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Recent tirades accusing folks of severe mushiness in their reminiscing about the dearly departed have led me to assess my feelings toward Mr. Connor now, lest I be so accused of a similar affront to the group’s common sensibilities at a later date. Thus the following: I enjoy Mikes poetry, even though it is often rather acerbic. It is still quite witty, and even sounds like I think poetry ought to sound, that is it rhymes and has a certain meter to it. I appreciate Mike’s technical knowledge of the pastime we all enjoy so much. I have no idea where Mike learned all the stuff he professes (his technical discussions of flylines come to mind), but in general, it seems that he knows what he is talking about, and adds my general knowledge of flyfishing. I think I would enjoy fishing with him some day, although I doubt that would ever happen as it is unlikely I will travel to his neck of the woods at a time when a flyrod should accompany me (plus, there are just so many great places to fish on this side of the great pond). I think I would learn things from him, and I believe I would enjoy his wit and humor. Hopefully, he would enjoy fishing with me as well, although I doubt that there is much he would learn from me, other than how to execute a rather amateurish "Full Reid" from a drift boat. I do not enjoy Mike’s eloquent tirades accusing an increasingly large part of the flyfishing community of being assholes, etc. Frankly, I don’t enjoy the rejoinders from those accused much either. That sort of name calling and language really doesn’t impress me much. I have always thought the English language rich enough that concentration on just a few four letter adjectives misses a wealth of opportunity. I am reminded of that great scene in Roxanne where Steve Martin replies to his tormentor’s "Hey big nose" greeting with a rapid fire list of 20 eloquent alternatives. So there, I’ve said it. No one can accuse me of sentimental mushery after the fact. Jim Ray

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<SNIP So there, I’ve said it. No one can accuse me of sentimental mushery after the fact. Jim Ray

Careful Jim, somebody might accuse you of sentimental mushery before the fact. Just as well for you that I did not die in the meantime!   I fear you would have been in deep doo-doo!!! )) TL MC

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Just as well for you that I did not die in the meantime!   I fear you would have been in deep doo-doo!!! ))

Not really.. it seems the only person opposing such mushing would have been gone at that point…

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I am a commercial  bush pilot living in Canada, I fly floats in the summer and wheel/skis in the winter.  I  do all of my fueling, cleaning, loading, basically im a one man show.   I love the float season, i love flying into little lakes, beaching on a island, dumping my passengers off and then swimming or fishing for a while if I have time before my next flight.   My problem is this;  I know that if I want to make any money I will probibaly have to move into the multi ifr stuff in the next couple of years before i get too old (im 26).  And the problem with that is I have done the ifr ground school twice (3-day cram fest in Vancouver for $200) and have not completed it either time.  I am bored shitless and cant concentrate!  I just cant get into it and I’m not sure why?  For you comm pilots out there flying ifr all the time; does it suck?  are you bored most of the time?  I go up to the cockpit on air canada A320 sometimes and visit the pilots and they dont seem to have much to do….or see. Any float drivers turned ifr drivers out there who can give me some encouragement?   Are there any fun ifr jobs where i dont have to dawn a shirt with those prissy gold bars?  Am I doomed to choose between a job I hate for the money or a job I love and poverty? Help, jon

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 …And the problem with that is I have done the ifr ground school twice (3-day cram fest in Vancouver for $200) and have not completed it either time.  I am bored shitless and cant concentrate!  I just cant get into it and I’m not sure why?

Skip the book stuff for now and try IFR flight training for a while-that’s where the challenge is. If it still bores you, go back to what you love. If you make good money doing something you hate, how well off are you, really? Dan N9387D at BFM

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John.  I have a private homebuilt floatplane and suffer with a similar malady. In my case it’s eliminating one rat from the urban rat race and going north to make a meagre living by flying.  I encountered the following, which while not right for me, might help you out.  About a year ago, the ontario government was looking for conservation officers to fly small aircraft in northern ontario enforcing hunting and fishing regs, and doing all those other things that conservation officers are supposed to do.  Might be worth checking out.  IIRC, they were flying Maules. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a commercial  bush pilot living in Canada, I fly floats in the summer and wheel/skis in the winter.  I  do all of my fueling, cleaning, loading, basically im a one man show.   I love the float season, i love flying into little lakes, beaching on a island, dumping my passengers off and then swimming or fishing for a while if I have time before my next flight.   My problem is this;  I know that if I want to make any money I will probibaly have to move into the multi ifr stuff in the next couple of years before i get too old (im 26).  And the problem with that is I have done the ifr ground school twice (3-day cram fest in Vancouver for $200) and have not completed it either time.  I am bored shitless and cant concentrate!  I just cant get into it and I’m not sure why?  For you comm pilots out there flying ifr all the time; does it suck?  are you bored most of the time?  I go up to the cockpit on air canada A320 sometimes and visit the pilots and they dont seem to have much to do….or see. Any float drivers turned ifr drivers out there who can give me some encouragement?   Are there any fun ifr jobs where i dont have to dawn a shirt with those prissy gold bars?  Am I doomed to choose between a job I hate for the money or a job I love and poverty? Help, jon

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OK I’ll bite, even though floats are still on my "someday" list… I love it all.  I fly all-weather all-night air ambulance operations (IFR, of course), freight, and passengers.  That’s fun.  So is taking my Taylorcraft and hand-propping it, stopping at grass strips, and paying cash for gas (usually whatever cash made it through the laundry in my jeans pocket covers my fuel bill). I also really enjoy giving passengers a super-smooth ride in challenging weather (or at least trying).  I did a life flight the other day with a very ill little girl and her mother and really felt like I was helping them by making the flight as comfortable as possible, even though the destination was barely above minimums.   And, I think I fly each operation better from the experience in the other.  They taylorcraft makes me acutely aware of aircraft limitations (no lights, no radios) and the twins make me aware of the aircraft’s possibilities.  I like both! You’ll need to pursue your IR in order to get full satisfaction.  I know the Canadian system is different from ours but put your head down and get your exams done, then enjoy the flying! Jim Wolper ATP/PhD/CFII

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For you comm pilots out there flying ifr all the time; does it suck? are you bored most of the time?  I go up to the cockpit on air canada A320 sometimes and visit the pilots and they dont seem to have much to do….or see.

