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I read with interest the posts about Sage’s Lifetime Warranty, since about a month ago I made my first truly absurd flyfishing purchase, a Scott S3 5 weight 4 piece (I was able to get a $200.00 discount from the retail price, but that alone says how expensive they can be). All my previous experience has been with a fly rod from Walmart (literally), and an old St. Croix Legend 4 weight rod (what they now call an Imperial). With these rods you could lift a bowling ball without worrying about breaking the rod (well, not quite).  I used to wonder why other flyfishers broke rods so often, when I never really worried about it. One day with my Scott S3 showed me how fragile a fly rod can be.  I was playing a brown trout (best fish of the day) with too much of a jerking motion, and snap, the rod broke just above the first connection. I just finished composing my letter of woe to Scott, and after lunch the rod will be mailed. I am interested in the experiences of other Scott rod owners with their warranty program, and whether Scott will be around 5 years from now. Memphis Jim (I can’t turn on the TV without seeing Elvis).

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Scott is a *great* rod company. I’ve owned various Scott rods since 1975. I broke my STS 905-4 last year in Northern Quebec falling over a rock; all I had to send back to Scott was the lowest 14" of the handle–everything else was at the bottom of the headwaters of the Caniapiscau River. The rod was replaced promptly–no questions asked. There was *no* defect–it was a clumsy dumbass move on my part–and I was very honest and upfront with Scott by telling them that.   The lady I talked to said:  "An unconditional guarantee is just that–unconditional. Send it back to us–and we’ll ship you a new one." They did–promptly.   I have no idea if the Scott Rod Company will be around 5 years from now–but I certainly hope so.   Dave M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read with interest the posts about Sage’s Lifetime Warranty, since about a month ago I made my first truly absurd flyfishing purchase, a Scott S3 5 weight 4 piece (I was able to get a $200.00 discount from the retail price, but that alone says how expensive they can be). All my previous experience has been with a fly rod from Walmart (literally), and an old St. Croix Legend 4 weight rod (what they now call an Imperial). With these rods you could lift a bowling ball without worrying about breaking the rod (well, not quite).  I used to wonder why other flyfishers broke rods so often, when I never really worried about it. One day with my Scott S3 showed me how fragile a fly rod can be.  I was playing a brown trout (best fish of the day) with too much of a jerking motion, and snap, the rod broke just above the first connection. I just finished composing my letter of woe to Scott, and after lunch the rod will be mailed. I am interested in the experiences of other Scott rod owners with their warranty program, and whether Scott will be around 5 years from now. Memphis Jim (I can’t turn on the TV without seeing Elvis).

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I fell against a tree holding my Scott G906 last year.  The section just ahead of the grip was crushed.  Scott replaced the rod without question and I got GREAT service.  I’ll buy a Scott every chance I get.  Not only for their service, I prefer their action over most rods I run across. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read with interest the posts about Sage’s Lifetime Warranty, since about a month ago I made my first truly absurd flyfishing purchase, a Scott S3 5 weight 4 piece (I was able to get a $200.00 discount from the retail price, but that alone says how expensive they can be). All my previous experience has been with a fly rod from Walmart (literally), and an old St. Croix Legend 4 weight rod (what they now call an Imperial). With these rods you could lift a bowling ball without worrying about breaking the rod (well, not quite).  I used to wonder why other flyfishers broke rods so often, when I never really worried about it. One day with my Scott S3 showed me how fragile a fly rod can be.  I was playing a brown trout (best fish of the day) with too much of a jerking motion, and snap, the rod broke just above the first connection. I just finished composing my letter of woe to Scott, and after lunch the rod will be mailed. I am interested in the experiences of other Scott rod owners with their warranty program, and whether Scott will be around 5 years from now. Memphis Jim (I can’t turn on the TV without seeing Elvis).

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Amen, Clark.  If these guys werent’t so busy breaking and crushing their Scott rods, maybe James Barna wouldn’t need a $200 discount to buy a new rod… Perhaps a new poll is in order: How many ROFFians have ever had the opportunity to test the warranty on their gear?  Rod, reel, waders, whatever.  30 Day warranty, lifetime warranty, no matter. Tom G

Haven’t broken one of my rod blanks yet (the fates will strike me for sure, now) but I did send back a Loomis GL3 8′ 3 wt. rod with a bend in the tip that I had not noticed when I bought it.  They replaced it with a rod that was worse (mushy action, off centre reel seat and epoxy on the seat threads).  I sent that one back to have the reel seat redone – OK after that but the action of rod no.2 wasn’t nearly as crisp as rod no.1 despite that they were supposed to be identical 3 wts.  A couple of months later, I sold rod no.2 on eBay to a guy that was looking for a slow 2/3 wt. – the Loomis fit the bill and he was a very happy camper.  I thought rod no.2 was crap – whatever floats your boat, I suppose.  Haven’t bought a Loomis product since.  They did repair and return promptly though, as  I suppose they get lots of practice. I also sent back a Hardy 3 wt. to Cortland as the handle cork cracked when fighting a nice, fat, little 16" steelhead that wasn’t supposed to be in that part of the stream.  It was repaired and returned promptly. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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 Perhaps a new poll is in order:  How many ROFFians have ever had the opportunity to test the warranty  on their gear?  Rod, reel, waders, whatever.  30 Day warranty,  lifetime warranty, no matter.    Tom G  I have returned many items over the years; my "satisfaction level" runs the whole range. Best of the best: Galvan reels- I called them and asked for a replacement part (my fault it broke), and they replaced the whole thing for free. St Croix rods- Super fast replacement, didn’t charge for shipping, didn’t care that I broke the rod in a bicycle accident. REC Components- Sent free parts to replace the ones I’d stupidly lost. Cabelas- No questions asked, ever. Okay service, but not dazzling: Sage- Two week turnaround, they always seem to charge for shipping. Cortland- Slow turn around time. Ross reels- They took care of the problem, but it shouldn’t be sooo recurring. Crappy service, they’ve lost a customer: Redington- Kept a returned custom rod, forcing me to replace all the components. Redington again- Required the original bill of sale (which I didn’t have) on a pair of waders with a supposed four year unconditional warranty, even though they’d only been selling those waders for two years. Trout Traps- "Nobody’s ever made that complaint, it must be your imagination." Worst of the worst: Airflo lines: "Uhh, you’re shit out of luck son."

