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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are some excellent suggestions here-thanks everyone. I was looking at the hodgeman nylon waders this weekend, might go with those in conjunction with my teva-type sandals, which are usually my camp shoe also. My main priority is to learn to fly cast by the time spring comes. sometimes i do backpack to flyfish.. hodgeman supplex waders orvis "pack and travel" boots they are both lightweight and pack small however i pack neither if i go very far..

 If you use sandals for a wading shoe make sure that you wear a pair of socks (neoprenes work well) over your wader’s feet. Otherwise sand and grit will get caught between your sandal and your foot and wear out your waders fast. Been there, done that. G.Cleveland

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sometimes i do backpack to flyfish.. hodgeman supplex waders orvis "pack and travel" boots they are both lightweight and pack small however i pack neither if i go very far..

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There are some excellent suggestions here-thanks everyone. I was looking at the hodgeman nylon waders this weekend, might go with those in conjunction with my teva-type sandals, which are usually my camp shoe also. My main priority is to learn to fly cast by the time spring comes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – sometimes i do backpack to flyfish.. hodgeman supplex waders orvis "pack and travel" boots they are both lightweight and pack small however i pack neither if i go very far..

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This question is for the anglers in this group. What waders and/or wading shoes do you take  backpacking?

I mostly fly fish streams in the Sierra. For this I take stocking foot hippers. Over these, I wear a pair of thin neoprene socks I got from Cabelas. I have reinforced the toes of the socks with Aqua Seal. For shoes with this combination, I wear a pair of Tevas, the kind that have Fastex buckle rather than Velcro fasteners, because the Velcro doesn’t hold reliably when it’s wet.  The Tevas dry quickly and are usable as a camp shoe. For the inevitable repairs, their is a product from Loon called Sun Patch. It’s like Aqua Seal except that it cures in seconds in strong sunlight rather than overnight. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (650)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971          

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This question is for the anglers in this group. What waders and/or wading shoes do you take  backpacking?

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When backpacking, the only waders I take are my bare legs with an old pair of Converse Chuck Taylor’s on my feet.  If I had to take waders, I’d bring the LL Bean Fly Weight waders. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This question is for the anglers in this group. What waders and/or wading shoes do you take  backpacking?

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You can carry whatever you want and have the strength to do so. Many fishermen do limited packing in the Eastern sierras. There are nice lakes a few miles off the nearest road and the only way to get there is to walk.  Its not like you have to walk a marathon. Just get away from the cars a few days.

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I too have struggled for a good answer to your question. I have decided that taking hip waders backpacking is more weight and bulk than I can stand.  I’m a backpacker that fishes occasionally rather than primarily a fisherman that backpacks mainly to get good fishing water. At one point, I simply used lightweight water shoes and braved the cold.  I often ended up walking on top of the rocks in the streams to keep from having cold numb feet.  This approach resulted in a slip and fall and a dislocated finger three days from the trailhead. Currently I use neoprene wet wading socks such as those that can be viewed at this link:  http://www.3riversresort.com/product.cfm?productID=187 paired with Merrell Shoreline Stretch Shoes which can be viewed at this link: http://www.altrec.com/shop/detail/12506/11.  These shoes are stretchy enough and adjustable enough that they can be worn without socks or with thick neoprene wading socks.  They work well as wading shoes.  They slip on and off quickly and work well for crossing water.  I use them for in-camp shoes and occasionally for short hikes (e.g. from camp to the fishing spot).  For me, they are the solution to question of what other shoe to bring backpacking other than my hiking boots. Bob Taylor

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This question is for the anglers in this group. What waders and/or wading shoes do you take  backpacking?

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Hi Doug, Thanks for the comment.  I kinda like the style.  It’s different!  ;) For power on mine, I’m going with the merCruiser 6cyl. diesel.  That will give me 225 HP at each prop.  I’m also going to use the Bravo 3 outdrive.

