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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stan, I’m tracing my package via the internet, an option I didn’t have with the batch that got lost, since I sent that one with ordinary mail. Anyway, the package has already left Sweden and is flewn over the Atlantic Ocean this very minute. With a bit of luck it should arrive on Friday. Them flies are getting to be really expensive, I mean, they were tied twice and sent twice. If only I could say that I was a good tier it might have made sense, but since I said I would send flies I felt I had to give it another try.

I, for one, appreciate the "stand-by-your-commitment" attitude you display. — TL, Tim . . .and you aren’t going to make your money back based on the ones *I* tied.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stan, I’m tracing my package via the internet, an option I didn’t have with the batch that got lost, since I sent that one with ordinary mail. Anyway, the package has already left Sweden and is flewn over the Atlantic Ocean this very minute. With a bit of luck it should arrive on Friday. Them flies are getting to be really expensive, I mean, they were tied twice and sent twice. If only I could say that I was a good tier it might have made sense, but since I said I would send flies I felt I had to give it another try. I, for one, appreciate the "stand-by-your-commitment" attitude you display. — TL, Tim . . .and you aren’t going to make your money back based on the ones *I* tied.

/Roger If I were into fly fishing and related stuff to make money, with my approach I’d be named a bankrupt idiot.   =)

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Nothing to report really, nothing has arrived since Monday.  As far as I can tell, here’s the latest tally: Already received: *Scott Seidman: tungsten-beaded sulfur nymph *Stan Gula: Zug Bug variant *Tim Johnson: PT nymph *Svend Tang-Petersen: poxy back general mayfly *Randy Kane: flash back PT *John Whiteley: Sawyer PT *Stephen Welsh: Peacock and Possum *Wolfgang: Plain vanilla GRHE *Joe Fleischman: GRW *Jim Rahn: ‘The Generic’ *Shawn Armstrong: Gold Bead Head Cress Bug *Hans van der Stroom: Ritz D Waiting for: Rocktrout(aka Bouncer): Mountain Midge Roger Ohlund: caddis pupae, with beadhead Clark Reid: unknown Herman Nijland: suspender polder nymph Paul Goodwin: a surprise Bouncer, what’s your status?  Does anybody have his email address? Roger feels his package is lost (he mailed it 3 weeks ago) and will be sending another set by package courier instead of post. Next Thursday is Thanksgiving and I’m going to be tied up with transportation, shopping and chef duties most of the week so it looks like we will wait until Saturday at least.  I’ll check in then and we can decide what to do about missing flies.  On Saturday we can decide the ultimate cutoff date, but I propose that we need to (at come point) distribute the ones I’ve received, and all participants, whether their delivery is here or not, should get a set.  Any late arriving flies will be donated to 2003 claves or other worthy cause at my discretion.  One set will be saved for Tim Apple, and at least one set will be donated to Dave LaCourse’s friend in Maine. –Stan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nothing to report really, nothing has arrived since Monday.  As far as I can tell, here’s the latest tally: Already received: *Scott Seidman: tungsten-beaded sulfur nymph *Stan Gula: Zug Bug variant *Tim Johnson: PT nymph *Svend Tang-Petersen: poxy back general mayfly *Randy Kane: flash back PT *John Whiteley: Sawyer PT *Stephen Welsh: Peacock and Possum *Wolfgang: Plain vanilla GRHE *Joe Fleischman: GRW *Jim Rahn: ‘The Generic’ *Shawn Armstrong: Gold Bead Head Cress Bug *Hans van der Stroom: Ritz D Waiting for: Rocktrout(aka Bouncer): Mountain Midge Roger Ohlund: caddis pupae, with beadhead Clark Reid: unknown Herman Nijland: suspender polder nymph Paul Goodwin: a surprise Bouncer, what’s your status?  Does anybody have his email address? Roger feels his package is lost (he mailed it 3 weeks ago) and will be sending another set by package courier instead of post. Next Thursday is Thanksgiving and I’m going to be tied up with transportation, shopping and chef duties most of the week so it looks like we will wait until Saturday at least.  I’ll check in then and we can decide what to do about missing flies.  On Saturday we can decide the ultimate cutoff date, but I propose that we need to (at come point) distribute the ones I’ve received, and all participants, whether their delivery is here or not, should get a set.  Any late arriving flies will be donated to 2003 claves or other worthy cause at my discretion.  One set will be saved for Tim Apple, and at least one set will be donated to Dave LaCourse’s friend in Maine. –Stan

Sounds good to me, Stan, tho I’m in no rush personally.  These nymphs in no way resemble anything I’ll be fishin with in Dec!  Let’s put off the real decision till the Tues or Wed after Thanksgiving, if you don’t mind, to give travellers a chance to get home, and holiday mail lags a chance to catch up. I have no trouble with the everyone whos in gets a set thing, whether flies show or not.  Makes the latecoming flies collectors items, and a challenge to complete your set!  Kind of like baseball cards when I was a kid. — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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<snip –Stan (nymphs everywhere)

I thought it was wayno and/or Wolfgang that had this, er, problem. — TL, Tim

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Stan, I’m tracing my package via the internet, an option I didn’t have with the batch that got lost, since I sent that one with ordinary mail. Anyway, the package has already left Sweden and is flewn over the Atlantic Ocean this very minute. With a bit of luck it should arrive on Friday. Them flies are getting to be really expensive, I mean, they were tied twice and sent twice. If only I could say that I was a good tier it might have made sense, but since I said I would send flies I felt I had to give it another try. /Roger Still have my fingers crossed though, one never knows where the mail might fail.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have heard from Herman and Roger that their flies are on the way.

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One more time… Here we are two weeks past the deadline, and still waiting.  Clark’s flies arrived today (and I spilled them all over my kitchen floor) but there are still two non-US entries missing in the mail, and two US entries just plain missing in action.  I have heard from Herman and Roger that their flies are on the way.  Since I’ll be very busy this week and I can’t do the packaging and mailing until Sunday anyway, I’m going to wait until then.  I really want to give Roger and Herman a chance because I think these non-US flies are worth the wait.  Salmonfly and Bouncer, this is your last notice – if you’re in contact me. On Sunday I start packaging. –Stan (nymphs everywhere)

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Nothing to report really, nothing has arrived since Monday.  As far as I can tell, here’s the latest tally:

Well heck; if’n I’d known I had this much time I’d have tied better flies. Joe F.

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Gotta love a fly called "Trout Crack." Pretty soon, you’re on the stuff solid, rarely sleeping, breaking close family ties, sleeping outdoors, and waking up with week-old stubble and a wicked hangover. My stubble is more like 25 years old, but that sure sounds familiar.

Yeah, that was Penns Clave #1 — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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Here’s a (bad) picture of the full set so you can get a dim idea what’s coming. http://gula.org/images/flies.jpg Gotta love a fly called "Trout Crack."

It’s not funny. At first you just have a little on a recreational basis. Pretty soon, you’re on the stuff solid, rarely sleeping, breaking close family ties, sleeping outdoors, and waking up with week-old stubble and a wicked hangover. — TL, Tim Of course, you could just be at a ‘clave.

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Gotta love a fly called "Trout Crack." Pretty soon, you’re on the stuff solid, rarely sleeping, breaking close family ties, sleeping outdoors, and waking up with week-old stubble and a wicked hangover.

My stubble is more like 25 years old, but that sure sounds familiar.

