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You did hook 2 fish. I wouldn’t call that "utter failure" just a frustrating day.  Hooking none is "utter failure."  Now that’s happened to me more times than I want to count.   Joel Axelrad **DFD**

ditto.

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Heck, if I hook none but don’t fall in more than twice, I call that a successful day! Piker.  Frank calls it a record!        :) Wolfgang and we ain’t talkin’ pere here.

Yeah, but didn’t he turn pro a year or so ago?  I’m still an amachoor. vince

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Heck, if I hook none but don’t fall in more than twice, I call that a successful day! Piker.  Frank calls it a record!        :) Wolfgang and we ain’t talkin’ pere here. Yeah, but didn’t he turn pro a year or so ago?  I’m still an amachoor.

Yeah, as in music and ornithology, there’s still room in the world of sport for the gifted amateur.     Wolfgang

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Yeah, as in music and ornithology, there’s still room in the world of sport for the gifted amateur.     Wolfgang

The canary!  He sang, didn’t he?  He’s a lousy snitch.  But he wasn’t really a canary, now was he?  That song, that look, yes, he was a Citril Finch! Thought he had me fooled,  HAH!  Yeh, but I sent him into the mines anyway. BWAAAAHHAAAAHHAAHAHHHAAA!    Thank you very much. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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  Well, Sunday looked promising at the outset, at least for fishing the   heavily-fished Tulpehocken…..   Nothing I saw justified the blitz of feeding I saw. Sometimes, fly-fishing   can get like that, it’s just that I hate when it happens to me….Oh well, at   Sometimes two fish is a good day. other times, when you feel you "should" be catching more, it’s just frustrating. Glad to here you stream held up through the low water. I had been concerned about my home stretch of river and was glad when I started seeing some smaller fish feeding about a week or so ago. Yesterday morning, I went out about 8:00 and found a couple of large pods of fish in the skinny water ripping into the Trico duns coming off. Some of the rises were sedate sips but many were splashy lunges. The pod I fished had 10 to 15 fish feeding in water from six inches to a foot deep in an area about 15′ by 20′. I generally try and target a specific fish that I figure is a better one, but they were feeding in such a small area that their rise forms were overlapping. Although some of the rises indicated better fish, I figured the fish were small because of the energetic rises to such a small insect and because the better fish won’t generally surface feeding together in such a small area.  The hatch was pretty heavy and I was competing with lots of naturals. It was also difficult to get a good drift through the eddy where the fish were feeding. It probably took thirty casts before I got a take. The fish was a nice one and tore up the eddy where it was rising and took off downstream to a deep pool. After a spirited fight I landed a Brown of about 18". In the shallow water the fight put down the pod of fish I was targeting as well as the other pod that was downstream. I walked upstream a ways to look for some more fish, but by that time the sun was getting pretty direct and the shallow water looked barren although there were still lots of bugs. I only got one fish, but it was a good day. Glad to know at least some the better fish have made it through our over heated Summer. Willi

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ome small rusty colored mayflies and a You did hook 2 fish. I wouldn’t call that "utter failure"… Hooking none is "utter failure." Heck, if I hook none but don’t fall in more than twice, I call that a successful day!

Piker.  Frank calls it a record!        :) Wolfgang and we ain’t talkin’ pere here.

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ome small rusty colored mayflies and a You did hook 2 fish. I wouldn’t call that "utter failure"… Hooking none is "utter failure."

Heck, if I hook none but don’t fall in more than twice, I call that a successful day! vince

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utter failure my ass – that was just coitus interrruptus Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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utter failure my ass – that was just coitus interrruptus Peter

    you catholics just *will* have your say!     yfitons     wayno  (methodist to the core–which, in methodists, is about 32* fahrenheit.)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – utter failure my ass – that was just coitus interrruptus Peter    you catholics just *will* have your say!    yfitons    wayno  (methodist to the core–which, in methodists, is about 32* fahrenheit.)

Nope, not me, I’m just the anglicized, pseudo version. with a catholic education. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Peter notes: utter failure my ass – that was just coitus interrruptus

you may well be right….at any rate, I went back today as it cleared. Of course, I found less bugs by far and the usual fussy fish. Caught them, though, on deep nymphs (both caddis pupae and Zug Bugs), got two to take #18 Tan Elk Hair caddis.                              Tom

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You did hook 2 fish. I wouldn’t call that "utter failure" just a frustrating day.  Hooking none is "utter failure."  Now that’s happened to me more times than I want to count.  

If you got out of the house and went fishing, you already succeeded. Now, if you had spent the whole weekend at home doing yardwork… Kevin

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Joel writes: Hooking none is "utter failure."  Now that’s happened to me more times than I want to count.

fucking hemlocks!!<g

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tom Littleton wrote… Well, Sunday looked promising at the outset, at least for fishing the heavily-fished Tulpehocken…..it was raining steadily. At 10 am, I drove over to the creek to investigate the situation. Usually, rainy days provide(along with very low fishing pressure), easy fishing for the trout of the Creek. This one promised no different, as my arrival was greeted by dozens of birds working over insects and the swirls of feeding fish everywhere. From that point, it went steadily awry, as I fished for over 3 hours. I hooked exactly two fish, both on a tan wet fly imitation(to my mind) the smaller caddis about. The numbers of feeding fish were staggering, the birds fed constantly, and I never did figure it out. I tried caddis, midges, tricos and little olives. I saw a few of each of those, along with some small rusty colored mayflies and a couple larger pale mayflies. No single insect seemed prevalent enough for the gauche display by the swallows, which literally dive-bombed the water throughout. Nothing I saw justified the blitz of feeding I saw. Sometimes, fly-fishing can get like that, it’s just that I hate when it happens to me….Oh well, at                                                                Tom

