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"the jettys can be a blast. I did catch a striper and 2 blues on deceivers this fall (so far) on a nearby jetty ." of course, this was a jetty nearby my home … I live in Monmouth County which is the the northern end of the Jersey coast. Avalon is down at the southern end. Rob — so much fishing, so little time — –please remuv the ‘NOWAY2it’ from my email addy to email me–

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Rob, Thanks for the info.  I think I’ll bring my 10×10 and my decievers and sea-bait flies and see if the stripers or blues are around down south.   Should I bring my waders?  My guess is yes. Thanks Chas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "the jettys can be a blast. I did catch a striper and 2 blues on deceivers this fall (so far) on a nearby jetty ." of course, this was a jetty nearby my home … I live in Monmouth County which is the the northern end of the Jersey coast. Avalon is down at the southern end. Rob — so much fishing, so little time — –please remuv the ‘NOWAY2it’ from my email addy to email me–

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Chas, If you can fit them, I would bring waders.  The jetties in NJ are 2 types: rough rock jetties and "finished" jetties, ie. filled in with a lot of concrete. I’m not sure about the Avalon jetty having never been there, but as you might suspect another aspect of fishing the salt is wading out on bars to get at better parts of the channel, better casts due to wind, better drifts due to tides etc. Another point on jetties: if you saw my post about jetty jumping earlier, I would *definitely* recommend having korkers or studded boots for jetties.  Even if it’s a "finished" jetty, if you actually have to land a fish, it will require you climbing down the rocks.  Water temps will be in the 50’s by then, which is perfect. Up until this week, they were in the low 60’s. On bait fish, we have peanut bunker, spearing, bay anchovies all hanging around now, so a variety of deceivers and clousers  should be the ticket. Hope you do well, Rob — so much fishing, so little time — –please remuv the ‘NOWAY2it’ from my email addy to email me–

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I will be in Avalon NJ for a wedding November 9th.  We arrive the 7th and leave on the 11th.  We’ll be staying at a friend’s house on the beach.  I’m wondering if I should be bringing any tackle for fishing either from the beach, or in some inland waterway that’s nearby.  I’d probably not get more than a day’s fishing in, more likely a couple hours. What might I find, and should I be trying. Thanks Chas

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Chas, I’m not too up on Avalon specifically, but in general this is prime time for surf fishing in NJ. According to Jim Freda in Fishing the NJ coast,  if you drive to the north point of Avalon you’ll come to Townsends Inlet. You can fish the eighth street jetty and 2 smaller groins (jettys).  Apparently there is a sand bar that forms from this point out into the inlet and you can work the various structures, either the jettys or from the bar into the adjacent channel. When fish are around (which they should be), working the jettys can be a blast. I did catch a striper and 2 blues on deceivers this fall (so far) on a nearby jetty . Prime target for this time of year are stripers, and there may be some slammer blues around as well.  Many live line eels for the stripers, but if you go onto stripersurf.com or njstriper.com (or even reel-time.com) you may be able to get some specifics on flyfishing the area.  Both sites have a flyfishing message board. Of course, if you ask at local tackle shops, you may find that Tautog (blackfish) are around. These are fished strictly with bait, specifically green crabs, and are little bulldogs when caught.  It’s tough fishing for them as they’re always around structure, have very hard teeth with which they can suck a crab off a hook in a split second, but are very good eating…14" minimum size Enjoy, Rob — so much fishing, so little time — –please remuv the ‘NOWAY2it’ from my email addy to email me–

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Have the white flies started to hatch on the upper Potomac yet?

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Yes.  Best time is after seven p.m.  I’ve been using a "green weenie" pattern, but using white chenille vice chartreuse. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Yes.  Best time is after seven p.m.  I’ve been using a "green weenie" pattern, but using white chenille vice chartreuse. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

Frank, it strikes me that Doc Saylor might be somebody you ought to hook up with (no pun intended) Given your propensity to do face plants and other wild gyrations while fishing, you need to make him your fishin’ buddy. Just tryin’ to keep you alive and his business flourishing. Frank Sr. who is due for two more cortisone shots in the heels. YIKES!!!

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Frank, it strikes me that Doc Saylor might be somebody you ought to hook up with (no pun intended) Given your propensity to do face plants and other wild gyrations while fishing, you need to make him your fishin’ buddy. Just tryin’ to keep you alive and his business flourishing. Frank Sr. who is due for two more cortisone shots in the heels. YIKES!!!

