You want skeeters? Try Western Montana. Mosquitos are their state bird! After they drained me, they even offered me a glass of orange juice! Gus Weber
If the Red Cross could train them, they wouldn’t need volunteers.
I didn’t want to explain the cause of my injuries to the attending physician, if Angelfire has such a thing.
Hahahaha! Those flies are deadly…… nothing compared to the skeeters in Bismark, ND though. Did you go to the Vietnam Memorial? Hunter
Thanks again Bob. On my recent trip to CO this past August we were going to stay at The Spa because they now have a small RV park with hookups for about 6 or so RVs, but alas only for fully self contained units and they don’t allow pets. The massages across the street are excellent BTW. We ended up right outside town at a RV park right on the San Juan River (I think it’s called Riverview, it’s on the left as you are leaving town on Hwy 160 going toward Wolf Creek Pass) with a nice little pond of their own. Very friendly and helpful people. I’ve been there before. The other thing I might mention is that just before you get to Wolf Creek Pass there is a turnout on the right that lets you take a nice hike up to the headwaters of the San Juan River. It’s a nice (uphill) hike and the falls at the top are beautiful. — Peace, Love and Serenity, Madeleine
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few notes of passing interest…. Chama, New Mexico I stayed in the Rio Chama RV Park, a nice piece of cottonwood bottom right along the river, next to a trestle bridge for the Cumbres and Toltec steam excursion train. The Station is about a half mile west. While watching the horrible news on TV that evening, I heard a couple of loud spaced reports, like shotguns going off nearby. I thought, "It’s black powder season – but in town?" I went down to the tracks and met one the guys who ride around in golf carts helping people park their houses. He was walking back from the woods along the track. "Somebody shooting down here?" "Nah. That was me. Firecrackers. Them bears are tryin’ to climb the fence again." It turns out that a sow and 2 cubs had been getting into the garbage cans, and apparently tore up a screen door the day before. One of the weapons used by the Forest Service to control them is rubber bullets, which are packed with a light powder charge into a 12 gauge shotgun shell. On request, they pass them out in small numbers to residents. I heard one fellow laughing about his "doofus" neighbor who picked up a few and then realized he only had a 20 gauge to shoot them with. Pagosa Springs, Colorado I have been coming to Pagosa to ski for 20 years. I always stayed at the Spa Motel, to make use of the hot spring baths, the swimming pool, and the occasional massage. One of my favorite memories of this place is the year it snowed so much the ticket office at Wolf Creek was buried, and the whole enterprise was shut down for days. I eventually escaped to Purgatory, pointing my Bronco carefully down the middle of the white space between the humps of the fencing along the buried highway, hoping to stay on the road. But the night before I left, I spent an interesting hour in the warm swimming pool, watching those big heavy flakes crowd down out of the black sky, plopping into the pool around me. I’m sure they didn’t really hiss as they hit the water, but that’s the way I remember it. The swimming pool is still ok, but I am sorry to report the indoor soaking pool is not being maintained properly. This may be just one bad day, so check it out if you come through. They give out flannel sheets to wrap up in when you are steaming, and you can lay back on benches and drift off till you cool down and go back in. The water is still 108 degrees, or maybe more, but when I went it hadn’t been cleaned in a while. There was stuff floating on the surface, and it had an oily feel, and the whole room smelled like some sort of nasty soup or old dish water. The good news is that the place across the street (The Springs) is greatly improved from my last visit. These are a series of outdoor pools (bathing suit required) in tiers down to the river, going from 110 degrees down to tepid. If I were just a little bit younger, I’d have to say the babes in string bikinis ain’t so hard to look at, either. $12 for the day. I’m talking about the pools. Creede, Colorado I was wandering desolately down the main street, beseeching complete strangers for access to a phone line so I could e-mail you guys, when I saw a large orange tabby limping across the street. She was collared, tagged, and belled. Her left rear foot was held up high, and it looked like something red stained the paw. I ducked into the Kentucky Belle, which is a grocery store, and told the clerk it looked like someone’s cat was hurt. "Big orange cat?" "Yeah." "That’s the town cat. She don’t belong to anyone special. She got froze to a bridge." The girl was checking out groceries and talking over her shoulder. She was obviously busy, so I didn’t press her, though now I wish I had. This was a healthy animal, with an imperious air only slightly spoiled by the her legged gait. On closer inspection, the red stuff on her paw looked like some kind of medicine. The Town Cat. I guess if you’re going to get stuck to a bridge, this is the place to do it. Between Mora and Angelfire, New Mexico I’ve noticed the black flies here are bigger and slower than the ones I’m used to in Texas. And louder. If you happen to leave your door open during your nap, they’ll make you dream in black and white, of old war movies. Spitfires and B-29s. Since I never know when a nap is coming at me, I am apt to do this. I bought a fly swatter at the Wal-Mart in Las Vegas, N.M. Actually they came packaged in pairs, which I took as an omen. Never know when you might need back-up. In all fairness, though, I have to say they are a tough, tenacious bunch. I was particularly impressed with a certain Sampson of their lot. I decided to skip Taos on the way up. It’s a good town for walking, but finding a place to park the Behemoth I’m living in just didn’t seem attractive to me this time round. The traffic is crazy there around the square, and you can’t avoid it. So I took a winding narrow road out of Mora, past Coyote Creek State Park. When the road opened up a bit approaching Angelfire, I stopped in a turnout, arranged a nice view of the Sangre de Cristos, and made a sandwich. A few flies got in, so I lay about with the swatter till they granted me a funereal peace. After I got back in the truck and started off down the hill, I noticed through the windshield that one of these smug odious vermin had made himself a perch exactly where the hood ornament would be, if I had one. I sped up to 30 mph. He was unconcerned. 40 mph. He couldn’t care less. 50 mph. If a fly could yawn, he would. As I approached 60 mph, I saw him hunker down a little on the slick surface of the paint. Got you now, sucker. But as luck would have it, a car slowed down in front of me, approaching a curve, and I had to let up. I didn’t want to explain the cause of my injuries to the attending physician, if Angelfire has such a thing. As I slowed down to 30 mph, the devil flew away. But I cannot say blew away. He left calmly, at a time and place of his own choosing. And that’s it for now. Bob
You want skeeters? Try Western Montana. Mosquitos are their state bird! After they drained me, they even offered me a glass of orange juice! Gus Weber – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I didn’t want to explain the cause of my injuries to the attending physician, if Angelfire has such a thing. Hahahaha! Those flies are deadly…… nothing compared to the skeeters in Bismark, ND though. Did you go to the Vietnam Memorial? Hunter
No, I’ve been before, and this week I just didn’t need the depression it brought on.
