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Bob, If either of you go, or any Roffian for that matter, please try to find these guys and let me know: Acheson Technologies, LLC 6337 South Jamaica court Englewood, CO 80111 (888) 302-0067 They allegedly manufacture the RodRack, which transports fully assembled fly rods on the exterior of vehicles. Rod locks inside unit, unit locks to vehicle. El Paso Bob with another fly fishing specific question – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Is the Denver FF show coming up on Jan. 6 & 7th a worthwhile event? Any Roffers going?  Normally, I wouldn’t drive that far but I have a daughter (and sis-in law) in Denver and there’s always shopping for the wife.  (Might have to drop by Charlie’s and pick up some more books.) Snoop

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Thanks for the heads-up on this show. Where is it being held? I haven’t seen any ads for it.

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There is a web site with a complete list of things going on at www.flyfishingshow.com Laurence

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  Is the Denver FF show coming up on Jan. 6 & 7th a worthwhile event? Any Roffers going?  Normally, I wouldn’t drive that far but I have a daughter (and sis-in law) in Denver and there’s always shopping for the wife.  (Might have to drop by Charlie’s and pick up some more books.) Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I picked up a brochure, and it looks like it will be a pretty good show. This is the first year for a show of this format in Denver, but it looks pretty good, with world renowned tyers, book signings, and all sorts of demos. I’ll even put you up for a night or two, if you’re so inclined.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Is the Denver FF show coming up on Jan. 6 & 7th a worthwhile event? Any Roffers going?  Normally, I wouldn’t drive that far but I have a daughter (and sis-in law) in Denver and there’s always shopping for the wife.  (Might have to drop by Charlie’s and pick up some more books.) Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I picked up a brochure, and it looks like it will be a pretty good show. This is the first year for a show of this format in Denver, but it looks pretty good, with world renowned tyers, book signings, and all sorts of demos. I’ll even put you up for a night or two, if you’re so inclined.

Charlie,   Thanks for your kind offer.  Got beer????   I’m heading to the Bighorn tomorrow for a couple of days.  I’ll see what kind of shape I’m in when I return & decide whether or not to make the trip.  I would like to visit you and Pat for one day if I come down.  I suppose I should visit my daughter too, but she doesn’t fish:)   Are you going to the show? Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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  Is the Denver FF show coming up on Jan. 6 & 7th a worthwhile event? Any Roffers going?  Normally, I wouldn’t drive that far but I have a daughter (and sis-in law) in Denver and there’s always shopping for the wife.  (Might have to drop by Charlie’s and pick up some more books.) Snoop

Charlie Framinski show is on the 6th & 7th of January.  Chuck says the turn out will be at least 4 – 5,000 people, which is a lot of fly fishermen.  Doug Swisher and I will be attending.  I will have a rather straight forward, plain booth with some of our general products along with bamboo fly rods anyone is welcome to inspect and see for themselves what is is we are doing today. Shopping in general at the Mart is a rather complete place from what I understand.  I think the show is at the intersection of I-25 & I-70, which is the MouseTrap area of Denver.  There is a Quality Inn on the location, I understand.  Its been a while since I’ve been in that area but I did live in Colorado for many years.   I will be landing at Jefferson County Airport and will just rent a car. This show is 100% FLY FISHING, so the turn out won’t be in the hundreds of thousands as they are with all purpose sports shows Snoop.  Yet, I’m going to attend and may be in Denver on or before Friday because I think the booths set up on Friday, is my guess.  I just got the packet but haven’t had time to read it yet. I think it may well be your while to attend, if only to try some fly casting and getting some bargains on all sorts of fly fishing stuff. These shows are usually good places to find fly tying materials and for getting good ideas. Hope to see you there.  Drop by and say hello.  Hope this helps others who are thinking of attending Chucks All Fly Fishing Sports Show in Denver this coming weekend. — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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I understand the Denver Fly Fishing Show is next weekend. There is a remote possibility I will drive over from Kansas. Any of the Colorado poster’s going to try and attend? Wayne

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I understand the Denver Fly Fishing Show is next weekend. There is a remote possibility I will drive over from Kansas. Any of the Colorado poster’s going to try and attend?

      Ain’t gonna "try" to attend, I will absolutely be there. Last years’ show was the first time they’ve done the all-flyfishing format, and it was a great cure for cabin fever. This year’s show promises to be even better.       How shall we try to spot each other? Pink bridesmaid’s hats?

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i am planning on dropping by…haven’t been before… thought i might check it out… richard / colorado

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      How shall we try to spot each other? Pink bridesmaid’s hats?