Actually, looking for the Air Force Pararescue type. Need someone who can scale a cliff or a fish, shoot an attacking grizzly or a class V rapid to drag my ass out, repair a float tube or repair to the extraction point.  Must be qualified in white water, avalanche, and deep submersible rescue.  Should be world renown fly tyer and brewer. Now thats a fishing buddy.                  Frank (Just had cortisone next to my spine)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frank, it strikes me that Doc Saylor might be somebody you ought to hook up with (no pun intended) Given your propensity to do face plants and other wild gyrations while fishing, you need to make him your fishin’ buddy. Just tryin’ to keep you alive and his business flourishing. Frank Sr. who is due for two more cortisone shots in the heels. YIKES!!! Actually, looking for the Air Force Pararescue type. Need someone who can scale a cliff or a fish, shoot an attacking grizzly or a class V rapid to drag my ass out, repair a float tube or repair to the extraction point.  Must be qualified in white water, avalanche, and deep submersible rescue.  Should be world renown fly tyer and brewer. Now thats a fishing buddy.

You need a dog. — TL, Tim (well, not for the fly tying and brewing but, hey, nobody’s perfect.)

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You need a dog. — TL, Tim

Well, I have a dog.  I shall refer to him as "blond dog."  He is a master brewer, as a matter of fact, his output rivals Budweiser in quantity and quality.  He is afraid of bugs, terrified of the treadmill (well, thats not a bad thing), feet moving under a blanket on the bed will send him into a barking fit for two hours, often forgets to put his feet back down when jumping off of a step, gets beaten up by the cat, has more psychosis than ROFF (you must pretend that you are trying to eat his food or he will go 4-5 days without eating), his daddy was a long-haired miniture dachshund and mommy was a maltese.  So he is either a dachtese or a malhund.  I don’t need another. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Well, I was in the Navy so I could probably call in an aircraft carrier to save you on occasion.  I’m also due to brew my sixth batch of pale ale or porter soon. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You need a dog. — TL, Tim Well, I have a dog.  I shall refer to him as "blond dog."  He is a master brewer, as a matter of fact, his output rivals Budweiser in quantity and quality.  He is afraid of bugs, terrified of the treadmill (well, thats not a bad thing), feet moving under a blanket on the bed will send him into a barking fit for two hours, often forgets to put his feet back down when jumping off of a step, gets beaten up by the cat, has more psychosis than ROFF (you must pretend that you are trying to eat his food or he will go 4-5 days without eating), his daddy was a long-haired miniture dachshund and mommy was a maltese.  So he is either a dachtese or a malhund.  I don’t need another. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Okay, think we gotta hook up.  I do know of a couple of good spots within ten miles of Harpers Ferry.  My daughter is coming back this weekend after a month away so will stay home, but mayhaps next?  I’ll even leave off the squiddly jokes. — Frank Reid (USAF Retired) Reverse email to reply.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You need a dog. — TL, Tim Well, I have a dog.  I shall refer to him as "blond dog."  He is a master brewer, as a matter of fact, his output rivals Budweiser in quantity and quality.  He is afraid of bugs, terrified of the treadmill (well, thats not a bad thing), feet moving under a blanket on the bed will send him into a barking fit for two hours, often forgets to put his feet back down when jumping off of a step, gets beaten up by the cat, has more psychosis than ROFF (you must pretend that you are trying to eat his food or he will go 4-5 days without eating), his daddy was a long-haired miniture dachshund and mommy was a maltese.  So he is either a dachtese or a malhund.  I don’t need another.

Thanks.  Best laugh I’ve had in a week.  Nice to know someone has at least one pet crazier than most I’ve had. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Good Morning to all,     I have been lerking in this room for about a month now. I really enjoy the information passed and the whit that is flung around the room. I decided to finally make myself known so that I may contribute (what little I do know)if the need arises.     I have been fishing for most of my life, but did not get into fly fishing until about 3 or 4 years ago. I tie, but not too well. Practice makes perfect though. Retired from the military and trying to make my way in the civilian sector. So far, so good. Maryland resident working with frank reid. He told me about this group. Thanks Frank!     Anyways, I look forward to reading more. Dan Mattice Sr.

If you REALLY want to see a bunch of fly fishing junkies, go on over to ROFF  (rec.outdoors.fishing.fly)   — A question is better debated and left unanswered than a question that is answered without debate. -Unknown

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Dan,    Just saw this and welcome to the group.  Flytying is a wonderful diversion for those who like to experience a wider range of fly fishing activity.  Now, get back to work.  ;-)           Frank

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Good Morning to all,      I have been lerking in this room for about a month now. I really enjoy the information passed and the whit that is flung around the room. I decided to finally make myself known so that I may contribute (what little I do know)if the need arises.      I have been fishing for most of my life, but did not get into fly fishing until about 3 or 4 years ago. I tie, but not too well. Practice makes perfect though. Retired from the military and trying to make my way in the civilian sector. So far, so good. Maryland resident working with frank reid. He told me about this group. Thanks Frank!      Anyways, I look forward to reading more. Dan Mattice Sr.

