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Salmon River 2003?

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i-81, north of syracuse, turn right… hmmm, sounds like another snipe hunt… but, after participating in a few hundred of them, i’m still tryin to get the hang of it. so, pencil me in. jeff (more simpler) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’ve never fished naw yuk… so, plug me in as a definite maybe… but 2 days might not be ’nuff. …um, how do you get to allmur? It couldn’t be more simple. If’n you can get to I-81 anywhere between Tennessee & New York, you’ve got it licked. If you’re starting out in the I-95 corridor, pick the east/west interstate of your choice. Once you’re on I-81, stay on it until about 35 miles north of Syracure and turn right. At that point, you’re as good as there. Joe F.

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you got a cah? …i got a truk. …but, if a truk will do, where is altmar? jeff Find Lake Ontario on a map of NY. Can’t miss it. Look for the big blue thing in the upper left.

FYI. I think that this year was one of the best I have had in many years, I spent a total of about 4-5 weeks on and off, fishing there. I have been fishing the Salmon River for over 18 years. The Salmon run started the first week in September, and my last trip finished up Sunday November 10th. To my amazement the Kings were still running into the river, and I found that most were still in excellent shape. Finished up the last day with a catch of 3 browns, ranging between 7-10lbs., one Steelhead rather small and several Kings. All were released. Arty PS, only broke one fly rod this season. Art(Arty)Santella

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Unbelievably, it’s time to start considering whether or not you’re interested in a repeat (and hopefully, an improvement) on the 2002 Salmon River mini-clave. In 2003, we will not be staying at Malinda’s, only because she is already booked up for every weekend through October 19 (as is the Portly Angler and Whitaker’s). Rather than push the dates back and risk missing too much of the prime run, Craig & I have found another lodge that promises better accommodations than Malinda’s (I know, "How is that possible?" you ask.) and that actually has rooms available for the earlier weekend. So – if you are thinking you might want to book a room at clave central next year, October 16-19, 2003, email me & I’ll give you the location. Or, if there’s enough tentative interest at this early date, I’ll just book a second (or third?) room as I did last year. Joe F.

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So – if you are thinking you might want to book a room at clave central next year, October 16-19, 2003, email me & I’ll give you the location. Or, if there’s enough tentative interest at this early date, I’ll just book a second (or third?) room as I did last year.

FYI: I’ve received enough "maybes" that I went ahead and booked a 4-person efficiency at the "Fish Inn Post" (www.fishinnpost.com) in Altmar, NY for the nights of 10/16/03 through 10/18/03. I will put down the deposit & hold this room for potential miniclavers. I have never been to this lodge & can’t attest to anything about it, but how bad could it be, eh? That ought to cover it until next summer, I’d expect. We’ll talk then. Joe F. p.s. If anyone would like a recommendation for a good guide, I’d recommend Pat Miura (http://members.aol.com/pmiura/index.html). I know he’s booked for Saturday, 10/18, but it’s not too early if you want to grab a different day.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So – if you are thinking you might want to book a room at clave central next year, October 16-19, 2003, email me & I’ll give you the location. Or, if there’s enough tentative interest at this early date, I’ll just book a second (or third?) room as I did last year. FYI: I’ve received enough "maybes" that I went ahead and booked a 4-person efficiency at the "Fish Inn Post" (www.fishinnpost.com) in Altmar, NY for the nights of 10/16/03 through 10/18/03. I will put down the deposit & hold this room for potential miniclavers. I have never been to this lodge & can’t attest to anything about it, but how bad could it be, eh? That ought to cover it until next summer, I’d expect. We’ll talk then. Joe F. p.s. If anyone would like a recommendation for a good guide, I’d recommend Pat Miura (http://members.aol.com/pmiura/index.html). I know he’s booked for Saturday, 10/18, but it’s not too early if you want to grab a different day.

I’ve stayed here a fw times and it’s a step up from Malinda’s. Paul

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i’ve never fished naw yuk… so, plug me in as a definite maybe… but 2 days might not be ’nuff. …um, how do you get to allmur? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FYI: I’ve received enough "maybes" that I went ahead and booked a 4-person efficiency at the "Fish Inn Post" (www.fishinnpost.com) in Altmar, NY for the nights of 10/16/03 through 10/18/03. I will put down the deposit & hold this room for potential miniclavers. I have never been to this lodge & can’t attest to anything about it, but how bad could it be, eh?