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      Fuck Redington and all the re-labled imported crap they sell. I will never spend another penny on their crap. Did you consider calling them and asking about obtaining the original? They are a pretty good group of guys to work with and I bet you could have received the original hardware.  The stuff may be re-labled, but it’s not all crap.

    Yup, I called them and they told me to piss off, they’d already discarded it. I met Jim Murphy a few years ago and he seemed like a pretty decent guy, but he has some bozos working for him. Anybody who builds rods would have known what to do, but nobody at Redington builds them, they are strictly a marketing operation. And their stuff may not be all crap, but none of it is made in this hemisphere.

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Not bad for a bunch of them jamokes & scaramouches.   Meow. <vbg

Man, there’s nothing like a good Tony Germuga reference to brighten one’s day. Thanks, Joe. It’s the classics that keep ya coming back . – Sid …waiting for DaveS’s next installment in the "Two Dogs Fucking" saga.

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Brought it into my flyshop (Coleman’s), No charge, not even shipping. Not bad for a bunch of them jamokes & scaramouches.   Meow. <vbg Joe F.

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    Fuck Redington and all the re-labled imported crap they sell. I will never spend another penny on their crap.

Did you consider calling them and asking about obtaining the original?   They are a pretty good group of guys to work with and I bet you could have received the original hardware.  The stuff may be re-labled, but it’s not all crap.

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    Since everybody else is telling rod replacment stories, here’s my latest one.     A couple of years ago, I donated a 8′ 2wt Redington to a clave raffle. The rod was almost new, I’d fished it for less than hour. This was a custom built rod by a fairly experienced rod builder (me). The first time Willi took it out, the tip section snapped off. I returned the rod to Redington and recieved the entire rod back, along with a new tip section, so I was able to re-use all the old parts and face no out of pocket expenses, other than shipping.     Willi gave the rod to Warren last year. Warren didn’t even get it out of the tube; on a flight to somewhere, Warren got to his destination and removed the rod from the tube and found the tip section snapped off. I again returned the rod to Redington and they replaced it, but this time they kept the original, forcing me to buy all the parts I’d need to finish it. The parts they returned miked out exactly the same as the ones I sent in, so I think this is their not-so-subtle way of "taking care of" a problem customer (assuming they keep records of multiple returns).     Fuck Redington and all the re-labled imported crap they sell. I will never spend another penny on their crap.

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Perhaps a new poll is in order: How many ROFFians have ever had the opportunity to test the warranty on their gear?  Rod, reel, waders, whatever.  30 Day warranty, lifetime warranty, no matter.

Tom, I’ve used the warranties on a number of products. 1. Patagonia waders. – Replaced with a new pair.  Initial estimate for replacement was 3-4 mos.  Ended up getting a new pair within a month. 2. Patagonia wading boots. – Replaced with a new pair. 3. Redington waders. – Replaced with a new pair.  Purchased first pair when I thought the Patagonia waders would take 3 mos to be replaced. 4. Scott Fly Rod – Repaired within a week. —  Nice shirt. Do they sell mens clothes where you bought that?

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  Just for fun, I managed to break the same   six weight again on my very next trip to Minnesota (this on a 32" long   channel cat that ate my clouser and proceeded to tear up about 100 yards of   river, break my rod tip in two places at the landing point with violent   twisting, and then drove the hook into my thumb just for grins). The only rod I ever broke on a fish was on a Catfish too (no warranty though). They are POWERFUL fish. It was a Cat close to twenty pounds that took a tiny fly I use for Crappie. Willi

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Brought it into my flyshop (Coleman’s), No charge, not even shipping.

Not bad for a bunch of them jamokes & scaramouches.   Meow. <vbg Joe F.

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Perhaps a new poll is in order: How many ROFFians have ever had the opportunity to test the warranty on their gear?  Rod, reel, waders, whatever.  30 Day warranty, lifetime warranty, no matter.

Only once so far.  Cabelas Three Forks 3wt rod.  I busted the tip in the screen door.  They replaced it, didn’t even ask how it broke. I also have the Three Forks boot foot waders, in which I get wet (damp) from the knees down every time I use them.  Can never figure out if it’s from leaks or perspiration, so I just keep using them. Bill

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I am interested in the experiences of other Scott rod owners with their warranty program, and whether Scott will be around 5 years from now.

I don’t own one, but a buddy has broken three in the last 18 months, all of which were replaced without hesitation or question. It’s amazing, but I also know about five other guys who won’t touch any other brand and have not ever broken one. -G

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I fell against a tree holding my Scott G906 last year.  The section just ahead of the grip was crushed.  Scott replaced the rod without question and I got GREAT service.  I’ll buy a Scott every chance I get.  Not only for their service, I prefer their action over most rods I run across. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine! I read with interest the posts about Sage’s Lifetime Warranty, since about  a month ago I made my first truly absurd flyfishing purchase, a Scott S3 5 weight 4 piece (I was able to get a $200.00 discount from the retail  price, but that alone says how expensive they can be). All my previous experience has been with a fly rod from Walmart  (literally), and an old St. Croix Legend 4 weight rod (what they now call an Imperial). With these rods you could lift a bowling ball without worrying about breaking the rod (well, not quite).  I used to wonder why other flyfishers broke rods so often, when I never really worried about it. One day with my Scott S3 showed me how fragile a fly rod can be.  I was playing a brown trout (best fish of the day) with too much of a jerking motion, and snap, the rod broke just above the first connection. I just finished composing my letter of woe to Scott, and after lunch the  rod will be mailed. I am interested in the experiences of other Scott rod owners with their warranty program, and whether Scott will be around 5 years from now. Memphis Jim (I can’t turn on the TV without seeing Elvis). Broke a Scott STS 10 weight last year on a 12 lb. Blue Fish.  Sent the rod to Scott and got it back in three weeks!  I own several Scotts! Ssteve

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I am interested in the experiences of other Scott rod owners with their warranty program, and whether Scott will be around 5 years from now.

