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These thoughtful posts from Tara are just too good to allow to fade from usenet. Since Tara set them not to be archived, I’ve copied them here to protect them for posterity. MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.6.1 (Macintosh) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.national- parks,rec.backcountry,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly,alt.wolves X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 73 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.237.31 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1023508397 209.226.237.31 (Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:53:17 EDT) Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!news- out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!upp1.onvoy!msc1.onvoy!onv oy.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.c om!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: usenetserver.com rec.outdoors.national-parks:143809 rec.backcountry:254050 rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:328244 alt.wolves:135493 atl1.usenetserver.com) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bingo! Yippee!  You win! So youa re actively and vigorously working at protecting the Tom Benos of the world. Ya think?  Well, I guess I’m not going to get too worked up over it.  I mean, how many of them can there be?  I don’t believe I’ve ever encountered the name Beno before……I’d be much surprised if there’s more than a couple dozen Tom Benos on the planet.  And, given how unlikely it is that they share much more than a name, I suspect that giving all of them my active and vigorous support would pretty much be a wash in the long run, don’t you? Thanks for the support! Uh…..you’re welcome…….I guess…….um…….are you a Tom Beno? E-mail his ISP and complain about the illegal and unconstitutional harassment techniques of the far right extremists trying to take away his right of free speech! Rise up and smite the oppressors!  Dirty filthy cowards, all of them… Dan Evidence be damned!  I’m gonna go way out on a limb here and give long odds that you and the rest of the Tom Benos think you got something to say. Wolfgang whattya say boys and girls……who wants to win a shiny new nickel?      :)

Reading all of this – all of this – I am overwhelmed with the sheer pettiness of all of you. ALL of you.  What a waste of time, what a waste of lives. Do none of you have nothing better to do with your time.  Do any of you ever stand back and look at what you write and actually see yourselves. "I’ll do what I want because my way is the right way. And I’ll do what is right because you are wrong!" "And I’ll fix you, ha ha!"  Do you not see that all of you are right and all of you are at the same time wrong?  Nah, you don’t. Your attitude, both sides, is why we have the mess we do.  This is why this world, it’s politics and it’s results are, and continue to be a mess   This is not the way to clean it up or change it. It’s only a way to perpetuate it. I sit back and look at this and I see that Tom, at least has a cause, a purpose and we need that. We need crusaders. But when it becomes a matter of oneupmanship or one of school yard childishness, there is no hope of change. What to do?  Has anyone ever known what to to. I sometimes think it’s simply going to be a struggle forever.   In the history of the world the only ones who have truly changed anything are those who have always been unwilling to resort to the tactics I see here. You, all of you are the grain of sand that is the universe. What kind of universe do you want it to be. Tara Just my 2 cents. MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.6.1 (Macintosh) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.national- parks,rec.backcountry,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly,alt.wolves X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 112 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.208.65.191 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1023515054 216.208.65.191 (Sat, 08 Jun 2002 01:44:14 EDT) Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!btnet- peer1!btnet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn !webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.b ellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: usenetserver.com rec.outdoors.national-parks:143811 rec.backcountry:254061 rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:328261 alt.wolves:135495 atl1.usenetserver.com) Tom is not a crusader, he’s a nuisance. I’m sure that you also welcome into your home every person that has a religous message to share. And isn’t that the ultimate crusade?

Ahhh, Jeff, notice how you searched for and of course, found the one thing you could find to perpetuate and continue the madness. And also notice (you won’t, however), how you brought it into a new twist to perpetuate the argument.  But, I’m not arguing, and I will not continue (no matter what idiotic responses come from what I’ve said) to post here anymore on this topic. Tara Bye buy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bingo! Yippee!  You win! So youa re actively and vigorously working at protecting the Tom Benos of the world. Ya think?  Well, I guess I’m not going to get too worked up over it.  I mean, how many of them can there be?  I don’t believe I’ve ever encountered the name Beno before……I’d be much surprised if there’s more than a couple dozen Tom Benos on the planet.  And, given how unlikely it is that they share much more than a name, I suspect that giving all of them my active and vigorous support would pretty much be a wash in the long run, don’t you? Thanks for the support! Uh…..you’re welcome…….I guess…….um…….are you a Tom Beno? E-mail his ISP and complain about the illegal and unconstitutional harassment techniques of the far right extremists trying to take away his right of free speech! Rise up and smite the oppressors!  Dirty filthy cowards, all of them… Dan Evidence be damned!  I’m gonna go way out on a limb here and give long odds that you and the rest of the Tom Benos think you got something to say. Wolfgang whattya say boys and girls……who wants to win a shiny new nickel?      :) Reading all of this – all of this – I am overwhelmed with the sheer pettiness of all of you. ALL of you.  What a waste of time, what a waste of lives. Do none of you have nothing better to do with your time.  Do any of you ever stand back and look at what you write and actually see yourselves. "I’ll do what I want because my way is the right way. And I’ll do what is right because you are wrong!" "And I’ll fix you, ha ha!"  Do you not see that all of you are right and all of you are at the same time wrong?   Nah, you

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Dang!  You know, I think she’s right.

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Yeah, she may be right, but in the end, isn’t her responding to them just more of the same?  And isn’t my response to her responding to them just more of the same? …Whoa, too much thinking makes Kurt’s head spin.  I’m going to go sit down now.

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Hi RW,  you were mentioning the PT nymph and what it looked like.  I have a rather poor photo (somewhat out of focus)  that depicts the nymph, and I have put it on ABPF.

That’s a very buggy looking fly, Michael. Do you ever tie them flashback style, with a strand of Flashabou and some 5-minute epoxy? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hi RW,  you were mentioning the PT nymph and what it looked like.  I have a rather poor photo (somewhat out of focus)  that depicts the nymph, and I have put it on ABPF. That’s a very buggy looking fly, Michael. Do you ever tie them flashback style, with a strand of Flashabou and some 5-minute epoxy?

Yikes,  what is "flashback style"?  The fly in the pikkie is my mainstay of angling operations, and it fishes very effectively here in the UK and the river Cauvery  (Bangalore to Mysore plus tributaries)  in India  (much to my delight!!!)  This pattern is probably my most used fly.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi RW,  you were mentioning the PT nymph and what it looked like.  I have a rather poor photo (somewhat out of focus)  that depicts the nymph, and I have put it on ABPF. That’s a very buggy looking fly, Michael. Do you ever tie them flashback style, with a strand of Flashabou and some 5-minute epoxy? Yikes,  what is "flashback style"?  

Tie in a strand of pearl Flashabou before you tie in the wingcase. Then fold it over and tie it in over the finished wingcase. A drop of 5-minute epoxy on top of the thorax makes the fly more durable, which I believe is what you were after in the first place. The fly in the pikkie is my mainstay of angling operations, and it fishes very effectively here in the UK and the river Cauvery  (Bangalore to Mysore plus tributaries)  in India  (much to my delight!!!)  This pattern is probably my most used fly.

Now you’re getting all picky about making changes to your recipe! That was my advice, if you recall — if it works, stick with it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Do you ever tie them flashback style, with a strand of Flashabou and some 5-minute epoxy?