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hello all- i am going on a vacation to the oregon cascades in a couple of weeks and i am looking for any suggestions on where to fish for trout. i will be taking my uncle and cousin- both beginners. we already plan to spend at least one day on crane prairie- anywhere else come to mind, say within 50 miles or so? thanks a million, greg

Greg, Anywhere on Century Drive late August should be fantastic! I love Hosmer, Sparks and the Sheeps Bridge area on the Deschutes Arm of Wickiup. The Browns start to move up into the Deschutes preparing to spawn and early morning and evening fishing can be incredible. I once saw a gentleman from Bend fishing the oxbow bend below the guard station accross from Twin Lakes release a ten pound brown with the comment that "you can only keep two fish and you want them to be good ones".(actually, they all should be released!)I was afraid to let my setter in the water there because of the size of the fish rolling everywhere. You should have Brooks at Sparks, Brooks and Atlantics at Hosmer, Kocs and Rainbow at Craine Prairie, and Browns in Wickiup all easily within your 50 mile radius. The area is Magic!!!!! Enjoy. Tight Lines  Jean

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hello all- i am going on a vacation to the oregon cascades in a couple of weeks and i am looking for any suggestions on where to fish for trout. i will be taking my uncle and cousin- both beginners. we already plan to spend at least one day on crane prairie- anywhere else come to mind, say within 50 miles or so? thanks a million, greg

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hello all- i am going on a vacation to the oregon cascades in a couple of weeks and i am looking for any suggestions on where to fish for trout. i will be taking my uncle and cousin- both beginners. we already plan to spend at least one day on crane prairie- anywhere else come to mind, say within 50 miles or so? thanks a million, greg

Below are from my own personal experiences over about 15 years.   Others may well have different opinions. Wickiup Reservoir: kokanee during the day, BIG browns in evening.  (Look at pictures at Twin Lakes Store on the way in.)  Get on the lake early and expect high winds to blow you off between 11:00am and 1:00pm.  Usually calm down about sundown. Lava Lake: lots of trout; brookies and rainbows. Hosmer Lake (fly fishing only): large brook trout, catch and release Atlantic Salmon. Upper Deschutes River (between Lava and Crane Prairie): brookies and rainbows. Upper Deschutes River (between Wickiup and Pringle Falls): rainbows and browns; take dirt road between Pringle Falls and Wickiup and fish from shore, or find a place to launch boat, somewhere.  (I float tube it – 2 1/2 hour drift). Paulina Lake and East Lake (both in Newberry Crater – make a side trip to the observation point for the view and information about the crater, well worth it). Paulina: large browns in very early morning, kokanee later – usually very clear water and beautiful setting; East Lake: mostly for large rainbow and browns, high mercury content in water (natural, not man made), so read warnings. Davis Lake (fly fishing only): large rainbows. Cultus Lake: Huge Lake Trout, but hard to catch, and many water skiers. Cultus River looks likely, but the water is full of natural sulfer and there are no fish in it. As a general rule, forget: Elk Lake, Twin Lakes, Fall River, Little Lava Lake, unless you are with someone who is experienced with them. Good luck. — Max Max Whittington Investigations Beaverton (Portland), Oregon http://www.inetarena.com/~mwi

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Davis Lake (fly fishing only): large rainbows. Cultus Lake: Huge Lake Trout, but hard to catch, and many water skiers. Cultus River looks likely, but the water is full of natural sulfer and there are no fish in it. As a general rule, forget: Elk Lake, Twin Lakes, Fall River, Little Lava Lake, unless you are with someone who is experienced with them. Good luck. — Max Max Whittington Investigations Beaverton (Portland), Oregon http://www.inetarena.com/~mwi

Also, try getting a map and if you don’t mind a few miles of washboard dirt road try Little Cultus lake.  The fish aren’t big but they’re plentiful and pretty easy to catch ; ) rn

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jFirst off 1 day a Crane will not do it or yourself justice. I would plan for at least 2 or 3 days unless you are really pressed for time. Big Lava Lake is near there and is another excellent trout lake. Give it a try too. hello all- i am going on a vacation to the oregon cascades in a couple of weeks and i am looking for any suggestions on where to fish for trout. i will be taking my uncle and cousin- both beginners. we already plan to spend at least one day on crane prairie- anywhere else come to mind, say within 50 miles or so? thanks a million, greg

– No mans property is safe when congress is in session…

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What’s your favorite all-purpose fly line and why? So far mine is a SA Steelhead 8 wt.

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What’s your favorite all-purpose fly line and why? So far mine is a SA Steelhead 8 wt.

Mine is a Scientific Anglers Deep Water Express Shooting Head. Not a pleasant to cast, but it gets to the fish. Always have to go deep! Of course I’m on the West Coast. *peace* -Robert

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What’s your favorite all-purpose fly line and why? So far mine is a SA Steelhead 8 wt.

Mine is the Scientific Anglers weight forward Ultra 3.  I have it in floating Sinshine Yellow, and sink tip in Buckskin.  Both are supple, but have a polished slippery coating.  They cast far! JB

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What’s your favorite all-purpose fly line and why? So far mine is a SA Steelhead 8 wt. Mine is a Scientific Anglers Deep Water Express Shooting Head. Not a pleasant to cast, but it gets to the fish. Always have to go deep! Of course I’m on the West Coast.