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They start going out today.  All the preaddressed containers are going out in an hour.  The others, where I have to write addresses, are going tomorrow. Here’s a (bad) picture of the full set so you can get a dim idea what’s coming. http://gula.org/images/flies.jpg Hope you all are enjoying the holidays!

Good job, swapmeister pro tem — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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Here’s a (bad) picture of the full set so you can get a dim idea what’s coming. http://gula.org/images/flies.jpg

Gotta love a fly called "Trout Crack." Frank Reid

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They start going out today.  All the preaddressed containers are going out in an hour.  The others, where I have to write addresses, are going tomorrow. Here’s a (bad) picture of the full set so you can get a dim idea what’s coming. http://gula.org/images/flies.jpg Hope you all are enjoying the holidays!

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Question:

Well, I’ve hinted at it; and now it’s time to start writing in ink.   I’m proposing a ROFF mini-clave in Altmar, NY to catch a few salmon, drink a few beers, and tell a few lies.   At this late date, accommodations in the entire area should be nigh on impossible to obtain; but I have already reserved two large rooms at Malinda’s for Thurs., October 17 thru the 20th. One room is essentially full already; but the other sleeps 3 or 4 should any intrepid souls want to make definite plans for that weekend. I’m willing to bet that most folks interested will already be familiar with the area; but any questions about the fishing, fly selection, places to eat, lodges, etc. will be cheerfully answered for those who are not; and I’ll even put up a web site if necessary. So consider this a preliminary announcement.   More info will be provided as needed. Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, I’ve hinted at it; and now it’s time to start writing in ink.   I’m proposing a ROFF mini-clave in Altmar, NY to catch a few salmon, drink a few beers, and tell a few lies.   At this late date, accommodations in the entire area should be nigh on impossible to obtain; but I have already reserved two large rooms at Malinda’s for Thurs., October 17 thru the 20th. One room is essentially full already; but the other sleeps 3 or 4 should any intrepid souls want to make definite plans for that weekend. I’m willing to bet that most folks interested will already be familiar with the area; but any questions about the fishing, fly selection, places to eat, lodges, etc. will be cheerfully answered for those who are not; and I’ll even put up a web site if necessary. So consider this a preliminary announcement.   More info will be provided as needed. Joe F.

Joe- It’s a really busy semester for me, but I might be able to swing by on the weekend (yeah, I know about the crowds, but it will be for the comeraderie and not the fishing).  Joe Verdone might be interested as well.  I don’t think we’ll be needing accomodations, we’re a stone’s throw away — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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Well, I’ve hinted at it; and now it’s time to start writing in ink.   I’m proposing a ROFF mini-clave in Altmar, NY to catch a few salmon, drink a few beers, and tell a few lies.  

Those salmon aren’t, like, trying to spawn, are they? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Well, I’ve hinted at it; and now it’s time to start writing in ink. I’m proposing a ROFF mini-clave in Altmar, NY to catch a few salmon, drink a few beers, and tell a few lies. Those salmon aren’t, like, trying to spawn, are they?

They sure are.  They swim right into the loving hands of the folks at the hatchery, where the hens get squeezed like bagpipes and the males are emptied like a tube of toothpaste. Pete

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Those salmon aren’t, like, trying to spawn, are they? They sure are.

In that case, I’m afraid it’s unethical. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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In that case, I’m afraid it’s unethical.

Ethics on the Salmon River are as rare as a 2 – minute steak. Pete Collin

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Pete?  "Flyfishing," is not a generalization sport which is as rare as a 1 minute steak. George Gehrke :  ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In that case, I’m afraid it’s unethical. Ethics on the Salmon River are as rare as a 2 – minute steak. Pete Collin

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 When Bob Skinner learned he lives along the route I drove, and at the halfway point, he opened up his home to me and the lovely massuese.         did i get that right; did you say you and "…the lovely massues"?  the hell with all that other bullshit–let’s hear about *that*! wayno, goin for the jugular

  Great, Charlie.  You let the cat out of the bag.  Now, the eastern clavers will want you to spill the beans. I fear that the bottom will then drop out of the goat market, hurting a lot of the local farmers:( Bob Skinner — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Ok, so you attended the Western Conclave. You’re tired, you’re hungry, and you don’t have the time to post a week-long trip report… So how’s about you answer this little survey in the meantime? Most of the questions can be answered in a few words. It’ll only take a minute 1. What days were you there?

Got there friday night, airlifted out on Monday afternoon. 2. Who did you fish with?

Dan’l, Darin, Warren, the Hightowers, Bob Card and Willi. Planned to fish w/ KenF but arteries got in the way. 3. Where did you fish?

Fished once right next to camp, 2 smalls, one decent, all Browns. Second day fished up river a bit at burnt tree hole (?). Caught a few small browns. Third day fished braided channals south of town. Caught a lot of smaller browns. 4. What water was most productive for you? Loved the braided channels. Want to fish it again. 5. What was your favorite fly? I was using stimulators mostly, but I should

have used more . . . nymphs 6. What was your most memorable fish? 7. Did HWMNBN make a public appearance? Huh? 8. Did Ken and Vern get along? ? 9. What did you win at the raffle? A 3 weight line, 10. Where were you when Snedeker had the heart attack? Actually I was right

there. See that sucker was w/ Dan at the jiffy shop and Dan’l, whose offer of an aspirin had been earlier accepted, suggested Sned visit the clinic just for the hell of it. The countergirl said it was down the street, he went and, voila, started a whole chain of events that  . . . hold it. Sned IS ME! Yeah. I lived. At least so far. Ended up at Deaconess/Billings, great cardiac center, next am they found blockages and inserted 2 stints. Ill say more about these very interesting bits of stainless mesh some other time. Bob Skinner, is a great guy. He drove all the way to Billings and back to get my wife Bonnie to my van in Ennis. I will be forever greatful for that quiet kindness. 11. If you had it to do over again, what would you do differently? Quit

smoking 20 years ago and learned to hate eggs. 12. Which ROFFian was the MOST like you thought they’d be? All of em. No surprises really. 13. Which ROFFian was the LEAST like you thought they’d be? see above. Bonus questions (only one person need answer): (a) who won the bamboo rod and the Connor rod? (b) Is Snedeker going to be OK? Well so far. I was

lucky it happened when and where it did. I got the best care you can , I figured I was already dead so nothing hurt too much, and I got a pocket full of nitro in case I need it. Turns out I was having a rolling heart attack for about a month and kept telling myself it was musle strain, although I hear that Warren thinks it was his rap music that triggered the attack. No way Warren, although on second thought if it will  . . . .  And I survived so far.  Ive had a great life, and Im one dam lucky person. Getting tired and will post more some other time. Thanx for all the great wishes Snedeker – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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  You got that right Wayno. I took my girlfriend, who is a professional masseuse (strictly legit, sore muscles etc). Just what the doctor ordered after a hard day on the water; she also cooks and keeps a pretty tidy camp. The only drawback to having her along was that I seldom arose before 9:00 AM.

ahhhh, this post Charlie, in it’s simple innocence, is at this time causing wayno to tear what few reamining hairs he has out of his head. waldo

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Walt Its even worse. The lady is classy, great lookin, has a sense of humor and fishes. Kinda like many of the other classy ladies of the West. To whom I dedicate this couplet: Yeah, and, and, and . . . she’s really cool. Grows her own, No pixy and looks grrrreat in the sun. Has a homeplace between John Day and Maupin, but mostly she’s keepen the old Beaver flying and in gas. Prefers older guys, dresses mostly out of REI, and little Sundance. Ties down to a 22. Somewhere West of Cheyenne Send er round Dave Snedeker – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   You got that right Wayno. I took my girlfriend, who is a professional masseuse (strictly legit, sore muscles etc). Just what the doctor ordered after a hard day on the water; she also cooks and keeps a pretty tidy camp. The only drawback to having her along was that I seldom arose before 9:00 AM. ahhhh, this post Charlie, in it’s simple innocence, is at this time causing wayno to tear what few reamining hairs he has out of his head. waldo

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Ok, so you attended the Western Conclave. You’re tired, you’re hungry, and you don’t have the time to post a week-long trip report… So how’s about you answer this little survey in the meantime? Most of the questions can be answered in a few words. It’ll only take a minute 1. What days were you there?