full of Harleys. Their owners were mostly pretty scary looking…. ……there wasn’t a dry eye in the place. I had to leave I was a mess, I can’t take it when other people cry….. it was heartbreaking to be there…. Hunter
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks again Bob. On my recent trip to CO this past August we were going to stay at The Spa because they now have a small RV park with hookups for about 6 or so RVs, but alas only for fully self contained units and they don’t allow pets. The massages across the street are excellent BTW. We ended up right outside town at a RV park right on the San Juan River (I think it’s called Riverview, it’s on the left as you are leaving town on Hwy 160 going toward Wolf Creek Pass) with a nice little pond of their own. Very friendly and helpful people. I’ve been there before. The other thing I might mention is that just before you get to Wolf Creek Pass there is a turnout on the right that lets you take a nice hike up to the headwaters of the San Juan River. It’s a nice (uphill) hike and the falls at the top are beautiful.
Thanks yourself. I am going back through Pagosa this weekend. They are having a big festival and balloon ascension, and besides it’s on the way to the fleshpots of Durango. I give Riverview a look. I went to the falls years ago, and I think I’ll revisit. Now I’ve got to go unload my wallet and get some flyfishing lessons for tomorrow. Hectic pace out here. :) Bob
I didn’t want to explain the cause of my injuries to the attending physician, if Angelfire has such a thing. Hahahaha! Those flies are deadly…… nothing compared to the skeeters in Bismark, ND though. Did you go to the Vietnam Memorial? Hunter
No, I’ve been before, and this week I just didn’t need the depression it brought on. It’s a good display, though. There’s another in California with a lot of good sculpture. It’s off IH5, but right now I can’t look it up, I’m stuck in a phone booth. Later. Bob
A few notes of passing interest…. Chama, New Mexico I stayed in the Rio Chama RV Park, a nice piece of cottonwood bottom right along the river, next to a trestle bridge for the Cumbres and Toltec steam excursion train. The Station is about a half mile west. While watching the horrible news on TV that evening, I heard a couple of loud spaced reports, like shotguns going off nearby. I thought, "It’s black powder season – but in town?" I went down to the tracks and met one the guys who ride around in golf carts helping people park their houses. He was walking back from the woods along the track. "Somebody shooting down here?" "Nah. That was me. Firecrackers. Them bears are tryin’ to climb the fence again." It turns out that a sow and 2 cubs had been getting into the garbage cans, and apparently tore up a screen door the day before. One of the weapons used by the Forest Service to control them is rubber bullets, which are packed with a light powder charge into a 12 gauge shotgun shell. On request, they pass them out in small numbers to residents. I heard one fellow laughing about his "doofus" neighbor who picked up a few and then realized he only had a 20 gauge to shoot them with. Pagosa Springs, Colorado I have been coming to Pagosa to ski for 20 years. I always stayed at the Spa Motel, to make use of the hot spring baths, the swimming pool, and the occasional massage. One of my favorite memories of this place is the year it snowed so much the ticket office at Wolf Creek was buried, and the whole enterprise was shut down for days. I eventually escaped to Purgatory, pointing my Bronco carefully down the middle of the white space between the humps of the fencing along the buried highway, hoping to stay on the road. But the night before I left, I spent an interesting hour in the warm swimming pool, watching those big heavy flakes crowd down out of the black sky, plopping into the pool around me. I’m sure they didn’t really hiss as they hit the water, but that’s the way I remember it. The swimming pool is still ok, but I am sorry to report the indoor soaking pool is not being maintained properly. This may be just one bad day, so check it out if you come through. They give out flannel sheets to wrap up in when you are steaming, and you can lay back on benches and drift off till you cool down and go back in. The water is still 108 degrees, or maybe more, but when I went it hadn’t been cleaned in a while. There was stuff floating on the surface, and it had an oily feel, and the whole room smelled like some sort of nasty soup or old dish water. The good news is that the place across the street (The Springs) is greatly improved from my last visit. These are a series of outdoor pools (bathing suit required) in tiers down to the river, going from 110 degrees down to tepid. If I were just a little bit younger, I’d have to say the babes in string bikinis ain’t so hard to look at, either. $12 for the day. I’m talking about the pools. Creede, Colorado I was wandering desolately down the main street, beseeching complete strangers for access to a phone line so I could e-mail you guys, when I saw a large orange tabby limping across the street. She was collared, tagged, and belled. Her left rear foot was held up high, and it looked like something red stained the paw. I ducked into the Kentucky Belle, which is a grocery store, and told the clerk it looked like someone’s cat was hurt. "Big orange cat?" "Yeah." "That’s the town cat. She don’t belong to anyone special. She got froze to a bridge." The girl was checking out groceries and talking over her shoulder. She was obviously busy, so I didn’t press her, though now I wish I had. This was a healthy animal, with an imperious air only slightly spoiled by the her legged gait. On closer inspection, the red stuff on her paw looked like some kind of medicine. The Town Cat. I guess if you’re going to get stuck to a bridge, this is the place to do it. Between Mora and Angelfire, New Mexico I’ve noticed the black flies here are bigger and slower than the ones