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they tend to be much more     durable than the store-bought variety, and cost about 50 cents apiece.     Home-made leaders cost me about a dime apiece, if that. I can tell that you haven’t bought store-bought leaders in quite a while.     Willi

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 I have been reading about the advantages/disadvantages of leader material. The author of the book I’m reading seemed to indicate that manufactured knotless leaders can have a variability in performance because of the way the leader is tapered.  Knotted leaders gives more control of the proportions on the leader formulas to ensure the taper is more accurate. Also, there is the flexibility of using different types of leader material to customize the leader to the fishing conditions.  Like using a stiffer leader material on the butt and middle sections and more supple material on the presentation end of the leader. He also gets into the types of knots and whether or not "hinging" occurs and what impact that has on the transfer of energy from the rod to the line to the fly. Is there a preference by you guys whether or not you tie your own leaders or go with the ready-made pre-tapered leaders? Thanks, Eric p.s.  Thanks for the response on the tippet post.  A lot of good info there.

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I personally don’t really have a preference either way. I do find in some rivers where algae is a problem the need to constantly clear the knots on the leader of the weed or algae to be a pain, but  then I have to do that with the tippet knot anyway. In this day and age of convenience I find the range of tapered leaders now offered covers all of the fishing situations I do and it’s simple. I have a heavy piece of butt section needle knotted to the fly line, I attach a commercial leader to that and a tippet to the end of it and go fishing. Tying your own leaders can be fun, but I find the fun soon wears off. Umpqua have a phenomenal range of different leaders. check out their web site if you are interested, even if you don’t purchase your leaders their various different designs will give you some ideas for your own. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been reading about the advantages/disadvantages of leader material. The author of the book I’m reading seemed to indicate that manufactured knotless leaders can have a variability in performance because of the way the leader is tapered.  Knotted leaders gives more control of the proportions on the leader formulas to ensure the taper is more accurate. Also, there is the flexibility of using different types of leader material to customize the leader to the fishing conditions.  Like using a stiffer leader material on the butt and middle sections and more supple material on the presentation end of the leader. He also gets into the types of knots and whether or not "hinging" occurs and what impact that has on the transfer of energy from the rod to the line to the fly. Is there a preference by you guys whether or not you tie your own leaders or go with the ready-made pre-tapered leaders? Thanks, Eric p.s.  Thanks for the response on the tippet post.  A lot of good info there.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been reading about the advantages/disadvantages of leader material. The author of the book I’m reading seemed to indicate that manufactured knotless leaders can have a variability in performance because of the way the leader is tapered.  Knotted leaders gives more control of the proportions on the leader formulas to ensure the taper is more accurate. Also, there is the flexibility of using different types of leader material to customize the leader to the fishing conditions.  Like using a stiffer leader material on the butt and middle sections and more supple material on the presentation end of the leader. He also gets into the types of knots and whether or not "hinging" occurs and what impact that has on the transfer of energy from the rod to the line to the fly. Is there a preference by you guys whether or not you tie your own leaders or go with the ready-made pre-tapered leaders?

I almost always make my own because I think it’s easy and like you said I can use whatever material I want.  I can whip up a leader or fix one in a couple minutes out on the stream.  I don’t think there’s as much difference between some of these leader formulas as the creators imply, but still it’s nice to know you can quickly make changes to your leader once you know the basics of how they work and how to tie the knots.

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In this day and age of convenience I find the range of tapered leaders now offered covers all of the fishing situations I do and it’s simple. I have a heavy piece of butt section needle knotted to the fly line, I attach a commercial leader to that and a tippet to the end of it and go fishing. Tying your own leaders can be fun, but I find the fun soon wears off.

Sounds like you’re tying your own leaders the way it is.  Borger’s Uni-body leader is no more complicated than that.

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[...] I don’t think there’s as much difference between some of these leader formulas as the creators imply…

        Agreed.  There are more variations in leader formulae than Heinz has pickles and ketchup.  :-)  I’ve been using the simple formula in Kreh’s and Sosin’s "Practical Fishing Knots", and for 90% of the fishing I do, it works about as well as anything.   but still it’s nice to know you can quickly make changes to your leader once you know the basics of how they work and how to tie the knots.

        I think that’s the beauty of tying your own.  You can tweak your leader to the conditions and the characteristics of the fly you’re using and refine the presentation to what you need.  Sometimes this can really pay off.  Of course, other times, the leader configuration doesn’t matter a whit. Todd

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Perhaps so, so but in reality, that is the correct way to use store bought leaders with the butt section bit being the only real optional part. Tippet should always be added pretty much. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In this day and age of convenience I find the range of tapered leaders now offered covers all of the fishing situations I do and it’s simple. I have a heavy piece of butt section needle knotted to the fly line, I attach a commercial leader to that and a tippet to the end of it and go fishing. Tying your own leaders can be fun, but I find the fun soon wears off. Sounds like you’re tying your own leaders the way it is.  Borger’s Uni-body leader is no more complicated than that.

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I have been reading about the advantages/disadvantages of leader material. The author of the book I’m reading seemed to indicate that manufactured knotless leaders can have a variability in performance because of the way the leader is tapered.  Knotted leaders gives more control of the proportions on the leader formulas to ensure the taper is more accurate. Also, there is the flexibility of using different types of leader material to customize the leader to the fishing conditions.  Like using a stiffer leader material on the butt and middle sections and more supple material on the presentation end of the leader.

