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And, there are plenty of obnoxious people who aren’t wealthy. Snoop

Is it really necessary or proper to talk about me behind my back in a public forum? Op

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Nothing funny about that IMO.

I didn’t say *you* would think it was funny. <g But I do. Kind of like moving to a whorehouse to be around pretty girls – you have to put up with the occasional customer. — Charlie…

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  I fished the Bighorn on Wed & Thurs.

I’m jealous! Usually, I get over there for a few days this time of year, but it doesn’t look like I’ll make it this spring. I have no idea how one would go about fishing a dry with all of the stuff on the water.

I’ll occassionally use a parachute-style with a flourescent orange post. You might be surprised. There were some dirty orange scuds and one black leach about 3 inches long.

Streamers. Big, ugly, heavy streamers… on a sink-tip…swinging and stripping….swing and stripping (could be new lines for another song, Warren) We saw a few sports at the cafe that were really decked out.

You gotta love Polly’s! A great place to eat…..and probably the only place in the state where they’d look at you funny if you WEREN’T wearing waders. I’ll bet the pressure is on the guides to get these high rollers some fish. Kevin and I derived some perverse pleasure in catching fish right in front of the high rollers while the guide was trying to help them get a cast out at least 10 feet:)

There is NOTHING more frustrating than to have fish slurping away in front of you and your people just CANNOT put it together to get the fly past the oar. AAARRRGGGHHH! On a side note: Did they all have on the big "hair ball" "bazooka blobs" "exploding fireworks" kinda strike indicators that you can see for a gazillion feet??? — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno 406-626-4022

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I’ll occassionally use a parachute-style with a flourescent orange post. You might be surprised.

  Good idea.  I should have thought of that.  I did have one fish come close to taking my flor. green strike indicator.  I’ll give it a try next time I go. You gotta love Polly’s! A great place to eat…..and probably the only place in the state where they’d look at you funny if you WEREN’T wearing waders.

  I like it because it’s a cheap place to stay in the off season.  The food’s pretty good, too, but a little overpriced.  I had the steak sandwich Wed. night.  It was really good but didn’t "sit well" and I was up half the night.  Meat tenderizer?  The really cheap rooms at the cafe were booked so Kevin and I got the trailer.  That costs $36.00/head but it was nice and roomy.  I think you could sleep 8 or 9 people there but I’ll bet they close it up and winterize for the off season. On a side note: Did they all have on the big "hair ball" "bazooka blobs" "exploding fireworks" kinda strike indicators that you can see for a gazillion feet???

  Yes, there were quite a few of those on the river.  I tried them once and didn’t like them.  I use the larger foam floats with the slit down the side and a piece of rubber through the center.  They seem to cast better for me, are easily adjustable and always float.  What’s the deal with the giant fluff balls?  No wonder so many people have trouble casting in the wind.  Wouldn’t they get along better with the more streamlined floats?   Also, as a guide, do you have any humorous stories to tell?  I think most guides must earn every penny.  Looks like a tough life to me.  Also looks like a good way to turn an enjoyable hobby into drudgery. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I didn’t say *you* would think it was funny. <g But I do. Kind of like moving to a whorehouse to be around pretty girls – you have to put up with the occasional customer.

Well, whatever floats your boat there Charlie.

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Well, whatever floats your boat there Charlie.

I don’t think it’s my boat that’s bothering you… — Charlie…

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Nothing funny about that IMO. I didn’t say *you* would think it was funny. <g But I do. Kind of like moving to a whorehouse to be around pretty girls – you have to put up with the occasional customer.

As one of the very people you described (first visited here for the fishing and camping, then moved here for the fishing and camping), I agree with you that it’s funny.  What’s even funnier is that we don’t really mind the tourists, despite our griping, as long as they remain tourists.  What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did. JR

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As one of the very people you described (first visited here for the fishing and camping, then moved here for the fishing and camping), I agree with you that it’s funny.  What’s even funnier is that we don’t really mind the tourists, despite our griping, as long as they remain tourists.  What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did.

You should see how annoyed the whorehouses get under similar circumstances ! TL MC

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As one of the very people you described (first visited here for the fishing and camping, then moved here for the fishing and camping), I agree with you that it’s funny.  What’s even funnier is that we don’t really mind the tourists, despite our griping, as long as they remain tourists.  What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did.

That’s funny. How about it, Warren? Do you have a come back? (I’m saying that as an unapologetic, recent, fair-weather Idaho transplant.) Where do you live, JR? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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 What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did.

Yep. I hope to share that feeling about someplace, someday. <g — Charlie…

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Where do you live, JR?

Bend, Oregon, which was a wonderful place before I arrived, became a true paradise on earth for a while after I got here, and is now a stinking hell hole, altogether a far, far less attractive place than many I can think of in Idaho and Montana. JR

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As one of the very people you described (first visited here for the fishing and camping, then moved here for the fishing and camping), I agree with you that it’s funny.  What’s even funnier is that we don’t really mind the tourists, despite our griping, as long as they remain tourists.  What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did. You should see how annoyed the whorehouses get under similar circumstances !

I dunno, amateur night at the local is always an " uplifting " experience. — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – TL MC

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That’s funny. How about it, Warren? Do you have a come back? (I’m saying that as an unapologetic, recent, fair-weather Idaho transplant.)

Yeah I have a come back.  You got to draw the line somewhere so I move that we start with RW. ~ Seriously though, JR is right to some degree.  When you move somewhere and become accustomed to a certain quality of living, you have to do what you can to protect it.  If I moved to an area because it was remote, had everything that I wanted and the very reasons why I moved here were threatened due to overcrowding, you better believe I am going to bitch when things start getting crowded. Most of it isn’t so much the number of people but the quality around here. Californians are equated as being liberal tree huggers who want their 20 acre "ranch" along the river and despise the stream access laws.  It is somewhat true, but there are a lot of people from back East who are far worse in my experiences.  It is a more a quality of the people coming issue. Natives don’t give me any crap for being an ex resident of California because I hold many of the same views as they do and am not a threat to the quality of life. Now that I am a resident and have been for several years, am bound to this valley by blood that I cannot leave, I am somewhat trapped.  I do not make any money off tourism and never have.  Tourists decend in hoards upon the rivers that I fish year around and force me to either brave the masses or fish somewhere else.  It doesn’t bother me too much because I don’t go the rivers where I feel like I can’t fish.  I have plenty of places to fish, even on the crowded rivers, that see fewer people. In some areas it is a problem and that isn’t just me saying that.  That is the opinion of users of the resources when polled by the DFW.  The Beaverhead is a prime example of that.  I think I told the story about how I was there opening day last year and the place was so crowded you couldn’t even find a campsite.  Two Montana plates, the rest from out of state. My take on this, and Charlie can laugh if he wants to, is that I am a resident.  I pay taxes here, I live here, the water was deeded over to the state by the federal government (if you need legal citings, I can provide them).  It is property of the state, not the union.  Our state Constitution is not applicable to residents of other states in regards to property.  Just like you don’t go by Montana property laws if you live outside of Montana and we don’t go by other state’s laws.  Being a resident and being governed by the state Constitution and the laws of Montana, I should have a greater right to the water than someone from out of state.  It is a right under our Constitution, BTW. I am not calling for an outright ban on out of state anglers or anything like that, just some limits so that residents of this state can enjoy what is theirs once in a while.  I was hoping they were going to either give river permits on a limited basis on crowded waters to out of state anglers, or set aside certain days for residents.  There is only one river that I have fished where this is necessary and that is the Beaverhead.  The Big Horn is a much larger river and even when crowded, I have never felt like I was lacking water to fish.  Same thing on the Madison.  I find there is plenty of water to fish and only a few areas that are really crowded to the point where there are problems and the quality of the experience is diminished due to the crowds.  The whole issue of crowds is a seasonal case anyways.  I always have the winters to enjoy being one of the few people on a river, if not the only person. That’s my story and I am sticking to it. <g — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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Bend, Oregon, which was a wonderful place before I arrived, became a true paradise on earth for a while after I got here, and is now a stinking hell hole, altogether a far, far less attractive place than many I can think of in Idaho and Montana.

