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I live 20 miles southeast of dayton and trying to find some streams or rivers to fish for trout if possible since i’m still new to fly fishing , I have only been in the lakes and ponds fishing for bass and bluegill .   So far I have found alot of areas to fish for bass, bluegill and carp but not one trout yet , any info would help and would be appreciated .

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What’s the first rank after tenderfoot? Well, anyhow, having just gotten beyond that myself, let me be the first to chastise you for not doing a simple search….you might have discovered these links… http://www.state.oh.us/agr/trout.html http://www.activedayton.com/community/groups/mvff/Stream_Reports.html http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/wildlife/fishing/fairport/page6.html http://www.fishohio.net/ http://home.att.net/~tumadmen/Links/links.html http://www.flyshop.com/Centers/Midwest/7-98Mad/ http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/wildlife/fishing/ http://home.att.net/~jorgeddr/fish.htm ..but then we all learn don’t we? And one thing you’ll learn is that it is a popular misconception is that fly fishing means trout. Granted the two go hand in hand, particular in mountain streams where fly fishing lends itself much more readily to the circumstances. For trout, it’s but a few hours to the Smokies, or even West Virginia if you wish to get away a little bit. Ohio is not exactly a trout fisherman’s paradise but they can be found…… I figure you have to be down around Ceasars Creek somewhere. Now, I pounded many a fruitless hour on the distant streams while learning how to fish for trout (spooky little devils they are) when I should have been fishing my local waters…for smallmouth bass. Brush Creek, the Little Miami, Ceasars creek from the spillway to the Little Miami, any of the roller dams on the Miami are productive and I like the Miami above Dayton in particular. The upper Mad is good for trout and the lower Mad is dynamite for smallmouth bass…..yes these streams are smallmouth bass streams. Smallmouth are the dominate fish here in Ohio. Don’t ignore good fishing just because you have a flyrod and think that you *have* to fish for trout.  I fish for all species of fish, using a flyrod exclusively, not using a flyrod exclusively for trout….

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I live 20 miles southeast of dayton and trying to find some streams or rivers to fish for trout if possible since i’m still new to fly fishing , I have only been in the lakes and ponds fishing for bass and bluegill .   So far I have found alot of areas to fish for bass, bluegill and carp but not one trout yet , any info would help and would be appreciated .

Just catching up on ROFF and noticed your post. You can get trout in the Mad River above Urbana off RT 68.  Go up there about 8-12 miles past Urbana and take one of many township roads that go left and cross over the Mad.  It is about 20-30 ft wide in this area and does hold trout in the smaller size range, mostly under 10 in.  They are a wary bunch and difficult to catch but they are there.  There is a certain hole up there that holds a number of over 12 in trout on a regular basis but I can’t remember off hand what the crossroad is, but could possibly look it up in my Ohio Gazetteer map which at this moment is in my truck, four floors down from my condo in Florida.  If you are going up there I could probably try to find that little mark on the map for you, let me know. Also,  try   http://www.madriveroutfitters.com/   They guide up there on a regular basis. Regards,  Jim McCreary

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the first rank after tenderfoot? Well, anyhow, having just gotten beyond that myself, let me be the first to chastise you for not doing a simple search….you might have discovered these links… http://www.state.oh.us/agr/trout.html http://www.activedayton.com/community/groups/mvff/Stream_Reports.html http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/wildlife/fishing/fairport/page6.html http://www.fishohio.net/ http://home.att.net/~tumadmen/Links/links.html http://www.flyshop.com/Centers/Midwest/7-98Mad/ http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/wildlife/fishing/ http://home.att.net/~jorgeddr/fish.htm ..but then we all learn don’t we? And one thing you’ll learn is that it is a popular misconception is that fly fishing means trout. Granted the two go hand in hand, particular in mountain streams where fly fishing lends itself much more readily to the circumstances. For trout, it’s but a few hours to the Smokies, or even West Virginia if you wish to get away a little bit. Ohio is not exactly a trout fisherman’s paradise but they can be found…… I figure you have to be down around Ceasars Creek somewhere. Now, I pounded many a fruitless hour on the distant streams while learning how to fish for trout (spooky little devils they are) when I should have been fishing my local waters…for smallmouth bass. Brush Creek, the Little Miami, Ceasars creek from the spillway to the Little Miami, any of the roller dams on the Miami are productive and I like the Miami above Dayton in particular. The upper Mad is good for trout and the lower Mad is dynamite for smallmouth bass…..yes these streams are smallmouth bass streams. Smallmouth are the dominate fish here in Ohio. Don’t ignore good fishing just because you have a flyrod and think that you *have* to fish for trout.  I fish for all species of fish, using a flyrod exclusively, not using a flyrod exclusively for trout….

gawdangit john, if feasible, yer ugly mug would be most welcome to accompany my equally, if not more so hideous self on a trout stream or two… or three. ya know the place, ya know da number… –waldo

