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I find that after about six dozen fish that they chew about half the head off the fly. I would like it to be durable enough to last for a full morning’s fishing.

That’s easy, go up to Dodge City and fish with Wayne Knight – the fly will last a year or more<g. — Charlie…

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Willi wonders: Does any one here fish these patterns? I have tied a handful up, primarily the green(summer season) and orange(later evening) colors to see if they had special attractive characteristics for the stated periods of use. I can’t say that I fished them with top confidence, as I share your suspicion of general color theories. Anyway, they caught some fish, but didn’t knock my socks off.                               Tom Littleton

The waters he fished them on are pretty large turbulent waters. I don’t know what the exact area is like where he tested them but it is a large river. There areas of my local waters where I was going to try them are the deeper runs and the pocket water stretches. I’ll try to fish them with SOME confidence. Last fall I was in central/western Wyoming and had a couple days to fish. I stopped in a shop for some information. Since it was fall, the shop owner hadn’t had much business and seemed glad to have someone to talk to. We talked about quite a few things and he gave me some information that, I felt he wouldn’t normally give. It being fall in the Rockies, hatches were limited to sporadic caddis and BWO’s in about a size 20. The olives, he said, brought up the good fish. I asked him what he used and he showed me a large stimulator type fly that was very bright and flashy. The fly was tied on a number 14 stimulator hook which translated into a fly about the size of a normal size 10. I looked at him with some skepticism but bought a couple and went out. The section of river he sent me to carried alot of water even during the low flows typical in the Fall. The area was a series of deep strong runs, filled with large boulders.  I caught a few fish in the morning, then about 11 o’clock the Olives started popping up. I saw occasional rises and switched to a typical Olive imitation tied in a size eighteen. I caught a couple of smaller Browns on the current edges and continued to see an occasional surface feeding trout. The fish that were rising seemed to be smaller fish. I switched over to the fly that the shop owner recommended and I caught a number of sizable fish that came up off the bottom is the heavy current. My guess is that the better trout were feeding on the active and emerging nymphs but weren’t willing to come to the surface through the strong current for such a small fly. The larger attractor pattern, made the trip worthwhile. This isn’t a perfect example of his approach but it is the type of situation where a fly having certain exaggerated visual cues might work well. Willi

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Willi wonders: Does any one here fish these patterns?

I have tied a handful up, primarily the green(summer season) and orange(later evening) colors to see if they had special attractive characteristics for the stated periods of use. I can’t say that I fished them with top confidence, as I share your suspicion of general color theories. Anyway, they caught some fish, but didn’t knock my socks off.                               Tom Littleton

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with a series of flies designed by Gary LaFontaine that he calls his Double Wing series.

I have not experimented with the Double Wing series, but I have been using the Airheadfor several years now with great success, but unlike Gary, do not find it very durable. When I use it on the bedding bluegills I find that after about six dozen fish that they chew about half the head off the fly. I would like it to be durable enough to last for a full morning’s fishing. Big Dale

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Willi, Did you every get the email I sent to you (aka "Rusty Hook")?  Anyway, if you didn’t, here it is again: I’ll probably head up to the Yellowstone area for my vacation, preferably during the clave, but it won’t be due to poor fishing conditions around here. I’ll just be ready for something different by August.

Come on by Stanley this summer, Willi, and we’ll fish for wild cutthroats in places so beautiful they’ll make you eyes bleed. I’ll warn you, though. You’ll have to exert yourself to get there. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Each year I come up with a few things that I’m interested in checking out streamside. This year, I’m looking to get a feel for streamer fishing, fishing a "cast" of wets and I’m thinking about experimenting with a series of flies designed by Gary LaFontaine that he calls his Double Wing series. Although I’m not much of a believer of a "right" fly or the importance of color overall, this series of flies is based on studies done by him using underwater divers to record the reactions of trout to certain colors and aspects of flies. The Double Wing series was a result of this study in terms of the "ideal" attractor pattern. He recommends certain color combinations for different light situations. Although Brooks, if I remember right, did some underwater observations, as far as I know, LaFontaine was the only person to study, from an underwater prospective and in a systematic manner, the reactions of trout to a number of variables of a fly’s construction. Does any one here fish these patterns? Any comments? Willi

