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We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month. But with these two events closing in on the Bush administration, the falling polls, and the complicity of 9/11 getting known, may trigger another attack, and the declaration of martial law, in order to cancel the election, shut down the Internet as we know it, and to clamp down on further discussion of 9/11. Some say we are already in a partial police state,  and some say we now more everything that has been said, the Congress, the military,  the media, does nothing.  Obviously they are persuaded to do nothing. http://www.911sharethetruth.com 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB–OUR NATION IS IN PERIL       – A Call to All True Patriots –    We have actively studied the questionable nature of the official version of what happened to our nation on September 11, 2001. Throughout the first year after 9-11 we ignored and did not believe those who asked us to question the official story. Like millions of Americans we believed America had been attacked by terrorists from abroad. Sadly, we are now convinced that our government committed a vicious criminal act against its own citizens for the larger purpose of swaying us to support both domestic and foreign policies mapped out in the mid and late 1990’s. 9-11 was Hitler’s Reichstag fire of 1933 and Roosevelt’s Pearl Harbor masterfully coordinated to achieve the desired ends of an imperialistic role for America in the world, patriotic support at home and the erosion of our constitutional rights. In a nutshell, the war on terrorism is a cruel hoax by a misguided, out-of-democratic control small group of individuals sabotaging the best of American values. We are in the midst of a constitutional crisis combined with severe domination from an Orwellian corporate media knowingly or unknowingly being of service to the true powerbrokers behind the curtain. We feel like we are living in the "Matrix" where we can blend in, but knowing something is horribly wrong and must be exposed. The quality of life for all of our loved ones is at stake along with the hopes of millions of people for a world of peace, freedom and ecological sustainability. If just a few of you take the time to study a little more and become involved in the 9-11 truth movement we will be greatly appreciative. We strongly feel that people of all progressive movements should involve themselves in this effort to expose the truth about 9-11 and in the greatest push ever from the grassroots to nonviolently replace our current despotic leadership. It would have tremendous positive consequences to all of our progressive movements if similar to the fall of Nixon over Watergate that the Bush administration was exposed on this and replaced. This outrageous criminal act must be brought to justice and our freedoms restored. We need to reach out now to all those who may be willing to hear and break the silence. Go to site for posters, cassettes, buttons… http://www.911sharethetruth.com

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We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month.

Yep, it was an inside job….the planes blew up INSIDE the buildings. Gee, you are so smart.  You are right about specially outfitted planes… aircraft slamming into the side of a building would go in just like a missle.  And correct again about the controlled demolition…those terrorists must have been really skilled to be able to CONTROL the way they demolished the buildings. By the way numbnuts, watch the footage again.  The buildings did not collapse starting from the bottom.  A controlled demolition would not have been done in the basement, but would have needed to take out at least a dozen floors with the size of the buildings and taken at least a week to plan, and implement.  I think people would have gotten just a mite suspicious with work crews cutting through the structural pilings, setting shaped charges and running primer cord throughout the buildings. The quality of the steel made back when the towers were constructed was poor compared to today.  The structural tolerance was quite low.  The intense heat would collapse the pilings.  And the weight exerted by the upper floors would and did cause the lower ones to fail, causing a cascade failure.  The only way the building would have toppled is if the lower pilings were strong enough to hold back the collapsing upper floors and deflect the path of the fall.  But, as we all saw, it did not. Cease and decist your trolling.  People are getting sick of your freakish extremist "moveon.orgism". GO AWAY!!!!     *PLONK*

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month. But with these two events closing in on the Bush administration, the falling polls, and the complicity of 9/11 getting known, may trigger another attack, and the declaration of martial law, in order to cancel the election, shut down the Internet as we know it, and to clamp down on further discussion of 9/11. Some say we are already in a partial police state,  and some say we now more everything that has been said, the Congress, the military,  the media, does nothing.  Obviously they are persuaded to do nothing. Yup – and yet the media still refuses to even question the wacko bush conspriracy explanation for 9-11.  Thank gof for the net or it would truly be hopeless.

What does gof have to do with anything. — Retired military and damn proud of it.

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Yup – and yet the media still refuses to even question the wacko bush conspriracy explanation for 9-11.  Thank gof for the net or it would truly be hopeless. Indeed.  Being uncensored,

Free press would also be uncensored.                                       the net provides the ideal soapbox for every paranoid conspiracy theorist who knows how to use a keyboard.

Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Matti P.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. This is true.  Yet, just because it does not conform to my beliefs does not automatically mean that it is accurate. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. Perhaps then I should have used the full term "paranoid conspiracy theory" – addressing those ideas that attempt to explain facts that have already been explained, but in a far more bizarre and usually convoluted manner that reassures the wannabe Fox Mulder that The Truth Really Is Out There, and that THEY do not want you to know about it.  It is really only a desire on the part of the theorist to demonstrate their ability to outwit THEM, despite all the barriers THEY supposedly put in the theorists’ way.

I understood your point; just wanted to clarify terms. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Oh, by no means.  In my experience, by far the silliest theory yet put forward is by the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) themselves.

Please note: I said "among the silliest", not "the silliest". Matti P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is the notion that the attack on the Pentagon was carried out not by a terrorist in a hijacked 767, but by a remote-controlled drone plane or missile, packed with explosives and painted (this is priceless) in American Airlines livery to fool onlookers (who presumably cannot tell the difference between a liner and a missile or fighter), whilst the actual 767 was landed at an airport nearby having been flown OVER the Pentagon in the confusion.  The passengers were later ‘disappeared’ by the CIA. There are more holes in this ludicrous ‘explanation’ than in a standard fishing net – and yet it is passed reverently from PCT to PCT as though it is some holy gospel of truth.  In comparison to that, at least to those who have even the slightest grip on the real world, the official line, whilst perhaps open to question in some areas, seems to make far more sense. — Midjis

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. This is true.  Yet, just because it does not conform to my beliefs does not automatically mean that it is accurate. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. Perhaps then I should have used the full term "paranoid conspiracy theory" – addressing those ideas that attempt to explain facts that have already been explained, but in a far more bizarre and usually convoluted manner that reassures the wannabe Fox Mulder that The Truth Really Is Out There, and that THEY do not want you to know about it.  It is really only a desire on the part of the theorist to demonstrate their ability to outwit THEM, despite all the barriers THEY supposedly put in the theorists’ way. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Oh, by no means.  In my experience, by far the silliest theory yet put forward is by the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) themselves.  This is the notion that the attack on the Pentagon was carried out not by a terrorist in a hijacked 767, but by a remote-controlled drone plane or missile, packed with explosives and painted (this is priceless) in American Airlines livery to fool onlookers (who presumably cannot tell the difference between a liner and a missile or fighter), whilst the actual 767 was landed at an airport nearby having been flown OVER the Pentagon in the confusion.  The passengers were later ‘disappeared’ by the CIA. There are more holes in this ludicrous ‘explanation’ than in a standard fishing net – and yet it is passed reverently from PCT to PCT as though it is some holy gospel of truth.  In comparison to that, at least to those who have even the slightest grip on the real world, the official line, whilst perhaps open to question in some areas, seems to make far more sense. — Midjis

But there is conclusive physical evidence that no 767 hit the Pentagon, in fact no evidence of fusilage of any plane found.. The fact that two, one piece that does not match photographed on the lawn points to conspiracy. There was no American Airlines flight 77 scheduled to fly that day. There is conclusive physical evididence that no  passenger jet plane hit the 1st tower or penetrated it. {The film shown shown the following day  9/12, was  crudely edited.  You can see it by looking for the evidence "first plane")  There is only three small holes in the building, none greater that a few feet. There was no American Airlines flight 11 scheduled to fly that day.  What few eye witnesses say a very small plane, holding no more than 10-12 seats, or "a missle with wings".  Check out the examination of that flight and the photos  on thewebfairy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The sheer volume of web articles devoted to the idea that there is ‘conclusive physical evidence’ of anything of the sort is absolutely staggering.  Particularly since there is no such evidence. Patently false. Yes, it is easy to say that, is it not?  But I would be interested to see you provide some of this supposed evidence – and try to do slightly better than the photos you directed me to in the other thread. — Midjis ~~ ama semper quisquis noces

Blow me.

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The sheer volume of web articles devoted to the idea that there is ‘conclusive physical evidence’ of anything of the sort is absolutely staggering.  Particularly since there is no such evidence. Patently false. Yes, it is easy to say that, is it not?  But I would be interested to see you provide some of this supposed evidence – and try to do slightly better than the photos you directed me to in the other thread.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/sweetdeal_title.jpg This one doesn’t NECCESARILY prove anything, other than that a KC-767 prototype did in fact exist, but it’s very telling nevertheless. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Midjis ~~ ama semper quisquis noces

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riverman, try this site if you get access to internet http://scandicangler.com/ it has virtually no delay when it comes to posts on R.O.F.F.