You did hook 2 fish. I wouldn’t call that "utter failure" just a frustrating day.  Hooking none is "utter failure."  Now that’s happened to me more times than I want to count.   Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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Well, Sunday looked promising at the outset, at least for fishing the heavily-fished Tulpehocken…..it was raining steadily. At 10 am, I drove over to the creek to investigate the situation. Usually, rainy days provide(along with very low fishing pressure), easy fishing for the trout of the Creek. This one promised no different, as my arrival was greeted by dozens of birds working over insects and the swirls of feeding fish everywhere. From that point, it went steadily awry, as I fished for over 3 hours. I hooked exactly two fish, both on a tan wet fly imitation(to my mind) the smaller caddis about. The numbers of feeding fish were staggering, the birds fed constantly, and I never did figure it out. I tried caddis, midges, tricos and little olives. I saw a few of each of those, along with some small rusty colored mayflies and a couple larger pale mayflies. No single insect seemed prevalent enough for the gauche display by the swallows, which literally dive-bombed the water throughout. Nothing I saw justified the blitz of feeding I saw. Sometimes, fly-fishing can get like that, it’s just that I hate when it happens to me….Oh well, at                                                                 Tom

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Hi, I came in the other day through deja.com and found, in the BMW forum, 373 listed replies to that thread… as I clicked through some of them, I was transferred through many different newsgroups, including one for Sega Dreamcast, one for Fly Fishing, and who knows what all. Today I see the same thread but with only 16 replies listed. Can someone enlighten me as to what’s going on?  Why is this thread flowing through a bunch of different newsgroups, and how did it get into the BMW forum? Thanks for any info, —John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Seemed to have been a kid looking for attention by making redneck comments about a news story.  He posted it on a bunch of threads…..none appropriate.  It became obvious that only ignoring it would make it go away.

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Thanks for the reply, Ed. What I still don’t understand, however, is why clicking through the thread moves me into *entirely different newsgroups*. Clicking on reply after reply, I find myself in different forums, no Does anyone know how this is possible?  Why don’t I see *only the parts of the thread that are posted in the BMW forum*? –John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the reply, Ed. What I still don’t understand, however, is why clicking through the thread moves me into *entirely different newsgroups*. Clicking on reply after reply, I find myself in different forums, no Does anyone know how this is possible?  Why don’t I see *only the parts of the thread that are posted in the BMW forum*? –John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

Are you doing this through remarq?  Maybe it’s an option they have that sorts by thread and transcends groups.  That might actually be a cool thing to look at. Doug Mount

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Hi Doug, Go in through this link, which is to deja.com’s usenet service, click on the "White Trash" thread, then go down a ways and click on replies… you’ll find yourself in different forums as you continue to go down through, although deja says there are [at the time I looked] 660+ replies as shown on the BMW board… http://x68.deja.com/[ST_rn=fs]/viewthread.xp?thitnum=1&mhitnum=0&toffset=0&CONTEXT=967322458.27 6496431&frpage=threadmsg_if.xp&back=alt.autos.bmw&rok=1 I wrote to deja.com asking about it, but never got a reply. —John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Well, whatever was up with that thread, it no longer shows up on deja.com/usenet/’s alt.autos.bmw listing — just as well. I suspect a software glitch at deja or some malicious thread tampering, but since it’s gone now, perhaps I’ll never know. —John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

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Warren writes:

(brevity snip) <<I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. I don’t think it is as prone to UV (sunlight) damage as mono is. The only drawback (very slight) is that it doesn’t float.  I usually gink mine up to within five inches of the dry fly.  Benefits:  It’s refractive index is very close to that of water, making it almost invisible to the fish.  I have found that I can drop down one size (i.e. 6x to 5x or even 4x) with the same results.  It is stiffer than mono and less prone to twisting. Go to www.dejanews.com and look up "flurocarbon tippet".  There was an exhaustive thread on it not too long ago. Dave LaCourse

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It works great for me!  I use it everywhere.  Perfect for salt or fresh. Forrest – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I was told that flurocarbon is more abrasion resistant. If that’s the case I would definetly look into it. Can’t say that I know though. Is it? Have a good one,     Jeff Jowers     Revelation 3:20 Many times I’ve seen why they call it fishing, not catching.

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I bought some Orvis Mirage knotted leaders (9′, 12lb) last year out of their sale flyer. I tried them one day while fishing for stripers with a friend. I was catching many more fish than he. I gave him one of the leaders (it was his boat) and he started getting as many fish as I. Then the past few times I was fishing the swift I was using 8x maxima ultra green tippet and the fish were avoiding my flies while the guy down stream with the same fly was catching fish on 5X flurocarbon. I think it does make a difference. The stuff really does disappear in water so it can’t hurt. sf

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

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I bought some Orvis Mirage knotted leaders (9′, 12lb) last year out of their sale flyer. I tried them one day while fishing for stripers with a friend. I was catching many more fish than he. I gave him one of the leaders (it was his boat) and he started getting as many fish as I.

