Why are you about to send them all to Italy?
I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR
I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR
U.N. Cool. Go out and thump mellons for the "World Team." I would contact U.S. Customs. Many times in my moves around the world, I had a customs agent on site when they packed my goods up. Its their job. Explain the situation, and tell them what you have. They will be able to tell you what to do. The best thing to do is make sure the odd bits (polar bear, dodo, and such) are packaged in and American wrapper (Wapsi, Orvis…). It then comes under the commercial products for personnal use heading vice "trapped or hunted furs and pelts." The latter is a pain in the butt. Secondarily, when you ship, package it all together and label it "craft materials." They understand crafts alot more than the nuances of fly tying. Cheers. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.
I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR
Good luck and stay safe JR! Hope you find some fishing opportunities! –Stan
Why are you about to send them all to Italy? I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR
Is there a relocation company handling matters for you? They should be able to help. Paul
Good luck and stay safe JR! Hope you find some fishing opportunities!
Thanks, Stan. Compared to a lot of places I’ve lived, the greatest danger in Rome will be from all the beautiful women, and I reckon I can live with that. A couple of weeks ago, a fellow named Bepo from Friuli posted here, and I’ve been grilling him by email about the fishing there. Turns out he’s a freshwater fisheries biologist, so he knows a lot. ROFF delivers yet again!!! JR
U.S. Customs. Many times in my moves around the world, I had a customs agent on site when they packed my goods up. Its their job. Explain the situation, and tell them what you have. They will be able to tell you what to do. The best thing to do is make sure the odd bits (polar bear, dodo, and such) are packaged in and American wrapper (Wapsi, Orvis…). It then comes under the commercial products for personnal use heading vice "trapped or hunted furs and pelts." The latter is a pain in the butt. Secondarily, when you ship, package it all together and label it "craft materials." They understand crafts alot more than the nuances of fly tying.
Good advice. Fortunately, many of the more expensive items, that I’d least like to see confiscated, are Whiting capes and saddles still in their original, labeled zip-lock bags. As you say, it turns out (according to Kaufmann’s) that products from commercially raised domesticated animals (chickens, rabbits, calves, etc.) are easier to deal with than products from wild animals (deer, elk, etc.), which, to be exported legally, require an inspection by USFW. JR
Is there a relocation company handling matters for you? They should be able to help.
They were being all spacey for a while, alternating between confusion and breezy nonchalance ("Oh, probably there’ll be no problem…"). I’ve been pushing them about being sure to get the appropriate customs and fish and wildlife clearances leaving the U.S., based on what I’ve found out from Kaufmann’s, Hunter’s Angling, and other folks. Now they’re coming around. JR
John, have you inquired with the UN to see if you can get your stuff into Italy in something like a "diplomatic pouch"? I should think UN personnel would have something like "diplomatic immunity." BTW, my younger duaghter lives in Terni, an hour or two north of Rome. She tells me a river flows through Terni that is full of fish, but she has no idea what kind. She’s coming for Easter; I’ll see what more I can find out. vince
John, have you inquired with the UN to see if you can get your stuff into Italy in something like a "diplomatic pouch"? I should think UN personnel would have something like "diplomatic immunity." BTW, my younger duaghter lives in Terni, an hour or two north of Rome. She tells me a river flows through Terni that is full of fish, but she has no idea what kind. She’s coming for Easter; I’ll see what more I can find out.
Thanks, Vince. Folks at my level in the organization have some very nice privileges and a quasi-diplomatic status, but not quite immunity. The pouch is out of the question, but in fact things are shaping up. It was the local moving company here that was at a loss; the shippers in DC that subcontracted them are pretty much on top of everything now that I’ve expressed my concern. I’d like to hear about waters close to Rome. All the best trout water I’ve ID’d up til now is too far north for weekend jaunts, but I suspect there is some "lesser quality" water in the Apennines, and I don’t mind fishing for warm water species as well. Plus, what with a gazillion and a half miles of coastline, there must be a saltwater fish or two that can be taken with a fly. It’s been said here on ROFF before: if you’re open-minded and a bit adventuresome, you can always find something worthwhile to fish for. BTW, have fun at the Penns ‘Clave. JR
I’d like to hear about waters close to Rome.
I was in Rome for about four months a few years back. I didn’t have my fishing gear, but I do recall there being a nice sporting goods store right near the Sisto bridge, across from Trastevere. It wasn’t on the main road that parallels the Tiber, but the "access road" that paralleled that. The exterior was non-descript but they had some very nice gear inside (including fly gear and some really nice shotguns, IIRC). Not much to go on, I realize, but there are worse ways to spend an afternoon than wandering that area looking for a flyshop 
. Have fun…I’m sure you will! – Sid …and buy your coffee for home brewing at Castroni…you won’t be sorry! …and, umm, you guys hiring?
…… I do recall there being a nice sporting goods store right near the Sisto bridge, across from Trastevere. It wasn’t on the main road that parallels the Tiber, but the "access road" that
Now you’re talkin. …and buy your coffee for home brewing at Castroni…you won’t be sorry!
Now you’re REALLY talkin. Thanks, Sid. JR
I’m about to ship all my fly tying materials to Italy. Does anyone know what sort of documentation might be required to avoid problems getting bird and animal skins into Italy and then getting them eventually back into the U.S.? JR Why are you about to send them all to Italy?
Folks, we have the first bidder. Tim
I’m about to ship all my fly tying materials to Italy. Does anyone know what sort of documentation might be required to avoid problems getting bird and animal skins into Italy and then getting them eventually back into the U.S.? JR
I’m about to ship all my fly tying materials to Italy. Does anyone know what sort of documentation might be required to avoid problems getting bird and animal skins into Italy and then getting them eventually back into the U.S.? JR
Why are you about to send them all to Italy?
