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Zimbo I always have a keychain size compass. Im not the type to rely on a GPS in any case. I want my survival gear to be fail-safe reliable and small/lite enough so that its always there. Fact is that the only time Ive been lost in the woods was on my home island – within 3 miles of my house! (The second growth can be pretty dense sometimes under a double canopy, with the first canopy over your head, you can loose your bearing.) The keyring compass is also handy doing dead reckoning in metro areas. My .02 Dave

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I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places. I’m not immediately in the market, but a handheld GPS is one of those "someday" toys on my list along with binoculars and a waterproof digital camera. So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc. –Steve

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 In my opinion.  If you have to rely on electronic "gadgets" to save your worthless behind in the bush you need to stay home.A better 300 bucks would be spent in a map reading class with a field trip for a test.Never substitute knowledge with gadgetry. —  Don Thompson Another of the Thompson Boys

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places. I’m not immediately in the market, but a handheld GPS is one of those "someday" toys on my list along with binoculars and a waterproof digital camera. So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc. –Steve

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I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places.

I have a GPS III+ and use it when kayaking, and an occasional hike. I have the Garmin US topo software and it has proven to be pretty reliable, at least away from metro areas where constant terraforming is underway. I also have the Roads and Recreation CD that I use on occasion when driving. — Charlie…

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I have a XL12 I use to get myself back on top of the best crabbing spots. Other than that it’s a toy for entertainment. It’s great for cross country navigation but I would hate to depend on it as my primary methos for getting home!

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So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc.

They’re great little toys (mine is anyway).   I know the exact coordinates of my house & office; I’ve checked it against my car speedometer, I even programmed in the coordinates of Foscoe, NC just for fun before my trip to the Spring Fling. That said, I have used it on occasion as a genuine navigational tool.   Each time in Maine (it’s really the only place I go with a decent chance of getting lost). I’ve saved a few waypoints to mark the turns on those logging roads, and once to mark some nasty rock outcroppings (or the route in between) on Moosehead Lake.   For a mere C-note, it’s a fun toy; but I haven’t gone the mapping software route yet. Joe F.

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 Nah,  I dead recon, Go shanks Mare,Drink from vines,Wipe my behind with corncobs. grin —  Don Thompson Another of the Thompson Boys

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well shoot don…. why doncha tell us how you really feel? do you use a compass? drive a car? canteen? toilet paper? it’s all gadgetry… –waldo

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: I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking : in and out of places. Away from work I’m a neo-luddite and try to avoid technology. But I agree with others in that I would not get a GPS in order to use it as your primary location finder. A compass and map should do that. Lately I’ve been using standard BLM maps (1:100K?) which aren’t the best but are cheap and have not gotten me lost…

the problem with gps’s when are that they do not give good readings on headings unless one is moving.  they are great for finding the exact spot you are standing on… but i would not be caught dead without a compass and only using a gps to get me out of trouble in the woods.  you really do need a compass in conjunction with a gps for the woods. chris

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New Hardy  or a GPS? I took the Bougle. If I pick up a boat this summer to fish for stripers I’ll get one but otherwise I don’t a GPS. Paul P.S. See the hat.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Paul Goodwin writes: I’ve thought about getting one for a few years but can’t seem to justify it. Interpretation:  "My wife won’t let me buy one."    <g Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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it’s all gadgetry… Toilet paper has saved my ass many times…

POTW! /daytripper (And it’s only Monday!)

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Steve, I am a forester.  I make my living in the woods.  My dad a year ago thought a GPS would be a great gift for Christmas for me.  You’d think it would be, but I never use the thing.  I am comfortable enough with a map and compass to do what I need to do.  I imagine if i was a boater, trolling in a big place like Lake Ontario, I could use the thing, but in its box it stays. Peter Collin

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it’s all gadgetry…

Toilet paper has saved my ass many times… — Charlie…

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Paul Goodwin writes: I’ve thought about getting one for a few years but can’t seem to justify it.