No, I’m not bored.  Terror tends to concentrate the mind.  :-)   Not much to see, except the instruments, but you have to watch them VERY closely.  Just because there isn’t much movement doesn’t mean nothing is happening.  Try some flying under the hood & see if you don’t enjoy it.   Admittedly, the ground school isn’t that exciting, but I do enjoy the flying.  If you don’t enjoy precision flying, it won’t be as much fun, but I enjoy the challenge.  A night ILS to minimums makes it seem better.

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Walked back to my car, drove to a stop-n-rob in town. I went in to get

a coke and got a few looks for free. < Uhhh, I believe that’s phrased "some coke."  Or aren’t you a Bush fan?  <g

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One trip does seem memorable.

        indeed it was, poh-leece.  thanks for sharing. wayno

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Walked back to my car, drove to a stop-n-rob in town. I went in to get a coke and got a few looks for free. < Uhhh, I believe that’s phrased "some coke."  Or aren’t you a Bush fan?  <g

I’ve long since learned that putting the daily caffeine up one’s nose is easily misunderstood. Once you start down that dark path, forever will people think you’re into disco or something like that. Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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Well, I did end up sneaking off for an hour or so this past week. The sun was out and the temperature got above freezing for a little while, but no go. There was a lot of ice and not a lot of moving water, and my #20 Adams didn’t seem to garner much attention from the fish. I guess I’m going to call this season closed and see what turns up in the spring. For now, it’s time to take the line off my reel and dress it, oil my reel (any reason not to use BreakFree CLP for that?), and worry about hunting for a few months. The final score for this season: Mike: A few trout, a few bass, a passel of bluegills, a few good days out on the water, a few good trips. If that’s not happiness, it’s a pretty good approximation. One trip does seem memorable. I went up to one reservoir near one town commonly referred to as a "People’s Republic." Stopped at the Mustard’s Last Stand for probably the most overpriced Chicago-Style hot dog I’ve ever had outside of an airport in my life. The guy behind the counter actually put ketchup on my dog. Ketchup! That, more than anything, proves that Boulder is a den of communists and so forth. Ended up on the water at about midmorning. Alas, I ended up on the wrong side of the water. About a quarter mile away I heard bass jumping. I decided to see what I could do where I was, and tied on a #10 yellow Wooly Bugger. Got a few sunfish on that, even though my casting sucked, my retrieves were clumsy, I don’t know much about streamer fishing, and I was FISHING STREAMERS IN A LAKE WITH A FREAKING FLOATING LINE! I don’t own anything but a floating line! It’s nice to know that hungry sunfish do exist. I got tempted to bonk them and call it a shore lunch, but they had a no-fires rule and some of the rangers were friends of mine and that could have been embarassing. I guess that’s why I had a couple of granola bars with me too. After lunch I moved over to where I heard the bass. Because of where the brush was, I had to wade to them. Oops, forgot my waders, but the water was warm enough so I just charged in. Oops again, soaked my billfold. Luckily, nothing with a magnetic stripe got wet. Tied on a #4 Muddler and started working it around the half-sunken trees. WHAM!!! My lure got positively hammered by a bass. And let me tell you, my friends, Mr. Micropterus Salmoides on a 5wt and 2x tippet is a kick in the ass. Spent a couple of minutes playing him, enough to temporarily scare the crap off of every other fish nearby, and then executed a skillful long-distance release. No, I don’t know how big he was. A chunky foot long, if I had to guess, and more energetic than my parents’ Golden Retriever after a triple espresso.  One moment I thought my rod was gonna break, and the next instant, "Hmmm,  the rod’s not bending any more." After a fight like that, it was time to rest the water. Never mind that my fly box was up on shore. I wandered out of the water, sat back, lit up, opened a warm MGD that made up the other half of my lunch, and got busy tying on another fly. Except for one tiny problem: Only one #4 Muddler and I just LDR’ed it. I decided to try my one other reasonably-large streamer, a heavily-weighted #4 Gray Ghost. Actually, aside from a really-chewed Bugger and a big-ass black Dahlberg Diver that I didn’t think I could cast, it was the only streamer, period. Then I noticed yet another oops. I had a knife, past tense. Must have slipped out of my pocket while I was fighting that bass. If any of you are wading in the Boulder Reservoir and find a half-serrated stainless Smith and Wesson folding knife, it’s probably mine. Eventually, I got the Gray Ghost tied on and went forth to do battle. I decided to try something different: casting into open water, letting it sink for several minutes, and a really slow retrieve. After about 30 casts, I thought I felt something. I lifted the rod and yanked on the line, and got another WHAM! Whatever I hooked into, well, it definitely was a fish. It never came near the surface and didn’t swim all that fast, but it seemed pretty big. I’m guessing a catfish-I’ve heard there are a few of them in that water. Alas, I only had maybe a minute, maybe less, and then got my fly back. I’m still to this day not sure what I had. Then I saw that the sun had moved over-time must have moved a little faster than I thought it had. Maybe my time resting the water went a little long, I don’t know. I edged up on shore and saw a City of Boulder Open Space Ranger standing there. A very pretty one. Now, the odds of my having an affair are pretty much zero, but this lady was one of the reasons that I am grateful every day that whatever gods may exist took the time to create the female of the species. "Let me guess, my license." "Yeah, if you don’t mind." Gave her the license, made some small talk. We knew a couple of people in common and caught up on gossip. I keep thinking, I’ve got my certificate, I’ve got a bachelor’s in biology, I should put in with some parks or wildlife department. They look like they have so much fun. Walked back to my car, drove to a stop-n-rob in town. I went in to get a coke and got a few looks for free. I guess they don’t have too many soaking-wet patrons in good weather. Drove 30 or so miles home, walked in the door, "Honey, you’re soaked. And you’re as red as a lobster." Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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I have a fly rod and have used it about twice fishing for trout in stocked lochs. What I require is some information about coaching or lessons if any in fly fishing, there are a few techniques that I really would like to get the hang of. Any response would be much appreciated (I really mean that!). Before you buy.