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Go take a look at the Isuzu Trooper.  A good buddy of mine bought one about a year ago and we use it for both scuba diving and fishing.  He’s in love with it and I think a Trooper will be my next vehicle. At $21,000, it seems to me to be one of the best values for the buck on the market. Standard, it comes with power "everything" AM/FM/Cassette, nice seats, etc. and *so far* it just WILL NOT get stuck.  ’Worth a look for you at least.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its time to bite the bullet and purchase a new vehicle.  My wife and I are discussing what to purchase to replace our aging fleet of rusty junk and decided we wanted the perfect fly fishing vehicle.  It will have to tow a small drift boat (16 1/2 ft long).  Hold two float tubes, be able to get in to moderately difficult destinations via dirt (read mud) roads. With the wealth of experience out their in Roffian land…how about some input?  As the wise African Tribal Chief once said, "Tis better to get the advice of 10 fools than one wise man "  Were could I go to seek better advice than from fellow fly fishing addicts.  By the way, its just my wife and I these days, so a pickup is an acceptable alternative…we have no brand loyalty and no prejudice in place. Our credit union gave us a $25K line for this vehicle… — Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying."  – Woody Allen

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I agree it’s a great rig but 25k won’t get you in the door New anyway Ford F350 diesel crew cab 4×4 w/off-road package. white.

         Harry Mason     www.Troutflies.com               *** "Quality Flies for a Trout’s Eyes"

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Its time to bite the bullet and purchase a new vehicle.  My wife and I are discussing what to purchase to replace our aging fleet of rusty junk and decided we wanted the perfect fly fishing vehicle.  It will have to tow a small drift boat (16 1/2 ft long).  Hold two float tubes, be able to get in to moderately difficult destinations via dirt (read mud) roads.

If it must be a newish truck/SUV, my vote would be to find a gently-used Ford PU (in whatever cab/bed choice you prefer) with the PowerStroke diesel engine.  Even a crew-cab, 1-ton, long bed, 4×4 gets over 20 MPG on the highway, even pulling a loaded cattle/horse trailer.  I’ve seen them with 200k of hard use and still going strong. If you don’t mind older, I’d recommend a late-80’s Jeep Grand Wagoneer.  We have them, and they can’t be beat as a real "off road" "off-the-rack" SUV.  I’ve pulled out stuck Landcruiser/Lexus SUVs, Rovers, PUs, etc.  Another big plus now is the fact it is they have actually become desirable again, and the prices are actually increasing in areas I’m familiar with – buy lower now, and it might actually increase in value.  You can get a damn near perfect low mileage one for well under 10K, even as low as 4-5k.  If you turn your own wrenches, you can work on anything on or in it easily – I can do damn near anything on one with a socket set and a couple of screwdrivers.  If you don’t, just about any halfway competent mechanic can, and without "specialty" tools. The only real drawback is gas mileage – 16-18 MPG or so is about it. If it can be a car, IMO, a Nissan Maxima wins hands-down, no question. We just replaced a 1996 with a 2001, and the only reason we did is because my mother needed a "new" car and we gave her the ‘96.  A friend, who had previously killed Mercedes, 2 pickups, a Volvo, and a BMW got one new in ‘94 and managed 200k on it, which was about equal to 500k for most.  In fact, the only reason he got rid of it was a rock hit the oil pan just right and blocked the pump, resulting in a locked motor.  He was going to replace the motor, but it just didn’t make economic sense. Whatever you choose, enjoy it, and have a Happy New Year! TC, R

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Our credit union gave us a $25K line for this vehicle…