My favorite in any wieght is the Wulff Triangle Taper Fly Lines.  These lines don’t last as many seasons as some others on the market but they are extremely supple, cast like a shooting head and best of all make roll casting in tight quarters a breeze. Good Fishing C. Segina

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Cortland 444 dt 5-6-7 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s your favorite all-purpose fly line and why? So far mine is a SA Steelhead 8 wt.

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C’mon you people, admit it, let share some carp on the fly stories.  These stalwart fighters have been much maligned over the decades regarding their worth as a worthy adversary. I know some of you have forsaken the Trout for the coarseness of what’s still considered in Europe as a noble Fish. The Carp.  Philosophical retorts as well as pragmatic advice on how to catch the suckers is welcome.   (Have tried steelhead type egg flies with little success for starters).

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C’mon you people, admit it, let share some carp on the fly stories.

These stalwart fighters have been much maligned over the decades regarding their worth as a worthy adversary. I know some of you have forsaken the Trout for the coarseness of what’s still considered in Europe as a noble Fish. The Carp.  Philosophical retorts as well as pragmatic advice on how to catch the suckers is welcome.   (Have tried steelhead type egg flies with little success for starters). Danezen,  A friend and I caught a number of carp of 3 to 5 pounds on #14 GRHE in clear quiet water.  Fished the fly with a slow finger winding retrieve.  They make a lot of noise splashing as the hook is set and the first 3 minutes are a good fight…. then it is a down and dogged pull without much character to it until you bring them to net… Seem to lack the stamina of a salmonid. Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va        *the trout teach many, lessons*

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I know some of you have forsaken the Trout for the coarseness of what’s still considered in Europe as a noble Fish. The Carp.  Philosophical retorts as well as pragmatic advice on how to catch the suckers is welcome.  

In the absence of other fish, Carp is King. In the presence of other fish, carp is an abomination.

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I have had some success using maribu jigs with hackle bodys, fished off docks and presented like you would to a trout. them buggers can be alfull picky. lots of fun on 2 pound line. The guy crappie fishing next to me about had a heart attack when I landed a 6 pounder on 2 pound line. bright colors seem to help. crashawk

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A number of years ago, I was fishing 11 Mile Reservoir for Pike. I was casting a large black Bunny Fly that had been very successful for me netting me a number of Pike up to twenty pounds. I was fishing a wind swept shoreline from a belly boat & was casting into the roiled water near the bank, retrieving the fly back into the clear. The Pike I had been catching were sitting right at the edge of this line. I made a cast very near the shore & thought that I had snagged. Then all hell broke loose. Following a huge swurl, the fish took off like a freight train running toward the middle of the lake. With an eight weight & a heavy leader, I was unable to slow the fish. When I reached my backing, I turned around, held my rod above my head, & kicked as hard as I could to keep the fish from taking all the line. I followed the fish as well as I could, without being able to gain any line. Finally just when the spool was nearly empty, it stopped. I regained some line by getting right over the fish. Then the work began. For what seemed to be a half hour, I followed the fish, got towed by him, gained line, lost line. I felt I had hooked a CO record pike.I finally gained enough line that I saw the fish. I was *VERY* dissappointed when I saw it was a carp. When I finally landed it, I guestimated it at over twenty pounds, similar in weight to some of the bigger pike I had caught. Over the next few days, my mind kept going back to the battle with this fish. I was probably the most exciting, hard fought battle I’d had with a fish. This turned around my thinking about carp. I now fish for them with dries when they’re surface feeding, & will fish for them with nymphs etc. I find that small flies, as a whole, fish better.   Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – C’mon you people, admit it, let share some carp on the fly stories.  These stalwart fighters have been much maligned over the decades regarding their worth as a worthy adversary. I know some of you have forsaken the Trout for the coarseness of what’s still considered in Europe as a noble Fish. The Carp.  Philosophical retorts as well as pragmatic advice on how to catch the suckers is welcome.   (Have tried steelhead type egg flies with little success for starters). There is a story in the current California Fly Fisher about sneak fishing for large carp in ponds in Golden Gate Park, San Francisco. Written by Seth Norman with photos by Valentine Atkinson. He scored on egg flies. The fish were spooky. The proper camoflage would be to dress as a bum and cast a short rod from a park bench.