Hey Mark, help me out here.  Why are you choosing the Bravo 3 outdrive for a twin engine application?  What advantage is there as compared to any of the less expensive alternatives? Who builds that engine?  It sounds like a great engine for that application. Regards, Tom Brown

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                        *** big snip *** Shameless plug for MaxWeld boats … see thier site at: http://www.maxweldboats.com/ You’re getting a really cool boat…I love its looks. — Harry Krause

Thanks Harry.  I’m not too sure about the looks.  I kinda like the looks of a boat with a well appointed fly bridge better.  However, the boat *should* be really functional and they *are* extremely stable fishing platforms and that means a lot more to me than looks.  (besides the fact that they are "hell-built" for stout!) Still having trouble deciding on colors and a name for her.  The wife and I have decided (with a little coaching from the builder) to paint the cabin the same grey as the pictures show and we are going to go with a black back deck.  I thought something lighter, but Andy says that the black deck is a lot easier to maintain.  I personally think that when the sun shines on it the back deck is going to get awful warm!  Whatever we decide … No White in the work area!!  Makes my tired old eyes hurt!  ;) -mArk-  (who finds naming a boat harder than naming kids!  ;))

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Doug, Thanks for the comment.  I kinda like the style.  It’s different!  ;) For power on mine, I’m going with the merCruiser 6cyl. diesel.  That will give me 225 HP at each prop.  I’m also going to use the Bravo 3 outdrive. Andy will set them up with almost any type of power that you want.  The one he just finished building (basicly the same boat I’m getting) had twin Cummins with jet pumps type outdrives.  I don’t know if he has build one that is a true inboard yet, but he has been talking about it.  It’s just a matter of what the customer wants.  He’s *very* flexible. I looked at several different engines before I picked the merCruisers.  I had originally picked the Volvo 6cyl. diesel, but Andy told me that there had been quite a few warranty issues (new engines that needed work) and that Volvo had not been real good about honoring the warranty.  He said that having your new boat have to go in right away for engine work kind of soured the whole boat buying process and suggested that I go with the merCruiser for dependability sake. Andy worked out a deal with the merCruiser dealer to get the engines at the same price as those from Volvo.  They usually cost about $2000 an issue more. The Cummins engines are like $10k more.  Kinda outa my price range! -mArk-                          (not speaking for the company) Shameless plug for MaxWeld boats … see thier site at: http://www.maxweldboats.com/

You’re getting a really cool boat…I love its looks. — Harry Krause I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family. -GW Bush

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Wow-Cooool Cat ! What’s the power ? Do they offer inboards in a catamaran ? Doug Miller

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it. I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits. He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk-

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Hi Doug, Thanks for the comment.  I kinda like the style.  It’s different!  ;) For power on mine, I’m going with the merCruiser 6cyl. diesel.  That will give me 225 HP at each prop.  I’m also going to use the Bravo 3 outdrive. Hey Mark, help me out here.  Why are you choosing the Bravo 3 outdrive for a twin engine application?  What advantage is there as compared to any of the less expensive alternatives? Who builds that engine?  It sounds like a great engine for that application. Regards, Tom Brown

Hi Tom.  It’s another one of those hell-built-for-stout things that I’m so hung up on.  I want equiptment that won’t fail (or at least has less chance of failure) when I’m a hundred miles from shore.  There is also the fact that the twin props give you a little more umph.  Besides, Andy catagoricly refuses to use "cheap" stuff on his boats.  He only wants to use the best he can get in any given class.  The Bravo 3 is much stouter than any of the Alpha drives and actually has quite a few design improvements over the Bravo 1 & 2 outdrives. I believe Andy told me that the engine blocks actually come from Isuzu (sp?). All the bolt on stuff is Mercury specific.  I just hope these engines are as bullet proof (idiot proof??  ;)) as I’ve been led to believe.  I spent a lot of time researching both the merCruiser and the Volvo diesel offerings and they seemed pretty close.  Part of the decision was based on the builders recommondation (and I trust Andy a lot … known him for a lot of years!). -mArk-   (who beleives that down fishing time means lost revenue)