I’ve never used Scott’s warranty, but I have fished mostly Scott rods for about 25 years (I have 9 Scott rods right now). Only one was ever broken, but that was prior to the warranty program’s existence and the replacement was paid for by the airline that broke it. — Charlie…

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@posting.google.com: Perhaps a new poll is in order: How many ROFFians have ever had the opportunity to test the warranty on their gear?  Rod, reel, waders, whatever.  30 Day warranty, lifetime warranty, no matter. Tom G

I bought an Orvis Far and Fine.  There were some epoxy drips on the guides that bothered me.  I sent the rod in, complaining of a workmanship problem.   Got the rod back repaired in a timely fashion. Bashed a Lamson reel on the bed of Penn’s Creek–yes, I was holding it at the time. Something got misaligned, and the reel bound. Brought it into my flyshop (Coleman’s), fully expecting Carl to tell me he needed to send it back to Lamson, and that I’d have to pay for the repair.   Carl got the reel back.  They repaired the misalignment, and replaced the spool, but included the old scuffed, but fully functional spool.  No charge, not even shipping. — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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I have found that my best fly rods (Orivs Trident) are far more delicate than any other fly or spinning rods I have ever owned.  I am thankful for the warranty and I am happy to pay an additional $100 just to get it – it has paid for itself three times over this year – and the year is not over yet!!!

If I had a car that spent so much time in the shop, I wouldn’t be calling it my "best car". Despite lifetime warrantees, a good rod shouldn’t break if someone breathes near it.  Seems like Orvis is having some QC issues. — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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How many ROFFians have ever had the opportunity to test the warranty on their gear?  Rod, reel, waders, whatever.  30 Day warranty, lifetime warranty, no matter.

Never broke a rod.  Busted the crank off an old reel once.  Put it back on with epoxy and it’s still holding ten or twelve years later.  Lost the tip section of what appears to be a 70s vintage Sears glass rod off the roof of a Geo Tracker somewhere between Milwaukee and Penn’s creek.  Still got the butt.  Haven’t investigated the warrantee or applicability of any insurance. Wolfgang

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Although I dont have a Scott, I do have a few Orvis rods with the same type of warranty.  This has been a bad year for me.  In April I broke my six weight when I slipped down a snowy hill and drove the tiptop into the ground – Orvis fixed it no questions asked.  Same week I broke my 8 weight fighting a fairly good pike in a fast moving current. Sent it back in the same package as the six weight.  Just for fun, I managed to break the same six weight again on my very next trip to Minnesota (this on a 32" long channel cat that ate my clouser and proceeded to tear up about 100 yards of river, break my rod tip in two places at the landing point with violent twisting, and then drove the hook into my thumb just for grins).  Called Orvis, told them I was a dumb ass – they said that’s fine… send it back. I have found that my best fly rods (Orivs Trident) are far more delicate than any other fly or spinning rods I have ever owned.  I am thankful for the warranty and I am happy to pay an additional $100 just to get it – it has paid for itself three times over this year – and the year is not over yet!!! YMMV Joe C.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – their service, I prefer their action over most rods I run across. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine! If you stop running across them you wont need to use that guarantee so much Clark Amen, Clark.  If these guys werent’t so busy breaking and crushing their Scott rods, maybe James Barna wouldn’t need a $200 discount to buy a new rod… Perhaps a new poll is in order: How many ROFFians have ever had the opportunity to test the warranty on their gear?  Rod, reel, waders, whatever.  30 Day warranty, lifetime warranty, no matter. Tom G

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Perhaps a new poll is in order: How many ROFFians have ever had the opportunity to test the warranty on their gear?  Rod, reel, waders, whatever.  30 Day warranty, lifetime warranty, no matter.

1 St. Croix LU rod blank, tip section – replaced free of charge (broke in use) 3 STH casette spools – replaced free of charge (cracked) I’ll add that these were replaced by or through my local fly shop.   I don’t even know what the warranty is/was. Joe F.

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Perhaps a new poll is in order: How many ROFFians have ever had the opportunity to test the warranty on their gear?  Rod, reel, waders, whatever.  30 Day warranty, lifetime warranty, no matter.

I had a T&T VE 907S-3 break about 6" from the tip on the 2nd day of use in Denmark this year. They repaired it under warranty, albeit slowly. — Charlie…

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their service, I prefer their action over most rods I run across. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

If you stop running across them you wont need to use that guarantee so much Clark

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their service, I prefer their action over most rods I run across. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine! If you stop running across them you wont need to use that guarantee so much Clark

Amen, Clark.  If these guys werent’t so busy breaking and crushing their Scott rods, maybe James Barna wouldn’t need a $200 discount to buy a new rod… Perhaps a new poll is in order: How many ROFFians have ever had the opportunity to test the warranty on their gear?  Rod, reel, waders, whatever.  30 Day warranty, lifetime warranty, no matter. Tom G

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The only sports are mountain climbing, auto racing and bull fighting.  All the rest are games according to EH.  fwiw Dave L.

when did ernie harrison say that? walt — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Salmon Fly writes: (snip) From then on it’s been 22 dancers and a couple of zebras and It’s rather funny to watch. But’ it’s not a sport. The only sports are mountain climbing, auto racing and bull fighting.  All the rest are games according to EH.  fwiw Dave L.