One thing I like to do is use peackock herl for the wingcase.  I pull over that several strands of very narrow Flashabou.  I think this is more subtle, yet at the same time reflects light in more directions.  Then I coat it with Flexament.  I think it looks cool.

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Snipped. Today I fished with some PT nymphs that I had used a little dab of superglue to keep the wingcase firmly fastened down.  They did not look any different to the non glued ones,  but after a day’s angling with them I have to say that the addition of the glue has done wonders for the durability of the fly.  Today was very windy and at times too much for my 4 weight line.  One cast was blown onto the riverbank  (grrrr!), however, a bit of bad temper and cursing at the wind,  I persisted my casting. I found a nice run that has been deepened by the recent record flooding, and its trout have all been replaced by large grayling.  I caught 3 grayling between 1.25lb and 2lb in 40 feet of stream, and saw a lot more fish too ~ I have never seen so many large grayling on this river before.  Oddly enough, the grayling were not at all interested in the PT nymph, and I caught them on a  small black & peacock spider (size 16).  All the trout that I caught today (upto a lively 15oz fish) were on the PT nymph.  I only fished for half the day due to 1) the wind, and 2) nagging by the wife… Within a few weeks,  the mayflies (we call the largest of our ephemerids the mayfly  (Ephemera danica) as it hatches in late May.  The troutstream goes absolutely nuts for 2 weeks and the trout all gorge themselves something chronic).  That being said,  the fish were feasting well today, and the trout all had plump bellies.

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There is a picture of a PTN with a fluo thorax at http://www.geocities.com/flyfishingguru/ptn.htm along with tying instructions etc if any of you are interested Chris http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flyfishingworld – E-mail group http://www.geocities.com/flyfishingguru – Main website

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Snipped. Today I fished with some PT nymphs that I had used a little dab of superglue to keep the wingcase firmly fastened down.  They did not look any different to the non glued ones,  but after a day’s angling with them I have to say that the addition of the glue has done wonders for the durability of the fly.  Today was very windy and at times too much for my 4 weight line. One cast was blown onto the riverbank  (grrrr!), however, a bit of bad temper and cursing at the wind,  I persisted my casting. I found a nice run that has been deepened by the recent record flooding, and its trout have all been replaced by large grayling.  I caught 3 grayling between 1.25lb and 2lb in 40 feet of stream, and saw a lot more fish too ~ I have never seen so many large grayling on this river before.  Oddly enough, the grayling were not at all interested in the PT nymph, and I caught them on a  small black & peacock spider (size 16).  All the trout that I caught today (upto a lively 15oz fish) were on the PT nymph.  I only fished for half the day due to 1) the wind, and 2) nagging by the wife… Within a few weeks,  the mayflies (we call the largest of our ephemerids the mayfly  (Ephemera danica) as it hatches in late May.  The troutstream goes absolutely nuts for 2 weeks and the trout all gorge themselves something chronic).  That being said,  the fish were feasting well today, and the trout all had plump bellies.

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Cheers Chris, I looked at the fly,  however, I must admit to being a bit of a traditional kindof flytier.  I am presently only using non-synthetic materials to tie my flies from;  I prefer furs, feathers & metals.   That being said, today I used some flies (PTN) that used glue as a reinforcement to the tying, so I suppose that I am a bit of a hypocrite in respect to non-synthetic materials – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a picture of a PTN with a fluo thorax at http://www.geocities.com/flyfishingguru/ptn.htm along with tying instructions etc if any of you are interested Chris http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flyfishingworld – E-mail group http://www.geocities.com/flyfishingguru – Main website Snipped. Today I fished with some PT nymphs that I had used a little dab of superglue to keep the wingcase firmly fastened down.  They did not look any different to the non glued ones,  but after a day’s angling with them I have to say that the addition of the glue has done wonders for the durability of the fly.  Today was very windy and at times too much for my 4 weight line. One cast was blown onto the riverbank  (grrrr!), however, a bit of bad temper and cursing at the wind,  I persisted my casting. I found a nice run that has been deepened by the recent record flooding, and its trout have all been replaced by large grayling.  I caught 3 grayling between 1.25lb and 2lb in 40 feet of stream, and saw a lot more fish too ~ I have never seen so many large grayling on this river before.  Oddly enough, the grayling were not at all interested in the PT nymph, and I caught them on a  small black & peacock spider (size 16).  All the trout that I caught today (upto a lively 15oz fish) were on the PT nymph.  I only fished for half the day due to 1) the wind, and 2) nagging by the wife… Within a few weeks,  the mayflies (we call the largest of our ephemerids the mayfly  (Ephemera danica) as it hatches in late May.  The troutstream goes absolutely nuts for 2 weeks and the trout all gorge themselves something chronic).  That being said,  the fish were feasting well today, and the trout all had plump bellies.

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Cheers Chris, I looked at the fly,  however, I must admit to being a bit of a traditional kindof flytier.  I am presently only using non-synthetic materials to tie my flies from;  I prefer furs, feathers & metals.  

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and preferences, but I don’t understand the big difference between using manufactured materials like steel hooks and nylon thread, and "synthetic" materials like Flashabou and poly yarn. If it’s effective for tying flies I’ll use it. It may be unethical , but that’s the way I see it. In fact, I think it’s fun to use all sorts of unusual synthetic materials, especially those that aren’t made specifically for tying flies. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Planned to stop in McIntosh county Oklahoma and do a little family research on way to Henry"s Fork clave. My creek ancestor there suggested I bring my fishing pole–said it gets so hot there in July that when you catch a brim you just eat him off the fly! IJ

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cheers Chris, I looked at the fly,  however, I must admit to being a bit of a traditional kindof flytier.  I am presently only using non-synthetic materials to tie my flies from;  I prefer furs, feathers & metals. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and preferences, but I don’t understand the big difference between using manufactured materials like steel hooks and nylon thread, and "synthetic" materials like Flashabou and poly yarn. If it’s effective for tying flies I’ll use it. It may be unethical , but that’s the way I see it. In fact, I think it’s fun to use all sorts of unusual synthetic materials, especially those that aren’t made specifically for tying flies.