I arrived on Fri. night the 21st and left on Sat morn the 29th. 2. Who did you fish with? Everyone who showed up except Ken, which I wish I could have. 3. Where did you fish? The Madison and Ruby rivers, Jack and Indian cricks, and two high altitude lakes with Steve (RW) which will remain nameless. 4. What water was most productive for you?

Probably the second lake Steve and I rode up to. We caught at least 2 doz. apiece in just a couple of hours. 5. What was your favorite fly?

Elk hair caddis, although this is not what I caught most of my fish on. 6. What was your most memorable fish?

The 20" cutthroat that I caught out of the first lake Steve and I rode to. 7. Did HWMNBN make a public appearance?

Nope, but I know where he was on Thursday, and I ain’t tellin. 8. Did Ken and Vern get along?

They appeared to. 9. What did you win at the raffle?

I won Michael Erana’s furled leaders and Forty’s book "Trout Stream Insects" 10. Where were you when Snedeker had the heart attack?

Fishing. 11. If you had it to do over again, what would you do differently?

I can’t think of a single thing. 12. Which ROFFian was the MOST like you thought they’d be?

To be honest, Ken Fortenberry. I can’t really explain why either. 13. Which ROFFian was the LEAST like you thought they’d be?

Steve. Sorry Steve, but it’s true, I thought you’d be more a serious type of guy. I was definitely wrong. Bonus questions (only one person need answer): (a) who won the bamboo rod and the Connor rod? (b) Is Snedeker going to be OK?

A) Vern won the cane rod and I’m cryin fix cause it was the first item up and his was the first name drawn. FIX! FIX! Just kidding Vern, you did a good, fair job with the raffle. Danl won the Conner rod, that lucky son of a bitch. I can say that cause it’s going to be a couple more weeks before he gets to a computer. B) Dave S. is going to be fine. Darin

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Hello Peter Thanx for the good wishes. Im alive and kicking. Need a few weeks to figure this deal out. See whats included and whats not. Im just resting and glad to be alive. Take care Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] Well so far. I was lucky it happened when and where it did. I got the best care you can , I figured I was already dead so nothing hurt too much, and I got a pocket full of nitro in case I need it. Turns out I was having a rolling heart attack for about a month and kept telling myself it was musle strain, although I hear that Warren thinks it was his rap music that triggered the attack. No way Warren, although on second thought if it will  . . . .  And I survived so far.  Ive had a great life, and Im one dam lucky person. Getting tired and will post more some other time. Thanx for all the great wishes Snedeker This is starting to be an unpleasant trend. Take care and enjoy the opportunity to relax.  and follow the doctors orders, eh! Peter

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did i get that right; did you say you and "…the lovely massues"?  the hell with all that other bullshit–let’s hear about *that*! wayno, goin for the jugular

  You got that right Wayno. I took my girlfriend, who is a professional masseuse (strictly legit, sore muscles etc). Just what the doctor ordered after a hard day on the water; she also cooks and keeps a pretty tidy camp. The only drawback to having her along was that I seldom arose before 9:00 AM.

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Nice to hear from you personally David. Glad to hear you survived the ordeal.  Take your time and do some gentle fishing. Best wishes, regards, and tight lines! Mike Connor — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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[snip] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well so far. I was lucky it happened when and where it did. I got the best care you can , I figured I was already dead so nothing hurt too much, and I got a pocket full of nitro in case I need it. Turns out I was having a rolling heart attack for about a month and kept telling myself it was musle strain, although I hear that Warren thinks it was his rap music that triggered the attack. No way Warren, although on second thought if it will  . . . .  And I survived so far.  Ive had a great life, and Im one dam lucky person. Getting tired and will post more some other time. Thanx for all the great wishes Snedeker

This is starting to be an unpleasant trend. Take care and enjoy the opportunity to relax.  and follow the doctors orders, eh! Peter

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David Snedeker writes:

(nice stuff snipped) And I survived so far.  Ive had a great life, and Im one dam lucky person. Getting tired and will post more some other time. Thanx for all the great wishes Snedeker

Good for you, David.  Wish I could have been there with you.  Get well.. Dave LaCourse

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"David Snedeker" wrote 11. If you had it to do over again, what would you do differently? Quit smoking 20 years ago and learn to hate eggs.

Dave,    Glad you made it.  There is no time like the present to quit smoking and eating those high cholesterol and fatty foods.  It seems like all the things you like to eat are bad for you.  You can set an example for all the 200+ pounders on ROFF. Ernie

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Ok, so you attended the Western Conclave. You’re tired,…

Very you’re hungry,…

Very and you don’t have the time to post a week-long trip report

Very (???) 1. What days were you there?

Sat-Sat 2. Who did you fish with?

Bruce Bruiser Hopper, Warren, Willi Tight Line Loehman, and a bit with Ken, Bob Skinner and Ol’ Dan the Man Finn.  Have pics, will post. 3. Where did you fish?

Mostly the Madison (so much water!), but also Ruby, Beaver Head (huh huh), West Fork Madison, and a tiny private spring creek I got access to by being nice. 4. What water was most productive for you?

I netted big fish on the Beaver Head (:-) more later), but seriously, the Madison, most consistently below Ennis Lake. 5. What was your favorite fly?

Black Stonefly nymph, partly because all the fly shops said they wouldn’t work (I went in one shop and the bins with the size and style I wanted were empty, so I asked if they had more of em.  The guy said that he had in stock anything that I would want to use.)  I finally found what I was looking for at the True Value hardware store and went out and killed ‘em that day! 6. What was your most memorable fish?

First 2 are equal.  The very first fish I caught was a 17" brown from a spot that I worked *hard* to wade to, then it took off dowstream in heavy current. Then I had to work hard to wade *out*, this time fighting a fish, so I could get to a place I could net it. The second was a rising fish I saw in a quiet little braid in "the Channels". I cast and switched flies, and cast and switched angles, and switched flies and cast some more until I finally caught it.  Turned out to be an 8" brown, but still a great catch since I was so determned to get it. 7. Did HWMNBN make a public appearance?

Nope. 8. Did Ken and Vern get along?

Never talked AFAIK. 9. What did you win at the raffle?

Nothing!  They held it earlier than they said and I wasn’t back yet!  I gave my prize away.  Dang, I wanted a shot at that 8 ft 2 wt. 10. Where were you when Snedeker had the heart attack?

Telling him the size of the fish I just caught.  Sorry that was in bad taste – I’m joking only because I know he’s fine.  Enjoyed meeting Dave, had a nice chat with him about the fishing on the first day. 11. If you had it to do over again, what would you do differently?

Fish longer hours right from the start!  So much water! 12. Which ROFFian was the MOST like you thought they’d be? 13. Which ROFFian was the LEAST like you thought they’d be?

