I have a 9′ for 5 that I built a couple of years ago. In the right hands it seems to cast a good line. Medium to medium fast action. If you would like, you could stop by and try it the next time you are headed to Cornwall. Chris Richer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My only Talon rod is a light 10.5 ft spinning rod, so I really don’t know. Angler’s Workshop always lists a small number of Talon blanks in their catalog. You might want to give them a call to see if they will tell you anything about them. Thanks, found it. It’s in their VI Plus series. I’ve never casted a Talon or even held one in my hands, do you know what they’re like? Remove "XX" from address
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I have a 9′ for 5 that I built a couple of years ago. In the right hands it seems to cast a good line. Medium to medium fast action. If you would like, you could stop by and try it the next time you are headed to Cornwall. Chris Richer
I appreciate that Rick, I’ll be in Cornwall, Saturday, September 21st. If that’s OK for you I can send you my phone number and we can arrange something – maybe chase a few smallies. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
still trying to find a good anchoring system to use with my kayak. The dealer kit [anchor off bow and line to cleat beside cockpit] forces the boat to face upstream or upwind according to the conditions. This forces me to cast into wind and fight fish around anchor line. Also I cannot get to anchor if it gets hung up. Anyone got a suggestion for a better rig.? Joe McIntosh
Petah I’d look at http://www.tomwhite.com I’ve gotten several of his GLoomis IMX blems and they’ve been turned into fine rods. He’s friendly, has good service and ships at 1/2 of warp speed. YMMV Flyfish
I’ve sent him an email – we’ll see what happens. Thanks Peter Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Anyone have a source for spey rod blems (or just a good source for spey blanks)? Winter’s coming up and I’ve got an itch to build a new rod. Thanks, - Ken
Worth a try with Tom White, see my previous post. Flyfish
I looked up a few lists I had from a year or so ago and found that Talon makes a 4 pc 8.5 ft 7 weight blank, but on the order of US$165 or so. And if you strike out with everything else, you may want to at least check out Cabela’s 3 pc 8.5 ft 6-10 lb test spinning rod at $US79, don’t know if that particular blank is sold separately…
Thanks, found it. It’s in their VI Plus series. I’ve never casted a Talon or even held one in my hands, do you know what they’re like? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Apart from spending big bucks on a saltwater Vector or Heliply, I’m SOL.
Those are both nice rods, and would give you an excuse to do a little flats fishing now and then. <g — Charlie…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yup, I know. The 8′6" length 7wt. apparently is popular as a brookie rod for fishing on Quebec lakes out of canoes and boats. I found my old one to be ideal for steelheading out of a drift boat and for all day blind casting for smallies. There used to be a few different models on the market but I suppose the demand for them was low and they’ve been discontinued. Peter, If the only problem with the rods is portability, have you considered a car top carrier such as a Yakima or Thule? The cost would likely be about the same as a "good" rod, and could be used for other purposes as well. Just a thought.
I’ve looked at those before, but I’d rather have something that would fit in the trunk. I haul computers and manuals plus occasional suitcases all over Ontario for my job. It’s nice to be able to tuck in a couple of rods as well. I used to keep a Cabelas Stowaway 3 wt., a Daiwa 4/5 and a Cortland 8/9 (really a 9 wt.) in the a big bag in the back of my truck. It worked great but over time I found the Cortland to be too much rod for most of the fish and the Stowaway was redundant. I currently have a nice St. Croix 8 wt. but I lack spools and lines for it. OTOH, I have loads of 7 wt. lines mounted. So it’s six of one half-dozen of the other, do I buy more lines and spools for the 8 or buy a 7 wt. rod? I know what Wayne Knight would say, "Buy both." Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Apart from spending big bucks on a saltwater Vector or Heliply, I’m SOL. Those are both nice rods, and would give you an excuse to do a little flats fishing now and then. <g
If you could see the nice, shiny new 48" Thermador range in the kitchen of the nice, shiny new house, you’d know why Vector and Heliply are off my list. :) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yup, I know. The 8′6" length 7wt. apparently is popular as a brookie rod for fishing on Quebec lakes out of canoes and boats. I found my old one to be ideal for steelheading out of a drift boat and for all day blind casting for smallies. There used to be a few different models on the market but I suppose the demand for them was low and they’ve been discontinued. Peter, If the only problem with the rods is portability, have you considered a car top carrier such as a Yakima or Thule? The cost would likely be about the same as a "good" rod, and could be used for other purposes as well. Just a thought.
And if I may, why does it have to fit in the trunk? Is it a security thing, or…??? Either way, a couple of questions – are you willing to finish/refinish something, and does it have to graphite? TC, R
you’d know why Vector and Heliply are off my list. :)
Well, you don’t have to get both right away. <g — Charlie…
And if I may, why does it have to fit in the trunk? Is it a security thing, or…??? Either way, a couple of questions – are you willing to finish/refinish something, and does it have to graphite? TC, R
I know that there are some fiberglass blanks kicking around in a 7 wt. (Fenglas?) but they generally don’t have the horsepower to handle wind, etc. so that’s why I wasn’t really considering them. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
models on the market but I suppose the demand for them was low and they’ve been discontinued. Could you build one out of a 9′ 6wt blank that you cut back? Maybe I’m just showing my ignorance, Jon.
I considered that – get a cheap blank and chop 6" off the tip. However, I’d have to be very careful that I choose a blank that doesn’t exhibit a radical thickening of the blank just beyond the tip. Some of the cheaper ones I’ve had don’t maintain a thin tip very far down the blank. If I chopped one of those, I might end up with a one very brutal rod. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
I considered that – get a cheap blank and chop 6" off the tip.
What about a cheap "tip-flex" and cut 6" off the butt? — Charlie…
I considered that – get a cheap blank and chop 6" off the tip. What about a cheap "tip-flex" and cut 6" off the butt?
It’ll speed up the rod somewhat by the line rating probably won’t change. It’s probably the least risky of the two ends. Alternately, if I found an 11′ 4 piece, I just leave off the bottom piece. Daiwa has a few in that length that I should check out. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used to have a short 7 wt. and my son owns one too, unfortunately they are (were) both 2 piece rods and I need one that’ll fit in the trunk of the Golf. Apart from spending big bucks on a saltwater Vector or Heliply, I’m SOL. Anyone know of an affordable 8′6" multi piece 7 wt.? BTW, my previous short 7 wt. and my son’s are mostly used for smallies, small stream steelheading, and fishing from drift boats etc. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Petah I’d look at http://www.tomwhite.com I’ve gotten several of his GLoomis IMX blems and they’ve been turned into fine rods. He’s friendly, has good service and ships at 1/2 of warp speed. YMMV Flyfish
Petah I’d look at http://www.tomwhite.com I’ve gotten several of his GLoomis IMX blems and they’ve been turned into fine rods. He’s friendly, has good service and ships at 1/2 of warp speed.
Anyone have a source for spey rod blems (or just a good source for spey blanks)? Winter’s coming up and I’ve got an itch to build a new rod. Thanks, - Ken
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And if I may, why does it have to fit in the trunk? Is it a security thing, or…??? Either way, a couple of questions – are you willing to finish/refinish something, and does it have to graphite? TC, R I know that there are some fiberglass blanks kicking around in a 7 wt. (Fenglas?) but they generally don’t have the horsepower to handle wind, etc. so that’s why I wasn’t really considering them. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
I was actually thinking of the Eagle Claw/Wright and McGill travel rods (some are combo spin/fly) or "redesigning" something like an older (and cheaper) Silaflex or Conolon fiberglass rods out there by adding joints. You could find an old darlin’ for 10-20.00US (800CDN <G), and be done for under 100.00US and a small amount of time. FWIW, a lot of the old rods in the range in question will toss some line. Of course, they aren’t featherweights, and Lefty won’t wanna borrow your gear, but OTOH, Lefty won’t wanna borrow yer gear <G. And if some punk does "borrow" your gear, it ain’t the end of the world. TC, R
I used to have a short 7 wt. and my son owns one too, unfortunately they are (were) both 2 piece rods and I need one that’ll fit in the trunk of the Golf. Apart from spending big bucks on a saltwater Vector or Heliply, I’m SOL. Anyone know of an affordable 8′6" multi piece 7 wt.? BTW, my previous short 7 wt. and my son’s are mostly used for smallies, small stream steelheading, and fishing from drift boats etc. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Just lend me a 9 footer and it will be down to size in no time.