Interpretation:  "My wife won’t let me buy one."    <g Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Paul Goodwin writes: I’ve thought about getting one for a few years but can’t seem to justify it. Interpretation:  "My wife won’t let me buy one."    <g

Mine won’t let me out the door without mine.      - Ken

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Paul Goodwin writes: I’ve thought about getting one for a few years but can’t seem to justify it. Interpretation:  "My wife won’t let me buy one."    <g Mine won’t let me out the door without mine.      - Ken

lmao…. mine won’t *let* me have one <g waldo

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Steve, Take a look at the new eMap from Garmin.  Much smaller than the GPS III+ and is a perfect fit in the fishing vest.  As others have pointed out you can use it to save positions of favorite holes, locations, etc.  It should never be depended upon as your ultimate means of navigation. You can upload/download waypoints from other fisherman on new spots, parking locations, a whole plethora of fishing information.   For software, take a look at OziExplorer.  www.ozieplorer.com, Fugawi, www.fugawi.com or you can use the MapSource CD’s from Garmin. Good luck, Paul www.troutmaps.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places. I’m not immediately in the market, but a handheld GPS is one of those "someday" toys on my list along with binoculars and a waterproof digital camera. So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc. –Steve

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 In my opinion.  If you have to rely on electronic "gadgets" to save your worthless behind in the bush you need to stay home.A better 300 bucks would be spent in a map reading class with a field trip for a test.Never substitute knowledge with gadgetry. —  Don Thompson

well shoot don…. why doncha tell us how you really feel? do you use a compass? drive a car? canteen? toilet paper? it’s all gadgetry… –waldo

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 If you have to rely on electronic "gadgets" to save your worthless behind in the bush you need to stay home.A better 300 bucks would be spent in a map reading class with a field trip for a test.Never substitute knowledge with gadgetry. do you use a compass? drive a car? canteen? toilet paper?

Gosh, perhaps in retrospect I was a bit too fast on the trigger when I killfiled Donny boy a few days ago when I was weeding out cross-posters. My apologies. And, BTW, Don, if you have to rely on prescription "gadgets" to save your worthless sex life you need to get out more. –Steve

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I’ve thought about getting one for a few years but can’t seem to justify it. The one time I wish I had one I was in a friends boat on the Merrimack River. In a matter of minutes we went from clear shies to <50′ visibility. Since we knew where we were, had a chart and a compass we were able to get back across. We then anchored within site of the ramp and watched the CG escort boats in for the next couple hours. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places. I’m not immediately in the market, but a handheld GPS is one of those "someday" toys on my list along with binoculars and a waterproof digital camera. So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc. –Steve

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You obviously need a tattoo ! TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking

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I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places.

Absolutely. First off, don’t use a GPS as a replacement for basic map and compass skills, and always try to improve upon your own intuitive navigation skills. That said, I have a collection of digitized USGS maps and DeLorme maps and will often download important waypoints into my GPS before heading out, and I certainly take GPS readings at points of discovery in the field so I can later upload them and see exactly where I was. In Oregon, I generally use a GPS to find shorter routes into/outof an area. With so many trees and hills, it is easy to get "turned around" and stray. On a trip with my wife in Alaska, we pre-marked where all the creeks within a 5 mile radius of our houseboat in Prince William Sound (Port Gravina) were, and when we buzzed around in a 15-hp motorboat, we were constantly amazed at how we could *not* "see" or intuit where a creek was flowing into the bay, but the GPS led us to each creek mouth and thousands of salmon without fail. I also use a GPS during spawning/habitat surveys with the State and Federal agencies.  It is also becoming very handy to be able to report things to the state/federal agencies when accompanied by a lat/long. I own the Garmin 12XL, and recommend Garmin simply because you can hold and operate them with one hand because the buttons are up top. Buy a simple cable and some mapping software, and you’re set. Thomas Gilg

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I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places. I’m not immediately in the market, but a handheld GPS is one of those "someday" toys on my list along with binoculars and a waterproof digital camera. So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc.

Yes, I have a GPS and use it regularly.  Magellan 315 if I remember correctly. They are not toys and can be invaluable if used properly.  Properly being IN ADDITION to a map and compass. A GPS is NOT a substitute for map skills. I have no real advice on mapping software, I just use any standard topographic maps with lat/long  markings on them. I almost always have my GPS on me when hiking (especially when alone).  Get to the trailhead and mark a waypoint.  Get to any remotely confusing section and set another waypoint.  With a good map and reasonable skills, it’s "nearly" impossible to get lost.   One thing to keep in mind is that in thick forests you can lose contact with all satellites and your GPS becomes useless.  You have to find a clearing to get a reading. I also find a GPS useful when driving off-road.  I spend a lot of time looking for old fire lookout stations when all you have is the coordinates on an old map.  Finding the lookouts is tricky, but navigating your way back out is tough too.  My GPS has saved me hours of driving around lost in the woods. My $0.02, take it for what it’s worth,      - Ken

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I have been with Tom Brown when he has used his GPS III+ to see where we were on Little Wilsons or to determine the elevation of a point.  I’d like to have one simply because it provides an interesting reference.  I like it…and, I think it could help locate points or distances.  I say git you one…and let’s try it out over the other side of Fontana on Eagle Creek or Enkaneetlah one weekend. …btw…package just arrived.  whew, i was beginning to worry.  i’m planning on using it this friday with op and walt on one of my favorite backwoods streams… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places. I’m not immediately in the market, but a handheld GPS is one of those "someday" toys on my list along with binoculars and a waterproof digital camera. So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc. –Steve

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I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places.