I prefer tying my own because a) it can get you back into rising fish faster, and b) the flexibility you mention above. He also gets into the types of knots and whether or not "hinging" occurs and what impact that has on the transfer of energy from the rod to the line to the fly.

I haven’t noticed any hinging with the double surgeon’s knot, and I think the presentation is comparable either way. I’m sure some strength is lost, as it is with any knot, but I haven’t lost any more fish with the hand-tied than with the store-bought. — TL, Tim

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Slightly off topic, but what book are you reading? Jim Ray

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been reading about the advantages/disadvantages of leader material. The author of the book I’m reading seemed to indicate that manufactured knotless leaders can have a variability in performance because of the way the leader is tapered.  Knotted leaders gives more control of the proportions on the leader formulas to ensure the taper is more accurate. Also, there is the flexibility of using different types of leader material to customize the leader to the fishing conditions.  Like using a stiffer leader material on the butt and middle sections and more supple material on the presentation end of the leader. He also gets into the types of knots and whether or not "hinging" occurs and what impact that has on the transfer of energy from the rod to the line to the fly. Is there a preference by you guys whether or not you tie your own leaders or go with the ready-made pre-tapered leaders? Thanks, Eric p.s.  Thanks for the response on the tippet post.  A lot of good info there.

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Is there a preference by you guys whether or not you tie your own leaders or go with the ready-made pre-tapered leaders?

I find the disadvantages of knots in leaders too great for dry fly fishing (viz. bits of flimsy mono catching on the knots.) I use a tapered leader tapered to a heavier weight – say four pounds – then tie a tippet of a lighter weight – say three pounds – maybe two or three feet. And then there’s a couple of feet of heavy mono attached to the line, with a loop in it. Keep cutting the tippet down till there’s no more, then add another. L

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The book is titled "Drag-Free Drift Leader Design and Presentation Techniques for Fly Fishing" by Joseph A. Kissane.  There’s an associated CD Rom that does leader calculations by Steven B. Schweitzer.  He’s cofounder of the Global Flyfisher website.  The book is actually pretty good.  The author is an engineer so it’s written in a technical writing style and is very detailed in parts.  Sometimes I feel like I’m reading a physics textbook. I’m an analyst by profession so I like to understand things. Sometimes I think it’s better not knowing whether my leader is hinging or not.  Like one guy posted on the Leaders & Tippet thread  that goes something like this: "I just tie it that way and it works.  Don’t know why." I think that’s all that counts. Eric

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Slightly off topic, but what book are you reading? Jim Ray I have been reading about the advantages/disadvantages of leader material. The author of the book I’m reading seemed to indicate that manufactured knotless leaders can have a variability in performance because of the way the leader is tapered.  Knotted leaders gives more control of the proportions on the leader formulas to ensure the taper is more accurate. Also, there is the flexibility of using different types of leader material to customize the leader to the fishing conditions.  Like using a stiffer leader material on the butt and middle sections and more supple material on the presentation end of the leader. He also gets into the types of knots and whether or not "hinging" occurs and what impact that has on the transfer of energy from the rod to the line to the fly. Is there a preference by you guys whether or not you tie your own leaders or go with the ready-made pre-tapered leaders? Thanks, Eric p.s.  Thanks for the response on the tippet post.  A lot of good info there.

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Hi Eric, I would say that today that about 90% of the fly fishers use knotless tapered leaders for trout. Why? Well, probably the same reason about 90% of the fly fishers buy flies? They don’t have the time or the skill. Actually, many anglers use knotless leaders for trout because they don’t want all those knots for stuff to catch on. Lots of very sophisticated fly fishers use tapered knotless leader, but they modify them a bit. Years ago we all tied our own leaders because the only ones you could buy were not too good. I still tie my own leaders for steelhead and salt water. I think everyone that wants to tie their own leaders, tie their own flies and build their own rods should do so because it is fun and can be very educational. After you tie your own knotted leaders and play with them to see how they work, you can use knotless tapered leaders and do some adjusting on them to get them to work just fine. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been reading about the advantages/disadvantages of leader material. The author of the book I’m reading seemed to indicate that manufactured knotless leaders can have a variability in performance because of the way the leader is tapered.  Knotted leaders gives more control of the proportions on the leader formulas to ensure the taper is more accurate. Also, there is the flexibility of using different types of leader material to customize the leader to the fishing conditions.  Like using a stiffer leader material on the butt and middle sections and more supple material on the presentation end of the leader. He also gets into the types of knots and whether or not "hinging" occurs and what impact that has on the transfer of energy from the rod to the line to the fly. Is there a preference by you guys whether or not you tie your own leaders or go with the ready-made pre-tapered leaders? Thanks, Eric p.s.  Thanks for the response on the tippet post.  A lot of good info there.