LOL got any spares? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Check out Temple Fork they have excellent pricing, good selection, I have used several of there rods and have been very happy.
I used to have a short 7 wt. and my son owns one too, unfortunately they are (were) both 2 piece rods and I need one that’ll fit in the trunk of the Golf. Apart from spending big bucks on a saltwater Vector or Heliply, I’m SOL. Anyone know of an affordable 8′6" multi piece 7 wt.? BTW, my previous short 7 wt. and my son’s are mostly used for smallies, small stream steelheading, and fishing from drift boats etc. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at
http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Check out Temple Fork they have excellent pricing, good selection, I have used several of there rods and have been very happy.
will do, thanks Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Hi Peter, You might have trouble finding a # 7 multipiece shorter than 9′. Orvis might have something. The Redington "Wayfarrer" 9′ #7, 5 pc is $195. The St.Croix "Avid" 9′ #7, 3 pc is $220. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com 800/400-0359 toll free USA
I used to have a short 7 wt. and my son owns one too, unfortunately they are (were) both 2 piece rods and I need one that’ll fit in the trunk of the Golf. Apart from spending big bucks on a saltwater Vector or Heliply, I’m SOL. Anyone know of an affordable 8′6" multi piece 7 wt.? BTW, my previous short 7 wt. and my son’s are mostly used for smallies, small stream steelheading, and fishing from drift boats etc. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at
http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Hi Peter, You might have trouble finding a # 7 multipiece shorter than 9′. Orvis might have something.
Yup, I know. The 8′6" length 7wt. apparently is popular as a brookie rod for fishing on Quebec lakes out of canoes and boats. I found my old one to be ideal for steelheading out of a drift boat and for all day blind casting for smallies. There used to be a few different models on the market but I suppose the demand for them was low and they’ve been discontinued. I already own a 9′6" T&T Horizon steelhead 7 wt. so there isn’t much advantage to drop to a 9 footer vs. the 9′6" I’ve used this rod in boats as well and it’s much more cumbersome for casting, manoeuvering around in the boat, and landing fish. Its size and weight makes it less than ideal for all day casting. I’ve mainly used it for nymphing and swinging wets for steelhead, a role for which it excels. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html
Yup, I know. The 8′6" length 7wt. apparently is popular as a brookie rod for fishing on Quebec lakes out of canoes and boats. I found my old one to be ideal for steelheading out of a drift boat and for all day blind casting for smallies. There used to be a few different models on the market but I suppose the demand for them was low and they’ve been discontinued.
Peter, If the only problem with the rods is portability, have you considered a car top carrier such as a Yakima or Thule? The cost would likely be about the same as a "good" rod, and could be used for other purposes as well. Just a thought. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"
I just graduated from a boat building school here in Maine and have got several job offers along the east coast. Now that I’ve taken up fly-fishing I’ve found that a potential job MUST include good fishing waters. One job is in St. Micheals, MD, several are on the Mass coast (Buzzard’s Bay and Cape Ann) and one in York County, ME. I’m sure all of these are great for striper, but would anyone know about freshwater opportunities?
I just graduated from a boat building school here in Maine and have got several job offers along the east coast. Now that I’ve taken up fly-fishing I’ve found that a potential job MUST include good fishing waters. One job is in St. Micheals, MD, several are on the Mass coast (Buzzard’s Bay and Cape Ann) and one in York County, ME. I’m sure all of these are great for striper, but would anyone know about freshwater opportunities?
As a MD resident, I can offer that St. Michael’s is a thoroughly beautiful little town, full of history, and surrounded by some of the best sailing, fishing, and crabbing anywhere. The surrounding area is mostly rustic, farmlands, salt marsh and chicken houses, except for the nearby town of Easton. It’s also some of the best seafood eatin’ anywhere. You’re only about a half-hour drive from Annapolis, one of the sailing capitals of the world. People spend hours driving and sailing to St. Michales for recreation, relaxation, and honeymoons. And you’d be *living* there. Cool. Downsides – In reality, it’s boring. They roll up the sidewalks after dark, and you’re a hundred miles from the nearest trout (there are, however, some big bass in farm ponds.) I’ve visited both Cape Ann, MA and York, ME and loved both places. Love Gloucester, love Maine in general. I’d jump at the chance to work in either; but the grass is always greener, eh? Joe F.
I just graduated from a boat building school here in Maine and have got several job offers along the east coast. Now that I’ve taken up fly-fishing I’ve found that a potential job MUST include good fishing waters. One job is in St. Micheals, MD, several are on the Mass coast (Buzzard’s Bay and Cape Ann) and one in York County, ME. I’m sure all of these are great for striper, but would anyone know about freshwater opportunities?
If you have to ask this question with regards to Maine, you’d best stay down in Maryland as you clearly won’t be able to pass the entrance exam… /daytripper
James Carroll: I just graduated from a boat building school here in Maine and have got several job offers along the east coast. Now that I’ve taken up fly-fishing I’ve found that a potential job MUST include good fishing waters. One job is in St. Micheals, MD, several are on the Mass coast (Buzzard’s Bay and Cape Ann) and one in York County, ME. I’m sure all of these are great for striper, but would anyone know about freshwater opportunities?
Maine offers great freshwater fishing in many of its cold rivers and ponds. I live in Massachusetts; I fish in Maine. I go to Maryland for crabs. Dave LaCourse
Maine offers great freshwater fishing in many of its cold rivers and ponds. I live in Massachusetts; I fish in Maine. I go to Maryland for crabs.
Much to the consternation of The Lovely Joanne ;^)
I just graduated from a boat building school here in Maine and have got several job offers along the east coast. Now that I’ve taken up fly-fishing I’ve found that a potential job MUST include good fishing waters. One job is in St. Micheals, MD, several are on the Mass coast (Buzzard’s Bay and Cape Ann) and one in York County, ME. I’m sure all of these are great for striper, but would anyone know about freshwater opportunities?
Maryland does indeed have fresh water. Pay no attention to that sulphur smell. The water does not leave those rusty stains like it does in Mass. Main has fresh water also. I just never figured out why those people wear rubber boots at all hours day and night!??! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.
Tripper writes: Maine offers great freshwater fishing in many of its cold rivers and ponds. I live in Massachusetts; I fish in Maine. I go to Maryland for crabs. Much to the consternation of The Lovely Joanne ;^)
My living, fishing, or crabbing? Ahhhh, all three — I see, I see. <g D.
Maine offers great freshwater fishing in many of its cold rivers and ponds. I live in Massachusetts; I fish in Maine. I go to Maryland for crabs. Dave LaCourse
Funny, I moved to MD three weeks ago and I haven’t had a case of crabs yet. Frank "got the hammer ready" Reid
Frank Reid writes: Maine offers great freshwater fishing in many of its cold rivers and ponds. I live in Massachusetts; I fish in Maine. I go to Maryland for crabs. Dave LaCourse Funny, I moved to MD three weeks ago and I haven’t had a case of crabs yet. Frank "got the hammer ready" Reid
That is probably because you are not "active", Frank. I’ve seen you Air Force types on liberty in Japan, the Phillipines, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Cape Town, Cadiz, Rome, Paris, Bremen, London, Rio, Panama City, and T-town. Youse guys knit too much and play too much cribbage! <g Dave L. "The sag is getting *really* bad!"