Bruiser wrote… I forgot to thank Joe Fleischman for the great gifts. The book went to Charlie who may venture to Northern NM once in a while, and the necks went to Warren, the other birthday guy and a prolific fly tier.
Speaking of which, I owe a thanks to Joe. The funny thing is that I needed those for my fly swap flies so you will probably be seeing them again soon Joe, in a different form of course. — Warren Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt
Of course, no offense to the Penn’s Clave. Let me amend by saying: Henry’s Fork will be the mother of all Western Claves. We’re sending our DH to Penns 
bruce h
Personally, the best thing about claving is that now when I read your posts, I can hear your voices. Mu
…and there it is. summed up nicely mu. course, a few more and you’ll be hearing their footsteps too <g. jeff
Jeff, I’m not sure what brand the Tequila was, but it was good, a Reposado. It came in a brown ceramic bottle with a white picket fence molded into the front.
You seem to have found one I don’t know of. I’ll look for it on my trip west I coudn’t read the label with double vision! You should see the flies I tied though.
Oh, I’ve seen ‘em, and they’re too small to see.
Wayne Harrison wrote… ah, the stuff of legends! it reads wonderfully, and makes us all dream of the fabled henry’s fork, where i will plant the bonnie blue flag of the old north state, come this september.
Every couple of weeks I am going to repost this Wayno. I am holding you to your pledge of attendance. I would consider it both an honor and a privilege to fish with you and eagerly look forward to the day. It would finally ease the disappointment I felt in Ennis. — Warren Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt
Jeff, I’m not sure what brand the Tequila was, but it was good, a Reposado. It came in a brown ceramic bottle with a white picket fence molded into the front. I coudn’t read the label with double vision! You should see the flies I tied though. Tripper, Last night it started snowing and it’s let up a little but it hasn’t stopped. We must have been living right because the storm held off for a couple of days. Wayne, see you at the Henry’s Fork. I better bring my Nuevo Mexico flag. bruce h I forgot to thank Joe Fleischman for the great gifts. The book went to Charlie who may venture to Northern NM once in a while, and the necks went to Warren, the other birthday guy and a prolific fly tier. bruce h
If you ever get the chance and haven’t done so, attend a clave. I have met lots of great friends this way. Ain’t the net great?
ah, the stuff of legends! it reads wonderfully, and makes us all dream of the fabled henry’s fork, where i will plant the bonnie blue flag of the old north state, come this september. your friend in carolina wayno
Personally, the best thing about claving is that now when I read your posts, I can hear your voices.
Ah, now THAT captures it perfectly. Perfectly. JR
If you ever get the chance and haven’t done so, attend a clave. I have met lots of great friends this way. Ain’t the net great?
It is indeed. Well, we’ll get some pictures posted somewhere soon.
Definitely! Maybe rw’s got some room? We think the Henry’s Fork will be the Mother of All Claves.
Well, maybe the daughter: I’d say the Penn’s shindig has some scary numbers behind it… Thanks for visiting, everyone, I had a blast.
Very cool, thanks for the TR. It sounds like the water clarity wasn’t much of an issue. And you didn’t mention the weather – did George’s snowstorm give the valley a miss? /daytripper (Glad you all had a good trip!)
If you ever get the chance and haven’t done so, attend a clave. I have met lots of great friends this way. Ain’t the net great?
Yes, my friend, it surely is. Everyone has slow days, days when you are obviously catching fewer fish than your friends.
That only happens to me on the rare days that I go fishing. Thanks to everyone for the nice gifts. Danl brought me a cool bottle of high quality tequila…
What kind was it?
If you ever get the chance and haven’t done so, attend a clave. I have met lots of great friends this way. Ain’t the net great?
No doubt about it (irrespective of Gwen Stefani’s anatomy) Hate to tell you, Mu and Bill, but Monday was the best day.
First time I ever heard *shoulda been here tomorrow* As if in a dream, that fish opened his mouth, the fly slid in, and amazingly was hooked. In all my days there, that’s never happened for me like that before. Mu CAN throw the whole line with little or no effort.
<g What you might not have noticed from where you were watching is that half the time I was chucking a Teeny 130 – that’s why it looked so easy to make the long casts. I don’t think I’ve ever thrown a whole floating line. Thanks for visiting, everyone, I had a blast.