I’ll be coming from Kansas, look for the Ruby Slippers As I said, it is a REMOTE possibility, due to driving the daughter to the Wichita airport on Friday and some other such stuff. If it looks like I can make it, I’ll send you an email late Friday night or early Sat morning before I leave with my pager and cell number so we can meet up. That is, if you were going to be there in the afternoon. Wayne

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"Wayne Knight" As I said, it is a REMOTE possibility, due to driving the daughter to the Wichita airport on Friday and some other such stuff. If it looks like I can make it, I’ll send you an email late Friday night or early Sat morning before I leave with my pager and cell number so we can meet up. That is, if you were going to be there in the afternoon.

     Okee doke. Don’t be offended if I don’t answer anything prior to Fri evening, we’re heading over to Aspen in a couple of hours and won’t be back until late Fri.

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I understand the Denver Fly Fishing Show is next weekend. There is a remote possibility I will drive over from Kansas. Any of the Colorado poster’s going to try and attend?

I’ll meet you in the Cathy Beck autograph line at noon. — The Halfordian Golfer

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Wayne Knight: I understand the Denver Fly Fishing Show is next weekend. There is a remote possibility I will drive over from Kansas. Any of the Colorado poster’s going to try and attend?

Charlie Wilson:       How shall we try to spot each other? Pink bridesmaid’s hats?

I should be easy to find. I’ll be wearing a flannel shirt and a ball cap. (Seriously though, it shouldn’t be too hard to come up with something more or less unique. Bolo ties would do the trick. After all, it’s either that or else those giant foam rubber cowboy hats.) — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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George, I honestly think no one wants a $300 cane rod, that is why you have to push them all the time. Cane rods are not for newbies , they are for enthusiasts. They cannot compete with graphite on pure performance, although you say yours can!  Cane  if for when you discover that hertage and  presentation is what draws you to the sport. Fly fishing has more to with history  and the joy of fishing with a piece of equipment that  the maker has spent some time on and not  his rejects. George, this is a new mellenium where folk are prepared to spend a little cash on a nice piece of equipment.  I live in an area where cycling is a big thing. Do they all ride $100 bikes? no chance, they all ride hand made racing bikes and dress up to match, even if they look bloody stupid. Dont sell yourself short George, good cane has never ben cheap.  Terry   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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George G. writes: I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.  

Well, my oldest grandson and I just returned from a wonderful trip to Labrador.  Fishing was tough because of flood conditions and the weather, but we caught some nice brook trout on #16 and #18 Goddard Caddis’.   We had trouble keeping the fly afloat because of the wind and rain, but Jeff used Dave’s Bug Flote (sic), and I used Albolene and the problem was solved. Both worked really well, as well as any floatant on the market. Dave LaCourse "The Sag Continues"

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<< I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   George, take a moment and look at your last months worth of posts.  They consist almost entirely of infammatory topics.  Hell, I would love to talk fishing with you.  You only about two hours from me and we could probably share a lot of information but you can’t seem to keep yourself out of the bullseye. I know there are a lot of people here who don’t like you and that makes it difficult to post anything without somebody twisting it and taking a shot at you.  However, an awful lot of your post are self centered and self serving and that turns the rest of us off.  We all have our faults and I am by no means perfect but I have to tell ya that you bring an awful lot of grief down on yourself by the way you write and by what you choose to write about. Why don’t you just let ROFF go?  There are some great local fly fishing newsgroups that focus on fishing and not ego’s and hate wars.  Focus your energy there. Mike Spokane, WA

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Good God George, take a pill or something…..There is no need what so ever for your diatribes. Go to Montana and chill for heaven sake. Harry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off."

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The only saga that continues – your irrationality.  There’s no point responding to your post line-by-line, the self-serving bullshit it contains is obvious to everyone.  So let me put this as succintly as possible – GO AWAY! Peter

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Why don’t you just let ROFF go?  There are some great local fly fishing newsgroups that focus on fishing and not ego’s and hate wars.  Focus your energy there. Mike Spokane, WA

__– Well simply put, because I have several hundred people who stalk roff and like what we say regarding fly fishing.  It is the unsung heroes of fly fishing who wait patiently for those nice articles and I will continue to post those articles Mike in a straight forward and hopefully, interesting manner. I understand what you’re saying, and we will try to improve in that area.  Other than that, I think there is a small group here in Roff that I wouldn’t give the time of day too.  You should hear what that silent majority has to say about the flamers and smart mouths out east and in Germany.  They are fed up with them and it isn’t I that they are mostly unhappy with.  What they complain the most about is ROFF doesn’t talks about fishing enough.   Other than that, I agree with you and we should get together sometime soon.  Possibly when this entire crew gets back from the expedition? Thanks for your input, but I’m not leaving.  There are too many on the back stage who support me more than the other side.  The challenge still stands.   — "the saga will continue on my terms" In the meantime, we are working hard on the web site for all our friends and clients.   http://www.gink.com/  Just talk fly fishing!