Dave, Its not liberty when you live there. Frank "ah, not another night on the town in the P.I.!" Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That is probably because you are not "active", Frank. I’ve seen you Air Force types on liberty in Japan, the Phillipines, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Cape Town, Cadiz, Rome, Paris, Bremen, London, Rio, Panama City, and T-town. Youse guys knit too much and play too much cribbage! <g Dave L. "The sag is getting *really* bad!"
I’ve seen you Air Force types on liberty in Japan, the Phillipines, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Cape Town, Cadiz, Rome, Paris, Bremen, London, Rio, Panama City, and T-town. Youse guys knit too much and play too much cribbage! <g
That’s weird. I’ve been in a few ‘liberty’ areas and never saw any Air Force guys at all, but then that’s not what I was looking for<g. — Charlie…
Frank Reid: Dave, Its not liberty when you live there.
I lived in many of those places too. It is *still* liberty. <g Dave LaCourse
James, I live in NH and fish ME and MA frequently. My advice is if you are looking or freshwater fishing opportunities, stay in Maine…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just graduated from a boat building school here in Maine and have got several job offers along the east coast. Now that I’ve taken up fly-fishing I’ve found that a potential job MUST include good fishing waters. One job is in St. Micheals, MD, several are on the Mass coast (Buzzard’s Bay and Cape Ann) and one in York County, ME. I’m sure all of these are great for striper, but would anyone know about freshwater opportunities?
I resent that remark you swab, I caught the worse case of clap I ever had, in Bankok Thailand, and it twern’t from knitting, it came from laying Thais….(we called that "playing railroad") [as in, "c'mon, let's go lay a few Thais] My God, that *do* bring back the memories! Frank (almost cured) Church
|Frank Reid writes:
| | Maine offers great freshwater fishing in many of its cold rivers and |ponds. I | live in Massachusetts; I fish in Maine. I go to Maryland for crabs. | Dave LaCourse | | Funny, I moved to MD three weeks ago and I haven’t had a case of |crabs yet. | Frank "got the hammer ready" Reid | |That is probably because you are not "active", Frank. I’ve seen you Air Force |types on liberty in Japan, the Phillipines, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Cape |Town, Cadiz, Rome, Paris, Bremen, London, Rio, Panama City, and T-town. Youse |guys knit too much and play too much cribbage! <g | |Dave L. |"The sag is getting *really* bad!" | | |
I resent that remark you swab, I caught the worse case of clap I ever had, in Bankok Thailand, and it twern’t from knitting, it came from laying Thais….(we called that "playing railroad") [as in, "c'mon, let's go lay a few Thais] My God, that *do* bring back the memories!
Thanks Frank! Anybody out there know how to clean coffee off a keyboard? 
Wolfgang wondering where my tai went
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I resent that remark you swab, I caught the worse case of clap I ever had, in Bankok Thailand, and it twern’t from knitting, it came from laying Thais….(we called that "playing railroad") [as in, "c'mon, let's go lay a few Thais] My God, that *do* bring back the memories! Thanks Frank! Anybody out there know how to clean coffee off a keyboard? Wolfgang wondering where my tai went
i will never again look upon a christmas thai in the same frame of mind. wayno
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We caught a nice break in the weather this early afternoon so I put on my Fall Ball cap and took my newly acquired 9/3 Winston out for a few hours of peaceful fishing on a very local bass pond. I combined the fishing with experimentation with three different lines that I had laying about, a DT2F, a WF3F, and a TT2/3. Tripper, Great story! And it’s nice to know that I’m not the only other person on ROFF who has been fishing recently, what with the "To Whom It May Concern" mega-crisis (did anyone report this to the ACLU? to the UN? to Al Gore?) to deal with and everything.
aw, hell, steve, you aren’t about to buy that yankee bullshit, are you? i’ve fished with him; he couldn’t throw a *rock* 90′, let alone a fly line. and besides, the only winston i have (7′ 2wt) is a beautiful thing to see, but a touch too weak in the butt for my tastes. ok, i’ll come clean: the rascal *can* fish his fly! but the winston is still too soft! wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Of course, hearing your casting distance figures reminds me that it’s time for another casting lesson or two (or ten). –Steve
[snipped rock abuse] and besides, the only winston i have (7′ 2wt) is a beautiful thing to see, but a touch too weak in the butt for my tastes. ok, i’ll come clean: the rascal *can* fish his fly! but the winston is still too soft! wayno
Ah, another fellow flyflinger in distress… I feel your pain, too, counselor, and am more than prepared to relieve you of the cause. Send that "too soft" rod to a good home where it’ll be loved. You already have my address. /daytripper (still waitin’ on that paintin’, btw ;^)
… Hmmm, the 7.5/3wt (3pc) we’ve both cast feels to me medium/slow; with a TT 3/4 and a Cortland Clear Creek WF3, never had a DT on it.
FWIW, the Winston recommended line for their IM6 rods is a DT. Tho I too fish my Winstons with a TT. I just picked up a Wulf long belly line and tried it with my five weight, wish I tried one sooner. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas but counting the days to the Keys Before you buy.
Our lips never touched – no matter what you might have heard ;^) /daytripper (never gonna live that one down…)
I believe what you said was you tried to *shotgun* a cigarette with it. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.
and besides, the only winston i have (7′ 2wt) is a beautiful thing to see, but a touch too weak in the butt for my tastes. ok, i’ll come clean: the rascal *can* fish his fly! but the winston is still too soft!
Wanna trade a Sage 2wt SPL for it? — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.
Thank you for the post. I like it. — Vern ^^^^^^^ (o)-(o)/ " ___ Before you buy.
FWIW, the Winston recommended line for their IM6 rods is a DT. Tho I too fish my Winstons with a TT. I just picked up a Wulf long belly line and tried it with my five weight, wish I tried one sooner.
You’re learning, Wayne ;^)
FWIW, the Winston recommended line for their IM6 rods is a DT. Tho I too fish my Winstons with a TT. I just picked up a Wulf long belly line and tried it with my five weight, wish I tried one sooner. You’re learning, Wayne ;^)
I never stop learning Mr Tripper, — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.
and besides, the only winston i have (7′ 2wt) is a beautiful thing to see, but a touch too weak in the butt for my tastes. ok, i’ll come clean: the rascal *can* fish his fly! but the winston is still too soft! Wanna trade a Sage 2wt SPL for it?
no thanks, bud; a friend of mine got rid of his sage 2wt when he couldn’t get it to load up under 20′ with a 6wt tri-taper… just kiddin, of course; but the winston was custom made for me, has my name on the butt, and has become one of the things my two boys will fight over, one of these days. wayno
… With the exception of my temporarily "indisposed" 7.5/2wt, every Winston I own or have cast could be categorized as having a medium action (the little 2wt is surprisingly fast). …
Hmmm, the 7.5/3wt (3pc) we’ve both cast feels to me medium/slow; with a TT 3/4 and a Cortland Clear Creek WF3, never had a DT on it. — Ken Fortenberry
/daytripper ("Bullwinkle"? Where’d *that* come from?)
Foggy brain on my part. Rocky used to say, "and now for something we hope you really like." or something to that effect. Then again I remember hearing of you romancing a moose, once <g. Mu
Hmmm, the 7.5/3wt (3pc) we’ve both cast feels to me medium/slow; with a TT 3/4 and a Cortland Clear Creek WF3, never had a DT on it.
