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It’s our 2-year anniversary this weekend, and hubby and I had decided a couple of weeks ago that we’d go out to a nice restaurant for dinner. Well, 2 nights ago he said he wanted to make a weekend of it and we could take a short trip somewhere. I was so excite because 1) he never wants to take trips; and 2) I’d really been wanting to just get away for a couple of days for a long time coming, and this sounded perfect. Well, this meant he’d have to work a late the rest of the week so he wouldn’t have to work this weekend. I went to his work the night before and last night and helped out a bit. I didn’t mind one bit even though I was having a bad week myself. I just kept saying, just think of this weekend. So I was really counting on it. On our way home last night, I asked where he thought we could go this weekend. He then said he was going to be too tired to go anywhere this weekend, and we’d do it next weekend. I reminded him my mom was coming to visit that weekend. So he said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never. Believe me, every time we don’t have a definite date scheduled for something it never happens. And we can’t schedule anything too far in advance now because of his erratic travel schedule. This has happenned before… where he’ll suggest something, get my hopes up, then it never happens. Like this spring he suggested we take a weekend and go to one of the local resorts. I said great. Two weeks later when he hadn’t mentioned it further, I pulled out some brochures to look at with him. He said he’d take care of the planning and not to push him on it (is looking at brochures pushing someone???). Anyway, I never brought it up again, and the trip never happenned. To top things off, I went to the salon last night to lighten my hair (from dark brown -> medium brown) and I ended up blonde (kinda my fault, long story). I’m going back this weekend to get it fixed (for free), but I have to sit through work today (including a meeting with the CEO of our company this morning) with blonde hair. OK, I feel better now. Thanks for the ears. Oh, and any advice on how to handle hubby’s lack of planning would be greatly appreciated. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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From: melissa >So he >said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never.
Ooooh I HATE that!! Here’s what you do. 
The moment he says, "let’s go" you ask, "where to?" The idea is to get him on the upswing and strike while the iron’s hot. Get as much info from him at this time, ’cause as the days go by there will be more of a chance that he’ll change his mind. Once you have an idea of what he prefers, you take it upon yourself to make all the arrangements. Don’t ask him what he thinks about this or that during the planning period… just do it, but do keep in mind his likes and dislikes…. as in don’t plan on a beach resort getaway if hubby mentioned going to the mountains in that preliminary conversation. When everything is arranged (and paid for) present him with the plan. Be prepared for a tantrum… and even for the possibility that you won’t be going anywhere. In that case, remind him that there go $X that you’ll never get back. Also, be prepared for hubby to reproach the fact that you went ahead and made all the plans without him. That’s when you *calmly* tell him exactly how it makes you feel when he promises something and then doesn’t come through. Explain that you didn’t want to be disappointed again so you took it upon yourself to plan the trip. If nothing else, you’ll get started on communicating about the problem. Maybe it’ll break him of the bad habit of blowing smoke up your ass. Good luck.
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Melissa Quick, you have half a day to plan. Find a nice place that is not too far from home and relaxing. Pack your bag and his and as soon as he comes home, kidnap him. Tell him he has to do nothing just enjoy being with you and he can relax. Then drive off with him … Sorry, my imagination is running wild but I do feel for you. This is a hard situation to be in …. I think Gidget’s ideas are great though. Katie Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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melissa wrote: > reminded him my mom was coming to visit that weekend. So he > said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never.
I can feel the disappointment oozing off the screen here on my end. > Believe me, every time we don’t have a definite date > scheduled for something it never happens. And we can’t > schedule anything too far in advance now because of his > erratic travel schedule.
Trent’s idea has merit (i.e., schedule non-refundable vacations, etc), but my guess is that you’re limited by his travel schedule. If that’s the case, then you’ll have to gird yourself and dicuss how his behavior in this manner bothers you. And THEN start scehduling non-refundable vacations! :) > resorts. I said great. Two weeks later when he hadn’t > mentioned it further, I pulled out some brochures to look at > with him. He said he’d take care of the planning and not to > push him on it (is looking at brochures pushing someone???).