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Hi Doug, Thanks for the comment.  I kinda like the style.  It’s different!  ;) For power on mine, I’m going with the merCruiser 6cyl. diesel.  That will give me 225 HP at each prop.  I’m also going to use the Bravo 3 outdrive. Andy will set them up with almost any type of power that you want.  The one he just finished building (basicly the same boat I’m getting) had twin Cummins with jet pumps type outdrives.  I don’t know if he has build one that is a true inboard yet, but he has been talking about it.  It’s just a matter of what the customer wants.  He’s *very* flexible. I looked at several different engines before I picked the merCruisers.  I had originally picked the Volvo 6cyl. diesel, but Andy told me that there had been quite a few warranty issues (new engines that needed work) and that Volvo had not been real good about honoring the warranty.  He said that having your new boat have to go in right away for engine work kind of soured the whole boat buying process and suggested that I go with the merCruiser for dependability sake. Andy worked out a deal with the merCruiser dealer to get the engines at the same price as those from Volvo.  They usually cost about $2000 an issue more. The Cummins engines are like $10k more.  Kinda outa my price range! -mArk-                          (not speaking for the company) Shameless plug for MaxWeld boats … see thier site at: http://www.maxweldboats.com/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow-Cooool Cat ! What’s the power ? Do they offer inboards in a catamaran ? Doug Miller Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it. I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits. He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk-

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it.  I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits.  He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk- Sounds woodlike. What is she? — Harry Krause Naw … we’ve talked about this one a little before … it’s an aluminum Catamaran style hull with twin merCrusier 6cyl. diesels.  Pictures at: http://www.maxweldboats.com The picture on the first page is a 27′ version of what my boat is going to be.  You looked at this one once before and told me that you’d feel safe about going out to sea in a boat like that … -mArk-

You are correct. When you started discussing bulkheads and frame, I immediately thought of wood. — Harry Krause The students at Yale came from all different backgrounds and all parts of the country. Within months, I knew many of them. -GW Bush

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it.  I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits.  He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk- Sounds woodlike. What is she? — Harry Krause

Naw … we’ve talked about this one a little before … it’s an aluminum Catamaran style hull with twin merCrusier 6cyl. diesels.  Pictures at: http://www.maxweldboats.com The picture on the first page is a 27′ version of what my boat is going to be.  You looked at this one once before and told me that you’d feel safe about going out to sea in a boat like that … -mArk-

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it.  I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits.  He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk-

Sounds woodlike. What is she? — Harry Krause This case has had full analyzation and has been looked at a lot. I understand the emotionality of death penalty cases. Dubya Dense

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Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it.  I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits.  He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk-

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Best wishes to you and yours Frank Dave

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Frank Church writes:

(nice stuff snipped) Daisy, Guts and I wish you all a very Merry Xmas, and a wonderful New Year. Frank, Daisy and Guts the Cat Church

What?  No Church Mouse?   Thank you, Frank, and many Happy returns to you and your’s. Dave LaCourse

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That time of the year again folks, my how time flies when you’re having fun! Local paper says this is the coldest winter in these parts since 1989, and we’re about to equal snowfall records as well if this keeps up. My back deck is awash in snowbirds, finches, etc. foraging in the snow for the seeds that I throw out there, Guts has a ball watching them, her own private entertainment center, as it were.  A hump in the park on snowshoes is the order of the day, then to thumb thru well worn flyfishing magazines to decide what fly to tie for the upcoming 2001 swap. The choices are narrowed down when my ability to tie is taken into account. Without ROFF, this year, as in the past, would be diminished measurably.  I am grateful for the cyber-friends I have made, and most grateful for the ones I have had the privilege to meet in the few claves I have attended. Really looking forward to doing it again in 2001. What a great bunch of ruf…er….people! Daisy, Guts and I wish you all a very Merry Xmas, and a wonderful New Year. Frank, Daisy and Guts the Cat Church —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Got the class ring on?                 Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ouch. Get those gloves up higher, dammit! /daytripper

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). This rod is georgeous — I hate to sell it but need the money for a saltwater rod. Originally was $250, will sell for $190/best offer I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt.