No, I prefer not to use them – see below. I’m not immediately in the market, but a handheld GPS is one of those "someday" toys on my list along with binoculars and a waterproof digital camera.

IMO, "toy" is the right word for most folks, and here’s why – if you are simply using it to track yourself, etc., fine, or as an "I’m curious" reference when the "lost" potential is either very low or the consequences of getting "lost" are minimal, sure, get one and "play." But if you are going into areas/situations where the potential for being truly _lost_ is high, with the associated perils, IMO, these should only be used as a additional aid, not a substitute for manual procedures with compass (manual instruments), maps, _two_ sources of time, and reference points.  The batteries can go, the unit can go down or be damaged, you could conceivably be out of "triangulation" reception (yes, I realize some use other than 3, and this is _unlikely_), etc.  If you going into such a situation, IMO, one _must_ know manual methods.  The main use I have had for them is bluewater sailing/boating, but again, only as a ready/"quick" reference, rather than the sole nav method. So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc.

Helpful?  Sure, if you want to know _exactly_ where you are (well, within a few meters).  As to keeping from "getting lost," that depends on one’s propensity to "get lost" – i.e., if one can "get lost" in a city park, it would probably help, but if one can readily get in and out within a few miles, then it becomes the above-mentioned "quick ref."  IMO, with GPS, you buy features – the "system" used is the same, and you have no choice, ala "wireless" phones, ISPs, etc.  If you buy used, make sure it was a Y2K-prepared unit – some weren’t.  I personally prefer USGS Topos, etc. for maps, but that is strictly subjective.  IMO, learning to "read" the terrain is a necessary and interesting part of being outdoors, but again, YMMV. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —Steve

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Hello all; I find myself in the Fargo, ND area next week and I have pretty much all day on Friday to fish.  Can someone please provide suggestions for an easy day on the water – be it trout, smallmouth (my favorite), pike or panfish?  I will be fishing solo and would prefer to either wade or rent a small boat or canoe.  Thanks in advance for the response. Joe C.

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Joe,    You could fish the tail water of the Garrison Dam, I think there are trout there.  Or fish the river anywhere for other species. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all; I find myself in the Fargo, ND area next week and I have pretty much all day on Friday to fish.  Can someone please provide suggestions for an easy day on the water – be it trout, smallmouth (my favorite), pike or panfish?  I will be fishing solo and would prefer to either wade or rent a small boat or canoe.  Thanks in advance for the response. Joe C.

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Hello all; I find myself in the Fargo, ND area next week and I have pretty much all day on Friday to fish.  Can someone please provide suggestions for an easy day on the water – be it trout, smallmouth (my favorite), pike or panfish?  I will be fishing solo and would prefer to either wade or rent a small boat or canoe.  Thanks in advance for the response. Joe C.

The Red River flows right through town, and has smallmouth, pike, walleye, and extremely large channel catfish.  I don’t think I would try to wade it, I think the bottom would be pretty soft. Here is a link to an article about the Red from the ND Game & Fish website: http://www.state.nd.us/gnf/divfish/Redbro.html Also try browsing around their fishing page (http://www.state.nd.us/gnf/fishing.html) There is a county-by-county listing of all of the lakes in the state, showing what fish are in each lake, and contour maps in PDF format for most of the smaller lakes. The Sheyenne River has pike and smallmouth (and a variety of other fish), and is small enough to be wadable, but it is a beautiful canoe river, especially in and aroung Ft. Ransom State Park. You can find North Dakota fishing reports at: http://www.fishingbuddy.com/ Hope this helps, Kevin

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Joe,    You could fish the tail water of the Garrison Dam, I think there are trout there.  Or fish the river anywhere for other species. Ernie

There are in fact brown, rainbow, and cutthroat trout and chinook salmon in the Garrison Tailrace, and pretty damn big ones too, but it isn’t exactly tailored for fly-fishing.  Occasionally you will see them feeding near the banks and you can catch them on dries. More typically, they are way down deep, and real hard to get to. Todays average flow is 23,000 cfs (way low, 40,000 would be more typical) and it is very deep, so wading is, well suicidal, and you are required to have a 10hp minimum motor to fish in a boat.  A productive strategy is to fish a crankbait (you could probably substitute a streamer) on heavy mono, with a 2 oz. lead sinker tied on a 4 lb. mono dropper.  The sinker gets it down and holds it where the fish can see it, and the light mono dropper is to make sure if the sinker hangs up on the bottom, then you only lose the sinker. Plus, it would be about a 4 to 5 hour drive from Fargo. Kevin