That’s just an outright lie.  Idaho is the best place to be.  Montana is scorched Earth, whirling disease desimated trout streams, New Zealand mud snail infested, and dirt poor.  Idaho on the other hand isn’t as bad off. Oregon is the best place in the world to be though.  They have good paying jobs, excellent hunting and their fishing is one of the best kept secrets in the lower 48. HTH — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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Bend, Oregon, which was a wonderful place before I arrived, became a true paradise on earth for a while after I got here, and is now a stinking hell hole, altogether a far, far less attractive place than many I can think of in Idaho and Montana. That’s just an outright lie.  Idaho is the best place to be.  Montana is scorched Earth, whirling disease desimated trout streams, New Zealand mud snail infested, and dirt poor.  Idaho on the other hand isn’t as bad off. Oregon is the best place in the world to be though.  They have good paying jobs, excellent hunting and their fishing is one of the best kept secrets in the lower 48. HTH

Well, there’s another damnable lie (about Oregon, the Calcutta of the West), but at least it’s offset by the God’s honest truth about Idaho: the new Jerusalem, brothers, an Elysian utopia with trout the size of snowmobiles and blissful citizens (of the very highest ethical standards, mind you) ready to welcome their fellow sportsmen with open arms.  Every fishing and hunting guide a nubile ex-cheerleader who makes Angie look like Howard Stern.  Every publican and shopkeeper a source of freely shared information– earned over a lifetime–about honey holes where the steelhead chase each other off in order to be the first to impale themselves on your hook. Fishing in Oregon?!?!  Oh, my.  A long time ago, maybe.  Now you could catch more fish out of the average toilet bowl in New York City, son.  And even that was before the Terrible Drought of 2001, a sure harbinger of impending ecological collapse.  These days, before you can tie on a fly in Oregon you have to file an environmental impact statement.  Hell’s bells. Everyone *here* is moving to Idaho! JR

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It’s also funny to see people who live in states that make a bunch of money from tourism bitch about tourists, especially the ones who were tourists there once themselves. <g

I don’t make any money off of tourism either directly or indirectly and haven’t been any tourist related industries.  I moved to Montana without ever coming as a tourist.  I got accepted to school out here, had relatives who used to live out here and moved based on pictures, school, and their opinion of the place, and the promises of good fishing and hunting.  I am now a legal resident, have been for 5 years, I was married here, my daughter was born here and I am trapped here until my daughter gets older.  Nothing funny about that IMO. — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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A few more trips and you will have a new definition of crowded.  Glad you caught lots of fish, always makes the trip more enjoyable.  I hear you on the high rollers who can’t cast.  Catching fish in front of them is always a blast and I am happy you got that experience

  Oh, yeah, you have some experience being in a boat with a tyro who couldn’t cast, don’t you?  Did your "line welts" heal up?   I’m afraid I came off anti elitist.  It’s not any of my business how much someone wants to spend on their hobby.  They aren’t any different from you or me.  They just want to have fun.  Of course, they can buy a lot more fun than a lot of us:)  Still, I can’t help suffering from some smug satisfaction when I catch fish on my $40.00 Three Forks while they flail away with their $2,500 bamboo rods.  (Heck, I’m still trying to save money for one of G’s moderately priced bamboo rods.)  Once I get my last daughter out of college I may be able to splurge a bit.  My goal in life is to end up like Charlie—-80 rods with a deluxe reel for each one.  But, I won’t take it as far as he does.  You know, long finger nails, long gray beard and hair, sleeps with all his rods, wears a white gown and sprays everyone and everything with disinfectant spray and designs large, wooden airplanes:) Snoop —

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The ones that crack me up are those that think their money will get them fish.  My buddy that guided in Idaho last summer had some stories about several rich, stuck up people who didn’t want to learn how to do things the right way, but thought that the gear they bought and the money they spent on a trip guaranteed them success.  Money does not equate with skill or success and it is hard for these people to realize that.  When I see them out there flailing the water into a froth giving dirty looks to their guides as if it is his fault, I get a laugh.  Especially after I pull out fish right in front of them.  It isn’t that I am against people with money who fish, hell I fish with RW don’t I?

  Anyone, wealthy or not, who goes to the expense and time to travel to fish with a guide and doesn’t take local advice gets what they deserve. I have a good friend who guided in Alaska for 20+ years.  Had a couple of jet boats and a Cessna 180 on floats.  He guided hunters and fishermen.  We’ve sat around a few campfires and listened to his stories.  Very interesting.  The hunters were the worst.  Generally, the fishermen were easier to be around.  The bear stories were hair raising and I don’t think I care to fly with any Alaska bush pilots.  (Well, actually, I don’t like flying with anyone else but my friend who’s a retired 747 pilot.) It is the attitude of the rich, stuck up snobs that I enjoy tweaking.  I have met several people who had tons of money out fishing and were actually very eager to learn and asked lots of questions.  Those types of people I like, very down to earth and just willing to learn because they love fly fishing.  It is the ones who have to announce to an entire fly shop that they need to use their Platinum card to buy half dozen flies as if we should be impressed that they have a Platinum card that piss me off, the ones like Peter posted about at one of the fly shops he goes to with the guy’s buddy looking at a reel, etc.  I enjoy watching them suffer when they go fishless because they are too stubborn and stuck up to listen to the "hired help" or "riff raff".  They are out there and certainly do exist.  I have found the Big Horn to have a high concentration of those types of people.

  Yep, those are the people who rub me the wrong way.  But, they’re not necessarily rich.  A lot of those clowns are up to their necks in credit card debt and are one pay check away from losing cars, houses and their mistresses.  And, there are plenty of obnoxious people who aren’t wealthy. Snoop —

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 I enjoy watching them suffer when they go fishless because they are too stubborn and stuck up to listen to the "hired help" or "riff raff".  They are out there and certainly do exist.  I have found the Big Horn to have a high concentration of those types of people.

It’s also funny to see people who live in states that make a bunch of money from tourism bitch about tourists, especially the ones who were tourists there once themselves. <g — Charlie…

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My goal in life is to end up like Charlie—-80 rods with a deluxe reel for each one.  But, I won’t take it as far as he does.  You know, long finger nails, long gray beard and hair, sleeps with all his rods, wears a white gown and sprays everyone and everything with disinfectant spray and designs large, wooden airplanes:)

    That’s my late uncle Howie you’re describing. I helped him write his will, but I don’t want to be like him.

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  Oh, yeah, you have some experience being in a boat with a tyro who couldn’t cast, don’t you?  Did your "line welts" heal up?

Yeah, the line welts went away and the lump from getting nailed by split shot and bead heads eventually went away also.   I’m afraid I came off anti elitist.  It’s not any of my business how much someone wants to spend on their hobby.  They aren’t any different from you or me.  They just want to have fun.  Of course, they can buy a lot more fun than a lot of us:)  Still, I can’t help suffering from some smug satisfaction when I catch fish on my $40.00 Three Forks while they flail away with their $2,500 bamboo rods.

The ones that crack me up are those that think their money will get them fish.  My buddy that guided in Idaho last summer had some stories about several rich, stuck up people who didn’t want to learn how to do things the right way, but thought that the gear they bought and the money they spent on a trip guaranteed them success.  Money does not equate with skill or success and it is hard for these people to realize that.  When I see them out there flailing the water into a froth giving dirty looks to their guides as if it is his fault, I get a laugh.  Especially after I pull out fish right in front of them.  It isn’t that I am against people with money who fish, hell I fish with RW don’t I? It is the attitude of the rich, stuck up snobs that I enjoy tweaking.  I have met several people who had tons of money out fishing and were actually very eager to learn and asked lots of questions.  Those types of people I like, very down to earth and just willing to learn because they love fly fishing.  It is the ones who have to announce to an entire fly shop that they need to use their Platinum card to buy half dozen flies as if we should be impressed that they have a Platinum card that piss me off, the ones like Peter posted about at one of the fly shops he goes to with the guy’s buddy looking at a reel, etc.  I enjoy watching them suffer when they go fishless because they are too stubborn and stuck up to listen to the "hired help" or "riff raff".  They are out there and certainly do exist.  I have found the Big Horn to have a high concentration of those types of people. — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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  I fished the Bighorn on Wed & Thurs.  It was a great trip.  I caught 9 fish on Wed. and 18 on Thursday.  That’s more like it!  

Thanks for the report. I also find larger rivers more difficult to fish (and less fun) than smaller waters. It is more like lake fishing to me. Since they are so large and usually so deep, fish holding and feeding areas often must be inferred rather than observed. A low gradient river like the Bighorn is even more difficult. Willi

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Thanks for the report. I also find larger rivers more difficult to fish (and less fun) than smaller waters. It is more like lake fishing to me. Since they are so large and usually so deep, fish holding and feeding areas often must be inferred rather than observed. A low gradient river like the Bighorn is even more difficult. Willi

  One of the biggest problems I face is the amount of weight needed to fish deeper holes and/or fast current. Slinging all that weight with an indicator and dropper fly all day in the wind is not my idea of great fun. Snoop —

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A few more trips and you will have a new definition of crowded.  Glad you caught lots of fish, always makes the trip more enjoyable.  I hear you on the high rollers who can’t cast.  Catching fish in front of them is always a blast and I am happy you got that experience