Sure was a blast. I learned quite a bit. I’ve never fished such small flies. I saw fish being caught in some water that often I would have overlooked. I overheard Bruiser talking to Charlie about looking for fish in some shallow spots and that help me pick up a very nice fish one morning while casting towards shore while everyone else near me was casting to the deep water. Watching people’s individual fishing styles was pretty cool too. Personally, the best thing about claving is that now when I read your posts, I can hear your voices. Mu
If you ever get the chance and haven’t done so, attend a clave. I have met lots of great friends this way. Ain’t the net great? Everyone has slow days, days when you are obviously catching fewer fish than your friends. Days like those are particularly noticeable at the San Juan, where the fish are everywhere and so are the fly fishers. Everyone had at least one day of fewer fish, including me, the host. Imagine that. There was one exception and anyone who reads ROFF knows who that person is. Willi’s unreal. We keep wondering when he’ll just get blanked, and in the several days I’ve been lucky enough to fish with him it’s never even been close. Different rivers, different bugs, different conditions, same result. Willi’s letting go of another fish in that familiar fashion – he leans over, quickly grabs the hook, and releases the fish without touching it. It’s not really all that amazing that he can nimbly release a three pound fish from a size 24 hook in that manner. Any one of us would be as good if we’d have practiced it 10,000 times Steve and I were talking one evening after another mini party in an Abe’s room and when we started talking about all the fish we’ve seen Willi catch we started laughing and continued for quite some time. His skill is uncanny. Hopefully I’m not embarassing Willi – he’s a very modest guy. Thanks to everyone for the nice gifts. Danl brought me a cool bottle of high quality tequila that lasted until my friend Arnie arrived. He’s the western answer to Pamlico Jim. Charlie gave me one of those cool Fishpond tippet dispensers, Bob another shirt to replace the one he gave me last year. Mu brought me some French flies. Yes, I typed that right. RW paid for my accomodations and we had a blast fishing together all over the river. Warren brought a ton of flies for everyone and two tons of materials. Sorry if anyone was left out, but I still feel like a zombie. We had two or three dinners at the Sportsman (big burgers). They have dollar bills, decorated with patron’s grafitti, covering the walls. Last year in December (actually December 2000) I gave the waitress a dollar with the inscription: ROFF 2000. In at least fifteen subsequent visits I’ve failed to spot the dollar on any of the walls – my guess was it got pocketed after the unfortunate situation with our tab last year (which we made good on). On the first night there, we were waiting for a table, and there it was, on the wall, next to the front door. Cool. The next morning, as we were leaving the breakfast table, a guy at another table asked me if I was Bruiser and if we were ROFF. Turns out he’s a lurker from Colorado and that we’ve known each other vaguely for years. Wow. They were in the room across from us at Abe’s and paid our party a visit later that night, contributing heavily to Warren and Arnie’s hangovers the next day. Something about Martini’s not mixing well with whiskey, beer, and tequila but the details aren’t important. They are nice guys and it was fun to meet up with them at the clave. The fishing was a little tougher than usual, especially on Saturday and Sunday, when there were more people and fewer risers. Hate to tell you, Mu and Bill, but Monday was the best day. Even on the worst days on that river you can sneak up on a big rainbow and watch it pick adult midges off the surface – deliberately, slowly, selectively. Bob and I cast to one of these guys without a look. The fish continued eating real bugs, undeterred by our artificials. At one point the fish took a midge from *between* the two dries that Bob drifted over him. On sunday there was a fish feeding in a similar fashion and indulged me by continuing to feed as I drifted three dry patterns over his head. First, a tiny griffith’s. He looked at it, but only came to within an inch and didn’t open his mouth. Next, I tried a single adult midge parachute pattern. The fish examined it real close, but again, didn’t open it’s mouth. Then I remembered a fly that I’d had success with before in a similar situation. It’s a tiny Adams with no wing, just hackle, given to me by a guide a couple years ago. As if in a dream, that fish opened his mouth, the fly slid in, and amazingly was hooked. In all my days there, that’s never happened for me like that before. Everyone seemed to have the spot they really liked. Charlie’s spot is the slack water at the bottom of the cable hole, slow current and very selective risers. That’s also RW’s favorite. Bob and I like to fish emergers in the Upper Flats. Willi fishes for risers near the dam with dry flies (or a two inch strip of chamois). Warren liked the channels between the dam and cable hole. Danl, as well as Mu and Bill, fished everywhere and with big smiles always. I’ve never met Mu before and he’s very cool, energetic and friendly. It’s been said about flyrods on ROFF before, but Mu CAN throw the whole line with little or no effort. Well, we’ll get some pictures posted somewhere soon. We think the Henry’s Fork will be the Mother of All Claves. Thanks for visiting, everyone, I had a blast. bruce h
speechless. I am going to take that statement with a huge pile of salt. I have never seen the time a trial lawyer was speechless.
Hm…..now that you mention it Dale, speechless and incoherent really AREN’T synonymous, are they? Don’t let this get around, you do have a reputation to maintain.
And we aim to do all the maintenance required. Wayno:Looking forward to seeing you in about a week.
Ditto, in spades. Big Dale
You too Dale. Wolfgang
Much appreciated Vincent.Maybe I’ll try one on the Housatonic, Columbus day.I’ll definitely bring a few of those litle Olive thingamajigs as well. Regards,Flypaint(Shawn) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would have tried a Patriot but I’m not sure what it is. Regards,Flypaint (Shawn) Hook: Mustad 94833, sizes 10 – 18 Thread: Red Tails: Brown hackle fibers Body: Smolt blue Krystal Flash wound around shank, with a "belt" of red thread, like a Royal Coachman Wings: White impala or calf tail, divided Hackle: Brown from Meck’s _Patterns, Hatches, Tactics, and Trout_, pp. 197-8. vince norris
…..Asadi stayed until Monday morning. I wonder if he ever found the Home for Wayward Amish girls?…..
Um…….guys…….it’s a painful memory and I don’t like to dredge it up but I seen Asadi take a shower on the shore of Lake Wolfgang gotta go now…..gotta wash out my brain
Um…….guys…….it’s a painful memory and I don’t like to dredge it up but I seen Asadi take a shower on the shore of Lake Wolfgang gotta go now…..gotta wash out my brain
Aggggh! Good lord, now ya gone and done it. I’ll have nightmares for weeks. Natty
Natty was on a mission Sunday morning,and I hope he picked up a couple of nice fish before he left and thanks again for inviting me to the inn.
Only managed one small brown on a trico that DavePA gave me just before his departure. Weirdest thing…the trico hatch was confined to a 20-30 yard stretch of the river. Either side of that, nothing but the size 72 cream midges. Glad you could make it Shawn…had a great time. Sorry about the buzzsaw. Things that stand out: a lot of talk about farm-women and personal flotation devices,amish co-eds,sounds that are like snoring(leaf blowers,lawn mowers,outboard engines
etc.),newborns,small fish on big flies,and Jack Daniels.Some much needed comic relief, thanks again fellas. Regards,Flypaint (Shawn)
Asadi stayed until Monday morning. I wonder if he ever found the Home for Wayward Amish girls? It really was a laugh. Natty
speechless.