I’ll certainly give you credit for persistence, Joe. OBROFF (whatever that means), I’m a fan of Penn and Fenwick graphite fly rods–I don’t hear much about them on this newsgroup, though. The Penn and Fenwick rods look extremely similar, so they much share manufacturing (just a guess). Anyway, one of my local fly shops sells them and I’ve found them on the Web. Because they’re in the $160-$180 price range I’m suprised they are not more attractive to folks who don’t want to spend $300 on a rod. They have a really nice finish and a medium action. YMMV, but I think they are a nice rod for the price. I own the 8′6" 4-piece 5wt–it was the first fly rod I purchased (Ok, not technically the first since I bought a Browning as a teenager to use for nymphing with a spinning reel). I like the rod action–but what the heck do I know. My only disappointment is that the ferrule fit on my rod (can’t speak for the model as a whole) isn’t the best and after a day of fishing one of the ferrules tends to work its way loose if I don’t check them every once in a while. I have another Penn rod 9′ 2-piece 4wt and a Fenwick 7′ 4wt 2-peice–neither of which has that problem. –Steve

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I’ll certainly give you credit for persistence, Joe. OBROFF (whatever that means), I’m a fan of Penn and Fenwick graphite fly rods–I don’t hear much about them on this newsgroup, though.

    i bought my youngest boy an 8′ penn last year as his first rod.  he loves it, although i find the action to be a little on the soft side.  the problem you experienced with your ferrules hasn’t appeared.     i might be interested in ol joe’s nine footer, except i am afraid that the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change… wayno

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Explode or die of boredom?             Frank Reid except i am afraid that – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change… wayno

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Explode or die of boredom?            Frank Reid except i am afraid that the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change…

He means when it falls off the top of his car due to the direction change (or was that Daytripper?) <g — Charlie…

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Explode or die of boredom?            Frank Reid except i am afraid that the high line speed developed by my astonishing casting prowess might just be too much for the poor thing; it might simply explode in the midst of a direction change… He means when it falls off the top of his car due to the direction change (or was that Daytripper?) <g

Ouch. Get those gloves up higher, dammit! /daytripper

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FORSALE –  Penn International 4-pc flyrod I have a beautiful, brand new Penn 4 piece flyrod that I want to sell. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $250 firm + shipping. I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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You might want to provide a model number with that fly rod and/or try your hand at eBay, since I’ve recently seen several brand new Penn Gold Medal 4-piece travel rods for sale at fly shops (on the Web and in my city) for less than $160. Steve Zimmerman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FORSALE –  Penn International 4-pc flyrod I have a beautiful, brand new Penn 4 piece flyrod that I want to sell. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $250 firm + shipping. I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino

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FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $225/best offer I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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Joe, I’m not trying to sabotage you; nor do I have a problem with an occasional FS post. But I do feel the need to point out that you can buy this rod brand new on the web for $189.95 retail. Check out: http://www.tackledirect.com/tackle/penngoldmedal.html –Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FORSALE –  Penn International Gold Medal model IMS 6690-4P Graphite 9′ 6wt. I bought it thinking I would be travelling alot, wanting a rod to take on the trips.   This never happened, so it’s totally unused. It’s a 9′0" 6wt rod, IMS graphite, top quality cork and hardware (beautiful wooden reel seat, silver-plated nickel reel hardware), complete with matching case (Burgandy colored cordura over PVC). Originally was $300+, will sell for $225/best offer I guarantee you’ll love it. Thanks, Joe Levantino Lucent Technologies, Bell Labs Holmdel, NJ 732-949-0664

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Is it okay to post items for sale (a rod) in this newsgroup ? Thanks in advance

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 Yup…as long as it’s a personal rod that you are selling.. — TimW Halfordian Golfer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Is it okay to post items for sale (a rod) in this newsgroup ? Thanks in advance

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I will be spending a week near Marquette / Pictured Rocks in July. 1. Is it worth lugging my fly gear? 2. Does anyone have a recommendation regarding good streams or rivers or any other place where the fish are Biting? 3. Any recommendations on local Fishing Shops? Thanks in advance. Lou L.