It could be seen that way. If he wanted to have children right now and you wanted to wait a few years, would his leaving a copy of "Parents" magazine laying around be seen as pushing by you? Its all in the eye of the beholder. You know what, though? When you couple this vacation-ditching conduct with the cold feet house purchase, he does seem to have a thing about committing, though. Its got to be exasperating. > To top things off, I went to the salon last night to lighten > my hair (from dark brown -> medium brown) and I ended up > blonde (kinda my fault, long story). I’m going back this > weekend to get it fixed (for free), but I have to sit > through work today (including a meeting with the CEO of our > company this morning) with blonde hair.
Missie! I think you look devine as a blonde! If you’re serious about having it fixed this weekend, I’m sorely tempted to make a comment about your husband having a short window of opportunity for role-playing sex involving a blonde. But sometimes discretion wins. I won’t say anything! :) > OK, I feel better now. Thanks for the ears. Oh, and any > advice on how to handle hubby’s lack of planning would be > greatly appreciated.
Have you read Passionate Marriage yet? Its a given in marriage that the low desire partner controls the amount of any activity (in this case, vacationing). But you know what? I don’t think its a low desire issue here…I think its a reluctance to commit to some course of behavior. Why don’t *you* commit him instead (not to a mental institution, although I bet that’s crossed your mind Drew
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floridanewbie wrote in message
<37c0e0d7.117195…@news.flatoday.infi.net>… >On 23 Aug 1999 01:16:51 GMT, gidgeto…@aol.com (GidgetOliv) wrote: ><snip> >>What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing >>with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.) Just curious… >Education involves so much more than just learning from books … how >about the social aspects of learning about different kinds of people, >getting along in groups and learning how to settle conflicts in an >acceptable manner?
There are many many schools where this doesn’t apply. I don’t think that the alternatives to public education sprang up purely because of doubts that the children were receiving anadequate education. I really think that there is more to it. These alternatives are a way of coping with situations that are otherwise intolerable for many. >Additionally, in a good classroom, the teacher will let the group >stumble around trying to solve problems or discuss aspects of an >assignment … even wrong answers or peculiar tangents contain much >useful knowledge .. that is missing in home schooling.
The qualifier there is "good classroom". They’re becoming more rare with each passing day. I know several good teachers who are very frustrated at the way things have developed over the past couple of decades. >Then there are the athletic aspects … unless home school parents have >a dozen kids, most physical activites involving teamwork can’t be done.
Sure they can – kids can still play hockey and baseball etc on the community teams. >Granted, if a person lives in the middle of an ice field in Alaska or is >otherwise isolated, home schooling beats no schooling but in general, >while people mean well, I suspect a great many kids are being ill-served >with such efforts.
The studies are showing (at least where I live) that home schooled children are on par or above children who are attending public, private, and charter schools. >Instead of yanking the kids out of school, find out >exactly what is being done and then supplement those efforts with the >things you think are missing.
What if it’s not the missing things that bother you? What if it’s the things that are being done? >By the way, I seriously doubt many parents are competent across the >board other than for the lowest levels of school …
I thinkmany parents don’t realize the work that is involved. Im’ not sure it’s a matter of competency but there is a huge time commitment for each passing grade. You work for it just as much (if not more) than your children do. >the first few years would seem to put the child at a big disadvantage >when s/he is thrown into the arena with kids who already know the ropes >and who have formed strong friendships.
One has to be very careful to introduce social situations whenever possible to avoid that type of scenario. — ….my two cents ….
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<19990822211651.24654.00001…@ng-ch1.aol.com>… >What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing >with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.) Just
curious… It depends on the situation. It takes a lot of time (and I do mean a lot)… you have to be very careful that it doesn’t put a wedge between you and your kid(s) cause you’re now the parent and the teacher… kind of hard to find time to relax sometimes. The plus side is that you have a whole lot more input into your child’s education and you can be actively involved in shaping their future. You might want to check out the area that you live in to see what kind of support is given to homeschooling families. In our area, we have the full resources of the schools in our district as well as staff from the distance learning center. The newsgroups and your community papers will probably give you more of a lead about what’s available. Before you make the choice, you might want to check other options – like an online school,perhaps, where the kids have a teacher but you have the kids at home. It would help you decide which would be best if you know why you are looking for alternatives. — ….my two cents ….