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   I fished the Bighorn on Wed & Thurs.  It was a great trip.  I caught 9 fish on Wed. and 18 on Thursday.  That’s more like it!  As I said in another post, I couldn’t believe the number (tons ?) of midges on the water and in the air.  With all of the midges available, we saw very little surface action.  I have no idea how one would go about fishing a dry with all of the stuff on the water.  Perhaps an unrelated, larger fly like a Royal Wulff?   All of the action for us was on nymphs, scuds or midge pupa.  One of the hottest flies was the brown/tan thread body, black thread head that I learned about at the San Juan clave tied on size 20 & 22 hooks.  The guy that I was fishing with (Kevin) kept a few Browns and checked stomach contents.  Most of the contents were the little brown/gray midge pupa.  There were some dirty orange scuds and one black leach about 3 inches long.  We caught about half browns and half bows.  No whitefish this time.   We floated from 3 mile to Bighorn both days.  The river was crowded but I guess I’m getting more used to it. We did fish one side channel that was too shallow for drift boats and spent a lot of time there both days.  We had no one else fish through so it was quite enjoyable.  This was probably the best area we fished on this trip.  I think this kind of water is easier to fish.  The main river just seems so big and intimidating and I have a hard time knowing where to start to fish. There’s just so many choices.  It seems like a lot of places I think are "fishy" don’t have any fish that I can catch.   I spent a lot of time watching other fishermen and the guides.  Kind of a fun pastime but probably responsible for a lot of missed fish.  We saw 2 beautiful wood drift boats that looked like they came off the showroom floor.  It was interesting watching all of the different experience levels of fishermen.  It seemed like there were a lot of novices on the stream these 2 days.  We saw a few sports at the cafe that were really decked out.  Looked like they just fell off the cover of a LL Bean catalog.  Some of those guys had more money invested in one rod that I have in all my fishing gear.  I guess a few of the resorts up there are $500/day.  I’d like to visit with a few of those guys just to see what they think about the whole deal.  I imagine flying into Billings from big cities in the east or west would be kind of a mind blower.  Wonder what they thought when they traveled through the "beautiful" town of Lodge Grass or finally arrived at Ft Smith?  I’ll bet they felt like they were at the end of the world.  I’ll bet the pressure is on the guides to get these high rollers some fish.  Kevin and I derived some perverse pleasure in catching fish right in front of the high rollers while the guide was trying to help them get a cast out at least 10 feet:)  Of course, we were all the style what with our North Dakota drift boat (20 year old John boat) and our flashy dress (we looked like all of the roffers I’ve met at claves with the exception of Charlie who is always spiffed up to a "T", I suppose in case he runs across a high class book store or brothel).   I suppose that’s my last trip to the Horn until late fall.  We should be thawing at the higher elevations shortly around here and I’ll be going to work in a couple of weeks which will really raise hell with fishing for awhile:( Snoop —

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  I fished the Bighorn on Wed & Thurs.  It was a great trip.  I caught 9 fish on Wed. and 18 on Thursday.  That’s more like it!  As I said in another post, I couldn’t believe the number (tons ?) of midges on the water and in the air.  With all of the midges available, we saw very little surface action.  I have no idea how one would go about fishing a dry with all of the stuff on the water.  Perhaps an unrelated, larger fly like a Royal Wulff?   All of the action for us was on nymphs, scuds or midge pupa.  One of the hottest flies was the brown/tan thread body, black thread head that I learned about at the San Juan clave tied on size 20 & 22 hooks.  The guy that I was fishing with (Kevin) kept a few Browns and checked stomach contents.  Most of the contents were the little brown/gray midge pupa.  There were some dirty orange scuds and one black leach about 3 inches long.  We caught about half browns and half bows.  No whitefish this time.   We floated from 3 mile to Bighorn both days.  The river was crowded but I guess I’m getting more used to it. We did fish one side channel that was too shallow for drift boats and spent a lot of time there both days.  We had no one else fish through so it was quite enjoyable.  This was probably the best area we fished on this trip.  I think this kind of water is easier to fish.  The main river just seems so big and intimidating and I have a hard time knowing where to start to fish. There’s just so many choices.  It seems like a lot of places I think are "fishy" don’t have any fish that I can catch.   I spent a lot of time watching other fishermen and the guides.  Kind of a fun pastime but probably responsible for a lot of missed fish.  We saw 2 beautiful wood drift boats that looked like they came off the showroom floor.  It was interesting watching all of the different experience levels of fishermen.  It seemed like there were a lot of novices on the stream these 2 days.  We saw a few sports at the cafe that were really decked out.  Looked like they just fell off the cover of a LL Bean catalog.  Some of those guys had more money invested in one rod that I have in all my fishing gear.  I guess a few of the resorts up there are $500/day.  I’d like to visit with a few of those guys just to see what they think about the whole deal.  I imagine flying into Billings from big cities in the east or west would be kind of a mind blower.  Wonder what they thought when they traveled through the "beautiful" town of Lodge Grass or finally arrived at Ft Smith?  I’ll bet they felt like they were at the end of the world.  I’ll bet the pressure is on the guides to get these high rollers some fish.  Kevin and I derived some perverse pleasure in catching fish right in front of the high rollers while the guide was trying to help them get a cast out at least 10 feet:)  Of course, we were all the style what with our North Dakota drift boat (20 year old John boat) and our flashy dress (we looked like all of the roffers I’ve met at claves with the exception of Charlie who is always spiffed up to a "T", I suppose in case he runs across a high class book store or brothel).   I suppose that’s my last trip to the Horn until late fall.  We should be thawing at the higher elevations shortly around here and I’ll be going to work in a couple of weeks which will really raise hell with fishing for awhile:( Snoop —

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George,    Good observations all, would add that the Tricos are another one to add to that list of little mayflies and that here in the East US, I have seen a very small rusty colored dun in the later parts of the season. As noted, tying must be very sparse, with fine threads and little dubbing. We are in the midst of trico season on the Tulpehocken in PA. I have noted a couple of things about this hatch: First, emergers sometimes work after the spinner fall is over, as the fish sometimes go back to the crippled duns for a last snack. Second, a quick shot over risers with a larger, but not outrageous fly(say, a #18 sulfur,amidst #24 Tricos)will rise some good fish.                                     Tom Littleton

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I don’t know if your American Caenis are the same as our Scottish ones (pale cream and cover your jacket with sloughed skins!) but we had a huge hatch on Loch leven on Friday. Damned frustrating but took 4 nice browns on s20 hares ear suspender. I wonder if they don’t take the nymphs as much as the adults. You’reright about the feeding lane!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – These are the Mighty Mouse of all the flies.  When these little suckers come off the water in the trillions and bunches, nothing else will work.  There are some hints on how to fish these blanket hatches and it is well worth one’s time. Here is the time of year when fish of great size can be taken on hooks as small as you care to tie.  I tie the Baetis vagans with upright blue dun wings down to size 24’s.  The same goes for olive bodied Baetis that are coming off the water.  However, it is the spinner flight that makes the trout go mad.  As the Baetis spend themselves, the currents gather them in little bunches and many of the spent wings of both species are easily tied on size 20 – 26 hooks for you only need a hint of body color and with the fine spinning nature of mink or rabbit, this is not hard to do. The first thing to know is that paint brush filaments are great tails for the spinner flights.  As small as these flies are, I tie in two tails that are spread out to 3/4 of an inch long and across.  From the tail, you only need a hint of dubbing or a small woven body from thread only.  Dan Byford showed me how to do that and it works as ridiculous as it sounds.  Personally, I think its too much work. Again, the first thing I tie in are the spent wings, I go back to the filament tails, come forward with a little body color, and whip finish off.  You need 8/0 thread for this work and if you tie these flies with all the seriousness you can muster, it will pay handsome dividends. The secret to fishing these very tiny flies is to wade out and wait. Pick a feeding fish because all the fish will not be roaming all over chasing these things.  They will be feeding in a very narrow lane.  Your cast must be within an inch of width, most times for the trout to take and it has to be timed perfectly.  This may mean dozens of casts to the same fish until you’re convinced its playing with you.  Take your time. You shouldn’t be casting any farther than a dozen feet or so. Let the fly always float well past your target so you always pick up long after and behind the fish. How you dress these very minute flies is also important.  Float the fly, do not float the first four inches from the fly and float the rest of the leader with you know what.  This procedure will put a short but vital disconnection between he fly and 8X tippet. The next thing you need to do is slightly off-set the hook just a bit. Not much, just a little.  If you can find some Captain Hamilton Hooks by Partridge, dries at that, all the better because these have wide gaps. Make no mistake about it.  These small hooks will hold a big fish.  The will grab just about any mouth membrane and you may have your hands full with your first big fish on a small hook set up.  Check the drag and make sure its set to zero.  Just the line friction will be enough at the beginning stages of the battle.  Immediately at hook up, point the tip of your fly rod right at the fish and let it run right off the reel. ‘When casting,’ make sure you have no slack on the water that will snap to tautness and thus snapping you off. Getting back to the fish you’re working on, it goes like this with each cast.  Cast and then mend.  Cast and then mend.  Cast and then mend. Always mend, even if its just for a one foot float.  Always mend. If you think you need to do a false cast, after your fly goes behind the fish and out of view, false cast there before returning to deliver the fly for another float. Here is another secret some may not know.  The heavier the fly line you’re using the longer the leader must be. The lighter the fly line you’re using, the shorter the leader can be.  Just because you may be fishing a 7 WT, doesn’t mean you can’t fish Baetis and Caenis Duns and Spinners with it.  Just go to a 12 foot leader, hand tied if possible with a 36 inch 8X tippet.  If you know how to tie a good leader, you can make that baby turn all the way over each time and a lot of times you may be casting just the leader using a 9 foot NWT.  Here also, you want zero reel drag for starters. The Gink Book of Fly Fishing Records which few know about consists of anyone catching an 18 inch fish on a size 18 hook or a size 26 inch fish on a size 26 hook.  The only ones I have not been able to do yet is the 28 inch fish on a size 28 hook and of course the most difficult, the 32/32  Club.  This however; is another story for another time. So if you find yourself in the Caenis blizzard hatch, smile and start setting up your gear.  The tails may seem unusual but they work.  Just don’t forget your blue or yellow polaroid sun glasses.  Fishing these flies is where bamboo really shines. See you again soon. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