Auto Racing. Now there is the all american sport. It Loud, Senseless and wastes fossil fuels. It doesn’t get any more american than that.

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I thought the officials on the field signaled the play to be a completed catch. Isn’t the rule that in the last 2 minutes of a 1/2 or the game, only the ‘upstairs re-play reviewers’ can call for a time out for a replay?

yup. and funny how the most "inconclusive" (it was a gd clean catch) replay of the year gets overturned…. like i said, FIX! WALT — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Auto Racing. Now there is the all american sport. It Loud, Senseless and wastes fossil fuels. It doesn’t get any more american than that.

You’ve never fished Lake of the Ozarks, have you? Opt out == cop-out. What’s so hard to understand?

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go vikings, they are like the steelhead runs on lake superiors north shore, slowly going downhill     tony of mn

I hear ya tony.  I’m not a vikes fan, but I really wanted them to go this year.  They deserved to go last year, but got screwed by those flash-in-the-pan falcons that ruined the superbowl. — Levi "who’s counting the days to the superbowl, even if waldo does think it’s fixed." Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.                                                         — Dave Barry

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Would impeachment work?  It wasn’t effective on Clinton, but then Jerry Jones doesn’t have perfect hair.

Jimmy Johnson had perfect hair, but it didn’t do him any good. Tom Landry had no hair so he wore a hat, but it didn’t help. He’s gone. I hate the frigging Cowboys. I saw Any Given Sunday today. Definitely worth the price of a ticket, even if the script was formulaic. Stone really knows the the technique of movie making. One funny thing was that the NFL refused to cooperate with Stone so he had to make up all the names of the football teams. They all sounded like the names of condoms. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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go vikings, they are like the steelhead runs on lake superiors north shore, slowly going downhill    tony of mn

        only on roff:  a haiku written about a losing football team. how good is that? wayno

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Snipped for no real reason…. r, no quandry for me, everyone knows i drink busch, oh, ummm, guess i’ll have to switch to pabst

Someone actually READS my stuff?  Sorry, I basically just ramble on in my own little world…..I thought I’d already made most killfiles…. <G R

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school quarterback being booed by his pastor. The NFL no longer generates this kind of interest in the game. Big Dale

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Salmon Fly writes: Auto Racing. Now there is the all american sport. It Loud, Senseless and wastes fossil fuels. It doesn’t get any more american than that.

When EH said that, he wasn’t speaking of American racing, but of European and international. Dave L.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt Walt – I’m with ya 100% on replays plus I’ll go further and ban timeouts and plays called in from the sidelines.  Let the players on the field decide the outcome of a game – that’s where the drama is. Do you want to see a quarterback disect a defence?  A linebacker corps panic a QB into jelly?  Or watch a coach think or a ref peer into a monitor?   Nothing worse than watching an offence ram the ball down field late in a close game and some f****er calls a time out or a replay.  Is this a spectator sport or a snooze fest?    Last year Flutie ran the offence in Buffalo and win or lose, they were fun to watch.  This year, the ego weenie coaches ran everything and ZZZZZZZZZZ.  The CFL used to have games that worked this way but the f***ing brain trust running it, decided that declining fan support meant that they had to imitate the NFL  Now we have timeouts, probably replays next season, and ego weenie coaches trying to run everything. Talk about f***ing up a great game.  Play the f***ing game on the field!!!! disgruntled football fan Peter

i’m with ya peter. i just hope subaru doesn’t sponsor nfl stuff or i’m in deep ka-ka with marie. it would be kinda hard explaining a yugo to her b/c of some silly football game. dale, no one else wants him paul, rugby? r, no quandry for me, everyone knows i drink busch, oh, ummm, guess i’ll have to switch to pabst allan, "and this was, called correctly by the officials" … on the field? levi, go back to sleep walt ps… i thought this group was rough…let me tell ya, we’re pussies compared to those boyos over at the tampa bay buc newsgroup this eve — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Salmon Fly writes:

(snip) From then on it’s been 22 dancers and a couple of zebras and It’s rather funny to watch. But’ it’s not a sport.

The only sports are mountain climbing, auto racing and bull fighting.  All the rest are games according to EH.  fwiw Dave L.

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No, Walt you’re not the only one. After college I started playing Rugby. A much saner and safer sport. For years I wouldn’t watch football because it was so rediculous. I started playing rugby about the same time as the instant replay wich made it seem even worse. A few years ago a friend invited me over to watch a game and I went. Sometime during the game the topic got to the state of the sport to which he replied. This isn’t a sport. It’s made for TV sensationalism to generate revenues for the network. Kind of like 60 Minutes or pro wrestling. From then on it’s been 22 dancers and a couple of zebras and It’s rather funny to watch. But’ it’s not a sport. Paul And this has nothing to do with the local team.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv?  snippings < FIX!   . Walt

AMEN brother. If that was an incomplete pass then so was the goddamn St. Louis touchdown reception. Tampa was robbed, and I’m a Redskin fan. In the Tampa/Skins game Dan Turks’ blown snap was a little funny too. Didn’t think about that till I saw a tape of the game and the shot of the Turk brothers on the sideline grinning. Bob Before you buy.

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[whining snipped] <g From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL.

Well, gee, let’s hope Hardy, Lamson, Courtland et al don’t ever decide to be the official fly-fishing gear provider of the NFL. Talk about yer conflict of interest… –Steve

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv?