I honestly didn’t have any preconceived notions.  Sorry, boring answer.  Fun people though. Regards, Jeff

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<snip Snedeker

Congratulations on making it back to the computer.  Glad to year you’re all right.  Best of luck and a speedy recovery. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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   Glad you made it.  There is no time like the present to quit smoking and eating those high cholesterol and fatty foods.  It seems like all the things you like to eat are bad for you.  You can set an example for all the 200+ pounders on ROFF.

Ok, that does it!! Welcome to the new me. –Steve    2025

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…Thanx for the good wishes. Im alive and kicking. Need a few weeks to figure this deal out. See whats included and whats not. Im just resting and glad to be alive.

Sad news about your trouble Dave.  Good news about your survival.  I join the rest in best wishes for a full and speedy recovery.  A word of advice: don’t do that heart attack shit again; it ain’t good for you (let’s just see if we can get an argument about THAT!) Wolfgang

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   Glad you made it.  There is no time like the present to quit smoking and eating those high cholesterol and fatty foods.  It seems like all the things you like to eat are bad for you.  You can set an example for all the 200+ pounders on ROFF. Ok, that does it!! Welcome to the new me. –Steve    2025

"2025"? Yikes – that’s even more than three Marlon Brandos!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Glad you made it.  There is no time like the present to quit smoking and eating those high cholesterol and fatty foods.  It seems like all the things you like to eat are bad for you.  You can set an example for all the 200+ pounders on ROFF. Ok, that does it!! Welcome to the new me. –Steve    2025 "2025"? Yikes – that’s even more than three Marlon Brandos!

WOW!  2 Kilobrandos! or is that 20 Hectomarlons? R

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WOW!  2 Kilobrandos!

Apocalypse Now? — Charlie…

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1. What days were you there?

Arrived Sunday afternoon, left Thursday morning. 2. Who did you fish with?

Willi, Dan’l, Steve, Warren, Bob, JeffC. 3. Where did you fish?

Ruby, Madison, a lake I can’t name for fear of death & dismemberment by Warren and likewise a section of river I can’t name if I ever want to have Robin Cunningham guide me again. 4. What water was most productive for you?

The guided trip on Tuesday. 5. What was your favorite fly?

Elk hair caddis was most productive but I caught my biggest fish on a hopper. 6. What was your most memorable fish?

A whitefish on the Ruby, my first ever. 7. Did HWMNBN make a public appearance?

Nah, he hid behind Mary Dorsey’s skirts. 8. Did Ken and Vern get along?

Famously. Vern graciously offered the use of his pontoon so I could fish the alpine lake with Warren, Steve & Willi on Wednesday. Thanks again, Vern. 9. What did you win at the raffle?

Had already made reservations for Thursday & Friday in the Park way back in March, before the raffle day was set, so missed it. 10. Where were you when Snedeker had the heart attack?

Dave, Dan’l and I went into town to grab a bite of lunch, mail a postcard, have some film developed, get some maps and buy brimmed hats ’cause the tops of our ears were gettin’ fried in the brutal sun wearing just ball caps. "AH HAH !", says Kristine at this point in the narrative, "you were shopping. Three guys shopping, it’s a wonder any of you survived the experience." Humph, says I, were not either, we were BUYING, not shopping. Dave got into his van and drove to the clinic immediately upon our return to camp so I assume he was having a heart attack in the back seat of my Subaru, bummer, but all’s well that ends well. Dave, you’ll have to finish that ‘Clave painting from memory and post a photo. 11. If you had it to do over again, what would you do differently?

Stay all week. 12. Which ROFFian was the MOST like you thought they’d be? 13. Which ROFFian was the LEAST like you thought they’d be?

No surprises, really. Trip report to follow soon. — Ken Fortenberry

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 When Bob Skinner learned he lives along the route I drove, and at the halfway point, he opened up his home to me and the lovely massuese.

        did i get that right; did you say you and "…the lovely massues"?  the hell with all that other bullshit–let’s hear about *that*! wayno, goin for the jugular

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7. Did HWMNBN make a public appearance?     I assume you mean George.  Haven’t figured out the acronym, yet. Nope.

Bob, It’s from the "Harry Potter" book series and It stands for "He Who Must Not Be Named". The Character is Voldemort, an evil Wizard that uses his powers for evil instead of good and is always causing trouble for Harry Potter and his friends. Paul

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Steve Zimmerman wrote 1. What days were you there?

       Saturday through Friday 2. Who did you fish with?

       Just about everybody except Snedecker and Vern. 3. Where did you fish?

       The Madison, Jack Creek, Indian Creek, and the west fork of the Madison (my personal favorite). 4. What water was most productive for you?

       Jack Creek, where I didn’t even try to keep count. 5. What was your favorite fly?

       Took 90% of my fish on an elk hair caddis. 6. What was your most memorable fish?

       An 18" rainbow that I pulled out of Jack Creek, remarkable because the creek was so small. 7. Did HWMNBN make a public appearance?

       Not personally, but he sent an emissary bearing gifts. 8. Did Ken and Vern get along?

       Everybody got along splendidly, as long as Vern’s dog doesn’t count as a claver. 9. What did you win at the raffle?

       The 7 1/2′ Happy Hooker donated by George. Much more about this later. 10. Where were you when Snedeker had the heart attack?

         Fishing on Jack Creek. 11. If you had it to do over again, what would you do differently?

         I would of had the air conditioning on my truck fixed BEFORE driving 1700 miles. 12. Which ROFFian was the MOST like you thought they’d be?

         Dan’l. What a hoot. 13. Which ROFFian was the LEAST like you thought they’d be?

         Ken Fortenberry turned out to be the nicest, most considerate guy you’d ever want to meet. I suppose everybody turned out to be nicer than expected, especially compared to their on-line personalities.  Any one of these guys would’ve given you the shirt off his back. When Bob Skinner learned he lives along the route I drove, and at the halfway point, he opened up his home to me and the lovely massuese. We spent a fine evening together, then went and fished one of Bob’s secret spots this morning. Thanks Bob, and any roffer who finds himself in northern Colorado is just as welcome in my home. Even George.

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Ok, so you attended the Western Conclave. You’re tired, you’re hungry, and you don’t have the time to post a week-long trip report… So how’s about you answer this little survey in the meantime? Most of the questions can be answered in a few words. It’ll only take a minute 1. What days were you there?

     I arrived Mon. afternoon and left Friday a.m. 2. Who did you fish with?

     I spent most of my time with ‘ol Daniel, Willi and Charlie Wilson it seems.   3. Where did you fish?

     Madison, Ruby and Indian Creek 4. What water was most productive for you?

     They were all about the same for me, fair, by comparison to where I normally fish.   99% of my fishing is lake fishing and my knowledge of stream fishing is limited.  But, that knowledge was increased quite a bit by watching Willi fish.  Heck, that guy could pull a fish out of the back of my Jeep, I believe.  I really enjoyed watching him fish & learned a lot. 5. What was your favorite fly?

    I seemed to have the most luck with an elk hair caddis and beadhead pheasant tail 6. What was your most memorable fish?

    The best fish was the one I broke off in the Madison.   I’m just not used to playing a fish in moving water (or keeping my footing.  Didn’t get wet but it was close a few times.) 7. Did HWMNBN make a public appearance?

    I assume you mean George.  Haven’t figured out the acronym, yet. Nope. 8. Did Ken and Vern get along?

    I didn’t monitor the "companionship monitor":) 9. What did you win at the raffle?