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leaders, keep your backcast low or you’re apt to snag one of those B-52’s flying their VFR low level route right over your head. Frank (love them BUF’s!) Church

|Joe, |   You could fish the tail water of the Garrison Dam, I think there |are trout there.  Or fish the river anywhere for other species. |Ernie |

| Hello all; | | I find myself in the Fargo, ND area next week and I have pretty much |all day | on Friday to fish.  Can someone please provide suggestions for an |easy day | on the water – be it trout, smallmouth (my favorite), pike or |panfish?  I | will be fishing solo and would prefer to either wade or rent a small |boat or | canoe.  Thanks in advance for the response. | | Joe C. | | | |

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The  east side of the Red River is Minnesota.  Check out the Minnesota DNR below.  It’s september now so it could snow any time. I think it was about this time of year the Chinooks & Cohos in Lake Sacajawea ( spelling is bad but it’s the lady on the new dollar coin). would show up in the lake at the east end of the dam.  I have always wondered if they could be caught on a fly.  They didn’t have a stream to spawn in but for some reason they would show up there. Probablly where they were dumped  in.   I would like to try it.  So many places, so many fish – so little time. Watch the B-52s.  There was a target range north of Bismark and they scored the BUFFs as they "bombed: Garrison Dam.  Tehy fly all over at tree top height, that if there were trees in NoDak. http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/fishing.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all; I find myself in the Fargo, ND area next week and I have pretty much all day on Friday to fish.  Can someone please provide suggestions for an easy day on the water – be it trout, smallmouth (my favorite), pike or panfish?  I will be fishing solo and would prefer to either wade or rent a small boat or canoe.  Thanks in advance for the response. Joe C.

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Any opinions about Detroit Lakes?  I am staying at the Holiday Inn there – a lakeside room.  I figure that must mean water and perhaps a shorter drive to find a spot to fish?  Anyone know the area??? Joe

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My physical intuition, such as it is, tells me that a short, stiff mono buttsection tied to the flyline with a nail knot or needle knot is the best rig. Anything "floppy" like a loop-to-loop connection is going to spoil the smooth transfer and dissipation of energy. Completely wrong, I’m afraid. You want floppy…

But not a-section-of-line, followed by a-more-floppy-section-of-line, followed by a-less-floppy-section-of-line.  The more "floppy" the center section is, the more likely it is to hinge.  So I think rw’s intuition is basically correct, assuming loo-to-loop connections are floppy, which I don’t think they necessarily are. …most effective transmission of the diminishing energy that was originally put into the cast. This is what gives optimum turnover. Stiff is NOT what you want: try splicing a short length of old carbon fibre rod top into the end of you line and see what ’stiff’ does for the turnover!

It’s not stiff as in dead stiff.  It’s relatively stiff for it’s diameter. Thus, a smaller diameter than your fly line can have the same absolute flexibility/stiffness as your fly line.  I agree, you don’t want the leader butt stiffer than your fly line, but you want it made out of a stiffer *material*.  Alternatively you could use thicker, more flexible leader butt that still allows taper to a thin tippet. Regards, Jeff

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- My physical intuition, such as it is, tells me that a short, stiff mono buttsection tied to the flyline with a nail knot or needle knot is the best rig. Anything "floppy" like a loop-to-loop connection is going to spoil the smooth transfer and dissipation of energy.

Completely wrong, I’m afraid. You want floppy and you want gradual reduction in unit mass down the line taper and through the leader to the tippet for the most effective transmission of the diminishing energy that was originally put into the cast. This is what gives optimum turnover. Stiff is NOT what you want: try splicing a short length of old carbon fibre rod top into the end of you line and see what ’stiff’ does for the turnover! How do you suppose the energy of a wave passes through a body of water?  Not a lot of ’stiff’ involved there! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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There you go Jeff gettin’ serious, when I’m tryin’ to have some fun! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My physical intuition, such as it is, tells me that a short, stiff mono buttsection tied to the flyline with a nail knot or needle knot is the best rig. Anything "floppy" like a loop-to-loop connection is going to spoil the smooth transfer and dissipation of energy. Completely wrong, I’m afraid. You want floppy… But not a-section-of-line, followed by a-more-floppy-section-of-line, followed by a-less-floppy-section-of-line.  The more "floppy" the center section is, the more likely it is to hinge.  So I think rw’s intuition is basically correct, assuming loo-to-loop connections are floppy, which I don’t think they necessarily are. …most effective transmission of the diminishing energy that was originally put into the cast. This is what gives optimum turnover. Stiff is NOT what you want: try splicing a short length of old carbon fibre rod top into the end of you line and see what ’stiff’ does for the turnover! It’s not stiff as in dead stiff.  It’s relatively stiff for it’s diameter. Thus, a smaller diameter than your fly line can have the same absolute flexibility/stiffness as your fly line.  I agree, you don’t want the leader butt stiffer than your fly line, but you want it made out of a stiffer *material*.  Alternatively you could use thicker, more flexible leader butt that still allows taper to a thin tippet. Regards, Jeff