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i’ve never fished naw yuk… so, plug me in as a definite maybe… but 2 days might not be ’nuff. …um, how do you get to allmur?

cah

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you got a cah? …i got a truk. …but, if a truk will do, where is altmar? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’ve never fished naw yuk… so, plug me in as a definite maybe… but 2 days might not be ’nuff. …um, how do you get to allmur? cah

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you got a cah? …i got a truk. …but, if a truk will do, where is altmar? jeff

Find Lake Ontario on a map of NY. Can’t miss it. Look for the big blue thing in the upper left. Altmar is about 10 miles east of the lake and about 5 miles east of Pulaski. Paul

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i’ve never fished naw yuk… so, plug me in as a definite maybe… but 2 days might not be ’nuff. …um, how do you get to allmur?

It couldn’t be more simple. If’n you can get to I-81 anywhere between Tennessee & New York, you’ve got it licked. If you’re starting out in the I-95 corridor, pick the east/west interstate of your choice. Once you’re on I-81, stay on it until about 35 miles north of Syracure and turn right. At that point, you’re as good as there. Joe F.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Pike Leader

Pike Leader

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The big question is, Why use mono on pike?

For one thing, a level mono leader is about as simple as you can get. Also, mono is somewhat less visible than wire, which may be advantageous under *some* conditions (though pike, as a rule, aren’t exactly leader shy). Some proponents of mono say that it allows the fly better action in the water than wire. Mono also doesn’t kink like wire can. Big pike can thrash and roll enough to render wire a kinked, weakened mess in short order. On the other hand, wire has its advantages. 100% bite-proof, and cuts through weeds better than mono. Short wire shockers can aleviate the kinking issue to a degree. Each leader system has its merits, and the fishing situation is going to dictate which system is better at that time. I’ve got nothing against wire, and am *not* wed to level hard mono leaders either. I’ll rig up with whichever type of leader system I feel I need for the water, the size of fish expected, etc. P.S. I can see that if all your fish are 12-20 inches long, 20# mono is probably a 90% reliable connection. Why settle for 90% when 100% is easy? Why just expect to loose that occasional big fish?

Reynolds and Berryman in "Pike on the Fly" state that 25# *hard* mono level leaders served them in Canada to the tune of 400+ pike caught and released with ~4 bite-offs. That would imply an overall failure rate of about 1%, and I rather suspect that out of 400+ Canadian fish there were more than a few bigger than 12-20" "hammer handles". Yeah, the possibility exists to lose a big fish using a mono leader. Why would one use one then? Perhaps the same reason one would rig up with a 7x or 8x tippet for trout — they won’t take on a more visible leader. Are your odds of breaking off in that situation higher? You bet! Gotta go with what works for the particular situation. Todd

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The big question is, Why use mono on pike? For one thing, a level mono leader is about as simple as you can get. Also, mono is somewhat less visible than wire, which may be advantageous under *some* conditions (though pike, as a rule, aren’t exactly leader shy). Some proponents of mono say that it allows the fly better action in the water than wire. Mono also doesn’t kink like wire can. Big pike can thrash and roll enough to render wire a kinked, weakened mess in short order.

Solid wire doesn’t have any of the shortcomings except possibly visibility. Do you have any experience with fish refusing a more visible leader and then taking the less visible leader? I’ve heard of this and seen it with other fish, but not with pike. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On the other hand, wire has its advantages. 100% bite-proof, and cuts through weeds better than mono. Short wire shockers can aleviate the kinking issue to a degree. Each leader system has its merits, and the fishing situation is going to dictate which system is better at that time. I’ve got nothing against wire, and am *not* wed to level hard mono leaders either. I’ll rig up with whichever type of leader system I feel I need for the water, the size of fish expected, etc. P.S. I can see that if all your fish are 12-20 inches long, 20# mono is probably a 90% reliable connection. Why settle for 90% when 100% is easy? Why just expect to loose that occasional big fish? Reynolds and Berryman in "Pike on the Fly" state that 25# *hard* mono level leaders served them in Canada to the tune of 400+ pike caught and released with ~4 bite-offs. That would imply an overall failure rate of about 1%, and I rather suspect that out of 400+ Canadian fish there were more than a few bigger than 12-20" "hammer handles".