Laugh.  I really miss my subscription to that magazine but I no longer live in California.  If you (the generic you) live in California, and you flyfish,  I highly recommend a subscription to the magazine. -Mark Vinsel BTW, in case this rare willingness to write on your favorite quarry inspires you to want to subscribe, Cal FFer can be reached at: P.O. Box 40429 San Francisco, CA,  94140 (415) 284-0313

At one time they had an email address as well but were having trouble with their service provider and I haven’t seen anything from them in a long time.  I had a good feeling about them when I first subscribed to the magazine and they apologized for not getting back so soon because the staff was out fishing. John Fereira

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: I thought he was referring to the Hillary Clinton Lesbian Streamer Dry Fly : Series which goes both ways.  You don’t *really* think he believes that the : wife of the president of the USofA is a fuzzbumping rugmuncher, do ya ? A fuzzbumping rugmuncher?  Is that in current usage in your neck of the woods?  Could you draw a diagram, Tim, please?  I am not quite sure, I quite understand. . . .   (really). I would like to pass this one on to some gay and lesbian friends  :-). Burnaby, BC

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I thought he was referring to the Hillary Clinton Lesbian Streamer Dry Fly Series which goes both ways.  You don’t *really* think he believes that the wife of the president of the USofA is a fuzzbumping rugmuncher, do ya ? TimW T-Bone, man, you crack me up. Your posts are as entertaining as it gets. It makes wading through all the flames to get at useful FF info. all worth while. Keep it up! Silent Fan, JD.

With his general age (oldest living flyfisherperson), condition (must have high bp and or suffering from metabolic imbalance judging from posts) and temperament (terminal irascibility, newly recognized condition, see last New England Medical Journal) T-Bone needs all the encouragement he can get just to think about getting it up, much less keeping it up. Note:  According to the FDA eating hatchery fish may have deletorious effects on your health.  Read the list of chemicals used in hatcheries to prevent the spread of disease etc.  How many has Tim eaten? Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – TimW T-Bone, man, you crack me up. Your posts are as entertaining as it gets. It makes wading through all the flames to get at useful FF info. all worth while. Keep it up! Silent Fan, JD. With his general age (oldest living flyfisherperson), condition (must have high bp and or suffering from metabolic imbalance judging from posts) and temperament (terminal irascibility, newly recognized condition, see last New England Medical Journal) T-Bone needs all the encouragement he can get just to think about getting it up, much less keeping it up. Note:  According to the FDA eating hatchery fish may have deletorious effects on your health.  Read the list of chemicals used in hatcheries to prevent the spread of disease etc.  How many has Tim eaten? Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

FRANKLY T-BONE; I’m sorry I missed that new fly tying contest but appreciate the fact you accepted my winning entry called, "The Hatchery Pellet Fly".  ;)  Dressed with XINK, it settles The Hatchery Pellet at the proper rate and the diseased trout that are on all those hallucinating drugs, (the same ones McGuane seems to be on) to prevent the spread of ‘Hallucinating’ – is more apt to catch suckers, rather than trout.  (the same as a McGuane Sucker)  Those we throw over the hatchery fence . . . if I remember right. Hang tough T-bone.  Everyone knows that the best policy for hatchery reared trout is a gut-em & eat-um program anyhow.  EVERYONE knows that, except the McGuanes who know nothing of value.  Besides, with trout going for $4 dollars a pound, look at all the grocery bills one can save killing the trash fish the State Raises?  I think this is why your staff gave me the winning prize for the most productive fly ever conceived for catching Hatchery Trout.  I told you T-bone, you had to tie that damned thing on behind one of those service barns . . . didn’t I? Does this mean we should write the book, "Matching the Pellets? unsilent fan, George/Mr. Gink

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<snip I must apologise to the rest of the world that there are others in this country that do not have manners, who are ill-bred, and totally discourteous.  I mean this most sincerely.  Therefore, everyone; please excuse me for I will not stoop to this individual’s level.  It appears

<snip George Gehrke/American Sportsman

George, you recently called Hilary Clinton, who is, last I recall, a private citizen, a lesbian, with the main purpose of the claim being to smear her.  This seems to this pilgrim to be discourteous.  I suggest you stick to reading for a while, until you learn some manners and civility.   Regardless of how we feel about the topic, it ain’t about fly fishing. There are a variety of newsgroups that are devoted to this type of debate.  Polite behavior in the clan would dictate that you confine your discussions on these topics to those newsgroups.  If you are as polite and courteous as you assert yourself to be, you will do so in the future.   I suggest that you try alt.politics.clinton, where you will find some kindred souls, as well as some flaming liberals that you can sharpen your teeth on.

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I thought he was referring to the Hillary Clinton Lesbian Streamer Dry Fly Series which goes both ways.  You don’t *really* think he believes that the wife of the president of the USofA is a fuzzbumping rugmuncher, do ya ? TimW

T-Bone, man, you crack me up. Your posts are as entertaining as it gets. It makes wading through all the flames to get at useful FF info. all worth while. Keep it up! Silent Fan, JD.

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George, you recently called Hilary Clinton, who is, last I recall, a private citizen, a lesbian, with the main purpose of the claim being to smear her.  This seems to this pilgrim to be discourteous.  I suggest you stick to reading for a while, until you learn some manners and civility. Regardless of how we feel about the topic, it ain’t about fly fishing.[rip]

I thought he was referring to the Hillary Clinton Lesbian Streamer Dry Fly Series which goes both ways.  You don’t *really* think he believes that the wife of the president of the USofA is a fuzzbumping rugmuncher, do ya ? TimW

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No Sandy — just honest and accurate.