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It would help if you told us where you are (I’m assuming Scotland?). Getting a response from somebody local to you would help better then me telling you we give lessons every Spring in West Springfield, MA. –Stan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a fly rod and have used it about twice fishing for trout in stocked lochs. What I require is some information about coaching or lessons if any in fly fishing, there are a few techniques that I really would like to get the hang of. Any response would be much appreciated (I really mean that!). Before you buy.

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I do have some knowledge of loch fishing techniques.  If you don’t want to send me a ticket and put me up for two or three weeks, I suggest you take the winter off and study.  Then go to the Chatsworth Angling Fair at Chatsworth House, Derbyshire in March.  You will meet an incredible number of people who will be more than glad to teach you (for a fee and for free).  You can buy equipment and hang out in fly fishing’s largest candy store.  Wear your wellies as its in a sheep pasture.  You might also want to post to the uk usenet "rec — game" (help me out here folks, what is the name of the Uk fly fishing usenet?).          Cheers               Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It would help if you told us where you are (I’m assuming Scotland?). Getting a response from somebody local to you would help better then me telling you we give lessons every Spring in West Springfield, MA. –Stan I have a fly rod and have used it about twice fishing for trout in stocked lochs. What I require is some information about coaching or lessons if any in fly fishing, there are a few techniques that I really would like to get the hang of. Any response would be much appreciated (I really mean that!). Before you buy.

Before you buy.

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I have a fly rod and have used it about twice fishing for trout in stocked lochs. What I require is some information about coaching or lessons if any in fly fishing, there are a few techniques that I really would like to get the hang of.

You could purchase or rent vidoes from a fly shop.  Those with Mel Krieger or Lefty Kreh are fairly good.  Some fly shops offer simple free lessons in their yard or parking lot.  Another good place to go is a local fly fishing club.  You make no mention of where you so it’s difficult to offer more precise advice. Mu

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I have a fly rod and have used it about twice fishing for trout in stocked lochs. What I require is some information about coaching or lessons if any in fly fishing, there are a few techniques that I really would like to get the hang of.

Hi Sounds like you are in Scotland. If you would care to buy a copy of the Trout and Salmon magazine you will find a number of instructors advertising in the classifieds. If you do not find one near you, contact the nearest and he or she will be able to put you in contact with the nearest registered APGAI, REFFIS or STANIC instructor to you. There are also a number of excellent instructional videos available, again see the Trout and Salmon mag. Pleas for help like this are more easily answered if you give a closer indication as to your whereabouts. Tight lines Chris

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Check out www.letsflyfish.com Ally

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a fly rod and have used it about twice fishing for trout in stocked lochs. What I require is some information about coaching or lessons if any in fly fishing, there are a few techniques that I really would like to get the hang of. Any response would be much appreciated (I really mean that!). Before you buy.

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Wonderful story – I felt like I was there.  Sometimes those "blown" trips are incredible.              Frank Reid Before you buy.

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I’ve been away from ROFF for a while (1450 messages worth it seems) as I’ve been out in Utah with the family. I won’t go into all of the gory fishing details–but I will share a couple of reports (in installments). Monday the 17th I had scheduled a float trip down the Snake River near Jackson, Wyoming. I arrived in Alpine the evening before to stay at a motel where I had scheduled to meet the guide. Earlier in the afternoon I had been running around on some grass with my girls and I *ran into a swingset* cutting open my knee. I put a bandage on it, tried to act composed, and headed for Alpine. By the time I got to Alpine, the knee was swollen badly and I could hardly get out of the car. I couldn’t bend the knee at all. I was worried about not being able to fish the next day, so I packed some ice on the knee for a while before heading to sleep. I awoke the next morning at 5:00 to the sound of hard rain and thunder. At 7:00 when the guide met me, it was still raining hard and a look up the canyon showed little relief. The guide said he’d take me down the river if that’s what I wanted to do–but he recommended against it, especially because of the lightning. We decided instead to take an impromptu trip to Grey’s River Canyon where he offered to accompany me to fish (wading, not floating) the river. Grey’s River is awesome–it’s easy to wade and has nice pools all up and down the river. Wild cutthroat trout up to 22 inches or so. It is National Forest water and a dirt road follows it for some 50 miles or more (I’m guessing). We drove up the canyon quite a way and began fishing. The weather was cloudy but we saw no rain. I started with streamers and caught a few nice fish–mostly just buying time until a bit of surface action began. Much of the streamer fishing was dapping in deep pools with heavy stuff. I caught several fish–at least one over 18 inches. But casting was absolutely no fun at all. We came to quite a nice pool that was rather difficult to get to–it involved walking down the side of a steep drop-off. Nothing that would have been hard had my knee been "normal" but it was hard not being able to bend my left leg. Anyway, I made it down to the hole and started the down-and-across huck and chuck. I managed to snag the streamer–or at least thought I had–until I started pulling really hard and the "snag" started swimming upstream. The fish went upstream about 25 feet and just held there for a while. I couldn’t seem to pull it down to me nor could I wade up to the fish. Finally, it got tired of the standstill and took off down stream. The current was very fast and I lost a lot of line in a hurry. The guide kept saying "let her run, let her run" but I freaked out and choked off the line once the fish got about 75 feet downstream. Snap. No more fish on my 3X leader. I could make a number of excuses, but the fact of the matter is that I CHOKED!!! I had never before had a fish run on me like that and I botched it real good. But I learned a lesson that would prove helpful later in the week. Dries started working really well in the afternoon and I caught a number of fish in the 16-18" range and many others in the 12-14" range. Parachute Adams was the fly of the day. Grey’s River is very beautiful and from what I can tell is not very crowded if you’re willing to drive up the canyon a bit. I’ll be back again to catch that big fish another day. I’ll do the Snake float another time as well. –Steve