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The closest major trout river is the Escanaba River which is within striking distance of Marquette. I have not fished it but there is a detailed description in the book "Michigan Trout Streams" by Bob Linsenman and Steve Nevela (Backcountry Press; ISBN 0-88150-271-5). In the book they list Scott Lindquist, Lindquist’s Outdoor Sports, 131 West Washington, Marquette, MI 49855 (906) 932-4038. Hope this helps, and let me know how you do!

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Lou, There are a couple of fairly good trout rivers within the confines of Pictured Rocks.  I have not fished them myself, but I have watched others catch fish and have wanted to go back with my rod.  Try the Mosquito and Miner rivers, both below the falls.  Expect to catch some wild brokies. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be spending a week near Marquette / Pictured Rocks in July. 1. Is it worth lugging my fly gear? 2. Does anyone have a recommendation regarding good streams or rivers or any other place where the fish are Biting? 3. Any recommendations on local Fishing Shops? Thanks in advance. Lou L.

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On our recent trip to the Snake River (Oregon/Idaho border), we caught several small Crappies and took the little fillets off and used them for bait.  Needless to say, we ended up with about 100 fish between 3 and 4 pounds, which are excellent eating size.  The guts of crappie also work well.  Good luck!

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…. bought new Gambler, mama sez one of ‘em gotta go !!! Do like I did, let mama go.

Hmmmmmmm, Richard, I think you’ve got something there, buddy …. Let me think about this …. then I could probably keep both boats, my truck and afford a new truck also …… hmmmmmmm                        good fishing                          Jim

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: …. bought new Gambler, mama sez one of ‘em gotta go !!! :   : Do like I did, let mama go. : : : Hmmmmmmm, Richard, I think you’ve got something there, buddy …. Let me : think about this …. then I could probably keep both boats, my truck and : afford a new truck also …… hmmmmmmm Yep pretty much what I did. Now I have a 17.5 foot ProCraft and a new 20 foot Ranger. And a new suburban to pull it with. Course I still have my old 87 van to drive to work. Works for me. Good fishing, All About Computers      | (810) 456-3894 (work) 2887 Pontiac Ct.         | (810) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   | Single and not taking applications. 48326                    | Interviews maybe.

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Hmmmmmmm, Richard, I think you’ve got something there, buddy …. Let me think about this …. then I could probably keep both boats, my truck and afford a new truck also …… hmmmmmmm Yep pretty much what I did. Now I have a 17.5 foot ProCraft and a new 20foot Ranger. And a new suburban to pull it with. Course I still have my old 87 van to drive to work.

Exactly , I would have the 17′ tracker, 19′3" gambler, my 86 Ford F250 (200,000 miles and still going strong, FORD TUFF), then could get my new 97 F350 ….. with gun rack, new 30-30 or 30-06 or politically incorrect socalled "assault weapon" just to tick off the liberals … sounds like a plan, buddy ……                 see ya on the water  (Potomac, that is)                     Jim

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: 1995 Tracker Pro 17 with 25hp merc OB … Motor guide 37lb trolling motor : fully equipped with 2 humminbird Wide Eye fishfinders (bow and console : mounted) *** Trailstar trailer *** Excellent condition   $4500.00 : located in Spotsylvania, VA  fished on freshwater lakes and Potomac river : only …. bought new Gambler, mama sez one of ‘em gotta go !!! Do like I did, let mama go. Expensive at first but now I have two bass boats. Good fishing, All About Computers      | (810) 456-3894 (work) 2887 Pontiac Ct.         | (810) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   | Single and not taking applications. 48326                    | Interviews maybe.

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1995 Tracker Pro 17 with 25hp merc OB … Motor guide 37lb trolling motor fully equipped with 2 humminbird Wide Eye fishfinders (bow and console mounted) *** Trailstar trailer *** Excellent condition   $4500.00 located in Spotsylvania, VA  fished on freshwater lakes and Potomac river only …. bought new Gambler, mama sez one of ‘em gotta go !!!