Surely they caught some big ones on the mono. It was after reading their book that I tried 30# hard mason on Great Slave Lake. I found the material was OK for 3 to 5 fish before I needed to retie. I caught a 24 1/2 pounder on that leader, though the leader was only about 5# strength after we released the fish. I also had a 5# fish bite me off clean on a fresh leader. After about 4 bite offs on about 40 fish I went back to wire. Yeah, the possibility exists to lose a big fish using a mono leader. Why would one use one then? Perhaps the same reason one would rig up with a 7x or 8x tippet for trout — they won’t take on a more visible leader. Are your odds of breaking off in that situation higher? You bet! Gotta go with what works for the particular situation.

Again, there’s a lot of experience out there that relates to selective and leader shy trout. Do you know of any such behavior in pike? I think the book on selective pike is as short as the one on German humor. Thanks, Chas

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So, how many fish have you landed on a 20-30# mono leader without retying between fish? How big is the typical pike in the waters you fish? What sort of flies do you use (hook size, fly length?) I ask because I’ve had no success at all with mono leaders. I hear lots of people claim that mono is fine, so I’m looking for the difference that makes mono work for others. I must be missing a trick here somewhere. Thanks Chas

Must agree. I have never had any luck with mono leaders. Just a lot of bite offs. On the few occasions they have worked, it was necessary to replace them after every fish. No big deal, as mono is cheap enough, but a nuisance, and they are still unreliable. I use kevlar leaders. ( Unfortunately I have not been able to obtain any for a while, but I have a good supply). The "Kevsteel" leaders ( which is kevlar either braided with, or over, multi-strand wire) are available here; http://www.anglersupplyhouse.com/moser.html More info here; http://globalflyfisher.com/staff/verhaar/pike/tippets.php http://www.euro-fly.com/French_dossier/68_fils_pour_bas_de_ligne/e68_… materials.htm http://www.euro-fly.com/French_dossier/67_bas_de_ligne/e67_leaders.htm A couple of guys I know are using this; http://www.anglinguk.net/hostV4/Swiftys/Swiftys_Line_36.html And reckon it is good. TL MC

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I believe that you carry Bad Mono Karma around with you, Chas. I had three bite-offs in one afternoon when I fished with you, and I reluctantly tied on some wire. That’s about as many bite-offs as I have had in the previous five years. Kevin

Dad Mono Karma? Seems to me the mono leaders go nuclear for me, maybe it’s MonoNuclearPisces or some such disease? Chas

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…snip… I use kevlar leaders. ( Unfortunately I have not been able to obtain any for a while, but I have a good supply). The "Kevsteel" leaders ( which is kevlar either braided with, or over, multi-strand wire) are available here; http://www.anglersupplyhouse.com/moser.html

These would have the same kinking problems that other multi-strand wire has. More info here; http://globalflyfisher.com/staff/verhaar/pike/tippets.php

A great article. He says the kevlar leaders kink, I presume he’s talking abput the steel/kevlar, not pure kevlar. I’m 100% with him about the single strand wire. I do like the haywire twist better than his loop because the haywire loop won’t collapse under tension. http://www.euro-fly.com/French_dossier/68_fils_pour_bas_de_ligne/e68_… materials.htm

Has kevlar/steel, but no poure kevlar. http://www.euro-fly.com/French_dossier/67_bas_de_ligne/e67_leaders.htm

pretied tapered kevlar/steel leaders, no pure kevlar. A couple of guys I know are using this; http://www.anglinguk.net/hostV4/Swiftys/Swiftys_Line_36.html And reckon it is good.

This is a spectra fiber. The second fish I had hit on one of these leaders demolished it before he came back down to the water. That was 6 strands of 20# spectra braided together to make 120# strength. He sawed through it about two inches above the fly. I retired the rest of the leaders I’d braided right then. Thanks Mike, Chas

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<SNIP A couple of guys I know are using this; http://www.anglinguk.net/hostV4/Swiftys/Swiftys_Line_36.html And reckon it is good. This is a spectra fiber. The second fish I had hit on one of these leaders demolished it before he came back down to the water. That was 6 strands of 20# spectra braided together to make 120# strength. He sawed through it about two inches above the fly. I retired the rest of the leaders I’d braided right then.