I’m used to in Texas. And louder. If you happen to leave your door open during your nap, they’ll make you dream in black and white, of old war movies. Spitfires and B-29s. Since I never know when a nap is coming at me, I am apt to do this. I bought a fly swatter at the Wal-Mart in Las Vegas, N.M. Actually they came packaged in pairs, which I took as an omen. Never know when you might need back-up. In all fairness, though, I have to say they are a tough, tenacious bunch. I was particularly impressed with a certain Sampson of their lot. I decided to skip Taos on the way up. It’s a good town for walking, but finding a place to park the Behemoth I’m living in just didn’t seem attractive to me this time round. The traffic is crazy there around the square, and you can’t avoid it. So I took a winding narrow road out of Mora, past Coyote Creek State Park. When the road opened up a bit approaching Angelfire, I stopped in a turnout, arranged a nice view of the Sangre de Cristos, and made a sandwich. A few flies got in, so I lay about with the swatter till they granted me a funereal peace. After I got back in the truck and started off down the hill, I noticed through the windshield that one of these smug odious vermin had made himself a perch exactly where the hood ornament would be, if I had one. I sped up to 30 mph. He was unconcerned. 40 mph. He couldn’t care less. 50 mph. If a fly could yawn, he would. As I approached 60 mph, I saw him hunker down a little on the slick surface of the paint. Got you now, sucker. But as luck would have it, a car slowed down in front of me, approaching a curve, and I had to let up. I didn’t want to explain the cause of my injuries to the attending physician, if Angelfire has such a thing. As I slowed down to 30 mph, the devil flew away. But I cannot say blew away. He left calmly, at a time and place of his own choosing. And that’s it for now. Bob
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy. come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse: you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal. wayno, grinnin through his grits Been there done that. But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon) John Popp in beautyfull Sanford Fl.
Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill
Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill
Picture this Bill, I have a couch on my front porch. A hard road is about 26-30′ from the house. There is a chain link fence seperating the front yard from the road, along the fence I’ve planted roses from cuttings of two rose plants my late mother in law raised. They are all pink and deep red. The road runs due east/west. In the evening as the sun sets they seem to be all aglow. During the summer rains if a northerly I can watch the rain paint a line as it advances over the road. Besides the roses we have honey suckle, cofederate jasmun, and several citrus trees other fruit trees and a huge magnolia. Sometimes in the mornings when it is still the smells of the flowers is like the perfume of the earth godess. I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it. I’ll miss it. It’s zoned Industrial and sombody will just bulldoze it down and probably build a cane fly rod factory. John Popp in Sanford Fl.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi John, Here in the Swansea Valley South Wales if you can see the other side of the valley then it’s going to rain , if you can’t see it then it *is* raining!. — Bill Picture this Bill, I have a couch on my front porch. A hard road is about 26-30′ from the house. There is a chain link fence seperating the front yard from the road, along the fence I’ve planted roses from cuttings of two rose plants my late mother in law raised. They are all pink and deep red. The road runs due east/west. In the evening as the sun sets they seem to be all aglow. During the summer rains if a northerly I can watch the rain paint a line as it advances over the road. Besides the roses we have honey suckle, cofederate jasmun, and several citrus trees other fruit trees and a huge magnolia. Sometimes in the mornings when it is still the smells of the flowers is like the perfume of the earth godess. I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it. I’ll miss it. It’s zoned Industrial and sombody will just bulldoze it down and probably build a cane fly rod factory. John Popp in Sanford Fl.
Certainly a bit different from the Swansea Valley – good luck with the sale. — Bill
(poetic stuff snipped) I wax poetic about this simple 5 acres because we are going to sell it.
John – why are you selling, if I may ask. Don’t tell me you’re moving up to North Carolina! Mark Faulkner
In the decades since, all I can say is that I only regret having missed out on my first 23 years of eating this ambrosia. While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them.
Absolutely agree with your assesment of sausage gravy and biscuits. Have to disagree about poking fun at southern cooking. It is almost impossible to avoid grits, no matter WHAT you order for breakfast, you get grits. Grits with eggs, oatmeal, french toast, if you ordered eggs sardou and oysters on the half shell they’d bring you a bowl of grits ! If you do not want grits, and what yankee ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy. 
— Ken Fortenberry
(snipped) << While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them. Amen to that, Joe. My favorite is red-eye gravy and gen-u-wine country ham. Of course my doctor frowns on it, but what the hell. Dave LaCourse
(snip) <<If you do not want grits, and what yankee ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy. True, but grits do not have to be uneatable. Go to the mill in Helen, Georgia, and ask for some Georgia Ice Cream. I will guarantee you will go back for seconds. Yep — they’re grits. And while you are there, stop by Unicoi Outfitters — very nice fly shop next door. Dave LaCourse
many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them.