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What bait is good for channel cats in medium sized lakes? I’ve only caught one once and it was by accident, in Florida, on a fly! Thanks for any help, Dave in Spokane, WA… known on IRC as "Dubbing"

In lieu of live bait or chicken livers, I’ve specifically seen channel cats take small crappie spinners, i.e. Roadrunners.  Also, small crankbaits work as well.  Not to mention plastic worms.  Now I’m not sure about other species of cats though. — **                           ** **   David Meyers **                           **

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Well, I’d just like to say something. Being from the same state, I can testify that Washington doesn’t allow live fish as bait.

That’s true here in Oklahoma, as well, at least if the fish is considered a "gamefish" species.  It doesn’t include minnows.  Also, nightcrawlers or earthworms work well for channel cats. If you can’t use live bait of any kind, that’s no problem.  Catfish love chicken livers and all sorts of prepared baits that are commercially available.  Dried beef blood also works well. Nor do they allow fishing with more than one rod.

That’s true only in some areas here.  If you can only use 1 rod, it makes it harder to try a variety of baits all at once.  You may be allowed to use multiple hooks on 1 line.  If so, this can help. You can’t even troll at different depths.

No problem here.  Although I have heard of people catching channel cats while trolling, they are not a fish one trolls for.  You find a good hole and sit on it. Stupid, I know, but that’s the way it is. Any other suggestions? I’m interested in catfish myself, and the only other type here is bullheads.

Does your state allow chumming?  That means throwing some kind of food into an area to attract the fish and stimulate feeding.  You can buy commercial catfish chum, or just buy a big bag of cheap dog food.  Throw some in an area before you start fishing.  You can also chum a spot every day at the same time for up to 2 weeks before you actually start fishing.  The cats will be there waiting for "feeding time" when you show up to catch ‘em.  Of course, this may not be legal in your state. Hope this helps.  Good luck and good fishing! Richard

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Well, I’d just like to say something. Being from the same state, I can testify that Washington doesn’t allow live fish as bait. Nor do they allow fishing with more than one rod. You can’t even troll at different depths. Stupid, I know, but that’s the way it is. Any other suggestions? I’m interested in catfish myself, and the only other type here is bullheads. Arklier Firsty is the best!

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What bait is good for channel cats in medium sized lakes? I’ve only caught one once and it was by accident, in Florida, on a fly! Thanks for any help, Dave in Spokane, WA… known on IRC as "Dubbing"

‘ ‘ I’ve recently just gotten into catching channel cats, there are a ton of commercial channel cat baits available, any of them will do. The "blood" baits work good also. Liver, shrimp, bacon strips(raw), will do also. I’ve read where channel cats would prefer to eat the fresher tasting meats if available. Here’s also a few "house baits" that I have seen proven to work when your pressed for time and money: Soap Cotton Balls soaked with anything stinky Marshmellows Hot Dog Chunks Lunch meats Onion Chunks – (weird eh?) Apple Chunks With cats just about anything with a scent will attract them! p.s. Don’t forget to "chum" them in with a bag of crunchy dog food!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: What bait is good for channel cats in medium sized lakes? I’ve only caught one once and it was by accident, in Florida, on a fly! Thanks for any help, Dave in Spokane, WA… known on IRC as "Dubbing" Channel cats will eat damned near anything.  I’ve caught them on minnows, worms (nightcrawlers), crawdads, chicken livers (& gizzards), and homemade stinkbait (not for the faint of heart .  I’ve seen my uncle catch them using possum grapes and mulberries, when these were ripe on the trees along the creek bank (matching the hatch .  There is also a wide variety of commercial baits available for channel cats. Which one of these will work best depends on the location and conditions. When I go catfish fishing, I try to take a variety of baits.  I use 3 rods and bait up with a little of everything.  If the fish show a preference for one type of bait, I switch to that one. I hope this helps.  Good luck and good fishing! Richard Had a catfish guide take me out on Lake Marion (Santee Cooper) S.