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These are the Mighty Mouse of all the flies.  When these little suckers come off the water in the trillions and bunches, nothing else will work.  There are some hints on how to fish these blanket hatches and it is well worth one’s time. Here is the time of year when fish of great size can be taken on hooks as small as you care to tie.  I tie the Baetis vagans with upright blue dun wings down to size 24’s.  The same goes for olive bodied Baetis that are coming off the water.  However, it is the spinner flight that makes the trout go mad.  As the Baetis spend themselves, the currents gather them in little bunches and many of the spent wings of both species are easily tied on size 20 – 26 hooks for you only need a hint of body color and with the fine spinning nature of mink or rabbit, this is not hard to do.   The first thing to know is that paint brush filaments are great tails for the spinner flights.  As small as these flies are, I tie in two tails that are spread out to 3/4 of an inch long and across.  From the tail, you only need a hint of dubbing or a small woven body from thread only.  Dan Byford showed me how to do that and it works as ridiculous as it sounds.  Personally, I think its too much work. Again, the first thing I tie in are the spent wings, I go back to the filament tails, come forward with a little body color, and whip finish off.  You need 8/0 thread for this work and if you tie these flies with all the seriousness you can muster, it will pay handsome dividends. The secret to fishing these very tiny flies is to wade out and wait. Pick a feeding fish because all the fish will not be roaming all over chasing these things.  They will be feeding in a very narrow lane.  Your cast must be within an inch of width, most times for the trout to take and it has to be timed perfectly.  This may mean dozens of casts to the same fish until you’re convinced its playing with you.  Take your time. You shouldn’t be casting any farther than a dozen feet or so.   Let the fly always float well past your target so you always pick up long after and behind the fish.   How you dress these very minute flies is also important.  Float the fly, do not float the first four inches from the fly and float the rest of the leader with you know what.  This procedure will put a short but vital disconnection between he fly and 8X tippet.   The next thing you need to do is slightly off-set the hook just a bit. Not much, just a little.  If you can find some Captain Hamilton Hooks by Partridge, dries at that, all the better because these have wide gaps. Make no mistake about it.  These small hooks will hold a big fish.  The will grab just about any mouth membrane and you may have your hands full with your first big fish on a small hook set up.  Check the drag and make sure its set to zero.  Just the line friction will be enough at the beginning stages of the battle.  Immediately at hook up, point the tip of your fly rod right at the fish and let it run right off the reel. ‘When casting,’ make sure you have no slack on the water that will snap to tautness and thus snapping you off. Getting back to the fish you’re working on, it goes like this with each cast.  Cast and then mend.  Cast and then mend.  Cast and then mend. Always mend, even if its just for a one foot float.  Always mend. If you think you need to do a false cast, after your fly goes behind the fish and out of view, false cast there before returning to deliver the fly for another float. Here is another secret some may not know.  The heavier the fly line you’re using the longer the leader must be. The lighter the fly line you’re using, the shorter the leader can be.  Just because you may be fishing a 7 WT, doesn’t mean you can’t fish Baetis and Caenis Duns and Spinners with it.  Just go to a 12 foot leader, hand tied if possible with a 36 inch 8X tippet.  If you know how to tie a good leader, you can make that baby turn all the way over each time and a lot of times you may be casting just the leader using a 9 foot NWT.  Here also, you want zero reel drag for starters. The Gink Book of Fly Fishing Records which few know about consists of anyone catching an 18 inch fish on a size 18 hook or a size 26 inch fish on a size 26 hook.  The only ones I have not been able to do yet is the 28 inch fish on a size 28 hook and of course the most difficult, the 32/32  Club.  This however; is another story for another time. So if you find yourself in the Caenis blizzard hatch, smile and start setting up your gear.  The tails may seem unusual but they work.  Just don’t forget your blue or yellow polaroid sun glasses.  Fishing these flies is where bamboo really shines. See you again soon. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know if your American Caenis are the same as our Scottish ones (pale cream and cover your jacket with sloughed skins!) but we had a huge hatch on Loch leven on Friday. Damned frustrating but took 4 nice browns on s20 hares ear suspender. I wonder if they don’t take the nymphs as much as the adults. You’reright about the feeding lane! These are the Mighty Mouse of all the flies.  When these little suckers come off the water in the trillions and bunches, nothing else will work.  There are some hints on how to fish these blanket hatches and it is well worth one’s time. Here is the time of year when fish of great size can be taken on hooks as small as you care to tie.  I tie the Baetis vagans with upright blue dun wings down to size 24’s.  The same goes for olive bodied Baetis that are coming off the water.  However, it is the spinner flight that makes the trout go mad.  As the Baetis spend themselves, the currents gather them in little bunches and many of the spent wings of both species are easily tied on size 20 – 26 hooks for you only need a hint of body color and with the fine spinning nature of mink or rabbit, this is not hard to do. The first thing to know is that paint brush filaments are great tails for the spinner flights.  As small as these flies are, I tie in two tails that are spread out to 3/4 of an inch long and across.  From the tail, you only need a hint of dubbing or a small woven body from thread only.  Dan Byford showed me how to do that and it works as ridiculous as it sounds.  Personally, I think its too much work. Again, the first thing I tie in are the spent wings, I go back to the filament tails, come forward with a little body color, and whip finish off.  You need 8/0 thread for this work and if you tie these flies with all the seriousness you can muster, it will pay handsome dividends. The secret to fishing these very tiny flies is to wade out and wait. Pick a feeding fish because all the fish will not be roaming all over chasing these things.  They will be feeding in a very narrow lane.  Your cast must be within an inch of width, most times for the trout to take and it has to be timed perfectly.  This may mean dozens of casts to the same fish until you’re convinced its playing with you.  Take your time. You shouldn’t be casting any farther than a dozen feet or so. Let the fly always float well past your target so you always pick up long after and behind the fish. How you dress these very minute flies is also important.  Float the fly, do not float the first four inches from the fly and float the rest of the leader with you know what.  This procedure will put a short but vital disconnection between he fly and 8X tippet. The next thing you need to do is slightly off-set the hook just a bit. Not much, just a little.  If you can find some Captain Hamilton Hooks by Partridge, dries at that, all the better because these have wide gaps. Make no mistake about it.  These small hooks will hold a big fish.  The will grab just about any mouth membrane and you may have your hands full with your first big fish on a small hook set up.  Check the drag and make sure its set to zero.  Just the line friction will be enough at the beginning stages of the battle.  Immediately at hook up, point the tip of your fly rod right at the fish and let it run right off the reel. ‘When casting,’ make sure you have no slack on the water that will snap to tautness and thus snapping you off. Getting back to the fish you’re working on, it goes like this with each cast.  Cast and then mend.  Cast and then mend.  Cast and then mend. Always mend, even if its just for a one foot float.  Always mend. If you think you need to do a false cast, after your fly goes behind the fish and out of view, false cast there before returning to deliver the fly for another float. Here is another secret some may not know.  The heavier the fly line you’re using the longer the leader must be. The lighter the fly line you’re using, the shorter the leader can be.  Just because you may be fishing a 7 WT, doesn’t mean you can’t fish Baetis and Caenis Duns and Spinners with it.  Just go to a 12 foot leader, hand tied if possible with a 36 inch 8X tippet.  If you know how to tie a good leader, you can make that baby turn all the way over each time and a lot of times you may be casting just the leader using a 9 foot NWT.  Here also, you want zero reel drag for starters. The Gink Book of Fly Fishing Records which few know about consists of anyone catching an 18 inch fish on a size 18 hook or a size 26 inch fish on a size 26 hook.  The only ones I have not been able to do yet is the 28 inch fish on a size 28 hook and of course the most difficult, the 32/32  Club.  This however; is another story for another time. So if you find yourself in the Caenis blizzard hatch, smile and start setting up your gear.  The tails may seem unusual but they work.  Just don’t forget your blue or yellow polaroid sun glasses.  Fishing these flies is where bamboo really shines. See you again soon. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

When they start coming up for the dries, they often are distracted by any other emergers at the time.  The Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear proves that as it is not the spinner flight you were working.  Trout, it is known are opportunist.  Not unlike Roffians. LOL! — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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I don’t know if your American Caenis are the same as our Scottish ones (pale cream and cover your jacket with sloughed skins!) but we had a huge hatch on Loch leven on Friday. Damned frustrating but took 4 nice browns on s20 hares ear suspender. I wonder if they don’t take the nymphs as much as the adults. You’reright about the feeding lane!