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Hi Eric, I would say that today that about 90% of the fly fishers use knotless tapered leaders for trout. Why? Well, probably the same reason about 90% of the fly fishers buy flies? They don’t have the time or the skill. Actually, many anglers use knotless leaders for trout because they don’t want all those knots for stuff to catch on…

I used knotless leaders for the first year or two that I fly fished, and they worked well enough, but I think my own leaders work even better. Having stuff catch on the knots is a minor to nonexistent "problem," or at least it is in the places I normally fish. When it does happen, removing the moss or whatever is pretty quick and simple. It only takes a few minutes to make a leader from scratch, and these leaders have, IMO, several important advantages. I can give it exactly the taper I want, I can use different kinds of monofilament in different parts of the leader (stiffer at the butt, softer at the tippet, for instance), and when rebuilding the leader at streamside, I know exactly where I am in the taper by following the knots. The toughest part is learning to tie a good blood knot, and it only takes a few leaders to get the hang of that. I tie my own flies for similar reasons. I can use exactly which materials I want, and modify or create patterns as I see fit,  they tend to be much more durable than the store-bought variety, and cost about 50 cents apiece. Home-made leaders cost me about a dime apiece, if that. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Hi Eric, I would say that today that about 90% of the fly fishers use knotless tapered leaders for trout. Why? Well, probably the same reason about 90% of the fly fishers buy flies? They don’t have the time or the skill.

What a "Right On" remark to make.  Great! Actually, many anglers use knotless leaders for trout because they don’t want all those knots for stuff to catch on.

Not, IMHO, anything but a cop out reason.  Doesn’t hold water because it is "The Fly" which must be kept clean at all times.   After you tie your own knotted leaders and play with them to see how they work, you can use knotless tapered leaders and do some adjusting on them to get them to work just fine.

Bill?  I really think you’re a savvy kind of shop owner and the majority of your advice is super.  But I have to say this about tapered leaders.  From Brand to Brand, there is nothing as consistant in fly fishing than the consistant inconsistant tapers of tapered leaders. The ONLY WAY to be assured of a sharp turn over and absolute control for the SERIOUS fly fisherman is to tie their own, or better put, roll their own leaders.  It is rare that anything catches knots in hand tied leaders, not unless the water is full of dissideous moss and junk and even then, a tapered leader still  has a minimum of two or three knots involved. I truely dislike tapered leaders because they are heat melted from a single large diameter butt section and pulled to a longer taper, not unlike pulling warm bubble gum out of one’s mouth.  No two strings or pull are the same. Never! I take my fly fishing much too seriously not to tie my own.  It is an art form just like fly tying.  Why would anyone deny themselves of this pleasure when it comes to "The Ways of a Trout?"  I just can’t fathom the mind set that uses tapered leaders. George Gehrke "who always rolls his own" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Hi Bill, I haven’t tried tying my own leaders yet but would like to. The knots in the leader seem to be the biggest drawback.  When I went with guide on Henry’s Fork, he set up "our rig" with a set up he tied himself.  I wished I had paid closer attention to what he had done.  We had a full day of great fishing and even for us rookies we could make decent casts (albeit not very far casts).  I buy the pre-made leaders and tie a tippet on the end.  They work well enough but the presentation is poor about half the time.  I’ve tinkered with cutting off certain parts and adding tippet where I think it might work better.  This trial and error approach does not always produce great results. I don’t get out as often as I like so I like to make the best of it when I do. I mostly fish high mountain lakes and as you probably know conditions can change rather quickly. If the day starts out warm and sunny, the leader has some nice flex to it.  Have the sun go behind the clouds and the wind kick up the leader gets stiff and my tippet will wrap around it like a rope on a tether ball pole.   Of course, that’s when the fishing starts to get hot and I’m there with a mess on the end of my fly line. Thanks, Eric

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Hard to compare a 50.00 pair of pants to an 800.00 appliance.

Cabelas should take an example from L.L.Bean.  While in high school I

bought  a pair of wool hunting pants with leather lined pockets.  About ten years later (I had gone into the Navy) I found them in

my closet.  The pants were in great shape but the leather pockets had dry rotted and fell apart.   Okay, they repair there boots

I’ll call and see if I can get a new set of pockets (I fully expected to pay).  L.L.Bean said to send them the pants and they would

look at them.   A month later I get a new pair in the mail with a letter saying that satisfaction is garrenteed for life and they

felt the leather should have outlasted the wool.  No Charge! When you are a top of the line company and treat your customers like your

job depends on each one (which it does) you form a brand – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – loyalty that makes your company solid and secure. — Bill Pentheny Adams Co. (Pa) Bassmasters Chesapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue www.cbrrescue.org

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Walter! L L Bean, Pants, $50.00? I need the catalog they send you. Best Mike N

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Cabelas should take an example from L.L.Bean.  While in high school I bought  a pair of wool hunting pants with leather lined pockets.  About ten years later (I had gone into the Navy) I found them in my closet.  The pants were in great shape but the leather pockets had dry rotted and fell apart.   Okay, they repair there boots I’ll call and see if I can get a new set of pockets (I fully expected to pay).  L.L.Bean said to send them the pants and they would look at them.   A month later I get a new pair in the mail with a letter saying that satisfaction is garrenteed for life and they felt the leather should have outlasted the wool.  No Charge! When you are a top of the line company and treat your customers like your job depends on each one (which it does) you form a brand loyalty that makes your company solid and secure. — Bill Pentheny Adams Co. (Pa) Bassmasters Chesapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue www.cbrrescue.org