I am going to take that statement with a huge pile of salt. I have never seen the time a trial lawyer was speechless. Don’t let this get around, you do have a reputation to maintain. Wayno:Looking forward to seeing you in about a week. Big Dale
I would have tried a Patriot but I’m not sure what it is. Regards,Flypaint (Shawn)
Hook: Mustad 94833, sizes 10 – 18 Thread: Red Tails: Brown hackle fibers Body: Smolt blue Krystal Flash wound around shank, with a "belt" of red thread, like a Royal Coachman Wings: White impala or calf tail, divided Hackle: Brown from Meck’s _Patterns, Hatches, Tactics, and Trout_, pp. 197-8. vince norris
Shawn, It was great meeting you, glad you got a chance to fish after that tire debacle on Saturday. Tom
@mb-mj.aol.com: Nice report Tom. I’m looking forward to next spring. Joel Axelrad **DFD**
As am I. I would love to do one of these fall trips (especially Dave L’s), but Fall is my big teaching semester. Scott
Hey All, I’m glad I was finally able to make it to a ROFF gathering ,even if it was only a mini one.I’m looking forward to the May, Penns gathering even if I can only make it for a three day weekend.Nice bunch of guys to hang out and fish with.Asadi wins the hospitality award hands down(and biggest rock bass).I picked up a lot of good tips watching these fellows fish and Tom might be interested to know that I dug around in my box until I found a small olive whatchamacall it and grabbed a nice brown just below the riffle at the end of tunnel road.I would have tried a Patriot but I’m not sure what it is.(is the pattern posted anywhere?)Natty was on a mission Sunday morning,and I hope he picked up a couple of nice fish before he left and thanks again for inviting me to the inn.Things that stand out: a lot of talk about farm-women and personal flotation devices,amish co-eds,sounds that are like snoring(leaf blowers,lawn mowers,outboard engines etc.),newborns,small fish on big flies,and Jack Daniels.Some much needed comic relief, thanks again fellas. Regards,Flypaint (Shawn)
. We ended the day with an enchilada dinner, courtesy of John B. Drank an assortment of wonderful beers, and some of Johns Budweiser as well.
good god. asadi drinks *budweiser*? i am rendered speechless. it’s somewhat akin to discovering that mahatma gandhi spent his spare time reading superman comics. wayno, crestfallen in the old north state
Nice report Tom. I’m looking forward to next spring. Joel Axelrad **DFD**
wayno notes: good god. asadi drinks *budweiser*? i am rendered speechless.
he doesn’t actually drink it, that I noticed. Just tries to foist it onto the unsuspecting. Also, it comes in handy after DavePA comes over and blows through the Bass Ale supply. Tom
Yeungling! John, you’re in PA, gotta drink Yeungling. My God man, have you no shame? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wayno notes: good god. asadi drinks *budweiser*? i am rendered speechless. he doesn’t actually drink it, that I noticed. Just tries to foist it onto the unsuspecting. Also, it comes in handy after DavePA comes over and blows through the Bass Ale supply. Tom
Well folks, a small, but noble, crew showed up at Coburn, PA this weekend. First to arrive(on Thursday), were John Baker(asadi), Mike Pitch(natty b),Mike Shaw(handyman) and Shawn ?(flypaint). Fishing was said to be fair, but will allow them the details at some later date. Friday brought the rest of the arrivals, DavePA and friend Jeff, Allan Epps, with spouse and dog. The latter crew, I had never met. They proved to be pleasant and seemed to like the locale. The fishing Friday was quite good. Water levels were lower than May’s by a good foot or two. It was a great opportunity to study the underwater layout of the place. Hatches consisted of: Blue Quills, Little Olives, a couple types of craneflies, some decent caddis of a couple types and a smattering of Slate Drakes. These were accompanied by a virtual snowstorm of pale midges, roughly in a size 52, were one to attempt a size match. At any rate, I found success by throwing a pair of very small wet flies to visible feeders. The fly to use for this proved to be a #18 olive wet fly. This pattern took 11 of my trout over the weekend, my best producer. By contrast, Mike Shaw was taking a equal number of opportunistic risers with a #12 Patriot, for whatever reason. Success seemed largely due to the fact that Mike is steadily improving his cast placement, and was sending the things right to the fish properly. Others reported varying success. We ended the day with an enchilada dinner, courtesy of John B. Drank an assortment of wonderful beers, and some of Johns Budweiser as well. Dave took pictures of the assembly which I hope he posts someplace. Well, he can leave out the facial closeup of me in which I looked like I was on the back end of a two week drunk. Saturday, the fishing proved tougher, but most caught fish, generally on the small stuff. I did manage a couple of Browns on Dun Variants during a short burst of drakes. A chilly, breezy day, it was nonetheless beautiful in Penns Valley, with numerous bird sighting, mink running about. No bears seen. Dinner was at the Millheim, in the bar, over copious amounts of Yeungling Lager. Sunday started out foggy, due to the Yeungling, no doubt. Actually, it was clear, and cold. Air temp of 36 at 7 am. After a quick talk with campground owners, and a fine breakfast with John, I joined Mike Shaw below Elk Creek to fish some pocket water with nymphs. Shawn checked in, having taken the largest fish of the weekend(a 17 incher) very early am with a Black Wooly bugger. Winds made for tough work nymphing, so we decided to depart and give the fish a break. The rest of the crew were either packing to go or fishing upstream. It was truly great to see you all, and will help whet the appetite until the May Clave. Tom
I ran across some sinking tips which you attach to the end of your fly line with a loop connection. They had 3 different sink rates (3"/second, 6"/second, 9"/second) in 12 foot lengths. I purchased the slower two sink rates. When I got home and unpacked these sink tips I was surprised to find that they are not tapered. With the addition of a hinge in the line and the fact that they are not tapered, won’t this make casting them difficult. I am going to try them tomorrow but would like to hear if anyone has some advice on how to properly use these add on sink tips. After a day of messing with them I would like to read some advice from someone who has used these things. Thanks in advance David