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0] hot-damn…. i made a form! shoot, i’ll be insufferable tomorrow astream

Come now, don’t sell yourself short, you’re insufferable now online. ,      - Ken

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 0] : I found this form on another NG, and thought perhaps it might be of vague : interest. : TL : MC : — : : …. Mike You must have missed the one I cooked up and posted last year. Some of it’s a bit dated now, but a lot of it still applies You’re right Mike, I had forgotten this form but it would still work today.  Some would be insulted, however, at not being included in the identity checklist. Mark Faulkner

_____  I should feel slighted Mark.  ; ) Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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hot-damn…. i made a form! shoot, i’ll be insufferable tomorrow astream waldo

well, guess i’ll be returning the curtains and fixing the flat tomorrow then <G jeff (sufferin from the insufferable)

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hot-damn…. i made a form! shoot, i’ll be insufferable tomorrow astream waldo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 0] : I found this form on another NG, and thought perhaps it might be of vague : interest. : TL : MC : — : : …. Mike You must have missed the one I cooked up and posted last year. Some of it’s a bit dated now, but a lot of it still applies

You’re right Mike, I had forgotten this form but it would still work today.  Some would be insulted, however, at not being included in the identity checklist. Mark Faulkner

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 0] : I found this form on another NG, and thought perhaps it might be of vague : interest. : TL : MC : — : "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the : impossible" : http://www.mikeconnor.de : : …. Mike You must have missed the one I cooked up and posted last year. Some of it’s a bit dated now, but a lot of it still applies  General Purpose rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Flame Form–Check All That Apply  Dear   [X] George            [ ] Wayne         [ ] Dave          [ ] Mike   [ ] T-bone            [ ] Ralph         [ ] Ken           [ ] Walt   [ ] Tony              [ ] Ernie         [X ] Poet          [ ] …   [X ] ROFFian           [X ] Dry Flyfisher [X ] Flyfisher     [ ] Beadhead User   [X ] NON-Indicator User    [ ] Spinfisher    [ ] Bait Chucker  [ ] Cutter of Bait   [ ] Uninformed Newbie [ ] Spammer       [ ] Republican    [ ] Democrat   [X ] Capitalist        [ ] Socialist     [ ] Despoiler of Rivers   [ ] PETA Member/AR Crank  You are being flamed with torch set on   [X ] Gentle Warm(n)ing [ ] Threshold of Pain [ ] Pyrolize [ ] Thermonuclear   because   [ ] Concerning the thread on         [X ] C&R [ ] Indicators [ ] Beadheads  [ ] Impeachment [ ] Tree Spiking       you                 [ ] started it      [ ] posted to it                 [X ] are for it      [ ] are against it                 [ ] have no opinion on it   [X ] you use Gink and Xink   [ ] you don’t use Gink and Xink   [ ] you’ve never heard of Gink and Xink   [ ] you flamed George       [X ] for advising of the availability and usefulness of Gink and Xink       [X ] for well considered reasonable opinions   [ ] you flamed George      [ ] for spamming on Gink and Xink      [X ] for outrageous crazy opinions   [ ] you defended George      [ ] for spamming on Gink and Xink      [X ] for outrageous crazy opinions   [ ] you defended George      [ ] for advising us of the availability and usefulness of Gink and Xink      [X ] for well considered reasonable opinions   [X ] you should order a Lil’ Bastard   [ ] you haven’t yet ordered a Lil’ Bastard   [ ] you are coming to the ‘clave   [X ] you are not coming to the ‘clave   [X ] you are not supplying your share of Famous Grouse for the ‘clave   [ ] Concerning a reasonable question on flyfishing         [ ] you asked it         [X ] you answered it well         [ ] you gave an unhelpful answer/made a snide remark   [ ] you dylsexic, did you even read what I wrote?   [ ] you advocated having a moderator for ROFF   [ ] you are against having a moderator for ROFF   [X ] you shouted FISH LOVE ME!   [ ] you posted HTML or binary   [ ] you spammed us   [ ] you posted an anonymous attack Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491

Mike! Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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I found this form on another NG, and thought perhaps it might be of vague interest.

<snip Yep. That would be the Standard Phoenix LART Form, popularized by Phoenix of news.admin.net-abuse.email.   A most dangerous item, to be handled with the greatest of care. You never quite know when they’ll go off. Opt out == cop-out. What’s so hard to understand?

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I think C&K is better than C&R. Everybody knows that cattle ranchers are all environment-polluting welfare queens who are probably all in militias. Weighted nymphs are the only way to go. #12 wasn’t such a bad rod after all. And BTW, what’s the best floatant? Opt out == cop-out. What’s so hard to understand?

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….. #12 wasn’t such a bad rod after all.

You were doing so well till the slip up with the past tense.  At last report, old #12 was once again corporeal and winging on its happy way to another satisfied customer.