Well, as I said, some people would feel that way. I fished your rod with the DT2F that I use on my two weight, and it cast very nicely with it – it felt "medium-fast" with that line, threw nice tight loops, and on the only river big enough to air it out a little (the Harrison) I ran out of room before I ran out of line. (Ya know, I almost asked you to sell that rod to me back then ;^) I suspect the TT3/4 would overload it, though I could be wrong. If you can find someone who has a TT2/3, you might be pleasantly surprised (that is, unless you like the slower action). Otherwise, bring it to Maine with you next fall, and you can try out a whole bunch of lines on it. /daytripper (Or let me do it ;^)
/daytripper ("Bullwinkle"? Where’d *that* come from?) Foggy brain on my part. Rocky used to say, "and now for something we hope you really like." or something to that effect.
Yup – you have an excellent memory! This similar quote, however, is from the Monty Python tv show. Then again I remember hearing of you romancing a moose, once <g.
Our lips never touched – no matter what you might have heard ;^) /daytripper (never gonna live that one down…)
Now you’ve got me dreaming. One of the local stores has an RPL 390 blank in its discount bin. Maybe if it’s still there after Xmas . . . Peter
We caught a nice break in the weather this early afternoon so I put on my Fall Ball cap and took my newly acquired 9/3 Winston out for a few hours of peaceful fishing on a very local bass pond. I combined the fishing with experimentation with three different lines that I had laying about, a DT2F, a WF3F, and a TT2/3.
Tripper, Great story! And it’s nice to know that I’m not the only other person on ROFF who has been fishing recently, what with the "To Whom It May Concern" mega-crisis (did anyone report this to the ACLU? to the UN? to Al Gore?) to deal with and everything. Of course, hearing your casting distance figures reminds me that it’s time for another casting lesson or two (or ten). –Steve
Daytripper: Thanks for this thread. I have a friend who tried out my Scott G-series 3 weight at rezendevous about a month ago . He had never tried a slower action rod before and was impressed. I received an e-mail from him last week. He awaiting the arrival of his Winston 8.5 foot 3 weight rod. I just hope he enjoys it as much as you do your Winstons. Big Dale
Daytripper: Thanks for this thread. I have a friend who tried out my Scott G-series 3 weight at rezendevous about a month ago . He had never tried a slower action rod before and was impressed.
I’m partial to the G series rods too. I’m thinking about telling Santa about their new 8′ 3 piece 2 wt<g. — Charlie…
We caught a nice break in the weather this early afternoon so I put on my Fall Ball cap and took my newly acquired 9/3 Winston The TT2/3 was the monster of the three – turned this rod into a mini-howitzer; once I had the feel for the rod, the entire line could be cast with moderate effort
Thanks Bullwinkle. BTW, I haven’t ever touched a Winston IM6 but I thought they were supposed to be moderate action rods. Is it actually a fast rod or are you a very good caster? Mu
We caught a nice break in the weather this early afternoon so I put on my Fall Ball cap and took my newly acquired 9/3 Winston The TT2/3 was the monster of the three – turned this rod into a mini-howitzer; once I had the feel for the rod, the entire line could be cast with moderate effort Thanks Bullwinkle. BTW, I haven’t ever touched a Winston IM6 but I thought they were supposed to be moderate action rods. Is it actually a fast rod or are you a very good caster?
With the exception of my temporarily "indisposed" 7.5/2wt, every Winston I own or have cast could be categorized as having a medium action (the little 2wt is surprisingly fast). The 9/3 might even be termed medium-slow by some. But if you get in tune with your thumb on the top of the grip, you can really get their IM6 rods to zing line (I’ve often thrown the entire DT2F on my little 2 weight with surprisingly little effort when I’m really in sync with that rod). I have been flyfishing for almost 36 years now, and while I’m not going to win any casting championships, I can throw a line. But you have to have tried a Wulff Triangle Taper line to understand that if distance is the game, a TT will give you an almost unfair advantage. This is a weight forward line with a stepless front taper and no rear taper to speak of; and the running line has an unusually thin diameter and a hard surface. The result is so little guide friction or wind resistance that it just shoots like crazy, and an 80 foot cast doesn’t require a champion to achieve (90 foot line minus the length of the rod). When I let the first good cast fly with this line, I had about 60 feet of line out – and it really jerked the reel but good, such was the line speed. Surprised the heck out of me, so I just kept feeding out more line until I hit the backing. On my best casts with the little nymph on the end, I was shooting over twenty feet of line off the ground and through the guides. Very satisfying, if impractical under most circumstances. With anything more wind resistant than that nymph, I could get the line out but it didn’t have enough terminal velocity to do much more than puddle the leader at the far end of the cast. After all the above, however, in truth I prefer DT lines for their versatility and typically softer "landing" characteristic, and I’ll probably try an SA or DT3F on this rod before next spring. The WF3 and TT2/3 were my dad’s lines for one of his cane rods that I also inherited. They provide impressive results wrt distance, and I’ll keep them at the ready, but I’d rather have the DT for every day use. /daytripper ("Bullwinkle"? Where’d *that* come from?)
Daytripper, We caught a nice break in the weather this early afternoon so I put on my Fall Ball cap and took my newly acquired 9/3 Winston out for a few hours of peaceful fishing on a very local bass pond.
What part of the world are you in? Out here in Northern CA, it seems a bit too wintry for bassin’. I love fishing small poppers, btw. Even the smallest sunfish often explode from the water with the gaudy bug firmly clenched, making more than their fair share of commotion as they splash down. Short strip, wait, short strip, wait, wiggle and wait, then WHAMMO!
I’m another popper lover. Each winter I make up a bunch of balsa poppers and enjoy the anticipation of March. Too bad it had to end so early (goddamned daylight savings time!)
Yeah… Glad you got some fishin’ in. Wes Peterson LexCraft Data Services
OK – YOU SUCCEEDED I am Jealous. Bill
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We caught a nice break in the weather this early afternoon so I put on my Fall Ball cap and took my newly acquired 9/3 Winston out for a few hours of peaceful fishing on a very local bass pond. I combined the fishing with experimentation with three different lines that I had laying about, a DT2F, a WF3F, and a TT2/3. fwiw, the DT2F definitely underlined the rod, which was to be expected, and made for too much work. The TT2/3 was the monster of the three – turned this rod into a mini-howitzer; once I had the feel for the rod, the entire line could be cast with moderate effort, although at that range the longish front taper didn’t turn over the popper-ladened leader consistently (though with a #14 Montana I could straighten the line at the same insane distance). The WF3F was quite enjoyable, loaded the rod quickly but not overly, and would deliver a small popper very nicely as far as ~70 feet before running out of line speed. So I left the WF on for the rest of the short outing, and woke up a bunch of long-eared sunnies along with a pair of foot-long large mouths. I usually fish this pond with my 9/5 but the 3-weight was a lot more fun on these li’l fellers, which put a goodly bend in the rod. I love fishing small poppers, btw. Even the smallest sunfish often explode from the water with the gaudy bug firmly clenched, making more than their fair share of commotion as they splash down. Short strip, wait, short strip, wait, wiggle and wait, then WHAMMO! Too cool! Between the fishing, the warmish weather, the heron stalking the band, and a very talkative pair of mallards cruising along, it was an entertaining few hours away from the ‘puters, which seem to be in a bad mood the last few days. Too bad it had to end so early (goddamned daylight savings time!) /daytripper (Peace, Love, Hair, Beads, Flowers, Fur Coats…and HATS!)
i know what my problem is, two huge school assignments hanging over my head and no fishing since Mu’s visit. Withdrawal is making me surly.
Pete, you of all people I find hard to picture as ever being surly! That Winston’s a lovely rod btw, enjoy heartily. I bet it would be great for brookies off the wing dam.