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Maybe it is just me, but seems fair.  Buy something, do not get around to using it for a year, see the same thing for less or a better item, send back old unit for full credit.  Looks to me like a way for a company to end up Enron Style. As to Cabelas.  Ordered a reconditioned MinnKota 65 AP -60" shaft last Thursday.  They said should be here on the 16th.  Arrived today, $13 shipping for both items (also bought a retractable mount) from Nebraska to Calif. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, despite my best efforts in discussing this with Cabelas, it turns out they will NOT let me exchange my Minn Kota for the one with the internal transducer.  Darn!  They apparently have a 60-day window after purchase & will not help once the 60 days have passed.  I really thought they might help me since I explained that the motor is still in the box.  So fellas, remember this policy.  That motor was $750+, so apparently "how good a customer you are" plays no part in this policy.  I don’t know how this experience will affect my future orders with Cabelas.  Opinions? Warren2 Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2 I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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You are 100% correct in saying this Bill, I won’t hold it against Cabelas. It’s been 5 months or so, not quite a year.  I’m just cryin the blues I guess, it’s been a rough week old buddy. Warren2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe it is just me, but seems fair.  Buy something, do not get around to using it for a year, see the same thing for less or a better item, send back old unit for full credit.  Looks to me like a way for a company to end up Enron Style. As to Cabelas.  Ordered a reconditioned MinnKota 65 AP -60" shaft last Thursday.  They said should be here on the 16th.  Arrived today, $13 shipping for both items (also bought a retractable mount) from Nebraska to Calif. Bill Well, despite my best efforts in discussing this with Cabelas, it turns out they will NOT let me exchange my Minn Kota for the one with the internal transducer.  Darn!  They apparently have a 60-day window after purchase & will not help once the 60 days have passed.  I really thought they might help me since I explained that the motor is still in the box.  So fellas, remember this policy.  That motor was $750+, so apparently "how good a customer you are" plays no part in this policy.  I don’t know how this experience will affect my future orders with Cabelas.  Opinions? Warren2 Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2 I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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Well, despite my best efforts in discussing this with Cabelas, it turns out they will NOT let me exchange my Minn Kota for the one with the internal transducer.  Darn!  They apparently have a 60-day window after purchase & will not help once the 60 days have passed.  I really thought they might help me since I explained that the motor is still in the box.  So fellas, remember this policy.  That motor was $750+, so apparently "how good a customer you are" plays no part in this policy.  I don’t know how this experience will affect my future orders with Cabelas.  Opinions? Warren2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2 I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty  One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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Thanks fellas, I like what I’m hearing.  I’m gonna give this a go & let y’all know how I make out. Warren2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty  One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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I can only say I buy almost exclusively from Cabaleas because of their excellent service. I bought two Guest chargers  from them and both  of them was faulty  One wouldn’t shut off and the other wouldn’t charge I Called them and told them I couldn’t get to it as it was at my cottage 500 miles away. No problem  I got a replacement and it too was faulty  I sent them all back at this time and got credit. I had to eat the battery the charger burned up but this was not Cabaleas fault. I ended up ordering two new Duel Pro Chargers and haven’t had any further problems The point is the girl said she would make a note on my acct of the bad chargers and  she did. Cabeleas gets a A+ in my book I will be ordering my new fish finder from their as well as some fly fishing equipment. Their good service will net them several hundred dollars in sales from me JMO — Highlander

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I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones? 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have? Warren2

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You’d still come out ahead with Cabela’s. You will get full credit and only pay get free shipping on the replacement item. You will get stuck with shipping the motor back, but you will take a bath on eBay. — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones? Dunno. 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have? Ask Cabela’s. But know that you or they will have to eat shipping charges.  Probably you.   How ’bout selling the older motor here or on eBay?

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I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones?

Dunno. 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have?

Ask Cabela’s. But know that you or they will have to eat shipping charges.  Probably you.   How ’bout selling the older motor here or on eBay?

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…imagine if computer dealers would do that….I’d gladly pay shipping charges to upgrade every six months…let us know how it turns out, eh.

I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new

Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the

externally mounted ones? Dunno. 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the

newer version for the one I have? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ask Cabela’s. But know that you or they will have to eat shipping charges.  Probably you.   How ’bout selling the older motor here or on eBay?

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I buy a ton of stuff from Cabela’s, and they have the best customer service in the business, hands down. You probably don’t even need an RMA. Go to cabelas.com and get the live chat and you can take it up with them there. I’m sure you’ll be pleased. — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought a 74# MK Maxxum from Cabelas in the fall.  Now I get the new Catalog & they now have the same motor, only on the new model the transducer is inside the drive unit.  Two questions for you guys: 1) How do the internally-housed transducers compare sensitively to the externally mounted ones? 2) My motor is still in the box, never opened.  Will Cabelas swap me the newer version for the one I have? Warren2

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Frank;   I think you missed my e-mail as well. You must have a full batch of e-mails at home in a seperate folder. I’m in for an Orange/Gold/Brown Clouser Deep Minnow/Crawdad. Let us know how many we need to tie up–and a Postal address for you. Thanks for being the swapmeister.   Dave M

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Stan, don’t know what happened but I have yet to receive your post, and as well Bob Weinberger, Jamie Heim and Mike Connor.  Rest assured gentlemen, you are all on the list now.  Also, Chris Cook your name has been duly changed. Perhaps we can use roff and rofft as backup communication if the event this happens again.  Thank you all, an update to follow. Frank Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank: Did you miss my e-mail?  I sent you a message not 5 minutes after you posted the start of the swap…  Even put "FLYSWAP" in the subject like you asked? I signed up to do a dragonfly nymph, and my 14 year old son, Steve, signed up to do a Prince nymph. –Stan OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly

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Add my name to the list of missed e-mails. Actually, I sent two. I would like to do an olive mountain midge. Tim Lysyk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stan, don’t know what happened but I have yet to receive your post, and as well Bob Weinberger, Jamie Heim and Mike Connor.  Rest assured gentlemen, you are all on the list now.  Also, Chris Cook your name has been duly changed. Perhaps we can use roff and rofft as backup communication if the event this happens again.  Thank you all, an update to follow. Frank Church Frank: Did you miss my e-mail?  I sent you a message not 5 minutes after you posted the start of the swap…  Even put "FLYSWAP" in the subject like you asked? I signed up to do a dragonfly nymph, and my 14 year old son, Steve, signed up to do a Prince nymph. –Stan OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly

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Stan, don’t know what happened but I have yet to receive your post, and as well Bob Weinberger, Jamie Heim and Mike Connor.  Rest assured gentlemen, you are all on the list now.  Also, Chris Cook your name has been duly changed. Perhaps we can use roff and rofft as backup communication if the event this happens again.  Thank you all, an update to follow. Frank Church

and mine? Peter

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Me three, Since his news reader seems to be better than his Email I Replied to this post. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Me too, apparently you missed mine as well. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de Frank: Did you miss my e-mail?  I sent you a message not 5 minutes after you posted the start of the swap…  Even put "FLYSWAP" in the subject like you asked? I signed up to do a dragonfly nymph, and my 14 year old son, Steve, signed up to do a Prince nymph. –Stan OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly

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Frank, TBD is a technical term that roughly translates into "I haven’t a F(*&ing Clue what I’m going to tie – but I’ll tie something and I’ll try not to be the last one to submit my entries" Paul (to be determined)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That must be the famous Thorax Bodied Dunn.  I’m thinking of making it my first attempt at tying.  I’ll have to substitute a plastic Brillo pad for the Adelusian Grosebeak Hackle but it should work! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine! Alright Paul, you’re in for a TBD fly.  What’s a TBD fly, or am I gonna be sorry for asking? Frank C.

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Orange/Gold/Brown Clouser Deep Minnow/Crawdad

And the fly is easier to tie than pronounce?

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Stan;   Yeah–not only easier to tie than pronounce–but works like a charm for both Browns–for you Adipose fin fanatics–and Smallmouths for those of you of the cool/warmwater persuasion.   Dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stan, don’t know what happened but I have yet to receive your post, and as well Bob Weinberger, Jamie Heim and Mike Connor.  Rest assured gentlemen, you are all on the list now.  Also, Chris Cook your name has been duly changed. Perhaps we can use roff and rofft as backup communication if the event this happens again.  Thank you all, an update to follow. Frank Church Frank: Did you miss my e-mail?  I sent you a message not 5 minutes after you posted the start of the swap…  Even put "FLYSWAP" in the subject like you asked? I signed up to do a dragonfly nymph, and my 14 year old son, Steve, signed up to do a Prince nymph. –Stan OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly

_____  How many does one tie of a pattern, by the way Frank? — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly

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uh…..anybody got a pattern for a Miller dry?  Where can I get a white magic marker?? Will whiteout work? — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly

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….uh, Wayne ol buddy, have you considered having Dianna tie the flies?  I hear wimmin have a natural propensity for doing close-in highly detailed work. Frank (jest trying to help) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – uh…..anybody got a pattern for a Miller dry?  Where can I get a white magic marker?? Will whiteout work? — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine! OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly

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Frank Church writes: OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly

Frank, put me down for a Bottom Dweller Caddis Worm.  <g Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Frank, Put me down for a TBD fly. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly

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Okey dokie Dave, you’re down for a BDCW! Frank

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Frank Church writes: OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly Frank, put me down for a Bottom Dweller Caddis Worm.  <g Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Alright Paul, you’re in for a TBD fly.  What’s a TBD fly, or am I gonna be sorry for asking? Frank C.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Frank, Put me down for a TBD fly. Paul OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly

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That must be the famous Thorax Bodied Dunn.  I’m thinking of making it my first attempt at tying.  I’ll have to substitute a plastic Brillo pad for the Adelusian Grosebeak Hackle but it should work! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Alright Paul, you’re in for a TBD fly.  What’s a TBD fly, or am I gonna be sorry for asking? Frank C.

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Frank: Did you miss my e-mail?  I sent you a message not 5 minutes after you posted the start of the swap…  Even put "FLYSWAP" in the subject like you asked? I signed up to do a dragonfly nymph, and my 14 year old son, Steve, signed up to do a Prince nymph. –Stan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly

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Frank, please could you change the name I am under (Richard Cook) to Chris Cook? That is my name but we had to register the e-mail address as Richard. Anyway, the pattern I will by tying for the fly swap will be a goldhead sawyers nymph. As long as this suits everyone I will get tying straight away! Happy new year to you all Regards Chris Cook

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Frank, Like Stan, I also sent you an email right after you announced. I signed up to do a size 16 Biot & CDC Caddis.  Bob Weinberger

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly

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Frank,     Like the other two gents you seem to have missed my e-mail as well. I repiled shortly after your post went up. Anyhow, sign me up for a Mickey Finn (the greatest streamer of all time). I’ll include to more special flies for you to cover the Canadian postage. — Regards, Jamie  8^) http://clik.to/flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank, Like Stan, I also sent you an email right after you announced. I signed up to do a size 16 Biot & CDC Caddis.  Bob Weinberger OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly

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You tie as many as there are total swappers, minus one, unless you want one of your own flies sent back to you. Old Gray Swapmeister Stan, don’t know what happened but I have yet to receive your post, and as well Bob Weinberger, Jamie Heim and Mike Connor.  Rest assured gentlemen, you are all on the list now.  Also, Chris Cook your name has been duly changed. Perhaps we can use roff and rofft as backup communication if the event this happens again.  Thank you all, an update to follow. Frank Church

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank: Did you miss my e-mail?  I sent you a message not 5 minutes after you posted the start of the swap…  Even put "FLYSWAP" in the subject like you asked? I signed up to do a dragonfly nymph, and my 14 year old son, Steve, signed up to do a Prince nymph. –Stan OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly _____  How many does one tie of a pattern, by the way Frank? — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html    fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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My apologies Frank, and other swappers. I withdraw from the swap. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Mike Connor writes: My apologies Frank, and other swappers. I withdraw from the swap.

I understand.  I’ve been thinking the same. Dave

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Me too, apparently you missed mine as well. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank: Did you miss my e-mail?  I sent you a message not 5 minutes after you posted the start of the swap…  Even put "FLYSWAP" in the subject like you asked? I signed up to do a dragonfly nymph, and my 14 year old son, Steve, signed up to do a Prince nymph. –Stan OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the first update for the 2nd Annual Great Frank Church……. RabbitStrip Flasher Bob Beardall……. "Queen of the Water" dry fly

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Egads.  A brown truck just pulled into the driveway…… Shit…… just some Orvis bedroom slippers and pjs I ordered……. Louie

it. Still interested? — Mr. G.   ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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I’ve been boating for over 20 years and fly fishing for half of that…while waders will not "sink" you, they will act as a sea anchor if not used with a belt…they should  be great for keeping your feet warm when used with a dry suit…great idea.  KA I can’t imagine seriously wearing waders with the remote possiblility of a swim.  I’ve heard of several drownings resulting from waders filling up with water and sinking people like rocks.  Sure wouldn’t want to try it myself. …Steve Baker

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I can’t imagine seriously wearing waders with the remote possiblility of a swim.  I’ve heard of several drownings resulting from waders filling up with water and sinking people like rocks.  Sure wouldn’t want to try it myself. …Steve Baker

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Most people who drown in waders are wearing the old style rubberized canvass waders, they are big an baggy and would hold allot of water. Additionally most people who drown while wearing waders are not wearing a PFD.  Most modern waders are neoprene and have a snug fit.  Still you should always wear a belt to keep water from going down into the legs, and always wear a PFD, especially in cold water!!!!!!! SYOTR John Sims – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t imagine seriously wearing waders with the remote possiblility of a swim.  I’ve heard of several drownings resulting from waders filling up with water and sinking people like rocks.  Sure wouldn’t want to try it myself. …Steve Baker

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If you wear waders in white water, or anywhere there is a chance of a swim,  be sure to wear a good quality belt around the waist, and cinch it tight to keep water from getting into the bottoms.  Neoprene waders work best, but be sure and get ones that fit pretty tight.  From someone who has swam Double Z wearing waders, when he flipped a dory at 6′ in Late October, a few years back. SYOTR John Sims – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A couple of threads have mentioned wearing waders under paddling jacket. This sounds a little shakey (flooding etc), but I was thinking that I might try Gregg

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I tried it myself a couple years ago when I was playing with the Buzz SOT, and stayed bone dry. I made a neoprene belt. i dunno about classIV+ swims. Those experiments ended when I found a nearly new Kokatat dry suit for $200. But this winter I’ll combine them for a real cold trip. Gregg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -If you wear waders in white water, or anywhere there is a chance of a swim, be sure to wear a good quality belt around the waist, and cinch it tight to keep water from getting into the bottoms.  Neoprene waders work best, but be sure and get ones that fit pretty tight.  From someone who has swam Double Z wearing waders, when he flipped a dory at 6′ in Late October, a few years back. SYOTR John Sims A couple of threads have mentioned wearing waders under paddling jacket. This sounds a little shakey (flooding etc), but I was thinking that I might try Gregg

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A couple of threads have mentioned wearing waders under paddling jacket. This sounds a little shakey (flooding etc), but I was thinking that I might try neoprene waders under the dry suit. This would add a little more bulk and not all boats would have space. But putting the wader into the dry suit then donning the whole thing would eliminate wrestling with  the ankle gaskets. Feet would stay toasty dry, ass would also be warm and dry also and that alone should save lots of body heat. There might be excess air in the legs, but there wouldn’t be any reason not to walk out into 4′ feet of water for a quick burp out the neck gasket. This might actually be too warm for any padding when air temps aren’t below freezing, but that’s a risk I’d take. Risk of flooding would be exactly the same as the dry suit minus the waders . Maybe I should just get a thousand pair from China, slap on cool logos and sell them in Outside magazine for $200. Gregg

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Anyone know of a site with a Loon call .wav file on it?  We are looking for one to put on a new fly fishing site. — Paul Phillips Director of Operations Fintastic Fish Mounts http://www.fintastic.com/ Remove the 1 for E-mail

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Anyone know of a site with a Loon call .wav file on it?  We are looking for one to put on a new fly fishing site.

