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….Wolfgang, do you fish? Been thinking about trying it. Care to recommend a good pole? Wolfgang South! S.
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I’ve heard the Cabela’s Three Forks is a good stick… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….Wolfgang, do you fish? Been thinking about trying it. Care to recommend a good pole? Wolfgang
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Why not avoid the riffraff and start a private group? rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.grumpy.old.men It’s astonishing how the denizens of this group expect newcomers to take a ration and yet are so offended at the slightest ribbing. I think you take yourselfs a little too seriously. Except for Wolfgang, but I bet he’s not so glib when he’s low on meds. Believe me, I am not worth getting too worked up about. Just killfile me and get on with your life, as mature, and therefore out of the question, as that may sound. Bugger Everybody
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… It’s astonishing how the denizens of this group expect newcomers to take a ration and yet are so offended at the slightest ribbing.
We expect EVERYBODY to "take a ration". That’s the nature of the place and newbies are not exempt. It takes a pretty thick skin to voice an unpopular opinion around here but I, for one, agree with you about the Korean piece of shit Cabela’s Three Forks. Hang around, ignore most of the shit-weasels and give tit-for-tat to the rest. You might have fun. — Ken Fortenberry
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Why not avoid the riffraff and start a private group?
Why not form your own group and thus avoid riffraff and grumpy old men? Or simply die? rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.grumpy.old.men It’s astonishing how the denizens of this group expect newcomers to take a ration and yet are so offended at the slightest ribbing.
It is even more astonishing to contemplate how ill equipped you are to determine what anyone expects or who is offended by what. But then, what with your head spending so much time up your ass, all that buggery was bound to have some unpleasant consequences, wasn’t it? I think you take yourselfs a little too seriously.
Well, aside from the fact that the vast majority of us have only a single self (unlike some other highly uninteresting individuals who only drop in occasionally to take a much deserved and inevitable drubbing) and that the group as a whole also has only a single self, what you may or may not believe you think (assuming such a ludicrous notion has any applicability to this or any other world) is a matter which no one here is likely to take seriously. Except for Wolfgang,
Always quite flattering to be thought of as exceptional. but I bet he’s not so glib when he’s low on meds.
Genius. Sheer unadulterated genius. Mind if I use that one some time? Believe me,
As a rule, that is not likely to happen. I am not worth getting too worked up about.
We believe you. Just killfile me
No. That has never worked for you before…..why would you think it would this time? and get on with your life,
Well, aside from the fact that we do not share a single life (each of us having been bestowed with an entire one of his or her own), what in the world would make you think that any of your pusillanimous pettifoggery would prompt anyone to put his or her life on hold for even the briefest instant? as mature, and therefore out of the question, as that may sound.
Actually, it doesn’t, for all of the reasons stated above. Wolfgang and he STILL doesn’t get it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bugger Everybody
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"pusillanimous pettifoggery" "pusillanimous pettifoggery" "pusillanimous pettifoggery" Cool.