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On 23 Aug 1999 01:16:51 GMT, gidgeto…@aol.com (GidgetOliv) wrote: <snip> >What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing >with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.) Just curious…
Education involves so much more than just learning from books … how about the social aspects of learning about different kinds of people, getting along in groups and learning how to settle conflicts in an acceptable manner? In classrooms, students see that people learn at different rates and in different ways. Some do better with quantitative methods while others thrive with qualitative methods. Home schooling most likely will only use one method; that risks stunting the potential growth that might otherwise occur. Additionally, in a good classroom, the teacher will let the group stumble around trying to solve problems or discuss aspects of an assignment … even wrong answers or peculiar tangents contain much useful knowledge .. that is missing in home schooling. Then there are the athletic aspects … unless home school parents have a dozen kids, most physical activites involving teamwork can’t be done. Granted, if a person lives in the middle of an ice field in Alaska or is otherwise isolated, home schooling beats no schooling but in general, while people mean well, I suspect a great many kids are being ill-served with such efforts. Instead of yanking the kids out of school, find out exactly what is being done and then supplement those efforts with the things you think are missing. By the way, I seriously doubt many parents are competent across the board other than for the lowest levels of school … to home school for the first few years would seem to put the child at a big disadvantage when s/he is thrown into the arena with kids who already know the ropes and who have formed strong friendships. Floridanewbie
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GidgetOliv asked: >What do you folks think of homeschooling
It has become a very popular alternative here in Alaska. It is working very well and has attempted to alleviate as many of the shortcomings as possible. We have one public school district (open state-wide) where you get a computer when you enroll and attend classes on-line. The homeschooled kids have their own graduation ceremony here in Fairbanks. We have 3 students in our karate school whose monthly dues are paid by the school district to satisfy their physical education requirement (or some other elective). It wouldn’t work for me, though. I am not confident that I have the right temperament to teach my own children. I don’t know whether I could be objective enough. — Sourdough sez: We would worry a lot less about what other people think of us, if we realized how seldom they do.
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From: floridanew…@hotmail.com (floridanewbie) >trent_m…@hotmail.com (Trent) wrote: ><snip> >>– What have you done to save your schoolchild this year? >Just sneaking in here Trent … >that list of things (security and safety) people should know about their >children’s schools is at Gavin deBecker’s site:
This post reminds me…. What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.) Just curious…
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In article <11f733ec.1e956…@usw-ex0106-048.remarq.com>, melissa <missie.johnsonNOcrS…@eudoramail.com> wrote: >It’s our 2-year anniversary this weekend, and hubby and I >had decided a couple of weeks ago that we’d go out to a nice >restaurant for dinner. Well, 2 nights ago he said he wanted >to make a weekend of it and we could take a short trip >somewhere. I was so excite because 1) he never wants to
Well… I would have gone anyway. Yes, even if that meant going by yourself. Because you know why… I get the feeling that this scenario plays itself out again and again because nothing otherwise happens. Yes, I would have said, "Oh, that’s too bad. Will you really be too tired? Oh, well, I’m going to go. I really wish you’d come to." Then do it. He either would not have come, in which case you could have had a nice relaxing weekend to yourself. If he had come, then you would have rousted him out of his old lazy habits, and the two of you could have had a great time. He "ruins" things for you so often because in a way, you let him. amy — alyo…@bluemarble.net http://www.bluemarble.net/~alyoung Speaking only for myself.
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I’m not a big fan especially after 3-4th grade because the kids get educaion from various people who are trained very highly in the subjects they’re teaching. There’s no way I have the resources to give my child the kind of round education in music, chemistry, and algebra that three different teachers who have degrees to teach these specifics can. I’m a big supporter of private and magnet schools. Tamara – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> GidgetOliv said… > This post reminds me…. > What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing > with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.) Just curious…
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Nothing serious but sometimes people refuse to do things if they have problems with strangers. I mean maybe he gained weight and he doesn’t like to see people, maybe he doesn’t have nice out fits, maybe he doesn’t like the car..etc U know anything and it could be nothing but being busy with work. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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I think for some people homeschooling could work out. The people who I know who homeschool have had all good things to say, and their kids have ended up doing great on their SAT’s and in college. Personnally though, I would love to be able to teach my kids and have that family time before they grow up and move on. But, I don’t think I could do justice to their education. I am well educated, and excelled in school, but kids today are learning more, and learning it different then I did even 10 yrs. ago. I also think that kids have to experience the socializing with their peers. I hate when kids are teased, and the bickering that goes on amongst the children at school, but I also realize that kids learn how to adjust, and learn that in their life they are going to run into people that don’t see eye to eye with them. I don’t believe that school is only for education. School teaches you life, socialization, and commitments, and responsibilities. Just my 2 cents worth momalot – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -GidgetOliv wrote: > From: floridanew…@hotmail.com (floridanewbie) > >trent_m…@hotmail.com (Trent) wrote: > ><snip> > >>– What have you done to save your schoolchild this year? > >Just sneaking in here Trent … > >that list of things (security and safety) people should know about their > >children’s schools is at Gavin deBecker’s site: > This post reminds me…. > What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing > with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.) Just curious…
– ned!