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[ . . . ] "Since his graduation from Princeton summa cum laude in 1983, Walter Kirn ‘83 has studied at Oxford University, worked as an editor at Spy magazine in New York City, published an acclaimed collection of stories, My Hard Bargain, and a novel, She Needed Me, and freelanced for various publications. Six years ago, he left Manhattan for Montana, attracted by the silence and the barking dogs that keep one from going ‘too deep into the verbal jungle.’ He became New York magazine’s book critic and continues to write regularly for several New York-based national publications from Montana, where he lives with his wife, Maggie-the daughter of actress Margot Kidder and writer Tom McGuane-and their 10-month-old baby, Maisie . . . .

[ . . . ] This isn’t real, is it? Are you sure one of the _New York Magazine_ competition writers didn’t do this? E. Penrose

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This is rich. In the May 31, 1999 issue of Time Magazine, featuring a Special Report: How to Spot a Troubled Kid, Walter Kirn, author of the article "Inside Ritalin" wrote a piece titled: "The Danger of Suppressing Sadness – What if Holden Caulfield had been taking Prozac?" Holden Caufield, as I’m sure you remember, was the dropout hero of J.D. Salinger’s "The Catcher in the Rye." In that article, Kirn states: " . . . . I know from my own experience with clinical depression (contracted as an adult and treated with a combination of therapy and drugs) that such diseases are real and formidable, impossible to wish away . . . ." Pshaw. Tom

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I purchased the December issue of GQ today, which because of the really hot pictures of Charlize Theron on the cover and elsewhere in the magazine, wasn’t a total waste of $3.00. The article, "Inside Ritalin," by Walter Kirn is a complete work of fiction, in my opinion, both as it related to Kirn’s ADD status – ". . . . the symptoms first appeared in junior high school . . . ." – and his experience with Ritalin – " . . . . there I am, as jazzed as any speed freak who’s just put his girlfriend in the hospital after an all-night quarrel in a motel room . . . . ," unless he was taking 800 mg. a day. Kirn is a book critic and fiction writer.  His 1999

novel "Thumbsucker" is a – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – cynical coming of age story.  "When young Justin Cobb is finally cured of his thumbsucking habit, his obsessions change to less benign ones that include sex, drugs, fly-fishing, Mormonism, and Ritalin. This comic novel is set vividly in the world of the 1980s." From the Princeton "In Review" November 3, 1999 http://www.princeton.edu/~paw/archive_old/PAW99-00/04- 1103/1103irtx.html "Interview with Walter Kirn ‘83 "Since his graduation from Princeton summa cum laude in 1983, Walter Kirn ‘83 has studied at Oxford University, worked as an editor at Spy magazine in New York City, published an acclaimed collection of stories, My Hard Bargain, and a novel, She Needed Me, and freelanced for various publications. Six years ago, he left Manhattan for Montana, attracted by the silence and the barking dogs that keep one from going ‘too deep into the verbal jungle.’ He became New York magazine’s book critic and continues to write regularly for several New York-based national publications from Montana, where he lives with his wife, Maggie-the daughter of actress Margot Kidder and writer Tom McGuane- and their 10-month-old baby, Maisie . . . . "Q: Do you feel torn between fiction and nonfiction? "A: My primary ambition is to be a fiction writer. At some point I made a conscious decision not to teach-yet-and so the alternative was quote unquote grub street, which I think is an honorable tradition much maligned by the lofty academics of the 20th century. I write for four magazines-Vanity Fair, GQ, Time, and New York-and for each one I try to exercise a different faculty. . . . Being a critic wasn’t an aspiration of mine, but it was something I could do from Montana, where I moved six years ago . . . . "Q: Tell us about your family. "A: I grew up in a tiny Minnesota town of 500 people called Marine-on-St.-Croix. My father actually went to Princeton, Class of 1960, and was a patent attorney at 3M in Minnesota. My mother, like the mother in Thumbsucker, was a registered nurse. In its vital statistics, the family in the book very much resembles my own. But I get tired of explaining: A writer’s like the magpie, he picks everything shiny and brings it back to his nest . . . It’s mix and match, exaggerate, distort, delete, imagine-it’s not transcribe." "Mix and match, exaggerate, distort, delete, imagine" fairly describes Kirn’s purportedly autobiographical "Inside Ritalin." Watch out for "literary types" and save your $3.00 for something

useful. Tell us more about those pictures…. — Mark Probert Make sure your vote counts–DO NOT vote from the Banana Republic of Florida!