My advice is not to take advice, but since you asked… I suggest a Ford Expediiton. I have a ‘97 4WD that I tow around the Grady w/. If you’re thinking about the 150, it’s essentially the same vehicle, only there’s more inside  it. One nice feature to consider is that w/ a cheap web rod holder system on the headliner, you can carry rigged 9 ft. flyrods inside. It’s a great tow vehicle and general hauler too. Best of luck. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach Behold the Fisherman! He Riseth Up Early in the Morning, and Disturbeth the Whole Household. Mighty are His Preparations. He Goeth Forth Full of Hope. And When the Day is Spent, He Returneth, Smelling of Strong Drink. And the Truth is not with Him!

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Ford F350 diesel crew cab 4×4 w/off-road package. white. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Ford F350 diesel crew cab 4×4 w/off-road package. white.

no, the perfect flyfishing vehicle must be grey <G cb

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Go take a look at the Isuzu Trooper.  A good buddy of mine bought one about a year ago and we use it for both scuba diving and fishing.  He’s in love with it and I think a Trooper will be my next vehicle. At $21,000, it seems to me to be one of the best values for the buck on the market. Standard, it comes with power "everything" AM/FM/Cassette, nice seats, etc. and *so far* it just WILL NOT get stuck.  ’Worth a look for you at least. Plus it rolls over quite nicely when changing lanes at freeway speeds. –Steve

And you can’t drive it across lakes like this convertible vehicle. http://4wd.sofcom.com/Mil/GAZ/46.html All you need to do is add a GPS, fishfinder, and a swivel chair to the bow. You will be the envy of all the bass fishermen.  :) Happy New Year! Dave

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Go take a look at the Isuzu Plus it rolls over quite nicely when changing lanes at freeway speeds. –Steve

Steve,   I think you may be right about the Isuzus.  I travelled to the Gillette, WY airport to work on an airplane over a 2 year period.  They had a car rental (Avis, I think) there and, in this 2 year period, I saw  3 or 4 wrecked Isuzu’s in the lot.  Each one looked like it had been rolled.  There wasn’t a straight piece of sheet metal on the whole rig.   Bob — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I’ve been checkiing out Toyota’s new RAV4.  The rear seats fold up or come right out, the back floor is low and flat

That’s where the sub-woofer goes… <g — Charlie…

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For an extra 5 grand you might even get them to put an Orvis Edition decal on it. Frank Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been checkiing out Toyota’s new RAV4.  The rear seats fold up or come right out, the back floor is low and flat and best of all, you can sit down at the back to put your waders on.  It has a 2 litre four so the gas mileage is good, comes with full time 4X4 and best of all, it’s a Toyota.  $25K should put you into a top of the line model including leather seats, with no trade-in. BTW, got the flies finally.  Thanks for hosting the swap and the nice fly box.  There are some great patterns in this one. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I’ve been checkiing out Toyota’s new RAV4.  The rear seats fold up or come right out, the back floor is low and flat and best of all, you can sit down at the back to put your waders on.  It has a 2 litre four so the gas mileage is good, comes with full time 4X4 and best of all, it’s a Toyota.  $25K should put you into a top of the line model including leather seats, with no trade-in. BTW, got the flies finally.  Thanks for hosting the swap and the nice fly box.  There are some great patterns in this one. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Go take a look at the Isuzu Trooper.  A good buddy of mine bought one about a year ago and we use it for both scuba diving and fishing.  He’s in love with it and I think a Trooper will be my next vehicle. At $21,000, it seems to me to be one of the best values for the buck on the market. Standard, it comes with power "everything" AM/FM/Cassette, nice seats, etc. and *so far* it just WILL NOT get stuck.  ’Worth a look for you at least.