Thanks Roger, but, uh, I have absolutely no idea how to use that site!! Its in some furrin’ language! <g riverman

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Damn! I saw the English flag but never tried it since I have no problem reading Norwegian, or Danish for that matter. You can always keep the adress in mind, maybe they will come up with the English version soon (at least they have prepared for it). Yours/ Roger Taking things for granted will eventually cause problems.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – riverman, try this site if you get access to internet http://scandicangler.com/ it has virtually no delay when it comes to posts on R.O.F.F. Thanks Roger, but, uh, I have absolutely no idea how to use that site!! Its in some furrin’ language! <g riverman

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Yee Ha! At least I’ve got you on age!  40 coming up shortly. bruce h

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Yee Ha! At least I’ve got you on age!  40 coming up shortly.

Old fart in training!  Old fart in training!!!!!  Bawahahahaha!!!!!! — Warren (who isn’t the youngest on ROFF, but is younger than you!!:-) change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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I don’t know if I’ll have newsgroup access in SA, or in Congo. If not, be assured I’ll be lurking via google.com, (someone say hello to me sometime; I’ll see it) and if possible, look forward to a progress report from the other side of the world once I find usenet access. Without usenet access, I’ll post some TRs via emails to another ROFFian.

riverman, try this site if you get access to internet http://scandicangler.com/ it has virtually no delay when it comes to posts on R.O.F.F. — Tight lines! / Roger Ohlund Daytime engineer Lifetime flyfisherman For info on flyfishing in northern Sweden visit http://home.bip.net/angler/

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riverman said: Maybe my posts are excellent, but my JUDGEMENT leaves something to be desired… Then it’s *gotta* be for the big bucks! It can’t be for the scenery.  :( — TL, Tim

The bucks are OK, but nothing to write home about. I guess mostly I’m doing it for the experience. That, and my partner threatened to leave me if I spent another day gawking at the women in Riga. In retrospect, it was a pretty risky play on her part.   :-/ riverman

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(snip) Man, the youth, the travel, the free time, the Russian women. Your posts are excellent Riverman. bruce h

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(snip) Man, the youth, the travel, the free time, the Russian women. Your posts are excellent Riverman.

Why, thank you Bruiser! But maybe you missed the gist of that post….see, I’m LEAVING this region (with the beautiful Russian women) and going to the middle of AIDs and malaria-mosquito infested Dark Africa, for 2 or 3 years, where there are no good trout streams, no political or social infrastructure, its 100 degrees in the shade, but there ain’t no shade, 99% humidity on the dry days, and my ‘youth’ (sneaking up on 45) is fading as rapidly as my prospects of scoring one of those Russian thong-mamas in the 2.5 days I have left here. Maybe my posts are excellent, but my JUDGEMENT leaves something to be desired… riverman

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (snip) Man, the youth, the travel, the free time, the Russian women. Your posts are excellent Riverman. Why, thank you Bruiser! But maybe you missed the gist of that post….see, I’m LEAVING this region (with the beautiful Russian women) and going to the middle of AIDs and malaria-mosquito infested Dark Africa, for 2 or 3 years, where there are no good trout streams, no political or social infrastructure, its 100 degrees in the shade, but there ain’t no shade, 99% humidity on the dry days, and my ‘youth’ (sneaking up on 45) is fading as rapidly as my prospects of scoring one of those Russian thong-mamas in the 2.5 days I have left here. Maybe my posts are excellent, but my JUDGEMENT leaves something to be desired…

Then it’s *gotta* be for the big bucks! It can’t be for the scenery.  :( — TL, Tim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And the women in this part of the world are the most beautiful anywhere I have ever been, and thats a lot of places. Stop you in your tracks beautiful. what is your line of work, riverman?  do you need an english-speaking assistant?  free legal service?  do the process servers in riga take bribes?  is schwepps tonic water readily available? a rapid response will be much appreciated by

wayno: I teach school, and sure I could use an english-speaking assistant  Let me warn you, though, once you visit a place like this, your freaking life is ruined forever. Check out this article: http://www.csica.com/selyanka/newreports.htm And, yes they take bribes, schwepps is available, and I leave on Sunday. Like I said, Stupid Plan… riverman (who is impressed that you are the only roffian to notice the lowercase ‘r’)

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<snip Here in Riga, the days are currently 23 hours long, the weather clear and bright, and as you move northwards through Estonia and Finland (as some recent TRs have exposed), the trout/greyling fishing becomes world-class at this time of year. You can basically follow the ‘early spring’ conditions north to your hearts desire, and there are hundreds of thousands of spots to fish.