Yup – I remember that. I was using dark Maxima as usual, but on that day the fish were thumbing their beaks at me. The Mirage did seem to turn the tide, so to speak… And it’s always a good thing to give the Captain a boost if his luck is off: it’s usually a long walk back to shore ;^) /daytripper (ps to sf: I’ll be on the Cape of Cod all next week, we’ll do the ‘Mack again when I get back)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought some Orvis Mirage knotted leaders (9′, 12lb) last year out of their sale flyer. I tried them one day while fishing for stripers with a friend. I was catching many more fish than he. I gave him one of the leaders (it was his boat) and he started getting as many fish as I. Then the past few times I was fishing the swift I was using 8x maxima ultra green tippet and the fish were avoiding my flies while the guy down stream with the same fly was catching fish on 5X flurocarbon. I think it does make a difference. The stuff really does disappear in water so it can’t hurt. sf I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

determines its invisibility first and then color. I’m sure I will be reading soon about tippet material that is .0002 in diameter which has a breaking strength of 125 pounds.   Great sport. — Mr. G.   ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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Nice job, Joe!  You said exactly what I’ve been thinking. The pettyness and personal attacks have gone on too long. IMO, both Ken and George have, in the past, posted many worthwhile comments.  Lately, I’ve been skipping anything by either of them because I’m sick of the off-topic rants. Too bad for me because I’ve probably missed some grains of wisdom. Dave Until now, I wouldn’t touch this subject with a ten foot pole; but it’s Monday and my brain is unwilling to get to work.   So I’m going to make a foolish and probably futile attempt to offer a rational and well-considered opinion on what I see happening here. clipped! Just my $.02 Joe "what was I thinking" Fleischman

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My guess is you won’t be having a drink with each other anytime soon, but try harder.

I’d share a bottle of Laphroig with George anytime. Just my $.02

Worth at least 3 or 4, in my book. — Ken Fortenberry

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I seem to have missed most of this, fortunately! Don’t tell me that private Dick is back, people threatening other subscribers? Not really the done thing is it?? And I thought that game anglers the world over wore tweed, drank Pimms or gin and tonic and smoked cigars! — Regards, Peter

No Peter, You’ve fallen behind a little now!  "The Famous Grouse" is the tipple these days. — Bill

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I don’t listen to anyone whose opinion I don’t respect Bill and that is something that has to be earned. It doesn’t come with a smart mouthed repost on a newsgroup! — Regards, Peter Remove nospam to e-mail www.yachthawkwind.demon.co.uk/peters.htm "We are chosen, we are one  We are frightened of no-one" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t understand this answer, probably just as well. Peter, when G speaks, you listen!….:-) — Bill

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Don’t understand this answer, probably just as well. — Regards, Peter Remove nospam to e-mail www.yachthawkwind.demon.co.uk/peters.htm "We are chosen, we are one  We are frightened of no-one" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The question has to be: how do you know this??? — Regards, Peter because it will make you a bigger Dick then all the Richards in the world. Okay, Petah? (shades of betty davis!) that is how you know

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Don’t understand this answer, probably just as well.

 Peter, when G speaks, you listen!….:-) — Bill

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 On-going arguments about the fine points of who is right and why or whose penis is bigger on subjects with no possible resolution waste a lot of time and good feeling here. Just my $.02 Joe "what was I thinking" Fleischman

_______  I assure you, my penis is much bigger then ‘K.F’s’ ; ) Mr. . G. — Visit: http://www.gink.com

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The question has to be: how do you know this??? — Regards, Peter Remove nospam to e-mail www.yachthawkwind.demon.co.uk/peters.htm "We are chosen, we are one  We are frightened of no-one"

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -_______  I assure you, my penis is much bigger then ‘K.F’s’ ; ) Mr. . G. — Visit: http://www.gink.com

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The question has to be: how do you know this??? — Regards, Peter

because it will make you a bigger Dick then all the Richards in the world. Okay, Petah? (shades of betty davis!) that is how you know

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It is amazing  how some of you are so two faced and cowardly that lurk among us.  The latest bullshit is going to stop and its going to stop right here.  All of you can either watch or join in.    I am going to do this systematically and point out by time and date the two-faced, lying hypercritical rag-mouth that Fortenberry really is. This will be short and sweet.  The we will move onto the latest news in my and your lives. I will begin by answering K.F’s post about GRAND AMERICAN DEAL OF THE YEAR and then onto one more or two.  It went like this, what he posted. Technically, Spam is unsolicited commercial email. We call Gehrke’s repeated commercial postings to ROFF Spam, but technically it’s Usenet abuse. Spam is illegal in Virginia, other states are considering similar laws. Spam is criminal. What Gehrke does to ROFF is not an actual crime, but a cybercrime. He has Spammed us, of course, and through poor mailing list management allowed others to Spam us. I doubt he’ll do it again. There’s really nothing we can do about ROFF abuse other terminate his account if enough of us bitched about him. I don’t know that it would deter Gehrke in the long run. He’s lost accounts at least once before and he shows no signs of having learned anything from the experience. In my opinion he’s just shooting himself in the foot by advertising here. He makes far more enemies than potential customers by abusing ROFF and in the long run that will be our best defense. Just don’t buy anything from anyone that advertises in ROFF. — Ken Fortenberry Go to this one to see retort.

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correct K.F. about anything.  He knows what he is doing and so does everyone else here.   I just want to make the following points and the subject is closed. 1)  ROFF can police itself.  ROFF knows what ‘KIND’ of tactful commercialism it will tolerate and what it won’t. 2)  The membership is it’s own best format. 3)  I am not a cyber criminal and no further references will be made about me in the future regarding this issue.  I ‘UNINTENTIONALLY’ spammed once but that does not make me a spammer.  This issue is closed and I will not tolerate anyone calling me that again. End of discussion. Mr. G. Now then, on to new and more exciting things.  Let’s have some fun!