I make them myself by chopping up a fast sinking flyline and threading the sinking line into a short piece of braided mono line. I use them for salmon fishing with a 9wt rod. You need a rod with a bit of punch and cast with a more open loop than you would normally. I put a coat of flexament on my braids and that stiffens the hinge somewhat. I do use a WF line with my setup and the rod will load up with alot less line out. Just make a couple of practise casts and you will find the sweet spot. I mark my floating line with a sharpie pen. Check the loop connections regularly, I did have one fail on me while fighting a big fish. Sounded like a firecracker.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I ran across some sinking tips which you attach to the end of your fly line with a loop connection. They had 3 different sink rates (3"/second, 6"/second, 9"/second) in 12 foot lengths. I purchased the slower two sink rates. When I got home and unpacked these sink tips I was surprised to find that they are not tapered. With the addition of a hinge in the line and the fact that they are not tapered, won’t this make casting them difficult. I am going to try them tomorrow but would like to hear if anyone has some advice on how to properly use these add on sink tips. After a day of messing with them I would like to read some advice from someone who has used these things. Thanks in advance David
You can get tapered sink tips (not exactly tips per se) from Airflo. They are called Polyleaders and come in 5′ and 10′ length in all sink rates from floating to type 4(?) sinking and in two weight ranges ("trout" for line weights up to 5 and "salmon/bass" for 6-9 weights). In spite of some other people’s complaints about Airflo products I have found these to be very good (as well as a 4 wt Hi Sense long belly fly line I use). I made some level sink tips from a discarded full sinking line and defineitely found the Polyleaders to be superior. You can get these from ezflyfish.com. I haven’t found another place that sells these (except Feathercraft in St. Louis, but they don’t have as broad a selection as Mr. Winter does). Mu
says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I ran across some sinking tips which you attach to the end of your fly line with a loop connection. They had 3 different sink rates (3"/second, 6"/second, 9"/second) in 12 foot lengths. I purchased the slower two sink rates. When I got home and unpacked these sink tips I was surprised to find that they are not tapered. With the addition of a hinge in the line and the fact that they are not tapered, won’t this make casting them difficult. I am going to try them tomorrow but would like to hear if anyone has some advice on how to properly use these add on sink tips. After a day of messing with them I would like to read some advice from someone who has used these things. Thanks in advance David
I fished the Orvis Sink Tips with my WF line yesterday and they worked quite well. They DO load the rod MUCH more rapidly at shorter distances though! Forget about using these things with light patters though. I fought more tailing loops and windknots with an 18 BeadHead than I did fishing it! If found that heavier patterns work well. — Michael Era
I am not sure about loading the boat solo. Its not so much the weight but
I’ve just switched canoes from an Old Town to a handmade wooden one. The wooden one weighs at least 20 pounds less, but is too hard to handle completely well alone in getting it off the truck and back on the sawhorses, so I’ve been paddling for overnights in the tiny Otter, with stuff strapped on deck. Otter fits in my truck bed on a diagonal. The new canoe is 18 feet and the fore/aft wobble and so forth and need to try to keep the wood safe is just more work than the weight loss is worth. I’ll probably be selling it next year. The Old Towns are wonderful. You don’t have to worry about dents. I used to take that thing off my car (lousy arm strength) by looking over to my right to be sure there was nothing pointy and tip/flipping it off. As people would stare, I’d smile and say, "It’s a Old Town." and go get the rest of my gear out of my trunk. I even used to be able to get it on top of my truck by doing the crawl under, lift bow, set bow on top of truck and shove until it was in the right position. I did that on a well used Old Town for 10 years and it was in about the same shape when I handed it on as it was when I bought it. Faded more, though, and one long nasty scratch that has to be fixed by the new owner. So go for the Old Town, even a bit heavy, if you don’t mind some unconventional on and off vehicle moves. I’m 5′4" and out of shape and if I could do it, darn near anyone can. Oh, yeah, middlel-aged, too. However, if I could find a 40 pound kevlar at a price I could afford, I’d be on it like a shot. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -the size could get tough. I carry it myself but its helpful having my son guide the back as I load it on and off. But that may just be me…your coleman seemed to be heavier. I’m now back in the market and looking for an all-purpose boat to cover the following usage: 65% fishing (with electric or tiny outboard) 30% flatwater paddling (maybe day trips or overnights) 5% "whitewater" (certainly ning more than a class 2+) ty. er) It seems to me that Old Town makes more general purpose boats than the other manufacturers, let me know if I am wrong. Woodbury, MN
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If I bought a Discovery I’d buy the 169. Its patterned on their "tripper" which is a great boat. A friend has the 169 and it seems decent. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Old Town Discovery 160K Old Town Discovery 133K Old Town Discovery 147 (current front runner)