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I read Vanity Fair regularly, and have never noticed thisWalter Kim……am I missing something?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I purchased the December issue of GQ today, which because of the really hot pictures of Charlize Theron on the cover and elsewhere in the magazine, wasn’t a total waste of $3.00. The article, "Inside Ritalin," by Walter Kirn is a complete work of fiction, in my opinion, both as it related to Kirn’s ADD status – ". . . . the symptoms first appeared in junior high school . . . ." – and his experience with Ritalin – " . . . . there I am, as jazzed as any speed freak who’s just put his girlfriend in the hospital after an all-night quarrel in a motel room . . . . ," unless he was taking 800 mg. a day. Kirn is a book critic and fiction writer.  His 1999 novel "Thumbsucker" is a cynical coming of age story.  "When young Justin Cobb is finally cured of his thumbsucking habit, his obsessions change to less benign ones that include sex, drugs, fly-fishing, Mormonism, and Ritalin. This comic novel is set vividly in the world of the 1980s." From the Princeton "In Review" November 3, 1999 http://www.princeton.edu/~paw/archive_old/PAW99-00/04- 1103/1103irtx.html "Interview with Walter Kirn ‘83 "Since his graduation from Princeton summa cum laude in 1983, Walter Kirn ‘83 has studied at Oxford University, worked as an editor at Spy magazine in New York City, published an acclaimed collection of stories, My Hard Bargain, and a novel, She Needed Me, and freelanced for various publications. Six years ago, he left Manhattan for Montana, attracted by the silence and the barking dogs that keep one from going ‘too deep into the verbal jungle.’ He became New York magazine’s book critic and continues to write regularly for several New York-based national publications from Montana, where he lives with his wife, Maggie-the daughter of actress Margot Kidder and writer Tom McGuane- and their 10-month-old baby, Maisie . . . . "Q: Do you feel torn between fiction and nonfiction? "A: My primary ambition is to be a fiction writer. At some point I made a conscious decision not to teach-yet-and so the alternative was quote unquote grub street, which I think is an honorable tradition much maligned by the lofty academics of the 20th century. I write for four magazines-Vanity Fair, GQ, Time, and New York-and for each one I try to exercise a different faculty. . . . Being a critic wasn’t an aspiration of mine, but it was something I could do from Montana, where I moved six years ago . . . . "Q: Tell us about your family. "A: I grew up in a tiny Minnesota town of 500 people called Marine-on-St.-Croix. My father actually went to Princeton, Class of 1960, and was a patent attorney at 3M in Minnesota. My mother, like the mother in Thumbsucker, was a registered nurse. In its vital statistics, the family in the book very much resembles my own. But I get tired of explaining: A writer’s like the magpie, he picks everything shiny and brings it back to his nest . . . It’s mix and match, exaggerate, distort, delete, imagine-it’s not transcribe." "Mix and match, exaggerate, distort, delete, imagine" fairly describes Kirn’s purportedly autobiographical "Inside Ritalin." Watch out for "literary types" and save your $3.00 for something useful. Tell us more about those pictures…. — Mark Probert Make sure your vote counts–DO NOT vote from the Banana Republic of Florida!

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~~~ Words escape me.  Rent "The Devil’s Advocate" for a good gander, and don’t break the rewind button on your VCR remote. _____

Kim……am I missing something?" ~~~ He’s not not cup of espresso.  I did a google.com search on "Walter KIRN" and came up with a lot of stuff he’s written in "New York Magazine" and "Time", each of which have on-line versions, but I had never heard of him before. "Vanity Fair" is not on-line, as far as I can tell.   This doesn’t really answer your question, though. Cheers, Tom

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Magazine_ competition writers didn’t do this?" ~~~ It’s real in the same sense that the writings of Hunter S. Thompson are real. Cheers, Tom