I have not yet tried it. I still have plenty of the kevlar leaders. I am keeping an eye out for alternatives though, as they will not last forever. As I said, I use the pure Kevlar leaders I was given quite a while ago. They don

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Goodbye, fair newsgroup…I knew you well…

Goodbye, fair newsgroup…I knew you well…

Question:

Come to think of it, did Medina EVER contribute anything constructive to this newsgroup? I guess if you count this petty whine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, That’s enough for me… …I came back about three weeks ago because I missed the information being provided and the chance to share ideas about ff’ing….now, I’m sick of all the bitching and George bashing and all….personally, I think those of you that are "tired of Mr.G" should just ignore his posts rather than reading them, disecting them and then responding to him and baiting him further…. If at any time in the near future the NG gets back to the subject R.O.F.F…. would someone let me know? Larry

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Just curious, where are you writing from because your emails were dated 3/12 and the times were 1:17AM and 1:23AM? Shouldn’t that put you about two or three time zones into the Atlantic Ocean?

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Just curious, where are you writing from because your 2 emails were dated 3/12 and the times were 1:17AM and 1:23AM? Shouldn’t that put you about two or three time zones east of the eastern seaboard and into the Atlantic Ocean?

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I agree! I regret that the NG has strayed so far afield. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, That’s enough for me… …I came back about three weeks ago because I missed the information being provided and the chance to share ideas about ff’ing….now, I’m sick of all the bitching and George bashing and all….personally, I think those of you that are "tired of Mr.G" should just ignore his posts rather than reading them, disecting them and then responding to him and baiting him further…. If at any time in the near future the NG gets back to the subject R.O.F.F…. would someone let me know? Larry

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W Hart wrote Come to think of it, did Medina EVER contribute anything constructive to this newsgroup? …

If so, none are memorable. However, we have recently lost Mike Connor, one of the more interesting contributors in the last year, and part of the reason we have lost him is because of the turn the group has taken lately. Mr. G contributes but he also detracts, kind of a zero-sum contribution if you ask me. Still, by ignoring any post with ‘bastard’ in the subject, I pretty much get to avoid his spam and just see his positive contributions and occasional political rants … which are laughable and obviously not to be taken seriously. But…I wish we hadn’t lost Mike. — -dnc-

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W Hart wrote Come to think of it, did Medina EVER contribute anything constructive to this newsgroup? … If so, none are memorable. However, we have recently lost Mike Connor, one of the more interesting contributors in the last year, and part of the reason we have lost him is because of the turn the group has taken lately. Mr. G contributes but he also detracts, kind of a zero-sum contribution if you ask me. Still, by ignoring any post with ‘bastard’ in the subject, I pretty much get to avoid his spam and just see his positive contributions and occasional political rants … which are laughable and obviously not to be taken seriously. But…I wish we hadn’t lost Mike.

Agreed HM

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Come to think of it, did Medina EVER contribute anything constructive to this newsgroup? I guess if you count this petty whine.

Namesake: The fact that Mr. Medina browsed the newsgroup means he contributed something constructive. If this group is like many others, many more folks browse vs post. While I’m sure that some bright techno internet fluent person could tell us that probably 90% of the post come from maybe 25 people. Sometimes the hardest lesson for us to learn to listen first, then post. Wayne Knight Geneva IL

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Well, That’s enough for me… …I came back about three weeks ago because I missed the information being provided and the chance to share ideas about ff’ing….now, I’m sick of all the bitching and George bashing and all….personally, I think those of you that are "tired of Mr.G" should just ignore his posts rather than reading them, disecting them and then responding to him and baiting him further….