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0] : I found this form on another NG, and thought perhaps it might be of vague : interest. : TL : MC : — : "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the : impossible" : http://www.mikeconnor.de : : …. Mike You must have missed the one I cooked up and posted last year. Some of it’s a bit dated now, but a lot of it still applies  General Purpose rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Flame Form–Check All That Apply  Dear   [ ] George            [ ] Wayne         [ ] Dave          [ ] Mike   [ ] T-bone            [ ] Ralph         [ ] Ken           [ ] Walt   [ ] Tony              [ ] Ernie         [ ] Poet          [ ] …   [ ] ROFFian           [ ] Dry Flyfisher [ ] Flyfisher     [ ] Beadhead User   [ ] Indicator User    [ ] Spinfisher    [ ] Bait Chucker  [ ] Cutter of Bait   [ ] Uninformed Newbie [ ] Spammer       [ ] Republican    [ ] Democrat   [ ] Capitalist        [ ] Socialist     [ ] Despoiler of Rivers   [ ] PETA Member/AR Crank  You are being flamed with torch set on   [ ] Gentle Warm(n)ing [ ] Threshold of Pain [ ] Pyrolize [ ] Thermonuclear   because   [ ] Concerning the thread on         [ ] C&R [ ] Indicators [ ] Beadheads  [ ] Impeachment [ ] Tree Spiking       you                 [ ] started it      [ ] posted to it                           [ ] are for it      [ ] are against it                   [ ] have no opinion on it   [ ] you use Gink and Xink   [ ] you don’t use Gink and Xink   [ ] you’ve never heard of Gink and Xink   [ ] you flamed George       [ ] for advising us of the availability and usefulness of Gink and Xink       [ ] for well considered reasonable opinions   [ ] you flamed George      [ ] for spamming on Gink and Xink      [ ] for outrageous crazy opinions   [ ] you defended George      [ ] for spamming on Gink and Xink      [ ] for outrageous crazy opinions   [ ] you defended George      [ ] for advising us of the availability and usefulness of Gink and Xink      [ ] for well considered reasonable opinions   [ ] you have ordered a Lil’ Bastard   [ ] you haven’t yet ordered a Lil’ Bastard   [ ] you are coming to the ‘clave   [ ] you are not coming to the ‘clave   [ ] you are not supplying your share of Famous Grouse for the ‘clave   [ ] Concerning a reasonable question on flyfishing         [ ] you asked it           [ ] you answered it well         [ ] you gave an unhelpful answer/made a snide remark   [ ] you dylsexic, did you even read what I wrote?   [ ] you advocated having a moderator for ROFF   [ ] you are against having a moderator for ROFF   [ ] you shouted (USED ALL CAPS!!!)   [ ] you posted HTML or binary   [ ] you spammed us   [ ] you posted an anonymous attack Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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Hey you bunch of low-life assholes, even if you don’t know anything about fly-fishing or morals and are stupid anyway I would like to do you all a favour. snip<

Well, let me set you straight on a couple points……   Oh wait.   This is a contest entry isn’t it?  Oops, I didn’t notice at first.  <g Joe F.

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Hi Wolfgang, please send my thirty marks, (or ten dollars will do), to Louies Breakfast BVD fund, this is a recognised charity, and is designed to prevent serious psychological damage to clave attendees. TL MC– "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Mike Connor drivels: Hi Wolfgang, please send my thirty marks, (or ten dollars will do), to Louies Breakfast BVD fund, this is a recognised charity, and is designed to prevent serious psychological damage to clave attendees.

Harumphhhhhh!  Ingrates!!!!! (But send the money, Wolfie!)  d;0) Dave L. (Louie’s alter ego)…

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Hey you bunch of low-life assholes, even if you don’t know anything about fly-fishing or morals and are stupid anyway I would like to do you all a favour.

[deleted] You gonna tell us how to tip a sparse hackled #16 paraleptaphlebia spinner with half a red wriggler ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Hey you bunch of low-life assholes, even if you don’t know anything about fly-fishing or morals and are stupid anyway I would like to do you all a favour. I have a self-made unique cane rod for sale, with the serial # 1234, which I built after three days intensive study of the available material. It is perfect. I am selling this on e-bay, and in order to give all the idiots out there at least a chance of this once in a lifetime offer I have crossposted this to one hundred and twenty other news groups.  First bid over ten thousand dollars gets it. If there are several bids it will be raffled, no low-lifes will be considered, unless they pay in advance, tickets cost twelve thousand dollars. As a special offer you can visit my website for nothing and talk about any personal problems you may have. This website is a public service, so don’t waste my time talking about fishing on it. I also tie perfect flies, but I am not selling any to low-lifes, so get lost, tie your own, you might even catch something on them even if they are shit, and will probably murder the fish as well. Please note all my business is conducted on this or other news groups, so that none of you lying SOB

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That would sure help explain ROFF…

Even in a parallel universe of one’s own design that would be a very tall order.

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Response # 2 Not really. I profess complete understanding of NADA.

Hey, that’s great Dave!    Can you tell me how much my old ‘84 Isuzu pickup is worth?  :-) Joe F.

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   If it’s your fishing vehicle then it’s priceless.  I wish I still had my old 1970 Datsun pickup.  It had a hundred thousand miles of great fishing memories on the odometer. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you tell me how much my old ‘84 Isuzu pickup is worth?  :-) Joe F.

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  If it’s your fishing vehicle then it’s priceless.  I wish I still had my old 1970 Datsun pickup.  It had a hundred thousand miles of great fishing memories on the odometer.

A truck like this is "priceless" anyway.   It’s too worthless to sell & is basically unsound and unsafe, but to replace it would cost thousands. There’s something great about a vehicle that you don’t have to worry about beating the hell out of.   It got relegated to "farm" use a few years ago. I once carried a round bale of hay in the bed (one of those really big ones).   Damned frame was riding on the axles, the springs having completely given up, and the whole rig was extremely top heavy.  Better than an E-ticket at Disneyland.   Managed to get 42 regular bales piled on it once, too. As it happens, the odometer turned 100K on the way home from a salmon trip a few years back.   Still going strong.   Great truck. Joe F.