<snip <snip And at this moment, I have 3 months pay in my pocket, 11 weeks vacation,

.. <snip Look at it this way, the days won’t be as long and your your cash supply a little smaller, but the grayling fishing will be even better when you get back in the autumn. Have a safe journey /Roger

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And the women in this part of the world are the most beautiful anywhere I have ever been, and thats a lot of places. Stop you in your tracks beautiful.

        what is your line of work, riverman?  do you need an english-speaking assistant?  free legal service?  do the process servers in riga take bribes?  is schwepps tonic water readily available?         a rapid response will be much appreciated by your friend in the old north state wayno  (have lust, will travel)

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I don’t know if I’ll have newsgroup access in SA, or in Congo. If not, be assured I’ll be lurking via google.com, (someone say hello to me sometime; I’ll see it) and if possible, look forward to a progress report from the other side of the world once I find usenet access. Without usenet access, I’ll post some TRs via emails to another ROFFian.

By the way, you can get a google account, based upon a hotmail account, and post to your hearts content.  It does take a few hours to catch up, google is not instant posting, but hey, its free access.  I am truely interested in the flies you use on hippos.  Goodluck on the Summer to Winter thing (once flew from Clark AB in the Philipines to Minot AFB, ND). — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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In a day or two, I’m off for the summer and I don’t know if or when I can get back to ROFF. The Czechs have a word for ‘pretrip anxiety/blues’ and although I cannot remember what it is, I certainly have it. Cutting the cord to this wacky group certainly doesn’t help. Tight Lines, and good summer (to the Northern Hemisphere folks) riverman

Enjoy your *Holiday*, and travel safely Riverman! Op

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In a day or two, I’m off for the summer and I don’t know if or when I can get back to ROFF. The Czechs have a word for ‘pretrip anxiety/blues’ and although I cannot remember what it is, I certainly have it. Cutting the cord to this wacky group certainly doesn’t help. Here in Riga, the days are currently 23 hours long, the weather clear and bright, and as you move northwards through Estonia and Finland (as some recent TRs have exposed), the trout/greyling fishing becomes world-class at this time of year. You can basically follow the ‘early spring’ conditions north to your hearts desire, and there are hundreds of thousands of spots to fish. And the women in this part of the world are the most beautiful anywhere I have ever been, and thats a lot of places. Stop you in your tracks beautiful. And at this moment, I have 3 months pay in my pocket, 11 weeks vacation, an apartment all rented, a solid 4WD truck, camping gear, fishing gear, and nothing on my datebook….except for a flight this sunday to Cape Town. South Africa. …..where its winter, dreary, days are 10 hours long, and trout streams are few, far between, and not heavily populated with fish. And its the off-season. Why am I doing this? Got to. Got important things to do in SA that will take time. Visas, shipments, travel arrangement to my next destination in Congo. Got a girlfriend to meet in 2 weeks, got a place to stay and friends to see. Hopefully I’ll get a chance to hook up with Ari Bert, maybe find an elusive trout or two. Possibly spend a few days dodging hippos and crocs on a river, we’ll see. Also have plans to do some surf casting on both coasts with different friends; a Professor Emeritus that I met in Kruger a few years back, and an Italian Chef that I know through my partner. Should be interesting. I don’t know if I’ll have newsgroup access in SA, or in Congo. If not, be assured I’ll be lurking via google.com, (someone say hello to me sometime; I’ll see it) and if possible, look forward to a progress report from the other side of the world once I find usenet access. Without usenet access, I’ll post some TRs via emails to another ROFFian. Take care, all, and its been great fun meeting you, both IRL (Stan, Jarmo, Charlie, Mike, Hermann, Marcel) and online (everyone else). Tight Lines, and good summer (to the Northern Hemisphere folks) riverman

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How about used Macro lenses…what could I get that would be relatively inexpensive and still provide the ability for an object about 1/4" to fill 35mm ? Thanks, again, very very much. — TimW

        anybody that uses canon equipment has *got* to be a fish-killin’, beer drinkin’ reprobate.         olympus rules!         email me with your detailed needs, buddy, and i will try to find something for you. happy thanksgiving! wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Tim, These will not fit an EOS mount.  I beleive you can get and FD/EOS adapter, however you lose all your metering functions – not a good thing eh! If you need bellows there are the Novaflex autobellows for EOS, you may have to hunt around for them second hand, I beleive that they are not cheap. Alternatively I use Hoya close-up filters on a 50mm 1.8 lens, these do a good job, you have to be very careful with your focusing and depth of field. Canon now actually make extension tubes for EOS – however I don’t know how much they cost, so you I can’t comment on them. Regards, AS