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Good God George, take a pill or something…..There is no need what so ever for your diatribes. Go to Montana and chill for heaven sake. Harry

Talk fly fishing Harry.  Talk fly fishing.  Nothing else matters. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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__– Well simply put, because I have several hundred people who stalk roff and like what we say regarding fly fishing.  It is the unsung heroes of fly fishing who wait patiently for those nice articles and I will continue to post those articles Mike in a straight forward and hopefully, interesting manner.

Why don’t you and your legion of imaginary friends go and get fucked? — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met.

Let’s see who’s the honest one here you arrogant SOB. Perhaps we should email that little ditty to every creditor on your bankruptcy list whom we could find an email address for. Oh yea, I also have the email where you acknowledged "there were problems" with the $300 rods. So much for the challenge being met. Wayne Tired of Kansas (no trout and the sms is ungodly expensive) Tired of Not Fishing And Tired of the Bullshit.

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Grow up, George. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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"Can’t we all just get along…ppplease, people, (sniff)…?" Alex (thoroughly amused at the seriousness with which some folks take themselves).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

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As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break? Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address) Intertwined loops "will" have a tendancy to cut each other.

Learn to use a palomar knot.  They are easier and faster to tie than the clinch and improved clinch knots, and stronger too.  The only setback is that the line must go through the eye of the hook twice, which can be rather tricky on some smaller flies.  I’ve often wondered why more people don’t use this knot. TimeRanger is absolutely correct: intertwined loops WILL cut each other under stress.  When pulled they will effectively form a kink in each loop which will be MUCH weaker than the surrounding line.  They’ll hold up just fine until you’ve got a fish or a snag and then you’ll lose both fly and tippet material. Tom Before you buy.

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Learn to use a palomar knot.  They are easier and faster to tie than the clinch and improved clinch knots, and stronger too.  The only setback is that the line must go through the eye of the hook twice, which can be rather tricky on some smaller flies.  I’ve often wondered why more people don’t use this knot.

I don’t really think there’s anything special about the palomar knot, or the turle knot, other than the fact they specifically call for going through the eye twice.  You can tie other basic knots by going through the eye twice.  The clinch knot works fine for example.  Put the line through the eye, then over (or under, depending on up or down eye) the shank just behind the eye, then back through the eye.  Art Lee called it the Tweed Clinch I think.  I found it works just fine with the uniknot as well.  Makes a cool knot. Regards, Jeff

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I don’t really think there’s anything special about the palomar knot, or the turle knot, other than the fact they specifically call for going through the eye twice.  ……  What makes it quite special for me is that it is one  of the very few knots that I can tie reasonably quickly  without wearing my reading glasses.  greg.

What are the smallest hook-size flies that you use? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break? Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)

LOL…I almost could get a headache thinking about it! I assume that if you’re new to the sport you probably don’t have a lot of flies (yet!).   I probably take several thousand with me on a trip, and am carrying up to several hundred at any one time (including the various sizes).   It’s not unusual for me to have thirty or forty drying on my vest by the end of a day.   Where are all those leaders going to go?  They sure won’t fit into the small fly boxes that I carry, and the leaders flapping around while the flies are drying on my vest might get a bit bothersome. Tippet size:  though tippet size is generally determined by fly size, at times you may want to go down (spooky fish in crystal water) or up (monsters breaking off, and not selective about tippet size).   Would you have extras tied to take care of any eventuallity? Line memory:  you probably already are having to run the tippet through your fingers on ocassion, to get out the loops.   If you have tight little coils of tippet attached to the flies for any length of time – say a few months – you’re likely to see that problem increased many-fold.   If you don’t coil the line, you’ll have to have some sort of 2′ long fly box for the leaders to stay straight. Casting problems: back when I started, we tied our own leaders, using different sized leader material, graduating down to smaller sizes, for good ‘turn over.’   All the knots in the leader made for some interesting tangles, at times, especially in windy conditions.  The invention of the one-piece tapered leader was quite a boon for many of us.  Now you want to start adding more loops and knots? But go ahead and try it and get back to the board with your results. Who knows, you might find a solution that will be the next big step in fly fishing.  After all, they laughed at Orville and Wilbur, too… Best of luck. Max Before you buy.