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The important thing is to have a smooth transition of mass from flyline to leader.

Even though conventional wisdom say stiff, Lefty Kreh for one says exactly what you do – been experimenting with less stiff, more massive butts myself.. (umm, did that sound a bit weird?) here’s an abrupt doubling of mass along the loops, and a quadrupling of mass at the join. Not good.

makes sense This is all theory and supposition, though. The acid test is practice. In my experience, loop-to-loop connections do not cast well. I’d never use them for dry fly fishing.

I hear ya. Regards, Jeff

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…loo-to-loop connection….

The loo-to-loop connection is typically a generous serving of vodka or similar spirits which invariably results in a great deal of stiffness.  However, this does not last.

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…have you been talking to my wife? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The loo-to-loop connection is typically a generous serving of vodka or similar spirits which invariably results in a great deal of stiffness.  However, this does not last.

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There you go Jeff gettin’ serious, when I’m tryin’ to have some fun!

That’s OK, I reamed you on your blackbeard’s ghost thing just to keep it in balance Regards, Jeff

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My physical intuition, such as it is, tells me that a short, stiff mono buttsection tied to the flyline with a nail knot or needle knot is the best rig. Anything "floppy" like a loop-to-loop connection is going to spoil the smooth transfer and dissipation of energy. Completely wrong, I’m afraid. You want floppy… But not a-section-of-line, followed by a-more-floppy-section-of-line, followed by a-less-floppy-section-of-line.  The more "floppy" the center section is, the more likely it is to hinge.  So I think rw’s intuition is basically correct, assuming loo-to-loop connections are floppy, which I don’t think they necessarily are.

It must be that weird British sense of humor, Jeff. …most effective transmission of the diminishing energy that was originally put into the cast. This is what gives optimum turnover. Stiff is NOT what you want: try splicing a short length of old carbon fibre rod top into the end of you line and see what ’stiff’ does for the turnover! It’s not stiff as in dead stiff.  It’s relatively stiff for it’s diameter. Thus, a smaller diameter than your fly line can have the same absolute flexibility/stiffness as your fly line.  I agree, you don’t want the leader butt stiffer than your fly line, but you want it made out of a stiffer *material*.  Alternatively you could use thicker, more flexible leader butt that still allows taper to a thin tippet.

I agree with Tony up to a point, I suppose. The important thing is to have a smooth transition of mass from flyline to leader. Stiffness is secondary, but I prefer something about as stiff as the flyline. (NOT a section of graphite tip!) If you look at mass, though, the loop-to-loop connections are even worse. There’s an abrupt doubling of mass along the loops, and a quadrupling of mass at the join. Not good. This is all theory and supposition, though. The acid test is practice. In my experience, loop-to-loop connections do not cast well. I’d never use them for dry fly fishing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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As you fish throughout the day, the blood clots should dissolve and your leader ought to smooth out somewhat. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If it is tapered properly it casts quite well. Lot better than bloody knotted horsehair anyway. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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That is a line, not a leader, and when properly controlled does not touch the water, so the stuff stays bloody. Clots are sometimes difficult I agree. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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I have two rods and would like to nail knot the mono to both…one is a 3wt and the other is a 6 wt. Is this Maxima leader material or regular fishing line?