And indeed, this is what I had in mind when I decided I "needed" this particular model. On those days that the wind isn’t blasting up river off Pondy, it should be a riot! Can you imaging hooking a 20" wild brookie and holding it with a 3 wt on that river? Yikes! Hope you catch a break and get out before the water gets solid up there, Peter… /daytripper
Daytripper, What part of the world are you in? Out here in Northern CA, it seems a bit too wintry for bassin’.
Central Massachusetts, Wes. Indeed, normally the bass would be snoozin’ (don’t know about the sunnies – they always seem cooperative around here if they aren’t trapped under ice ;^) But we experienced a "Blazing Inferno" of a summer this year, and I think some ponds are just getting settled before winter creeps in. On a nice afternoon a fish or six can be still be raised with a tempting bug… Gotta get the last licks in before my mind turns to skiing. /daytripper
We caught a nice break in the weather this early afternoon so I put on my Fall Ball cap and took my newly acquired 9/3 Winston out for a few hours of peaceful fishing on a very local bass pond. I combined the fishing with experimentation with three different lines that I had laying about, a DT2F, a WF3F, and a TT2/3. fwiw, the DT2F definitely underlined the rod, which was to be expected, and made for too much work. The TT2/3 was the monster of the three – turned this rod into a mini-howitzer; once I had the feel for the rod, the entire line could be cast with moderate effort, although at that range the longish front taper didn’t turn over the popper-ladened leader consistently (though with a #14 Montana I could straighten the line at the same insane distance). The WF3F was quite enjoyable, loaded the rod quickly but not overly, and would deliver a small popper very nicely as far as ~70 feet before running out of line speed. So I left the WF on for the rest of the short outing, and woke up a bunch of long-eared sunnies along with a pair of foot-long large mouths. I usually fish this pond with my 9/5 but the 3-weight was a lot more fun on these li’l fellers, which put a goodly bend in the rod. I love fishing small poppers, btw. Even the smallest sunfish often explode from the water with the gaudy bug firmly clenched, making more than their fair share of commotion as they splash down. Short strip, wait, short strip, wait, wiggle and wait, then WHAMMO! Too cool! Between the fishing, the warmish weather, the heron stalking the band, and a very talkative pair of mallards cruising along, it was an entertaining few hours away from the ‘puters, which seem to be in a bad mood the last few days. Too bad it had to end so early (goddamned daylight savings time!) /daytripper (Peace, Love, Hair, Beads, Flowers, Fur Coats…and HATS!)
{ a lot of great Winston stuff snipped] Too cool! Between the fishing, the warmish weather, the heron stalking the band, and a very talkative pair of mallards cruising along, it was an entertaining few hours away from the ‘puters, which seem to be in a bad mood the last few days. Too bad it had to end so early (goddamned daylight savings time!) /daytripper (Peace, Love, Hair, Beads, Flowers, Fur Coats…and HATS!)
i know what my problem is, two huge school assignments hanging over my head and no fishing since Mu’s visit. Withdrawal is making me surly. That Winston’s a lovely rod btw, enjoy heartily. I bet it would be great for brookies off the wing dam. Peter
If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story… Last weekend my family and I went camping in Yosemite valley. I will not get into the planning and strategies necessary to camp with seven-month old twins for four nights but suffice to say that I was, by the grace of my dear wife, able to sneak away for a little fishing here and there. If you’ve never been there, well, it really is as pretty as you’ve heard. And much to my amazement, there are fish swimming in the Merced river — right by the spots that millions (well, hundreds of thousands, anyway) of tourists traverse each summer. I have always assumed that any water with that ease of access and that many people around would be fished out. But this isn’t the case here. I suppose that (a) the artificial fly regulations limit the casual baitfishing that often accompanies camping and (b) most people are there to see El Capitan, Half Dome, and the waterfalls. Anyway, as it turns out there were fish swimming in both the Merced and Tenaya Creek. The following is the story of one of those fish. The river is extremely low this time of year — not surprising — and the fishing was challenging. It was like fishing on a mirror, the water was so smooth, clear, and slow-moving. On the third morning I walked downstream until I got to a spot where Katy and I had seen fish the day before. The good news was they were rising. The bad news was I couldn’t figure out what they were rising to as nothing seemed to be coming off the water. I suspect they were taking emergers of some type but never really figured it out. I crawled to the water’s edge and started throwing out the usual suspects — small caddis, morning duns, light cahills, mosquitos, even a royal wulff. Nothing. Fish would rise just behind my fly so I hadn’t scared them — they had just taken a long look at my offering and found it wanting. Ok, that’s not working. I tried fishing a couple of these wet with the same effect. Just for kicks I tied on an ant and cast that under a few branches. Nothing. At this point I was getting a little frustrated — I’d been working this pool for practically two hours, watching fish rise the whole time, and hadn’t been able to elicit so much as a strike. I suppose I should have been happy that I hadn’t scared them yet either but that seemed an awful small victory at the time. I also started to feel that perhaps I should have paid a little bit closer attention in biology. Stupid bugs. I retreated to a rock to sit and think for a minute. Having thrown every likely dry in my box I decided it was time to (as my brother-in-law would say) turn to the dark side. I started to tie on a royal coachman for an indicator and a small prince nymph dropper off the back of the hook. As I was sitting working on my knots I heard a rustling in the brushes across the river. I turned to see what it was and saw a deer and her fawn emerging on the far bank. They seemed unfazed by my presence — I’m sure they have seen plenty of people — and proceeded down to the river to drink. Figuring that they would go elsewhere once they caught a good whiff of me (remember it’s day three folks…), I turned my attention back to the river and cast out the double rig. About halfway through the pool — a drift that seemed like it took five minutes — I heard splashing behind me. The deer were crossing the current and coming my way. I stopped watching my fly and watched them walk by, no more than 20 feet away at the tree line. As an aside, I overheard a lot of people that weekend complaining that the only wildlife they saw were squirrels and scrub jays — they just needed to get out of bed a little early, find a likely spot, and sit quietly for a while. The park isn’t a zoo, folks. Anyway. I decided that seeing the deer was a pretty cool thing and that I should be happy about that too. It was getting late and I needed to be heading back to camp to help out with breakfast. I rationalized that a couple more casts wouldn’t really make me that late, right? I could walk a little faster back to camp. I cast out once again, just in front of an overhanging branch. The coachman slowly drifted under the branch and then, suddenly, gone! Eyes to brain: MSG URGENT you’ve got a strike… I set the hook and started working on getting the fish in. A couple splashes and quick runs later I was unhooking a surprised 12" brown trout. I know that the standard joke is that big fish are big and small fish are "nice" or "pretty" or "jewels" but I never get over the brilliant markings on a brown trout. So colorful. That pretty much made the morning. I cut off the flies, put them back in my box, reeled up my line, and humped it back to camp double-time — just in time for a fresh batch of pancakes off the griddle. My brother-in-law and father-in-law (who had both declined to go with me that morning) did not believe me about my catch, but my wife saw the look in my eye and knew that I had indeed been successful in my hunt. I ended up getting back to this spot later in the afternoon, ready to go at it again, but by then the river was full of kids throwing rocks and splashing around. The moment to fish that spot had passed — we were leaving the next morning. I know that a more accomplished angler may have pulled five or six fish out of that pool in the two-plus hours that I worked it, but that one fish was like a reward, payoff for patience and sticking at it. Thanks for reading, BW Brad Williams father of twins — fly fisher — teller of long stories * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
Brad, Nice story.. I believe you! :) Made me want to fish!! -Mark If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story…
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If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story…
Nice story, glad you got a fish. TL MC
Nice story Brad. The smooth water in the meadows is fun to fish, but the fish are easier to catch if you go upstream to where the white water is. The fish are wild since they quit stocking hatchery trout in the park. Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine? http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2
If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story…
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Aye Chris Richer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So lets do it, henceforth no replies to obvious political rants or other similar inflammatory trolls. All agreed say "aye". This is not moderation or control, just good sense and self defence. You are right, otherwise ROFF will be ruined. Mike Connor
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Thanks for the spelling lesson. At some point you agreed that you were guilty of the very act that you are trying to correct. Yes, in other words you saw the shit, and you went up to it and firmly planted your two feet right in the middle. Yes, am I correct here? I too, saw the same shit, and it had a foul smell, so I walked around it and now it’s on your boots and not mine. It is strange how we choose our pathways in life. I’m not perfect mind you. This is the third winter that I’ve hung here and every winter it is the same thing. Tempers start getting hot and the rhetoric gets heated on one or more issues. You and I are blessed the we have mild winters compared to some of the others in the group. Even the lack of real sunshine can have a dreary effect on the soul. The best way to avoid a fight is not to be there in the first. I choose to have some distance. At least my boots stay cleaner for longer periods. Well, did my spelling improve? — Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.