What you say is entirely true, and people should experiment with new materials and so on if they want to improve designs.  I am not a particularly innovative fly tyer; I have about a dozen mature patterns consisting of dry, wet & nymph (for troutstream fishing) that I more or less stick to.  I am also essentially lazy in nature, and because of this try to utilise just the minimum required  (another reason why I use PT & GRHE nymphs for the bulk of my angling).  Being lazy with fly tying means that I don’t really go out to get new materials; I have a big wooden box (that I inherited when its previous owner emigrated to Australia) that is crammed with all sorts of bits of fur / hair / capes / birdskins / loose feathers / wires / tinsels and so on.  I am more of an angler than a fly tyer, however that being said, I do tie up all of my flies that I use.  I probably need a new tying vice as mine (Indian cheapo) is getting to be a nuisance ~ I suppose that you get what you pay for. This season I have decided to get back into fishing the dry fly; over the last 7 years or so I have neglected to use the dryfly.  The last 2 trips (yesterday & a week before) I caught trout on a size 16 iron blue dun and really enjoyed the thrill of watching the fly bob down to where the fish was on the fin. I’m not at all bothered about what other people want to use,  but I personally prefer to use feather or fur over synthetic materials purely on a set-in-my-ways traditional kindof theme.  It is  ironic that I am probably younger than the average age of the participants in this NG and yet I am possibly more dogmatic in choice of fly tying materials than the average pundit! Regards, Mike.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What you say is entirely true, and people should experiment with new materials and so on if they want to improve designs.  I am not a particularly innovative fly tyer; I have about a dozen mature patterns consisting of dry, wet & nymph (for troutstream fishing) that I more or less stick to.  I am also essentially lazy in nature, and because of this try to utilise just the minimum required  (another reason why I use PT & GRHE nymphs for the bulk of my angling).   I am more of an angler than a fly tyer, however that being said, I do tie up all of my flies that I use.   I’m not at all bothered about what other people want to use,  but I personally prefer to use feather or fur over synthetic materials purely on a set-in-my-ways traditional kindof theme.  It is  ironic that I am probably younger than the average age of the participants in this NG and yet I am possibly more dogmatic in choice of fly tying materials than the average pundit!

Hum, I pictured you as a moderately old fart like me. I also prefer "natural" over synthetic. I think that a limited fly selection is what happens when you fish the same waters, or similar ones, very frequently. You find or develop some flies that are successful for you, you use them alot, you get good at presenting them and you have alot of confidence in them. When I travel to new waters, I usually tie up "local" patterns to suit but often  find myself having my best success on my "standards." That’s one of the things that has made me concentrate much more on a change in presentation over trying to find the "right" fly when I come across a difficult situation. Willi

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What you say is entirely true, and people should experiment with new materials and so on if they want to improve designs.  I am not a particularly innovative fly tyer; I have about a dozen mature patterns consisting of dry, wet & nymph (for troutstream fishing) that I more or less stick to.  I am also essentially lazy in nature, and because of this try to utilise just the minimum required  (another reason why I use PT & GRHE nymphs for the bulk of my angling).   I am more of an angler than a fly

tyer, however that being said, I do tie up all of my flies that I use. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not at all bothered about what other people want to use,  but I personally prefer to use feather or fur over synthetic materials purely on a set-in-my-ways traditional kindof theme.  It is  ironic that I am probably younger than the average age of the participants in this NG and yet I am possibly more dogmatic in choice of fly tying materials than the average pundit! Hum, I pictured you as a moderately old fart like me. I also prefer "natural" over synthetic. I think that a limited fly selection is what happens when you fish the same waters, or similar ones, very frequently. You find or develop some flies that are successful for you, you use them alot, you get good at presenting them and you have alot of confidence in them. When I travel to new waters, I usually tie up "local" patterns to suit but often  find myself having my best success on my "standards." That’s one of the things that has made me concentrate much more on a change in presentation over trying to find the "right" fly when I come across a difficult situation.

LOL,  I am a 30 year old fart, moderate just like you .  You are right about the firm fave flies that you carry with confidence,  I have my favourite flies alright:  my 1st 11 or 1st 15, these flies are my first choice in action on most waters (saltwaters excluded).  Confidence is pretty important in flyfishing and having a proven fly or series of flies helps maintain the keeness that is essentially kept bouyant by prior confidence.

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Hum, I pictured you as a moderately old fart like me. LOL,  I am a 30 year old fart, moderate just like you .

I don’t think that’s the same thing that Willi described

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Confidence is pretty important in flyfishing and having a proven fly or series of flies helps maintain the keeness that is essentially kept bouyant by prior confidence.

I suspect that the "confidence" effect has something to do with the effectiveness of fluorocarbon tippet. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hi RW,  you were mentioning the PT nymph and what it looked like.  I have a rather poor photo (somewhat out of focus)  that depicts the nymph, and I have put it on ABPF.

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Can any one recommend information regarding a destination for flyrodding for pike in Canada.  I am looking for a location, not necessarily a lodge.  (A lodge may be a reasonable choice since I do not care to cook.)  However a boat rental might be necessary.  I would need airport service since I would be flying in from the SE USA.  Please respond directly via e-mail. Thank you. "If I have been able to see over the horizon, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants," Sir Isaac Newton

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A possible source of information is at the only exclusively fly fishing store and guide service that I know of in Manitoba. They advertise for trout trips etc but they may be able to put you in contact with someone else who can help. Hope this helps. http://www.northernangler.mb.ca/index.html

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Yeah, you guys better watch out or all my bottom dwelling junkyard dogs will…will…will….well just watch out or you’ll be sorry! {:-)

I think I already am sorry (or so I’ve been told)<g. — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and the intelectual level or ROFF rises again. No shit? — Charlie…         careful, duc!  you may be set upon by the hundreds (or thousands, even) of angry lurkers who get upset when george is trifled with.  think of your family, man! wayno

____  Someday, this year, when you make a mental error, you just might talk about fly fishing for once.  Show up at the Jackson Hole airport and I’ll pick you and Anthony up personally.  I would like to take you both on some very special float trips.  I would even give you my private phone number if you change your mind.  Summers with a son come and go.  The time is NOW for that special trip with the lad.  Do what you can.  Give it some serious, serious, serious thought. : ) — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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George, I believe that you missed the point of Jeff’s post.  I don’t believe that he was disputing the fact that you caught a Whitefish of that size under those circumstances.  At least in my mind, he was referring to your feeling the need to post about the incident in light of "No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it.". BTW I have caught several Whitefish in that size range in the Clearwater while fishing for steelhead, but always have considered the pursuit of fishing records somewhat silly. Bob Weinberger

______  I understand what you’re saying but what many don’t know is, Charlie Brooks was retired military.  The term, "no sweat" was common with him. Fishing for records for you, I imagine is silly and serves no purpose.  In the early years, records helped our company and products.  They still do.  I don’t pursue them actively anymore or specifically, but should one come my way, I would honor the fish, and after the measurements, I  now release them.  You can do that now.  One doesn’t need to kill a fish to make it a world record. That aside, thanks for the thoughts Bob.  I’m going to have to check the record books for the present and see what the Whitefish "high water mark" is now, for the record. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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George, did you even stop to read what I quoted?  Read it again, and then again, until you finally figure it out. "No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it." Uh, yeah, right. Regards, Jeff _____  No, I’m not right, you’re wrong.  What you don’t know is infinitely greater than what you know.  Call up Sam Melner, Eugene, OR area.  He’ll confirm how wrong you are.

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"No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it."

Uh, yeah, right. Regards, Jeff

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"No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it." Uh, yeah, right. Regards, Jeff

_____  No, I’m not right, you’re wrong.  What you don’t know is infinitely greater than what you know.  Call up Sam Melner, Eugene, OR area.  He’ll confirm how wrong you are. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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Once again its "great minds discuss ideals, mediocre minds discuss events and small minds discuss people"  and the intelectual level or ROFF rises again.

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Once again its "great minds discuss ideals, mediocre minds discuss events and small minds discuss people"  and the intelectual level or ROFF rises again.