     I won a box of "Holdzit" products: Tool Saver, floatant holders in double and single and a new product that holds a 35mm plastic film canister.  There were duplicates so I put the extras as an add-on on the raffle items so more folks would be exposed to the products. 10. Where were you when Snedeker had the heart attack?

   He was in the hospital when I arrived.  I did get to meet him, however.  As he took his keys with him and his wife flew into Billings, I drove to Billings & picked up his wife and drove her back to Ennis so she could pick up their van.  Dave looked good and was in good spirits. Had a nice visit on the way back to Ennis with his wife, Bonnie. 11. If you had it to do over again, what would you do differently?

   I would have drift boated the Madison.  You can only reach so much water when casting from close to shore.  And, as I’m not used to wading big streams (and the Madison looked really big to me) I would have been more comfortable in a boat (or pontoon). 12. Which ROFFian was the MOST like you thought they’d be?

   ’ol Daniel, I guess. 13. Which ROFFian was the LEAST like you thought they’d be?

   That’s easy.  Ken Fortenberry.  A pleasant surprise.  I really liked the left winger much to my surprise. (Dear Ken, I hope I didn’t destroy your image.  Steve asked and I had to respond:) Bonus questions (only one person need answer): (a) who won the bamboo rod and the Connor rod? (b) Is Snedeker going to be OK?

  Vern won the wonderful rod that you donated, Steve.  What a beautiful piece of work!  It was very generous of you to donate such a nice rod.   beautiful piece of work.  Charlie stopped by here on his way back to CO and I got to cast the rod.  It was a delight.  A 4 wt. (don’t remember how long) and a pretty rod.  I laid out 60-70 feet of line with out too much trouble.  Charlie will post more of a review when he gets back, I’ll bet.  Sorry, I can’t remember who won Mike’s rod but it too was a finally crafted rod.  I am really tickled that Steve, G and Mike would donate such fine rods, especially complicated to build bamboo rods. That’s way beyond the call of duty and is very generous.  It was fun to see the look on the winner’s faces.  Every winner was tickled silly. Bob Skinner  Buffalo, WY — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Ok, so you attended the Western Conclave. You’re tired, you’re hungry, and you don’t have the time to post a week-long trip report… So how’s about you answer this little survey in the meantime? Most of the questions can be answered in a few words. It’ll only take a minute 10. Where were you when Snedeker had the heart attack? Bonus questions (only one person need answer): (a) who won the bamboo rod and the Connor rod? (b) Is Snedeker going to be OK?

Holy…..!  He actually had a heart attack?  I saw something about it, but thought it was some joke I didn’t have time to catch up on… If so, add my name to the list sending good wishes. TC, R

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Ok, so you attended the Western Conclave. You’re tired, you’re hungry, and you don’t have the time to post a week-long trip report… So how’s about you answer this little survey in the meantime? Most of the questions can be answered in a few words. It’ll only take a minute 1. What days were you there? 2. Who did you fish with? 3. Where did you fish? 4. What water was most productive for you? 5. What was your favorite fly? 6. What was your most memorable fish? 7. Did HWMNBN make a public appearance? 8. Did Ken and Vern get along? 9. What did you win at the raffle? 10. Where were you when Snedeker had the heart attack? 11. If you had it to do over again, what would you do differently? 12. Which ROFFian was the MOST like you thought they’d be? 13. Which ROFFian was the LEAST like you thought they’d be? Bonus questions (only one person need answer): (a) who won the bamboo rod and the Connor rod? (b) Is Snedeker going to be OK? –Steve

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I called Scott at 7:15 yesterday morning and got his answering machine. The

cut out the other stuff so it wouldn’t piss me off any more The sun was a fiery ball touching the mountains as I was driving home. As often as I fish, today was so incredibly perfect that will remain with me for the rest of my life. bruce

As Dr. Hook once said "Beautiful". Wish I was there big Al

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I called Scott at 7:15 yesterday morning and got his answering machine. The weather forcast said 47 degrees and partly cloudy. Damn, I wanted to go fishing! I Gave Scott twenty minutes and called again. This time he picked up on the second ring. "I knew it was you, he said". " I was just watching the weather channel so I knew you’d be calling."  We agreed to meet at his place in an hour. Rushing around the house, I threw a quick lunch together, grabbed my gear,and kissed my wife as I headed out the door. I noticed that the trees were starting to bud out along the river, hinting of spring just a week away as I zoomed down the interstate to meet Scott at our appointed time. We decided to float from Holter dam to Craig, hoping that the trout would be rising to midges in some of our favorite spots. If not we would fish streamers until we found rising fish. After running our shuttle we were finally on the water! Since we took Scott’s boat, I offered to row first, which he readily accepted. Floating quietly down the river I was intoxicated by the fresh smell of the Missouri as the geese honked indignantly at our passing. Everywhere were signs of spring. The greening of the willows, The myriads of ducks and geese already pairing up for nesting and the eagles screaming from the cliffs overhead. We found a pod of nice trout rising to midge emergers on a seam next to a gravel bar behind an island. Scott was using a Griffiths gnat with a wd40 emerger as a dropper. I elected to start off with a size twenty sparkle midge pattern without a dropper. Scott was fast into a 15 inch rainbow. After his third fish, I dropped my purist ways and tied on a red brassie as a dropper and in three casts was onto a fish of my own. We were able to coax a couple more fish to the fly before deciding to move on. Things slowed down for a while so we switched to streamers.  we caught a couple more  fish on brown woolybuggers but the dry fly action had stopped for the time being. The day slipped by all to quickly as we drifted down this magnificent river. We reflected on fishing trips in the past and planned trips for the future. I reminded Scott of the Skwala hatch on the Dearborn next month and the Salmon fly hatch on a small stream we keep quiet about.  All to soon we were within sight of Craig and the end of our day. " Let’s go check out that back channel above the rocks." I suggested.  Scott manuvered the boat quietly into the backwater. Two really nice fish were sipping midges just at the limits of my casting ability. The water was perfectly calm reflecting the sky and mountains in a tapestry of springtime colors. On my fifth cast the fly landed perfectly. Without hesitation,the trout poked his head out of the water and delicately plucked my "gnat" from the surface. "That’s enough for me" I told Scott as I released the chrome colored beauty. "You fish the rest of the way out." As we floated the last half mile Scott hooked and released seven trout including a beautiful nineteen inch brown. All on a woolybugger that had a blown hackle trailing behind it. "Hey if it works why change!" He laughed. The sun was a fiery ball touching the mountains as I was driving home. As often as I fish, today was so incredibly perfect that will remain with me for the rest of my life. bruce

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Hi, Intested to know if there is some good trout streams within a 1 to 2 hour drive of Cheyenne.  I maybe moving there and would like to know in advance if there are trout out and about. Thanks

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There is some great lake fishing for trout within a short distance, just outside of Laramie. The Laramie is not bad, the Poudre and Big Thomson rivers in Colorado are good, and you will also be fairly near the North Platte Miracle Mile and Greys Reef sections, which can be awesome. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Intested to know if there is some good trout streams within a 1 to 2 hour drive of Cheyenne.  I maybe moving there and would like to know in advance if there are trout out and about. Thanks

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:45:46 -0600, c…@inav.net (Ken Wessels) wrote: >In article <5inhga…@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, pa…@cus.cam.ac.uk (Aldabra >Stoddart) wrote: >> In article <01bc4635$caf9a2a0$9b250e26@wierwolf>, >> mail.earthlink.net <wierw…@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >I know this may sound terible but it is not unusual.  I love my wife and >> >kids, but my wife has lost her need (bored) for sex.  Are there any married >> >women out there in a simular situation? >> Before you get involved in affairs, read alt.support.divorce for a few >> weeks (but skip the child-support and alimony threads);  these things can >> blow up very nastily.  Once you know what you’re getting into, if you >> still want to go ahead the honest thing to do would be to clear this with >> your wife in advance (if you haven’t already).  If you daren’t tell her you >> want to cheat on her you probably haven’t done all you could to revive >> the marriage. >> — >>               Aldabra Stoddart, St John’s & HPS, Cambridge >>                 "My inner child is a kiwi fruit" — G.S. >  You didn’t answer this guys’ question. But perhaps it doesn’t need >answering.