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I purchased the December issue of GQ today, which because of the really hot pictures of Charlize Theron on the cover and elsewhere in the magazine, wasn’t a total waste of $3.00. The article, "Inside Ritalin," by Walter Kirn is a complete work of fiction, in my opinion, both as it related to Kirn’s ADD status – ". . . . the symptoms first appeared in junior high school . . . ." – and his experience with Ritalin – " . . . . there I am, as jazzed as any speed freak who’s just put his girlfriend in the hospital after an all-night quarrel in a motel room . . . . ," unless he was taking 800 mg. a day. Kirn is a book critic and fiction writer.  His 1999 novel "Thumbsucker" is a cynical coming of age story.  "When young Justin Cobb is finally cured of his thumbsucking habit, his obsessions change to less benign ones that include sex, drugs, fly-fishing, Mormonism, and Ritalin. This comic novel is set vividly in the world of the 1980s." From the Princeton "In Review" November 3, 1999 http://www.princeton.edu/~paw/archive_old/PAW99-00/04-1103/1103irtx.html "Interview with Walter Kirn ‘83 "Since his graduation from Princeton summa cum laude in 1983, Walter Kirn ‘83 has studied at Oxford University, worked as an editor at Spy magazine in New York City, published an acclaimed collection of stories, My Hard Bargain, and a novel, She Needed Me, and freelanced for various publications. Six years ago, he left Manhattan for Montana, attracted by the silence and the barking dogs that keep one from going ‘too deep into the verbal jungle.’ He became New York magazine’s book critic and continues to write regularly for several New York-based national publications from Montana, where he lives with his wife, Maggie-the daughter of actress Margot Kidder and writer Tom McGuane-and their 10-month-old baby, Maisie . . . . "Q: Do you feel torn between fiction and nonfiction? "A: My primary ambition is to be a fiction writer. At some point I made a conscious decision not to teach-yet-and so the alternative was quote unquote grub street, which I think is an honorable tradition much maligned by the lofty academics of the 20th century. I write for four magazines-Vanity Fair, GQ, Time, and New York-and for each one I try to exercise a different faculty. . . . Being a critic wasn’t an aspiration of mine, but it was something I could do from Montana, where I moved six years ago . . . . "Q: Tell us about your family. "A: I grew up in a tiny Minnesota town of 500 people called Marine-on-St.-Croix. My father actually went to Princeton, Class of 1960, and was a patent attorney at 3M in Minnesota. My mother, like the mother in Thumbsucker, was a registered nurse. In its vital statistics, the family in the book very much resembles my own. But I get tired of explaining: A writer’s like the magpie, he picks everything shiny and brings it back to his nest . . . It’s mix and match, exaggerate, distort, delete, imagine-it’s not transcribe." "Mix and match, exaggerate, distort, delete, imagine" fairly describes Kirn’s purportedly autobiographical "Inside Ritalin." Watch out for "literary types" and save your $3.00 for something useful. Cheers, Tom

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Found a nice little local lake here in Idaho that has special largemouth bass regulations.  I also found that this body of water holds bluegill that are larger than the bass. Most are using rubber spiders to haul them in.  Does anyone have any other fly suggestions/experiences. Not hitting leaches or whollybuggers, only small bass.

Pass Lake; black body, white wing, in size 12 or 14.  On any given cast it is virtually impossible to predict whether it will be a dry fly or wet.  Doesn’t matter; gills love ‘em!

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  I also found that this body of water holds bluegill that are larger than the bass. Most are using rubber spiders to haul them in.  Does anyone have any other fly suggestions/experiences. Not hitting leaches or whollybuggers, only small bass.

Here in northeast PA the rivers and creeks are really high due to lots of rain so i’ve been hitting the ponds and small lakes.   Been catching alot of nice gills with a size 8 black and red wooly worm. minkaz

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Went to my local trout stream today and didn’t have any luck at all with the trout, but when I put on a muddler minnow I tied I immediately landed 3 small fish: one nice sized bluegill/sunfish (I was shocked to even see one in this stream), and 2 fish I have no idea what they were. One was dark gray on top, a light gray/white on sides, and the cool thing about it was, all of its fins were a deep, beautiful bright red. Pretty little fish. Anyone know what it is?

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Went to my local trout stream today and didn’t have any luck at all with the trout, but when I put on a muddler minnow I tied I immediately landed 3 small fish: one nice sized bluegill/sunfish (I was shocked to even see one in this stream), and 2 fish I have no idea what they were. One was dark gray on top, a light gray/white on sides, and the cool thing about it was, all of its fins were a deep, beautiful bright red. Pretty little fish. Anyone know what it is?

Mark You didn’t say where you were fishing, but if it was Maine, it could’ve been a blueback trout – very rare. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I ‘ve had luck with bumble/honey bee imitations….fished kinda wet with a twitch now and then……john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Found a nice little local lake here in Idaho that has special largemouth bass regulations.  I also found that this body of water holds bluegill that are larger than the bass. Most are using rubber spiders to haul them in.  Does anyone have any other fly suggestions/experiences. Not hitting leaches or whollybuggers, only small bass.

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Would that be Crane Falls near Bruneau?  I caught a 17" bass there last week.  I was using a black beadhead bugger.  When after ‘gills I usually use popping bugs in any color.  Fished around the shoreline. Don Burkes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Found a nice little local lake here in Idaho that has special largemouth bass regulations.  I also found that this body of water holds bluegill that are larger than the bass. Most are using rubber spiders to haul them in.  Does anyone have any other fly suggestions/experiences. Not hitting leaches or whollybuggers, only small bass.

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I am in Idaho also, Boise, if we are thinking of the same resevoir, I have done very well with #10 damsel nymphs.  Haven’t fished it this year due to shoulder surgery, but I have heard some good reports.   Clint

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Went to my local trout stream today and didn’t have any luck at all with the trout, but when I put on a muddler minnow I tied I immediately landed 3 small fish: one nice sized bluegill/sunfish (I was shocked to even see one in this stream), and 2 fish I have no idea what they were. One was dark gray on top, a light gray/white on sides, and the cool thing about it was, all of its fins were a deep, beautiful bright red. Pretty little fish. Anyone know what it is?