_____  You’re correct about emergers at the same time.  As many are coming as going.  LOL!  This is why when the spinner ever goes awash, they smash it anyhow. Thanks for the response Malcolm. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

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    Does anyone have any info/experience in SWFF in Greece?  I am a reasonably experienced So Florida FF, but am going to Greece in May on my honeymoon, (and will miss some of the Tarpon season).  I’ll be traveling throughout the Aegean Islands (Patmos, Simi, etc), and am looking for info on types of fish, flies, rod weights, line types, etc. Any direction will be greatly appreciated. Thanking the community in advance CHRIS

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    Does anyone have any info/experience in SWFF in Greece?  I am a reasonably experienced So Florida FF, but am going to Greece in May on my honeymoon…

        On your honeymoon?         Chris, you’re either a brave man or a very lucky one!

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   Does anyone have any info/experience in SWFF in Greece?  I am a reasonably experienced So Florida FF, but am going to Greece in May on my honeymoon, (and will miss some of the Tarpon season).  I’ll be traveling throughout the Aegean Islands (Patmos, Simi, etc), and am looking for info on types of fish, flies, rod weights, line types, etc. Any direction will be greatly appreciated. Thanking the community in advance CHRIS

Chris – Sorry, buddy, but Greece is a little beyond my FF experience.  But I sure would appreciate it if you would fill us in when you get back.       Gene

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Does anyone have any information on flyfishing in Greece?  I’m interested in area North of Athens.  Haven’t been able to find much so far.

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Does anyone have any information on flyfishing in Greece?  I’m interested in area North of Athens.  Haven’t been able to find much so far.

Back in october, about 150 miles north of athens, dave lacourse was doing some serious fishing in grease. it’s dangerous, dang near kilt jeff miller. so if you’re gonna fish in grease, be careful….. waldo — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Does anyone have any information on fly fishing in Greece?  I’m interested in the area from Athens to the North.  Thanks for any help anyone can give.   I tried to post this a couple hours ago but it apparently didn’t work.

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Let me guess, that would be Athens, Georgia.                         Frank Reid

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have any information on flyfishing in Greece?  I’m interested in area North of Athens.  Haven’t been able to find much so far. Back in october, about 150 miles north of athens, dave lacourse was doing some serious fishing in grease. it’s dangerous, dang near kilt jeff miller. so if you’re gonna fish in grease, be careful….. waldo — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Let me guess, that would be Athens, Georgia.

Correct, and the grease was the by-product of Louie’s alleged ‘cooking’.<g — Charlie…

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Thanks guys, didn’t realize I would be opening the door for you to poke such fun!  Don’t slip too far.

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Two weeks holiday in Crete what’s the fishing like.

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Two weeks holiday in Crete what’s the fishing like.

Well, damn…I thought this was another Gink/Xink thread… TC, R

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Kiyu,   Or you could buy a Blood Knot Machine.  See http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241 . Ernie

Aw Geez!!!! Or you could buy a Blood Knot Machine. See http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241 .

Sorry Ernie. Shoulda prefaced my post with that.<G Check is in the mail. Do I have to wear a blindfold to operate this thing or can I peek?<G Kiyu

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Kiyu,   Or you could buy a Blood Knot Machine.  See http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241 .

____  Why buy a Blood Knot Machine when I already have the fingers trained? New Motto:  Free Knots by Hands, Inc. : ) — MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/ "the saga continues"

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  Or you could buy a Blood Knot Machine.  See http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241 . Ernie Aw Geez!!!! Sorry Ernie. Shoulda prefaced my post with that.<G Check is in the mail. Do I have to wear a blindfold to operate this thing or can I peek?<G Kiyu

I don’t know Kiyu, you probably could tie one with a blindfold, but I need all the help I can get. Ernie

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That IS weird. The weakest link for me is invariably the double surgeons between leader and tippet. It is possible to attach tippet with a blood/barrel knot astream, I saw a guide do just that with an elaborate sequence of hand over hand maneuvers and a deft twist of the wrist. If I could master that technique my leader to tippet connection would be quite a bit stronger, but what the hell, if you’re snagged the line has to break somewhere. — Ken Fortenberry

I used to do both types of clinch knots but now I’ve converted to the uni-knot as it is very quick, good for geezerhood afflicted eyesight and not noticeably weaker than any other.  One good thing about the uni, if you screw up, it breaks easily in a pull test.  It’s a habit now after losing so many nice fish, I pull test each knot. I lost a lot of fish on my western trip because I had grown careless in how I tightened my double surgeon knots.   I follow this regime rigidly now: 1.  Form identical loops and equal length tags. 2.  Wet knot very well. 3.  Pull tight with tags and main line together. 4.  Ensure tightness by pulling down on the thin tag. 5.  Trim tags. 6.  NEVER tighten by pulling on the tippet and leader only.  It pinches the tippet a millimetre or so down from the knot.  Basically, the tippet gets extruded through the tightened knot.  The knot can be pull tested plus running the loop back and forth as a vertical upside-down "U" will expose any weak kink as it will fold at that point. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I went up to Waterville with Ed the other night. Nice report, Dave. Thanks for writing it up.

You’re welcome. heading out for the hex hatches shortly and I will report on that too… … I sat fumbling with a small caddis fly, unable to "stuff the loop" and finish the knot (I fear my vision is starting to show it’s age), … No use fighting the approach of geezerhood, you’re just moments away from Metamucil cocktails and liver spots. As far as "stuff the loop", does that mean you’re tying an improved clinch ? I used to use the improved clinch but read somewhere that unless you tie it exactly perfect it’s actually LESS strong than a regular clinch. Since then I’ve been using the regular clinch, with exactly 5 turns, and it’s worked out well.

metamucil??? GAK!!! ’tis no doubt regrettably true, sooner or later I will get there. Geezerhood, my I’ll be working my way up in the world. My 20/10 vision is finally burning out, no doubt from squinting at SQL statements trying to figure out how to join a couple of tables and not bury our database server…sigh…(he chants "I hate Oracle 8.1.6, I hate oracle…") guess I’m a bit old fashioned, but the improved clinch works ok for me, I usually break off at my blood knots if I break at all, but the old standard Maxima seems to be pretty damn good to me most of the time. Flyfish

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 I recently "discovered" the surgeons knot and took to  it because it is simple.  But I started to experience  knot failures, so I’ve returned to the version of the  blood knot in Sosin & Kreh’s book.  It’s more difficult  but it’s doable, even when you’re trying to tie one with  fish visible all around you.  It works for a broad range  of differences in lines, though you may have to increase  the number of turns.  One combination that does *not*  work well, tho it shouldn’t be an issue in fly fishing, is  Fireline to softer fluorocarbon lines such as the Stren.

Double up the Fireline using a Spider Hitch and use double uni-knots to joint it to comparable strength mono. Mu

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Hi Dave, Good to see you back! Went afishin’ with Lloyd Hielbrunn today.  He is a ROFFian up from Florida. Just what Boone, NC needs another Floridian!  Lloyd and I will hit the speed bumps of Upper Creek in the morning, in honor of Daytripper. Fishy report to follow tomorrow’s activities. Hasta Las Vegas Opie  –Settin’ up another sucker–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve Z. writes: The improved loop pretty much doubles the amount of time it takes me to tie the clinch knot (and recent events have convinced me to keep that time to a minimum , so I’d *love* to believe that it doesn’t help. But it sure seems to in my case. Of course, there might be other explanations for my hook-loss reduction–better casting means a healthier tippet, perhaps I "play" the fish better now, maybe the fact that I only catch small fish means no break-offs <g, etc etc. I hafta go along with Forty on this one.  I tie a clinch knot using a tool — at least 5 turns, sometimes 6 — and I seldom have a failure.  When I do have a failure it is with a knot that I tied quickly and didn’t test by pulling hard on it.  Always use spit to reduce the friction. Dave, back from another wonderful trip to Maine watching my grandsons catch big brookies…..

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Kiyu,    Or you could buy a Blood Knot Machine.  See http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241 . Ernie "Kiyu" wrote <snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few years ago at the Fly Fishermen site they posted an article from a reader about a simplified method of tying the blood knot. He tied the ends of the leader & tippet together with a simple overhand knot then made a loop keeping the overhand knot at the top. He then fed the tippet through the loop six times, holding the tippet & leader apart with his thumb & finger at the third pass. He fed the overhand knot down through the separated tippet & leader made at the third pass. He pulled it snug then snipped off the overhand knot. The only problem with this is the tag ends both go through the center of the knot from the same direction. The knot works well but I spent a lot of time trying to figure out a simple way to get the tag ends to feed through from opposite sides the way they are supposed to be. Thought about it ’til my head hurt but couldn’t improve it. Kiyu

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That IS weird. The weakest link for me is invariably the double surgeons between leader and tippet. It is possible to attach tippet with a blood/barrel knot astream, I saw a guide do just that with an elaborate sequence of hand over hand maneuvers and a deft twist of the wrist. If I could master that technique my leader to tippet connection would be quite a bit stronger, but what the hell, if you’re snagged the line has to break somewhere.