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We all ought to thank George Gehrke for providing some fun. (thanks George!). Seems like a lot of people where surprised to realize what a jerhke George is. (right wing, opinionated, arrogant, mean-spirited, pea-brained, etc). Well, I met George at an FFF conclave about 10 years ago, when I was trying to sell boats. George was (then): a) old b) arrogant, opinionated, pompous, greedy, stupid, pea-brained (then and now) So, by mentioning this observation, am I mean-spirited too? —

No.  I think it makes you a liar and an exaggeration to the definition of what "A Sportsman" is all about.  There are ladies and gentlemen in this world . . . and then there are the sandy’s. I must apologise to the rest of the world that there are others in this country that do not have manners, who are ill-bred, and totally discourteous.  I mean this most sincerely.  Therefore, everyone; please excuse me for I will not stoop to this individual’s level.  It appears Sandy may have been an abused child and needs to strike out at anything that represents ‘a father figure’. It is seldom that I’m disappointed with others who make claim to being in the faturnity called, "Fly Fishermen".  Overall, they gracious, kind and loving people. AS for the Sandys in this world?  At least I know, I’m a winner. George Gehrke/American Sportsman

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We all ought to thank George Gehrke for providing some fun. (thanks George!). Seems like a lot of people where surprised to realize what a jerhke George is. (right wing, opinionated, arrogant, mean-spirited, pea-brained, etc). Well, I met George at an FFF conclave about 10 years ago, when I was trying to sell boats. George was (then): a) old b) arrogant, opinionated, pompous, greedy, stupid, pea-brained (then and now) So, by mentioning this observation, am I mean-spirited too?   —

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Hi, I was wondering if the color of the line really mattered? that’s all, bye (no need to e-mail me, share with the world too)

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I am new to fly tying and am looking for inexpensive grizzly saddle hackle for saltwater flies. If you know of a great mail-order house or local store that is worth checking out prices, email me or post. Thanks.

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Hi, I was wondering if the color of the line really mattered? that’s all, bye (no need to e-mail me, share with the world too)

Of course it matters, to the fisherman.  I’ve never seen a trout take a flyline or reject one.  Seems to be most important to color blind males and nymph fishermen who are to vain to admit to using strike indicators.

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(Scott Pendell) writes: Hi, I was wondering if the color of the line really mattered? that’s all, bye

Scott, I recently purchased a Cortland Glo-Line in sort of a flourescent red/orange.  I have caught several large trout with it, and hooked (but not landed yet) several large Steelhead.  All of which leads me to think that line color may not be much of a factor.

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Almost every flyshop (local or mail order) will have inexpensive hackle of all types. Yes, they are great for saltwater and other flies where size and stiffness are not critical. After some experience with that, high quality hackle makes good sense if the flies you are tying demand it. Don’t forget, ask your fly shop employees for help! They’ve been there too.

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Hi, I was wondering if the color of the line really mattered? that’s all, bye

There is some exceptional work done by Brian Clarke and John Goddard in their book "The Trout and the Fly".   Using underwater photography they took shots of lines over the water (being cast) and on the water.  They showed that dark colored lines and very light colored lines showed up most during the cast — these line contrasted most against the back ground of the sky.  There is also some great — and surprising — pictures of the visibility of leader line on the water. I think once the line is in the water, that color doesn’t matter much.  The line shouldn’t be that close to the fish to matter.  Indeed, part of the purpose of the leader is to divorce the fly from the fly line. — Richard Nelson Spokane, Wa. "Its not that life is so short, its that death is sooo long."  

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writes: If Dave Whitlock isn’t the alltime Master of flyfishing then I don’t

know who is. For all around knowledge and no frills fishing ideas I prefer Lefty Kreh.

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For all around knowledge and no frills fishing ideas I prefer Lefty Kreh.

all around knowledge ? Red Green gets my vote. Tim Walker

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How could you forget Lee Wulff, my favorite?

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writes: If Dave Whitlock isn’t the alltime Master of flyfishing then I don’t know who is. For all around knowledge and no frills fishing ideas I prefer Lefty Kreh.

Lefty Kreh is one of the masters, but please, for "no frills" saltwater flies and fishing, my man is Lou Tabory!   —- "Just say no to bait"

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I just finished reviewing Jack Samson’s new biography of Lee Wullf. Super book. The review should be posted in the magazine early next week. — ** Louis Bignami, Publisher         http://www.finefishing.com Fine Fishing Internet Magazine                "largest fishing mag on the Net" **

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Check out the Fly & Field Website!  They have Dave Whitlock!  He is writing articles and fly recipes, and answering questions!  I am PSYCHED!!  If DW isn’t the alltime Master of flyfishing then I don’t know who is. I’ve been collecting his books and drawings for several years and I even got to meet him once at a fishing show in San Francisco.  He is the nicest person and his knowledge is so vast on so many topics of flyfishing it’s incredible.  I’m sorry if I sound like a blithering idiot, but this is too much.   The site is at http://www.flyfield.com/ but you can go straight to Dave at http://www.flyfield.com/dw2.htm.  They are also highlighting Davy Wotton. Does anybody know about him?  Apparently he is like the Dave Whitlock of Europe.  