Thanks again, anyhow J.C.. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it." Uh, yeah, right. Regards, Jeff

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and the intelectual level or ROFF rises again.

No shit? — Charlie…

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and the intelectual level or ROFF rises again. No shit? — Charlie…

Interesting… R

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and the intelectual level or ROFF rises again. No shit? — Charlie…

        careful, duc!  you may be set upon by the hundreds (or thousands, even) of angry lurkers who get upset when george is trifled with.  think of your family, man! wayno

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who get upset when george is trifled

George who? — Charlie…

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who get upset when george is trifled George who? — Charlie…

Adams? <g Warren X#-[

Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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George, I believe that you missed the point of Jeff’s post.  I don’t believe that he was disputing the fact that you caught a Whitefish of that size under those circumstances.  At least in my mind, he was referring to your feeling the need to post about the incident in light of "No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it.". BTW I have caught several Whitefish in that size range in the Clearwater while fishing for steelhead, but always have considered the pursuit of fishing records somewhat silly. Bob Weinberger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it." Uh, yeah, right. Regards, Jeff _____  No, I’m not right, you’re wrong.  What you don’t know is infinitely greater than what you know.  Call up Sam Melner, Eugene, OR area.  He’ll confirm how wrong you are. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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who get upset when george is trifled George who? — Charlie… Adams? <g

Yeah, you guys better watch out or all my bottom dwelling junkyard dogs will…will…will….well just watch out or you’ll be sorry! {:-) George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Whitefish as table fare is much better than trout.  The late/great Charlie Brooks always went after whitefish for dinner.  Hated eating trout.  Which some of know is a much better choice. Thing is, in the Madison are some of the largest whitefish known and in the surrounding area.  I caught and released (to my error) a whitefish that exceeded five pounds while Charlie Brooks sat on the bank sipping a cold bottle of beer.  In fact, that is all he carried in his wicker basket on his hip.  It was always loaded with beer. "Biggest damned whitefish I’ve ever seen George!" he yells.  As I quickly weigh it and release it.  "How much it weigh?" he adds after another swig. "Five pounds two ounces," I shout back as I stagger to shore for a cold one. I walk up to Charlie who is enjoying a small fire I built, he and two more friends, one whom I now forget the name of but the other is Sam Melner of "Fly Fisherman’s Bookcase," Croton on the Hudson. "I think you just released a world record George," he adds matter of factly. "How would you know that?" I counter as I decap a brown, super-cold bottle of beer from the river. "I’ve been fishing those things my whole life and its the only damned fish worth a hoot for eating.  That, was a big fish, I’m telling you." "Well, it so happens I have a diary here with all the fly fishing records it it," as I start thumbing through it.  Under "Whitefish" I see that five pounds is indeed MORE than enough to establish a new world record. I turn the little manual around and hand it to Charlie.  "Dang!" I laugh, "If you’re not right!" "No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it." as he offers a toast to bump.  We click bottles and Charlie finishes the beer.  He returns the empty and pulls out another cold one.  "It’s the memories man!  It’s the memories!" We all sit back and laugh our hearts out.   "Good show," adds Sam. True story. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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I’m fairly new to fly fishing. While I was taking a course in fly fishing the guide tied on two flies at once.  I’m trying to remember his technique. It seems that he tied line on the hook on one fly and added another on the end. How do you tie on more than one fly? Is this even a good idea? Thanks Greg

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Hi Gregory, That is known as tying on a ‘dropper’ fly.  I tie it on above the barb of the first fly, using the clinch knot, about 18" long.  There are other methods of tying on a dropper on the tippet above the terminal fly, but your instructor wanted to keep it simple.  And yes, it is a good idea to use a dropper at times.  Many times when fish won’t hit on top, they’ll go for the dropper.  I fish for bluegill with this method when they get a little sulky in the summer,  and again in the fall when topwater fishing slows down.  Some might call this ‘bobber fishin’, but don’t let that influence you. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF  RET.

|I’m fairly new to fly fishing. While I was taking a course in fly fishing |the guide tied on two flies at once.  I’m trying to remember his technique. |It seems that he tied line on the hook on one fly and added another on the |end. How do you tie on more than one fly? Is this even a good idea? Thanks |Greg

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This is a common technique when fishing wet flies. A fly is tied to the end of the leader as usual and another is tied to what is called a dropper. This is usually made when tying the leader by extending one end of the blood knot. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m fairly new to fly fishing. While I was taking a course in fly fishing the guide tied on two flies at once.  I’m trying to remember his technique. It seems that he tied line on the hook on one fly and added another on the end. How do you tie on more than one fly? Is this even a good idea? Thanks Greg

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(good dropper advice snipped ) Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF  RET.

Frank, I know you are a smallie fan.  A #4 or #6 hair bug for the surface and a nymph or small streamer as a dropper tied in the manner you described makes a particularly deadly combination for smallmouth.  The fish may take either fly.  This also works on trout on larger waters and is particularly effective in faster water.  In the case of trout use a slightly smaler top bug and a size 14 or 16 nymph. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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You can add an additional fly by simply tying a length of tippet to the eye of the first fly. This is how I was taught on the San Juan. The first fly can be dry attractor ( serves as strike indicator) or other while the lower fly a nymph. Two nymphs regular technique on San Juan, at least for the guide I had. One warning, I am not sure two flies are legal on all waters. You should check before using this technique as ignorance of the rules will not necessarily get you off the hook so to speak. Regards from Montreal John Brkich

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Look around Red River Gorge area also.  It is south of Morehead an hour or so. Some of the streams are stocked around that area.  As the previous message said, check with F & W.  The local biologist would be the one to talk to. Kenny

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Any places in the eastern part of the state (near Lexington/Fayette County) that contain trout? — Nicholas J. Slodki

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Any places in the eastern part of the state (near Lexington/Fayette County) that contain trout? — Nicholas J. Slodki

I live in Tn but I know there’s a tailwater on Herrington Lake, also Cumberland river down south. Then there’s a few trout streams around Morehead on higway 64. Try Kentucky Dept of Wildlife or equivalent, Try on Alta vista or Yahoo. That should give you the adress. Hans

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<<If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… It’s ok to smoke after sex. But if sex is a pain in the ass, you are doing it wrong. Dave L.

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<<If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… It’s ok to smoke after sex. But if sex is a pain in the ass, you are doing it wrong. Dave L.

    After sex is ok, during sex is another thing entirely.                                                       John Popp                                                   in Sanford Fl.

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If you smoke during sex you’re definitely doing it too fast! — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… It’s ok to smoke after sex. But if sex is a pain in the ass, you are doing it wrong. Dave L.    After sex is ok, during sex is another thing entirely.                                                      John Popp                                                  in Sanford Fl.

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory. Without the contamination of the fly by nicotine tainted fingers, ALL the fish that your fly came into contact with would, without exception, be fooled into taking and therefore caught. This would cause havoc, especially amongst the catch and kill anglers who would have to go home after only two or three minutes fishing. Streams, rivers and lakes would be denuded of fish, tackle manufacturers and fly tying businesses would go out of business, chaos would ensue! Do your duty Scott. Go and buy at least two packets of the cheapest and foulest smelling cigars you can find and protect our sport, fish and rivers.