Huh?  I assume you are talking about the St. Louis/Tampa Bay game?  I dozed off in the second half of the fourth quarter.  You do realize that part of the new instant replay policy is that the refs upstairs can challenge a call on the field in the final two minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarters?  Is that what happened? — Levi Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.                                                         — Dave Barry

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

That solves your Budweiser quandary…. <G R

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

Walt – I’m with ya 100% on replays plus I’ll go further and ban timeouts and plays called in from the sidelines.  Let the players on the field decide the outcome of a game – that’s where the drama is. Do you want to see a quarterback disect a defence?  A linebacker corps panic a QB into jelly?  Or watch a coach think or a ref peer into a monitor?   Nothing worse than watching an offence ram the ball down field late in a close game and some f****er calls a time out or a replay.  Is this a spectator sport or a snooze fest?    Last year Flutie ran the offence in Buffalo and win or lose, they were fun to watch.  This year, the ego weenie coaches ran everything and ZZZZZZZZZZ.  The CFL used to have games that worked this way but the f***ing brain trust running it, decided that declining fan support meant that they had to imitate the NFL  Now we have timeouts, probably replays next season, and ego weenie coaches trying to run everything. Talk about f***ing up a great game.  Play the f***ing game on the field!!!! disgruntled football fan Peter

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another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

That sucked almost as much as being a Cowboys fan. Since it appears you are getting totaly out of the NFL could you please advise as to how we can fire the Cowboy’s owner? Big Dale

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As I understand the re-play rule, to overturn a field call, the reviewer must see clear evidence that the play was called incorrectly. If the re-play official saw clear evidence he/she must have seen something that no one else did, not even Madden & Summerall. Don’t know if any one call alters the outcome but that review was b.s. No I’m not a Tampa Bay or a St. Louis fan (actually, I root for the Giants). Just a fan who enjoys a good game, and this was, called correctly by the officials.

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I thought the officials on the field signaled the play to be a completed catch. Isn’t the rule that in the last 2 minutes of a 1/2 or the game, only the ‘upstairs re-play reviewers’ can call for a time out for a replay?

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Would impeachment work?  It wasn’t effective on Clinton, but then Jerry Jones doesn’t have perfect hair. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt That sucked almost as much as being a Cowboys fan. Since it appears you are getting totaly out of the NFL could you please advise as to how we can fire the Cowboy’s owner? Big Dale

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go vikings, they are like the steelhead runs on lake superiors north shore, slowly going downhill     tony of mn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv?  snippings < FIX!   . Walt AMEN brother. If that was an incomplete pass then so was the goddamn St. Louis touchdown reception. Tampa was robbed, and I’m a Redskin fan. In the Tampa/Skins game Dan Turks’ blown snap was a little funny too. Didn’t think about that till I saw a tape of the game and the shot of the Turk brothers on the sideline grinning. Bob Before you buy.

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am i the only one who witnessed the big fix on tv? I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry in my life. Reversing a call on the field, by the NFL refs upstairs. FIX! From this moment in my life, I will never watch nor support another NFL game or anyone that sponsors the NFL. Walt

I was wondering if a certain Floridian-by-birth-if-not-by-nature was blowing his cookies this afternoon ;^) I think they blew that call, but I’m not as sure that it would have made any difference. They were struggling and I don’t think they had enough time (or momentum) to score. /daytripper (we might get a decent Superbowl for a friggin’ change!)

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    Another question from me.. what is the best temp.(water temp) do the fish work at have been trying to read anything on the situation but so far have had no luck and am reluctant to ask the folks at the shop in case they think I am crazy.. have heard different numbers being bandied about but am wondering in specific areas like here in the foothills (calgary to be exact) what a "right" temperature might be?? Any ideas would be appreciated thanks for lending an ear and a hand in advice! Pierre

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trout can be very active at water temp 45F to 65F,    53-57 best.  Depends greatly on the local adaptations, and the "hatches". Schuhfly

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Also 35F to 40F water as on the San Juan. Devon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – trout can be very active at water temp 45F to 65F,    53-57 best.  Depends greatly on the local adaptations, and the "hatches". Schuhfly

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    Another question from me.. what is the best temp.(water temp) do the fish work at have been trying to read anything on the situation but so far have had no luck and am reluctant to ask the folks at the shop in case they think I am crazy.. have heard different numbers being bandied

Fish prefer different water temperatures, when they are likely to feed most actively, e.g. approx. 60 Fahr. for stream trout, 70 for smallmouth bass, etc.  Recommended temperatures are in several books, e.g. McClane’s Fishing Encyclopedia.  Water temp. is a guide how to fish, e.g. wet or dry, not whether to fish or not.  If you can present a fly really close to a fish without scaring him, he is likely to take it whatever the temperature. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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The "rule" I follow is to ensure that the air and water temp. do not vary by more than 10 c. This is for Atlantic Salmon fishing in the Maritimes. I cannot tell you if there is any documentation on this, however, the "good old boys" on the River will say this.                                           Robert – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Another question from me.. what is the best temp.(water temp) do the fish work at have been trying to read anything on the situation but so far have had no luck and am reluctant to ask the folks at the shop in case they think I am crazy.. have heard different numbers being bandied about but am wondering in specific areas like here in the foothills (calgary to be exact) what a "right" temperature might be?? Any ideas would be appreciated thanks for lending an ear and a hand in advice! Pierre

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   Another question from me.. what is the best temp.(water temp) do the fish work at have been trying to read anything on the situation but so far have had no luck and am reluctant to ask the folks at the shop in case they think I am crazy.. have heard different numbers being bandied about but am wondering in specific areas like here in the foothills (calgary to be exact) what a "right" temperature might be?? Any ideas would be appreciated thanks for lending an ear and a hand in advice! Pierre

Hi All, Different species have different comfort ranges. I think that the activity can vary from stream to stream depending the norm. I have noticed that trout feed better between 55 and 65 degrees. If the water is a little too cold, I always fish more in the mid-day when the water is warming. If the water is too warm, I fish very early and late in the day when the water is cooler. Most fisheries have a two to six week window in the spring/early summer when the water is coming down and warming with all the larger bugs hatching. They can have a fall season too, when the water is cooling and the fish are feeding up for winter. Here in Northern California on a normal snow pack/runoff year, June and October are our top months for trout at a medium elevation (2,000 to 6,000′). Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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trout can be very active at water temp 45F to 65F,    53-57 best.  Depends greatly on the local adaptations, and the "hatches".