It did not really require answering.  Of course their are women out there in similar circumstances >The fact is that finding someone to romance with isn’t like a >shopping trip and in the "rat race" of the USA I don’t see how anyone >could find time!

Rat race?  Yes, it can be.  Which is why I shifted work goals.  Not so much money, but enough.  I have decided that the $28,000 car is not all that more uncomfortable than the $60,000 car.  I no longer have arguments with a peer group who spent much of their time stressed and unhappy.  Now, I actually have time to be with my wife and kids.  I can go fishing, play with my 3 dogs, talk to a friend instead of a business associate, and watch the bluejays fly about my yard. I think many of the problems that occur in marriages revolve around work.  A person must earn a living to eat and provide shelter. But I am thinking of a couple I saw a few weeks ago.  I was having lunch with my lawyer, a matter of my mother’s living will, and we were watching a couple at the next table.  About 30, I would say at a glance.  They spent the whole lunch rapidly trying to exchange information.  The kid’s schedule, day care problem, dentist appointment, etc.  Talked very quickly, glancing at watches often. They were interrupted from time to time by a beeper or cell phone call.  The food was very good but I don’t think they noticed.  At one point they bickered loudly over money.  I thought this was curious as both were dressed expensively in the latest style,  she was wearing a great deal of jewelry, and both had arrived, separately, in expensive cars. In comes another couple.  Man arrives in his work truck, a repairman of some type, jeans and flannel shirt a little worn.  Wife shows up in a Voyager, not new, with 3 kids.  All well but modestly dressed.  A family meeting for lunch.  Big thing for the kids.  They squealed and ran to Dad who grabbed them.  All sat and chatted about unimportant things.  You know, who had fell and skinned a knee, when could they go to the amusement park, etc.  While ordering their meal there was discussion about keeping it simple as mom didn’t want the price to be too high.  The mom and dad chatted quietly together while the kids ate,  couldn’t hear what they were saying but they were holding hands and exchanged small kisses several times. The first couple, glanced at the family a couple of times in annoyance, the children were happily loud.  And as the father passed there table at one point, I saw them both glance at his work boots which were well worn and needed some polish desparately. When the first couple got up to leave, they quickly pecked each other on the lips then walked, each in their own direction without glancing back at the other.  In a hurry.   My lawyer commented to me that he not once, in listening to their conversation, heard them actually talk to each other about each other. He told me that after lunch, he was cancelling some appointments.  He had decided he wanted to go home and see his wife.  No particular reason, just wanted to see her.  We have known each other for some time.  He commented that he still had an old flannel shirt in his closet and wondered if it still fit. Sometimes we create our own rat race. >   However, you imply that divorce, alimony and child support will follow >such a romance. That is a "scare tactic" and many people are never found >out in these extra marita romances, especially the women.

I don’t believe the person meant any scare tactic.  Just being realistic.  A very old and simple statement is ‘If you plan to play, you should plan to pay.’ True some people are not found out.  Others are.  But how much does a person want to gamble for some sex?  I love to have sex but there is only so far I would go for something which only lasts an hour or so. I remember one lady I met on a trip to Hawaii many years ago when I was single.  She had a minor role in a movie being filmed.  She was very beautiful and sexy…and she knew it.  Why she picked me I don’t know, I suspect that I just happened to be in the right place at the right time.  Besides her looks, she was a very horny person and for three days, when she was not otherwise occupied we had sex at every opportunity and she had no inhibitions at all. The sex was fantastic.  I very much enjoyed it.  But after 3 days I changed my travel plans and left.  The problem was that I couldn’t stand the woman, except in bed.  I hated very time she spoke.  She was shallow, full of venom about others with whom she worked,  babbled on continuously about her hair and figure and how much time she had spent on them.  She complained about every nitpicking thing possible.  She told me repeatedly that I was a great lover but I was pretty sure that when she was away from me she probably told jokes about my pitiful efforts and shortcomings. Good sex wasn’t worth that much to me.  I flew to San Diego where I met a woman who was married, on a business trip, and lonely.  She was at the same hotel as I and wanted suggestions about things to see in San Diego.  I think she also wanted someone to talk with.  We spent quite some time here and there when she was not in meetings.  She was very easily impressed with the sights about town, bragged continuously about her husband and children.  Laughed as she told me about his many faults, which she considered cute.  Complained that she felt that she could be a better business woman if only she tried harder.  Dwelled sadly on the fact that she was overweight and was amazed that her husband didn’t seem to notice.  She confessed to me that she wished she was a better lover for her husband.  He never complained but she knew that her skills were poor.  She talked about this in depth one evening when she had too many drinks.  From the descriptions,  she had room for improvement. Too tipsy, we were talking in her room, she made it clear that she was both horny and interested in learning something new to surprise her husband with back home.  I put her off as gently as possible and instead gave her a back massage until she fell asleep.  She was embarassed the next day but I consoled her and took her to lunch before her plane left. I couldn’t take advantage of her.  It probably would not have harmed their marriage in any way.  I doubt that he would have ever known or suspected.  I rejected her offer for selfish reasons.  I found this woman so enormously sexy and arousing that I knew that if I had accepted her offer,  I would not have wanted to let her go again.  She would have had to reject me, and she would have after the sex no matter how much she might have enjoyed it,  because she had too many other good things back at home.  She would have gotten over it, my heart would have broken. This is a true story.  To this day I remember the second woman’s name and details.  I don’t remember the first woman’s name at all.  It has been 28 years. Great sex can be found in many places.  A great person is much harder to find. Just an opinion, Bob By the way,  I agree with the responder who expressed the opinion that extra marrital sex can be a workable solution, for some people, a very few, in a strong marriage.  If both partners are agreeable.  Without these things, you take your risks, and are fully deserving of the consequences.  Don’t complain here.  Try ALT.DIVORCE.I-DESERVE-THIS.OUCH.OUCH.OUCH or the ever popular alt.spurt.spurt.sigh.how-long-should-i-wait-before-leaving

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In article <5inhga…@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, pa…@cus.cam.ac.uk (Aldabra – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Stoddart) wrote: > In article <01bc4635$caf9a2a0$9b250e26@wierwolf>, > mail.earthlink.net <wierw…@earthlink.net> wrote: > >I know this may sound terible but it is not unusual.  I love my wife and > >kids, but my wife has lost her need (bored) for sex.  Are there any married > >women out there in a simular situation? > Before you get involved in affairs, read alt.support.divorce for a few > weeks (but skip the child-support and alimony threads);  these things can > blow up very nastily.  Once you know what you’re getting into, if you > still want to go ahead the honest thing to do would be to clear this with > your wife in advance (if you haven’t already).  If you daren’t tell her you > want to cheat on her you probably haven’t done all you could to revive > the marriage. > — >               Aldabra Stoddart, St John’s & HPS, Cambridge >                 "My inner child is a kiwi fruit" — G.S.

