owens

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