The Roger Tory Peterson bird watching CD (Houghton Mifflin) has good recordings of bird calls: copyright of course. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Anyone know of a site with a Loon call .wav file on it?  We are looking for one to put on a new fly fishing site. Not .wav but I have had a *.au loon call at my fishing page for years. See:  http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~powlesla/personal/fishing/

… you post this and suddenly Tim’s back! He heard it, he heard it! Ralph H note spurious hyperbole, insults and ‘personal attacks’ made by the author are meant to honour "the Soul of Cicero" and are not intended as personal slights. Please don’t take offense as none is intended. remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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Anyone know of a site with a Loon call .wav file on it?  We are looking for one to put on a new fly fishing site. Not .wav but I have had a *.au loon call at my fishing page for years. See:  http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~powlesla/personal/fishing/

Why on earth would anyone want a recorded Loon call?  I spent more weekends than I care to remember in the BWCA as a kid with my Dad getting eaten alive by blackflies, having to endure the never-ending Loon calls.   Oh the Loons were pretty cool for the first couple seasons, but after One swam by our tent one night, and cut loose about 30 feet from it.   That’ll turn you off to Loons in a real hurry, believe you me.  Right up there with seagulls (read: skyrats), Gray Jays, and whip-poor-wills. BTW:  I NEVER liked the Blackflies. </chaz

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My wife usually says…… =8^)

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Hi All, There is a lot of low elevation action right now in Nor Cal. We have the striper spawning run that is below and above my town of Sacramento now. April/May/ June is prime time so go for it. There are small spring run steelhead and trout in all the valley rivers/streams and they are feeding on salmon fry and insects. The black bass are really taking off now especially on the sunny days. The shad run is getting close with May/June being the prime months for wading. They will be boat fishing for them very soon. Many low elevation lakes are seeing the end of the winter trout before they go deep and the bass are coming to the banks with the warm weather. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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Trip Report of Sorts We got majorly lost driving back to anaheim from universal studios…last week. We missed the turnoff from 10 to 5 and didn’t notice it until we hit highway 15, Ontario, etc. and I told the driver….uh…."what road are we on…?". Ugly American Tourists on their day off. Your pal, — TBone The Halfordian Golfer

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, There is a lot of low elevation action right now in Nor Cal. We have the striper spawning run that is below and above my town of Sacramento now. April/May/ June is prime time so go for it. There are small spring run steelhead and trout in all the valley rivers/streams and they are feeding on salmon fry and insects. The black bass are really taking off now especially on the sunny days. The shad run is getting close with May/June being the prime months for wading. They will be boat fishing for them very soon. Many low elevation lakes are seeing the end of the winter trout before they go deep and the bass are coming to the banks with the warm weather. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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Trip Report of Sorts We got majorly lost driving back to anaheim from universal studios…last week. We missed the turnoff from 10 to 5 and didn’t notice it until we hit highway 15, Ontario, etc. and I told the driver….uh…."what road are we on…?". Ugly American Tourists on their day off. Your pal,

Shit, if you didn’t notice until you got to Ontario – you were REALLY lost.  :) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Okay Bill, you convinced me.  I will leave these 30 lb stripers in the Chesapeake and the shad run and head to California.  Thanks for the tips by the way.  I talked to my buddy and he is bringing his raft and rowing frame. We will get a guide (hopefully) on the Lower Sac for Saturday and then raft it on Sunday and Monday. By the way, with my history, you might want to call the volunteer fire departments for the areas downstream from Redding and alert them to my presence.  They might want to stock up on grappling hooks.  Anyone else with a video camera is free to film from a safe distance.  Again, I thank you and my widow thanks you. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Shit, if you didn’t notice until you got to Ontario – you were REALLY lost.  :) Peter

Hey, I grew up 10 miles from Ontario, does that mean I can claim dual citizenship? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Shit, if you didn’t notice until you got to Ontario – you were REALLY lost.  :) Peter Hey, I grew up 10 miles from Ontario, does that mean I can claim dual citizenship?

Frank, we’d be proud to call you one of ours.  Hell, you’d fit right in.  (Not sure if that’s a good thing, though?) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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(excuse if this is a duplicate, but my server is a bit wanky) Okay Bill, you convinced me.  I will leave these 30 lb stripers in the Chesapeake and the shad run and head to California.  Thanks for the tips by the way.  I talked to my buddy and he is bringing his raft and rowing frame. We will get a guide (hopefully) on the Lower Sac for Saturday and then raft it on Sunday and Monday. By the way, with my history, you might want to call the volunteer fire departments for the areas downstream from Redding and alert them to my presence.  They might want to stock up on grappling hooks.  Anyone else with a video camera is free to film from a safe distance.  Again, I thank you and my widow thanks you. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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We got majorly lost driving back to anaheim from universal studios…last week. We missed the turnoff from 10 to 5 and didn’t notice it until we hit highway 15, Ontario, etc. and I told the driver….uh…."what road are we on…?".