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Petti) writes: ve heard that "The Tippet" is one of Orvis’ "Western Series" rods, and is considerably stiffer than the Ultra Fine.

The "Tippet" is a 7 1/2 foot 3 wt.fullflex rod.  The "Western Tippet" was a medium-fast action 3 wt. that is no longer made.                                                        Dan

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I’m thinking about buying a 2wt or 3wt fly rod for fishing small streams and catching stoked troat when I’m stuck in Phoenix during the winter. I have not cast any rods yet, but I was thinking about trying Orvis’ Ultra Fin and Tippet models.  I would also like to try some of the Sage rods. Does anyone have any opinions on these rods or recommendations about other rods?  Any information would be helpful.  Thanks!                                            John S. Hetrick

My brother has a Sage LL series 2 WT that is a lot of fun on brush choked streams.  It is very easy to be very accurate with it.  Even when you do screw up and slap the line down on the water, it does not scare the brookies.   You can trust my testimonial because I am an Orvis fan.  Saying nice things about Sage does not come easily. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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I like light weight rods.  I find them easier to fish and while you might give up something in distance or have to pick your places and moments in a headwind, using them forces me to pay attention to the closer water. You do have to I’ve got a orvis 8′3" western tippit that I love but dont believe is in production anymore.   In a fit of fuzzy thinking I built a sage LL #2 wt last winter.   The length escapes me but its probably 6′6" or so. Its ok but far too fast to make short casts easily. (I do like the length) I suspect it would fish better with a heaver line.

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short rod bellow 8Ft regadless of action, slow,fast etc… is not so efficent. if you like to cast million time to avoid the drag that’s fine. I like slow action rod because it will handle light tippet very well with big fish, casting don’t require critical timing for forward cast, I have tried scott, winston but I did found them too stiff. I was almost go for Glass fiber rod and I found this Rod makes here in NY called East Branch Rods. 1-800-337-EROD they are great rod and price is great (all under 200) they have finished rod or just blank or kit. They make fullline of trout and others but I think 8ft for 2wt is best. even in windy condition, they will cut righttrough. should give them try,

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m thinking about buying a 2wt or 3wt fly rod for fishing small streams and catching stoked troat when I’m stuck in Phoenix during the winter. I have not cast any rods yet, but I was thinking about trying Orvis’ Ultra Fin and Tippet models.  I would also like to try some of the Sage rods. Does anyone have any opinions on these rods or recommendations about other rods?  Any information would be helpful.  Thanks!                                                John S. Hetrick I made a sage III 9′ 3wt (390RPL) at the start of this season and I wouldn’t trade it for anything on calm days.  I’ve landed 16" RainBows without any problems but I did have some fun doing it….  The RPL models are very fast action. Frank I. Mason

On the other hand, if you want a slower action, an 8ft 3wt Winston is a wonderful rod.  I build custom rods and this is one of the most popular rods I build. Lyman  Hughes Ennis, MT Dallas, TX

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m thinking about buying a 2wt or 3wt fly rod for fishing small streams and catching stoked troat when I’m stuck in Phoenix during the winter.  I have not cast any rods yet, but I was thinking about trying Orvis’ Ultra Fin and Tippet models.  I would also like to try some of the Sage rods.   Does anyone have any opinions on these rods or recommendations about other rods?  Any information would be helpful.  Thanks!                                                John S. Hetrick Well John; I gotta opinion, doesn’t everyone?? In this case however, it may be actually of some use. Before you go out and plunk that money down on that new rod. Dig through yer closet and find that short 4-5 weight that you bought for small creeks. Take that thing and line it with one of them #2 lines and see how you like it. Esp. if its a DT2 or a TT2. I think you may find, as other have that a #2 line will load a 4/5wt rod at a moderate distance with practice and work pretty darned well. Then when the wind picks up at the end of the day, you can pull out that other reel and line it up with a 4/5 and still cast when the folks with the 2s and 1s have headed back to the truck. The fast action 4/5 won’t work?? Hmmm, if it was a medium it would, anyway, this may be the excuse you’ve been looking for to get a 4/5 weight cane rod. A gentile action 4 or 5 weight 7 and a half ft bamboo rod oughta throw a 2 weight line just fine. Think about it, you can shop around and find an older 7 1/2 ft. 4/5 weight cane rod for something like the price of a new 2 weight graphite or boron, and it will cover more water under more conditions. This may be the one case for having 2 spools. thank me later.