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Mr. G wrote 1)  ROFF can police itself.  ROFF knows what ‘KIND’ of tactful commercialism it will tolerate and what it won’t.

My opinion is that the level of commercialism you engage in on ROFF is not tactful.  You step over the line.  But I admit, that’s just one person’s opinion.  Thing is, I believe that many agree with me. Would you consider not advertising your products here if it were clear to you that most people find that many of your posts are too commercial? Like you, I am absolutely against any kind of control of this newsgroup aside from self control.  I just wish that you would exercise the latter. 3)  I am not a cyber criminal and no further references will be made about me in the future regarding this issue.  I ‘UNINTENTIONALLY’ spammed once but that does not make me a spammer.  This issue is closed and I will not tolerate anyone calling me that again.

You are not a cybercriminal.  But you are a spammer according to what I consider to be spam.  If I’m the only one who thinks this, then hey…ignore me.  But I think you’ll find that a significant number of people would classify your commercial posts as spam. —                                                       -dnc-

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But I think you’ll find that a significant number of people would classify

your commercial posts as spam.< True, but it’s *our* spam.  I for one have no problem with a group regular "spamming" the group.  For the most part, I consider that to be information, not spam.  Outsiders are a different thing, of course, but I find George’s posts to be of considerable interest.  And when I don’t, I just go to the next post.  No big deal.  Sure, it takes up some bandwidth, but to me, that’s no problem, ‘tho I realize it has been for others: I hated to see Mike leave the group but I’ve left NGs for various reasons and they seem to have survived.  If I found George’s posts as unwelcome as some seem to, I would just leave.  But then, I have a life to go to. <g

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(snip) <<I hated to see Mike leave the group but I’ve left NGs for various reasons and they seem to have survived.  If I found George’s posts as unwelcome as some seem to, I would just leave.  But then, I have a life to go to. <g   Didn’t Mike leave because of the SPAM received thru e-mail, not the NG?  That’s the way I remember it, but I could be wrong.  George sent two long E-mail spams, followed by the BambooUSA guy picking up all the addresses and sending yet another.  That angered everyone, including George’s sycophants.   Dave LaCourse

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Mike emailed me that he left because of the amount of SPAM on ROFF.  He pays by time, I believe, and it just cost him too much money for what he got back. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (snip) <<I hated to see Mike leave the group but I’ve left NGs for various reasons and they seem to have survived.  If I found George’s posts as unwelcome as some seem to, I would just leave.  But then, I have a life to go to. <g   Didn’t Mike leave because of the SPAM received thru e-mail, not the NG?  That’s the way I remember it, but I could be wrong.  George sent two long E-mail spams, followed by the BambooUSA guy picking up all the addresses and sending yet another.  That angered everyone, including George’s sycophants. Dave LaCourse

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Didn’t Mike leave because of the SPAM received thru e-mail, not the NG?  

The email problems were after he left, I think. People were emailing him for advice and asking him to write poems (he never did name names). The initial problem was roff spam, exacerbated by the person we’re not allowed to call a spammer any more or he’ll kick our butt<g. — Charlie…

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Mike emailed me that he left because of the amount of SPAM on ROFF.  He pays by time, I believe, and it just cost him too much money for what he got back.

Excuse the intrusion, but I would appreciate it if the subject header did not include my name. HOT DAMN, Illini 32 Ohio State 27 at the half. If the men in Orange & Blue pull this one off I may just have to drive up to Chicago and watch tomorrow’s game in person. — Ken Fortenberry

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I seem to have missed most of this, fortunately! Don’t tell me that private Dick is back, people threatening other subscribers? Not really the done thing is it?? And I thought that game anglers the world over wore tweed, drank Pimms or gin and tonic and smoked cigars! — Regards, Peter "There is a Demon within us  whose soul belongs to hell  Won’t someone save us sinners" "The sun goes down"

<snip  names). The initial problem was roff spam, exacerbated by the person – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -we’re not allowed to call a spammer any more or he’ll kick our butt<g. — Charlie…

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I seem to have missed most of this, fortunately! Don’t tell me that private Dick is back, people threatening other subscribers? Not really the done thing is it?? And I thought that game anglers the world over wore tweed, drank Pimms or gin and tonic and smoked cigars!

No, nothing that sinister, just George. He has irritated some people and been irritated by some people. Words and spam have been exchanged. Unfortunately, some good folks have decided to forgo roff as part of their daily diet. ‘Business’ as usual on roff<g. — Charlie…

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 If I found George’s posts as unwelcome as some seem to, I would just leave.  But then, I have a life to go to. <g

That’s one option, and the one most often recommended. Unfortunately one cannot go to rec.crafts.dollhouses and discuss fly fishing. If you want to dicsuss fly fishing on Usenet, this is the place. If you see malfeasance here you either speak up or accept it. I choose the former. — Ken Fortenberry

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Naw — they drink Macallan Scotch and smoke pipes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I seem to have missed most of this, fortunately! Don’t tell me that private Dick is back, people threatening other subscribers? Not really the done thing is it?? And I thought that game anglers the world over wore tweed, drank Pimms or gin and tonic and smoked cigars!