Geez. It’s obvious that Mr. G thrives on all of the attention. The best thing that the anti-G forces could do is ignore him. It would also serve the desires of the pros. Personally I like the guy, but I understand why he infuriates many. But Mr. G seems to believe that any publicity is good publicity. Michael

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Is it just me, or is he not taking his own advice? Hypocracy shining like a lighthouse here. He is leaving the group because he is sick of reading people’s (including mine) PHEWING, YET his advice to people is, "they should just ignore his posts rather than reading them" Larry, if you don’t want to ignore the PHEWING posts, because they ruin the group for you to the point of leaving, how can you suggest that we should just ignore SPAMboo posts which are ruining the group for us? Come back soon Larry, become a part of the solution of making this group more flyfishing related. Matt Blickensderfer * A Grouchy German is a Sour Kraut! *

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well, That’s enough for me… …I came back about three weeks ago because I missed the information being provided and the chance to share ideas about ff’ing….now, I’m sick of all the bitching and George bashing and all….personally, I think those of you that are "tired of Mr.G" should just ignore his posts rather than reading them, disecting them and then responding to him and baiting him further…. If at any time in the near future the NG gets back to the subject R.O.F.F…. would someone let me know? Larry

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The best thing that the anti-G forces could do is ignore him. It would also serve the desires of the pros.

That’s good. What we’ve got here are two opposing forces, the Positive G’s and the Negative G’s. — Jeff Cook Washington DC area http://www.cookstudios.com

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The best thing that the anti-G[ehrke] forces could do is ignore him. It would also serve the desires of the pros. That’s good. What we’ve got here are two opposing forces, the Positive G’s and the Negative G’s.

By Jove, I think he’s got it! But more likely than not we’re all getting sucked into this giant G-Hole. (hah! the subject heading made you look, you licentious ne’er do wells) In other minor news, I tied up some saltwater streamers for a buddy in Boston and then wondered how I could send them to him. Found that one of those floppy disk cases (that holds 4-5 disks) makes a perfect reusable mailing case. I had a couple of these lying around from back in the days when floppies were more common. Mu Young Lee Ann Arbor, MI USA

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The best thing that the anti-G forces could do is ignore him. It would also serve the desires of the pros. That’s good. What we’ve got here are two opposing forces, the Positive G’s and the Negative G’s. — Jeff Cook Washington DC area http://www.cookstudios.com

Hmmmmm If you algebraically add the positive G and the negative G does that mean that that there’s no G spot? Jheez, this could be serious. — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I- I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. Robert Frost (1874-1963)

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I guess in the greater scheme we can consider each presence adds to us in its existence or diminishes us in its loss. Certainly lurkers and the most worthwhile sport of lurking has many advantages. We certainly do not want to discourage lurkers for there-in lies the untapped gold. However, a whine is a far cry from a lurk. And, Dear Wayne, there will be no Whine before its time! Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Namesake: The fact that Mr. Medina browsed the newsgroup means he contributed something constructive. If this group is like many others, many more folks browse vs post. While I’m sure that some bright techno internet fluent person could tell us that probably 90% of the post come from maybe 25 people. Sometimes the hardest lesson for us to learn to listen first, then post. Wayne Knight Geneva IL

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, That’s enough for me… …I came back about three weeks ago because I missed the information being provided and the chance to share ideas about ff’ing….now, I’m sick of all the bitching and George bashing and all….personally, I think those of you that are "tired of Mr.G" should just ignore his posts rather than reading them, disecting them and then responding to him and baiting him further…. Geez. It’s obvious that Mr. G thrives on all of the attention. The best thing that the anti-G forces could do is ignore him. It would also serve the desires of the pros. Personally I like the guy, but I understand why he infuriates many. But Mr. G seems to believe that any publicity is good publicity. Michael

_______ wrong. Mr. G. — Visit: http://www.gink.com

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Amazing! You don’t like it yet you keep reading it over, and over, and over. If you want just the information you specifically wish to see I suggest you set down, write yourself several hundred extremely boorish e-mails and send them to yourself over a period of several months. Better yet, go out and buy a Fly Fishing magazine! Everything you ever wanted to know, and all the knowledge in the world for just a few schekles, or are you too cheap to spring for the ‘zine. You want information? Go buy an encyclopedia. You want knowledge and experience not found in writing anywhere else? Naw, you don’t want to read anything not specifically tailored to your personal wants and desires. I sure hope your wife doesn’t bore you one evening! Come again when you can stay longer! Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I agree! I regret that the NG has strayed so far afield. Jim Well, That’s enough for me… …I came back about three weeks ago because I missed the information being provided and the chance to share ideas about ff’ing….now, I’m sick of all the bitching and George bashing and all….personally, I think those of you that are "tired of Mr.G" should just ignore his posts rather than reading them, disecting them and then responding to him and baiting him further…. If at any time in the near future the NG gets back to the subject R.O.F.F…. would someone let me know? Larry

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______ Brings back memories of my fighter pilot days. very funny Jeff. Neutral G. — Visit: http://www.gink.com

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Similarly, I came back to see what progress was being made with the ‘Bastards’ and hopefully to find a little more civility. Not to be. What I found is the S.O.S.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Flies for Bonefish??