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Why not avoid the riffraff and start a private group? rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.grumpy.old.men
And just how do you know we are old? I mean, you could be a lot older and are obviously quite grumpy enough for us all. Oh, and you forgot the "cor" at the beginning of your email address. — HTH, Tim
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Hello all you hansom, intellectual, talented ROFFers (especially rw), Hi Bugger too, Everyone that could not take the diversity of fly fisherman on the web here already left this group years ago slamming the door loudly. You have to be very open minded to be here for the long hall. You have to have a sense of humor too. I remember sitting here years ago, dead of winter, nothing going on and "T-bone" would make a post that made me laugh so loud that I woke my wife in the next room. You have to be half crazy to have a fly shop to because we get some customers that make George look passive. Only stay here if it is worth it, but save the complaints because we have already heard them all. I don’t care if you are a "nympher" or a "troller" or just "too cerebral", OK, now I will tell a bed time story for you guys. (10:30pm in California) When I was a teenager I ran around with a neighborhood group of guys in south Sacramento. When I was with the group, someone was always teasing me about my clothes or my hair or something I said. One day I just left mad. The next day at school a friend ask me where I went. I told him I did not think many of them liked me because they always teased me. He said that they teased everyone in the group. My friend said that if they did not like you, they would not say anything thing to you. Most people just want to be noticed. My friend was pretty smart. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why not avoid the riffraff and start a private group? rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.grumpy.old.men It’s astonishing how the denizens of this group expect newcomers to take a ration and yet are so offended at the slightest ribbing. I think you take yourselfs a little too seriously. Except for Wolfgang, but I bet he’s not so glib when he’s low on meds. Believe me, I am not worth getting too worked up about. Just killfile me and get on with your life, as mature, and therefore out of the question, as that may sound. Bugger Everybody
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Suggestion withdrawn. It just occurred to me that I am pretty grumpy, and certainly not young, which is to say approaching middle age, as long as I plan to live until I’m 85… Bugger Me 
p.s. My apologies to the troll about advice for a ‘fishing pole’. I figured this group would jump all over the faux paus of calling a fly rod a pole. What do I get? Advice. Shit, maybe I’ll try out the 3 forks. p.p.s. Wolfgang, do you fish? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why not avoid the riffraff and start a private group? rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.grumpy.old.men It’s astonishing how the denizens of this group expect newcomers to take a ration and yet are so offended at the slightest ribbing. I think you take yourselfs a little too seriously. Except for Wolfgang, but I bet he’s not so glib when he’s low on meds. Believe me, I am not worth getting too worked up about. Just killfile me and get on with your life, as mature, and therefore out of the question, as that may sound. Bugger Everybody
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….Wolfgang, do you fish?
Been thinking about trying it. Care to recommend a good pole? Wolfgang
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….Wolfgang, do you fish? Been thinking about trying it. Care to recommend a good pole? Wolfgang
South! S.
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Lech Walesa! G.C.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person. An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River."
I think the possessive represents who owns the discovery, not who actually owns the river. We have a bird out here called the Clark’s Nutcracker. It was named by Clark. Besides, if you remove the apostrophe and keep the s it becomes a plural, not at all what was intended. Chas
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noted diver F Reid notes: out here got it bass ackwards. The hatches happen when the stinking sun is high and bright!
Come on up to the Tulpehocken when it rains, it is close to the only time I fish the place. I would note that cloudy(not rainy) days are by far the best on Penns for just the reasons Willi observed. just wanted to post into a thread whose title included Waynes Crabs, Tom
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person. An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River."
BUZZ! Apostrophes are used to denote possession, literal or figurative. Thus, Deere’s tractors are those designed and or built by a company named after and or founded by one John Deere. Presumably (I know little of the history of this company or its products) John Deere himself once owned the entire company or at least a controlling interest. At that time it would have been natural to presume that all the tractors built by the company "belonged" to Mr. Deere in some reasonable literal sense. After his demise (or other divestiture in the company) none of the tractors would have belonged to him literally but still did so in a figurative sense. It seems unnatural to those of us familiar with said products to refer to them as Deere’s tractors because common usage dictates that they be referred to as "John Deere" tractors, but there are many other products who’s names do or at least could rely on the possessive apostrophe. Uncle Ben’s rice comes immediately to mind. Now, I don’t know whether the apostrophe is actually used on this product (instant rice is an abomination……it is not allowed in my pantry), but I suspect that no one would object to its use in this context……whether or not there ever actually WAS an uncle Ben to whom it may or may not have belonged. There are many other examples of the ambiguity of ownership. Beethoven may once have owned a fifth or even several, but the odds are that he drank the several (thus making ownership moot while doing nothing to resolve the question of apostrophe’s) and, given copyright conventions (or to put it more bluntly, the lack thereof) of his day, the other one pretty much ceased to belong to him the day it was first aired in public. And what are we to make of the apostrophe’s use? What exactly, does it own? Wolfgang
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… snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person. An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River." I think the possessive represents who owns the discovery, not who actually owns the river. We have a bird out here called the Clark’s Nutcracker. It was named by Clark. Besides, if you remove the apostrophe and keep the s it becomes a plural, not at all what was intended. I agree with you Chas. From what I understand, not using an apostrophe was just a convention that was adopted by topographers. I also think that it’s one of those rules that is "violated" so much that either usage is now correct. Willi
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person. An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River." I think the possessive represents who owns the discovery, not who actually owns the river.