…and the species.  Lake trout like it colder than Brown trout, for example. Also I find trout seem to tolerate excesses of cold more than heat. — -Wayne Trzyna                           Fight spam! Join CAUCE (Coalition  http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~trzyna    See http://www.cauce.org/

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A non-computerized friend of mine is looking for two rods to purchase- a Sage 4 piece 9 foot 5weight LL and a Sage 4 piece  9 foot 4 weight LL. Please e-mail me and I will contact him.

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A non-computerized friend of mine is looking for two rods to purchase- a Sage 4 piece 9 foot 5weight LL and a Sage 4 piece  9 foot 4 weight LL. Please e-mail me and I will contact him.

Hi I recommend the River’s Edge at 406-586-5373. They have rods as well as blanks. Their blanks a very reasonably priced. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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i am looking for a recommendation for a guide for steelhead fishing on the north oregon coast. i will be in portland around xmas and would be grateful for any help in this regard.       thanks         greg

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i am looking for a recommendation for a guide for steelhead fishing on the north oregon coast. i will be in portland around xmas and would be grateful for any help in this regard.       thanks         greg

Check out TK Flysupply’s web page at: http://ourworld.compuserve.com:80/homepages/tk_flyshop/ I went fishing on one of the North Oregon coast streams with Kendall Lee a few weeks ago and caught a bright 20# Chinook. Kendall is a flyfishing pro and part time guide. He knows the rivers and can get you into fish. Your visit to Portland is timed right for early winter stealhead fishing. Should be a great time to fish. —        * * *  Some days I’d rather just give up and go fishing * * * Doug Freeman

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i am looking for a recommendation for a guide for steelhead fishing on the north oregon coast. i will be in portland around xmas and would be grateful for any help in this regard.       thanks         greg

Hi Greg: You might try calling Glenn Young.  He may not be actively guiding anymore, but can probably recommend someone to you.  He used to specialize in northern Oregon coastal fly fishing.  His number is 503-642-4570.  Best of luck!!! Paul

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Greg — Mark Bachmann at the Flyfishing Shop in Welches is one of the best, especially if you want to fish the Sandy in a drift boat.  The shop’s web page address is — http://www.teleport.com/~flyfish/index.html and the telephone number is — (503) 622-4607. Have fun. Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am looking for a recommendation for a guide for steelhead fishing on the north oregon coast. i will be in portland around xmas and would be grateful for any help in this regard.       thanks         greg Hi Greg: You might try calling Glenn Young.  He may not be actively guiding anymore, but can probably recommend someone to you.  He used to specialize in northern Oregon coastal fly fishing.  His number is 503-642-4570.  Best of luck!!! Paul

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re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

No, but I hear smoking a rat works well. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Has anyone had any experience with a new product from SC Johnson that does not contain DEET — Skintastic.  Please let me know if effective. -Mark

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                     Colorado School of Mines             Rice University                     Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown           http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

  Morgan  Try eating lots of vitamin B-12 a week or so before you go. Deet products do work though.   Harry

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Try Avon’s Skin-so-soft.  It works great, smells okay, and doesn’t leave a residue on things because you don’t spray it–it’s a lotion. Rich Utah Fish Finder http://www.xmission.com/~rpprods/utah/fishing – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel! Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN Colorado School of Mines Rice University Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown          http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

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: Try Avon’s Skin-so-soft.  It works great, smells okay, and doesn’t leave a : residue on things because you don’t spray it–it’s a lotion. : : Rich : Utah Fish Finder : http://www.xmission.com/~rpprods/utah/fishing : Has anyone mentioned the smelly kind of Bounce pined to your collar or fishing hat? I use it to keep deer flies away. Cheers, Bob — lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

     (I missed part of this thread, so if I repeat things I apologise.)      Many years ago, I spent two summers working on an archeological project in the Malheur Refuge/Blitzen River region of southeastern Oregon.  This is SERIOUS mosquito country, and we tried everything under the sun (there was plenty of that, too.)  DEET worked best, but it is yucky, maybe dangerous,etc etc.  Here’s a quick summary of our experiments: SMOKE:  Cigar and pipe smoke definitely help.  I smoked a very cheap brand of pipe tobacco called Granger, but I haven’t seen this for years.  A really effective method, taught to us by a Basque geologist, was to make a sort of incense burner out of a large tin can and burn dried cow chips upwind of where we were excavating, though this wouldn’t work for fishing.  (This smoke does not stink.) OILS: The Organic/Vegetarians among us tried oils of pennyroyal, eucalyptus, citronella, camphor, and cedar.  These weren’t much help; they were most effective when mixed with mineral oil or vaseline to give a greasy coating to the skin.  FYI, pennyroyal smells like an angry skunk wearing patchouli. VITAMINS: Some folks tried taking massive doses of B vitamins.  I don’t know if this worked on the bugs, but the users smelled faintly of vitamins after a while. COVERAGE: One fellow was very sensitive to bug bites, and took to wearing a mesh mask and long sleeved shirts.  He cut a very mysterious figure out there in the High Desert, but this worked  well, especially when he sprayed the shirt and mask lightly with DEET-based repellent.  I have since heard of people installing a transparent plastic view port in a mesh mask to improve vision.      Hope this helps.  –Roger (formerly an archeologist) Wiggin, Portland

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try Avon’s Skin-so-soft.  It works great, smells okay, and doesn’t leave a residue on things because you don’t spray it–it’s a lotion. Rich Utah Fish Finder http://www.xmission.com/~rpprods/utah/fishing Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel! Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN Colorado School of Mines Rice University Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown          http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