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I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break? Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)

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I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break? Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)

Your idea will work just fine.  Probably the best knot to use is Lefty Kreh’s nonslip loop – it is plenty strong for what you are suggesting. The joined loops have never spooked fish in my experience.  Just let me warn you that it won’t be quite as efficient as you might think.  Even loops cut and weaken after awhile, so you will need to retie your loop every now and then.  Retying the loop will eat up quite a bit of leader, and putting tippet on all those flies will sure put a dent in that $9 roll of fluorocarbon  (sp?). If you do give this procedure a try I would recommend (for most western dry fly/nymph applications) using about a 7 1/2 leader tapered to 2X, and then looping in about a 2-3 foot piece of either 3X or 4X. I still use this procedure sometimes myself, but in general I am content just to tie the water knot (4 turn surgeons knot).   The connection is strong, clean, and simple, and efforts to prolong leader life are pretty well doomed from the start.  If you go ahead and try your procedure for a while, I would really like to hear how it goes for you. John.

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I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break?

Ignoring for a moment the fact that the typical flyfisherman may carry hundreds of flies, people won’t do this because it requires foresight. How many times have you guys been furiously changing flies to cast to a rising fish, and you find out that the fly you want to use has a little knot of tippet in the eye? Either that, or the barb isn’t bent down. Or the hook isn’t sharp. Whatever, it’s precious seconds lost. A rational angler would make sure all his flies were ready to go before he hits the stream. I just snip off the old fly and toss it back in the box in whatever condition it’s in. Actually, Ken, since you’re new to the sport I expect it takes you quite awhile to tie surgeon’s knots and clinch knots (or whatever you use). With practice you’ll get much faster. That’s actually a big step, because as you get faster the idea of changing flies and tippets won’t be as loathesome, so you’ll experiment more and probably catch more fish. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break? Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)

Intertwined loops "will" have a tendancy to cut each other.  

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I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break? Ken

Ken, you have just re-invented the snelled hook!  This is the way they actually did it in the old days, back before somebody had the bright idea to put eyes on the hooks.  Of course, the snell was made of gut, which you had to soak with water the day before you went fishing to soften it up, along with your leaders. To see the weakness of this system, consider the fact that the average fly fisherman accumulates flies in his or her fly vest at a rate of approximately 400 per year (after a few years they will start to breed on their own.)  Just think about having to manage all those thousands of bits of string.  I would almost be afraid to open up one of my fly boxes. Kevin

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Because the number of flys carried would cause a massive snarl of tippet. If interested, there is however an answer to the delima. There is on the market a small clip that is so light it floats. tieing it with a loop permits flys to properly oriet themselves and saves tippet tying. You can purchase them at some fly shops or from the Cabelas catalog. John Popp

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break? Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)

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Gee — camouflage suspenders — sounds like the perfect addition to my fishing wardrobe — I knew something was missing…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi my name is Jeff and I have these things for sale If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..! SHAKESPEARE – $41.00 CAN plus shipping Factory  Balanced Alpha- KSP66 2M, Medium Action Rod,  6′6", 6-12lb line, twist lock and release reel design rod, & Alpha 2540 Graphite EZ Cast, bearing drive reel. FENWICK Eagle GLC EF867  Fly Rod, 7 weight 31/4oz. – $160.00 CAN 8′6"rod, includes protective rod sleeve and monogrammed nylon tubular case with zippered end  . TUNDRA Back Packs – $38.00 CAN two for $70.00 Water proof construction with water resistant zippers, large front pouch with latch and zipper. Bullet Shaped Lighters – $5.95 each or two for $10.95 plus shipping. (CAN) With key chain clip. Made from solid brass. These lighters are waterproof and have rubber ‘o’ rings at both ends. Refillable with liquid fuel. Very handy for emergency lights while hunting, fishing or hiking. Come in solid brass and chrome plate. Wildlife Fridge Magnets – Large lifelike animal fridge magnets. 3D design with airbrush finish. Items come in Bass, Pickerel(walleye), and White-tailed deer.  They Look so real on the fridge that you’ll be grabbing for your rod & reel (or your riffle) before your morning coffee..! $5.85 each CAN or  The Whole Wildlife Collection for $15.97 CAN plus shipping. Camouflage Suspenders – Button-0n type for pants or Clip-0n type for pants. 1 1/2" wide strap quality Canadian made. Real tree pattern. Blend in with the rest of your camouflage gear. $19.95 CAN plus shipping. If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..!