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Joe,    My old Datsun pickup had a hellish set of overload springs on it.  I called it Buckshot, because every time you went over a bump it bucked and shot you into the roof. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A truck like this is "priceless" anyway.   It’s too worthless to sell & is basically unsound and unsafe, but to replace it would cost thousands. There’s something great about a vehicle that you don’t have to worry about beating the hell out of.   It got relegated to "farm" use a few years ago. I once carried a round bale of hay in the bed (one of those really big ones).   Damned frame was riding on the axles, the springs having completely given up, and the whole rig was extremely top heavy.  Better than an E-ticket at Disneyland.   Managed to get 42 regular bales piled on it once, too. As it happens, the odometer turned 100K on the way home from a salmon trip a few years back.   Still going strong.   Great truck. Joe F.

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Joe In the words of my favorite musical group . . . A little bit is better than nada Sometimes you want the whole enchilada A little bit is better than nada A little bit,  or nothing at all. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, that’s great Dave!    Can you tell me how much my old ‘84 Isuzu pickup is worth?  :-) Joe F.

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Actually Bob the Ernie Harrison Knot machine is an incredible devise. Im thinking about buying one to burn a new CPU on my old Intell. In my opinion it will do a fab job. And at virtually no cost.

It’s "Intel", Dave. One "l". I’m not a spelling Nazi, but you keep doing this and it’s bugging me. BTW, I hate Intel and I’ve never bought an Intel product. They’ve been a great investment for some, though. If New Mexico wants to subsidize Intel plants that’s none of my beeswax, since I don’t live in New Mexico. If I did, and if I knew the facts, I might oppose it. Call me crazy, but I find that the Pentium chips they make in the stores aren’t up to the ones that I make better thru my exercise of free will and free market gumption. The fact is that anyone can see that the "chips" made in the store cannot possibly have the care and love that I give mine.

I see. Maybe you should market your chips. Along with your special salsa. One thing you will learn from the computer/software contingent on ROFF: Its OK to make it up as you go. So, economics? Make it up. Behavioral science? Make it up. History, geography? make it up. It is not really important to actually study and learn about these disciplines to be able to firmly assert arguable propositions about them.

These issues are far too complex for any simple solutions we might come up with in ROFF. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Take me to your leader ? TL MC

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You know how you always wish you had a third hand when you tied blood knots ?  Ernie just tapes an inflated surgeons glove to his plonker… — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.

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You know how you always wish you had a third hand when you tied blood knots ?  Ernie just tapes an inflated surgeons glove to his plonker…

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots? Bob

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots?

I have always assumed that the formulae refer to the finished length of the sections.  I allow about 1 1/2" for the knots, and this seems to work fine.  The nail knot is used to attach the leader butt to the tip of the flyline.  I use the blood knot, except for the tippet (last) knot, where I use the surgeon’s knot (three-turn version — I think the British call this a water knot.)  FWIW, my own experiments show that the surgeon’s knot, if perfectly tied, is stronger than the blood knot, but leaders tied with blood knots turn over better.  Since most breaks occur at the fly or the tippet knot, I believe that my system is a good compromise.  I have found that blood knots cinch up best when you tie them with one less turn of the heavier material than the lighter.  With the Maxima I use, 4/5 turns on the heavy butt sections and 5/6 turns on the lighter material seems to work well.  Heavy material requires a jerk or tug to properly tighten; the other knots should be pulled gently.  I am sure that I learned much of this from books or magazines, but my old brain can’t cite references.  Hope this helps.  –Roger

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots?

Most formula’s I’ve seen are finished length. I usually add about six inches for a knot on each end. You could probably use less, but I find it much less frustrating if I have plenty of material to hold onto when tightening my knots. As for knots, I usually use blood knots on the thicker sections. On the smaller diameter material I do something a little different. I tie a nail knot with the smaller material, but I don’t tighten it completely. I then take the larger diameter material and tie a nail knot with it on the smaller material. I now have two knots that will snug together when I pull on the opposite ends of the material. (I’m not sure if that description makes much sense, but it’s the best I can do!). This technique is admittedly a pain in the ass, but I find  it to be the strongest connection there is. When tied this way, I have NEVER broken a tippet off right at the knot. Surgeon’s or blood knots break at the knot quite often in my experience. Typically, I use this technique when I make up my leaders at home. If I am tying or repairing a leader on the river, I usually use the surgeon’s knot to save time. Tim — To reply by e-mail, remove "sick of spam" from my return address!

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots? Bob

I would think most formulas are finished lengths. You will have to give yourself what extra length it will take you to tie the knots. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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As for knots, I usually use blood knots on the thicker sections. On the smaller diameter material I do something a little different. I tie a nail knot with the smaller material, but I don’t tighten it completely. I then take the larger diameter material and tie a nail knot with it on the smaller material. I now have two knots that will snug together when I pull on the opposite ends of the material. (I’m not sure if that description makes much sense, but it’s the best I can do!). This technique is admittedly a pain in the ass, but I find  it to be the strongest connection there is. When tied this way, I have NEVER broken a tippet off right at the knot. Surgeon’s or blood knots break at the knot quite often in my experience.

I also use the double nail knot for my leaders…mainly because I never learned to tie a proper bloodknot and the double nail is easy with a knot-tying tool (they almost all have instructions on how to tie the double nail). I’ve never heard anyone talk about which is stronger, and assumed it was the bloodknot since that’s what everyone recommends. Typically, I use this technique when I make up my leaders at home. If I am tying or repairing a leader on the river, I usually use the surgeon’s knot to save time.

Same here. Ric

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In leader formulas do the lengths of the sections that are reccomended include the extra length needed to tie the connecting knots or are they reccomending that that length be the finished/after knot length.  Also, nail knot, surgeon’s, or blood knots?