Flies for Bonefish??

Question:

Get Dick Brown’s book "Bonefish Fly Patterns". It will be a great help to you. Good Luck!

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Hello all, can anyone suggest the flies I should use while fishing for Bonefish in the Carribbean in late June?? (Esp. the easiest ones to tie) Thanks in advance. Eric Meier

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Hello all, can anyone suggest the flies I should use while fishing for Bonefish in the Carribbean in late June?? (Esp. the easiest ones to tie) Thanks in advance. Eric Meier

Crazy Charlies are the most popular and simple patterns. I would tie pearl, gold, root beer, olive and pink. Use size mostly #4/6 in Mustad 3407 or 34007 hooks. Use #6/8 in Tiemco 800S or 811S hooks as they run a little bigger than Mustad. No eyes for Turtle grass bottoms. Bead chain eyes on some and chrome lead eyes on others for deeper sand bottoms or tide currents. Try to get a guide. You can call me at 800/4000FLY. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Carp on the fly

Carp on the fly

Question:

It’s walming up over hear in holland and I am itching to have a go and flyfishing for carp. Is there any on out ther that can provide me thith a fiew tips, tactics, and carp dedicated patterns etc. Julian Young PS. is is also posible to catch walleye on the fly ?

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walleye? maybe using a minnow pattern — if you’re fishing where the wally’s are chasing bait fish. carp? try wolly buggers and other leach patterns soaked in garlic juice, vanilla, or peppermint.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » WARNING!!!

WARNING!!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ryan(& rec.outdoors.fishing.fly), Note: This was a hoax a year ago and still is. You can not introduce a virus into your system by reading a Usenet message. For DOS it must be an executable file and must in fact be opened. Never rally thought about these things propagating over and over as new folks come online. Urban Myths have now become Cyber Myths. I have no intent to waste bandwidth but I felt I neeed to post this as well as contact Ryan directly. regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

Joe, your statement is not altogether true. Do you remember a few years ago of a virus spreading on a UNIX machines across the Internet ? As I recall the virus was spread in a ‘mail’ message and took advantage of an application bug which utilized gets to read the input. Understanding how stack frames are built and their relationship to buffers of automatic scope, it is easy to see how this was done. My apologies to the readers for deviating from FF’ing ! -Dan-

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Hi Group, A friend just advised me that a new virus is on the net which is supposed to have come from someone on AOL. If you receive e-mail titled "Good Times" DELETE it immediately. DO NOT read it. If you do, your hard drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor. It’s frustrating to have people out there doing this kind of stuff but at least we’ve been warned. Good Luck and don’t read Good Times Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT

The Goot Times Virus is a hoax. You can only get a virus if you download an executable file and run it. You won’t contract a virus by simply viewing e-mail

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This Good Times crap is just that-Pure BS. You cannot get any kind of virus through an email message. —

"A Bad Day Fishing Is Better Than A Good Day At Work" Web Page: http://www.tiac.net/users/macaw

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A friend just advised me that a new virus is on the net which is supposed to have come from someone on AOL. If you receive e-mail titled "Good Times" DELETE it immediately. DO NOT read it. If you do, your hard drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor.

It’s a little known fact, but you can counter the effects of the "Good Times" virus by mailing a get well card to Craig Shergold. Be sure to include the recipe for Nieman-Marcus Toll House Cookies. Mike Rophone I never gave a fuck about the ‘net until I met Senator Exon