280 yards of Maxima Chameleon is about $6. 30 yards of same is $3 Chameleon is stiff, Ultragreen is limp but I’m not sure how stiff their Clear line is. As far as butt recommendations, it depends on your fly line.  I use a 15 lb test Maxima butt for my Wulff Triangle Taper 3/4 but 20lb is better for my Airflo Long Belly 4.  Try 25 or 30 for your 6 wt. Mu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff, I have two rods and would like to nail knot the mono to both…one is a 3wt and the other is a 6 wt. Is this Maxima leader material or regular fishing line? Thanks, Tim Tim, it’s leader material but it won’t work worth a damn nail knotted to your rods waldo

But I sure would save a lot of cash not buying fly line….hmmm…wonder how it would cast???:)

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If it is tapered properly it casts quite well. Lot better than bloody knotted horsehair anyway. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Nail knotting it to the rods will result in broken rods, or very short overpowered casts, knot it to the line ! The Maxima referred to is monofilament fishing line. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been fishing streams recently and noticing that the last 2-3 feet of my line is sinking.  It is a Cortland 444 WF-5-F line and is about a year old and hasn’t been heavily fished.  Besides cleaning the line, is there anything else I can do to prevent this?….it makes it hard to keep the fly up! Also, what is the best product out there for making the line slide through the guides better? Thanks Dustin Let the line dry out for a good period, and then ensure that the end is sealed with a good waterproof glue or similar, water may be seeping into the core. Otherwise use the cortland line cleaner and dressing. TL MC

Yes, I agree. Check the line to make sure, let it dry and use some line cleaner/dressing. If that doesn’t work, make sure you are mending your line so that that current isn’t pulling it under. DAYGLOW York Team DBE

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I get the same problem with my Airflo 7000, I tried cleaning it and that helped, but I will try sealing it now!

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I have been fishing streams recently and noticing that the last 2-3 feet of my line is sinking.  It is a Cortland 444 WF-5-F line and is about a year old and hasn’t been heavily fished.  Besides cleaning the line, is there anything else I can do to prevent this?….it makes it hard to keep the fly up! Also, what is the best product out there for making the line slide through the guides better? Thanks Dustin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been fishing streams recently and noticing that the last 2-3 feet of my line is sinking.  It is a Cortland 444 WF-5-F line and is about a year old and hasn’t been heavily fished.  Besides cleaning the line, is there anything else I can do to prevent this?….it makes it hard to keep the fly up! Also, what is the best product out there for making the line slide through the guides better? Thanks Dustin

Let the line dry out for a good period, and then ensure that the end is sealed with a good waterproof glue or similar, water may be seeping into the core. Otherwise use the cortland line cleaner and dressing. TL MC

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How often should you change your line.  Mine has been on a year but does not seemed damaged. — Praise God for the changing of the seasons; Baseball to Football, Fishing to Hunting.

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I say that you should change your line when it wears out and loses floatability or, er… sinkability (?). Bryce Carron Rockford, Tn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -How often should you change your line.  Mine has been on a year but does not seemed damaged.

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if it splashes down when casting, is cracked or sinks, get a new one

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How often should you change your line.  Mine has been on a year but does not seemed damaged. — Praise God for the changing of the seasons; Baseball to Football, Fishing to Hunting.

Hi All, Some lucky suckers get to fish every day, so they might get a new line every season. Other get out an average amount and need a line in 3 to 5 years. Some poor guys never get to go and their lines are still great after 20 years in the closet. You can usually tell by looking at the finish. If it looks like it is cracking or is sinking after it is cleaned and dressed, it is probably worn out. The top fly lines are still only $50. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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How often should you change your line.  Mine has been on a year but does not seemed damaged.

The easy answer is when it wears out.  The line will get stiff and crack, or start sinking when it wears out and then you should replace it.  I replace mine about once a year, most people replace theirs every 3 to 5 years.  If you don’t use it much it will last much longer if you keep it out of the sun and heat. Also, "cracking the whip" with your fly line will not only lose a lot of flies, but cause your line to crack and wear out prematurely.                                    Hope this helps,                                           Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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If I replace mine every time it splashes down while casting I’d need a new one every couple of casts.             Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if it splashes down when casting, is cracked or sinks, get a new one

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I’m new to fly fishing and have just recently purchased my own equipment instead of using someone else’s.  could you tell me how this line is supposed to go?  Is it backing – line- leader- tippet?  If so how much leader and how much tippet.  I fish in Arkansas rivers (mostly the White and the Buffalo). Thanks, Alan Edwards

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I’m new to fly fishing and have just recently purchased my own equipment instead of using someone else’s.  could you tell me how this line is supposed to go?  Is it backing – line- leader- tippet?  If so how

Yes "backing – line- leader- tippet" and then: Leaders for beginners should usually be about 9 feet. The tippet is simply the finest part of the leader next to the hook.  Rough guideline:  3x tippet = 0.008" suits #12 hook                          4x            007"       #16 and similarly up and down.  You need to replace the tippet when (after changing flies) it gets too short or too thick. New tippets should be roughly 18" inches (less if your dry fly does not "turn over" neatly, longer for more delicate touchdowns etc.)   Backing is measured last, so as to fill up the reel, without squashing the line, once everything is unspooled and respooled the right way.  A filled reel reduces line curl (and provides extra insurance if you hook a bigger fish than expected.) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

JE,  If it’s brooktrout (native)..from Boston you’ve got to motor up 6-7hrs into northern Maine.  This is for *consistent* 14-19" takes. Get out the gas card;-) tight_lines, steve d.