Plus it rolls over quite nicely when changing lanes at freeway speeds. –Steve

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Padishar Creel writes: Our credit union gave us a $25K line for this vehicle…

Pick-up truck.  Think Japanese.  Toyota or Nissan. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Gotta go with Dave on this one…my little Toy riceburner (2WD) is fast approaching 500 thousand miles (we’ll see that before 2001 is out)  My 3rd Toyota, and looking to buy another if this damn thing ever wears out.  Like another poster said, I just turn up the radio so as not to hear the strange noises coming from under the hood. Frank (road warrior) Church

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Padishar Creel writes: Our credit union gave us a $25K line for this vehicle… Pick-up truck.  Think Japanese.  Toyota or Nissan. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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and I these days, so a pickup is an acceptable alternative…we have no brand loyalty and no prejudice in place.

I like my Ford F150. The milage sucks, but anything smaller seems cramped the first time you start a trip with a thousand mile day. Big Dale

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Before the wall between East and West Germany fell, the East Germans had only very limited possibilities with regard to cars. The most widespread model was a "Trabant", a two stroke engine mounted on a steel chassis, and a body of fibre glass. These were not renowned for either their speed or reliability, and were a virtual death-trap in a fire. Their maximum speed varied somewhat according to the ingenuity of the owner, but was usually about 110Kmh. However this may be, an East German visiting west Berlin pushed his broken down Trabant into a garage, and asked the duty mechanic for help.  The mechanic looked under the bonnet, gave the motor a cursory glance, and then shook his head slowly, saying "No chance I

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I just stumbled on to a great new stream a half hour from my cabin. I’m not telling where it is, of course. (If anyone wants to visit the Stanley area I’ll show it to you.) This is a nearly perfect mountain meadow creek — nice slow dry-fly water — which is a change of pace from the fast-flowing freestone rivers that dominate the landscape here. It has a lot of wildlife, too, which I like. As I walked to the creek there were three Swainson’s hawks in the air and I spooked a pair of Sandhill Cranes and a deer. The walking is treacherous because of numerous beaver projects. There wasn’t another soul in sight. The problem is that I didn’t catch any fish. I saw plenty, though. They came in two sizes: tiny and humongous. It was a problem keeping the tiny ones from spoiling the float to the humongous ones. There were many trout holding near the bank that must have been four pounds and up, easy. They rejected every offering. I crawled on my belly to the bank to avoid spooking them (which is ridiculously easy to do on this creek — spooking, I mean), and basically went through my fly boxes. I’d like to think they just weren’t feeding because a big thunderstorm was moving in. I just watched them for awhile and they didn’t look like they were feeding. This creek is now my project. It’s difficult sight fishing for large prey. BTW, on the drive home, over the pass, I saw that it had snowed. Snow on August 4! — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

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I just stumbled on to a great new stream a half hour from my cabin. I’m not telling where it is, of course. (If anyone wants to visit the Stanley area I’ll show it to you.) This is a nearly perfect mountain meadow creek — nice slow dry-fly water — which is a change of pace from the fast-flowing freestone rivers that dominate the landscape here. It has a lot of wildlife, too, which I like. As I walked to the creek there were three Swainson’s hawks in the air and I spooked a pair of Sandhill Cranes and a deer. The walking is treacherous because of numerous beaver projects. There wasn’t another soul in sight. The problem is that I didn’t catch any fish. I saw plenty, though.

Today I figured out how to fish this creek. It was great! It fished real well with #8 hoppers during the heat of the afternoon. I walk along the high banks looking for big fish. They seem to hang out together in groups of about 2 to 4 or so, but you also see single fish. If there are small fish around there are never any big fish. There must be a lot of cannibalism going on. (I’ll have to try some streamers next time.) Once I see them they’ve almost certainly seen me and have spooked, no matter how careful I am. In fact, sometimes I deliberately spook them because they’re holding in an undercut bank where I can’t see them. Then I have to wait five minutes or so, well back from the bank. After they’ve rested I creep to the bank about 40 feet upstream from them and present the fly downstream. These fish don’t seem to be all that selective about flies and this place is very lightly fished (I’ve never seen anyone there), but the water is perfectly clear and smooth and 7x tippets are called for. It seemed to be best when there was a bit of a breeze to make ripples on the surface. I got my three best cutthroats of the season today. The largest was maybe 20". Well, OK, 19". Also saw a Peregrine Falcon real close. — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

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I just stumbled on to a great new stream a half hour from my cabin.