Plus, after having the fish shred every single fly you’ve got in your box you can take the butt end of that stogie, jam a hook through it, and catch One More For The Road. Not to mention their use as a mosquito, fly, and fisherman repellant. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious. Hi All, I would say that a very small percentage of fly fisher persons smoke cigarettes. I think I would know as I can smell it on anyone that walks in my store and very few do. Most fly fisherman seem to be fairly intelligent and probably realize that if they want to live a long time they should not smoke cigarettes. Puffin’ on a cigar at stream side once and a while would kill you. Sorry if my observations has offended anyone. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

Not me Bill, I totally agree….a pack and a half a day smoker, I quit after 20 yrs of that. Within 6 months, cigarette smoke and *especially* cigar smoke sickened me. I have been known to get up and move (or leave) a restaurant due to somebody lighting up at the next table. (this was before the anti-smoking laws went into effect) The experience astream is so much more enjoyable without clouds of toxin interfering with the clean air. Frank Church Elkhart, IN

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Not me Bill, I totally agree….a pack and a half a day smoker, I quit after 20 yrs of that. Within 6 months, cigarette smoke and *especially* cigar smoke sickened me.

Interesting. I had smoked for 30yrs (most of them 2+ packs/day) when I quit 5yrs ago. I find that my sense of smell has vastly improved but 2nd hand smoke doesn’t bother me any more now than it did, in fact I will move into the smoking section of a resteraunt just to get away from screaming kids. I never did much like smelling cigars even then, though<g. — Charlie…

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Only when you can get one to light… "FW" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Perhaps…but I’ve found a better "trick".  My daughter purchased a nice flask to carry in my vest.  I fill it with a bit of alcoholic beverage and, when fishing is really slow, I sip away at my flask.  I don’t catch any more fish than I did before, but the slow times seem more enjoyable Barry

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Only when you can get one to light…

More than a little truth in this! Wet fingers and dry cigarettes are not a good combination.  I used to have trouble lighting my pipe having just filled it when my hands were wet. I’ve *had* to give up my beloved pipe on what turned out to be unfounded medical advice. — Bill

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Hi All, I would say that a very small percentage of fly fisher persons smoke cigarettes. I think I would know as I can smell it on anyone that walks in my store and very few do. Most fly fisherman seem to be fairly intelligent and probably realize that if they want to live a long time they should not smoke cigarettes. Puffin’ on a cigar at stream side once and a while would kill you. Sorry if my observations has offended anyone. Bill Kiene

______ Doesn’t offend me or many, many others here at all Bill.  For me?  I simply won’t allow anyone near my family or on my property that wants to use any kind of tobacco products.  I detest it so.  It is a filthy, selfish, arrogant, poisoning, deadly, habit.  More often than not, people who smoke are selfish but worse yet, they are 100% inconsiderate of others.  Not only is the secondary smoke offensive, just their visual presence is disgusting.  I can’t even stand to look at anyone that is smoking.  It makes me want to rip the cigarette out of their face and then slap them silly.  But I know this might be a little unreasonable and others may think I would be over reacting a bit.  I suppose everyone would be right regarding this fantasy.  I only wonder if others are so inclined and are just too shy to tell those who are smoking in their presence to kindly stop it in an other than an asking tone.     No one fishes with me that smokes.  I can’t even stand to see anyone do it even from a distance.  Absolutely drives me ballistic because the habit has killed old friends of mine.  I really like people who DON’T smoke.  I like the fact that in a parking area and along the stream I don’t have to look at thrown away cigarettes, their packages, or cigar bands or butts or whatever.  People who throw these items on the ground are ignorant ninkapoops.  People who have ‘the need’ to smoke are weak, undisciplined, selfish and they don’t regard the health risk to  others like their own wives, and will smoke in the house even if children live there.  A child can’t keep a man of great size from smoking in the same room, but I sure don’t mind telling the same dude to stop it or get lost if they get near me or my friends.   It is a pathetic state of affairs. A single puff of smoke across a thirty or forty foot room will put my wife into the hospital fighting for her life.  It will literally cost me thousands of dollars.  It shuts her breathing down.  Smoking does affect others in anyone’s family that DON’T Smoke.  Anyone that smokes inside their home where another doesn’t smoke, is a bully.  I especially detest women who smoke.  If people want to go behind the barn out of my sight and smoke . . . I suppose that might be all right as long as they didn’t throw their butts down into the pig sty and get that dirty.  I particularly am concerned about highly intelligent hogs having to deal with addicts that smoke.  These substance abusers are not strong enough to control their own lives. They should not be allowed to influence others.  If I had a customer who isn’t smoking or doesn’t smoke browsing in my shop I sure as heck won’t allow anyone else in the area to do it. Bill?  If you are man enough to put a big NO SMOKING Signs all over your store, I’ll send all my non-smoking friends over to your place. Besides.  Who likes to handle money tainted with nicotine anyway?  We burn any we get.  How about you? yack! Mr. G. "Ah?  You’re not going to light that right now are you?" "Excuse me, could you wait until I leave before lighting that up?" "Don’t light that up in my presence please.  It will make me sick." "When did you start smoking, may I ask, before doing so now – here?" "My God man!  I didn’t know you were a smoker!" Or if in a vehicle and they sneak aboard before everyone realizes we have a smoker passenger . . . we simply pull over to the side of the road and say, "You must refrain from smoking during this entire trip or get out right now."  (with a smile, of course) ______ OTHER WAYS OF CONTROLLING SMOKERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ADD THEM HERE ______ 1)   As you said Bill.  Sorry if my observations has offended anyone.

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A couple of years ago, I caught a 3 1/2 lb’er at a small stillwater called ‘Northbank’ near Peterborough (UK).  When I spooned the fish, all I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar).  Perhaps some of our fish are acquiring the taste?

 Robert Scott replies: < .<<..and I’ve caught a nice Lake George, NY Landlocked Salmon whose stomach contained a cigarette butt AND a foil gum wrapper.  Perhaps he wanted to freshen his breath after the smoke? I can understand a trout taking a cigarette butt (with a filter).  There is a nymph called the "Strawman" that is heavily packed spun deer hair. You Gink it up (George’s stuff can be used as a verb too) and it is supposed to represent a caddis case.  It looks just like a cigarette filter.   Tough fly to fish, however, for nothing will go near it if there is even the slightest bit of drag (micro-drag?).  But if you can get it totally drag free, they smash it.  It is an excellent fly to dapple with. I smoked for 40 years.  I was up to 4 packs/day (3 cartons a week).  My doc figured out I was smoking a cigarette every 11 minutes (if I slept 8 hours/day).  I’ve been off the damn things for 6 years now and every-thing smells great. Dave LaCourse

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Mr. G You are a very sick man, I hope the doctors are kind to you when they take you away. PS, don’t even think of "slapping people silly" unless you are Evander Holyfield, you might get hurt. Are you really a control freak or is this just a troll? — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email)