  You didn’t answer this guys’ question. But perhaps it doesn’t need answering. The fact is that finding someone to romance with isn’t like a shopping trip and in the "rat race" of the USA I don’t see how anyone could find time!    However, you imply that divorce, alimony and child support will follow such a romance. That is a "scare tactic" and many people are never found out in these extra marita romances, especially the women. — visit me @ http://members.aol.com/cydonia102/private/ken.html

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>But the sex, when we have it is still very enjoyable.  And one of my >favorite joys is just seeing her pleasure.  I desire it more often >than we have it but there is a cure for this.  Ever hear of >masturbation?

I love how to-the-point you are. heh…yeah, if his urges cannot be met by masturbation then they obviously extend further than the sex drive – it could mean he has deep seated real problems with the marriage, or there has been a decrease in intimacy and not just sex. MG

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On 12 Apr 1997 08:35:22 GMT, pa…@cus.cam.ac.uk (Aldabra Stoddart) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->In article <01bc4635$caf9a2a0$9b250e26@wierwolf>, >mail.earthlink.net <wierw…@earthlink.net> wrote: >>I know this may sound terible but it is not unusual.  I love my wife and >>kids, but my wife has lost her need (bored) for sex.  Are there any married >>women out there in a simular situation? >Before you get involved in affairs, read alt.support.divorce for a few >weeks (but skip the child-support and alimony threads);  these things can >blow up very nastily.  Once you know what you’re getting into, if you >still want to go ahead the honest thing to do would be to clear this with >your wife in advance (if you haven’t already).  If you daren’t tell her you >want to cheat on her you probably haven’t done all you could to revive >the marriage. >– >              Aldabra Stoddart, St John’s & HPS, Cambridge >                "My inner child is a kiwi fruit" — G.S.

You are correct IMHO. My first response to this post included no such alternative. Masturbation is my alternative solution if nothing else can be worked out to increase desire on her part.  Simply because the chances of severe problems with the other answer are so great.  And I have found that there are too many people who, once they hear such an alternative,  immediately jump into it as a solution. I have known a few couples for which it worked.  Where a wife or husband sought additonal sex outside the marriage.  In these cases, where it worked,  it was always an agreement between partners.  And, in the situations that I am aware of,  the problem was due to a difference in sex drives.  Not a matter of simple dissatisfaction with performance or effort. For instance one friend of mine was very happily married to a lady who enjoyed sex when she was in the mood.  Unfortunately, for him,  once a month was enough for her.  The once a month kept her happy, satisfied her needs and she was very happy with his performance. She was well aware that he wanted more and would cooperate in his need out of love for him.  However, she was well aware that although he didn’t complain,  sex was not the same when one partner is merely cooperating. In the end, she solved the problem.  She found a willing female friend and arranged the match and meetings.  Who this female friend was and the motivation for her, I don’t know, I never asked,  I felt that it was not my business.  Although I probably would have been told if I asked.  We were very good friends. This sort of thing is not the usual ‘cheating’ game. However, although I am in sort of the same circumstance with my wife who has a disability.  I do not find, personally, that such an arrangement is an acceptable one.  Although, to be frank, she has brought up the subject and told me she would understand.  I can’t do it.  I love her very much and don’t want to have the feelings with another women that I share with my wife.  I know that inevitably my emotions would be split.  I don’t enjoy sex without emotional exchange. This would not cause me to feel less for my wife. But I don’t want to share my emotions, at that level, with anyone else.  My own decision.  Not necessarily the only right one for someone else. Just my thoughts, Bob

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In article <01bc4635$caf9a2a0$9b250e26@wierwolf>, mail.earthlink.net <wierw…@earthlink.net> wrote: >I know this may sound terible but it is not unusual.  I love my wife and >kids, but my wife has lost her need (bored) for sex.  Are there any married >women out there in a simular situation?

Before you get involved in affairs, read alt.support.divorce for a few weeks (but skip the child-support and alimony threads);  these things can blow up very nastily.  Once you know what you’re getting into, if you still want to go ahead the honest thing to do would be to clear this with your wife in advance (if you haven’t already).  If you daren’t tell her you want to cheat on her you probably haven’t done all you could to revive the marriage. —               Aldabra Stoddart, St John’s & HPS, Cambridge                 "My inner child is a kiwi fruit" — G.S.

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On 11 Apr 1997 05:00:12 GMT, "mail.earthlink.net" <wierw…@earthlink.net> wrote: >I know this may sound terible but it is not unusual.  I love my wife and >kids, but my wife has lost her need (bored) for sex.  Are there any married >women out there in a simular situation?

I could not pass this up without a comment. Is your marriage based only on sex? My wife is partially disabled and although she is capable of enjoying sex, her need for it is much diminished and the pain caused by the muscle contractions when she climaxes cause her to limit this activity. But the sex, when we have it is still very enjoyable.  And one of my favorite joys is just seeing her pleasure.  I desire it more often than we have it but there is a cure for this.  Ever hear of masturbation? Bob

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I know this may sound terible but it is not unusual.  I love my wife and kids, but my wife has lost her need (bored) for sex.  Are there any married women out there in a simular situation?

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Comparaduns are a style of fly, i.e. no hackle, and the Hendrickson is a particular design to match either the Ephemerella subvaria as a Light Hendrickson, or the Ephemerella X , as the dark pattern. Check Al Caucci’s homepage at www.mayfly.com for comparadun info he invented the things. jg

Caucci may have coined the term "comparadun," but I believe the style of fly (no hackle with hair wing) was developed by Fran Betters as the "Haystack."  Either way, it’s a pattern that works when standard Catskill ties don’t. Michael

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Comparaduns are a style of fly, i.e. no hackle, and the Hendrickson is a particular design to match either the Ephemerella subvaria as a Light Hendrickson, or the Ephemerella X , as the dark pattern. Check Al Caucci’s homepage at www.mayfly.com for comparadun info he invented the things. jg

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I am both a novice fly fisherman and fly tyer.  I am looking for a good recipe for a comparadun pattern and a Hendrickson pattern.  Preferably the patterns will be relative to the Michigan/Great Lakes region and the recipes will also come with tying instructions.  I realize that this may sound a little demanding but I am very much a novice fly tyer. I would also be forever grateful. thanx. NEWFISHBOY  

Post this same message to: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying B.

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 I am both a novice fly fisherman and fly tyer.  I am looking for a good  recipe for a comparadun pattern and a Hendrickson pattern.

Those are in many of the soft-bound books on the market.  Check your local flyshop.