Ken, A few years ago at the Fly Fishermen site they posted an article from a reader about a simplified method of tying the blood knot. He tied the ends of the leader & tippet together with a simple overhand knot then made a loop keeping the overhand knot at the top. He then fed the tippet through the loop six times, holding the tippet & leader apart with his thumb & finger at the third pass. He fed the overhand knot down through the separated tippet & leader made at the third pass. He pulled it snug then snipped off the overhand knot. The only problem with this is the tag ends both go through the center of the knot from the same direction. The knot works well but I spent a lot of time trying to figure out a simple way to get the tag ends to feed through from opposite sides the way they are supposed to be. Thought about it ’til my head hurt but couldn’t improve it.   One good thing came out of it though. When I tie the surgeons knot I have a heck of a time keeping the knot together. I found that tying the ends together made it a lot easier to feed them through the loop and I can knock the knot out now a lot quicker. Kiyu

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Ken Fortenberry wrote…

[snip] When I brought the issue to ROFF I was told three things: (1) use exactly 5 turns (2) make sure to add the "improved loop" to the knot, and (3) lick the knot before tightening. I was nearly always using 5 turns anyway, but when I added that improved loop, my hook losses all but dissappeared. Sometimes I lick the knot and sometimes I don’t–that doesn’t seem to make an appreciable difference as long as I tighten slowly. [snip] –Steve

Of the 3 items I thing #3 is the most important. I use more than 5 turns for anthing over 5X and only use the improved chinch when tying large hooks on a very light leader. Paul

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Ken writes: That IS weird. The weakest link for me is invariably the double surgeons between leader and tippet.

amen! Like you say later, the blood knot is a pain to do on the fly astream. I see the same weak link in my fishing. Knots of any sort don’t fail often, but chessy double surgeon knots are my dominant culprits.                              Tom Littleton

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Steve Z. writes: The improved loop pretty much doubles the amount of time it takes me to tie the clinch knot (and recent events have convinced me to keep that time to a minimum , so I’d *love* to believe that it doesn’t help. But it sure seems to in my case. Of course, there might be other explanations for my hook-loss reduction–better casting means a healthier tippet, perhaps I "play" the fish better now, maybe the fact that I only catch small fish means no break-offs <g, etc etc.

I hafta go along with Forty on this one.  I tie a clinch knot using a tool — at least 5 turns, sometimes 6 — and I seldom have a failure.  When I do have a failure it is with a knot that I tied quickly and didn’t test by pulling hard on it.  Always use spit to reduce the friction. Dave, back from another wonderful trip to Maine watching my grandsons  catch big brookies…..

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… More than once in the last couple of weeks when I’ve gotten a snag and ended up having to break the line, the knot that has given out first has been the *leader perfection loop* of all things!

That IS weird. The weakest link for me is invariably the double surgeons between leader and tippet. It is possible to attach tippet with a blood/barrel knot astream, I saw a guide do just that with an elaborate sequence of hand over hand maneuvers and a deft twist of the wrist. If I could master that technique my leader to tippet connection would be quite a bit stronger, but what the hell, if you’re snagged the line has to break somewhere. — Ken Fortenberry

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Ken Fortenberry wrote… …does that mean you’re tying an improved clinch ? I used to use the improved clinch but read somewhere that unless you tie it exactly perfect it’s actually LESS strong than a regular clinch. Since then I’ve been using the regular clinch, with exactly 5 turns, and it’s worked out well.

Hmmm. Looks like I’ll have to do some impirical testing because that doesn’t jive with my experience. I used to lose lots of flies, right at the knot. When I brought the issue to ROFF I was told three things: (1) use exactly 5 turns (2) make sure to add the "improved loop" to the knot, and (3) lick the knot before tightening. I was nearly always using 5 turns anyway, but when I added that improved loop, my hook losses all but dissappeared. Sometimes I lick the knot and sometimes I don’t–that doesn’t seem to make an appreciable difference as long as I tighten slowly. The improved loop pretty much doubles the amount of time it takes me to tie the clinch knot (and recent events have convinced me to keep that time to a minimum , so I’d *love* to believe that it doesn’t help. But it sure seems to in my case. Of course, there might be other explanations for my hook-loss reduction–better casting means a healthier tippet, perhaps I "play" the fish better now, maybe the fact that I only catch small fish means no break-offs <g, etc etc. More than once in the last couple of weeks when I’ve gotten a snag and ended up having to break the line, the knot that has given out first has been the *leader perfection loop* of all things! Now I just tie a clincher there instead–and believe me when I tell you that it absolutely, positively does not hinge as I was lead to believe. –Steve

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I went up to Waterville with Ed the other night.

Nice report, Dave. Thanks for writing it up. … I sat fumbling with a small caddis fly, unable to "stuff the loop" and finish the knot (I fear my vision is starting to show it’s age), …

No use fighting the approach of geezerhood, you’re just moments away from Metamucil cocktails and liver spots. As far as "stuff the loop", does that mean you’re tying an improved clinch ? I used to use the improved clinch but read somewhere that unless you tie it exactly perfect it’s actually LESS strong than a regular clinch. Since then I’ve been using the regular clinch, with exactly 5 turns, and it’s worked out well. — Ken Fortenberry

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I went up to Waterville with Ed the other night. When we arrived there were stripers showing on the bar occasionally, some small bass and/or alewives popping here and there and a nice strong caddis hatch in progress. I chose my "new" bamboo, a nice ebay special, a circa 1952 Shakespeare 1305T bamboo. This particular rod came to me a couple of weeks ago and I instantly loved the feel of it. It had the feel that I always expected in a bamboo but never found on the yard sale specials I had come across. It’s 8 1/2′, has a nifty spring loaded unlocking reel seat and throws a DT5 floater and a 6WF sinker pretty nicely. I had only caught one small brookie on it so I didn’t feel the rod had been truly stress tested yet. Ed and I spent some time working some smaller risers on the left shore while we waited for dark. As dark came in we drifted down and over a bit and got in a good spot by a few risers. As fate would have it after a couple of risers had drifted past us I popped my fly off on a poor backcast. Ed was changing flies and it was getting fairly dark out. I sat fumbling with a small caddis fly, unable to "stuff the loop" and finish the knot (I fear my vision is starting to show it’s age), watching a fish rise close to the boat. Ed was in the back having similar problems aggravated by an uncooperative flashlight. I finally got the caddis on and started casting over the fish. Several casts and he moved a bit further out. I couldn’t see my fly on the water, I caught a glimpse of a rise, setup and hooked the fish. He ran a bit upstream, didn’t feel very large and suddenly drove hard upstream and deep. My rod got quite a bend going and I worked hard to get him on the reel. Once on the reel I got him in close by the boat and caught a flash of what looked like a good sized back when he decided to run again. I let the drag work him and he ran any number of times. Finally Ed got the net up and I began to try to pull the fish into the net. My poor little bamboo was bent and stress tested for certain. We netted the fish, took a quick measure (22") and a couple of pics then I put him back in the river and waited for the fish to revive. When the fish was ready he swam off. We guessed the fish was between 4-5lbs, very fat and heavy. In that current, I would be hard pressed to boat a fish that was much larger with that bamboo. I still love the feel of it. We fished until fairly late, working some large stuff over stripers feeding on the bar but didn’t catch another thing. The stripers seem to be loners, just cruising here and there, occasionally raising hell with something or other. Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more

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I think they are all wrong about too much oil. Based on past experience I would think that it is probably the muffler bearings. When they go they create excessive back pressure from the exhaust system and hince the smoke. It’s a pretty common problem. Seek professional help on this one.

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I think they are all wrong about too much oil. Based on past experience I would think that it is probably the muffler bearings. When they go they create excessive back pressure from the exhaust system and hince the smoke. It’s a pretty common problem. Seek professional help on this one.

Good thought, but with newer models (since 1985), the automatic framistat compensates for the back pressure. Joe F.

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I think they are all wrong about too much oil. Based on past experience I would think that it is probably the muffler bearings. When they go they create excessive back pressure from the exhaust system and hince the smoke. It’s a pretty common problem. Seek professional help on this one. Good thought, but with newer models (since 1985), the automatic framistat compensates for the back pressure.

True, but hardly worth noting in light of the fact that the muffler bearings can simply be repacked with about 12 feet of shoreline which, obviously, makes the framistat not only superfluous but also a positive hindrance as its mere presence interferes with the balance of the idler hozzy wozzy.  Excessive engineering at its best!

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True, but hardly worth noting in light of the fact that the muffler bearings can simply be repacked with about 12 feet of shoreline

C’mon guys, quit messing with him. Everyone knows muffler bearings are easy to replace. He should be able to get a set at any marina and I’d expect even Pep Boys carries them. — Charlie…

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True, but hardly worth noting in light of the fact that the muffler bearings can simply be repacked with about 12 feet of shoreline which, obviously, makes the framistat not only superfluous but also a positive hindrance as its mere presence interferes with the balance of the idler hozzy wozzy.  Excessive engineering at its best!

That’s exactly why OMC abandoned the idler hozzy wozzy in 1992.   I think Mercury kept the idler design, but replaced the framistat manifold with a gunkulator assembly.   I never owned one, so I’m not sure about that. Joe F.