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -______ Doesn’t offend me or many, many others here at all Bill.  For me?  I simply won’t allow anyone near my family or on my property that wants to use any kind of tobacco products.  I detest it so.  It is a filthy, selfish, arrogant, poisoning, deadly, habit.  More often than not, people who smoke are selfish but worse yet, they are 100% inconsiderate of others.  Not only is the secondary smoke offensive, just their visual presence is disgusting.  I can’t even stand to look at anyone that is smoking.  It makes me want to rip the cigarette out of their face and then slap them silly.  But I know this might be a little unreasonable and others may think I would be over reacting a bit.  I suppose everyone would be right regarding this fantasy.  I only wonder if others are so inclined and are just too shy to tell those who are smoking in their presence to kindly stop it in an other than an asking tone. No one fishes with me that smokes.  I can’t even stand to see anyone do it even from a distance.  Absolutely drives me ballistic because the habit has killed old friends of mine.  I really like people who DON’T smoke.  I like the fact that in a parking area and along the stream I don’t have to look at thrown away cigarettes, their packages, or cigar bands or butts or whatever.  People who throw these items on the ground are ignorant ninkapoops.  People who have ‘the need’ to smoke are weak, undisciplined, selfish and they don’t regard the health risk to  others like their own wives, and will smoke in the house even if children live there.  A child can’t keep a man of great size from smoking in the same room, but I sure don’t mind telling the same dude to stop it or get lost if they get near me or my friends. It is a pathetic state of affairs. A single puff of smoke across a thirty or forty foot room will put my wife into the hospital fighting for her life.  It will literally cost me thousands of dollars.  It shuts her breathing down.  Smoking does affect others in anyone’s family that DON’T Smoke.  Anyone that smokes inside their home where another doesn’t smoke, is a bully.  I especially detest women who smoke.  If people want to go behind the barn out of my sight and smoke . . . I suppose that might be all right as long as they didn’t throw their butts down into the pig sty and get that dirty.  I particularly am concerned about highly intelligent hogs having to deal with addicts that smoke.  These substance abusers are not strong enough to control their own lives. They should not be allowed to influence others.  If I had a customer who isn’t smoking or doesn’t smoke browsing in my shop I sure as heck won’t allow anyone else in the area to do it. Bill?  If you are man enough to put a big NO SMOKING Signs all over your store, I’ll send all my non-smoking friends over to your place. Besides.  Who likes to handle money tainted with nicotine anyway?  We burn any we get.  How about you? yack! Mr. G. "Ah?  You’re not going to light that right now are you?" "Excuse me, could you wait until I leave before lighting that up?" "Don’t light that up in my presence please.  It will make me sick." "When did you start smoking, may I ask, before doing so now – here?" "My God man!  I didn’t know you were a smoker!" Or if in a vehicle and they sneak aboard before everyone realizes we have a smoker passenger . . . we simply pull over to the side of the road and say, "You must refrain from smoking during this entire trip or get out right now."  (with a smile, of course) ______ OTHER WAYS OF CONTROLLING SMOKERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ADD THEM HERE ______ 1) As you said Bill.  Sorry if my observations has offended anyone.

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______ I admit that I am trolling a bit with the below post, but my heart screams when I see a friend of mine smoking. George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ______ Doesn’t offend me or many, many others here at all Bill.  For me?  I simply won’t allow anyone near my family or on my property that wants to use any kind of tobacco products.  I detest it so.  It is a filthy, selfish, arrogant, poisoning, deadly, habit.  More often than not, people who smoke are selfish but worse yet, they are 100% inconsiderate of others.  Not only is the secondary smoke offensive, just their visual presence is disgusting.  I can’t even stand to look at anyone that is smoking.  It makes me want to rip the cigarette out of their face and then slap them silly.  But I know this might be a little unreasonable and others may think I would be over reacting a bit.  I suppose everyone would be right regarding this fantasy.  I only wonder if others are so inclined and are just too shy to tell those who are smoking in their presence to kindly stop it in an other than an asking tone. No one fishes with me that smokes.  I can’t even stand to see anyone do it even from a distance.  Absolutely drives me ballistic because the habit has killed old friends of mine.  I really like people who DON’T smoke.  I like the fact that in a parking area and along the stream I don’t have to look at thrown away cigarettes, their packages, or cigar bands or butts or whatever.  People who throw these items on the ground are ignorant ninkapoops.  People who have ‘the need’ to smoke are weak, undisciplined, selfish and they don’t regard the health risk to  others like their own wives, and will smoke in the house even if children live there.  A child can’t keep a man of great size from smoking in the same room, but I sure don’t mind telling the same dude to stop it or get lost if they get near me or my friends. It is a pathetic state of affairs. A single puff of smoke across a thirty or forty foot room will put my wife into the hospital fighting for her life.  It will literally cost me thousands of dollars.  It shuts her breathing down.  Smoking does affect others in anyone’s family that DON’T Smoke.  Anyone that smokes inside their home where another doesn’t smoke, is a bully.  I especially detest women who smoke.  If people want to go behind the barn out of my sight and smoke . . . I suppose that might be all right as long as they didn’t throw their butts down into the pig sty and get that dirty.  I particularly am concerned about highly intelligent hogs having to deal with addicts that smoke.  These substance abusers are not strong enough to control their own lives. They should not be allowed to influence others.  If I had a customer who isn’t smoking or doesn’t smoke browsing in my shop I sure as heck won’t allow anyone else in the area to do it. Bill?  If you are man enough to put a big NO SMOKING Signs all over your store, I’ll send all my non-smoking friends over to your place. Besides.  Who likes to handle money tainted with nicotine anyway?  We burn any we get.  How about you? yack! Mr. G. "Ah?  You’re not going to light that right now are you?" "Excuse me, could you wait until I leave before lighting that up?" "Don’t light that up in my presence please.  It will make me sick." "When did you start smoking, may I ask, before doing so now – here?" "My God man!  I didn’t know you were a smoker!" Or if in a vehicle and they sneak aboard before everyone realizes we have a smoker passenger . . . we simply pull over to the side of the road and say, "You must refrain from smoking during this entire trip or get out right now."  (with a smile, of course) ______ OTHER WAYS OF CONTROLLING SMOKERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ADD THEM HERE ______ 1) As you said Bill.  Sorry if my observations has offended anyone.

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory. Without the contamination of the fly by nicotine tainted fingers, ALL the fish that your fly came into contact with would, without exception, be fooled into taking and therefore caught. This would cause havoc, especially amongst the catch and kill anglers who would have to go home after only two or three minutes fishing. Streams, rivers and lakes would be denuded of fish, tackle manufacturers and fly tying businesses would go out of business, chaos would ensue! Do your duty Scott. Go and buy at least two packets of the cheapest and foulest smelling cigars you can find and protect our sport, fish and rivers. — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

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I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar)

Tell us was it a Passing Cloud, I hope not, otherwise you know that means – someones been over here trying to take OUR fish — Bill

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory.

Let us take a broader view!  Consider this – whenever I smell a cigar I think of Christmas.  Who the Hell wants to think of Christmas during the fishing season? — Bill

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If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of?