Where were you fishing? What was the body shape? What did the mouth look like? From the colors, I’m halfway guessing it to be a redhorse sucker. Vegetables aren’t food. Vegetables are what the food eats.

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bass regulations.  I also found that this body of water holds bluegill that are larger than the bass. Most are using rubber spiders to haul them in.  Does anyone have any other fly suggestions/experiences.

Actually, I had a similar experience this past memorial day. We went to a private campground with several large ponds that have been seriously overfished (or so we were told) and caught several stringers worth of fryers, and a good dozen 6"-7"ers as well. (Not to mention a few crappies and small bass) The most productive flies were various dry flies, but most of the bigger fish hit on fuzzy bumblebees fished wet. Mine had rubber legs, but they liked the legless variety just as well. The only large ones we caught on top hit on foam spiders, and grasshoppers. I have caught a few large ones on poppers and buggers, but for some reason they love the bumblebees. — <signature <! impressive references and witty saying goes here </signature Before you buy.

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Found a nice little local lake here in Idaho that has special largemouth bass regulations.  I also found that this body of water holds bluegill that are larger than the bass. Most are using rubber spiders to haul them in.  Does anyone have any other fly suggestions/experiences. Not hitting leaches or whollybuggers, only small bass.

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"Bluegill Fly Fishing and Flies" by Wilson will have a lot of suggestions for you, it’s basically all about large bluegill on the fly. Regards, Jeff

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My favorites are: a McGinty, a black gnat, a coachman. In that order, all wet, all size 8-10. If I’m catching too many small fish I switch to a small streamer. I like a Mickey Finn or a simple silver tinsel body with a squiral tail wing, both size 10.    Jim * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I’m going to Roatan, Honduras on June 8 for a week or so and I hope to do some fishing and kayaking. I will be packing an 8wt Sage and a FeatherCraft and I will be able to paddle pretty far to hit a good fishig spot. I have never been to the island, Any ideas? Any help is appreciated. peace, Brent McMahan Sibley/Peteet Design

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Brent, I’ve been to Roatan but unfortunately didn’t take a fly rod.  However Jack Samson in "Saltwater Fly Fishing" Stackpool Books, 1991 has several hints about numerous fish and fishing spots around the Bay Islands. Have fun. Herb

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We are planning to spent a week over the holidays on Roatan and would like info on fly fishing in that area from anyone who has been there.

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<< We are planning to spent a week over the holidays on Roatan and would like info on fly fishing in that area from anyone who has been there.   Lee, you have no idea how lucky you are.  Roatan is really a wonderful island. The unspoiled beauty is amazing and the people are really friendly.   Be prepared though, because Roatan is about as third world as you can get. There is one road that runs most of the way down the island.  It has various deep potholes in it and it becomes dirt if you go far enough.  Many of people live in homes without windows and I would suspect dirt floors.  However, the standard of living seems to be increasing now that NCL has two ships that stop on the island.   The NCL Sea arrives on Thursday morning so you can be sure to plan your outings around the addition of 800 people to the island.  Avoid places like Tabyana beach and Fantasy Island as these are extremely popular destinations with cruise line passengers. I didn’t get a chance to fish while I was there.  We only had one day and went dolphin swimming and snorkeling at Half Moon Bay.  There was a charter boat by the pier though and he charged like $15 an hour for two people.  He had all saltwater gear though but I would bet he would take into the flats for some fly fishing. One last thing.  If you use a taxi, make sure you don’t pay them until they pick you up.  Otherwise you will only be contributing to somebodys retirement fund and will be stranded, hehe.  Email me if you have more questions . Mike

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It has been several years since I was there so things could be better.  The good news, there are fair bones and lots of permit there. The bad news, when I was there, there was only one guide and he was trying to get started. The island is so dive oriented, no one worries about fishing. Sorry, I can’t remember the name of the guide.

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After carefully weighing all the evidence, and hours of heart wrenching deliberation, I have come to the conclusion, that Walt just tripped over his "tackle" and was too modest/ashamed/proud/disgusted/afraid of incredulity, to admit it. TL MC

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After carefully weighing all the evidence, and hours of heart wrenching deliberation, I have come to the conclusion, that Walt just tripped over his "tackle" and was too modest/ashamed/proud/disgusted/afraid of incredulity, to admit it. TL MC

jeez mike…don’t encourage ‘em. waldo the anaconda — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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my week-long sabbatical in the blue ridge ends today, but i leave with more experience in the streams i love and having developed a better friendship with Walt Winter of ezflyfish.com..