Hi Bob, In leader formulas the length is the finished length.  Don’t get too anal about it though, if you’re off by an inch or so it will still work.  The idea in the tapering sections is to smoothly transmit the power from the fly line down through the leader to the tippet without hinging.  You just need enough line in each section to make that transition.  Try to keep the proportions close as that is the most important (proportion of butt section to tapering section to tippet section) and has the most affect on the performance of the leader. I like to use the nail knot to attach my leader to the fly line (smallest, smoothest connection), the blood knot for the knots in the butt and tapering section (smallest, smoothest connection again), and either the double surgeon’s knot or the Orvis tippet knot for the tippet (extra bulk doesn’t matter here – strength does). When using the blood knot, use only 3 to a maximum or 4 turns in the butt section, 5 turns in the tapering section, and, if you insist on using the blood knot with your tippets, 6 turns with 6X and 7 turns with 7X.  The more turns you use, the more secure the knot is *IF* you can seat it correctly and completely.  Smaller material uses more turns, thicker material demands fewer turns.   A five turn blood knot is almost impossible to seat well in .021" material and will easily slip after soaking in the water for a few minutes if not totally seated.  I typically use a 3 turn blood knot in the butt section and never have it fail. Beware of using other knots in the heavy part of your leader.  The blood knot is the smallest knot you can tie in monofilament, and the easiest to move through the guides.  A double surgeon’s knot is twice as bulky, and although very slightly stronger than a blood knot, also tends to get caught in the corners of the snake guides when that big fish makes one final lunge.  This results in broken-off fish, zippered-off line guides, broken rod as it gets stuck in the tip-top, or all of the above.  Not a good choice in the heavy section of the leader.  The extra bulk is no big deal in the fine part of the leader because it is just a little bump in the line with little chance of moving through the line guides let alone getting stuck in them.                                           Hope this helps,                                                     Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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I also use the double nail knot for my leaders…mainly because I never learned to tie a proper bloodknot and the double nail is easy with a knot-tying tool (they almost all have instructions on how to tie the double nail). I’ve never heard anyone talk about which is stronger, and assumed it was the bloodknot since that’s what everyone recommends.

I started using the double nail knot because it is so similar to a knot that I used many years ago when I was a rock climber. The climbing knot was considered one of the strongest because it relies on the force of the knots opposing each other rather than simply on tightening itself under a load. I don’t know which one is actually stronger, but I do know that I have never broken at the knot with the double nail, but I have with the blood knot. In all honesty though, I’ve used te blood knot longer than the double nail so it just may be a matter of time. I’m sticking with the double nail for now. Tim — To reply by e-mail, remove "sick of spam" from my return address!

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Dan Gracia, Your explanations of casting and rod flex finally tell me what have caused my problems going back and forth between different rods.   What is the Orvis tippet knot?  If its for connecting tippet to leader rather than tippet to hook is there a picture on the web or in a book?                                                  Doug Campbell

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Dan Gracia, Your explanations of casting and rod flex finally tell me what have caused my problems going back and forth between different rods.   What is the Orvis tippet knot?  If its for connecting tippet to leader rather than tippet to hook is there a picture on the web or in a book?                                               Doug Campbell

Hi Doug, There is a description of it in the Waterproof Knot Booklet that Orvis sells for around $5.  It’s a slight variation of the Orvis knot to tie on the fly. Basically a figure 8 knot with two turns through the  second loop.  I’ll see if I can scan a copy of it and e-mail it to you.  If you ever get an Orvis knotless leader and send in that little blue card,  they’ll send you a plastic wallet size card with the tippet to hook knot on one side and the leader to tippet knot on the other – no charge.                                  Good Fishing,                                         Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg.  Gregg  From what I hear, find some not still frozen lakes. Water will be everywhere, not that one cannot fish  during the run- off, it is just limiting. Harry June is usually a good month for dry flies on the Firehole inside the Park. Snow pack is at 200% in most of the Yellowstone area. Most rivers and tributaries will be high until Aug. Stick to the lakes. Guy

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June is usually a good month for dry flies on the Firehole inside the Park.

There is no Firehole outside the Park. <g  -AR

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Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg.

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Expect Snow! Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June?

– Brian D. Nelson, Missoula, Montana Montana Flyfishing and Hunting Outfitter http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm http://www.montana.com/dno/hunt.htm

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Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg.

 Gregg  From what I hear, find some not still frozen lakes. Water will be everywhere, not that one cannot fish  during the run- off, it is just limiting. Harry

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My wife and I fished Yellowstone the last week of June 2 years ago when they had an unusually high run-off.  The only river fishable was the Firehole.

I can give you updates from time to time, but the snowpack here in the wyoming mountains is very high this year- I will not be a pretty spring. I plan on starting my fishing in August (no, I’m not joking)

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My wife and I fished Yellowstone the last week of June 2 years ago when they had an unusually high run-off.  The only river fishable was the Firehole.  We had pretty good luck about 3 miles below Old Faithful Inn – can’t remember the names of the river sections.  Every other river we tried was so full of water you couldn’t reasonably fish them. I suggest you wait until after 15 July. J. Bjostad John Bjostad Columbia Heights, MN Retired avionics engineer – full time fly fishing addict

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg.  Gregg  From what I hear, find some not still frozen lakes. Water will be everywhere, not that one cannot fish  during the run- off, it is just limiting. Harry

June is usually a good month for dry flies on the Firehole inside the Park.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg.  Gregg  From what I hear, find some not still frozen lakes. Water will be everywhere, not that one cannot fish  during the run- off, it is just limiting. Harry June is usually a good month for dry flies on the Firehole inside the Park.

 Hi Steve   You are right, PMD’s are in full swing, as well as the Winnabago emergence and the evening Mini Van fall. Makes for some real fun back casting, at Fountain Flats one can hook a  tuna sandwich and a Brown on the same cast     HM

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I understand from my lunch buddies that when House Speaker Newt Gingrich was in New Hampshire this past weekend he was looking for a moose but got an earful from a fly fisherman.   Anyone know the story?

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who cares ?

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 who cares ?

One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike

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writes:  who cares ? Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook?