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do something for yourself…..go to a movie go shopping just do something gary
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Sorry I misunderstood. I realize that some people just like to get to where they’re going and not have to bothered with the details. I Agree with you! I think we all feel that way sometimes about something. But if this guy is this way. Why does he seem to get so pissed when she tries to take the initiative? Also, the worries about whether you can afford it or not might be valid. Can you afford these trips Melissa? Are you 100% aware of all financial situations in your marriage? Make sure you know all about his and your debt and responsibilities. Because, If he works like a dog for a vacation and you help. Then, all of the sudden he is too tired to go and worried about the money. There might be something he is afraid to share. Maybe he is just more worried about spending or working up debt on the credit cards or something. You should save for a vacation. Not just up and go and think you will just put it on the "card" and pay for it later. This is how you get upside down in debt. Be careful, I think lots of relatively new marriages have these problems. L8R, Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -GidgetOliv wrote: > From: Carl mcent…@earthlink.net > >Yeah, or maybe he’ll just start blowing all of his vacation days from that > >point on > >fishing with the guys. I would be careful dropping that kind of bomb on a > >guy. > Absolutely! But I never meant for her to keep it a secret… just to take him > up on it but be in charge of all the planning. > My partner does this every year… he’s usually the one to suggest vacation > destinations, but I’m the one who gets to do all the booking and planning. > Not complaining in the least, as I realize that some people just like to get to > where they’re going and not have to bothered with the details.
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>I >do like the idea of planning something myself with advance >notice from him. He wouldn’t be thrilled, but as long as it >wasn’t something he’d openly opposed… he’d go along with >it.
Some people just don’t like the element of surprise. You can always tell him that "his" idea to get away is an excellent one, and that he shouldn’t worry because you’ll take care of the arrangements. That way you won’t be surprising him with plans "out of the blue" Also, you mentioned that he whines about whether or not you can afford it. It got me thinking… maybe during that first conversation, when he says "let’s get away" you could say "I don’t know… can we afford it?" If it’s *his* idea to get away, he might come back with something like, "Sure we can… we’re just talking [blank] bucks or so." If he does, then you can use his figure and plan around that budget. Then if he whines, you remind him that it was all his idea in the first place. :)
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On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:37:06 GMT, trent_m…@hotmail.com (Trent) wrote:
<snip> >– What have you done to save your schoolchild this year?
Just sneaking in here Trent … that list of things (security and safety) people should know about their children’s schools is at Gavin deBecker’s site: http://www.gdbinc.com/ Floridanewbie
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> Can you afford these trips Melissa? Are you 100% aware of > all financial situations in your marriage?
Yes, we can afford the kind of weekend trip he was talking about. About our financial situation, I know more about it than he does… I’m the bill payer in the house, and I see everything, from credit card info to checkcard info to what checks went where. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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What about planning something that you can afford? Trade houses with a family member or friend out of town? Even a picnic can be a getaway if you plan right. There are specials posted on the web for hotels and stuff….. last minute deals……. usually the ones in your own town are quite reasonable. — ….my two cents …. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -melissa wrote in message <0221c012.928fa…@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com>… > Besides, the last time I surprised him with a night away >from home, all he did was whine about whether or not we >could afford it. It really ruined the evening.
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From: Carl mcent…@earthlink.net >Yeah, or maybe he’ll just start blowing all of his vacation days from that >point on >fishing with the guys. I would be careful dropping that kind of bomb on a >guy.
Absolutely! But I never meant for her to keep it a secret… just to take him up on it but be in charge of all the planning. My partner does this every year… he’s usually the one to suggest vacation destinations, but I’m the one who gets to do all the booking and planning. Not complaining in the least, as I realize that some people just like to get to where they’re going and not have to bothered with the details.