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: [deleted] : No. The mounts are completely different. FL and FD were the mounts used on : their pre-autofocus SLR cameras such as the FTb, F-1, and T-90. : Is there an adapter ? AutoFocus is unimportant and the TTL metering should : work regardless ? Pasted from my save file: Can any one refer me to some resources on the internet that explain the difference betwen Canon’s FD and EF Lenses?  I also would like to find out the compatibility issues of FD lenses with Canon EOS Cameras?

Canon EF lenses are autofocus (usually with manual focus capability); they fit Canon EOS camera bodies.  Aperture is 100% electronic and can only be set from the camera body.  EF lenses cannot be mounted on a F, A, or T series (FD) camera body; adapters are not available. Canon FD lenses are manual focus only; they fit on the older Canon F, A and T series camera bodies.  Aperture is set on the lens by turning a ring or placed on "A" (or "O") for automatic aperture setting.  FD lenses cannot be mounted on an EOS (autofocus) camera without an adapter. FD/EF adapters are either optical or macro.  Macro adapters will not allow the lens to focus to infinity.  Optical adapters made by Canon are useable only on certain expensive telephoto lenses.  Optical adapters made by 3rd parties are not noted for quality.  When FD lenses are used with any EF adapter, focus will be manual and metering must be performed manually with the lens stopped-down to the taking aperture. Dave Herzstein http://www.kjsl.com/~dave/index.html Bill Jameson

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You can probably achieve fair to good quality if your are careful with tripod mounted camera and close-up lens attachments  that are much cheaper than extension tubes and bellows.  Check with B&H in NY.

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For inexpensive macro shots with an EOS, get a set of independently-made extension tubes I can’t find these….what do I ask for ? What is the best I can hope for on this in terms of ‘magnification’ ?

Kenko is a brand name of some extension tubes.  There are others.  Look in the B&H ads in the mags.  Canon has there own set (more expensive.) Now, as far as ‘magnification’ is concerned, I hope you realize that you are delving into an area of photography where simple one line answers on USENET are not going to serve you well.  Suggest you start reading some books on macro photography. Magnification is a function of object distance (from lens), the focal length of the lens, and the image distance (from lens to film).  Change any one of these three and you will change the magnification.  As an experiment, pick up a plain ‘ol magnifying glass, and focus an image (let’s say from your monitor screen) onto the back of your hand.  Then walk a few feet away and try again.  You’ll notice that the image on your hand is smaller.  What you’ve done is change the object distance and observed the difference in size due to it. Magnification is defined as the image distance divided by the object distance.  Thus the closer you can get to an object the greater the magnification.  Conversely, if you can increase the image distance then you will also get greater magnification. What extension tubes accomplish is the latter.  They move the lens away from the film, thus increasing the magnification. A ring light would be a good light source for your photos of fishing flies. Could this still hook up through the shoe and provide TTL ?

Yes, there are ring lights that will work with EOS and still have TTL flash control. How about used Macro lenses…what could I get that would be relatively inexpensive and still provide the ability for an object about 1/4" to fill 35mm ?

Let’s see, a 35mm frame is 1.5” long, the item is 1/4" long, so the magnification required would be (1.5)/(1/4) = 6.  You are talking ‘real’ macrophotography, it IS NOT the stuff most people think about when they buy the so called 105mm ‘macro’ lenses!  You’d need the bellows unit, and a lens that could work with it.  Canon makes them.  There are third party items as well. Real macrophotography is very involved, and costs bucks. Canon publishes a "Macro" book; B&H has it listed for $18, I suggest you order it. BTW, Canon just came out with a special macro lens that can go to 5x, almost your requirement!  Expect to pay around $1050 for it.  The focal length is only 65mm though. -dan

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Thank you. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw a Canon Bellows for sale at Ebay.  It said FD/FL mount.  Will this fit an EOS ? No. The mounts are completely different. FL and FD were the mounts used on their pre-autofocus SLR cameras such as the FTb, F-1, and T-90. For inexpensive macro shots with an EOS, get a set of independently-made extension tubes and/or a reverse mount adapter for your normal lens. A ring light would be a good light source for your photos of fishing flies.

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[deleted] No. The mounts are completely different. FL and FD were the mounts used on their pre-autofocus SLR cameras such as the FTb, F-1, and T-90.