Perhaps…but I’ve found a better "trick".  My daughter purchased a nice flask to carry in my vest.  I fill it with a bit of alcoholic beverage and, when fishing is really slow, I sip away at my flask.  I don’t catch any more fish than I did before, but the slow times seem more enjoyable Barry

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Vinnies smokes from dawn to dusk – I just wish it was tobacco….. :0) JE

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Cigars not cigarettes. I’ve often been sickened on a lake when a buddy lights one up 50 yards away. They say it drives off insects. I’ve never actually seen a smoker catch a fish however. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

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A couple of years ago, I caught a 3 1/2 lb’er at a small stillwater called ‘Northbank’ near Peterborough (UK).  When I spooned the fish, all I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar).  Perhaps some of our fish are acquiring the taste?

…and I’ve caught a nice Lake George, NY Landlocked Salmon whose stomach contained a cigarette butt AND a foil gum wrapper.  Perhaps he wanted to freshen his breath after the smoke? But to the point of the thread…   I am a reformed smoker; I quit five years ago.   BUT, when I’m on my annual spring striper pilgrimage to Cape Cod, I smoke.   Two weeks later, when I get home, no more smoking.  (Same thing during a duck hunting vacation, too.)   And I remember when I quit, the times I wanted a smoke the most was when I was standing knee-deep in the Battenkill.  Most people who quit say they want one the worst after a meal, or when having a beer.  Not me.  I wanted one when I was fishing… and I don’t even remember ever smoking while I was fishing during my smoking years.  Funny. Bob Scott

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

Hi All, I would say that a very small percentage of fly fisher persons smoke cigarettes. I think I would know as I can smell it on anyone that walks in my store and very few do. Most fly fisherman seem to be fairly intelligent and probably realize that if they want to live a long time they should not smoke cigarettes. Puffin’ on a cigar at stream side once and a while would kill you. Sorry if my observations has offended anyone. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Scott  No they don’t. But a cigar or a pipe helps to keep  the bugs off you while on the water. Or  so I have been told. As I smoke a pipe I find it dose  work  for me most of  the time.   I don’t know what I will do next week on vacation, the smokeing lamp is out in  the northern part of Michigan.  Tight lines

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory. Without the contamination of the fly by nicotine tainted fingers, ALL the fish that your fly came into contact with would, without exception, be fooled into taking and therefore caught. This would cause havoc, especially amongst the catch and kill anglers who would have to go home after only two or three minutes fishing. Streams, rivers and lakes would be denuded of fish, tackle manufacturers and fly tying businesses would go out of business, chaos would ensue! Do your duty Scott. Go and buy at least two packets of the cheapest and foulest smelling cigars you can find and protect our sport, fish and rivers. —

A couple of years ago, I caught a 3 1/2 lb’er at a small stillwater called ‘Northbank’ near Peterborough (UK).  When I spooned the fish, all I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar).  Perhaps some of our fish are acquiring the taste? Tight lungs, — Stuart Nuttall (Replace ‘nospam’ with ‘nuttll’ to reply by e-mail)

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

     Caught us, Yes it was a secret, like getting a waitress to bring your meal after ordering, like spoting an 8 point white tail, or in the fishermans case the drag squealing with the strongest hit you’ve ever known in an otherwise fishless day. It always happens (in the last two cases) when the rod/rifle is cradled in the crook of the arm while you light up before heading home. IT’S THE RULE!                                                         John Popp                                                     in Sanford Fl.

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EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE ORDERED HAS EVENTUALLY DIED.  I STOPPED BUYING FROM THEM SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

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A much cheaper way to get the Wayside catalog is to buy that little something from Parks Seeds. I’ve been getting both for several years now, even though I’ve never bought anything from Wayside. I’m not very likely to either, since their zone ratings are complete hogwash, and their offerings are much more tailored to their climate than mine. — Kay Cangemi New York, USDA zone 5

Thank you all for sparing me from Wayside! I found a nice big fat shrubby blue hibiscus at one of our local garden shops for $14.95 and I can find the asclepsis tuberosa ice ballet at the schlocky but usually ok places like Gurney’s or Jungs for 4 bucks. As for the clethra — the "plethra" of negative comments were validated Thanks to you all again. And Wayside, keep sending me those catalogs. They’re a great read! Judy VW Indy Zone 5 — Don’t like my driving? Call 1-800-BITE-ME.

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I’ll have to admit that many years ago, it was Wayside Gardens that really piqued my interest with their catalog.  Yes, they are quite pricy, but they also stand by everything they sell. However, if you want to spend the time to look around, you can find just about all the items available from smaller nurseries (plain paper catalogs, no pictures, etc) for a lot less. — Don Martinson "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method." – Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82

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I think Wayside is worth it just for the catalog, so I try to buy a "little something" from them every year, just to get the catalogs. However, they are completely overpriced!  Bluestone Perrenials also gets my vote. Kathleen Zone 6 – New Jersey

 I too think Wayside is way to high, and I have ordered from Bluestone Perennials every year. Bluestone gets my vote too. Mary Zone 5 St. Louis

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… since their zone ratings are complete hogwash, and their offerings are much more tailored to their climate than mine. — Kay Cangemi New York, USDA zone 5

  You had your chance when they were in Ohio.  Then I always had to subtract one (still do actually) for the southern limit of their zones. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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I think Wayside is worth it just for the catalog, so I try to buy a "little something" from them every year, just to get the catalogs. However, they are completely overpriced!  Bluestone Perrenials also gets my vote. Kathleen Zone 6 – New Jersey

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I think Wayside is worth it just for the catalog, so I try to buy a "little something" from them every year, just to get the catalogs. However, they are completely overpriced!  Bluestone Perrenials also gets my vote.

A much cheaper way to get the Wayside catalog is to buy that little something from Parks Seeds. I’ve been getting both for several years now, even though I’ve never bought anything from Wayside. I’m not very likely to either, since their zone ratings are complete hogwash, and their offerings are much more tailored to their climate than mine. — Kay Cangemi New York, USDA zone 5

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Wayside used to be a good source.  I know their prices are outlandish, but the yr’s guarantee is a good perk.  This yr not only did it take Wayside more than 3 mos to get my order out, the quality was really poor.  Several items were backordered, and on some I’ve already requested refunds because they were dead or died soon after planting.  Don’t waste your money anymore on Wayside – try Bluestone Perennials. Linda Slusser – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m about to take the plunge. They have a blue hibiscus, a vanilla scented butterfly weed and something called a clethra alnifolia rosea (aka:summersweet). But the prices — they are INSANE!!! So before I spend all my birthday bucks on overpriced dreck, please let me know yea or nay. Who here has ordered and what happened when you did? Is Thanx Judy Indy Zone 5 — Don’t like my driving? Call 1-800-BITE-ME.

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I’m about to take the plunge. They have a blue hibiscus, a vanilla scented butterfly weed and something called a clethra alnifolia rosea (aka:summersweet). But the prices — they are INSANE!!! So before I spend all my birthday bucks on overpriced dreck, please let me know yea or nay. Who here has ordered and what happened when you did? Is Thanx Judy Indy Zone 5 — Don’t like my driving? Call 1-800-BITE-ME.