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Yeah, or maybe he’ll just start blowing all of his vacation days from that point on fishing with the guys. I would be careful dropping that kind of bomb on a guy. Doing it in stages might be better. For instance, if you have to fly, mention you purchased the airline tickets for the "trip" today (get the kind you can schedule departure after the fact). Then ask when it would be a good time to sit down and figure out the dates so you can schedule the departure and hotel reservations. Then, at the point you notice his interest is peaking and he has accepted the fact you are going. Ask him to help plan or investigate some activities to do while you are there and express that you want to make sure you do things he would like. Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -GidgetOliv wrote: > From: melissa > >So he > >said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never. > Ooooh I HATE that!! Here’s what you do. > The moment he says, "let’s go" you ask, "where to?" The idea is to get him on > the upswing and strike while the iron’s hot. Get as much info from him at this > time, ’cause as the days go by there will be more of a chance that he’ll change > his mind. > Once you have an idea of what he prefers, you take it upon yourself to make all > the arrangements. Don’t ask him what he thinks about this or that during the > planning period… just do it, but do keep in mind his likes and dislikes…. > as in don’t plan on a beach resort getaway if hubby mentioned going to the > mountains in that preliminary conversation. > When everything is arranged (and paid for) present him with the plan. Be > prepared for a tantrum… and even for the possibility that you won’t be going > anywhere. In that case, remind him that there go $X that you’ll never get > back. > Also, be prepared for hubby to reproach the fact that you went ahead and made > all the plans without him. That’s when you *calmly* tell him exactly how it > makes you feel when he promises something and then doesn’t come through. > Explain that you didn’t want to be disappointed again so you took it upon > yourself to plan the trip. If nothing else, you’ll get started on > communicating about the problem. Maybe it’ll break him of the bad habit of > blowing smoke up your ass. Good luck.
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> Find a nice place that is not too far from home and > relaxing. Pack your bag and his and as soon as he comes > home, kidnap him. Tell him he has to do nothing just enjoy > being with you and he can relax. Then drive off with him > …
As much as I’d *love* to do this, I don’t think he’d be too happy at all, which would cause him much misery on what should be a happy occasion. Just the fact that I went ahead and planned something he’d nixed would really piss him off. Besides, the last time I surprised him with a night away from home, all he did was whine about whether or not we could afford it. It really ruined the evening. Thanks for the advice though you guys, I appreciate it. I do like the idea of planning something myself with advance notice from him. He wouldn’t be thrilled, but as long as it wasn’t something he’d openly opposed… he’d go along with it. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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> Missie! I think you look devine as a blonde! If you’re > serious about having it fixed this weekend, I’m sorely > tempted to make a comment about your husband having a > short window of opportunity for role-playing sex involving > a blonde. But sometimes discretion wins. I won’t say > anything!
Thanks for the discretion, Drew. 
Actually, I’m at auburn now (I had it fixed just a little while ago). Not what I wanted, but not blonde, either. You’ve gotta understand, I’m definitely not one of those complexions that is good for blonde hair. My natural hair color is so dark a brown it’s almost black! Anyhow, I like the auburn… I feel much much better. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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Well, then go off and have a fun weekend by yourself. If he insists on spoiling things, don’t allow yourself to be dragged down to his level. Yes, it’s your anniversary … he’s shown a disregard for your feelings in this matter. Take yourself to a nice hotel or B&B, snuggle up with a brandy and a good book, and spoil yourself. –Welmoed