How about chicken fried steaks, fried okra, green beans cooked with ham, and red-eye (ham) gravy? If I lived in the south instead of being an occasional visitor I would weigh about 400lb with a cholesterol level of about 600. Absolutely love southern cooking! George Adams
ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy.
come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse: you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal. wayno, grinnin through his grits
<<come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse: you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal. wayno, grinnin through his grits Wayno, you finally got one wrong. Make that Sugar Corn Pops instead of oatmeal. Dave, loving his Georgia Ice Cream
ever does, be prepared to say so, in no uncertain terms when you order breakfast or you could find yourself face to face with a bowl of mashed up hominy. come on, forty, cheer up; it could be a helluva lot worse: you could have to wake up on the dreary, lifeless plains of illinois, and stare at a bowl of oatmeal. wayno, grinnin through his grits
Been there done that. But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon) John Popp in beautyfull Sanford Fl.
But have you ever sat in the cool evening and watched the heat lightning over the plains ? Or the wind rippling the tall corn stalks as far as the eye could see? On reflection we in this country are blessed with such a variety of climes and beauty and in such variation. As we have users from other countrys try to imagine someone from say Austria trying to imagine the true beauty of the Sonora or the heat, dampness and abundance of wildlife of the everglades. God we are wondrously lucky. Every place I’ve been I’ve seen beauty beyond my poor ability to express. (end of sermon) John Popp in beautyfull Sanford Fl.
right on, john. america the beautiful. no cliche’. wayno
And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: instructional materiel snipped OK Dave, I got a lot to learn in a couple months. Now, I’m off to the range - need some work on the new .454. By the way, do you think that’s enough gun? Mark Faulkner
I’ve made a few cyberfriends on this N.G. I just hope they will still be around after the clave:-) — Bill
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie… *very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong: like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree: "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.
Not forgetting "Taw Son" and "Twll dyn pob Yankee"….how about that Wayne? Just a couple of phrases for those occasions when the dialectual emphasis is incorrect! — Bill
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(snipped) <* Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store. Do not buy food at this store.
Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. Actually, you are wrong, very wrong. Southern cooking is some of the finest I’ve ever had. I will eat well at the ‘clave, and if Wayno does the pig roast, or fish fry, I will eat *extremely* well. My post was meant to be satirical — your’s is down right insulting. Dave LaCourse
<* Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store. Do not buy food at this store. Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. Actually, you are wrong, very wrong. Southern cooking is some of the finest I’ve ever had. I will eat well at the ‘clave, and if Wayno does the pig roast, or fish fry, I will eat *extremely* well.
Despite being born, raised, and presently residing south of the Mason-Dixon line, my southern upbringing was woefully neglected in many respects. Most relevent to this post, however, is the fact that I never once saw nor heard of sausage gravy until I was nigh on 23 years old. Perhaps it was because my mother grew up on a poultry farm so fried chicken was far more often on the table than pig. Anyhow, I was driving a truck south to Georgia that year and stopped at a roadside diner (Stuckeys?) where I went for the breakfast buffet. There among the "normal" foods was a whitish, somewhat gelatinous, unrecognizable glop whose purpose or enjoyment I couldn’t fathom. I learned later that this was sausage gravy, commonly spooned over fresh biscuits. Being a huge lover of sausage, gravy and biscuits in other forms, I endeavored to try this stuff at my next opportunity. In the decades since, all I can say is that I only regret having missed out on my first 23 years of eating this ambrosia. While there are certainly many things about the south that invite humorous observation, their cooking is not among them. Joe
In response to our colorful speech a close pal of mine responds is a wet minner schlick! If you don’t no what a minner is, they will turn into fish later! Tim(Smokyfly)Doyle
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If they jump your battery, they’ll also all be someone’s brother in law. Don’t ask me why, but it’s a nationwide phenomenon that you rarely get a jump from someone who isn’t someone else’s brother in law. * Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store. Do not buy food at this store.
Considering some of the things that they eat in the south, it’s probably best to bring it with you. * Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here.
Is the burden then on you to prove that he did in fact need it, or on the prosecutor to prove that the deceased was a fine man, a pillar of the community, kind to kids and dogs, etc? * If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store. It doesn’t matter whether you need anything or not. You just have to go.
That’s what I like about the south. One little flake hits somewhere in Jaw-gia, and they have riots in Atlanta. * Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim.
HAH! Is that why you never shoot your deer past maybe 100 yards and maybe not even and you need dogs to chase them anyway? * If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits.
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And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of:
instructional materiel snipped OK Dave, I got a lot to learn in a couple months. Now, I’m off to the range - need some work on the new .454. By the way, do you think that’s enough gun? Mark Faulkner
* Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either.