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Your talking about the Steeprock River in Manitoba but it may be a way to drive ….. and try 22". You might see another human footprint if you fish it for a month. — — Bob Sheedy Angling Adventures North Lake Fly Fishing On-Line Magazine Home of MASTER ANGLER Fishing Software http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm

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Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

Boy you don’t ask for much, do you <g? Any requests for the weather? Peter G. Aitken         Give me half of the above and I’ll take any and all weather!!! JE

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you want ancovies with that?

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Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

John Plenty of such places in the mountain country of mainland SE Australia and in the high country of Tasmania. But don’t tell anyone else. Cheers Peter

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Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

Go to the Cariboo, near Quesnel, BC.  Drive 3 hours beyond Quesnel, and look for any patch of water. Apply flies.  Catch fish.  Only catch is, Quesnel is a little ways (15hrs) from Seattle, which is a little ways from everywhere else.  The Stellako, west of Prince George, BC, is real good too.  It’s north and west of Quesnel about 4 hours. There will be few anglers.  The no anglers thing, would you mind passin’ what yer smokin’?  Any piece of water that can be driven to that has fish will have other people.  The question is how many.  The places I know that don’t have people, continue to not have people cuz I don’t post their names on the ‘Net.  Sorry, but that’s the way it is.   Hell I just spent a week on a river in Alaska that I had to fly an hour in a bush plane to get to, then float 70 miles down to get to the fish, and was surrounded by people (and bears) the whole time.  Caught some big ass rainbows, however.  On mice, too. — Andrew Brunette Remove "_nospam" in return address to respond

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Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

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Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

Boy you don’t ask for much, do you <g? Any requests for the weather? Peter G. Aitken

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Jon, Live a good life and if you are lucky, in the next life, you might just stumble across such a place.  However, with my luck, half this newsgroup will have proceeded you and the place will have been trashed!  :^) Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

       ahhh sounds like your looking to fish out of your bathtub again, but then the fish are probally bigger in there than the ones you usually catch!;p CG

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Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

This sounds a bit too much like heaven to be comfortable… let me know if you find it -paul

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I am looking for information about good place to fly fish in vermont, does

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Mr. Brigham, Is there a particular fish you prefer and any particular area of the state? James Ehlers Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings

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I am looking for information about good place to fly fish in vermont, does

Go to  book store and purchase "Fishing Vermont’s Streams and Lakes" by Peter F. Cammann.

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For some reason I got a notice that said this group has been deleted?  Does it still exist? Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group.   Have you reported it to net.abuse.*?

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CAN I SEE SOME PICTURES

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CAN I SEE SOME PICTURES

 what do you wnat to see? naked fish?

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: Have you reported it to net.abuse.*? : Unfortunately, that’ll be akin to blowing against the wind… : The professional spam artists (how’s that for an oxymoron?) seek out groups : with "binaries" as part of the name and bombard them with ads for their porn : sites. Get used to it – it’ll only get worse as the group propagates around : Usenet… Which is one reason I hate GUI newsreaders. All they do is allow stupid people to abuse the newsgroups. Even the binaries newsgroups had little trouble before Netscape and others like it allowed you to view pictures directly from the newsgroups. USENET predates the internet but if things keep up like this USENET will soon be just a minor website. It sucks. BiNM

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someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group.   Have you reported it to net.abuse.*?

Unfortunately, that’ll be akin to blowing against the wind… The professional spam artists (how’s that for an oxymoron?) seek out groups with "binaries" as part of the name and bombard them with ads for their porn sites. Get used to it – it’ll only get worse as the group propagates around Usenet… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts   < <        Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely             to be shared by my employer, etc…

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TimW Of course, one could argue that this is a pic showing the source of fly tying materials for the "Hairy Mary".

Well, at least you made your post fly-tying related.  Just be glad it wasn’t a related photograph showing the source for Tup’s Indispensible. *<|:-#)=-   (Santa Smiley) -Clyde

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someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group. Have you reported it to net.abuse.*?