Is there an adapter ? AutoFocus is unimportant and the TTL metering should work regardless ? For inexpensive macro shots with an EOS, get a set of independently-made extension tubes

I can’t find these….what do I ask for ? What is the best I can hope for on this in terms of ‘magnification’ ? and/or a reverse mount adapter for your normal lens.

Again…the photo shop here in Podunk didn’t have this…at least not for the EOS…sources ?  I do have magnification filters (+1, +2, +4) and these work so-so…I’ve been putting them all together and just feel really cheesy about it. A ring light would be a good light source for your photos of fishing flies.

Could this still hook up through the shoe and provide TTL ? How about used Macro lenses…what could I get that would be relatively inexpensive and still provide the ability for an object about 1/4" to fill 35mm ? Thanks, again, very very much. — TimW

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I saw a Canon Bellows for sale at Ebay.  It said FD/FL mount.  Will this fit an EOS ? Does anybody have an extension tube/bellows or macro lens they could part with for a fair price ? Lights ? I’m trying to do some photographs of fishing flies for scanning and posting and am very much an amateur with a desire to do a good job. Thanks very much… — TimW

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I saw a Canon Bellows for sale at Ebay.  It said FD/FL mount.  Will this fit an EOS ?

No. The mounts are completely different. FL and FD were the mounts used on their pre-autofocus SLR cameras such as the FTb, F-1, and T-90. For inexpensive macro shots with an EOS, get a set of independently-made extension tubes and/or a reverse mount adapter for your normal lens. A ring light would be a good light source for your photos of fishing flies.

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The Atlantic FLy Fishing School, Brookfield, Nova Scotia,  is sponsoring a BASIC fly tying course — Instructor Joie Coe owner of "The Fly Box" Beginning  January 12th. 1997 for 7 Sundays.   2 pm to 4:30 pm Cost $45.00 per person Register early  - 902 673-2590

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: Just a thought – anybody thought of an on-line course, via Webs and : e-mail? : Again just a thought from someone too far away and too poor to fly to the : Nova Scotia site. I don’t know what could be done via the Web that is not already beign done with books and video tape. It would be just as effective (or not?) I have learned from my students that there is nothing like first hand instruction to clear up the problems that they are having trying to learn to tie or cast. Jon Porter

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Just a thought – anybody thought of an on-line course, via Webs and e-mail? Again just a thought from someone too far away and too poor to fly to the Nova Scotia site. B. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Atlantic FLy Fishing School, Brookfield, Nova Scotia,  is sponsoring a BASIC fly tying course — Instructor Joie Coe owner of "The Fly Box" Beginning  January 12th. 1997 for 7 Sundays.   2 pm to 4:30 pm Cost $45.00 per person Register early  - 902 673-2590

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I agree Jon. Someone asked me about this recently as well. Al Beatty’s VFS article on Wonder Wings is an excellent example of what can be done for an individual pattern but I don’t think a course including such things as basic thread handling procedures would work very well. Paul Marriner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Just a thought – anybody thought of an on-line course, via Webs and : e-mail? : Again just a thought from someone too far away and too poor to fly to the : Nova Scotia site. I don’t know what could be done via the Web that is not already beign done with books and video tape. It would be just as effective (or not?) I have learned from my students that there is nothing like first hand instruction to clear up the problems that they are having trying to learn to tie or cast. Jon Porter

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Then again, Jon, maybe we just need to think outside the box.  I heard an ‘expert’ on computer learning speaking on Public Radio the other night.  His pitch was that the www and computer based instructional materials will only be effective if they DO NOT try to recreate traditional methods of teaching, just on a computer. The idea seemed to be along the lines of folks (particularly kids) learn best when they are free to follow their interests to natural conclusion.  With appropriate links and without attempts to ‘route’ the user, the computer lends itself to this paradigm.  Just make sure one link is to the ‘thread control’ module!  :^) Charley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Just a thought – anybody thought of an on-line course, via Webs and : e-mail? : Again just a thought from someone too far away and too poor to fly to the : Nova Scotia site. I don’t know what could be done via the Web that is not already beign done with books and video tape. It would be just as effective (or not?) I have learned from my students that there is nothing like first hand instruction to clear up the problems that they are having trying to learn to tie or cast. Jon Porter