(terrific little narrative snipped) I got my three best cutthroats of the season today. The largest was maybe 20". Well, OK, 19". Also saw a Peregrine Falcon real close. — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

    god, wulffie, what a world you live in.  congratulations. wayno

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Hi,     I’m going to be on vacation next week, I would like to hear any opinions on good spots to trout fish in Michigan. I don’t have a boat, so I need to know spots that I can wade or shore fish. Thanks, Jerry

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Where in Michigan will you be?  There are plenty of streams and lakes to wet your line in. Maurice Paquette – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi,    I’m going to be on vacation next week, I would like to hear any opinions on good spots to trout fish in Michigan. I don’t have a boat, so I need to know spots that I can wade or shore fish. Thanks, Jerry

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ubject: Michigan Flyfishing Spots for Vacation? Hi,    I’m going to be on vacation next week, I would like to hear any opinions on good spots to trout fish in Michigan. I don’t have a boat, so I need to know spots that I can wade or shore fish. Thanks, Jerry

Jerry, If you are on the upper end of the Lower Peninsula, try the Au Sable. I fished it for a couple of summers around 20 years ago in the Stephen’s Bridge area. There was a *great* Trico hatch in mid/late July in the early AM. (We’re talking 16"+ fish on size 24/28 Trico spinners) Later on in the day there was a Slate Wing Olive, (#18), and fish could be caught on terrestrials. Evenings brought the SWO spinner fall, as well as unidentified spinners and some caddis. While I was out there, I was told the Manistee and the Rifle rivers were also good in the summer, but I never fished them.  If the canoe traffic on the main Au Sable is too heavy, (mainly a weekend thing), try the North Branch. Good luck, George Adams

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I live in Lincoln Park, just south of Detroit.  I know I’ll need to do some driving. Jerry

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I just got back from the Manistee River, and you don’t need a boat. Check www.troutbums.com for more info. By the way , I’m just learning fly fishing (don’t care for other kinds) and I caught and released 2 brooks and a brown. If I can do it anyone can. Good luck and enjoy. Monty.

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Try the Au Sable and Manistee as suggested, but also try the Boardman.  It gets very little pressure and has lots of (mostly smaller) fish.  The Boardman is also reported to hold large browns, but night fishing appears to be the key for those. Steve Kling

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Thanks, I think I’ll try the Grayling area first.That will put me near to both the Au Sable and Manistee. Jerry

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I seen a FF trade show listed for Somerset NJ on Jan 22-24. Does anyone have the particulars.  Location and Hours.  Thanks Wes

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I seen a FF trade show listed for Somerset NJ on Jan 22-24. Does anyone have the particulars.  Location and Hours

Hi Wes, The flyfishing show in Somerset, New Jersey is scheduled for January 29, 30 and 31. The promoters have a website at: www.flyfishingshow.com Please check that site to confirm that these dates are correct. Regards, Anthony Ritter www.gonefishing-gs.com

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Tony it’s Rich Johnson, in your response make sure you tell these folks that Lou tabory is at our show at the Nassau Coliseum the same weekend Thanks The Fishing Line radio & TV shows RJ Productions For info on text or advertising call 516-889-6895

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Hi, I’m new to this NG and want to start with flyfishing, Can anyone give me some info on do’s and don’t ? Are there any good sites with info ? Any help would be appreciated Thanks Fred.