Er, no. For example, if one actually owns the body of water (such as a pond or lake), then it would be "Clark’s Pond," as opposed to one simply named after someone. We have a bird out here called the Clark’s Nutcracker. It was named by Clark.
Are you sure? Maybe it named for Clark’s Nutcracker… Besides, if you remove the apostrophe and keep the s it becomes a plural, not at all what was intended. Chas
You’re actually a pair of Cha? TC, R
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person. An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River." BUZZ! Apostrophes are used to denote possession, literal or figurative. Thus, Deere’s tractors are those designed and or built by a company named after and or founded by one John Deere. Presumably (I know little of the history of this company or its products) John Deere himself once owned the entire company or at least a controlling interest. At that time it would have been natural to presume that all the tractors built by the company "belonged" to Mr. Deere in some reasonable literal sense. After his demise (or other divestiture in the company) none of the tractors would have belonged to him literally but still did so in a figurative sense. It seems unnatural to those of us familiar with said products to refer to them as Deere’s tractors because common usage dictates that they be referred to as "John Deere" tractors, but there are many other products who’s names do or at least could rely on the possessive apostrophe. Uncle Ben’s rice comes immediately to mind. Now, I don’t know whether the apostrophe is actually used on this product (instant rice is an abomination……it is not allowed in my pantry), but I suspect that no one would object to its use in this context……whether or not there ever actually WAS an uncle Ben to whom it may or may not have belonged. There are many other examples of the ambiguity of ownership. Beethoven may once have owned a fifth or even several, but the odds are that he drank the several (thus making ownership moot while doing nothing to resolve the question of apostrophe’s) and, given copyright conventions (or to put it more bluntly, the lack thereof) of his day, the other one pretty much ceased to belong to him the day it was first aired in public. And what are we to make of the apostrophe’s use? What exactly, does it own? Wolfgang
BZZT! Both John Deere and Uncle Ben’s are trade names, and so, they are meaningless as to the grammar, spelling, etc. – you could have "Clark’s Klarcs Barz," whose slogan is "Made with Uncle Ben’z Arrowz, so eat ‘em on Jonn Deare’s tractors…" TC, R
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Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. Willi Yah know Willi, I grew up with that. From California and Korea to the UK and Germany. Fishing ain’t worth a damn unless its cloudy with a bit of wind to break up the surface. Came out the the right coast, didn’t go fishing unless the day was cloudy so I could hit a hatch. Guess what, these suckers out here got it bass ackwards. The hatches happen when the stinking sun is high and bright! Jeez-O-Pete! I was here a year before I found a decent hatch. Can’t they do anything right out here? There was an argument about this earlier on ROFF but I believe that some insects hatch out more prolifically during inclement weather. BWO’s fit into this catagory. However, agree with that or not, trout don’t like bright direct sunlight. Especially in low clear water, trout are reluctant to come out and establish feeding stations to surface feed on a bright sunny day. The other day was a good example. I was out early and the fish were avidly feeding on emerging Trico duns. Then the sun became direct on the water and the feeding stopped even though the spinner fall that happened later resulted in more bugs on the water than when the duns were hatching and they were easier pickings because they are dead. Willi Willi
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in jan 2001, wally and i resorted to traveling up to tennessee to fish the watauga tailwater. all the streams in the mountains of nc were frozen over and unfishable – really. the only time we saw bugs coming off (wally says they were bwo) was when the sun shone for a while. the fish would get active and we’d catch the hell out of them. then the sun would go behind the clouds and the hatch would stop, along with the catch. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. Willi Yah know Willi, I grew up with that. From California and Korea to the UK and Germany. Fishing ain’t worth a damn unless its cloudy with a bit of wind to break up the surface. Came out the the right coast, didn’t go fishing unless the day was cloudy so I could hit a hatch. Guess what, these suckers out here got it bass ackwards. The hatches happen when the stinking sun is high and bright! Jeez-O-Pete! I was here a year before I found a decent hatch. Can’t they do anything right out here? There was an argument about this earlier on ROFF but I believe that some insects hatch out more prolifically during inclement weather. BWO’s fit into this catagory. However, agree with that or not, trout don’t like bright direct sunlight. Especially in low clear water, trout are reluctant to come out and establish feeding stations to surface feed on a bright sunny day. The other day was a good example. I was out early and the fish were avidly feeding on emerging Trico duns. Then the sun became direct on the water and the feeding stopped even though the spinner fall that happened later resulted in more bugs on the water than when the duns were hatching and they were easier pickings because they are dead. Willi Willi