Appreciate the reports, Jeff.  I think Tom Brown was up that way this weekend as well.  Fond memories of the Great North State……. Mark Faulkner

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Appreciate the reports, Jeff.  I think Tom Brown was up that way this weekend as well.  Fond memories of the Great North State……. Mark Faulkner

I wanted to go this weekend, but couldn’t get a dog sitter.  Probably just as well, there would have been more witnesses.  NEXT weekend – now that’s a different story.  I’m heading over on Friday and, if I make it back home, I’ll post an unambiguous, unfettered, true report of the ensuing activities (depending on circumstances and to the extent that my attorney allows). Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC HEATHEN, n. A benighted creature who has the folly to worship something that he can see and feel.                – Ambrose Bierce: The Devil’s Dictionary

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        my week-long sabbatical in the blue ridge ends today, but i leave with more experience in the streams i love and having developed a better friendship with Walt Winter of ezflyfish.com…walt martyred himself to fishing with me during these last 3 days, braving the wrath of his lovely spouse Marie and delaying the demands of his business until the late evening hours.           The first 3 days, i fished my usual spots.           one stream i consider "my" stream because of its closeness to my cabin, because i fish it every time i’m in the area hoping to get to know its entire length eventually, and because it always yields me a fish or two or several. it holds only wild browns and is overlooked by many of the fishing population (spinning and fly) because of its location and lower elevation (1400 feet). still, it has all of the characteristics of streams i love to hike and fish…wildlife (turkey, deer, grouse, snakes)can be seen on occasions, wildflowers blooming from spring through late fall, and a nice combination of deep pools, pocket water, and riffles with some small waterfalls and large boulders or rock formations.  there is a small trail for about 4 miles running beside the stream, which allows access to various points and gives an ability to avoid other fishermen/women or to share a nice day with a group of friends by staggering entries. the browns in the stream are as beautiful, "spooky", and feisty as any i’ve caught in any of the wild trout waters of the state.  On this trip, i deceived several nice brownies with a dave’s hopper, parachute adams, hare’s ear, and prince nymph.  the largest was 10 1/2 inches…above average for me in this stream…with the others in the 6 – 9 inch range, which is the size of fish generally caught in non-hatchery waters. on one trip, i caught an 8 inch brown out of the tail of a deep pool, and a big brown of at least 15-18 inches chased after it as i was bringing it in, so there are larger fish waiting to be taken with skillful and patient persistence…that big brown provides an enduring optimism and goal for future pursuits on "my" stream… jeff

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Does anyone know of any flyfishing in the Carlsbad New Mexico area? Thanks in advance for your help. Al Carlton

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Does anyone know of any flyfishing in the Carlsbad New Mexico area? Thanks

in advance for your help. Al Carlton<<< Warmwater fly-fishing? Or, trout?  For warmwater, consult a local guide or fly-fishing group for topwater action at, darn, what’s the name of that new lake they just filled about 10 years ago. Ah well, you probably know what I’m talking about. For trout, head west. Look around the Ruidoso area for the Rio Penasco and Rio Ruidoso, or for flat water fly angling, check out Bonito Lake, Grindstone and others in the area. Grab a copy of Fishing Waters of New Mexico from the Game and Fish district officer in your area (check the state listings in the phone book for Game and Fish). You might also find this at a local tourism bureau or chamber of commerce. Drop me a note if you need more help, or more solid information. Darren Darren Marcy Crouch Mesa, N.M. 505-333-2222

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Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding?  I’ve seen "A River Runs Through It" but don’t know how accurate the movie was in this regard.  Any info on the area and fishing would be appreciated. Thank you, Ray Trautman      "I’m the NRA"             NRA Life Member ** I filed my income tax electronicly to speed things up. It worked, I got my audit notice in half the normal time. **

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Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding?

Ray: I come from Pennsylvania, but have been to Missoula enough to safely say only this – you are moving to flyfishing nirvana, and depending on where you put your bedroll, you will have to travel… oh, let’s see….how about a hundred yards? I’ll leave the rest to the many guys in this group who really know Montana; of course, they may not want any more competition. Mark Faulkner

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding? Ray: I come from Pennsylvania, but have been to Missoula enough to safely say only this – you are moving to flyfishing nirvana, and depending on where you put your bedroll, you will have to travel… oh, let’s see….how about a hundred yards? I’ll leave the rest to the many guys in this group who really know Montana; of course, they may not want any more competition. Mark Faulkner

Try Rock Creek, close to Missoula and potent. Be sure and hit the stone fly season. You wont be able to keep them off the line!              Angler Al

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Hi, The movie "relocated" the family to Missoula, and filmed the river shots not on the Blackfoot or Missouri, but on the West Fork of the Gallatin.  So while the movie played loose with the book and with history, you will not go astray with the fishing around and about Missoula.  Great country in every direction. Jess Thompson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for