Snags and bottom-feeders. — -Wayne Trzyna

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writes:  who cares ? One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike

Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain pond a few weeks back!

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Newt may not be the smoothest of characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.

When you no longer have any place to fish, because the esteemed Mr Gingrich has sold off all the public lands, you’ll recognize him for what he is: a self-serving, evil man. — -Wayne Trzyna

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Newt may not be the smoothest of  characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.  When you no longer have any place to fish, because the esteemed Mr Gingrich  has sold off all the public lands, you’ll recognize him for what he is:  a self-serving, evil man.  –  -Wayne Trzyna

Wayne, are you discribing Newt or Rush? It’s not the selling of Public Lands that concern me as much as a possible roll-back of the clean air act that will effect both Public and Private Fisheries. Misha

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Firstly, I "genuflect" to no one, especially an elected official.  He’s a public servant and it’s his job to listen to what the public has to say (whether it be rude, offensive, foul or whatever).  Putting up with the public and criticism goes along with the territory. Secondly, if elected officials were "pistol whipped" and "hog tied" each time they said something off color, there would be a lot of congressmen and presidents with sore heads, wrists and ankles. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University Why don’t you girls take this CRAP to the proper forum…this isn’t the place for petty politics.

Moreover, it isn’t the place for sexist comments.  Have some respect, Donald. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University

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what was said

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Face it,  if we are going to "hog tie", Hillbilly Bill would only have stumps remaining for extremities!!  Mr. Newt may not be the smoothest of characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.    We may not all agree with the decisions being made concerning the environment but more can be done on a grass roots level to maintain our rivers than anything our now bankrupt Uncle Sam could or can ever do!

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Wait a minute. A Pinko-Liberal Vermonter flyfisher, who is afraid of the truth, trashed Newt? Tell me the story! I gotta hear it? Does Newt flyfish? Or throw grenades into hatcheries?

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 Wait a minute. A Pinko-Liberal Vermonter flyfisher, who is afraid of the  truth, trashed Newt? Tell me the story! I gotta hear it? Does Newt  flyfish? Or throw grenades into hatcheries?

Grenades into the Hatcheries is more like it.. A Pinko-Liberal Misha

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Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain pond a few weeks back!

I hope this time you forgot about catch and release. I expect that Gingrich was looking to dynamite some trout, before anyone could complain about his PAC donors dumping cyanide-laced mine tailings in the creek.  Anybody who can make Bob Dole appear a decent human being by comparison IS all bad. Catch and do the right thing,                                 Phil Holt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!   Well put. I agree that everybody should genuflect in the presence of elected officials, even if we did not elect them. It should make no difference to me that Gingrich helped pass HR 961, believes that water pollution is a problem invented in a liberal Washington D.C. think tank, and wants to roll back environmental legislation so that corporate America can steward public lands. That Puke should be hog-tied and pistol-whipped for disrespecting an elected official. db

db, Firstly, I "genuflect" to no one, especially an elected official.  He’s a public servant and it’s his job to listen to what the public has to say (whether it be rude, offensive, foul or whatever).  Putting up with the public and criticism goes along with the territory. Secondly, if elected officials were "pistol whipped" and "hog tied" each time they said something off color, there would be a lot of congressmen and presidents with sore heads, wrists and ankles. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University

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the fisherman expressed his displeasure with Newt.  He stated that Newt is mean spirited.  He also stated that the water he was fishing in would be poluted soon if the the "clean water" standards proposed by Newt’s buddies is passed.  Sounds fair to me.      Newt was a gentleman.  His response " He obviously is not from new Hampshire.  I hope that he catches some fish."      He was a teacher from Vermont.

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: I understand from my lunch buddies that when House Speaker Newt Gingrich : was in New Hampshire this past weekend he was looking for a moose but got : an earful from a fly fisherman.   Anyone know the story?    He was a Pinko-Liberal teacher from Vermont who’s afraid of the TRUTH.   Tallyho !   Alphs Kilo

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I think the puke was on the bank, not in the river…..

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

Well put. I agree that everybody should genuflect in the presence of elected officials, even if we did not elect them. It should make no difference to me that Gingrich helped pass HR 961, believes that water pollution is a problem invented in a liberal Washington D.C. think tank, and wants to roll back environmental legislation so that corporate America can steward public lands. That Puke should be hog-tied and pistol-whipped for disrespecting an elected official. db

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I care.  Newt was instrumental in pushing HR961, the Dirty Water Bill through the house.  He needed an earfull and more……

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All this talk of newt makes me dis-in-Gingriched… Dan Foster

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

Hey…isn’t that what America’s all about. Free speech. From what I read from the excerpts of this encounter, he wasn’t obscene or demeaning. He just told it like it was. When we write our congressional representatives, we wonder if our message is getting through. Well on this day his voice was certainly heard!

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!   Hey…isn’t that what America’s all about. Free speech. From what I read from the excerpts of this encounter, he wasn’t obscene or demeaning. He just told it like it was. When we write our congressional representatives, we wonder if our message is getting through. Well on this day his voice was certainly heard!

Did the guy get out of the river to say it, or is yelling over water better ?   Harry

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 who cares ? One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook?

I believe this event happened up on the Androscoggin in Errol, between the Gauge House pool (below the Errol Dam) and the Rt 26 bridge (one of my favorite stretches to spend an afternoon going after ‘bows, browns, and landlockers). The honors went to a  flyfisher from Vermont (figures – it surely wouldn’t have been anyone from Cow Hampster – who’d likely not bother to stop fishing long enough to give a Newt the time of day ;^)… When I read this story I couldn’t help but smile… <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <           "Read this and nobody gets hurt"           < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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 Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain  pond a few weeks back!

You should have placed him on a hook. You may not have caught anything, but the satisfaction of putting Newt on a hook would have been worth it.;-) But then Newts are a protected species isn’t it? Tight Lines Misha

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