Try before you buy…saying that… I had the same requirements you had except I also have a requirement of bringing my son along with me. I went with the Mad River Revelation. It does everything you want. Its about 78 pounds, 17ft, and very stable also its expensive. I fly fish out of it and its very comfortable to have my son in the front and me in the back. It is amazingly comfortable to paddle over the lakes we fish. It easily fits four for day trip though I have not tried camping out of it yet. The electric motor is nice but because we enjoyed paddling it so much we use it only for trolling. I have not tried white water but have heard of others having no problems. I am not sure about loading the boat solo. Its not so much the weight but the size could get tough. I carry it myself but its helpful having my son guide the back as I load it on and off. But that may just be me…your coleman seemed to be heavier. Good luck. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Back in the early 80’s I canoed quite a bit. Yes, I was a teenager, broke and naive, and bought a 15′ Coleman. (Yada, yada, yada). I enjoyed that, fished the heck out of it, camped out of it some and ran a few rapids I probably shouldn’t have. I’m now back in the market and looking for an all-purpose boat to cover the following usage: 65% fishing (with electric or tiny outboard) 30% flatwater paddling (maybe day trips or overnights) 5% "whitewater" (certainly ning more than a class 2+) Now I certainly don’t expect to find something that shines at everything. I had originally decided to do something square-sterned but decided that a double-ended boat would be more versatile. I want to favor fishing since that will be my heaviest usage. Tracking well under power would be important so I’m assuming a flat or slightly rockeredboat would be appropriate. I might also row when fishing solo. I will fish out of it a lot solo so ease of car topping is also important ( I used to do my Coleman alone and I think the 15′ I had was about 85 lbs). But I want the ability to hold two for fishing comfortably, or hold three on a day or overnight paddle. I favor plastic boats for cost and durability. I’m hoping the experts here can help. What have I come up with? My best guesses so far are: Old Town Discovery 160K Old Town Discovery 133K Old Town Discovery 147 (current front runner) It seems to me that Old Town makes more general purpose boats than the other manufacturers, let me know if I am wrong. Let me know what you think. Thanks a lot, Keith Hatfull Woodbury, MN
Back in the early 80’s I canoed quite a bit. Yes, I was a teenager, broke and naive, and bought a 15′ Coleman. (Yada, yada, yada). I enjoyed that, fished the heck out of it, camped out of it some and ran a few rapids I probably shouldn’t have. I’m now back in the market and looking for an all-purpose boat to cover the following usage: 65% fishing (with electric or tiny outboard) 30% flatwater paddling (maybe day trips or overnights) 5% "whitewater" (certainly ning more than a class 2+) Now I certainly don’t expect to find something that shines at everything. I had originally decided to do something square-sterned but decided that a double-ended boat would be more versatile. I want to favor fishing since that will be my heaviest usage. Tracking well under power would be important so I’m assuming a flat or slightly rockeredboat would be appropriate. I might also row when fishing solo. I will fish out of it a lot solo so ease of car topping is also important ( I used to do my Coleman alone and I think the 15′ I had was about 85 lbs). But I want the ability to hold two for fishing comfortably, or hold three on a day or overnight paddle. I favor plastic boats for cost and durability. I’m hoping the experts here can help. What have I come up with? My best guesses so far are: Old Town Discovery 160K Old Town Discovery 133K Old Town Discovery 147 (current front runner) It seems to me that Old Town makes more general purpose boats than the other manufacturers, let me know if I am wrong. Let me know what you think. Thanks a lot, Keith Hatfull Woodbury, MN
Old Town is OK but consider a Mad River Explorer in Royalex. They cost a bit more, but have more stability, and load carrying capacity. They can handle any reasonable whitewater. (The first open canoe down the Grand Canyon was Jim Shelander’s explorer. )
If you can take the time paddle every boat that is recommended to you. I am totally biased but I don’t think you will find a better boat for your described purpose than a Dagger Sewannee. 15 feet, reasonably light, and paddles better than you will believe until you try it. Go with the three seat version and venture into only very mild whitewater in any of this type of boat. There should be a description at www.Dagger.com Steve Scarborough
I was fishing a small creek last night and noticed anumber of large carp leaping as if trying to catch a fly. Some would get clear out of the water — these were 8-10 pound carp. What causes a carp to leap like that? By the way, there was no hatch. grant
I was fishing a small creek last night and noticed anumber of large carp leaping as if trying to catch a fly. Some would get clear out of the water — these were 8-10 pound carp. What causes a carp to leap like
At this time of year, probably normal spawning behavior. — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs, | | Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734 |
I was fishing a small creek last night and noticed anumber of large carp leaping as if trying to catch a fly. Some would get clear out of the water — these were 8-10 pound carp. What causes a carp to leap like that? By the way, there was no hatch. grant
Carp frequently jump like that during spawining. However, Carp do surface feed where there is a natural food source. e.g. my son and I catch such 8-10 lb. carp in our local river where a Mulberry tree overhangs the water and the berries drop in. It is also common for us to enconter channel cats from 5 lbs and up in the same locale. He has even caught several bass in this area.
I was fishing a small creek last night and noticed anumber of large carp leaping as if trying to catch a fly. Some would get clear out of the water — these were 8-10 pound carp. What causes a carp to leap like that? By the way, there was no hatch. grant
I don’t know, but my theory is that they are too dumb to know where the water ends and the air begins. They just keep on swimming up! Eric Oden
I was fishing a small creek last night and noticed anumber of large carp leaping as if trying to catch a fly. Some would get clear out of the water — these were 8-10 pound carp. What causes a carp to leap like that? By the way, there was no hatch.