Yeah, the 4-level.  Depending on which way you hit that interchange where the 10, 101, 5, 110 all seem to merge, you might have to cross 4 lanes of highway in 1/8 mile to reach your desired destination. Mu

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I’m planning a vacation for the end of July, and was considering the Shasta region of Northern Cal.  To fish the McCloud, Trinity,etc.  What I’ve read however seems to promote an awful lot of private water, and I’m not going to be able to afford guided trips.  Can anyone clue me in as to public access out there, and what to expect?  If I’m going to be frustrated by access, I’d rather go to Montana/Idaho/Wyoming as I usually do.  Thanks in advance. Ray P

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Yes by all means go to Montana/Idaho/Wyoming we don’t have any guides and the water is all private. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m planning a vacation for the end of July, and was considering the Shasta region of Northern Cal.  To fish the McCloud, Trinity,etc.  What I’ve read however seems to promote an awful lot of private water, and I’m not going to be able to afford guided trips.  Can anyone clue me in as to public access out there, and what to expect?  If I’m going to be frustrated by access, I’d rather go to Montana/Idaho/Wyoming as I usually do.  Thanks in advance. Ray P

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(Rapalm) writes: I’m planning a vacation for the end of July, and was considering the Shasta region of Northern Cal.  To fish the McCloud, Trinity,etc.  What I’ve read however seems to promote an awful lot of private water, and I’m not going to beable to afford guided trips.  Can anyone clue me in as to public access out there, and what to expect?  If I’m going to be frustrated by access, I’d rather go to Montana/Idaho/Wyoming as I usually do.  Thanks in advance. Ray P

Hi Ray, There’s huge amounts of public water on the McCloud, Upper Sac, Trinity, Hat Creek, Pit River, Upper Klamath River, etc.     The McCloud has about a 3 mile section that is owned and operated by the Nature Conservancy and they limit access to a max of 10 rods at any one time.  All of the area from the McCloud Reservoir (lake) down to this is public access and great water.  Lots of public access above the reservoir too, but mostly stocked because it is open to bait fishing.  The Upper Sac has ~ 40 miles of public access.  Virtually all of the Trinity, Hat Creek, Pit River and Upper Klamath are open to public access. The Fall River is totally surrounded by private land but there is public access provided by CalTrout by  Island Bridge.  You do need a pram or other small boat to fish it, ther is no bank access.  The Fall and the section of Hat Creek below the influx of the Rising River are both big spring creeks.  The others are freestone streams.  Scenery is much different than Montana – much greener. Exception would be the Fall River which is best characterised as a large meadow stream that barely moves. Best to call before you come to see what conditions are on the different rivers.  I can tell you what the current conditions are on the McCloud and Upper Sac because I guide on those rivers.  Although I’ve guided in the past on the Fall and on Hat Creek, I’m not sure I’ll do so this year.  The Fly Shop in Redding is usually a good source for info on most of the N. CA rivers.  The Trinity Fly Shop will have current info on the Trinity.  With all the snow and rain we’ve had this year, I’d expect July to be good in N CA.                                            Good Fishing,                                                     Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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I am rebuilding a 7wt and need a handle, prefer one with a small fighting butt,  Thanks, Jay

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I am rebuilding a 7wt and need a handle, prefer one with a small fighting butt,  Thanks, Jay

Hi Jay, The River’s Edge in Bozeman carries a good line of rod building components include Sage second blanks.  You can call them at 406-586-5373.  Good Luck. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Does anybody have any data or marketing research on the percentage of all anglers who fly fish (in the North East Region).  Doing a marketing project at school.  e-mail preferred. Thanks -Paul

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Does anybody have any data or marketing research on the percentage of all anglers who fly fish (in the North East Region).  Doing a marketing project at school.  e-mail preferred. Thanks -Paul

Paul there was a survey done by some one last summer, who funded I’m not sure. It might be the FFF or AFTMA….the results of the survey were ( are ) very expensive. Might e-mail Al Beatty for some info on this one….Sort thru the mailing lists in this news group as Al often answers alot of ques for folks.  I did get some demo info from Fly Rod and Reel Mag. Their surveys indicate that the ave age is 45, male, makes 45k+, has like 3 rods, 2 reels and has an education of some college as a minimum. Some thing like 50-60% have a college and professional degree. The stats are a marketers dream come true… Big bucks, educated and all of that. I’d write the ad dept at Rod and Reel for a copy. Most popular fish???? Wrong not trout…its bluegill surprise! Good luck.

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There are 64 flyfishermen!

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None. Just a million pathological liars, myself included Dale

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Did anyone catch a Namaycush on a fly (wet or dry)?

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: Did anyone catch a Namaycush on a fly (wet or dry)? I fish lake trout quite frequently on the fly, in the spring, just after ice-out.  I normally throw a sink-tip or sinking line.  If the laker population is largely piscivorous (fish-eating), I start near an inflowing stream where they’ll probably be gorging on baitfish in fairly shallow water.  In Switzerland, I expect bream and perch are likely forage.  In these conditions, I’ll go with some kind of a flashy streamer.  With planktivorous lake trout populations (those feeding mainly on invertebrates), some kind of an emerger pattern, matching the activity you see in the water, is usually a good bet.  I’ve never caught a _really_ big one like this, but I can assure you that a 4 kg fish on a 4 weight rod is certainly a memorable experience! In my area, flies are pretty much out of contention by mid-June, unless you’re fishing a really smal, spring-fed lake, wherein you might be able to use a fast-sinking line and get them all summer long!  Oh joy; oh bliss! Hope this helps.  Tchuss! —                                 | Dave Fluri                      |       "No me agaro ya de nada, para North Bay, Ontario, Canada      |        asi no tener nada que defender."                                 |               -Carlos Castaneda                                 |

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