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Melissa, what would happen if you planned the weekend…Get flowers, dress the house up a little with decorations like it was someplace else. Then, make sure you send up a flare to the families/friends that call often to resist unless it’s an emergency. Get a new cute "lingerie" type item and have a romantic dinner planned with his favorite meal. It could be pizza by candlelight if that’s what he loves. Then, during the evening maybe post-meal while your stomachs are settling, before the "passionate replay of the consummation of your marriage", mention how you wanted to give him a "weekend away" without the hassle of traveling somewhere and that you hope he would try harder to plan a short trip somewhere for you soon. I for one would love this myself…maybe I should keep a copy of this for my wife. Good luck, Carl P.S. All marriages have bumps and you shouldn’t feel bad about maybe seeking some biblically based counseling to help with your communication skills and understanding each others different needs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -melissa wrote: > It’s our 2-year anniversary this weekend, and hubby and I > had decided a couple of weeks ago that we’d go out to a nice > restaurant for dinner. Well, 2 nights ago he said he wanted > to make a weekend of it and we could take a short trip > somewhere. I was so excite because 1) he never wants to > take trips; and 2) I’d really been wanting to just get away > for a couple of days for a long time coming, and this > sounded perfect. Well, this meant he’d have to work a > late the rest of the week so he wouldn’t have to work this > weekend. I went to his work the night before and last night > and helped out a bit. I didn’t mind one bit even though I > was having a bad week myself. I just kept saying, just > think of this weekend. So I was really counting on it. On > our way home last night, I asked where he thought we could > go this weekend. He then said he was going to be too tired > to go anywhere this weekend, and we’d do it next weekend. I > reminded him my mom was coming to visit that weekend. So he > said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never. > Believe me, every time we don’t have a definite date > scheduled for something it never happens. And we can’t > schedule anything too far in advance now because of his > erratic travel schedule. > This has happenned before… where he’ll suggest something, > get my hopes up, then it never happens. Like this spring he > suggested we take a weekend and go to one of the local > resorts. I said great. Two weeks later when he hadn’t > mentioned it further, I pulled out some brochures to look at > with him. He said he’d take care of the planning and not to > push him on it (is looking at brochures pushing someone???). > Anyway, I never brought it up again, and the trip never > happenned. > To top things off, I went to the salon last night to lighten > my hair (from dark brown -> medium brown) and I ended up > blonde (kinda my fault, long story). I’m going back this > weekend to get it fixed (for free), but I have to sit > through work today (including a meeting with the CEO of our > company this morning) with blonde hair. > OK, I feel better now. Thanks for the ears. Oh, and any > advice on how to handle hubby’s lack of planning would be > greatly appreciated. > Melissa > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have only been flyfishing for a few months, most of my trips have been in the Townsend area of the Smokies. I have fished the Tremont (Middle Prong of Little River) area several times with limited success. I have the opportunity this weekend to fish Deep Creek (Bryson City, NC) and I have decided to swallow my pride and ask for advice here so I hopefully won’t get "blanked" and ruin my vacation! For Tremont, I have used 6X tippets and patterns of caddis, adams, black gnats, beadhead phesant tail nymph. My specific questions: What time of day should be the most successful in either of these areas (Tremont or Deep Creek)? What patterns are most effective for Deep Creek? Any advice on presentation to these skittish mountain trout? Any particular areas of Deep Creek that anyone has had experience fishing before? Thanks very much, Dan Please reply to group
Dan, This time of the year you want to fish very early or very late in the day….most trout I know take long siestas when the water warms up during the day. The patterns you are using are fine…I might add a black ant and a yellow sally to your arsenal. Good luck…. –Walt
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have very good luck with elk hair caddis. I fish Tremont usually in the afternoon but not always. And don’t forget those wooly buggers! Bryce I have only been flyfishing for a few months, most of my trips have been in the Townsend area of the Smokies. I have fished the Tremont (Middle Prong of Little River) area several times with limited success. I have the opportunity this weekend to fish Deep Creek (Bryson City, NC) and I have decided to swallow my pride and ask for advice here so I hopefully won’t get "blanked" and ruin my vacation! For Tremont, I have used 6X tippets and patterns of caddis, adams, black gnats, beadhead phesant tail nymph. My specific questions: What time of day should be the most successful in either of these areas (Tremont or Deep Creek)? What patterns are most effective for Deep Creek? Any advice on presentation to these skittish mountain trout? Any particular areas of Deep Creek that anyone has had experience fishing before?