It’s just a guess but I think that Carp jump, not to catch a fly, but as part of their mating ritual. There are hundreds of carp spawning in one of the nearby streams and they have been jumping for the last couple of weeks. Now they’re often seen thrashing about with each other near the shoreline. I’ve seen several fish in the 20 pound range. I’ve even caught a few that were in the 10-20 pound range and had a couple that broke me off before I could ever see them. John Fereira
Carp will roll as part of their spawing activities. Carp will also rise to insects or floating seeds/berries or other vegetarian food. I have caught carp on a dry fly tied to imitate the seeds of the Cottonwood tree.
Very interesting, what do you call it "Matching The Bloom". When I am in the mountains fishing for trout and those cottonwood seeds are on the water I can’t get a trout to come up for a dry fly. Ernie Harrison
I’ve also heard it described as "Matching the Thatch", at least as far as the grass carp is concerned. Rick — Richard Padgett – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Carp will roll as part of their spawing activities. Carp will also rise to insects or floating seeds/berries or other vegetarian food. I have caught carp on a dry fly tied to imitate the seeds of the Cottonwood tree. Very interesting, what do you call it "Matching The Bloom". When I am in the mountains fishing for trout and those cottonwood seeds are on the water I can’t get a trout to come up for a dry fly. Ernie Harrison
I’ve also heard it described as "Matching the Thatch", at least as far as the grass carp is concerned.
God I love it. Carp flyfishing slang. You go man ! — TimW Halfordian Golfer
I was fishing a small creek last night and noticed anumber of large carp leaping as if trying to catch a fly. Some would get clear out of the water — these were 8-10 pound carp. What causes a carp to leap like At this time of year, probably normal spawning behavior.
Maybe, they jump for the same reason whales jump. They have an itch….. — Joseph J. Egry IV, CHMM | "Fate protects fools, small Environmental Scientist | children, and ships named Riker http://www.netcom.com/~jjegry/my_pages.html
Carp will roll as part of their spawing activities. Carp will also rise to insects or floating seeds/berries or other vegetarian food. I have caught carp on a dry fly tied to imitate the seeds of the Cottonwood tree.
I was fishing a small creek last night and noticed anumber of large carp leaping as if trying to catch a fly. Some would get clear out of the water — these were 8-10 pound carp. What causes a carp to leap like At this time of year, probably normal spawning behavior. — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs, | | Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734 |
I just got back from musky fishing n the Chippewa flowage in nothern wisconsin and the carp were leaping out of the water all over in the shallows whilst nest building. Unfortunately I snagged a redhorse in the middle of the back while casting a gold rapala. Twenty minutes later and several hundred yards down the river where he dragged the boat he broke off. I did not know what I had for the first fifteen minutes till he surfaced. I had visions of making the cover of field and stream with my record musky and could hardly stand my knees were shaking so much.
It’s just a guess but I think that Carp jump, not to catch a fly, but as part of their mating ritual.
For trout in the vicinity of spawning carp, a large peach or beige colored glow bug makes a good carp-egg imitation. — -Wayne Trzyna
=2E. Struggle in Sedona .. Below is an editorial from Fred Johnson published last week in Sedona Red Rock News …
"It’s symbolic of his struggle agains reality!" - John Cleese, Monty Python’s Life of Brian
=2E. Struggle in Sedona .. Below is an editorial from Fred Johnson published last week in Sedona Red Rock News … Fred is good man and has done an admirable job of defining the issues involved with our Struggle in Sedona. Let=92s carry Fred=92s concept of community approval for USFS land trades one step further, send me email and register =93your two cents worth=94 so that we may provide your opinion (support of no more land trades) to the USFS at the next meeting. Let=92s face it, when the USFS trades land, these trades affect not just Sedona — they affect the entire world. Let’s not loose one more trail or tree. Let’s not loose one more bit of scenery. Let’s not loose one more bit of open space. Our forests are Public land and should remain public — not condos, not minimarts, not resorts, not wastewater treatment facilities (the USFS gave the city a couple hundred acres for one of these a few months ago) … We have one more week before we submit our local/national/global opinion to the USFS. Send us your letter today. Thank you for your email, your support and your time. Tell a freind … Fred=92s editorial follows … Forest Service Land Trades Fly in the Face of the Public by Fred Johnson The Forest Service Ideas for the Future statement addresses some concerns about land trades with sympathetic and soothing words and limited accommodation to past issues. However, the Forest Service still persists in desiring land acquisition by exchanges, regardless if such exchanges results in commercial and residential development, environmental denudation of the area transferred and unhappy public reaction. The Forest Service statement misses three strong expressions of public concern: The Sedona Community Plan, which in effect aims for the end of land exchanges that result in commercial development; The Sedona Forum, which identified major conflicts centered around the rate of growth, management of that growth and the primary issue being land trades for private development; and The many vocal written testaments against land trades, made and given at meeting in preparation for this management plan and at public hearings involving past land trades. The Forest Service position for maintaining land trade decision authority flies in the face of all the above. It is also out of step with the General Goals (pg 29 Ideas for the Future): =93We strive to make decisions that reflect the connection of the community with the forest – recognizing the importance of the forest to citizens for …. open space and scenery …=94 And later, reference to land patterns of private and public ownership that meets the needs of the community and the forest. And item 7 on page 32 involving =93maintaining lands as public lands where important for community natural opens space values. =93Where important community values exist, forest lands will not be considered for trade.=94 These latter statements strongly indicate the need and justification for a local =93say=94 in matters. These all indicate that not only is local voice in order, but local acceptance should be required when the local public and community are affected by the loss of nearby national forest lands, its denudation and development for commercial and private purposes. It must be realized that land trades can mean a loss of open space in communities. Also, the increase in the land development base is unpopular in a community that wishes to keep a =93small town=94 atmosphere. Our voices count. We are part of the ecosystem, too. Accordingly, I inject my request for local, public approval of all land trades that result in National Forest land being made eligible for commercial and residential development. In such instances, scoping, public hearing, discussion and agreement by formal or informal referrendums hould be required prior to processing the trade. Do others share my opinion? If you could like, copy and email the letter of support below and I will forward your email to the USFS at the next meeting. Thank you for your support. HELP US SAVE THE FORESTS! HELP US SAVE SEDONA If you support Hiking Opportunities, If you support Biking Opportunities, If you support Camping Opportunities, If you support Climbing Opportunites, If you support Fishing Opportunities, If you support Equestrian Opportunities, If you support any Outdoor Opportunity, If you like Sedona, If you like Arizona If you like the Forest, If you like Nature … Write your own letter or copy and mail the passage below … Thanks for your help. Rama Dear Forest Service Folks, I am opposed to ALL land trades in and around the Sedona area. Please register my opinion and take it into consideration as you construct your =93Ideas for the Future=94 … Name … Age … State … City … Country …
I am looking for the fly fishing computer game software that is out. I thought it was distributed by Orvis, but a call to the Philly store and the local Orvis retailers has been to no avail. Any iformation would be greatly appreciated.