Strange but true. An old college buddy from Illinois flew into Huntsville airport. Before we headed to Guntersville, which was dry, we went to the state store in Huntsville for supplies. He wanted to pay with a travelers check and asked the clerk if travelers checks were OK. She looked at him like he was speaking martian and asked him what did he say. Jim returned the same look. I had to translate. My wife insists I still retain a southern accent, I prefer to think I’m just a capable translater. — Ken Fortenberry
I have been married to two Southern gals, one for NC and the other from Georgia. And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: * If you run your car into a ditch, don’t panic. Four men in a four-wheel drive pickup truck with a 12 pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don’t try to help them, just stay out of their way. This is what they live for. * Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store. Do not buy food at this store. * Remember: "Ya’ll" is singular, "All ya’ll" is plural, and "All y’all’s" is plural possessive. * Get used to hearing "You ain’t from around here, are ya?" * You may hear a Southerner say "Ought!" to a dog or child. This is short for "Y’all oughta not do that!" and is the equivalent of saying "No!" * Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either. * The first Southern expression to creep into a transplanted Northerner’s vocabulary is the adjective "big ‘ol," as in "big ’ol truck" or "big ‘ol boy". Most Northerners begin their new Southern-influenced dialect this way. All of them are in denial about it. * The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer proper. * Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here. * If you hear a Southerner exclaim "Hey, y’all, watch this," stay out of the way. These are likely to be the last words he’ll ever say. * If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store. It doesn’t matter whether you need anything or not. You just have to go. * When you come up on a person driving 15 mph down the middle of the road, remember that most folks learn to drive on a John Deere and that this is the proper speed and position for that vehicle. * Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim. * In the south we have found that the best way to grow a lush, green lawn is to pour gravel on it and call it a driveway. * If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits. Dave "my hat is clean" LaCourse
Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie…
Simplest way to speak southern is to not say much, and when you do remember that the modifier gets the emphasis, as in: *cold* drink, *red* light, *tee* vee, etc. — Charlie…
*very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong: like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree: "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.
On Sa *very* important to remember these responses for when *anything* goes wrong: like when you break off a 12" rainbow in hazel creek, or you lose your last "secret weapon" on a backcast into a poplar tree: "well i be goddam!"; or, my particular favorite, " well i’ll be a sonaofabitch!" wayno, who’s had a lotta practice.
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What’s the difference between Y’all and Ya’ll? I heerd it in Lecester. which sounds like Lester – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been married to two Southern gals, one for NC and the other from Georgia. And since I have lived in the south, still visit it often, and am a southern property owner, I have come across some things that you foreigners should be aware of: * If you run your car into a ditch, don’t panic. Four men in a four-wheel drive pickup truck with a 12 pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don’t try to help them, just stay out of their way. This is what they live for. * Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store. Do not buy food at this store. * Remember: "Ya’ll" is singular, "All ya’ll" is plural, and "All y’all’s" is plural possessive. * Get used to hearing "You ain’t from around here, are ya?" * You may hear a Southerner say "Ought!" to a dog or child. This is short for "Y’all oughta not do that!" and is the equivalent of saying "No!" * Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying, they can’t understand you either. * The first Southern expression to creep into a transplanted Northerner’s vocabulary is the adjective "big ‘ol," as in "big ’ol truck" or "big ‘ol boy". Most Northerners begin their new Southern-influenced dialect this way. All of them are in denial about it. * The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer proper. * Be advised that "He needed killin’" is a valid defense here. * If you hear a Southerner exclaim "Hey, y’all, watch this," stay out of the way. These are likely to be the last words he’ll ever say. * If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery store. It doesn’t matter whether you need anything or not. You just have to go. * When you come up on a person driving 15 mph down the middle of the road, remember that most folks learn to drive on a John Deere and that this is the proper speed and position for that vehicle. * Do not be surprised to find that 10 year olds own their own shotguns and are proficient marksmen. Or that their mammas taught them how to aim. * In the south we have found that the best way to grow a lush, green lawn is to pour gravel on it and call it a driveway. * If you do settle in the south and bear children, don’t think they will accept them as southerners. After all, if the cat had kittens in the oven, we wouldn’t call ‘em biscuits. Dave "my hat is clean" LaCourse
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You are wonderfully located for fishing South Central PA. In addition to the Yellow Breeches, there is the Latort, Big Spring, Falling Spring, Green Spring, and many other just a little farther. Visit the Yellow Breeches Outfitter in Boiling Spring. They are located right in town on the little pond off Rt 174. The folks are friendly and knowledgable. PS – The spring creeks can be tough!!
Jim: What’s your question? What other streams to fish? Well, I used to live in College Park and would drive to the Cumberland Valley steams almost every week. Start with the Yellow Breeches around Allenberry (although you may want to go during the week to avoid crowds), try the Letort and Falling Spring Branch, visit a couple of fly shops or sporting goods stores: you’ll have lots choices, most easily accessed. Just go. If you’re worried about wasting time wandering around, get a book like Charles Meck’s "Pennsylvania Trout Streams." You can get it from Angler’s Art (800-848-1020). Also, check out http://flystream.com/ for info on flyfishing MD and PA. Have fun, JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I live in Frederick,Maryland and am interested in streams to fish for trout in pennsylvania especially the "Yellow Breeches" Thanks Jim
I live in Frederick,Maryland and am interested in streams to fish for trout in pennsylvania especially the "Yellow Breeches" Thanks Jim
I live in Frederick,Maryland and am interested in streams to fish for trout in pennsylvania especially the "Yellow Breeches" Thanks Jim
Here’s two sites recently sent to me, they might help out some in the beginning. Coming from the Ohio side though, that’s about all I can offer. http://www.paflyfish.easetech.com/ www.state.pa.us/Fish/pfbchom4.htm Steve
Hi, My name is Curt Threlkeld and I am looking for names, numbers, addresses, etc. of fly fishing shops or individuals that I can put on my mailing list. I live 60 miles south of Cancun, Mexico very close to Boca Paila and Acension Bay. The village is called Puerto Aventuras. I rent beach front condos and work call my toll free 888-803-8454 or visit my web site http://www.bluecaribbean.com .Thank you
visit my web site http://www.bluecaribbean.com .Thank you
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I recently moved to Atlanta, GA and was wondering if anyone knew of any good spots to fly fish around here…Either wet or dry flies…Possibly on the Chattahoochee River?? Any help will do.. Thanks in Advance RONNY
Suggest Jimmy Jacobs books on "fly fishing North Georgia" -or- "trout streams of southern Appalachias". Your local fly shops should have these books. There are also several good sites on the net. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently moved to Atlanta, GA and was wondering if anyone knew of any good spots to fly fish around here…Either wet or dry flies…Possibly on the Chattahoochee River?? Any help will do.. Thanks in Advance RONNY
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else? Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man? Greenbacks? Lahontans? Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure? Or have they been augmented by Man at any time? I’d really love to know. Is there a good book on this topic? JE
Try the south fork of the Flathead river. Only has native west slope cutthroats and dolly varden. both are thriving, and are natives. little hard to reach though…. in the bob Marshall Wilderness…. which is why they are still natives.