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Search dejanews on this ng and you’ll find all kinds of good advice on technique, lots of sometimes conflicting advice on equipment, and some downright weird advice on politics and ethics<g. Have fun and welcome aboard. Hi, I’m new to this NG and want to start with flyfishing, Can anyone give me some info on do’s and don’t ? Are there any good sites with info ? Any help would be appreciated Thanks Fred.

– Charlie…

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threads as we get this question (FAQ) "Frequently Asked Question more then a doze times a year.  However; I’ll give you my version in how it is best answered. 1)  Buy the book "Matching the Hatch" and use it as your number one fly fishing bible.  Buy this book first. 2)  Go to a fly shop fishing pro and find yourself a mentor and/or take lessons out of that store. 3)  Take a fly tying course. Remember, there are different stages of fly fishermen who catch the most fish. 1) The beginner 2) The intermediate 3) The master 4) The local ?  you ask?  The local is the one that usually breaks the most fishing laws and is probably the main poacher in the area.  They think they own everything. Hope this helps you get off on the right foot. Finally, use Gehrke’s Gink to float all your flies and Xink to sink all your wets.  Your wife will like that Fred. ; ) George Gehrke/President Gehrke’s Gink Hi, I’m new to this NG and want to start with flyfishing, Can anyone give me some info on do’s and don’t ? Are there any good sites with info ? Any help would be appreciated Thanks

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I don’t know about other folks out there, but I resent the entire concept of "The Idoit’s Guide to…" series. It’s insulting to imply that people are "idiots" because they want to learn quickly about running, or Window 95, or Wine Tasting, or whatever. Somebody needs to come up with a Genius’ series to combat these Idiot Guides. For my money, Galloway’s book is a classic without insulting the reader with an annoying title.

The books do not suggest that their readers are idiots. There are beginners to various activities who have beginners’ concerns; such people may feel — let’s say through insecurity — that their concerns are not those generally felt by any but the novice. They suspect that they would be regarded as idiotic by more advanced members if they were to express their concerns. This isn’t to say anyone has ever suggested they are indeed idiotic for being new to a particular activity. The books appeal, in a light-hearted way, to such insecurities. It is simply way of attracting the novice audience. Take a look inside one of these books and check how many times the author actually refers to his reader as an "idiot". Not too many, I suspect.

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You should read "Complete Idiots for Dummies" for an explanation of this phenomon. -ssloth – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It’s insulting to imply that people are "idiots" because they want to learn quickly about running, or Window 95, or Wine Tasting, or whatever.

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The title may be "irritating", but some books in the Idiot and Dummy series have famous authors, as with this one. I find the series hit and miss.  Some of the books are too trivial while others, such as Rogers’, are good ones.

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I read parts of it in the bookstore yesterday and it seems pretty good. It had a number of statistics I’ll quote from time to time when the appropiate issue comes up in this newsgroup.

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Joe, you’re joking, right? A lot of late 20th century phenomena irritates the crap out of me, but a light-hearted acknowledgement that most people don’t know as much as they’d like to, something that’s become an incredibly successful series of publications… sorry, I just don’t have time to resent that one. By the way, I think the use of the term "Idiot" in this context dates back to some early 70s shop manuals that were written "…For the Complete Idiot," which were, themselves, light-hearted takeoffs on the centuries-old angling (fly fishing?) classic, "The compleat angler…" Someone more literary than I might wish to cut in and help me out here before I appear even more ignorant. or just plain idiotic, Dirk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know about other folks out there, but I resent the entire concept of "The Idoit’s Guide to…" series. It’s insulting to imply that people are "idiots" because they want to learn quickly about running, or Window 95, or Wine Tasting, or whatever. Somebody needs to come up with a Genius’ series to combat these Idiot Guides. For my money, Galloway’s book is a classic without insulting the reader with an annoying title. I read parts of it in the bookstore yesterday and it seems pretty good. It had a number of statistics I’ll quote from time to time when the appropiate issue comes up in this newsgroup. — Joe Ranft

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I don’t know about other folks out there, but I resent the entire concept of "The Idoit’s Guide to…" series. It’s insulting to imply that people are "idiots" because they want to learn quickly about running, or Window 95, or Wine Tasting, or whatever. Somebody needs to come up with a Genius’ series to combat these Idiot Guides. For my money, Galloway’s book is a classic without insulting the reader with an annoying title. I read parts of it in the bookstore yesterday and it seems pretty good. It had a number of statistics I’ll quote from time to time when the appropiate issue comes up in this newsgroup.