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Nirvana is a good description. In the area (5-30 minutes drive) The Clark Fork The Blackfoot The Bitterroot "Where great trout rivers meet" that is a very accurate description Rock Creek is close I moved here a year and a half ago ( been coming for 5 years) that s how good it is! In Missoula visit  "The Grizzly Hackle" in Hamilton visit "Riverbend Fly shops" they will set you straight Bo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding?  I’ve seen "A River Runs Through It" but don’t know how accurate the movie was in this regard.  Any info on the area and fishing would be appreciated. Thank you, Ray Trautman      "I’m the NRA"             NRA Life Member ** I filed my income tax electronicly to speed things up. It worked, I got my audit notice in half the normal time. **

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Gee I hope you are independently wealthy, or a college kid living on next to nothing, or mom and dads money.  There’s a saying around here…"whats the difference between a rich Californian and a poor Bitterrooter?"   "About two years!" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nirvana is a good description. In the area (5-30 minutes drive) The Clark Fork The Blackfoot The Bitterroot "Where great trout rivers meet" that is a very accurate description Rock Creek is close I moved here a year and a half ago ( been coming for 5 years) that s how good it is! In Missoula visit  "The Grizzly Hackle" in Hamilton visit "Riverbend Fly shops" they will set you straight Bo Hello, Getting ready to move to Missoula Montana and was looking for information on Fly Fishing in the area.  How far do you have to travel to find good fly fishing that can be done from shore/wadding?  I’ve seen "A River Runs Through It" but don’t know how accurate the movie was in this regard.  Any info on the area and fishing would be appreciated. Thank you, Ray Trautman      "I’m the NRA"             NRA Life Member ** I filed my income tax electronicly to speed things up. It worked, I got my audit notice in half the normal time. **

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Any advice on the Provo River?  Going to Sundance in July for some R & R and some flyfishing.  Hear that nymphing is the best way to go.  What is the

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Any advice on the Provo River?  Going to Sundance in July for some R & R and some flyfishing.  Hear that nymphing is the best way to go.  What is the

If you go the "nymphing" route, you should do ok.  The weather is fairly warm, and the river usually gets crowded really fast.

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I try to fish it on a regular basis since I’m only 15 min. from it. We have had a late spring & the runoff is hitting it hard right now. There are still places to get on it but it’s tough fishing(fast, deep & a little dirty). If the water flow slows down it has good potential in July. I’d try; Chamois Caddis 14 – 18, Sow Bug 18 – 20, Brassies 16 – 18, Pheasant Tials 12 – 18. Fish it right on the bottom or on the edges. Towards evening there should be some surface activity. If it’s too high to get on take a ride up above Deer Creek to Charleston or Midway & fish that section, My brother in law loves it up there, he’s been doing well with a San Juan worm. It’s only another 20 min. from Sundance. Clint

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Any advice on the Provo River?  Going to Sundance in July for some R & R and some flyfishing.  Hear that nymphing is the best way to go.  What is the If you go the "nymphing" route, you should do ok.  The weather is fairly warm, and the river usually gets crowded really fast.

PMD emergers are hot right now.

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I try to fish it on a regular basis since I’m only 15 min. from it. We have had a late spring & the runoff is hitting it hard right now. There are still places to get on it but it’s tough fishing(fast, deep & a little dirty). If the water flow slows down it has good potential in July. I’d try; Chamois Caddis 14 – 18, Sow Bug 18 – 20, Brassies 16 – 18, Pheasant Tials 12 – 18. Fish it right on the bottom or on the edges. Towards evening there should be some surface activity. If it’s too high to get on take a ride up above Deer Creek to Charleston or Midway & fish that section, My brother in law loves it up there, he’s been doing well with a San Juan worm. It’s only another 20 min. from Sundance. Clint

Thankfully this high water misconception has curbed the number of ff’ers on the Provo lately.  This is nice as we’ve been catching anywhere from 5 to 10 fish an hour without too many neighbors.  The water is especially clear also, allowing you to see many of the fish.  This also makes for fish holding in very predictable places.  (ie slower deeper water)  The fly selection, now that’s the part that will make or break your day as well. Happy Trails and tattered flies. Curtis Fry FFFTWKISS!!!!

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Any advice on the Provo River?  Going to Sundance in July for some R & R and some flyfishing.  Hear that nymphing is the best way to go.  What is the If you go the "nymphing" route, you should do ok.  The weather is fairly warm, and the river usually gets crowded really fast. PMD emergers are hot right now.

Mike,         Can you give me a description on the PMD emerger.  I dont know if I have         ever seen one before.         Thanks

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I try to fish it on a regular basis since I’m only 15 min. from it. We have had a late spring & the runoff is hitting it hard right now. There are still places to get on it but it’s tough fishing(fast, deep & a little dirty).