I’m on the other side of the mountains, but there are a few little small streams coming down out of the mountains near my house have have native brookies. And 8 incher is a lunker, but they’re gorgeous.
Apache trout are still found in decent numbers in one watershed on the eastern Sierra, but no fishing is allowed and it is patrolled by a back country ranger whose only territory is that particular watershed.
OOOOOOPPPPS!! This was supposed to say Piute Cutthroat, not Apache trout. Sorry ’bout that, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? Jon, I don’t know a lot about many places, but wild native Brook Trout are still to be found in a few of the spring creek headwaters in the Appalachians (North Georgia, N.C.) but they are having a real tough time surviving the ever encroaching effects of man. As I’m sure you’re aware, the Brookie needs colder, clearer water than most freshwater species, and this presents a problem as the streams warm due to the activities on or near the various watershed. Also, they cannot fend for themselves when pitted against Browns and Rainbows for a limited food supply. Sadly, another problem that the little brookies have is that they have a reputation of being too easy, and too small (we’re not talking Labrador here) so they don’t get a lot of attention.
Here in the eastern part of Tn we still have some native brookies. It looks like they are coming back. I recently caught and released a 10 inch brook trout and caught many more of lesser caliber. Hans
Fereira) writes: Do you know if the "Eagle Lake" rainbow is considered "native"?
Yes, it is native to Eagle Lake in Northern CA but has also been transplanted to lots of otherwise dead waters or to places where water is too alkaline for other types of trout including more common strains of rainbows . This particular strain can tolerate higher alkalinity than normal trout. They also get REAL BIG! Good Fishing, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools
Yep! Terry Weir is right. Every fish I catch is a native, wild fish! Love that salt water biodiversity too! Wayne Marshall
I think the brookies in Shenandoah NP are native. — Charlie… You weren’t supposed to tell
OOPs<g. They are so pretty though and hard enough to catch that I hope I didn’t do any harm. I can remember hiking back in a couple of miles, suprising a bear or two, and crawling up behind a boulder to make a cast into a pool that couldn’t have been much bigger than the inside of my rental car. What a lot of fun! — Charlie…
Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else? Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man? Greenbacks? Lahontans? Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure? Or have they been augmented by Man at any time? I’d really love to know. Is there a good book on this topic? JE
I think the brookies in Shenandoah NP are native. — Charlie…
I think the brookies in Shenandoah NP are native. — Charlie…
You weren’t supposed to tell
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? JE <snip you would like the book "Native Trout of North America" by Robert H. Smith published by Amato Publications. this book is a search for native, pure strain fish. lots of searching of the high desert, tiny streams, etc. pretty good reading too. he goes after the fish with a fly rod. I second the recommendation for Robert H. Smiths book. It’s been my resourse for any question that have come up in the group over the past few years. John Fereira
Yes; also for a strictly scientific approach to this interesting subject, try Robert J. Behnke’s monograph of western trouts: _Native Trout of Western North America_ pub. by: American Fisheries Society 5410 Grosvenor Lane, Suite 110 Bethesda, MD 20814 Cheers, and tight Lines! – Mark
: Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the : continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the [snip] : Man at any time? I’d really love to know. Is there a good book on this : topic? Read Lewis and Clark’s Journal. The same fish are still here in this part of the world. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
Otherwise thank all your angler fellows introducing brook trout, rainbows, and – even worse- brown trout (of course with WD) into rivers where they outcompete the natives.
[deleted] Then the hypocritical irony of calling these the ‘wild fish’ and not wanting to eat ‘em because they are beautiful wild fish. TimW
ry the Atlantic ocean. Native Stripers and Blues up to 30 lbs or more on a fly. That’s fishin! Terry Weir Right on Terry. I grew up on Long Island sound and looked forward to every autum for a shot at those really BIG Blues. I was speaking specifically of trout in the post though. By the way, how is the Bluefish run shaping up this year? It’s been a long time…… JE
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else? Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man? Greenbacks? Lahontans? Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure? Or have they been augmented by Man at any time? I’d really love to know. Is there a good book on this topic? California is loaded with native rainbows. They are indiginous to the west slope of the sierra and are wide spread with many identifiable strains.
Do you know if the "Eagle Lake" rainbow is considered "native"? The giant Lahontan Cutthroat is gone for good, but some "almost" pure strain can still be found in the Eastern Sierra and in Pyramid Lake in Nevada. The population in Pyramid Lake is artificially spawned each year by the Indians who control the Lake. The original strain was wiped out with Bureau of Land Management project #1 which was the Darby Dam on the Truckee River.
The Piute cutthroat can still be found in it’s native waters in an area a bit further south. Ralph Cutter has some great info on these trout in his book "Sierra Trout Guide".
Agreed. Robert Behnke has a good book out on Native Trout of North America (think that’s the title) but it is hard to find and expensive.