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I know what should be missing…….this thread from the —  The RodMaker(aka)  The Shadow……hehehe

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gee — camouflage suspenders — sounds like the perfect addition to my fishing wardrobe — I knew something was missing… Hi my name is Jeff and I have these things for sale If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..! SHAKESPEARE – $41.00 CAN plus shipping Factory  Balanced Alpha- KSP66 2M, Medium Action Rod,  6′6", 6-12lb line, twist lock and release reel design rod, & Alpha 2540 Graphite EZ Cast, bearing drive reel. FENWICK Eagle GLC EF867  Fly Rod, 7 weight 31/4oz. – $160.00 CAN 8′6"rod, includes protective rod sleeve and monogrammed nylon tubular case with zippered end  . TUNDRA Back Packs – $38.00 CAN two for $70.00 Water proof construction with water resistant zippers, large front pouch with latch and zipper. Bullet Shaped Lighters – $5.95 each or two for $10.95 plus shipping. (CAN) With key chain clip. Made from solid brass. These lighters are waterproof and have rubber ‘o’ rings at both ends. Refillable with liquid fuel. Very handy for emergency lights while hunting, fishing or hiking. Come in solid brass and chrome plate. Wildlife Fridge Magnets – Large lifelike animal fridge magnets. 3D design with airbrush finish. Items come in Bass, Pickerel(walleye), and White-tailed deer.  They Look so real on the fridge that you’ll be grabbing for your rod & reel (or your riffle) before your morning coffee..! $5.85 each CAN or  The Whole Wildlife Collection for $15.97 CAN plus shipping. Camouflage Suspenders – Button-0n type for pants or Clip-0n type for pants. 1 1/2" wide strap quality Canadian made. Real tree pattern. Blend in with the rest of your camouflage gear. $19.95 CAN plus shipping. If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..!

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I’d look long and hard at the Houston TX / Clear Lake, TX area….. Lots of boating/fishing most all year….. 525 square mile Galveston Bay!…. Fourth largest city in America for plays etc…  Extermely affordable housing, (check the stats )…Can’t comment on Govt services for your son…but sure the Chambers of Commerce could.  Too hot and sweaty in June July and August ( I go North then…) but you can’t have everything.  Suggest you search for Clear Lake Chamber of Commerce. If you don’;t find it, let me know, and I’ll get you a number or site.  I live 40 miles North of it! RG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been offered an early retirement incentive that will give me 94% of my current salary.  I considering taking it an moving to the coastal gulf area.  I’m seeking comments about communities in the gulf area. The primary concerns I have are: availability of part time work, community services for the handicapped (I have a 21 y.o. son with autism.  He will need a sheltered workshop environment and respite services),  Affordable housing (150,000 to 200,000 range), tax liability, fishing, and access to cultural events (concerts, plays, orchestras, ect.) Before you buy.

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I’d look long and hard at the Houston TX / Clear Lake, TX area….. Lots of boating/fishing most all year….. 525 square mile Galveston Bay!…. Fourth largest city in America for plays etc…  Extermely affordable housing, (check the stats )…Can’t comment on Govt services for your son…but sure

No, they could not. The only way to determine if the social services in an area are adequate is to spend a considerable amount of time investigating them on your own, or to hire a competent licensed social worker to assist you. Chambers of commerce do not know about private or public social services. — Harry Krause "To Goldy Bo…"  "CUT!"  "Bo Toldly…"  "CUT!"

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RE govt services. It so happens that my son is a counselor in a local school district for dis-advantaged??? kids.  A good friend of my wife was second in charge in the same school district for  "special eductation".  If it comes down to checking that portion of the decision out,   I’d be glad to prevail – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been offered an early retirement incentive that will give me 94% of my current salary.  I considering taking it an moving to the coastal gulf area.  I’m seeking comments about communities in the gulf area. The primary concerns I have are: availability of part time work, community services for the handicapped (I have a 21 y.o. son with autism.  He will need a sheltered workshop environment and respite services),  Affordable housing (150,000 to 200,000 range), tax liability, fishing, and access to cultural events (concerts, plays, orchestras, ect.) Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been offered an early retirement incentive that will give me 94% of my current salary.  I considering taking it an moving to the coastal gulf area.  I’m seeking comments about communities in the gulf area. The primary concerns I have are: availability of part time work, community services for the handicapped (I have a 21 y.o. son with autism.  He will need a sheltered workshop environment and respite services),  Affordable housing (150,000 to 200,000 range), tax liability, fishing, and access to cultural events (concerts, plays, orchestras, ect.) Before you buy.