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This is a well known hoax. Here’s some additional info for the curious. -Dave email virus is a hoax! If anyone repeats the hoax, please show them the FAQ. G o o d T i m e s V i r u s H o a x F r e q u e n t l y A s k e d Q u e s t i o n s by Les Jones Febraury 6, 1996 This information may be freely reproduced in any medium, as long as the information is unmodified. February 6, 1995 Update The Good Times virus hoax keeps on going. I receive almost daily reports of hoax activity. I’m reposting the FAQ to relevant newsgroups, and I’ve set up my own web pages: http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/goodtimes-faq.html http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/goodtimes-mini-faq.html http://users.aol.com/macfaq/goodtimes-faq.html http://users.aol.com/macfaq/goodtimes-mini-faq.html The FAQ has been updated with current URLs and a new section discussing the Word macro virus. A call to educators and translators If you teach classes or write books about the Internet, I encourage to educate people about Good Times. The Good Times myth is not going away anytime soon, so we should start including it in Internet curriculum now. The FAQ is free for redistribution in any medium, so feel free to integrate it into any class materials or published works. Good Times has spread to many countries, and has been translated into many languages. If you are bilingual, you can help debunk Good Times by translating the FAQ into another language. If you do translate the FAQ, please let me know the URL so I can include it in the FAQ. Is the Good Times email virus a hoax? Yes. It was a hoax in November of 1994, and it’s still a hoax in February of 1996. America Online, government computer security agencies, and makers of anti-virus software have declared Good Times a hoax. See Online References at the end of the FAQ. Since the hoax began in November of 1994, no copy of the alleged virus has ever been found, nor has there been a single verified case of a viral attack. Why should I believe the FAQ instead of the hoax? Unlike the warnings that have been passed around, the FAQ is signed and dated. I’ve included my email address, and the email addresses of contributors, for verification. I’ve also provided online references at the end of the FAQ so that you can confirm this information for yourself. I’m new to the Internet. What is the Good Times virus hoax? The story is that a virus called Good Times is being carried by email. Just reading a message with "Good Times" in the subject line will erase your hard drive, or even destroy your computer’s processor. Needless to say, it’s a hoax, but a lot of people believed it. The original message ended with instructions to "Forward this to all your friends," and many people did just that. Warnings about Good Times have been widely distributed on mailing lists, Usenet newsgroups, and message boards. The original hoax started in early December of 1994. It sprang up again in March of 1995. In mid-April, a new version of the hoax that mentioned a FCC report began circulating. Worried that Good Times would never go away, I decided to write the FAQ. These worries proved valid when the hoax began popping up again in October of 1995. What is the effect of the hoax? For those who already know it’s a hoax, it’s a nuisance to read the repeated warnings. For people who don’t know any better, it causes needless concern and lost productivity. The virus hoax infects mailing lists, bulletin boards, and Usenet newsgroups. Worried system administrators needlessly worry their employees by posting dire warnings. The hoax is not limited to the United States. It has appeared in several English-speaking and non-English-speaking countries. One reader sent me an English transcription of a radio broadcast in Malta. ‘infection’ I came across all tended to result from the message getting into the hands of senior non-computing personnel. Those with the ability and authority to spread it widely, without the knowledge to spot its nonsensical content." Some of the companies that have reportedly fallen for the hoax include AT&T, CitiBank, NBC, Hughes Aircraft, Microsoft, Texas Instruments, and dozens or hundreds of others. There have been outbreaks at numerous colleges. The U.S. government has not been immune. Some of the government agencies that have reportedly fallen victim to the hoax include the Department of Defense, the FCC, NASA, the USDA, U.S. Census Bureau, and various national labs. I’ve confirmed outbreaks at the Department of Health and Human Services, though they had the good sense to question the hoax, and ask for more information on Usenet, before passing the hoax along to their employees. The virus hoax has occasionally escaped into the popular media. Tom Sullivan show on KFBK 1530 AM radio in Sacramento, California, a police officer warned listeners not to read email labeled "Good Times", and to report the sender to the police. Other radio stations, including Australia’s ABC radio, have also spread the hoax. There are scattered reports of the virus spreading via Faxnet, that low-tech network of secretaries and bored knowledge workers that traffics in cartoons and dumb blonde jokes. What was the CIAC bulletin? On December 6, 1994, the U.S. Department of Energy’s CIAC (Computer Incident Advisory Capability) issued a bulletin declaring the Good Times virus a hoax and an urban legend. The bulletin was widely quoted as an antidote to the hoax. The original document can be found at the address in Online References at the end of the FAQ. Note that the document went through several minor revisions, with 94-04c of December 8 being the most recent. Like all quoted material in the FAQ, it includes the original spelling and punctuation. Because some of the lines in the CIAC report are rather long, they will appear broken. —-Begin quoted material—- THE "Good Times" VIRUS IS AN URBAN LEGEND In the early part of December, CIAC started to receive information requests about a supposed "virus" which could be contracted via America OnLine, simply by reading a message. | Here is some important information. Beware of a file called Goodtimes. | | | | Happy Chanukah everyone, and be careful out there. There is a virus on | | America Online being sent by E-Mail. If you get anything called "Good | | Times", DON’T read it or download it. It is a virus that will erase your | | hard drive. Forward this to all your friends. It may help them a lot. | THIS IS A HOAX. Upon investigation, CIAC has determined that this message originated from both a user of America Online and a student at a university at approximately the same time, and it was meant to be a hoax. CIAC has also seen other variations of this hoax, the main one is that any electronic mail message with the subject line of "xxx-1" will infect your computer. This rumor has been spreading very widely. This spread is due mainly to the fact that many people have seen a message with "Good Times" in the header. They delete the message without reading it, thus believing that they have saved themselves from being attacked. These first-hand reports give a false sense of credibility to the alert message. There has been one confirmation of a person who received a message with "xxx-1" in the header, but an empty message body. Then, (in a panic, because he had heard the alert), he checked his PC for viruses (the first time he checked his machine in months) and found a pre-existing virus on his machine. He incorrectly came to the conclusion that the E-mail message gave him the virus (this particular virus could NOT POSSIBLY have spread via an E-mail message). This person then spread his alert. As of this date, there are no known viruses which can infect merely through reading a mail message. For a virus to spread some program must be executed. Reading a mail message does not execute the mail message. Yes, Trojans have been found as executable attachments to mail messages, the most notorious being the IBM VM Christmas Card Trojan of 1987, also the TERM MODULE Worm (reference CIAC Bulletin B-7) and the GAME2 MODULE Worm (CIAC Bulletin B-12). But this is not the case for this particular "virus" alert. If you encounter this message being distributed on any mailing lists, simply ignore it or send a follow-up message stating that this is a false rumor. Karyn Pichnarczyk CIAC Team —-End quoted material—- Note: Karyn is now with Cisco. Her new email address is The CIAC report was wrong when it stated that the hoax was started by "a user of America Online and a student at a university." See "Who started the hoax." What’s the first version of the warning (FYI)? I have an early version of the hoax … read more »