Actually Behnke’s book is called "Native Trout of Western North America". Robert Smiths book is called "Native Trout of North America". Hope this helps, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else? Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man? Greenbacks? Lahontans? Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure? Or have they been augmented by Man at any time? I’d really love to know. Is there a good book on this topic? JE you would like the book "Native Trout of North America" by Robert H. Smith published by Amato Publications. this book is a search for native, pure strain fish. lots of searching of the high desert, tiny streams, etc. pretty good reading too. he goes after the fish with a fly rod.
I second the recommendation for Robert H. Smiths book. It’s been my resourse for any question that have come up in the group over the past few years. John Fereira Stop Unsolicited Commercial Email – Join CAUCE (http://www.cauce.org) Support HR 1748, the anti-spam bill.
Try the Atlantic ocean. Native Stripers and Blues up to 30 lbs or more on a fly. That’s fishin! Terry Weir
Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else? Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man? Greenbacks? Lahontans? Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure? Or have they been augmented by Man at any time? I’d really love to know. Is there a good book on this topic?
California is loaded with native rainbows. They are indiginous to the west slope of the sierra and are wide spread with many identifiable strains. The Shasta rainbow is one strain that is found throughout northern CA, and the McCloud rainbow is still found in its native waters of the McCloud river in CA. Strange thing, McCloud has the Shasta Rainbow and the McCloud (subspecies) in the same water along with the non-native brown trout (two strains of that one also). Pure strain McCloud rainbows are easily discerned by their tangerine orange stripe and cheeks along with orange cuts under the chin. Not often caught, but spectacular fish. There is not a question what it is when you catch one. Specific strains of Steelhead have been all but wiped out in many areas, But some native runs survive. Skamania Strain (Washington state strain from Skamania River) hatchery replacements were introduced in many of the rivers to mitigate the destruction (and continued destruction) of their habitat. Poor attempt at a solution. Apache trout are still found in decent numbers in one watershed on the eastern Sierra, but no fishing is allowed and it is patrolled by a back country ranger whose only territory is that particular watershed. Numerous fly fishing clubs have helped with stream reconstruction projects ther to help repair damage from grazing cattle. The giant Lahontan Cutthroat is gone for good, but some "almost" pure strain can still be found in the Eastern Sierra and in Pyramid Lake in Nevada. The population in Pyramid Lake is artificially spawned each year by the Indians who control the Lake. The original strain was wiped out with Bureau of Land Management project #1 which was the Darby Dam on the Truckee River. Although they thought they provided for it, the dam wiped out all of the spawning area and within a few years, the 40 lb. + Lahontan Cutthroat were gone. Used to be a cannery at the mouth of the Lake that netted fish, canned them, and shipped them throughout the world in the 1800’s. Was a booming industry until the dam. They did find some pockets of the Lahontan Cutthroat in some lakes on the east slope of the Sierra and that is what is currently in Pyramid Lake. There is some controversy as to whether they are pure strain or not, but they don’t grow nearly as large as the native strain that was in Pyramid Lake. Still catch 8 to 15 lb. Cutthroat there, but not much chance of breaking that 40 lb. record. Goldens can still be found in the Kern drainage (native waters), but few are pure strain as there were hatchery plants again in the 1800’s when rainbow hatcheries were thought to be the best thing since sliced bread. There are some pure strain fish still in there that were geologically isolated from the drainage they dumped the rainbow plants in. Ralph Cutter has some great info on these trout in his book "Sierra Trout Guide". We also have lots of native squaw fish but they are not much of a gamefish and they predate on salmonids. Robert Behnke has a good book out on Native Trout of North America (think that’s the title) but it is hard to find and expensive. Hope this helps, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools
Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? snip< JE
Try Maine, Jon. There are still places producing fairly good size native brook trout. And, the landlock salmon fishing ain’t too shabby either. However, I believe the landlocks were stocked as fingerlings years ago. Of course you may have trouble finding *exactly* where to go. ;0) Dave L.
Anyone out there know where the native trout are? I mean, where in the continental US can a person fish for trout that are native to the watershed they’re in presently, and have been there since before Man? I know up in the Sierra’s you can still catch Volcano creek and Kern river Goldens in what I think are their ancestral (sp?) waters, but where else? Are there still some Apache trout swimming where they always have, without the assistance of Man? Greenbacks? Lahontans? Are the Cutts in Yellowstone completely pure? Or have they been augmented by Man at any time? I’d really love to know. Is there a good book on this topic? JE
Take a look at Ralph Cutters book about the Sierra Nevada. Otherwise thank all your angler fellows introducing brook trout, rainbows, and – even worse- brown trout (of course with WD) into rivers where they outcompete the natives. Look at recent discussions about the reintroduction of native grayling into Yellowstone National Park and all the counterarguments of these f****** stupid fisherman who only want to catch lots of big fish without caring about ecological interconnections. The general agreement of environmental destruction (what else is the deminishing of species variety in a given biotop?) is responsible that you can
I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October. Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc. I will also need a guide for one day. Can anyone personally recommend someone? Thanks for your help, Mike
I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October. Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for
^^^^^^ I’d suggest the Pacific, just for ease of access. — Derek R. Larson Indiana University Dept. of History "Nothing interesting occurred today…" -Meriwether Lewis at Ft. Clatsop, Oregon, Jan.4th, 1806
writes: I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October. Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc. I will also need a guide for one day. Can anyone personally recommend someone?