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yeah, yeah…but i was talking about fork flies…<g. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person. An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River." BUZZ! Apostrophes are used to denote possession, literal or figurative. Thus, Deere’s tractors are those designed and or built by a company named after and or founded by one John Deere. Presumably (I know little of the history of this company or its products) John Deere himself once owned the entire company or at least a controlling interest. At that time it would have been natural to presume that all the tractors built by the company "belonged" to Mr. Deere in some reasonable literal sense. After his demise (or other divestiture in the company) none of the tractors would have belonged to him literally but still did so in a figurative sense. It seems unnatural to those of us familiar with said products to refer to them as Deere’s tractors because common usage dictates that they be referred to as "John Deere" tractors, but there are many other products who’s names do or at least could rely on the possessive apostrophe. Uncle Ben’s rice comes immediately to mind. Now, I don’t know whether the apostrophe is actually used on this product (instant rice is an abomination……it is not allowed in my pantry), but I suspect that no one would object to its use in this context……whether or not there ever actually WAS an uncle Ben to whom it may or may not have belonged. There are many other examples of the ambiguity of ownership. Beethoven may once have owned a fifth or even several, but the odds are that he drank the several (thus making ownership moot while doing nothing to resolve the question of apostrophe’s) and, given copyright conventions (or to put it more bluntly, the lack thereof) of his day, the other one pretty much ceased to belong to him the day it was first aired in public. And what are we to make of the apostrophe’s use? What exactly, does it own? Wolfgang
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Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. Willi
Yah know Willi, I grew up with that. From California and Korea to the UK and Germany. Fishing ain’t worth a damn unless its cloudy with a bit of wind to break up the surface. Came out the the right coast, didn’t go fishing unless the day was cloudy so I could hit a hatch. Guess what, these suckers out here got it bass ackwards. The hatches happen when the stinking sun is high and bright! Jeez-O-Pete! I was here a year before I found a decent hatch. Can’t they do anything right out here? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply
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… snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name.
Why not? Chas
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you’re one evil geezer…<g jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff Miller writes: …i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval Well, I hope there will be some dry fly action, Jeffy. It’s beginning to look like Fortenberry was right. The long term forcast calls for "snow showers" in that part of Idaho during the clave. Damn, Fortenberry, FORTENBERRY, was right. Looks like I’m gonna hafta rent the Humvee instead of the Lincoln. Why didn’t Warren warn us about this? d;o)
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… snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not?
Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person. An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River." TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Chas
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i will self-flagellate while facing southwest…<g jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval that he thought might garner a look from an idaho trout… thanks fellers… it’ll be fun fishin the flies you picked, and i can blame your poor selections if i don’t do too well. <g oh…and wayne hart sent me a box of his "crab" flies to test on the carolina redfish this fall. an interesting creation, and can’t wait to give em a try. thanks wayne… thought i’d give a public "thank you" simply to underscore a bit of the benefits of this place. jeff Ah…from the subject header, I thought your esteemed colleague had been, er, "Mercedes shopping in all the wrong places…" Weren’t sure why you were thanking him, though… <G…outside the box, doncha know… TC, R …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name.