Carolina. They use live shad. I would think any small fish would do. They cut the tail off the fish so as to leave a blood trail as they drift. Check out the rig they use. Its a 6" section of parachute cord ( any armynavy store will have this). Fill it with split shot and seal it with a lighter. With a snap swivel and 3′ of line connect it to the bottom of a three way swivel, put your bait out on a 2′ leader. You can cover alot of ground and not a single hang up. Tight lines…..Alex

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What bait is good for channel cats in medium sized lakes? I’ve only caught one once and it was by accident, in Florida, on a fly! Thanks for any help, Dave in Spokane, WA… known on IRC as "Dubbing"

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What bait is good for channel cats in medium sized lakes? I’ve only caught one once and it was by accident, in Florida, on a fly! Thanks for any help, Dave in Spokane, WA… known on IRC as "Dubbing"

Channel cats will eat damned near anything.  I’ve caught them on minnows, worms (nightcrawlers), crawdads, chicken livers (& gizzards), and homemade stinkbait (not for the faint of heart .  I’ve seen my uncle catch them using possum grapes and mulberries, when these were ripe on the trees along the creek bank (matching the hatch .  There is also a wide variety of commercial baits available for channel cats. Which one of these will work best depends on the location and conditions. When I go catfish fishing, I try to take a variety of baits.  I use 3 rods and bait up with a little of everything.  If the fish show a preference for one type of bait, I switch to that one. I hope this helps.  Good luck and good fishing! Richard

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suggest attractor patterns as well as the standard hare’s ears, zug bugs, and hatch matches….like caddis in June.  I am suprised that you can get into the palisades area in early June.  Last year this was solid snow until August

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I have a customer who’s going to be in the High Sierra’s around Bishop, California, the last week in June. He’s interested in any fly-fishing opportunities there, particularly in the Alpine lakes and Pallisades Glacier areas. Any information on local shops, patterns, etc., would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Jim McKay Henry Weston Outfitters

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I know about danny’s flyfish list, but I have heard that there are both a UK flyfishing  and a europeen flyfishing list servers. does anyoone have the address for these lists thanks in advance Julian

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I know about danny’s flyfish list, but I have heard that there are both a UK flyfishing  and a europeen flyfishing list servers. does anyoone have the address for these lists thanks in advance Julian

The UK list is closed down thanks to football huligans! Yeah, It’s true, the had a forum on the same listserv and it got overloaded, so they closed all mailing lists……. But, you can subscribe to EUR-FLYFISH at: Good luck Thorsten

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: The UK list is closed down thanks to football huligans! : Yeah, It’s true, the had a forum on the same listserv and it got : overloaded, so they closed all mailing lists……. : But, you can subscribe to EUR-FLYFISH at: Actually, the European list *is* the UK one. As Thorsten noted, Steve Hogg, who set up the list at the U of Newcastle, had to shut it down when the University terminated all non-academic lists (on a couple of hours notice). The same day, it was picked up by Henk Verhaar at the U of Utrecht. The only hitch was that, due to the extremely short notice, it was not possible to transfer directly the list of subscribers; members had to re-subscribe to the Utrecht list. It’s a good list, but volumes are low. In contrast to the FLYFISH list at UKy, where 75-200 messages a day are the norm, EUR-FLYFISH can go for a few days with no traffic at all. 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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anyone have current conditions on knights ferry area of stanislaus thanks in advance

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Hey Ken , are you out there…? You should try Ken Lindsay at flyfishing online.  He will surely be able to help you out. I can’t find his address or # right now but he should be listed. Cheers — gp

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(Carlton Fung) writes: anyone have current conditions on knights ferry area of stanislaus thanks in advance

Yes,  it’s closed right now.  Opens back up the first of the year.  That section of the river is closed between Oct. 15th and Jan. 1st each year to allow the salmon to make their spawning run.  I believe the upper part of the Stan around Big Trees is still open, but you need to check the reg’s to be sure.

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check the regs – I believe the Stanislaus is closed until the end of the   year for the salmon to spawn.         gr

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I beleive the upper part of the Stan closes November 15.–Crashjibe

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Will be in L.A. last two weeks in January.  Would greatly appreciate any and all information and recommendations on good fishing within a one day range of LA. city limits

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writes: Will be in L.A. last two weeks in January.  Would greatly appreciate any and all information and recommendations on good fishing within a one day range of LA. city limits

Ocean or freshwater. Fly fishing only?

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