Avon’s Skin-so-soft works for some folks but not for others (and won’t handle bad bugs). Perhaps it has something to do with body chemistry. All Terrain out of California make a bug repellent and bug repellent/sun screen combo that has no DEET or other nasty stuff. I have tested it and it works if your problem is not to bad, i.e. won’t handle northwoods blackflies. I find that it lasts for an hour to two hours. If the problem is severe, there is no substitute for DEET. When faced with a trip to a blackfly infested area I don’t use any soap or shampoo for several days before or during the duration of the trip, and then try and use as little of a very strong Deet solution as possible. Bug jackets are another solution but they can be a pain and, as a smoker, I can’t handle net over my face. I concur as well with the earlier advice about cigars, I like to have several packages of the stinkiest and longest lasting I can find. Paul Marriner

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Avon’s Skin-so-soft works for some folks but not for others (and won’t handle bad bugs)…I find that it lasts for an hour to two hours. …

This has been my experience also.  The active mosquito-repelling ingredient in Skin-So-Soft is good old citronella.  It works for mosquitoes for awhile, but after the citronella wears off in an hour or so, it’s time for more.  It does come in a sun screen variety, by the way. All in all, for long lasting mosquito protection, DEET is the only thing that really works.  Of course, it’s also a darn good solvent for plastic.

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I had an opportunity to try Skintastic this summer in Fairbanks. It worked very well for up to four hours, although I wasn’t on the river during that time (we were hiking…). Otherwise, with just some old generic repellant, the ’skeetas’ chewed me and my family up "right well." Luckily, Fairbanks was the only place in late June where we ran into mosquitos in any significant number. Maybe they just don’t like West Texans…?

Maybe they were skeeters transplanted from Colorado. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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I make my own repellent. I call it "TBone’s Artificial Bug Repellent".  I still get the crap bit out of me by real bugs, but every time a try to to on an artificial, I drop it into the river never to be seen again, so I know that it works. TimW

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I suffer from the same problem. If I’m in a crowd one mosquito’ll find me. Try vitamin B-1. Load up for a week before you go out. Something about it turns ‘em off. Regards, — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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I suffer from the same problem. If I’m in a crowd one mosquito’ll find me. Try vitamin B-1. Load up for a week before you go out. Something about it turns ‘em off.

AHH GOOD NEWS, WERE IN LUCK !!!! Plenty of B Vites in the beer I’ll bring along…what time are we leaving ?!?!? TimW

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Has anyone had any experience with a new product from SC Johnson that does not contain DEET — Skintastic.  Please let me know if effective. -Mark

I used Natrapel last week where there were swarms of mosquitos.   Worked very well!  Got about four bites after 2 nights of camping/fishing.

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I have heard this from other sources but unfortunately it is not true the Skintastic is DEET-free. Skintastic contains N,N-diethyl-meta-toluamide which is DEET. The selling points for Skintastic are that it contains less DEET (6.65%), has aloe for the skin and is not supposed to feel greasy. DEET got a bad name when it was linked to Gulf War Syndrome where it is thought to have been a causative agent when administered in combination with an anti-nerve gas drug (a cholinesterase inhibitor, I believe). DEET has also been implicated in neurotoxic reactions in kids when applied frequently with preparations containing high amounts of DEET (50% or more). The only DEET missing from Skintastic is the word DEET on the label. The marketing people probably wanted to avoid pushing the DEET! hot buttons of consumers. Typical, just avoid the D-word and it will be all right. From what I have read, DEET repels bugs in a concentration dependent manner with 25% DEET being adequate for ticks and less needed for mosquitoes. Apparently, 56% of DEET applied to the skin is absorbed into your system where it is deposited in fat and takes several months to be mobilized and then metabolized in the liver for excretion. Thus, the more you apply the more you accumulate. The duration of effect is also concentration dependent since DEET evaporates and then requires reapplication. Higher concentrations give a longer lasting effect. The totality of the toxic effects of DEET remain unclear. However, young children seem to be the most affected either due to body size or inherent sensitivity. I suppose it will take a generation of adult guinea pigs to ascertain any long term effects of DEET use in adults. My wife and I generally try to apply DEET products to our clothes. We use a bandana with DEET on it that hangs over the forehead and over the back of the neck under a broadbrimmed hat for head protection. This seems to generate a DEET miasma in the air near the skin and works well on mosquitoes and blackflies. This leaves the hands as a target where we apply as little DEET as possible. For our daughter (22 mo.), we don’t use any DEET but dress her with turtle neck shirt and long pants and use citronella oil wipes on her exposed skin. This works OK but requires frequent reapplication. It would be interesting to hear some more nonDEET repellent strategies. Live long and bug-free. Jon

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I had an opportunity to try Skintastic this summer in Fairbanks. It worked very well for up to four hours, although I wasn’t on the river during that time (we were hiking…). Otherwise, with just some old generic repellant, the ’skeetas’ chewed me and my family up "right well." Luckily, Fairbanks was the only place in late June where we ran into mosquitos in any significant number. Maybe they just don’t like West Texans…? Roger Saathoff Lubbock

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                     Colorado School of Mines             Rice University                     Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown           http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

   Note:   I have been using strips of Downy fabric softner tyed to my shirt or hat with some success in keeping bugs away.  Not 100% but it helps.   Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                     Colorado School of Mines           Rice University                     Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown            http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

This is a pretty common problem.  Someone taught me a trick recently.  When you apply DEET, put it on the BACK of one hand, and rub the backs of your hands together.  Try to avoid getting DEET on the front of your hands. Good Luck Scott

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel! Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN Colorado School of Mines Rice University Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown          http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

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Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                 Colorado School of Mines                 Rice University                 Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown                http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