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…i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval that he thought might garner a look from an idaho trout… thanks fellers… it’ll be fun fishin the flies you picked, and i can blame your poor selections if i don’t do too well. <g oh…and wayne hart sent me a box of his "crab" flies to test on the carolina redfish this fall. an interesting creation, and can’t wait to give em a try. thanks wayne… thought i’d give a public "thank you" simply to underscore a bit of the benefits of this place. jeff
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Jeff Miller writes: …i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval
Well, I hope there will be some dry fly action, Jeffy. It’s beginning to look like Fortenberry was right. The long term forcast calls for "snow showers" in that part of Idaho during the clave. Damn, Fortenberry, FORTENBERRY, was right. Looks like I’m gonna hafta rent the Humvee instead of the Lincoln. Why didn’t Warren warn us about this? d;o)
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Here’s a couple items for the Henry’s Forkers: An updated report has been posted to HF Anglers website: http://www.henrysforkanglers.com The flow is working it’s way down, but it’s still higher than last September so far. 900 cfs in Island Park would be ideal for waders: http://waterdata.usgs.gov/id/nwis/uv/?site_no=13042500&PARAmeter_cd=0… 060 And if anyone wants to send me some flies or a new 3 pc, 9′ 5 weight XP, I’ll try em out on the Fork 
The XP would be especially handy. bruce h
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -…i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval that he thought might garner a look from an idaho trout… thanks fellers… it’ll be fun fishin the flies you picked, and i can blame your poor selections if i don’t do too well. <g oh…and wayne hart sent me a box of his "crab" flies to test on the carolina redfish this fall. an interesting creation, and can’t wait to give em a try. thanks wayne… thought i’d give a public "thank you" simply to underscore a bit of the benefits of this place. jeff
Ah…from the subject header, I thought your esteemed colleague had been, er, "Mercedes shopping in all the wrong places…" Weren’t sure why you were thanking him, though… <G…outside the box, doncha know… TC, R …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name.
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…i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval Well, I hope there will be some dry fly action, Jeffy. It’s beginning to look like Fortenberry was right. The long term forcast calls for "snow showers" in that part of Idaho during the clave. Damn, Fortenberry, FORTENBERRY, was right. Looks like I’m gonna hafta rent the Humvee instead of the Lincoln. Why didn’t Warren warn us about this?
Can you believe that long term forecast! The Climate Prediction Center shows above average temps and above average precip for that time frame. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/ All in all, it looks like good streamer weather…..
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RockTrout writes: Can you believe that long term forecast! The Climate Prediction Center shows above average temps and above average precip for that time frame.
Fortenberry knows that region very, very well. He spent all of his adult life there — what…. two years?…. so I’m *sure* it’s gonna snow. I wish Warren had warned us. d;o)
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Can you believe that long term forecast! The Climate Prediction Center shows above average temps and above average precip for that time frame. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/ All in all, it looks like good streamer weather….. Long range forecasts like that are wrong as often as they’re right but cloudy days would be great for dry fly fishing for a number of reasons. IMO, BWO hatches are much heavier when there is cloud cover. The Olives will probably be the most prolific hatch while we are at Henrys. Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. The trout are less "fussy" during cloudy weather. You don’t need as good of a match. Trout are less spooky and wary and you can usually go with heavier tippet. If it’s cloudy, I’ll be fishing the ranch. Willi
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…i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… I think you’ll be pleased with Harry’s flies. The flies he offers are VERY well tied and many are different from "normal" ties which is especially good, IMO, on hard fished water like Henrys Fork. Willi
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Here’s a couple items for the Henry’s Forkers: An updated report has been posted to HF Anglers website: http://www.henrysforkanglers.com The flow is working it’s way down, but it’s still higher than last September so far. 900 cfs in Island Park would be ideal for waders: http://waterdata.usgs.gov/id/nwis/uv/?site_no=13042500&PARAmeter_cd=0… 060 And if anyone wants to send me some flies or a new 3 pc, 9′ 5 weight XP, I’ll try em out on the Fork The XP would be especially handy. You know there are trout rods in other than five weight, you have enough 5 weights. You need to broaden your arsenal. Willi