Thanks for the response!  I think I’m going to look at FLA. panhandle and possibly TX.  I know there is good fishing in the northern gulf and I think my 22′ starcraft will handle the gulf waters on fairly clam days.  When I think about it either of these states could possibly be at least on par with Kentucky as far as community living and services. Although KY has come a long way in the last 20 years.  Here I am just limited to lakes and rivers and streams for fishing and boating. I would probably see more of my family in FLA. than I do now.  They would see the move as a relative in FLA. to stay with on vacation! Before you buy.

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Check out the Punta-Gorda, Port Charlotte FL area. I’m nearly ready to sign on a five-year old home on the water with two slips, 1800 ft.2 of living area, two car garage, new A/C. $119,900. Places on close to professionals such as Doctor’s Hospital, etc. I cannot stand the cold any longer. David At least we fly to Orlando! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been offered an early retirement incentive that will give me 94% of my current salary.  I considering taking it an moving to the coastal gulf area.  I’m seeking comments about communities in the gulf area. The primary concerns I have are: availability of part time work, community services for the handicapped (I have a 21 y.o. son with autism.  He will need a sheltered workshop environment and respite services),  Affordable housing (150,000 to 200,000 range), tax liability, fishing, and access to cultural events (concerts, plays, orchestras, ect.) Before you buy.

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I’d look long and hard at the Houston TX / Clear Lake, TX area….. Lots of boating/fishing most all year….. 525 square mile Galveston Bay!…. Fourth

Just watch the precise details of where you choose to live.  Galveston’s the scene of one of the earliest attempts in this country at building too close to the water, and the city’s paid for it, in terms of wreckage and lost property value.  I’m not singling out Galveston alone, though.  Grab a copy of a book called "Against the Tide" before you choose a community near the sea.  It might save you a few bucks, or a house or two.  Perhaps more than anyone, I’d like to have breakfast with the ocean within view of my back window, but this book was pretty sobering.  It also mentions places where they’ve stopped trying to trying to stop an unstoppable force, and have taken a sensible approach to community planning. Doug

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Mississppi and Alabama are about as backwards as one can get,

Odd statement there, Harry.  I went to FedStats and compared Alabama quickly to Maryland.  A larger percentage of Alabamians own their own home, Alabama has a much lower violent crime rate.  (Maryland was 6th in the nation, Alabama 21st, as of 1996), Alabama appears to be more industrialized, from a comparison of non-farm employment numbers, and Alabama has much higher enrollment numbers for both elemetary/secondary education, and full-time college students. Median income is less in Alabama, however.  And teenage pregnancy is much higher.  There are less doctors per 100,000, and quite a few more motor vehicle fatalities. Seems like they both have their pros and cons.  Of course, some people will allow bigotry to colour their judgement, rather than facts.  At least when you make  blanket statements about Bayliners, you can defend your position.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mississppi and Alabama are about as backwards as one can get, Odd statement there, Harry.  I went to FedStats and compared Alabama quickly to Maryland.  A larger percentage of Alabamians own their own home, Alabama has a much lower violent crime rate.  (Maryland was 6th in the nation, Alabama 21st, as of 1996), Alabama appears to be more industrialized, from a comparison of non-farm employment numbers, and Alabama has much higher enrollment numbers for both elemetary/secondary education, and full-time college students. Median income is less in Alabama, however.  And teenage pregnancy is much higher.  There are less doctors per 100,000, and quite a few more motor vehicle fatalities. Seems like they both have their pros and cons.  Of course, some people will allow bigotry to colour their judgement, rather than facts.  At least when you make  blanket statements about Bayliners, you can defend your position.

If you’re read the original poster’s statement, he was looking for a state along the Gulf in which there would be high-quality social services for his challenged son. He didn’t indicate whether he needed public or private services. In either case, Alabama and Mississippi are among the most backwards of states in providing those sorts of services to residents in need. I’ll be delighted to engage in a discussion with you over the provision of social services, but this isn’t the place for it. — Harry Krause I’ve been seduced by the chocolate side of the force.

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I have been offered an early retirement incentive that will give me 94% of my current salary.  I considering taking it an moving to the coastal gulf area.  I’m seeking comments about communities in the gulf area. The primary concerns I have are: availability of part time work, community services for the handicapped (I have a 21 y.o. son with autism.  He will need a sheltered workshop environment and respite services),  Affordable housing (150,000 to 200,000 range), tax liability, fishing, and access to cultural events (concerts, plays, orchestras, ect.) Before you buy.