i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion. when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman. the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens. egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation. in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation. i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place. the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this? wayno
Please, Mr. Harrison, restrain yourself. Such commentary, though warranted, accurate, and constructive, has a downside. The applause that you keep commanding of us keeps our hands too busy to type and keeps waking the baby! — Andy "Barely Older than Gink" Engle Charlotte, NC
Please, Mr. Harrison, restrain yourself. Such commentary, though warranted, accurate, and constructive, has a downside. The applause that you keep commanding of us keeps our hands too busy to type and keeps waking the baby! — Andy "Barely Older than Gink" Engle Charlotte, NC
It must be the water here in NC. Good stuff. Andy, where do you fish? If you’re ever up this way….get in touch. –Walt
HEAR HEAR! Wayne To fish is human…To release divine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion. when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman. the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens. egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation. in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation. i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place. the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this? wayno
snip< when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman. the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens.
This is truly one of the shortcomings of the written word. A good natured jibe at a fellow fisherman across a campfire can be a subject of great mirth and camraderie; but as we’ve seen in this medium, the same remark in lifeless print can be a grievous insult. We all would do well to twice read what we’ve written before posting it. more good stuff snipped< i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place. the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this?
Wayno is right on here. We all have genuine personal opinions on social and political issues which directly influence our fly fishing lives, and I agree that these subjects are valid topics of discussion here. Trolling for an argument, however, has been breeding a level of dishonesty here that I too have found disturbing. We have no faces here, only our opinions and advice. If one trolls for a response by posting opinions that do not truly represent who they are, how are we to get to know them? How are we to trust their opinions on other subjects? Trolling is dishonest and it breeds mistrust. It lowers my estimation of the perpetrator. If you have an opinion, I’d love to hear it and discuss it with you, but don’t yank my chain and waste my time for your own amusement. Many posters here seem to know others personally. Most of us, however, do not have that honor, and must get to know you through what you post. Wayno is right that we waste a lot of energy ranting & trolling. This NG, more than any other I’ve read, seems to be populated by real people, my kind of people, people I wouldn’t mind sharing a bottle with. We spend too muct time wasting that. Joe
Please, Mr. Harrison, restrain yourself. Such commentary, though warranted, accurate, and constructive, has a downside. The applause that you keep commanding of us keeps our hands too busy to type and keeps waking the baby! — Andy "Barely Older than Gink" Engle Charlotte, NC
Yep. Look at it this way: if you were in your favorite flyfishing shop, standing around with about 10 folks, what topics would you want to bullship about, and how would talk about those topics. I sure as hell wouldn’t bring up politics or religion, and if I was discussing logging’s impact on the fishery I wouldn’t be suggesting that we go out and spike some trees for an afternoon’s entertainment. Mark Faulkner
i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place. the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this?
I doubt it. There will always be disagreements, we just have to learn how to discuss such topics in a non face-to-face medium without turning the issue into personal attacks. There are such vast differences between posters here in age, education level, location, work, background that thinking that you can stop disagreements is not realistic. Later, - Ken
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place. the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this? I doubt it. There will always be disagreements, we just have to learn how to discuss such topics in a non face-to-face medium without turning the issue into personal attacks. There are such vast differences between posters here in age, education level, location, work, background that thinking that you can stop disagreements is not realistic. Later, – Ken
actually, kj, that’s not my point. i know we can’t avoid "disagreements"; in fact, "disagreements", including heated ones, can be quite entertaining and educational. it’s just that there are a very few (again, politics and religion, specifically) that seem to engender vicious diatribes, or quickly dissolve into mindless personal quibbles. therefore, i propose to simply not create or contribute to threads containing subject matter of this nature. wayno
Joe writes replying to Wayno: <<Wayno is right on here. We all have genuine personal opinions on social and political issues which directly influence our fly fishing lives, and I agree that these subjects are valid topics of discussion here. Trolling for an argument, however, has been breeding a level of dishonesty here that (more good stuff snipped) I agree. I could never understand why someone would troll. Hell, it sure ain’t fly fishing. To "pull someones chain", cause them embarass- ment because they sincerely answered a "troll", is not the sign of a true sportsman. I have more than contributed my fair share of political rhetoric on these pages, but I don’t think I have ever trolled. Sitting around a campfire teasing and trolling is a lot different than doing it online. Dave LaCourse
NO MORE WHINING, PLEASE! (hehe) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion. when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman. the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens. egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation. in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation. i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place. the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this? wayno
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion. when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman. the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens. egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation. in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation. i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place. the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this? wayno
refrain from doing so any more. dumb bastards. George ‘kill the world for a job: Visit: http://www.gink.com
This is truly one of the shortcomings of the written word. A good natured jibe at a fellow fisherman across a campfire can be a subject of great mirth and camraderie; but as we’ve seen in this medium, the same remark in lifeless print can be a grievous insult. We all would do well to twice read what we’ve written before posting it.
Yep. Look at it this way: if you were in your favorite flyfishing shop, standing around with about 10 folks, what topics would you want to bullship about, and how would talk about those topics. I sure as hell wouldn’t bring up politics or religion, and if I was discussing logging’s impact on the fishery I wouldn’t be suggesting that we go out and spike some trees for an afternoon’s entertainment. Mark Faulkner
guessing and our remaining Virgin Forests would be saved for the children of the future? We are past reality regarding when forests are endangered. It is now time to stop the carnage. What does it take to do it? Trees without spikes for life in them? New bumper sticker: "TREES! Spiked for life!" not – "Chainsaw Employment Forever" —
As long as he doesn’t lie under oath I’ll vote for him. :-)< How about if he *lays* under oath?
If he wants to do something with potato chips, that’s OK too. :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!
As long as he doesn’t lie under
oath I’ll vote for him. :-)< How about if he *lays* under oath?
Sounds like we need to get the independent council to take a look at
this… Hey, what this guy does on his own time is OK by me. He can commit unusual acts with a salmon on his tying bench for all I care – not my business, don’t want to know. He can rent out the upstairs bedroom if he likes, it’s OK by me. As long as he doesn’t lie under oath I’ll vote for him. :-) — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!
Sounds like we need to get the independent council to take a look at this…< Why? Is sex involved?