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This should be another good year for the American Shad.  They migrate up the rivers in the spring, along with the Stripers,  to spawn.  They were imported from the east coast in the late 1800’s, along with the Striped Bass.  Both species really took off and became major fisheries in the North West.  The Sacramento river and it tributaries, the American, Feather and Yuba rivers, have good runs if they have adequate water flows.  The mouth of the American river and the mouth of the Feather river are good early( April/May ) spots ( from a boat )for shad and stripers. As the season progresses ( May/June ), they move up the rivers, were you can wade and fly fish for them quite successfully.  They hold in tight schools like salmon, and average 2 to 3 pounds with tops around  7 pounds. If you want to do something new and exciting,  I recommend getting a guide with a boat and go have a ball.  Try these year-round, full-time, independent guides: 916/331-2001. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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How about the Sacramento or Klamath for Shad? What time of year would you recommend? Thanks

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How about the Sacramento or Klamath for Shad? What time of year would you recommend? Thanks

   The Sacramento drainage will start to kick in in a few weeks. Look for the article on Sacramento shad in the upcoming issue of Flyfishing the West magazine. Start calling Keine’s Fly shop or Fly Fishing Specialties in a couple of weeks, they’re usually on top of whats going on in the valley.    Ralph —

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If you want to do something new and exciting,  I recommend getting a guide with a boat and go have a ball.  Try these year-round, full-time, independent guides: @ 916/331-2001.

I can personally recommend Bob Sparre.  He runs the Yuba mostly, and knows it well.  Offers raft trips for 4-6 fishermen.  Raft is for access only. Shad fishing is wading gravel bars.  Price is reasonable, about $80 a head for a full day I think.   John Woodling Sacramento, CA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This should be another good year for the American Shad.  They migrate up the rivers in the spring, along with the Stripers,  to spawn.  They were imported from the east coast in the late 1800’s, along with the Striped Bass.  Both species really took off and became major fisheries in the North West.  The Sacramento river and it tributaries, the American, Feather and Yuba rivers, have good runs if they have adequate water flows.  The mouth of the American river and the mouth of the Feather river are good early( April/May ) spots ( from a boat )for shad and stripers. As the season progresses ( May/June ), they move up the rivers, were you can wade and fly fish for them quite successfully.  They hold in tight schools like salmon, and average 2 to 3 pounds with tops around  7 pounds. If you want to do something new and exciting,  I recommend getting a guide with a boat and go have a ball.  Try these year-round, full-time, independent guides: 916/331-2001. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

   You might also check out the article "California Shad" in the newest issue of Flyfishing the West magazine (I think it’ll be on the shelves within a week).    -Ralph —

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How’s the fishing on the Truckee this time of year?  Would I be wasting my time if I were to go out this weekend (I don’t feel like driving to Pyramid Lake)?  The water seems very cold, but does that mean trout go totally dormant in the winter.  What patterns work this time of year.

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(Charles Taylor) writes: How’s the fishing on the Truckee this time of year?  Would I be wasting my time if I were to go out this weekend (I don’t feel like driving to Pyramid Lake)?  The water seems very cold, but does that mean trout go totally dormant in the winter.  What patterns work this time of year.

Chuck, All of the Truckee on the California side is closed.  The Nevada side is open and you should give the Reno Fly Shop (702) 827-0600 a call to find out if the water’s warm enough.  Needs to be in the mid 40’s at least to do much good.                                                    Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Schools Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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How’s the fishing on the Truckee this time of year?  Would I be wasting my time if I were to go out this weekend (I don’t feel like driving to Pyramid Lake)?  The water seems very cold, but does that mean trout go totally dormant in the winter.  What patterns work this time of year.

HI CHUCK-    Our weather has been unseasonably warm with resultant runoff. The fishing is poor in the river. Sorry.    -Ralph —

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TIP OF THE DAY; Studying insects helps anglers Knowing when aquatic insects should hatch gives you an advantage. Near the end of April, I fished a stretch of the Whitewater River = expecting a hatch of Hendrickson mayflies. I knew from experience that the adults show up on the water’s surface sometime between 2 = and 5 p.m. The day was perfect for good mayfly action, dark and ugly. At 11 a.m., I started wading upcurrent,  fishing  streamers. They didn’t = work. Next I dredged deep pools with nymphs. Bottom-hugging snags ate my nymphs. The trout were sulking.  A few tentative taps at my nymph pattern kept me awake. By 3 p.m., after 4 hours of hard  fishing,  I had caught and released only = four small browns. I probably would have given up then if I hadn’t known there would be a hatch. Just as I was beginning to wonder if the hatch really would occur, I roundeda bend and spied a platoon of 11- to 14-inch browns frol= icking in an ankle-deep riffle. They attacked. Every other drift through the riffle brought a strike – on each of the four different=  Hendrickson dry-fly patterns I used.

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I am planning a 4 day FF trip to Juneau, Alaska at the end of August. I sure could use some info on the following: Fly patterns and sizes Techniques Favorite streams Line size (I will be fishing with a G. Loomis 9′ 6wt) I have a friend who lives in Alaska and fishes quite a bit, but, when I told him that I wanted to come and fly fish he said that he hasn’t seen anyone around Juneau fly fishing and that it was not the method of choice for that area.  I plan on fly-fishing. Am I being too optomistic? Thanks in advance.

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One reason there is so little fly fishing in Juneau is that it is relatively hard to get to a stream. The airport is on a small island off the coast, and there is essentially only 1 road north and south a short distance.  Most people have boats that they use to troll for fish in the inland waterway. I fished there once, on Montana Creek. You want to be careful of bears, especially late in the summer when the spawning fish are in the rivers in numbers.  The scenery is beautiful; have a great time. In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am planning a 4 day FF trip to Juneau, Alaska at the end of August. I sure could use some info on the following: Fly patterns and sizes Techniques Favorite streams Line size (I will be fishing with a G. Loomis 9′ 6wt) I have a friend who lives in Alaska and fishes quite a bit, but, when I told him that I wanted to come and fly fish he said that he hasn’t seen anyone around Juneau fly fishing and that it was not the method of choice for that area.  I plan on fly-fishing. Am I being too optomistic? Thanks in advance.

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