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I have been offered an early retirement incentive that will give me 94% of my current salary.  I considering taking it an moving to the coastal gulf area.  I’m seeking comments about communities in the gulf area. The primary concerns I have are: availability of part time work, community services for the handicapped (I have a 21 y.o. son with autism.  He will need a sheltered workshop environment and respite services),  Affordable housing (150,000 to 200,000 range), tax liability, fishing, and access to cultural events (concerts, plays, orchestras, ect.) Before you buy.

I fear you will not find the quality social services you need for your son in the Gulf area. Provision of decent social services is way down on the priority list of these states, and good places are hard to find in the public and private sectors. There’s next to nothing in Mississipi and Alabama, and modest services available in some parts of Louisiana through Catholic social service agencies. You might consider Florida, which does a little better in the social service area, but you better pick your places carefully. I’d again put Florida at the top of your list for about everything else. Mississppi and Alabama are about as backwards as one can get, and Texas is a pretty hard state, too. Florida and parts of Louisiana. — Harry Krause A Florid Flock of Forty Flatulent Flamingos.

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The fall is a great time for fishing the West. My wife and I do our annual regular 2 week car bum in Sept/Oct. Best time for avoiding crowds and in the NW in particular is argueably the best season. Suggest you read Ted Leason’s book for a rundown on the basics of year rounded fishing in the NW. Dave

Hey George, I don’t think David is any sort of traitor. Hell, I’ve bummed around a good part of Idaho for the last 15 years, kayaking and fishing in the summer. I’ve also been on this newsgroup since quite a while before you started posting here. I don’t post much now because I’m making my own bamboo rods and don’t intend to go the Bastard route, I’ve had my fill of the C&R debate so mainly I lurk now with an occasional comment. Hell man, I even have a bottle of Gink on my vest!! Watch out, I may even drop in on your facility unannounced one day! Cheers. Jon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thought I’d probe you guys for a few suggestions. My wife and I are going out west in early fall to scope out some property. As part of this trip, we want to take a week for flyfishing (both are avid ff). I am looking for some suggestions as to good places to try. We have fished Montana extensively in the summer but never in the fall. We figured we could go to the Red Lodge or Bozeman area and bum around or perhaps get a guide to float the Yellowstone. Is this a good time (or even worthwhile) to float the Yellowstone (I figure around the big bend area might be best; this is one river we have never fished)? Suggestions? Our other thought is to go to Oregon. We have friends there and could combine the goals of the trip. Again, is this a decent time to go and where would you suggest? We have some free airline tickets coming up and are pretty flexible. The main thing we want to avoid is being shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of people (its OK for us to be around people, I just would prefer to avoid being in a crowd of urban maniacs going after some standard steelhead run near a metropolitan area, if you know what I mean). Anyway, all suggestions are appreciated. We are both pretty comfortable with doing exploratories and the general wilderness adventure scene. I know this request is pretty general. Its the fall season fishing that we are relatively unfamiliar with out there. Thanks for any input. Jon McAnulty

–Jon, If you have never fished the Deschutes river (Oregon) in the fall your missing one of the best rivers in the world to catch steelhead on a fly on the surface.   There will be plenty of room without many fishermen if you go in Oct.   October is when the big "B" class Idaho fish enter the river (15-25lb).   A 20lb steelhead in a fast moving river on a fly rod is a fish of a life time.   Drop me a line if you want more info. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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The full title is "The Habit of Rivers," (Reflections on Trout Streams and Fly Fishing), by Ted Leeson. Its literate and then some, and a useful perspective on NW fishing. Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thanks for the reply. Any title on that book? I suspect it is obvious but an exact title would help as I will probably have to order it. Thanks again. Jon

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The fall is a great time for fishing the West. My wife and I do our annual regular 2 week car bum in Sept/Oct. Best time for avoiding crowds and in the NW in particular is argueably the best season. Suggest you read Ted Leason’s book for a rundown on the basics of year rounded fishing in the NW. Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thought I’d probe you guys for a few suggestions. My wife and I are going out west in early fall to scope out some property. As part of this trip, we want to take a week for flyfishing (both are avid ff). I am looking for some suggestions as to good places to try. We have fished Montana extensively in the summer but never in the fall. We figured we could go to the Red Lodge or Bozeman area and bum around or perhaps get a guide to float the Yellowstone. Is this a good time (or even worthwhile) to float the Yellowstone (I figure around the big bend area might be best; this is one river we have never fished)? Suggestions? Our other thought is to go to Oregon. We have friends there and could combine the goals of the trip. Again, is this a decent time to go and where would you suggest? We have some free airline tickets coming up and are pretty flexible. The main thing we want to avoid is being shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of people (its OK for us to be around people, I just would prefer to avoid being in a crowd of urban maniacs going after some standard steelhead run near a metropolitan area, if you know what I mean). Anyway, all suggestions are appreciated. We are both pretty comfortable with doing exploratories and the general wilderness adventure scene. I know this request is pretty general. Its the fall season fishing that we are relatively unfamiliar with out there. Thanks for any input. Jon McAnulty