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True, but hardly worth noting in light of the fact that the muffler bearings can simply be repacked with about 12 feet of shoreline C’mon guys, quit messing with him. Everyone knows muffler bearings are easy to replace. He should be able to get a set at any marina and I’d expect even Pep Boys carries them.

Yeah, but you gotta have metric crescent wrench to get at ‘em. Joe F.

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C’mon guys, quit messing with him. Everyone knows muffler bearings are easy to replace. Yeah, but you gotta have metric crescent wrench to get at ‘em.

A metric LEFT-HANDED monkey wrench and an ACME skyhook if I recall my "small engine manual for flyfishermen" correctly. — Ken Fortenberry

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That’s exactly why OMC abandoned the idler hozzy wozzy in 1992.   I think Mercury kept the idler design, but replaced the framistat manifold with a gunkulator assembly.   I never owned one, so I’m not sure about that. Joe F.

That gunkulator is a piece of crap, give me a hozzy and a framistat any day. BTW, if you don’t have time or money to redo the muffler bearings, you can get by for a couple months by pouring a bunch of STP into the blinker fluid, or switching to a higher viscosity prequambulator lube.  Don’t wait too long though, or your hozzy wozzy nozzle will plug up. Don’t listen to Charlie, he’s obviously no boat mechanic. — Levi "There are no facts, only interpretations." -Friedrich Nietzsche

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s exactly why OMC abandoned the idler hozzy wozzy in 1992.   I think Mercury kept the idler design, but replaced the framistat manifold with a gunkulator assembly.   I never owned one, so I’m not sure about that. Joe F. That gunkulator is a piece of crap, give me a hozzy and a framistat any day. BTW, if you don’t have time or money to redo the muffler bearings, you can get by for a couple months by pouring a bunch of STP into the blinker fluid, or switching to a higher viscosity prequambulator lube.  Don’t wait too long though, or your hozzy wozzy nozzle will plug up.

Ya got that right.    Once your hozzy wozzy nozzle plugs up, your lower unit is shot to hell. Joe F.

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Don’t listen to Charlie, he’s obviously no boat mechanic.

I used to be a quantum mechanic, though – although someone said they make cars by that name nowadays and I *don’t* work on cars<g. — Charlie…

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Youse guys are really cruel.  I guy writes in to a fly fishing ng about problems with exhaust bearings on his outboard motor, and you make fun of him and his problem.  For shame, for shame.  It almost makes me want to go to alt.fishing.timbo….. Dave LaCourse

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Sure, every one carries them, but you need a left handed frankinjerk to get the old ones out and they are hard to find. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – True, but hardly worth noting in light of the fact that the muffler bearings can simply be repacked with about 12 feet of shoreline C’mon guys, quit messing with him. Everyone knows muffler bearings are easy to replace. He should be able to get a set at any marina and I’d expect even Pep Boys carries them. — Charlie…

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"Gunkulator" ?   Sounds dangerously familiar somehow ? TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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A Siemens lufthaken is necessary for holding the foo-foo valve in the correct position while carrying out adjustments.  This is difficult when one is all at sea. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Don’t listen to Charlie, he’s obviously no boat mechanic. I used to be a quantum mechanic, though – although someone said they make cars by that name nowadays and I *don’t* work on cars<g. — Charlie…

I guess a quantum mechanic would advise changing oil every 300 billion light years? — Levi "There are no facts, only interpretations." -Friedrich Nietzsche

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That gunkulator is a piece of crap, give me a hozzy and a framistat any day. BTW, if you don’t have time or money to redo the muffler bearings, you can get by for a couple months by pouring a bunch of STP into the blinker fluid, or switching to a higher viscosity prequambulator lube.  Don’t wait too long though, or your hozzy wozzy nozzle will plug up.

All of this is good info, but after doing some research and asking a small engine mechanic who is a friend of mine, we both came to the conclusion that the flux capacitor also might be the problem.  It would definitely make the plugs foul quicker since they aren’t receiving enough juice and would account for the unburnt fuel/oil you are seeing. I would suggest checking into all of the possibilities.  If it is the flux capacitor, you might as well replace the muffler bearings and such at the same time.  You are basically going to have to tear the engine apart to get at the capacitor anyways. HTH. Warren X#-[

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Hey, Vern, you should be able to help this guy. You probably know some small engine mechanics. -- visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Hey, Vern, you should be able to help this guy. You probably know some small engine mechanics.

        i'm pleased to observe that a little time in the pacific didn't rust the old needle, rw.  hilarious. wayno

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Fly fishing NG???  Amount of smoking is relative term.  All 2 cycles smoke. Did you mix the proper ratio of oil to gas for that engine, probably 50 to 1. Pull the plug and look at it. If the oil mixture was right and the plug is sooty black and wet, the engine is probably low on compression. Perfectly usable but don't leave shore without spare plugs to put in when it fouls. jim

- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - I am new to boating. I have an old Outboard Marine 7.5hp two cycle engine. I was having a tough time starting it and keeping it going. I changed the spark plugs and it started up and seems to be running great. The only problem seems to be excessive blue smoke coming from the exhaust. Could this be a result of two much oil in the gas ? Are there other things I should check out ? Thanks in advance for your help.

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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Try cutting back on the oil.                                    [Image]                                    [Image]                                   [Image]                                 Drive Me There Try to learn a little something about the forum before you come barging in with a bunch of bullshit. It’s called netiquette and you’re in dire need of it. — Ken Fortenberry

no kidding, i’ve never had any other post here try to send me cookies and all the java error messages…. 64 galaxie will not be read by me again. chris

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Try cutting back on the oil.

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Try cutting back on the oil.

Try posting with just text instead of all the webtv html junk. — Charlie…

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Try cutting back on the oil.                                    [Image]                                    [Image]                                   [Image]                                 Drive Me There

Try to learn a little something about the forum before you come barging in with a bunch of bullshit. It’s called netiquette and you’re in dire need of it. — Ken Fortenberry

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I am new to boating. I have an old Outboard Marine 7.5hp two cycle engine. I was having a tough time starting it and keeping it going. I changed the spark plugs and it started up and seems to be running great. The only problem seems to be excessive blue smoke coming from the exhaust. Could this be a result of two much oil in the gas ? Are there other things I should check out ? Thanks in advance for your help.

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I am new to boating.

        well, that makes you and this newsgroup about even.  I have an old Outboard Marine 7.5hp two cycle engine. I was having a tough time starting it and keeping it going. I changed the spark plugs and it started up and seems to be running great. The only problem seems to be excessive blue smoke coming from the exhaust. Could this be a result of two much oil in the gas ?

        more likely it’s a result of three two much oil in the gas.  Are there other things I should check out ?

        your clue bag.  i think it’s empty. Thanks in advance for your help.

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SSSHHHHHHH  Why tel anyone SSSSHHHHHHHHHHH. Nobody knows but us…

DSR is a big place on a bigger river.   I think our secret is safe. Apparently only about a hundred thousand guys know it, judging by last weekend’s crowd outside DSR. And don’t get me started on the cultural differences between the few fly fishers there and the lead-chucking majority. Joe F.

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(photos to follow, including one in my roff shirt)

Okey dokey, if you’re interested, the photos are up at alt.binaries.pictures.fishing.   The subject headings are just variations of my screen name: rb608-1, rb608-2, and rb608-3.   The roff shirt is in -1, but it’s unfortunately less than obvious.   -3 is a big salmon with the rod, and -2 is the standard guy-with-a-fish photo. Joe F.

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Hello : I’ve seen people on fishing shows on TV using these cradles for landing muskie and pike, keeping the fish in the water while removing the lure, and then letting the fish swim out on its own.  It’s a great idea but searching in local outdoors stores, no ones’s ever heard of them. Does anyone know where I can buy one of these things ? Best Fishes …  Shawn.

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Hello : I’ve seen people on fishing shows on TV using these cradles for landing muskie and pike, keeping the fish in the water while removing the lure, and then letting the fish swim out on its own.  It’s a great idea but searching in local outdoors stores, no ones’s ever heard of them. Does anyone know where I can buy one of these things ? Best Fishes …  Shawn.