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: Then again, Jon, maybe we just need to think outside the box.  I : heard an ‘expert’ on computer learning speaking on Public Radio : the other night.  His pitch was that the www and computer based : instructional materials will only be effective if they DO NOT : try to recreate traditional methods of teaching, just on a computer. : The idea seemed to be along the lines of folks (particularly kids) : learn best when they are free to follow their interests to natural : conclusion.  With appropriate links and without attempts to ‘route’ : the user, the computer lends itself to this paradigm.  Just make : sure one link is to the ‘thread control’ module!  :^) Pushing buttons on a keyboard is different from the manipulations required to tie a decent, long lasting fly. Yes, it could be learned by trial and error, but I think that it is cheaper to get instruction, than to pay for wasted materials. Could just let em learn to drive from a book. Why have the other gut sitting in the seat next to em?  Less screaming that way. Jon Porter

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Rhythm of the Rise thought I  would pass on a tip that I picked up from one of Doug Swisher

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I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for the help!!!                   Good luck, er fishing…                                 JOHN

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: I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!   Ah. Welcome to "livers." Since cats in my neck of the woods like minnows (live or dead) as well as anything, I won’t touch chicken livers with a stick. Went fishing once with a friend. He used livers, and wiped his f*cking hands off on his pants. Got in my car, smearing that juice all over my seat. For a week, afterwards, my car stank. "No dear, that wasn’t me…." Anyway, yeah — you can use trebles, but I don’t recommend it. Yes, the liver stays on much better, but it’s not a good hook for cats (unlike a "Kahle(sp?)"), and if they do gulp it, it’s the devil’s own work, unhooking it. Instead — either fry the livers very briefly, or leave them out in the sun, first, for a while. That toughens ‘em up, and they won’t fly off the hook when you cast.

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: I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!

You could use two small trebs englobbed in the flesh. TimW

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: I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!! You could use two small trebs englobbed in the flesh. TimW

you can use what we call out here magic thread. what is it, it is a thread about the size of dental floss and it is elastic you take a live to a hook and hold on to one end of the thread and pull it tight and wrap the meat to the hook. let go of it and it senches the liver to the hook no knots to tie. it works great happy trails robert

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!   Ah. Welcome to "livers." Since cats in my neck of the woods like minnows (live or dead) as well as anything, I won’t touch chicken livers with a stick. Went fishing once with a friend. He used livers, and wiped his f*cking hands off on his pants. Got in my car, smearing that juice all over my seat. For a week, afterwards, my car stank. "No dear, that wasn’t me…." Anyway, yeah — you can use trebles, but I don’t recommend it. Yes, the liver stays on much better, but it’s not a good hook for cats (unlike a "Kahle(sp?)"), and if they do gulp it, it’s the devil’s own work, unhooking it. Instead — either fry the livers very briefly, or leave them out in the sun, first, for a while. That toughens ‘em up, and they won’t fly off the hook when you cast.

Just put all the livers you want in the toe of an old pair of pantyhose…tie it off of pin it shut…insert hook and feel free to cast as hard as you want….Good luck!  this technique has really gotten me some massive channel cats in the rivers of PA…

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: I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!   Take a spool of light cotton thread with you and wrap about a foot of it around the liver to hold in place. Don’t wrap it too tight or it’ll slice the liver. I like cotton thread because it breaks easy and I don’t need to hunt for my knife all the time, it just breaks with a pull. Try beef or pork liver, works just as well and stays on the hook better. BiNM

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I just wanted to second this: Since cats in my neck of the woods like minnows (live or dead) as well as anything, I won’t touch chicken livers with a stick.

I do use liver every now and then, or get some of that "catfish bait" in the tubs at the store. But catfish really like live small fish or large minnows (check your regs before using small fish – here it is okay to use small sunfish only if you catch them legally with hook and line) or cut bait. Night crawlers also work well. If it is legal to chum, you can toss a liver in near your line to attract cats. Once they arrive, they will eat other offerings as well. -Andy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I was fishing tonight for catfish at a local pond using chicken liver. : I got numerous bites, maybe 15 or so in a 3 hour period.  Yet I only : managed to catch one.  The liver was pretty soft and kept falling off : the hook.  Should I be using treble hooks??  What size would you : recommend for cats??  Any special techniques I should take into account : when getting bites?? i.e. when do I set the hook?  Any special way to : keep the liver secure on the hook?  Anyone???  Bueller???  Thanks for : the help!!!   Take a spool of light cotton thread with you and wrap about a foot of it around the liver to hold in place. Don’t wrap it too tight or it’ll slice the liver. I like cotton thread because it breaks easy and I don’t need to hunt for my knife all the time, it just breaks with a pull. Try beef or pork liver, works just as well and stays on the hook better. BiNM