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I am going to the Glacier Park area the 1st week of August. I will be on the west side near Polebridge for 3 days, and then move to a spot near East Glacier.  I wonder if anyone who has fished these areas can give me a hint as to what to expect, where to fish, what to use, etc. I will be wading, but will bring my float tube as well. Many thanks, Mark

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I am going to the Glacier Park area the 1st week of August. I will be on the west side near Polebridge for 3 days, and then move to a spot near East Glacier.  I wonder if anyone who has fished these areas can give me a hint as to what to expect, where to fish, what to use, etc. I will be wading, but will bring my float tube as well.

Hi Mark Good fishing in the North Fork of the Flathead.  Also if you are going to be in the East Glacier area you should go fish the lakes on the Blackfeet Indian Reservation near Browning.  They are awesome. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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check with people at http://www.cyberport.net/ecs/wwater/gnwwater.html or http://www.cyberport.net/ecs/troutski/troutski.html These people will know — Electronic Cottage Services http://www.cyberport.net/ecs/lakeco/business/ecs/ecshome.html PO Box 81 Polson, MT 59860 406-887-2899

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        Yellowstone lake opened yesterday but I was unable to drive past Lewis lake where the browns have been hungry. Fished for six hours from a float tube and landed about a dozen browns from fourteen to eighteen inches on wooly buggers. No big fish as yet but lots of fun with the little ones.         There are a few small brookies to be had on the west shore and an occcasioinal Mac as well. Scott Cole jackson, Wy. — S. Cole

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Thanks for the report, Scott. I gotta say that I don’t think of 14-18 inch trout as "little ones," but I’d sure like to fish in a place that would encourage that view. Best wishes.  Jeff

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Is Lewis Lake the main lake in Yellowstone?

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Is Lewis Lake the main lake in Yellowstone?

If what you mean is which lake is the biggest, it would be Lake Yellowstone.

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Lewis Lake is one of the major lakes in Yellowstone, but the main lake would have to be Yellowstone Lake.      Trey Monroe

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Lewis Lake is one of the major lakes in Yellowstone, but the main lake would have to be Yellowstone Lake.     Trey Monroe

Hi Trey I might add that Yellowstone Lake has been fishing good the past few weeks. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Lewis Lake is one of the major lakes in Yellowstone, but the main lake would have to be Yellowstone Lake.     Trey Monroe Hi Trey I might add that Yellowstone Lake has been fishing good the past few weeks. Tight Lines

Will be in Yellowstone in mid July and want to spend a half-day wade fishing either Lewis Lake or Yellowstone Lake.  Any suggestions about general shoreline areas that are suitable?  Techniques and or types of lines/flies to anticipate using? Thanks for your great postings!  J. Rice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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J Rice asks: Will be in Yellowstone in mid July and want to spend a half-day wade fishing either Lewis Lake or Yellowstone Lake.  Any suggestions about general shoreline areas that are suitable?  Techniques and or types of lines/flies to anticipate using?

I just returned from Yellowstone and Lewis Lakes.  Yellowstone edges are fishing great ,,, two anglers about 30 cutthroats apiece per day.  In mid-July you could be running into one of the most fun Green Drake hatches in the West….I’ll be there.  Stop at the Ranger shacks and talk about some spots.  Yellowstone Lake has over 100 miles of shoreline.  We take a boat to some secluded spots … been fishing there 10 years.  I see waders and float tubers within a mile of the two boat ramps … almost always doing quite well.  Yellowstone is a huge lake, tough to get crowded. Lewis is fishing fair now … will find lake trout, books and browns. Week ago, all were a little sparse….ice just went out a few weeks ago. I seldom see FF’er on the Lewis shores.   John G.<<

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Oh, was that hate mail? I thought it was just another ‘96 fund-raising blurb from the Republican National Committee.

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Unless someone changes the name of this conference to rec.woodworking.politics keep those comments to yourself or take them elsewhere.

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Now that the Republicans control Congress, and will control the White House  after the next election – I’m sure that hate mail was from Democrats! Let’s keep this kind  of nonsense off this board. Name: O.C. Garza Time: 13:46:39 Eat…Breath…Good Cigars…Fly Fishing…Die!

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