I’m moving to Draper this month and have tried the Provo on several occasions.  The dirty water has perplexed me… I’m assuming it has to do with the releases from the dam upstream? With the road construction several years ago did the fishing change somewhat? If the water flow slows down it has good potential in July. I’d try; Chamois Caddis 14 – 18, Sow Bug 18 – 20, Brassies 16 – 18, Pheasant Tials 12 – 18. Fish it right on the bottom or on the edges. Towards evening there should be some surface activity. If it’s too high to get on take a ride up above Deer Creek to Charleston or Midway & fish that section, My brother in law loves it up there, he’s been doing well with a San Juan worm. It’s only another 20 min. from Sundance. Clint

I want to try the upper section myself. Any advice about access etc.? Coming from an area where my favorite waters are 4 to 5 hrs away, I am indeed excited about living close to the Provo (and Green) Trust I will bump into you on the river some day.         Wherever you go…. There you will be.

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Any advice on the Provo River?  Going to Sundance in July for some R & R and some flyfishing.  Hear that nymphing is the best way to go.  What is the If you go the "nymphing" route, you should do ok.  The weather is fairly warm, and the river usually gets crowded really fast.

The Provo is a wonderful river, but nymphs are your only hope.  However, you won’t have to worry about crowds until the 9-5 crowd gets out from work.  You won’t have *much* problem mornings or early afternoons, except for us lousy college students The weather will be hot.  Be prepared for some heat; I’d leave my neoprenes at home.  The river is also higher this year than it has been in the past, but since you are just coming for a vacation, that won’t matter to you, will it? best o’ luck, Jeff Windsor

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi,    i recently found a "New in Box" fly rod.  I’m sure that someone on this news feed can provide some information for me (at least I hope so). It is a bamboo flyrod made by James Heddon’s Sons in Dowagiac, Michigan. Model T170, 6 1/2′ in length.  It says Heddon Deluxe on the shaft, with a number 4 – 3 on the balsa cork handle.  It is a two piece rod with the obligatory aluminum traveling tube. Anyone have an idea of when it might have been made? Anyone every heard of James Heddon’s Sons?  I’ve also got about 200 hundred of their big game lures (sure don’t look like flys to me . Are they still in existence?  I wouldn’t mind knowing when it was sold (I’m guessing in the 40’s to 50’s.), and what it’s good for. I found the rod & equipment in the garage of a recently deceased relative.  He was quite the sportsman.  This particular rod was never used (or even had a reel attached – the shipping notice is still attached), and looks like a nice one.  I now have part of the equipment needed to finally break into fly fishing (of course, what I should do is unload all of this stuff & buy my wife a new washer/dryer, but i’m not too stupid). Any information would be helpful, Thanks, Larry —          "There is NO kill like a guns kill"        CMDR. W. Driscoll, USNR Code 5585                             (202)767-3040  

Although the Heddon Company is still in operation, I expect they stopped making split cane rods many years ago.  Off-hand I would guess your rod was made in the mid 1960s.  I think the 4-3 you mention refers to suggested size of line.  The earlier HDH, HCH, IFI type of line designation was replaced by the number in the ’60s.  Shorter rods were more in fashion a bit later too. Heddon was a good solid production company.  Its rods were not high end custom products, like Garrisons, Dickersons, and Paynes. Is there an extra tip? Heddons, IMHO, should be worth $100 to $200.  There are some oddball collectors who have paid a bit more.  I believe a President model (gold fittings) once brought a thousand.  Your rod is not a president model, but it is in a desirable short size, and if condition is pristine as you say, it could bring a bit more.  With two tips, it could sell RETAIL for even $400-500 (quite optimistically speaking).  OTOH, a dealer would pay you about half of what he thought he could sell it for. Why not keep it and fish with it?  You can pay $400-500  for a fancy graphite fly rod today. I’d rather use an old Heddon. Dave

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hi,         i recently found a "New in Box" fly rod.  I’m sure that someone on this news feed can provide some information for me (at least I hope so). It is a bamboo flyrod made by James Heddon’s Sons in Dowagiac, Michigan. Model T170, 6 1/2′ in length.  It says Heddon Deluxe on the shaft, with a number 4 – 3 on the balsa cork handle.  It is a two piece rod with the obligatory aluminum traveling tube. Anyone have an idea of when it might have been made? Anyone every heard of James Heddon’s Sons?  I’ve also got about 200 hundred of their big game lures (sure don’t look like flys to me . Are they still in existence?  I wouldn’t mind knowing when it was sold (I’m guessing in the 40’s to 50’s.), and what it’s good for. I found the rod & equipment in the garage of a recently deceased relative.  He was quite the sportsman.  This particular rod was never used (or even had a reel attached – the shipping notice is still attached), and looks like a nice one.  I now have part of the equipment needed to finally break into fly fishing (of course, what I should do is unload all of this stuff & buy my wife a new washer/dryer, but i’m not too stupid). Any information would be helpful, Thanks, Larry —           "There is NO kill like a guns kill"    CMDR. W. Driscoll, USNR Code 5585                                 (202)767-3040  

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