Well, I guess it is. Judging from the original post, somebody got it where the sun don’t shine. Peter
: Sounds like we need to get the independent council to take a look at this…< : Why? Is sex involved? It will be, if the Independent Counsel gets involved. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He took our deposit $$$. and never showed. He refuses to send a refund Let everyone know Tell him and them where you heard it. Olympic Peninsula scum Bob " the pig" Pigott Ph 360 327 3554 208344 Highway 101 Port Angeles Wa 98363
Hi Fred, I think I would let it go because you are giving Bob too much attention. I heard his was already so busy that he couldn’t really handle much more exposures, good or bad. I guess we all make mistakes. Bob made his and now you are making yours. I was mean to someone on this news group and after thinking about it, I apologized to everyone for being so nasty. Don’t let this ruin the sport for you. I think if you made up to Bob he would give you your money back? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com
When I was living in Idaho, I fished with a guy that guided out of Forks for about 15 years. He knew Bob and recommended him to me as a source of information prior to my trip to the peninsula last year. From everything that my friend told me, Mr. Pigot is an extremely knowledgeable and ethical guide. I would be very interested to hear his perspective, because I know from my own guiding experiences that often miscommunication and differences in expectations can cause severe problems between parties. I know that Bob has an e-mail address but I have misplaced it–but I have sent a couple messages to other guides in the area and the chamber of commerce in Forks to see if he could join in this discussion. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good idea Paul, if he doesn’t have a computer you could post the message for him. —
Sounds like we need to get the independent council to take a look at this… — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"
Sounds like we need to get the independent council to take a look at this… — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"
I hear he’s fresh out of a job and looking for opportunities! Ralph H
Sounds like we need to get the independent council to take a look at this…<
Why? Is sex involved?
Hello All, I am from Port Angeles, and I know Mr. Pigott and his family. I have fished with him multiple times and found him to be quite helpful and very professional. I would be interested in hearing Mr. Pigotts side of the story. Paul J.
aha! the game is afoot! it just might be that the evil pigott has a position of his own, which differs from the angry fred. all of which goes to show that there are two sides to every story. and when you choose to make your position public, you should be prepared to have your adversary do the same. a. wayne harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : In January, this year I sent a deposit of $280 to Bob Pigott for two : days fishing on Tues Aug 25 and Wed Aug 26. [...an story oft-repeated...] 1 complaint post == a service to the community 2 complaint posts == you want to make sure no one missed the first. ok. 3-4 complaint posts == you are not dealing with your anger 5+ complaint posts == I hope you don’t own a gun Seriously Fred, you have got to let this go. Anger only destroys you and your life, it does nothing positive. So Bob took $280 from you. That’s nothing in the scheme of things. He’s got to deal with his own conscience. Report it to the BBB and the Chamber of Commerce, and to ROFF, but then move on…dwelling on it only hurts you. Go out fishing, look at the beauty of nature around you, and say, "Man, I am blessed to be healthy and able to come out here and enjoy nature, to walk the stream, to see the beauty around me, to hear the beauty, even to smell it. Life is great!" Take care, JonCook.
Here here Jon!!!! LET IT GO MAN LET …. IT …. GO!!!! — # D. Stew McLeod … working at The Boeing Company .. in Renton, WA. #"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; # an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." # - Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Good idea Paul, if he doesn’t have a computer you could post the message for him. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello All, I am from Port Angeles, and I know Mr. Pigott and his family. I have fished with him multiple times and found him to be quite helpful and very professional. I would be interested in hearing Mr. Pigotts side of the story. Paul J.
They will not let me post my story All their readers should know about a crooked guide Monday, September 21, 1998…
Fred I think most of us wouldn’t want to be treated as you report. No matter what you may have said to this person I don’t think they have a right to keep your money, particularly if you have proof you notified him of the change in dates. Unfortunately you are not the only person this happens to. The VFS likley can’t publish the stories of everyone who suffers the same treatment. They probably have legal problems with it as well, they could be liable for any factual errors they publish – such statements are very damaging to someones reputation. That’s not their Business (dollar wise) You should contact whatever boards and associations in Washington State who would be interested; does the state licence it’s guides – report his to them. Report it to any guide associations – particurly if this particular guide is a member – perhaps they will arbitrate a settlement. Contact the local Better Business Bureau and Chamber of Commerce. Ask for their help and follow up. Find out what they’ve done with your complaint. However you won’t solve the problem by continually venting it here. It’s time to move on. Ralph H
Fred, I am sympathetic to your story but I am beginning to mumble the name Bob Pigott in my sleep. Your frequent posting to this group with the same story is getting old. Turn the guy into the state guides association, sue him or find a new hobby! <grin Better yet, go fishing and forget the bastard!
I too am tired of your spam. try doing one posting every 3 months, and makeing it more exciting. Schuhfly
Hello All, I am from Port Angeles, and I know Mr. Pigott and his family. I have fished with him multiple times and found him to be quite helpful and very professional. I would be interested in hearing Mr. Pigotts side of the story. Paul J.
They will not let me post my story All their readers should know about a crooked guide Monday, September 21, 1998 In January, this year I sent a deposit of $280 to Bob Pigott for two days fishing on Tues Aug 25 and Wed Aug 26. A month later I called and changed the dates to Sun Aug 30 and Mon 31 I remember that I wanted to change to Sun 8/30 and Tues 9/1 but he wanted two days straight and steered me back to Sun 8/30 and MON 8/31 I remember clearly because I was a little disappointed in that I wanted a day in between to expore w my friend – both the town (I am looking at a major move in my life -relocating my family west) and the fishing. However I did not push the issue and we left it at 8/30 and 8/31. When we agreed to these dates and I hung up I had a feeling – you know- when someone is rushed or partially blowing you off, or partially listening. So – I reconfirmed twice more. One week before the trip my friend from Canada called, reconfirmed and was told to call when we arrived in town. I’m a pretty thorough person. I arranged the whole trip w airlines, rental cars, my friend, 2 real estate brokers in P.A.and Port Townsend. It all revolved around a trade show that I had in Vancouver on 8/29. Each day was set. My friend flew in from Ontario and we drove down from Vancouver on 8/29. I called Bob Pigott 5 or 6 times from my cellular phone and 3 or 4 more times fron the Doubletree hoitel in PA. No return calls. I could not believe it. I had used guides with advance deposits before. I called numerous times on Sunday 8/30. When I finally got his wife at 4AM on 8/31 she told me that she would send a check to me. She told me that she had me down for Tues and Wed. Which showsd me that this simpleton never paid attention when I initially made the changes and confirmed the changes. I will not pay for his stupidity. I must admit that after 10 calls my messages were pretty enraged and outraged , although I mean all of what I said. Two weeks later on 9/15 I called and got Mr Pigott. His words to me were "no check". – and that I owed him an apology for my messages. If I had gotten my $280 back I probably would have chalked it up to a bad experience with an idiot and put my energy elsewhere – I have many other more important venues – family (infant grandaughter, my guitar,or maybe even business) So: This is my best recourse Is it worth it to me to go to small claims court? I should sue the bastard for airfare for 2, hotels etc I may. But I want the world to know that there is slime in this business. I would like to put this pig out of business. I want everyone to know Pigott gives guides a black eye I have used guides many times but from now on I will think twice. I think i may even quit using guides. I will certainly never send $$ in advance again. He took our deposit $$$. and never showed. He refuses to send a refund Let everyone know Tell him and them where you heard it. Olympic Peninsula scum Bob " the pig" Pigott Ph 360 327 3554 208344 Highway 101 Port Angeles Wa 98363 Fred Lebow http://www.flebow.com http://www.bluesbank.org — Fred Lebow http://www.flebow.com