You can also use a little square of panty hose wrapped around the liver…

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Please send me your free catalog: Mark Cattalani 86 Verndale St. Brookline, MA 02146

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I work for a publishing company that specializes in fishing books. We have a free full color catalog with over 200 fishing related titles. Our main focus is in fly fishing and fly tying. To order a free catalog: e-mail me;         -or- write; Frank Amato Publications P.O. Box 82112 Portland, OR  97282         -or- call; 1-800-541-9498                                 Tight Lines,                                 Jeff Findley                                 Frank Amato Publications

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I work for a publishing company that specializes in fishing books. We have a free full color catalog with over 200 fishing related titles. Our main focus is in fly fishing and fly tying. To order a free catalog: e-mail me;    -or- write; Frank Amato Publications P.O. Box 82112 Portland, OR  97282    -or- call; 1-800-541-9498                            Tight Lines,                            Jeff Findley                            Frank Amato Publications

Great idea!  Thanks for posting this – these are the people who published the Curtis Creek Manifesto, among many others, and therefore deserve our undying gratitude! Tim

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I guess little things in life please me; last weekend while tying some flies with a friend, his father showed us the trick of how to tie the head of a Muddler Minnow. I had always marvelled at these seemingly intricate flies and wondered "How in the world do you tie this?".

Pete,      Cool, huh?  As Scott indicates in response to this same posting, spinning deerhair is a basic technique that’s been around a long time. You can also spin other materials such as wool (woolhead sculpins) tow yarn (glow bugs) or any hollow animal hair.      Back in high school I reluctantly began tying commercially for local fly shops and a large mailorder firm.  I tried to stick mostly to custom tying because it didn’t get as boring (I would tie dozens of a pattern and color rather than grosses) and I made better money. Excellent spending (fishing) money for a teen by the way.  Anyway, I tied tons of muddlers.  Popular fly.  To form the head on a muddler you shouldn’t need to spin more than one clump of hair.  First, always use a heavier than normal thread when spinning hair.  Cut a suitable sized clump and stack the tips (even the hair tips).  These tips will form your muddler’s collar.  Make two loose wraps of thread around the hair and hook with the tips of the hair positioned to form the collar (usually about half way down the hook shank).  Begin to tighten your thread to flare the hair and wrap through the flared deerhair. Tie off and trim the flared butt ends and some of the tip ends of the deerhair.  The muddler should take less than 5 minutes to tie plus it’s a great fly.  I think you’ll find this method for muddler heads quicker, easier, and neater.  Have fun tying! John

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I guess little things in life please me; last weekend while tying some flies with a friend, his father showed us the trick of how to tie the head of a Muddler Minnow. I had always marvelled at these seemingly intricate flies and wondered "How in the world do you tie this?". The trick is that you take deer hair and wrap it to the hook near the head, splitting the length of the hair in 2.  As you let go of the deer hair, it fans out in a perpendicular fashion to the hook.  After wrapping several bunches of deer hair to the hook, the previous bunches get pushed backwards.  Then you just trim away the bulk of the dear head and sculpt the head of the muddler minnow. Its quite simple !  What a revelation!  I tied my 1st muddler and it looked AWESOME.                                                         pete                                                                            |_    

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Its quite simple !  What a revelation!  I tied my 1st muddler and it looked AWESOME.

The "trick" you describe is pretty much standard practice (its called hair spinning and is described in many fly tying books).. You did say in your original message that you were just trimming the hair to shape the head..  After you trim, you can use a match (or lighter if youre careful) to further refine the head’s shape.. Scott —             |                UUCP: ..!uunet!plains!wilken       |               | WWW page -= http://www.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu/~wilken |

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Fly fishermen (more properly fly fisherpersons, wow, ain’t nothing sacred anymore)  you probably will be interested in a very new newsgroup rec.outdoors.fishing.fly devoted exclusively to fly fishing interests. Tight lines Mike Griffith —

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MGFly fishermen (more properly fly fisherpersons, wow, ain’t nothing MGsacred anymore)  you probably will be interested in a very new newsgroup MGrec.outdoors.fishing.fly devoted exclusively to fly fishing interests. How do I ask my friendly sysop to access rec.outdoors.fishing.fly?  I think he’ll want to know who it comes from, anticipated message volume and such.  Thanks for helping out a novice computer user and soon to be novice flyfisherperson! Message written at 8:40pm, on Wednesday, May 25, 1994. —