– Joe Ranft

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        I got tired of catching the regular fish we had around here so I asked a friend what we could do about getting in some different species. He said that he had been to Arkansas and up there they planted trout. I called the Fish and Game people and they were more than happy to send me some baby rainbows. Now, here’s the problem….         I keep planting them and they keep dying. I asked my buddy about it and he thinks we’re planting them too deep. My thought is…maybe our soil ain’t right. ps. Would fish meal be a good fertilizer? Why aren’t you fishing? Da’ Capt

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YOU GOT IT RIGHT!  They are definitely planted too deep.  Also, maybe browns would work better? Ed BTW – forget it!

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All hatchery trout should be planted, preferably in dirt. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YOU GOT IT RIGHT!  They are definitely planted too deep.  Also, maybe browns would work better? Ed BTW – forget it!

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Are you planting the heads UP or DOWN ???? Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         I got tired of catching the regular fish we had around here so I asked a friend what we could do about getting in some different species. He said that he had been to Arkansas and up there they planted trout. I called the Fish and Game people and they were more than happy to send me some baby rainbows. Now, here’s the problem….         I keep planting them and they keep dying. I asked my buddy about it and he thinks we’re planting them too deep. My thought is…maybe our soil ain’t right. ps. Would fish meal be a good fertilizer? Why aren’t you fishing? Da’ Capt

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Can anyone help me with a problem ? I want information about flyfishing(dry) in Norway(Hemsedal) streams with trout

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Can anyone help me with a problem ? I want information about flyfishing(dry) in Norway(Hemsedal) streams with trout

Check out  http://www.flyshop.no/

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I t is good to see that at least one craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie. A.J.Thramer Bamboo rod craftsman

I would guess that 90% of the flies purchased in the USA are tied overseas.  If I had to depend on US tiers to supply my store I would have closed up about 10 years ago.  I hope no one will take offense to that statement. Our preseason order with Umpqua Feather Merchants is for 20 thousand dozen flies.  We then fill in the rest of the year depending on how it goes. We also buy some specialty flies from  a half-dozen other sources. They are US tiers. I would love to have all my flies tied by Al Troth, Bob Quigley and Dave Whitlock, but that is impossible. In California, good imported trout flies tied on high quality Japanese hooks, sell retail for $1.75 each.  I love to have people take our fly tieing classes because afterwards they will never complane about the price of flies. I thought about deleting this rather than posting it, but after reading it about 6 times I decided that it was very factual. I started selling flies in a very good sporting goods store thirty years ago. We had Dan Bailey’s US tied flies and Cortland imported flies from Kenya. A lot of people would not be going fly fishing if we didn’t have imported flies. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Hi Jim, Didn’t know you’d become a tackle dealer too. I need a jungle cock cape. Stripers are running in the Georges, Later, Bob Olmsted

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The situation has not improved since you studied it. I am a retired school teacher augmenting my pension by tying flies professionally. I tied for about 10 years before retiring so I could afford to teach. The $30,000 would be reachable. A.K. Best claimed to tie 3,000 dozen/year and I think that is a reasonable number. I like to fish too much to reach that number. The flies tied overseas vary in quality but the good ones are definitely fishable. But when one supplier plans on selling 750,000 dozen this year, it shows a real demand for tyers. I think the best route for local tyers is to custom tie for shops or individual fishermen/fisherwomen/fisherkids. Most of my tying is for one shop and is for patterns not covered by the big boys. I think the Vic’s Fly-By-Night Too much time spent tying Not enough fishing