John – There is one called Winfish 3.0- Fly Fishing. It is shareware. I downloaded it off of AOL. Gene
I am looking for the fly fishing computer game software that is out. I thought it was distributed by Orvis, but a call to the Philly store and the local Orvis retailers has been to no avail. Any iformation would be greatly appreciated.
I may be up in this area in a week or two. Any help on where to fish, local patterns etc, would be appreciated. Many thanks. — Scott Branyan Rogers, AR
I am a Colorado native and I have fished the South Platte and other rivers north of Denver extensively. If you are in search of large fish then the Platte is a good destination as is the Blue river 1 hr west of Denver on I-70 in the town of Silverthorne. If numbers of fish are what you want I suggest the Big Thompson or the Cache La Poudre rivers north of Denver and west of Loveland and Fort Collins respectively. Back to the Platte. This time of year is a nice time to fish this area. In the heat of the day the fish are relatively inactive on the surface. However, sometimes the weather changes or something else will cause a proliferation of some species of small mayfly or another. These can usually be imitated with a generic blue wing olive size 16 or smaller. There is usually sporadic action on the surface even in the absence of a hatch. These being a small midge. I tie my own and will discuss the pattern later. In the evenings you can almost always count on some caddis fly action. The elk hair caddis size 16 or smaller being a good match. Through out the day small nymphs will also work. I suggest size 18 or smaller pheasant tails, gold ribbed hairs ears, other mayfly larvae imitations, brassies, and buckskins. You will notice that I have emphasized small patterns. The majority of the aquatic life in the river is small. The non aquatic life near the river is coming into full bloom at this time of the year. Do not forget to take an assortment of grasshopper, beetle, ant, and other terrestrial imitations. Some times these patterns will arose a fish when nothing else will. The fishing pressure on the South Platte is extremely heavy due to its proximity to Denver. Therefore the fish are extremely well educated. When approaching the fish keep in mind the water is very clear. If you can see them, they can see you. Do not slosh and stomp around in this river. If at all possible sneak up on your target fish. This may include crawling on your hands and knees in the middle of the river so as to keep yourself low and slow moving. I always enjoy watching people watch me as I crawl through 12 inches of water and then taking a nice 16 to 20 inch trout only ten feet away. I emphasize the distance because a poor cast which splashes the water or otherwise alarms the fish will ruin your chances to catch the large fish. Additionally the closer you are to the target fish the easier it is to hook and land them when they do take. I personally like to fish around Deckers because the access is easy. The river is accessible for several miles downstream of Deckers and the road runs right along the river. Upstream of Deckers into the canyon is excellent fishing and is where the gold medal water is. A short hike will take you into the canyon. If possible I suggest fishing where people are not elbow to elbow. The whole river is excellent you do not have to fish in a crowd. Also, if possible fish on the week days. I suggest a five weight rod. This is my own preference. Take a rod that you feel comfortable making accurate cast at short to moderate distances. People claiming to cast the whole line and landing 5 lbs. plus trout are full of it. The river is very cold even at this time of the year. Take neoprene waders if you got em. Polarized sunglasses are a must. The elevation in Colorado also makes sunscreen a must. The midge pattern is a simple one. Use a size 20 or 22 dry fly hook. The body is green floss. About 1/2 way to the eye put a small amount of dark green rabbit fur dubbing. for a wing use a grey, light blue, or white polypropelyne. Whip finish the head. This is a sparse pattern. I use it as a dropper to a size 14 or 16 humpy or some other highly visible unsinkable dry fly. This allows me to know where the midge is as it is about impossible to see past 10 feet. If the midge sinks that is ok the fish don’t care. Post your results I wish you good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may be up in this area in a week or two. Any help on where to fish, local patterns etc, would be appreciated. Many thanks. — Scott Branyan Rogers, AR
I am new to the Whidbey Island area and am looking for streams and rivers in the local vicinity to fly fish. Any tips will be apprecated
EJ– Since you only mention streams and rivers, you may already know about Pass Lake, but just in case… Pass Lake is just north of the Deception Pass bridge at the northern end of Whidbey. It is fly fishing only and has some truly big trout. We are at the best time of year to fish it (April and May). You need a boat or tube and no motors are allowed. It is heavily fished, but when you learn it you can do pretty well. The best way to get info is to go to the lake and tell people you’re new and start asking questions. Most will be happy to help you out. There are lots of streams on the mainland not too far from you. Best advice is to find a sporting goods/fly fishing shop and pick their brains. Welcome to Paradise, Ed Morrison (Grizzly Hackle)