Hi! Tremont should be good early in the morning or late at night. I stay away from the lower portion of Deep Creek this time of the year, due to all the tourists and tubers. Go above Indian creek. Also try West prong of Little River while you are over in that area. Go backcountry away from Laurel creek rd. Try a Thunderhead dry, it’s a NC pattern that’s very similar to an Adams Wulff. Hans
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have very good luck with elk hair caddis. I fish Tremont usually in the afternoon but not always. And don’t forget those wooly buggers! Bryce I have only been flyfishing for a few months, most of my trips have been in the Townsend area of the Smokies. I have fished the Tremont (Middle Prong of Little River) area several times with limited success. I have the opportunity this weekend to fish Deep Creek (Bryson City, NC) and I have decided to swallow my pride and ask for advice here so I hopefully won’t get "blanked" and ruin my vacation! For Tremont, I have used 6X tippets and patterns of caddis, adams, black gnats, beadhead phesant tail nymph. My specific questions: What time of day should be the most successful in either of these areas (Tremont or Deep Creek)? What patterns are most effective for Deep Creek? Any advice on presentation to these skittish mountain trout? Any particular areas of Deep Creek that anyone has had experience fishing before? Hi! Tremont should be good early in the morning or late at night. I stay away from the lower portion of Deep Creek this time of the year, due to all the tourists and tubers. Go above Indian creek. Also try West prong of Little River while you are over in that area. Go backcountry away from Laurel creek rd. Try a Thunderhead dry, it’s a NC pattern that’s very similar to an Adams Wulff. Hans
I fished Deep Creek a coupla years ago and ran across a native of the area who was having great luck on a parachute Adams morning and late afternoon. I might add that he was quite stealthy and could read water very well.
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I have very good luck with elk hair caddis. I fish Tremont usually in the afternoon but not always. And don’t forget those wooly buggers! Bryce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have only been flyfishing for a few months, most of my trips have been in the Townsend area of the Smokies. I have fished the Tremont (Middle Prong of Little River) area several times with limited success. I have the opportunity this weekend to fish Deep Creek (Bryson City, NC) and I have decided to swallow my pride and ask for advice here so I hopefully won’t get "blanked" and ruin my vacation! For Tremont, I have used 6X tippets and patterns of caddis, adams, black gnats, beadhead phesant tail nymph. My specific questions: What time of day should be the most successful in either of these areas (Tremont or Deep Creek)? What patterns are most effective for Deep Creek? Any advice on presentation to these skittish mountain trout? Any particular areas of Deep Creek that anyone has had experience fishing before?
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Thanks to all who replied to my original post. Your advice will be very helpful. I plan to spend the next couple of days on Deep Creek, so I will try to give you a report (to the group) next week. Thanks again, Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have very good luck with elk hair caddis. I fish Tremont usually in the afternoon but not always. And don’t forget those wooly buggers! Bryce I have only been flyfishing for a few months, most of my trips have been in the Townsend area of the Smokies. I have fished the Tremont (Middle Prong of Little River) area several times with limited success. I have the opportunity this weekend to fish Deep Creek (Bryson City, NC) and I have decided to swallow my pride and ask for advice here so I hopefully won’t get "blanked" and ruin my vacation! For Tremont, I have used 6X tippets and patterns of caddis, adams, black gnats, beadhead phesant tail nymph. My specific questions: What time of day should be the most successful in either of these areas (Tremont or Deep Creek)? What patterns are most effective for Deep Creek? Any advice on presentation to these skittish mountain trout? Any particular areas of Deep Creek that anyone has had experience fishing before? Hi! Tremont should be good early in the morning or late at night. I stay away from the lower portion of Deep Creek this time of the year, due to all the tourists and tubers. Go above Indian creek. Also try West prong of Little River while you are over in that area. Go backcountry away from Laurel creek rd. Try a Thunderhead dry, it’s a NC pattern that’s very similar to an Adams Wulff. Hans I fished Deep Creek a coupla years ago and ran across a native of the area who was having great luck on a parachute Adams morning and late afternoon. I might add that he was quite stealthy and could read water very well.