Shawn, Yeah…I’ve seen these on the idiot box as well…have yet to spot one in the stores….seems to me that you could make one easy enough with some strong, soft, porous fabric (cheesecloth maybe??), a couple shovel handles from the hardware store and a staple gun. I just hate to spend on something I can build myself…like those little foam tubes that are "Wader Savers"…you know…the foam you slip the crotch strap of your float tube through…suppose to be easy on the waders…they sell those nicely packaged for $4.95…you can get that from the hardware store for less than a buck I’ll bet…looks like pipe insulation to me…. But hey, that’s me…lookin’ for bargins…. — John Carney          Fly Fisher & Parrot Head (NO-SPAM in address to avoid spamming)

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Of all the streams I fish in the great upper peninsula of michigan, the trout only seem to bite spinners and worms. I truly enjoy flyfishing rivers over spincasting, and was wondering if anyone fishes the u.p. with flyrods that can give me some tips. Thanks- Muskie

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I haven’t fished the U.P. (I have a buddy from near Houghton who threatens to take me, but that is another story).  Anyway, I can sympathize.  I grew up fishing in N.E. Minnesota (on the other side of Lake Superior) and found the same problems.  Most of the streams were small and choked with cedars, spuce, or alders.  The only spots open enough to fly fish seemed devoid of cover, and of course were devoid of fish. But keep searching..you will soon find that spot with both cover (shade) and casting room.  Try larger streams and look for boulders and plunge pools below rapids and falls.  Searching is all the fun.  Who other that a trout fisherman would spend hours slugging through brush, mud, and mosquitoes for hours to catch a 7-inch trophy. Tight Lines – Zeke

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Dear Muskie: When you refer to the U.P., you are talking about God’s country, which was also shared by the great Robert Traver.  I have spent a great deal of my youth and later years fishing the streams in the Central U.P..  The fly fishing is fine, and some of the best to be found anywhere. Streamers work especially well.  Try a Royal Coachmen, Muddler, or Black Ghost for good results.  The tried and true G.R. Hares Ear Nymph is a favorite, as well as a good selection of Bead Heads, and Zud Bugs.  No one should also venture out without a supply of Adams dry flies ranging in sizes from #12 to #20, also for a pattern to explore with, try a Betty (also called a Coachmen Trude).  The March Brown hatch can be spectacular, and takes place around the end of June through the first part of July, so carry some March Brown patterns. Just returned from two weeks in the U.P., and while the weather was not always spectacular, the fishing was good. Good Luck, Jim J.

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Does anyone know where I can find the following rodbuilding book? A Master’s Guide to Building a Bamboo Fly Rod Hoagy B. Carmichael 1977 Marth’s Glen Publishing Co., Katanah, NY 10536 Thanks very much for any help in this regard. BTW, the flyfishing is great this year in Wyoming. Big Horn area especially. Please email me if you know where I can find the book.

I got my reprinted copy from Centennial Pulications in Grand Junction Co. They have a web site "http://www.gorp.com/cl_angle/flyfish/main.htm" or smail is:    256 Nashua Court    Grand Junction, CO 81503 Good Luck, Rick

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        The latest printing and the first printing are both sold out. However, a third edition is supposed to come out late this year or early next year. Higher price though. Try Angler’s Art at 800-848-1020.

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orig snipped<< I got my reprinted copy from Centennial Pulications in Grand Junction Co. They have a web site "http://www.gorp.com/cl_angle/flyfish/main.htm" or smail is: Good Luck, Rick

Well Rick, moving on your advice I stopped by the site you published and was impressed, looks really great. I am also interested in this book and some other ones also, Being a poor dude, I ain’t in the credit card-fed-ex-next-day-instant-gratification< catagory, so I e-mailed title and one other by money order. As the publication is a limited printing and not due out untill sept, (gee I guess thats today) I really wanted to get my order in now, not to mention the times that I have about a hundered and a half bucks to spend on books being pretty rare. I hate to jump to this conclusion, but after a few days, I have a hard time not doing it, as I usually return e-mail with in a few hours, a day at the most. It seems that the color of my money is not good enough for Mr. Bamboo and I am just a little pissed (that’s mad in american for all you Brits) that not only is this title apparently sold out before it was offered, but he has yet to dignify my request for a M.O. purchase. There are shop keeps out there, they too need to earn a living, and by and large that is where I preferr to spend my hard earned wages. I’d like to think that Mr. Bamboo is not the type to read his email and think "Ah, here’s a little punk who thinks he wants to buy my wares, but he’s not going to creditcard his way straight into my purse, so to hell with him".   But thats what it looks like from here. I wish bamboo much success in his on-line venture, I really do. But it doesn’t look like he’ll get my money, But then again, it looks like he doesn’t want it either.

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I HAVE COMMITED AN INJUSTICE HERE orig snipped<< I got my reprinted copy from Centennial Pulications in Grand Junction Co. They have a web site "http://www.gorp.com/cl_angle/flyfish/main.htm" or

My response Well Rick, moving on your advice I stopped by the site you published and was impressed, looks really great. snip< There are shop keeps out there, they too need to earn a living, and by and large that is where I preferr to spend my hard earned wages. I’d like to think that Mr. Bamboo is not the type to read his email and think "Ah, here’s a little punk who thinks he wants to buy my wares, but he’s not going to creditcard his way straight into my purse, so to hell with him".

I should learn to keep my mouth shut, Mr. Bamboo DID respond, after a few days, and took care of me pretty nicely, a lot more nicely than I did him.   I am ashamed, this seems life a very fine outfit, i really wished I’da kept my mouth shut. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I wish bamboo much success in his on-line venture, I really do. But it doesn’t look like he’ll get my money, But then again, it looks like he doesn’t want it either.

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Does anyone know where I can find the following rodbuilding book? A Master’s Guide to Building a Bamboo Fly Rod Hoagy B. Carmichael 1977 Marth’s Glen Publishing Co., Katanah, NY 10536 Thanks very much for any help in this regard. BTW, the flyfishing is great this year in Wyoming. Big Horn area especially. Please email me if you know where I can find the book.

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I’m taking a Troop of Boy Scouts to Canada this July. To preserve my sanity I’m taking my fly rig. Anybody got some hot tips on the best flys and equipment to use? also if you have any info on what the boys should spin fish with we would appreciate it.  Thanks norm

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I’m taking a Troop of Boy Scouts to Canada this July. To preserve my sanity I’m taking my fly rig. Anybody got some hot tips on the best flys and equipment to use? also if you have any info on what the boys should spin fish with we would appreciate it.  Thanks norm

 In case no one told you, Canada is a little bit bigger than the U.S.A and spans the continient from Nova Scotia on the Atlantic to British Columbia on the Pacific ;^) But seriously, there is lots of great fly fishing all across the country.  I live in British Columbia and use minnow imitations for sea run cutthroat trout in coastal waters,  colourful flys for summer steel head in coastal streams, and traditional insect patterns for lakes and streams in the interior of the Province.

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 In case no one told you, Canada is a little bit bigger than the U.S.A and spans the continient from Nova Scotia on the Atlantic to British Columbia on the Pacific ;^)

Jeez …. I thought since ‘49 it started at Newfoundland on the east coast. I hope the NF and Labrador outfitters don’t read your posting!

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 In case no one told you, Canada is a little bit bigger than the U.S.A and spans the continient from Nova Scotia on the Atlantic to British Columbia on the Pacific ;^) Jeez …. I thought since ‘49 it started at Newfoundland on the east coast. I hope the NF and Labrador outfitters don’t read your posting!

O.K. your right,  I was off by about 350 miles!  Still a really huge country. But while were on the subject of Newfoundland – do you know why the Newfy was happy to hear that Quebec was leaving Canada……because the drive to Toronto would be so much closer!

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I’m taking a Troop of Boy Scouts to Canada this July. To preserve my sanity I’m taking my fly rig. Anybody got some hot tips on the best flys and equipment to use? also if you have any info on what the boys should spin fish with we would appreciate it.  Thanks norm

Hi, Canada is a BIG country, your choice of flies and gear will depend on where you are going. If you are interested in Novca SAcotia, I can help you out and would be more than pleased to do something with you even. Our specialty is teaching flyfishing to youngsters (16 years experience and nationally certified coaching level one). If you are interested in NS, drop me a line, even if you are coming here and don’t want them to flyfish, I think I could probably still help you out ! Tight Lines !00 Little Harbour Road, Lockeport Nova Scotia Canada  B0T 1L0 ph/fax 902-656-3329

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Never was too good a Geography, even in the good ole USA. I should have said that I was going to the Boundary Waters above Minn. Maybe I’ll come out and try the minnows pattern like you suggest. Any tips a little further east of BC? Norm

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:  In case no one told you, Canada is a little bit bigger than the U.S.A and spans the continient from : Nova Scotia on the Atlantic to British Columbia on the Pacific ;^) : Jeez …. : I thought since ‘49 it started at Newfoundland on the east coast. : I hope the NF and Labrador outfitters don’t read your posting! Thanks Don. Sorry I couldn’t make your conference. Still hoping to wangle a means of getting over to fish the Miramichi and maybe even talk about multimedia Jack  – Newfoundland and Labrador Science  and Technology Advisory Council                Tel     (709) 738-3400 114 Empire Ave., St. John’s, NF    A1B 1C7      Fax     (709) 738-3276

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m taking a Troop of Boy Scouts to Canada this July. To preserve my sanity I’m taking my fly rig. Anybody got some hot tips on the best flys and equipment to use? also if you have any info on what the boys should spin fish with we would appreciate it.  Thanks norm In case no one told you, Canada is a little bit bigger than the U.S.A and spans the continient from Nova Scotia on the Atlantic to British Columbia on the Pacific ;^) But seriously, there is lots of great fly fishing all across the country.  I live in British Columbia and use minnow imitations for sea run cutthroat trout in coastal waters,  colourful flys for summer steel head in coastal streams, and traditional insect patterns for lakes and streams in the interior of the Province.

Just to clarify: Canada Spans from Newfoundland to British Columbia, Not Nova Scotia to British Columbia,  There are about 500000 Newfoundlanders who don’t like being forgotten. Thanks Chris Newfoundland, Canada

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