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drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor.

A virus cannot damage your processor. It’s frustrating to have people out there doing this kind of stuff but at least we’ve been warned.

Agreed Tight lines, Jay Whitworth

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Regarding the good times virus: I just received an FYI forwarded through the university admin here at MSU-Bozeman, stating that the GOOD TIMES virus is a farce. Evidently, warnings about it were posted from an AOL user who was intentionally crying wolf. But, before that, I received a warning notice about the virus. My latest info says its a fake, but I’ve heard both sides. Anyone know the TRUTH about GOOD TIMES? Better safe than sorry till then, don’t read any mail which promises good times… Ryan Jordan J&J Flies http://www.erc.montana.edu/~ryan_j/jjflies/jjflies.htm & Center for Biofilm Engineering http://www.erc.montana.edu/~ryan_j/

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This Good Times crap is just that-Pure BS. You cannot get any kind of virus through an email message.

If there were such a thing as a Good Times virus, it would probably be a lot more dangerous if it were renamed the WARNING!!! virus. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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: It’s a little known fact, but you can counter the effects of the : "Good Times" virus by mailing a get well card to Craig Shergold. Sorry bud, Craig Shergold died about 3 years ago. Guess he didn’t get enough cards. This time it’s Biff Maloney, but the card still goes to the same address. I guess it’s just a bad luck bed. : Be sure to include the recipe for Nieman-Marcus Toll House : Cookies. Yeah, because everyone has the Mrs. Fields cookie recipe. : I never gave a fuck about the ‘net until I met Senator Exon ^^^^ Brought to you by the letters ACLU and EEF. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Ryan(& rec.outdoors.fishing.fly), Note: This was a hoax a year ago and still is. You can not introduce a virus into your system by reading a Usenet message. For DOS it must be an executable file and must in fact be opened. Never rally thought about these things propagating over and over as new folks come online. Urban Myths have now become Cyber Myths. I have no intent to waste bandwidth but I felt I neeed to post this as well as contact Ryan directly. regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

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