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I have only been flyfishing for a few months, most of my trips have been in the Townsend area of the Smokies. I have fished the Tremont (Middle Prong of Little River) area several times with limited success. I have the opportunity this weekend to fish Deep Creek (Bryson City, NC) and I have decided to swallow my pride and ask for advice here so I hopefully won’t get "blanked" and ruin my vacation! For Tremont, I have used 6X tippets and patterns of caddis, adams, black gnats, beadhead phesant tail nymph. My specific questions: What time of day should be the most successful in either of these areas (Tremont or Deep Creek)? What patterns are most effective for Deep Creek? Any advice on presentation to these skittish mountain trout? Any particular areas of Deep Creek that anyone has had experience fishing before? Thanks very much, Dan Please reply to group
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Does anyone have any recent information of the runoff and snowpack for this year in the Yellowpine Idaho area? Any recent readings on the Krassel ranger station gauge (South Fork of the Salmon)? Also, what has been the general behavior of the runoff this year (early melt?, recent snowfall? etc etc- you know what I mean)? Thanks Jon
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You might check http://www.webpak.net/~rafter/ Vince’s Idaho Whitewater Page. I believe he has a very complete set of links to flow gauges among other things Penny Specialty Outdoors: Sewing and Repair for Outdoor Enthusiasts Tips for making your own gear! http://www.nextdim.com/users/pschwyn/tips.htm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anyone have any recent information of the runoff and snowpack for this year in the Yellowpine Idaho area? Any recent readings on the Krassel ranger station gauge (South Fork of the Salmon)? Also, what has been the general behavior of the runoff this year (early melt?, recent snowfall? etc etc- you know what I mean)? Thanks Jon
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Late runoff this year. It has been cold and rainy/snowy up there. I was in the area this weekend, and the pack is mostly gone finally. The creeks are running pretty good. Johnson creek is running 1430 today. Lots of rain has been keeping the ground saturated. Does anyone have any recent information of the runoff and snowpack for this year in the Yellowpine Idaho area? Any recent readings on the Krassel ranger station gauge (South Fork of the Salmon)? Also, what has been the general behavior of the runoff this year (early melt?, recent snowfall? etc etc- you know what I mean)? Thanks Jon
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Does anyone have any recent information of the runoff and snowpack for this year in the Yellowpine Idaho area? Any recent readings on the Krassel ranger station gauge (South Fork of the Salmon)? Also, what has been the general behavior of the runoff this year (early melt?, recent snowfall? etc etc- you know what I mean)? Thanks Jon
try this: http://www.idwr.state.id.us/idwr/planpol/techserv/flows.htm flows are steady but not outrageous due to cooler than norm weather.
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Does anyone have any recent information of the runoff and snowpack for this year in the Yellowpine Idaho area? Any recent readings on the Krassel ranger station gauge (South Fork of the Salmon)?
2200 cfs yesterday. Are you planning on kayaking there? If so when? We will be there some time near the end of June. Bob Langley Winters, CA
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have any recent information of the runoff and snowpack for this year in the Yellowpine Idaho area? Any recent readings on the Krassel ranger station gauge (South Fork of the Salmon)? Also, what has been the general behavior of the runoff this year (early melt?, recent snowfall? etc etc- you know what I mean)? Thanks Jon try this: http://www.idwr.state.id.us/idwr/planpol/techserv/flows.htm flows are steady but not outrageous due to cooler than norm weather.
Jim, Thanks. I had not seen this page before. The Krassel gauge readout has always been our benchmark for the area. Particularly because there are often large discrepancies between flow on the E.Fork of the S. Fork (below Johnson creek) and the Upper S. Fork. Its funny that this is available yet I have called out there are the rangers don’t even know the Krassel gauge reading. Excellent resource. Thanks again. Jon
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Does anyone have any recent information of the runoff and snowpack for this year in the Yellowpine Idaho area? Any recent readings on the Krassel ranger station gauge (South Fork of the Salmon)? 2200 cfs yesterday. Are you planning on kayaking there? If so when? We will be there some time near the end of June. Bob Langley Winters, CA
Bob, Yes, we will be doing some paddling there. We are having a rendezvous of long time friends and will be at the Warm Lake campground from June 27-July 4. This group has paddled that area since the mid-70’s and has many long time class V paddlers. However, many of us the last 2 or 3 years have had kids and have backed off class V, primarily because we don’t have the time to paddle enough to maintain our edge to do class V safely and we tend to approach paddling with a group-oriented safety ethic. If you are around, come up to the site. We have the big group site at the Warm Lake campground. I don’t know if you will be able to scare up a group for class V but there will be paddling going on, as well as mtn. biking, flyfishing and general lounging. The trip has been structured to be more family friendly than our old hair trips. If you just want to paddle hair, this may not be your best group. Also, if you tend to be a solo wild card on the river, the may not be the best group for you as we are all very into 1) fun and 2) group safety. You decide. If you are around drop in a say hello and see what’s cooking. Jon McAnulty
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