In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town. Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October. Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc. I will also need a guide for one day. Can anyone personally recommend someone? In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town. Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland
I show that the number is 503-642-4570 for Glenn Young. Don Chen Mid-Willamette Fly Fishers (Corvallis, Oregon)
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October. Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc. I will also need a guide for one day. Can anyone personally recommend someone? In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town. Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland
You can contact Glenn at (503) 642-4570. I’ve fished with Glenn a number of times and he is top notch and his rates are very reasonable. Be SURE to try the searun cutthroat–best fly rod fish in the state!! Paul
That’s a pretty good time of year to try sight fishing to steelhead in the "skinny water" high up on any of the coastal rivers. Greg in Albany – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: I’m planning a trip to the Portland, Oregon area the first week of October. Can anybody provide advice on rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. for fishing, including spin and bait fishing for sturgeon, walleyes, steelhead, etc. I will also need a guide for one day. Can anyone personally recommend someone? In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town. Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland
In that time slot, I’d try the Upper Clackamas for late summer steelhead and/or the Wilson for searun cutthroats, both pretty close to town. Glenn Young of Beaverton OR is a very good guide for ffing in the Tillamook Bay area, but I can’t find his phone number –perhaps another ROFFer can supply it. –Roger, Portland
Glenn Young’s number: Hackle and Hide Glenn Young (503)642-4570
writes: `Planing a trip tp Baum Lake soon. Any recommendatins as to feel of the lake and suggestions recommended. Is float-yube a good idea for Baum?
Float tubes are fine, but Baum Lake is really more like a slow moving section of Hat Creek than a real lake and there is a current in it. If you use a tube, use an anchor, and be prepared to walk back from the far end of the lake as it is easier to walk back than to kick your tube back up current. A pram or better yet a canoe is a better choice if you have one. Good fishing, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again. So what if they eat other fish? If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).
`Planing a trip tp Baum Lake soon. Any recommendatins as to feel of the lake and suggestions recommended. Is float-yube a good idea for Baum?
Yes, a float tube, pram or canoe are all good ideas for Baum. Take in some stream fishing in the area too. But be careful fishing under the powerlines if you visit Hat Creek Powerhouse#2 riffle. They have a magnetic effect that causes otherwise sane anglers to wade and cast within ten feet of each other. Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html
`Planing a trip tp Baum Lake soon. Any recommendatins as to feel of the lake and suggestions recommended. Is float-yube a good idea for Baum?
I would say that a float tube venture is ok, but there is a good enough flow that it will make getting back a bit tuff. However, there is a trail on one side of the lake that you can return on. Personally, I use a canoe. Always play it safe! Johnny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – `Planing a trip tp Baum Lake soon. Any recommendatins as to feel of the lake and suggestions recommended. Is float-yube a good idea for Baum?
Roger– Try Art Flick’s Streamside Guide, an antiquated but fairly accurate book on mayflies, and Gary LaFontaine’s Caddisflies. Try getting your hands on some entomological field guides from your nearest college library. Remember that nothing beats walking around in a stream catching the insects yourself. Ned Stankus
Since I am really into fly fishing I would like to learn more about the various hatches and what to look for on the stream’s I fish. I own a copy of "Trout Stream Insects" by Dick Pobst but find I still can not identify all the hatches and what imitation to use. If anyone knows of a good reference book please let me know. * 1st 1.11 #1315 * The problem with the future is it turns into the present. |_|_| PC-Ohio PCBoard OLS pcohio.com HST 16.8: 216-381-3320 |_|_| The Best BBS in America Cleveland, OH V34 28.8: 216-691-3030
I’ve heard that the anticipated heavy run off from melting snow around Sun Valley, Idaho will have local streams and the Wood River running so fast that the fly fishing won’t be worth while until late August. I was planning a trip there in late June-early July. Does anyone know if high run off has this effect, and anything about what is likely along this line in July?
I’m not in Idaho, but in the nearby Rockies, the snow pack is heavy and continues to build, I would say that free stone rivers will be less fishable until later summer. The banks and protected, slower portions of the rivers will be OK but wading into positon is dangerous.Float fishing will not be optimal. Even tail water fisheries may effected as the dams dump water. Of course, the spring creeks will be less effected but are limited in access.
Daren, I spoke with a friend of mine in S.V. and yes the run off is expected to last into Aug. It will affect fishing, it is even expected to effect Silver Creeek. Change your trip to a tail water if possible, how about the Missiouri river below Holter Lake in Mont. or the Kootenai river in Mont. Best of luck. Regards, Joe writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve heard that the anticipated heavy run off from melting snow around Sun Valley, Idaho will have local streams and the Wood River running so fast that the fly fishing won’t be worth while until late August. I was planning a trip there in late June-early July. Does anyone know if high run off has this effect, and anything about what is likely along this line in July?
: I’ve heard that the anticipated heavy run off from melting snow around Sun : Valley, Idaho will have local streams and the Wood River running so fast : that the fly fishing won’t be worth while until late August. I was : planning a trip there in late June-early July. Does anyone know if high : run off has this effect, and anything about what is likely along this line : in July? It is almost certain the rivers will be near maximum during the period you mentioned. Many high rivers drop fast after maximum, so things may not be that bad. I’ll check the flow chart tonight and provide more specific information soon. One thing to keep in mind is that the tributaries to the Wood will probably be better than the main river, but the season on the tribs doesn’t open until July 1. The rivers become large and fast and remain cold during runoff. The fish will not be feeding due to the temperature and will be difficult to find due to the high water. I think the stretch near Sun Valley is popular among kayakers so I would guess it is difficult to wade during high water, as well. Rick — T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | These University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | are mine.