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Until now, I wouldn’t touch this subject with a ten foot pole; but it’s Monday and my brain is unwilling to get to work.   So I’m going to make a foolish and probably futile attempt to offer a rational and well-considered opinion on what I see happening here. Firstly George, I’ll state up front that I generally like you and find your informational posts helpful.   Your willingness to share your knowledge and opinions are a positive contribution to this newsgroup.   However: 1)  ROFF can police itself.  ROFF knows what ‘KIND’ of tactful commercialism it will tolerate and what it won’t.

This is quite true.   The is no point to "rules" because there is no practical way to enforce them.   When we see behavior we object to, our best alternative is to publicly inform the offender.   If enough people join in the objection, we can hope that the offending party will realize that he/she has stepped over the line of commonly accepted behavior.   If no one else objects, we must consider that our personal standards may not be congruent with those of the ng as a whole. Now George, I think it has been clear that while your abundant commercial posts were also informational and  accepted without comment by many, a significant portion of the ng had a problem with them.   I think that the number of posts (no, I didn’t count them) complaining or otherwise commenting on your "over-commercialism" and even using the "S" word should have been an indication to you that you had stepped over the line into a kind of tactful commercialism that the group didn’t tolerate.   Even I nearly put you in my kill file, and I like you.   For ROFF to be able to police itself, people must be occasionally willing to back off and look at what the ng is really telling them. George and Ken F. –  I have been somewhat amazed that many of your posts have been extremely thoughtful and intelligent, yet some of your personal attacks on each other were so far over the line as to defy logic.   Many here cannot espouse a rational opinion without personal invective and name-calling, yet you both seem simultaneously capable and irrational at times.   From my observations (more time lurking than posting), nasty personal attacks are neither acceptable to nor appreciated by the ng members.   Sometimes turning the other cheek or taking the high road can do a lot of good toward solving a problem; and you’ve both tried it on occasion.   My guess is you won’t be having a drink with each other anytime soon, but try harder. 2)  The membership is it’s own best format.

We are who we are. 3)  I am not a cyber criminal and no further references will be made about me in the future regarding this issue.  I ‘UNINTENTIONALLY’ spammed once but that does not make me a spammer.  This issue is closed and I will not tolerate anyone calling me that again

I guess all I can say is that you need to trust us more.   Most of us are intelligent folks.  We know what spam is and we know what criminals are. We consider the source.   An extreme example was the dear, departed D-Version.   Who gave a shit what he said?   I think you sometimes defend yourself more vociferously than necessary against irrational posts.   To those who respect you, no defense is necessary.   To those who dislike you, any defense is pointless. On-going arguments about the fine points of who is right and why or whose penis is bigger on subjects with no possible resolution waste a lot of time and good feeling here. Just my $.02 Joe "what was I thinking" Fleischman

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Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce

Over time, yup. Peter

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No, but you could get a hernia in your hemostat. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Wading Boots, Making Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you’re worried about lead poisoning, crimp it hard with your hemostats. Works for me.Pete C Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce

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The lead paint was a problem because kids actually eat the paint. Lead is not soluable so unless you inadvertantly swallow the shot its probably a low level problem. The one exception I see is if you get some lead caught in your teeth. Lead is soft and it could stick to a filling or crevas in you teeth and later come off when your chewing food. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce I don’t know.  Better safe than sorry. Pete C Young children have been known to contract lead poisoning from gnawing objects painted with lead based paint( in the old days!) — Bill

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Change brands of shot.  Some are harder than others and definitely stay on better.

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Don’t cast. Stalk. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Try running the leader through the split twice before crimping.  This does put a wrap on the outside of the shot that may be subject to wear.  I have also used figure 8 knots on thick leader to prevent sliding.  That knot is relatively easy to undo. William Buchman

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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

Brian Putting the other smart-assed answers aside, I’ll assume you’ve done all the usual things.  Probably you are overhead casting, perhaps some fasle casting, and putting some effort into it to avoid clipping your ears.  Since the splitshot loads up the rod more, the whole contraption is now arriving at the end of the cast with some violence, sending your splitshot into the opposite bank at just under mach one. So instead of high powered overhead casts, use a gentle lob with a big open loop, a flick or a roll.  I usually allow my line to pull out straight downstream at the end of the drift, then pull gently toward the point upstream that I’m casting to.  A little flick and the line just rolls out without any fuss.  My 9 1/2′ seven wt. is the only rod I’ll use a conventional small loop, overhead cast with splitshot, as it has enough length and muscle to keep the line up without any extra effort on my part.   Instead of all sorts of fancy replacements and gimmicks; stop false casting, slow down your delivery, open up the loop and let the rod work.  Stepping down to a lighter or slower rod may help too. Peter

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Tie a knot over the split and make sure the knot is over the back side of the split and not along the crimp seam. If its on the seam it will open up the crimp and you lose another shot. You will never lose a shot this way. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

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Scrap the paper off of those "twister ties" that come on loaves of bread……use them for sinker action…..I love ‘em. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

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Don’t cast. Stalk. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"

Don’t cast. Plop! Mr. G. "Guilt replaced Catch and Kill with Catch & Release" ; ) "cast, drift . . . cast . . . drift . . .?" Is this nymph going to work or not Tim?