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What I need is a bunch of stupid trout It’s raining here right now- hoping to hit the Clarks Fork tonight- I understand the river has been something close to phenominal the last few days jh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you believe that long term forecast! The Climate Prediction Center shows above average temps and above average precip for that time frame. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/ All in all, it looks like good streamer weather….. Long range forecasts like that are wrong as often as they’re right but cloudy days would be great for dry fly fishing for a number of reasons. IMO, BWO hatches are much heavier when there is cloud cover. The Olives will probably be the most prolific hatch while we are at Henrys. Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. The trout are less "fussy" during cloudy weather. You don’t need as good of a match. Trout are less spooky and wary and you can usually go with heavier tippet. If it’s cloudy, I’ll be fishing the ranch. Willi
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I would agree, if the clouds roll in I would think the BWO would be the ticket. The Wind, IMO, is more of a problem than no bugs…. HM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you believe that long term forecast! The Climate Prediction Center shows above average temps and above average precip for that time frame. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/ All in all, it looks like good streamer weather….. Long range forecasts like that are wrong as often as they’re right but cloudy days would be great for dry fly fishing for a number of reasons. IMO, BWO hatches are much heavier when there is cloud cover. The Olives will probably be the most prolific hatch while we are at Henrys. Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. The trout are less "fussy" during cloudy weather. You don’t need as good of a match. Trout are less spooky and wary and you can usually go with heavier tippet. If it’s cloudy, I’ll be fishing the ranch. Willi
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To Any UK or European Angler Types, Does anyone out there have a good groundbait recipe for fish other than carp? Specifically I am looking for something attractive to small predatory or insect eating fish along the line of Bream and Perch Thanks in Advance
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There is an article on ground bait in this months issue of In-Fisherman. I must admit, until I read the article, I had never heard of ground bait. (Apparently, it is very popular in Europe). The article specifically targets Bluegill (Shellcrackers). They mention using Spam, and other ingredients. Sorry, I dont have the issue with me or I would include the recipie. One thing I do remember was that they claimed that there is no better bait for Bluegill that have been attracted by groundbait than Maggots. I hope you can find a copy of the issue.
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To Any UK or European Angler Types, Does anyone out there have a good groundbait recipe for fish other than carp? Specifically I am looking for something attractive to small predatory or insect eating fish along the line of Bream and Perch Thanks in Advance
Chopped worms added either to peat (as a binder) or to a breadcrumb based groundbait always works well for perch. Tench and bream go for it too. Bream are traditionally groundbaited for with bread crumb based groundbait, containing samples of whatever the hook bait is. There are lots of commercial groundbaits and additives which are good for roach, bream, rudd etc. Having said that, loose fed maggots are usually sufficient for perch. Steve
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First I’d like to indroduce myself for this is my first posting this newsgroup. I live in the northern part of Germany and I’m thirty years old, I’ve been fishing for various species with a lot methods for nearly twenty years. I’ve been a serious carp angler for ten years but nowadays I spend most of the time fishing for seatrout in the baltic sea either with fly or spinning baits and I enjoy flyfishing for atlantic salmon in Norway Anyway, here we go:. To Any UK or European Angler Types, Does anyone out there have a good groundbait recipe for fish other than carp? Specifically I am looking for something attractive to small predatory or insect eating fish along the line of Bream and Perch Thanks in Advance
Hello Curtis, Well, attracting bream is quite simple, first you need a lot of groundbait because bream feed in great schoals and eat a lot. To hold them in place for a longer time really needs a lot of bait. For a 5 hour bream session I would recommend at least 3 gallons of groundbait, if there is a good stock of bream the water. The difficulty in bream fishing is to get larger specimen (4 lbs + fish), for they tend to travel solitarily the bigger they get. Smaller bream are easy to attract and to catch, if the water holds a good stock and they live in large schoals.. The basic substance should be breadcrumb or bread. The groundbait should be sweet for bream, vanilla is a very common additive and caramel, sugar or koprah molasses are widely used by European bream anglers. Add maggots or other live bait (worms) to the groundbait, about 