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The situation has not improved since you studied it. I am a retired school teacher augmenting my pension by tying flies professionally. I tied for about 10 years before retiring so I could afford to teach. The $30,000 would be reachable. A.K. Best claimed to tie 3,000 dozen/year and I think that is a reasonable number. I like to fish too much to reach that number. The flies tied overseas vary in quality but the good ones are definitely fishable. But when one supplier plans on selling 750,000 dozen this year, it shows a real demand for tyers. I think the best route for local tyers is to custom tie for shops or individual fishermen/fisherwomen/fisherkids. Most of my tying is for one shop and is for patterns not covered by the big boys. I think the Vic’s Fly-By-Night Too much time spent tying Not enough fishing

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What I would *really* like to see is a machine-tied fly in several sizes using natural materials. I promise to be awestruck if it has upright wings and a split tail. Now that would be something to hoot about! — Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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It’s really amazing the number of customers that think flies are tied by a machine.  Of course (most of) these are the spouses of fly fishermen coming in to buy a gift.  I had always thought like you – I would like to see THAT machine! Sandy Lockleer Creekside Fly Shop, Salem, Oregon http://www.halcyon.com/flyshop/

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Hi Ken. I saw an ad for hand tied flies and wondered if there was any other way? Silly header really! A machine dextrous enough to tie flies really would be something. Mind you judging by some of the flies that are tied, the inventor of such a machine would make a packet.                                              Tight lines. Dave T. What I would *really* like to see is a machine-tied fly in several sizes using natural materials. I promise to be awestruck if it has upright wings and a split tail. Now that would be something to hoot about!

– dave tait

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I had always thought like you – I would like to see THAT machine!

     Especially the one that does the wings on Jock Scotts.

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I t is good to see that at least one craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie. A.J.Thramer Bamboo rod craftsman

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I totally agree with this statement. As a former pro tyer I was and still am recieving offers from Kenyans who would like to supply me with trout flies at a fraction of the cost of UK flies. I refused such offers however some of my conterpartarts took up the cheap fly challenge and import tens of thousands of flies per year. These so called fly tyers then sell flies tied by others as their own produce. I look forward to reading of the first test case in the UK of a fly tyer being prosecuted under the trades description act.                                  Dave Tait. You’ve matched the hatch but can you catch the catch? writes I t is good to see that at least one craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie. A.J.Thramer Bamboo rod craftsman

– dave tait

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A.J writes: It is good to see that at least one

craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie. I agree mostly with your sentiments. "Hand-tied" is no assurance of quality, per se, however and there are some truly fine flies flies coming in from overseas. If there were not such a large market for them, they wouldn’t be in the shops. Being an advocate of free market economics, I cannot criticize the fact of imports meeting market demands but it would be interesting to learn whether overseas fly manufacturers may be creating opportunities for some individuals that may not otherwise have existed before. Are their wages "pitiful" compared to their local economies? Can domestic tyers supply demand? Quien sabe? — Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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I cannot verify that the wages paid are different than the prevailing in their area. I suspect that it is an opportunity that the tiers would not have if the fly factories were not there. I can shed some light on the plight of the tier/shop owner.  Many of the tiers have always tended to be unreliable, this lead to unreliable supply. This is obviously a major problem for a commodity as seasonal as flies. A tyer who wants to be a reliable supplier to a shop has a tough road ahead until he can prove himself IF he is given a chance. The point of it being that the overseas suppliers have not competed on a cost basis but on a supply basis. A.J.Thramer

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A.J writes: It is good to see that at least one craft/profession has proven resitant to the mechanization of our society. A fly still bears the indelible signature of the tier. It is too bad that so many of our flies are signed by tiers from third world nations making a pitiful wage who have no hope whatever of legally using the flies they tie.

In fact, tiers in Third World countries often make relatively decent wages, compared to those they