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Hi, Just wondered if anyone out there owns and fishes off a JonBoat..  I’ve considered buying one for the winter season to do a lot of shallow water fishing down here in South Florida.  I’m favoring a small sized boat 12′ or under, and i was hoping someone could give me there views on how these boats performed for flats/bay fishing, or just getting around for fun..   Also, if anyone has a 3Hp motor any make or model, how do u feel that performs.  I know many of them hold only like a quart of fuel, just wondered how long u can run on a quart during ideal conditions(weather).   Please email any comments, thanks!  pr

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I’ve been fishing an 11 1/2′ aluminum jon boat for years on the bonefish and redfish flats of Florida, and I love it.  I use the same boat summers up here in Maryland on the Potomac for smallmouth bass.  It’s indestructible and floats in about 5 inches of water.  With one person on board, it’s plenty stable.  I carpeted the bottom to cut down on noise and to keep the fly line from catching on the slats and ribs on the bottom. For a motor (when I use one), I prefer an electric motor (35lb thrust), which moves it along pretty well.  Most of the time I pole or row.  To be honest, I use it to get myself to the flat and then wade if possible (except up north near JAX, where the bottom is too mushy), but all in all it’s a great fishing platform. Regards, Doug

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Hi, I think a small john boat is great for spur of the moment fishing. Have used one off and on for over 30 years. Enen tho’ I now have a 17 ft. bass boat and a salt water boat I still use the jon boat once in awhile. Mine has a 6 horse Johnson and before thsat I used a 5 horse. It’s great for crabbing, floundering as well as fishing. Good Luck PresG

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Hi, Just wondered if anyone out there owns and fishes off a JonBoat..  I’ve considered buying one for the winter season to do a lot of shallow water fishing down here in South Florida.  I’m favoring a small sized boat 12′ or under, and i was hoping someone could give me there views on how these boats performed for flats/bay fishing, or just getting around for fun.. Also, if anyone has a 3Hp motor any make or model, how do u feel that performs.  I know many of them hold only like a quart of fuel, just wondered how long u can run on a quart during ideal conditions(weather). Please email any comments, thanks!  pr

Have a 3 horse Yamaha on an Old Town 13 foot Discovery Sport Boat. Yamaha has given me no trouble for 4 years. Holds about a quart of pre-mix 100 to 1 ( yes, 100 to 1 ) gas and oil and runs for about 3 hours at trolling speed. Have used this rig from CT lakes all the way up to the Grand Lakes of Maine. Car tops, and is great for river launch. Boat weighs 80 pounds, motor 32 pounds . In my opinion, I’d can the jon boat and take a hard look at this combination. Neil

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Just so you know, seminar fees are only $385; fishing and hunting portions of the trip are not deductible. With outfitters,lodges,speakers, materials to be paid, it is no more profitable than than any other legitimate business. Basically, it’s the same kind of deduction any business or profession can take for business-related expenses and available to just about anyone in any profession or business who qualifies. Requirements are tight -nobody is being taken advantage of.

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: Just so you know, seminar fees are only $385; fishing and hunting portions : of the trip are not deductible. With outfitters,lodges,speakers, : materials to be paid, it is no more profitable than than any other : legitimate business. Basically, it’s the same kind of deduction any : business or profession can take for business-related expenses and : available to just about anyone in any profession or business who : qualifies. Requirements are tight -nobody is being taken advantage of. Don’t try and doubletalk the good folks.  Travel and accomodations are tax deductible.  Fishing and hunting guide fees are probably not deductible.   (At least that is what a tax professional told me when I asked about some work related deducaitons.)  You didn’t address the objections raised about posting here.  Many of us would prefer blatant commercial posts with no content not be posted here. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Don’t try and doubletalk the good folks.  Travel and accomodations are tax deductible.  Fishing and hunting guide fees are probably not deductible. (At least that is what a tax professional told me when I asked about some work related deducaitons.)  You didn’t address the objections raised about posting here.  Many of us would prefer blatant commercial posts with no content not be posted here. –Rick

I agree with you regarding the posting of this sort of commercial add.   Regarding travel and accomodations:  these expenses are deductable only if the primary purpose for which they were incurred relates to the educational seminar.  In other words, one cannot take a one day seminar in Montana, followed by 4 days of fly fishing and then write off the all of the travel and expenses.  I believe most of this topic is covered in 26 CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) Sec. 1.162-5 Expenses for education. A few examples from 26 CFR Sec 1.162-5 are set forth below, enjoy:     "Example (1). A, a self-employed tax practitioner, decides to take     a 1-week course in new developments in taxation, which is offered     in City X, 500 miles away from his home.  His primary purpose in     going to X is to take the course, but he also takes a side trip to     City Y (50 miles from X) for 1 day, takes a sightseeing trip while     in X, and entertains some personal friends.  A’s transportation     expenses to City X and return to his home are deductible but his     transportation expenses to City Y are not deductible.  A’s expenses     for meals and lodging while away from home will be allocated     between his educational pursuits and his personal activities.     Those expenses which are entirely personal, such as sightseeing and     entertaining friends, are not deductible to any extent.       Example (2). The facts are the same as in example (1) except that     A’s primary purpose in going to City X is to take a vacation.  This     purpose is indicated by several factors, one of which is the fact     that he spends only 1 week attending the tax course and devotes 5     weeks entirely to personal activities.  None of A’s transportation     expenses are deductible and his expenses for meals and lodging     while away from home are not deductible to the extent attributable     to personal activities.  His expenses for meals and lodging     allocable to the week attending the tax course are, however,     deductible.       Example (3). B, a high school mathematics teacher in New York     City, in the summertime travels to a university in California in     order to take a mathematics course the expense of which is     deductible under this section.  B pursues only one-fourth of a full     course of study and the remainder of her time is devoted to     personal activities the expense of which is not deductible.  Absent     a showing by B of a substantial nonpersonal reason for taking the     course in the university in California, the trip is considered     taken primarily for personal reasons and the cost of traveling from     New York City to California and return would not be deductible.     However, one-fourth of the cost of B’s meals and lodging while     attending the university in California may be considered properly     allocable to deductible educational pursuits and, therefore, is     deductible." If you realy want to see the rest of this code section, let me know. Andy

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Andy What if you "attend" a meeting for 30 minutes each day and have the rest of the day off? Each day would be a training day! DB

Caveat;  I’m no tax attorney, but I’ll give my two cents. The regs require that the primary purpose of the travel, lodging, etc. be for the educational seminar before the costs can be deducted.  Were I the IRS agent (not an enviable position), I would have to conclude that the primary purpose of a trip composed of 30 mins of educational seminar per day, followed by as many hours as one can fit in the rest of the day for fishing, would be fishing not professional education. Accordingly, travel, lodging, etc. expenses would not be deductible.  Maybe you would be allowed to prorate the expense, however.  That is, deduct expense in proportion to time spent on legit pursuits.  Well, legit according to the IRS, anyway. Exactly how much time you must spend in seminars per dya to make all expenses deductible, I don’t know.  I imagine that would be evalauted on a case-by-case basis. Andy

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