1/4 of a gallon or so. A good substance to add to bream groundbait are crushed butter cookies, they can make up to 1/3 or even more of the mix. Don’t buy them in a supermarket, try to get substandard goods from a factory or bakery. Good hook baits for bream are: maggots lobworms combination of maggot/lobworm combination of sweetcorn and maggot breadflake The "sweet bream mix" works very well for tench either. When fishing for roach the mixture should be less sweet than for bream. Hemp meal is very attractive for roach and cooked hemp is a fine hook bait for this species (the basic substance beeing breadcrumb as well). And a substance used by European competions anglers is dove shit, believe me or not, not much, some 2% or so. The Dutch and Belgian anglers have used that for a number of years. Good hook baits for roach and rudd are maggots or casters. and especially for rudd the breadflake You’ll get a problem when there are a lot of carp in the water, because carp like these groundbaits too. And they drive away the smaller fish from your swim, when the occur in larger numbers. The only way of dealing with them in such a case is to get out the carp rods …. . Attracting perch with groundbait doesn’t work. You can use a catapult and shoot maggots in larger quantities into the water, this will attract some perch but will attract more and more roach and/or rudd. Kind regards Wolfgang — Rivers and the inhabitants of the watery elements are made for wise men to contemplate and for fools to pass by without consideration. (Izaak Walton, The compleat angler, London 1653) ## CrossPoint v3.02 ##
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I was fishing the South Platte upstream from Deckers in the mountains S.W. of Denver, laid out a beuatiful cast and as the tippet was unrolling, took a Barn Swallow out of the air.. It got a little wet on the retrieve, untangling took about five minutes, but I received a chirp of thanks upon departure.
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Not with turtles…but lizards will take an 18 or smaller terrestrial readily!! Be kind and crimp the barbs..catch and release please. J.O’C.
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While fishing for smallmouth bass on the Mississippi River near Monticello MN. Dick Schultz caught what he thought was a log. Much to his surprise, the log started swimming off. After a pitched 5 minute battle, his log turned out to be a large snapping turtle, with his clauser minnow in its upper jaw. A world record snapper on a fly? Brian M
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Although never a turtle, i’ve caught bullfrogs and garter snakes on a dry fly. bob welliever Bob Welliever Phoenix, AZ.
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I have a nice marshy pond I fish for blue gills and bass on. This spring there’s more turtles than fish, however. They’re very crious; they stick there head out of the water a few inches, for a few minutes, then move on to another spot. I fear one day they’ll swoop up a fly and create a real mess. I’m staying away from the wooley buggers for just that reason. Any experience risin’ turtle? Tom — "For the love of the fly, the cycle of spring, and all things that remind us of nature’s cruel dance."
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I have a nice marshy pond I fish for blue gills and bass on. This spring there’s more turtles than fish, however. They’re very crious; they stick there head out of the water a few inches, for a few minutes, then move on to another spot. I fear one day they’ll swoop up a fly and create a real mess. I’m staying away from the wooley buggers for just that reason. Any experience risin’ turtle? Tom
While I’ve heard of turtles taking a fly (including some terriffic stories involving snapping turtles), it may not be as likely as you think. Last week I came across a regular party going on in and under a mulberry tree hanging over a deep, slow moving channel. Grackles, crows and mockingbirds were fighting over the ripe berries in the tree and, in their struggles, raining them down on the water below. As many as a dozen large river turtles were treading water under the bush, necks outstretched. When I noticed the huge, dark shapes of a pod of big carp rolling underneath the turtles, I bit off the little bluegill popper I had on and tied on the closest thing I had to a mullberry, a black woolly worm hackled with a red-dyed grizzly saddle. On every cast, the turtles would swim furiously over to the fly, then refuse it from a good distance away. The carp didn’t have nearly so many inhibitions. In an hour of casting right next to some very eager, hungry turtles, I didn’t have a single one actually take the fly, which was just fine with me. After letting big carp tow our little boat around for a while, we finally ran out of flies to match the "mulberry hatch." My last fish from that spot was an 18"-20" channel catfish, which took on the surface, dove for the bottom, and shook its head like a bulldog. Somehow, the bluegills just didn’t seem the same after our party at the mulberry… Tight Lines (but No TURTLES!) BRAD DeVRIES "Only two things are infinite; the universe, and human stupidity, and I’m not so sure about the former." – Albert Einstein
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