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Pinch shot onto line and see if that helps. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

Hi Brian, Sometimes the problem is squeezing them on to tight, especially if you’re using lead shot.  The lead shot is a lot softer than the "lead free" stuff and if you’re using either your teeth (not good – lead is poison you know), or forceps to close the split and you squeeze too hard, it opens up the back part of the split and the shot slips all over the place.   I usually put the split shot on the line and squeeze it with my fingers just hard enough to hold it.  Then I will take my forceps and squeeze it shut from the back of the shot, not from the split side.  I watch the split close and when it meets and compresses slightly I *stop* squeezing.  This way you close the back of the split securely and you can see if you’ve overtightened it.  It rarely moves with this technique.  However, as Peter and "another damn guide", both pointed out excessive forceful false casting may knock it loose anyway. Use water-loading as much as possible instead of false casts when fishing nymphs with shot (easier to do, and fewerangles). I’ve also used the "wrap it through twice" trick that William Buchman suggested, especially on soft BB shot and it works well.  I always expect it to break where it’s wrapped around the shot and it never does.  I’m still nervous about doing that, but it does stop it from slipping.                       Hope this helps,                              Dan Dan Gracia Orvis

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Put it between two molars and bite down.  It’s always worked for me. Later,     – Ken

Lucky bugger, I haven’t got two molars:-I — Bill

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I have two molars Bill, but they don’t meet. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Wading Boots, Making Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Put it between two molars and bite down.  It’s always worked for me. Later,     – Ken Lucky bugger, I haven’t got two molars:-I — Bill

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If you’re worried about lead poisoning, crimp it hard with your hemostats. Works for me. Pete C

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If you’re worried about lead poisoning, crimp it hard with your hemostats. Works for me.Pete C

Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce

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Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce

I don’t know.  Better safe than sorry. Pete C

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Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce I don’t know.  Better safe than sorry. Pete C

Young children have been known to contract lead poisoning from gnawing objects painted with lead based paint( in the old days!) — Bill

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first pinch with your hemostats/pliers then try reducing the force of an number of your false casts DryFly Another Damn Giude – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks.

Um, you *are* crimping them closed, aren’t you?

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no problem! Do  not use split shot.  Use twist ons.  Trust me the way to go if ya gotta get down.

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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Um, you *are* crimping them closed, aren’t you?

Maybe God is telling him to use dry flies. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

_______ Brian, you should learn to tie your own leaders.  Go andbuy yourself a complete set of hard and soft Maxima Leader Material in clear mono. Order a bottle of Knot-Perfect from me for $3 which I will absorb shipping charges and labor/handling, etc.  A deal, I assure you. Use Knot-Perfect on each knot and at the tippet knot, use them as stoppers for your lead. There are other ways, but for nymphing, and/or lead flat/wire at knots, you will be much better off then using tapered leaders.  Tapered, single strand leaders take a lot of mobility and tricks away from you. Reconsider:  - or – shall we all revisit "Hand Tied Leaders" (?) I love making them. See: http://www.gink.com Place an  order and I’ll include a surprise.  I sort of am able to do things other employees can’t.  I’m the President. Mr. G.

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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks. Brian

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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.)  I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off.  Anyone else have this problem and a solution.  Thanks.

Put it between two molars and bite down.  It’s always worked for me. Later,      - Ken — Not speaking for anyone but myself

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To the best of my knowledge, the weights I provided in my earlier post are generally applicably to various types of fly lines including floating, sinking, DT, etc. To check this out, I tried the "weigh the first 30 feet" method on a sinking "Rocket Taper" line that I knew to be a #7, and it weighed-out correctly at just slightly over the nominal given for a #7 line. Also, even though the weight of the first 30 feet of this line is essentially the same as its #7 floating counterpart, the sinking line is much thinner than the floating, thereby increasing its density. The more I think about this, the more sense it makes. Since the weight of the line is matched to the rod (so that the latter loads properly) you’d want to have the same rod loading behavior regardless of the type of line, it’s taper, and whether floating or sinking. So, since the rod doesn’t care about the thickness of the line, the first 30 feet of all #7 lines (for example) should have about the same weight. Bill Howe Boulder, CO

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Going through some old fishing stuff last weekend, I came upon a reel I used a few years ago, before I "got serious" about fly fishing. I have completely forgotten what weight line I have on this reel, although I am confident it’s a floating DT. I’ve been advised that the only way to infer the weight of this line is to cast it on various rods until I find a rod weight on which it "feels right." I’m willing to give this a try, but first wanted to ask the newsgroup if there are any other techniques (measuring, weighing, etc.) that can give me a close approximation? Also, to avoid a repeat of this problem, how do folks who have multiple lines lying around "mark" them so this crutial information isn’t lost? Thanks. Bill Howe Boulder, CO

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Going through some old fishing stuff last weekend, I came upon a reel I used a few years ago, before I "got serious" about fly fishing. I have completely forgotten what weight line I have on this reel, although I am confident it’s a floating DT. I’ve been advised that the only way to infer the weight of this line is to cast it on various rods until I find a rod weight on which it "feels right." I’m willing to give this a try, but first wanted to ask the newsgroup if there are any other techniques (measuring, weighing, etc.) that can give me a close approximation? Also, to avoid a repeat of this problem, how do folks who have multiple lines lying around "mark" them so this crutial information isn’t lost? Thanks. Bill Howe Boulder, CO

Hi bill, We use a micrometer to measure the belly of the line. We can tell what weight they are from the diameter using factory charts. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going through some old fishing stuff last weekend, I came upon a reel I used a few years ago, before I "got serious" about fly fishing. I have completely forgotten what weight line I have on this reel, although I am confident it’s a floating DT. I’ve been advised that the only way to infer the weight of this line is to cast it on various rods until I find a rod weight on which it "feels right." I’m willing to give this a try, but first wanted to ask the newsgroup if there are any other techniques (measuring, weighing, etc.) that can give me a close approximation? Also, to avoid a repeat of this problem, how do folks who have multiple lines lying around "mark" them so this crutial information isn’t lost? Thanks. Bill Howe Boulder, CO

Fly lines are rated by the weight of their first thirty feet.  You can weigh this amount of line if you have a powder scale or other suitable scale and compare the known weight of the line against a standard.    If you don’t have a chart and can’t find one at the local fly shop, send me a note. I have a chart around somewhere. — Tim Ackerman "everyone lives downstream"

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Also, to avoid a repeat of this problem, how do folks who have multiple lines lying around "mark" them so this crutial information isn’t lost? Thanks.