Lately I have been having the worst kind of luck.. the kind only a newbie can have I have attended some fly courses and been watching the videos and the river where I live (calgary and the bow river) I have meandered the river watching the hatches and notching the pools and riffles along the river but only sporadic luck so far..perhaps the ones I catch are mentally challenged?? I know that I am matching the hatches and when the water shows no surface action am trying nymphs that the local fly shop has on their board of recommendations…. any help would be appreciated from any seasoned fly folks..especially if you can pass on some advice on nymphing techniques.. I believe that i am doing something wrong but am not sure what thanks for the help . Pierre
Have only fished the lovely Bow wilth a guide. (Dave Campbell, does any bodu know whats happed to him?) The Bow only becomes productive thru and below Calgary, after it develops a food chain. Divide the larger water into many smaller waters visually and fish these smaller divisions as if they were small waters. Also strongly consider, streamers there . Especially large 4-6 black wooly buggers to see if you can move some fish. Oldies have exactly the same fishing experience you do, they just lie about it. Schuhfly
Lately I have been having the worst kind of luck.. the kind only a newbie can have I have attended some fly courses and been watching the videos and the river where I live (calgary and the bow river) I have meandered the river watching the hatches and notching the pools and riffles along the river but only sporadic luck so far..perhaps the ones I catch are mentally challenged?? I know that I am matching the hatches and when the water shows no surface action am trying nymphs that the local fly shop has on their board of recommendations…. any help would be appreciated from any seasoned fly folks..especially if you can pass on some advice on nymphing techniques.. I believe that i am doing something wrong but am not sure what thanks for the help . Pierre
Shoot Pierre…you’ve been occupying your time in and around flyfishing. This is not bad luck, this is exceptionally good luck. Catching fish is such a small part of it….and it will come, you’re just paying your dues… Bag the videos and courses though, IMO. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…
Just getting back into flyfishing after a 15 year hiatus (sorry, puberty, girls, and college distracted me) and am having some major problems with fly placement. I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice? 1) I am fairly proficient at casting a light fly (dries, nymphs, wets), but when attempting to cast a heavier fly such as a weighted stone fly imitation, or a muddler I cannot get complete extension of the line on my back or forward cast. Instead the fly and leader sort of flop around on the end of the line with no real sense of direction. I use a fairly short 4 piece Orvis backpacking rod probably 6 1/2 -7 feet in length. Could that be part of the problem? 2) I often develop small knots in my leader 2-4 inches behind the fly when casting. What am I doing wrong? Should I be concerned about them? 3) Lose a lot of flies due to poor knots during the cast. I tie them correctly, but think I am choosing the wrong knots for the job. Any recommendations for what knots to use when attaching a fly? Thankfully I am a good tyer so this doesn’t become that expensive. 4) Is there a fly fishing FAQ that I can refer to about line weights, types, and uses or rod types. I own a very nice rod, but it was given to me by my grandfather so I do not know anything about it. How do I find out about its action, weight, what type of line to use with it, etc? Thanks in advance Tom Rhindress Williamstown, MA
Just getting back into flyfishing after a 15 year hiatus (sorry,
puberty, girls, and college distracted me) and am having some major problems with fly placement. I was wondering if anyone could give me
some advice? 1) I am fairly proficient at casting a light fly (dries, nymphs, wets), but when attempting to cast a heavier fly such as a weighted stone fly imitation, or a muddler I cannot get complete extension of the line on my back or forward cast. Instead the fly and leader sort of flop around on the end of the line
with no real sense of direction. I use a fairly short 4 piece Orvis backpacking rod probably 6 1/2 -7
feet in length. Could that be part of the problem? 2) I often develop small knots in my leader 2-4 inches behind the fly when casting. What am I doing wrong? Should I be concerned about them? 3) Lose a lot of flies due to poor knots during the cast. I tie them correctly, but think I am choosing the wrong knots for the job. Anyrecommendations for what knots to use when attaching a fly? Thankfully I am a good tyer so this doesn’t become that expensive. 4) Is there a fly fishing FAQ that I can refer to about line weights,
types, and uses or rod types. I own a very nice rod, but it was given to me by my grandfather so I do
not know anything about it. How do I find out about its action, weight, what type of line to use
with it, etc? Tom, likely both your back cast and your forward cast lack power because of two things…. one is you use entirely too much wrist…. tie a hanky around your wrist and the rod butt to remind you to use more forearm and less wrist… second you are making all your power stroke too evenly applied over the cast…. most all of the power should be applied at the very end of the stroke with a very staccato speed up and stop… do not turn the line over until the very end…. A 3rd idea is to apply a short sharp haul with the line hand exactly at the time of the power application….. then a 4th cheating trick is to give the line a short tug exactly as the fly lands…. good luck… Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va *the trout teach many, lessons*
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just getting back into flyfishing after a 15 year hiatus (sorry, puberty, girls, and college distracted me) and am having some major problems with fly placement. I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice? 1) I am fairly proficient at casting a light fly (dries, nymphs, wets), but when attempting to cast a heavier fly such as a weighted stone fly imitation, or a muddler I cannot get complete extension of the line on my back or forward cast. Instead the fly and leader sort of flop around on the end of the line with no real sense of direction. I use a fairly short 4 piece Orvis backpacking rod probably 6 1/2 -7 feet in length. Could that be part of the problem?
Definitely: any fly over a gramme or two completely upsets classical fly dynamics. Casting style needs to be different and a long rod helps. 2) I often develop small knots in my leader 2-4 inches behind the fly when casting. What am I doing wrong? Should I be concerned about them?
Wind knots should be avoided because they weaken the tippet and will lose you fish. Poor casting technique is the commonest cause. Try making your forward and backcast strokes a few degrees apart in the vertical plane (see instructional books by Lefty Kreh or Lee Wulff.) 3) Lose a lot of flies due to poor knots during the cast. I tie them correctly, but think I am choosing the wrong knots for the job. Any recommendations for what knots to use when attaching a fly? Thankfully I am a good tyer so this doesn’t become that expensive.
Can’t beat the classic turle knot (double turle for salmon.) 4) Is there a fly fishing FAQ that I can refer to about line weights, types, and uses or rod types.
No, but plenty in the library. I own a very nice rod, but it was given to me by my grandfather so I do not know anything about it.
If this is a cane rod, several URLs for either rod maintenance or used cane rod sales may be helpful. Or you can post here any markings, brand name etc. Try http://www.gorp.com/bamboo.html or http://www.cybercom.net/~bconner/rod.html — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs, | | Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734 |
I’m planning to drive up from L.A. to spend a couple of days fishing the Owens. Would appreciate any help regarding good places to fish, patterns, etc. David Sheffield
I’m planning to drive up from L.A. to spend a couple of days fishing the Owens. Would appreciate any help regarding good places to fish, patterns, etc. David Sheffield
You should pick up a current copy of California Fly Fisher at your local fly shop. There is a good article with all this info. The gist of it: try #14-16 nymphs (pheasant tails, hare’s ears, etc), wooly buggers, and have some small caddis and midge dries too. Fish anywhere between Pleasant Valley Rreservoir and Bishop. Use a long tippet and drift it downstream as the trout are line wary. Fish the undercuts and riffles as well as the pools where the fish are more obvious. Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html
Hi, I hit the "D" key instead of the "S" key by mistake so lost the e-mail address and name of the guy I was talking with about flyfishing Puget Sound. I was just wondering how things went for you. Did you try the area near Shilshole? Catch anything? What type and how big? See any Salmon or Steelhead? What flys did you use? Try any shiney streamers? Another spot was across the sound near the Straights of Juan De Fuca, off some of the jettys and sand bars out there. Makes a nice weekend trip when the salmon are running. Nothing like double-hauling a 9wt line on a two-handed rod in a stiff breeze casting a 6" streamer. I can taste the salt on my face just thinking about it.
" Nothing like double-hauling a 9wt line on a two-handed rod" says
Exactly how does one double haul with a two handed rod? Have the ghilly do the hauling? Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state." Tom McGuane