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I am both a novice fly fisherman and fly tyer.  I am looking for a good recipe for a comparadun pattern and a Hendrickson pattern.  Preferably the patterns will be relative to the Michigan/Great Lakes region and the recipes will also come with tying instructions.  I realize that this may sound a little demanding but I am very much a novice fly tyer. I would also be forever grateful. thanx. NEWFISHBOY  

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Please send me your free catalog: Mark Cattalani 86 Verndale St. Brookline, MA 02146

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I work for a publishing company that specializes in fishing books. We have a free full color catalog with over 200 fishing related titles. Our main focus is in fly fishing and fly tying. To order a free catalog: e-mail me;         -or- write; Frank Amato Publications P.O. Box 82112 Portland, OR  97282         -or- call; 1-800-541-9498                                 Tight Lines,                                 Jeff Findley                                 Frank Amato Publications

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I work for a publishing company that specializes in fishing books. We have a free full color catalog with over 200 fishing related titles. Our main focus is in fly fishing and fly tying. To order a free catalog: e-mail me;    -or- write; Frank Amato Publications P.O. Box 82112 Portland, OR  97282    -or- call; 1-800-541-9498                            Tight Lines,                            Jeff Findley                            Frank Amato Publications

Great idea!  Thanks for posting this – these are the people who published the Curtis Creek Manifesto, among many others, and therefore deserve our undying gratitude! Tim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I work for a publishing company that specializes in fishing books. We have a free full color catalog with over 200 fishing related titles. Our main focus is in fly fishing and fly tying. To order a free catalog: e-mail me;    -or- write; Frank Amato Publications P.O. Box 82112 Portland, OR  97282    -or- call; 1-800-541-9498                            Tight Lines,                            Jeff Findley                            Frank Amato Publications

Please send your free catalogue to: Nelson Bussey Woodstock, White Bay, Newfoundland, Canada AOK 5XO

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I work for a publishing company that specializes in fishing books. We have a free full color catalog with over 200 fishing related titles. Our main focus is in fly fishing and fly tying. To order a free catalog: e-mail me;        -or- write; Frank Amato Publications P.O. Box 82112 Portland, OR  97282        -or- call; 1-800-541-9498                                Tight Lines,                                Jeff Findley                                Frank Amato Publications Please send your free catalogue to: Nelson Bussey Woodstock, White Bay, Newfoundland, Canada AOK 5XO

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There seems to be some debate as to whether an Orvis rod warranty can be transferred with the sale of a rod.  Does it only apply to the original owner?  This would seem foolish as Orvis shouldn’t really care.  A warranty such as their one of 25 years is an implication of faith in their products, not the purchasers.  I am looking at buying a used rod and would greatly appreciate any feedback (perhaps from Orvis or a dealer?).   Thank you. Paul Tickner

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Orvis: built to last, not to cast. Just kidding guys.. Frankie

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I recently sold an Orvis rod, and carefully read the warranty card.  It indicated that the 25yr warranty was only good for the original owner. Hope this helps Rich There seems to be some debate as to whether an Orvis rod warranty can be transferred with the sale of a rod.  Does it only apply to the original owner?  This would seem foolish as Orvis shouldn’t really care.  A warranty such as their one of 25 years is an implication of faith in their products, not the purchasers.  I am looking at buying a used rod and would greatly appreciate any feedback (perhaps from Orvis or a dealer?).   Thank you. Paul Tickner

– Rich Miyara 74 Anderson Hill Enfield NH  03748 Phone:  (603) 650-7827 wk Home:   (603) 632-4090 hm (bef. 9PM ET)

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Sage is the same (i.e. warranty good for original owner only).

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I’ve broken my Orvis Rocky Mtn. 4pc 4 wt. 3 times in 3 different sections in the last year and a half, got them all repaired or more like replaced, didn’t spend a dime, well $5 for shipping. I’m sold on the 25 yr. warranty, as to whether it’s built to last or to cast…. it’s up to you, but it’s sure nice to have a rod that you can treated like a real fishing equipment rather than a piece of heirloom that you might damage on the stream, which i think sure takes the fun out of fishing…….

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Sorry- Orvis rod guarantees only apply to orginal owners of the rod. I know because I just bought a new orvis and thats what ist said on the warranty. I bet that you could just get the person who sold you the rod to trade it in forr you though- or just have them brake it before they sell it to you so you can start out with a new rod. I would not assume that orvis would like this- but it is a no questions asked guarante. tight lines! -matt

: There seems to be some debate as to whether an Orvis rod warranty can be : transferred with the sale of a rod.  Does it only apply to the original : owner?  This would seem foolish as Orvis shouldn’t really care.  A : warranty such as their one of 25 years is an implication of faith in their : products, not the purchasers.  I am looking at buying a used rod and would : greatly appreciate any feedback (perhaps from Orvis or a dealer?).   : Thank you. : Paul Tickner

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I’ve broken my Orvis Rocky Mtn. 4pc 4 wt. 3 times in 3 different sections in the last year and a half, [snip] it’s sure nice to have a rod that you can treated like a real fishing equipment rather than a piece of heirloom that you might damage on the stream, which i think sure takes the fun out of fishing…….

Then again, one should treat a nice graphite rod as something other than a walking stick!!  A nice graphite rod is a delicate and wonderful tool, and deserves better than to be whipped mercilessly upon the water and beat against every stream bank and overhanging tree limb in sight!!! ___ Bob Scott  WY7O | Roses are red, Violets are blue

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Then again, one should treat a nice graphite rod as something other than a walking stick!!  A nice graphite rod is a delicate and wonderful tool, and deserves better than to be whipped mercilessly upon the water and beat against every stream bank and overhanging tree limb in sight!!!

Unless it is an Orvis! Frankie

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I’ve broken my Orvis Rocky Mtn. 4pc 4 wt. 3 times in 3 different sections in the last year and a half, got them all repaired or more like replaced, didn’t spend a dime, well $5 for shipping. I’m sold on the 25 yr. warranty, as to whether it’s built to last or to cast…. it’s up to you, but it’s sure nice to have a rod that you can treated like a real fishing equipment rather than a piece of heirloom that you might damage on the stream, which i think sure takes the fun out of fishing…….

St Croix, (I can hear some of you moaning already) has the same guarantee. I just broke a Premier Graphite 8′ 4-wt.  Called St Croix, explained what had happened (involves my wife, my fly-rod and the basement door), they said to mail it to them with a check for $5.00 shipping and handling and they would replace it.  Came three days ago…brand new…pretty as can be. Now if only the rivers would thaw….      I’m sorry but my karma is broken, anyone know a good mechanic?

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I bought an Orvis d"demo" rod from a dealer, and proceeded to splinter the tip of the rod as well as rot out the reel seat. I was never asked by Orvis to provide proof of original ownership, and had the rod replaced immediately. In fact, Orvis did not have any similar rods in stock, and allowed me to purchase a replacement rod myself, which I was credited for upon them receiving the original damage goods.

: Sorry- Orvis rod guarantees only apply to orginal owners of the rod. I : know because I just bought a new orvis and thats what ist said on the : warranty. I bet that you could just get the person who sold you the rod : to trade it in forr you though- or just have them brake it before they : sell it to you so you can start out with a new rod. I would not assume : that orvis would like this- but it is a no questions asked guarante. : tight lines! : -matt

: : There seems to be some debate as to whether an Orvis rod warranty can be : : transferred with the sale of a rod.  Does it only apply to the original : : owner?  This would seem foolish as Orvis shouldn’t really care.  A : : warranty such as their one of 25 years is an implication of faith in their : : products, not the purchasers.  I am looking at buying a used rod and would : : greatly appreciate any feedback (perhaps from Orvis or a dealer?).   : : Thank you. : : Paul Tickner

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Amen.  I just recently picked up the habit, and dove right in with a Rocky Mountain 6 wt, 4 piece.  I’m relieved to hear that they back it up the way they claim. Also, I agree that fishing is more enjoyable without breaks to clear ice from the guides. If have any recommended streams in the southeast, drop a line.  I spend a lot of time in NC and the mountains of VA. Evan

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: I am looking for a list of Fly Fishing Shops across the country Have you seen the Phonelist FAQ.  It has over 800 numbers and was posted here a couple weeks ago.  I’ll post it again tonight or tomorrow. Marty

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I am looking for a list of Fly Fishing Shops across the country and Canada.  I do quite a bit of traveling, and feel that this would be quite handy. Thank You, Scott

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