No, but I will… TimW

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Further evidence that people like us that venture forth into the malodorous backwaters of the unmoderated usenet need to be on our toes for *anything*, and that maybe this is *not* a good place for the squeamish and children, someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group.   Someday, the usenet will sport a web-page like rating system, but until then, please consider the neighborhood you are driving into… Just a warning… TimW Of course, one could argue that this is a pic showing the source of fly tying materials for the "Hairy Mary".

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Does anyone on this newsgroup have current information on saltwater flyfishing at Christmas (Kiribati) Island?  In 1979 I spent some time on the island doing anthropological research and found the bonefishing fantastic.  They were interested at that time in promoting the sportfishing, especially the saltwater flyfishing from the reef.  There have been a couple of articles on the sportfishing in the mid ’80s but I haven’t seen anything recently. — Los Angeles Maritime Museum                                               NETCOM, the West Coast’s Leading Internet Service Provider.      (408) 554-8649

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I have been twice in 1988 and dec. 1994. It is the best bone fishing i have found for numbers of fish. I was there in Sept. of 88 and Dec. of 94. Largest of the two trips was 30 inches. Most weigh about 2-3 pounds. Good food and native guides are fine. I would suggest u hire an extra guide for yourself or for you and a friend if anyone goes with you. A young guide, NAREAU is the best I have used. MOANNA the most famous is now into the bottle pretty heavy and on our last trip he was quite undependable. If you need any other suggestions let me know. I would only book through FRONTIERS in Medford, Penna. good luck. Jack.

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Does anyone on this newsgroup have current information on saltwater flyfishing at Christmas (Kiribati) Island?  In 1979 I spent some time on the island doing anthropological research and found the bonefishing fantastic.  They were interested at that time in promoting the sportfishing, especially the saltwater flyfishing from the reef.  There have been a couple of articles on the sportfishing in the mid ’80s but I haven’t seen anything recently. —

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554-8649 Regarding bone fishing on Christmas Island:  my husband and several of the other members of the Santa Cruz Fly Fishermen fished there last January. They booked their trip through a group called Fishabout, located in Los Gatos.  They have a P.O. Box:  1679, Los Gatos, CA 95031.  Contact either Howard McKinney or Kay Mitsyoshi, at 1-800-409-2000.  The group flew to Honolulu, then transferred to Air Nahru to Kiribati.  Their accomodations were in a small hotel, and their guides took them by boat out to the flats, where they fished, accompanied by the guide.  Everyone reported fine fishing and were satisfied with the package, so Kiribati is having some success promoting their bonefishing. Yours, Pat Steele

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Give any of the destination fly shops a call.  Christmas Island is a very popular bone destination these days.  I would reccomend The Fly Shop in Redding,  CA.  Ask for Mike, the owner… Good Luck, Mad Dog

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Kaufmann’s Streamborn has a lot of good information and experience with Christmas Island.  They have a great color catalog that you can full color photos of lots of travel destinations including Christmas Island.  They’ve got a new web page at http://www.teleport.com/~kman  You can also call them at 800/442-4359, and ask for Jerry.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anyone on this newsgroup have current information on saltwater flyfishing at Christmas (Kiribati) Island?  In 1979 I spent some time on the island doing anthropological research and found the bonefishing fantastic.  They were interested at that time in promoting the sportfishing, especially the saltwater flyfishing from the reef.  There have been a couple of articles on the sportfishing in the mid ’80s but I haven’t seen anything recently. — Los Angeles Maritime Museum                                               NETCOM, the West Coast’s Leading Internet Service Provider.      (408) 554-8649

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The Santa Cruz Fly Fishermen are often found on the Monterey Bay in CA. Most of them do quite well , usually  much  better than the bait fishermen. We enjoy many species of rockfish  as well as shark on a fly, also stripped bass.

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The Santa Cruz Fly Fishermen are often found on the Monterey Bay in CA. Most of them do quite well , usually  much  better than the bait fishermen. We enjoy many species of rockfish  as well as shark on a fly, also stripped bass.

I have fished the Santa Cruz marine area for many years using fly. I find that the rockcod fishing is very productive at this time of year. I use a 7-8 wt. rod with 18 feet of lead core. I use 15 lb. leader with a two fly setup. For shark (mostly Blue shark) I use a cheap 10-11 wt. rod with a very good reel and lots of backing. I use a floating line with 20 lb. tipit with a foot long piece of single strand wire (58 lb. strength) as a shock leader. Also, for both rockcod and shark I make sure that the barb is flattened on my flies. This is for everyone’s good (including the fish). Last year was a very successful year for rockcod and shark. This year, it has been only fair, but some outstanding fish days did occur. John

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