Mark your reels with a piece of white tape such as used for price tags. You can either type or mark with indelible pen the type and weight of line on the reel. Do this for all reels. Who knows which reel is going to lay around next long enough to be forgotten. Regards, Steve

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Thanks to all who responded. I dug out an old powder scale and have successfully identified the weight of my mystery line by weighing the first 30 feet. The process of doing this is a little awkward, but it worked well. I tested this approach on a line that I knew to be a #8, and the first 30 feet weighed out at 211 grains … almost right on the nominal 210 grains in published data. For others in the newsgroup that may want to try this technique, here’s a table of weights per first 30 feet for different lines (BTW, there are 7,000 grains per pound). I got the weight values below from the excellent and graphically-intensive book "The Curtis Creek Manifesto" acquired from Timberline Sporting Goods in Casper, Wyoming. AFTMA Weight #   Grains/1st 30 feet 4           120 5           140 6           160 7           185 8           210 9           240 10          280 The technique I used to weigh my lines was to strip and measure 30 feet of fly line off my reel, bundle it (as one would a rope), and then set the bundle on the scale with the rest of the flyline resting gently on the benchtop. In one case, I left the leader attached as well, also allowing this to rest on the benchtop. The leader and remaining line will affect the weight measurement, but I found this affect to be only a few grains … not enough to make the line weight catagorization ambiguous. Bill Howe Boulder, CO

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks to all who responded. I dug out an old powder scale and have successfully identified the weight of my mystery line by weighing the first 30 feet. The process of doing this is a little awkward, but it worked well. I tested this approach on a line that I knew to be a #8, and the first 30 feet weighed out at 211 grains … almost right on the nominal 210 grains in published data. For others in the newsgroup that may want to try this technique, here’s a table of weights per first 30 feet for different lines (BTW, there are 7,000 grains per pound). I got the weight values below from the excellent and graphically-intensive book "The Curtis Creek Manifesto" acquired from Timberline Sporting Goods in Casper, Wyoming. AFTMA Weight #   Grains/1st 30 feet 4           120 5           140 6           160 7           185 8           210 9           240 10          280 The technique I used to weigh my lines was to strip and measure 30 feet of fly line off my reel, bundle it (as one would a rope), and then set the bundle on the scale with the rest of the flyline resting gently on the benchtop. In one case, I left the leader attached as well, also allowing this to rest on the benchtop. The leader and remaining line will affect the weight measurement, but I found this affect to be only a few grains … not enough to make the line weight catagorization ambiguous. Bill Howe Boulder, CO

I assume this to be for a floating line. Did you come across ratings for weighted lines? (ie. sink tip, full weighted, etc.) B.

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AFTMA Weight #   Grains/1st 30 feet 4           120 5           140 6           160 7           185 8           210 9           240 10          280 Boulder, CO I assume this to be for a floating line. Did you come across ratings for

weighted lines? (ie. sink tip, full weighted, etc.) B.

No, it’s for ALL lines, floating, sink-tip, or sinking. To make a line sink, the weight is unchanged ( since changing it would change the casting characteristics…), but the _DENSITY_ is increased. In other words, a sinking section of line will be smaller in diameter than a floating line of a given weight, but will weigh the same. By further decreasing the cross-section of the line, you can make it sink even faster. (Now do we all understand why we pay so much for these things? <<grin ) — Delete "NOSPAM" in address above before replying!(fraggin’ morons…) Joe Ellis     o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |  TesserAct Studios ()XDarwin(;        Now on the Web at      | Cincinnati, OH 45240 / /~LL~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |New Dimensions In Filk! Unsolicited commercial E-mail will be proofread at $25 hr/2 hr min.

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Hello all, A lucky friend is going to be visiting near Wells, B.C. (near Quesnel) at the end of March. He is really keen to take up fly fishing and wants to start up there…now I know the summer lake fishing in the Cariboos is fantastic, but I have no earthly idea what happens up there in March — isn’t everything still frozen solid, or would some nymphing in the local rivers be possible (and legal)? I kind of hate to tell the guy he’s going to have to wait for mid-April on the Credit since he’s never been to B.C. before in his life (and what better place to get the flyfishing bug!) Many thanks, — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

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I have fished that area as well as many others in B.C..I have ice fished in Feb. but never later.Ice doesn’t leave most lakes until April-some in May.I believe that most trout streams are closed in March.

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I have fished that area as well as many others in B.C..I have ice fished in Feb. but never later.Ice doesn’t leave most lakes until April-some in May.I believe that most trout streams are closed in March.

The lakes with the exception of some very large lakes will likley be iced. The ice will possibly be mushy and unsafe. Rivers are closed. Stay home tie some flys or paint the house. Ralph H

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Rivers are closed. Stay home tie some flys or paint the house. Ralph H

Thanks Ralph and DH, that’s as I suspected. My poor friend won’t be happy to hear it, but maybe I can talk him into going on a road trip there this summer…=) at least he’ll get to do some location scouting. — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, A lucky friend is going to be visiting near Wells, B.C. (near Quesnel) at the end of March. He is really keen to take up fly fishing and wants to start up there…now I know the summer lake fishing in the Cariboos is fantastic, but I have no earthly idea what happens up there in March — isn’t everything still frozen solid, or would some nymphing in the local rivers be possible (and legal)? I kind of hate to tell the guy he’s going to have to wait for mid-April on the Credit since he’s never been to B.C. before in his life (and what better place to get the flyfishing bug!) Many thanks, — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

Cariboo in  March In late march there should be some lakes open. Check the weather channel and there are some sites on the web like the City of Kamloops that will give you some adresses to look up.Also take into consideration the higher the altitude the latter the thaw. Steven  

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I am in the process of selecting a floattube.  I have done some research and have my selection down to 2 different tubes.  The first one is South Fork by buck bags, cost is about USD$450.00.  The other is the River Otter by Water Otter, cost of this is about $900.00.  Both have good selling points to be good floattubes.  But unfortunally have not had a chance to talk to anyone who as used or owns one. Most of our flyfishing is on rivers which seem to be at a flow rate of 400 – 700 CFM.  So it not a heavy moving river.   I am interested in any fedback on floattube selections. Thanks Dan Auga

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Go with the "Otter", much more versatile and comfortable. And safer for rivers.

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I am in the process of selecting a floattube.  I have done some research and have my selection down to 2 different tubes.  The first one is South Fork by buck bags, cost is about USD$450.00.  The other is the River Otter by Water Otter, cost of this is about $900.00.  Both have good selling points to be good floattubes.  But unfortunally have not had a chance to talk to anyone who as used or owns one. Most of our flyfishing is on rivers which seem to be at a flow rate of 400 – 700 CFM.  So it not a heavy moving river.   I am interested in any fedback on floattube selections.

Hi Don I assume you are referring to individual pontoon type crafts because the names you mention are that type not a float tube.  I own a couple of Water Otters and use them in my business (guide) as well as personally.   The outfitter I guide for sells the South Fork and also rents them when requested.  I’ve used the South Fork and it is a really great piece of equipment for the price.  The difference between the River Otter and the South Fork is basically the material the pontoons are constructed of. The South Fork pontoons are constructed from 1000 denier cordura with an inflatable blatter inserted — similar to a float tube.  The River Otter pontoons are constructed from halpalon — the same heavy stuff Avon rafts are made of.  That is basically the difference between the two. I think you should check another option, the Bucks Bronco.  It retails for about $750.00, has the halpalon pontoons and a padded folding seat.   Otherwise is almost the same as the South Fork. If cost is a concern I’d buy the South Fork and use it for a few years.   If you start to get leaks in the pontoons you could up grade to halpalon later. By the way I love my Water Otters but all these newer fancy pontoon boats were not available when I bought my Otters five years ago. If I had it to do over understanding the new crafts available today, I’d buy a Buck’s Bronco. Good luck! Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I will be in the Norway area of wester Maine in August and would like to do some flyfishing for trout.  Does anyone have any information? I would prefer streams, but lake information would be good also. Thanks. Wes Autio Pelham, Massachusetts

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I will be in the Norway area of wester Maine in August and would like to do some flyfishing for trout.  Does anyone have any information? I would prefer streams, but lake information would be good also. Thanks. Wes Autio Pelham, Massachusetts

August is not the best time to be in Norway, ME, looking for trout. Depending on how much time you have, your best bet would be the Rapid River, below Lake Richardson. This would be about an hour and a half drive, and a little hike, but easily the best bet in the area. The trout ponds in that area won’t be worth much in August, but you may find some trout in the upper reaches of the Crooked and Little Androscoggin Rivers. Both areas would be about a half hour drive from Norway. Good Luck. Joel Anderson

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I’m a native of Florida and have been tying my own flies for some time now. I have an assortment of 3 that Snook/Redfish and Trout kill in the backcountry of Central and South Florida. If I get good response from this message I’ll post a photo in the and sell them my mail order. Let me know what you think. -Mark Ballard I have been flyfishing in Jenson Beach area of Florida without great results..I would be interested in information on your {hot flies and how to fish them.     Thanks, TomI plan on a "business trip" to central Florida the first part of May and

plan to fish in the Titusville area.  I would like to know more about your flies and other patterns that are successful in the area.

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Mark: I am headed to S.W.Florida- would really like to have some trout and redfish flies and also the best type of places to fish them. Thanks-Alex

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I would like to hear about those flies also. Jerry Virzi

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For all these fish there are several types of flies that are very successful: 1)  Clouser Minnows 2)  Lefty’s Deceivers 3)  Crazy Charlies and other shrimp/crab immitations. These all work well on the Texas flats, assume they will work in Flordia or elsewhere.

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I’m a native of Florida and have been tying my own flies for some time now. I have an assortment of 3 that Snook/Redfish and Trout kill in the backcountry of Central and South Florida. If I get good response from this message I’ll post a photo in the and sell them my mail order. Let me know what you think. -Mark Ballard

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I’m a native of Florida and have been tying my own flies for some time now. I have an assortment of 3 that Snook/Redfish and Trout kill in the backcountry of Central and South Florida. If I get good response from this message I’ll post a photo in the and sell them my mail order. Let me know what you think. -Mark Ballard

I have been flyfishing in Jenson Beach area of Florida without great results..I would be interested in information on your {hot flies and how to fish them.     Thanks, Tom

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