I must whole heartedly agree with Chip. I made my dad a 7ft 3wt split cane rod. In the course of testing it out, I saw practically no difference in casting a 2wt line compared to a 3wt. Both were DT. I also tried it with a 4wt WF and the rod handled that line very well also. So he has a rod that can cast from a 2wt DT to a 4wt WF. I’ll bet that everything except the fastest (stiffest) light line rods would do the same. I might tend to go for the 3/4 wt range though, trying to cast a 2wt line with a 4/5wt rod might be too much of a stretch, but it, of course, would depend on the action of the rod. Small streams and light line is where split cane rods really come into their own. It’s really hard for me to convey to people the action and feel of a split cane rod. There is something about bamboo that really makes the rod feel like a natural extension of your arm. However, when the wind comes up, or you are fishing big water requiring long casts all day long, break out your fast action graphite 6wt. Don’t try to make a rod do something it’s not designed to do. You did ask for opinions didn’t you? Darryl Hayashida

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I’m thinking about buying a 2wt or 3wt fly rod for fishing small streams and catching stoked troat when I’m stuck in Phoenix during the winter. I have not cast any rods yet, but I was thinking about trying Orvis’ Ultra Fin and Tippet models.  I would also like to try some of the Sage rods.   Does anyone have any opinions on these rods or recommendations about other rods?  Any information would be helpful.  Thanks!                                            John S. Hetrick

I made a sage III 9′ 3wt (390RPL) at the start of this season and I wouldn’t trade it for anything on calm days.  I’ve landed 16" RainBows without any problems but I did have some fun doing it….  The RPL models are very fast action. Frank I. Mason

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I’m thinking about buying a 2wt or 3wt fly rod for fishing small streams and catching stoked troat when I’m stuck in Phoenix during the winter.  I have not cast any rods yet, but I was thinking about trying Orvis’ Ultra Fin and Tippet models.  I would also like to try some of the Sage rods.   Does anyone have any opinions on these rods or recommendations about other rods?  Any information would be helpful.  Thanks!                                                 John S. Hetrick

Do check out the Sage LL line.  They have some nice 3 and 4 wt rods in the 5 1/2 – 6 1/2 foot range. Steve –  A sunny day,       a box of midges,          and a wandering stream…    Man, this MUST be heaven!    <    Steve Kulpa    <<

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Try the Orvis Flea, great little 6 1/2′ with a DT3. Glenn

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I’m thinking about buying a 2wt or 3wt fly rod for fishing small streams and catching stoked troat when I’m stuck in Phoenix during the winter.  I have not cast any rods yet, but I was thinking about trying Orvis’ Ultra Fin and Tippet models.  I would also like to try some of the Sage rods.   Does anyone have any opinions on these rods or recommendations about other rods?  Any information would be helpful.  Thanks!                                            John S. Hetrick

Well John; I gotta opinion, doesn’t everyone?? In this case however, it may be actually of some use. Before you go out and plunk that money down on that new rod. Dig through yer closet and find that short 4-5 weight that you bought for small creeks. Take that thing and line it with one of them #2 lines and see how you like it. Esp. if its a DT2 or a TT2. I think you may find, as other have that a #2 line will load a 4/5wt rod at a moderate distance with practice and work pretty darned well. Then when the wind picks up at the end of the day, you can pull out that other reel and line it up with a 4/5 and still cast when the folks with the 2s and 1s have headed back to the truck. The fast action 4/5 won’t work?? Hmmm, if it was a medium it would, anyway, this may be the excuse you’ve been looking for to get a 4/5 weight cane rod. A gentile action 4 or 5 weight 7 and a half ft bamboo rod oughta throw a 2 weight line just fine. Think about it, you can shop around and find an older 7 1/2 ft. 4/5 weight cane rod for something like the price of a new 2 weight graphite or boron, and it will cover more water under more conditions. This may be the one case for having 2 spools. thank me later.

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I’m thinking about buying a 2wt or 3wt fly rod for fishing small streams and catching stoked troat when I’m stuck in Phoenix during the winter.  I have not cast any rods yet, but I was thinking about trying Orvis’ Ultra Fin and Tippet models.  I would also like to try some of the Sage rods.   Does anyone have any opinions on these rods or recommendations about other rods?  Any information would be helpful.  Thanks!                                            John S. Hetrick

I built a rod from an Orvis Ultrafine blank last winter. It has become my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE rod for chasing trout in small streams. The only caveat I have is wind. If the areas you fish in are typically windy, don’t get the 2wt. You will kill yourself trying to cast in the wind. On days when the wind is calm, it throws everything from the tiniest dry flies (of course), to bead head nymphs with incredible accuracy. I use a Wulff Triangle Taper 2/3 line. A 12" trout on that rod is an absolute blast! It comes HIGHLY recommended. I’ve heard that "The Tippet" is one of Orvis’ "Western Series" rods, and is considerably stiffer than the Ultra Fine. If that’s the case, it doesn’t sound like a small stream rod. Can anyone confirm? I’ve also cast a SAGE 389 LL, and it is a very fine rod. The one I cast was made with a "strange" reel seat and grip, and it seemed a bit tip heavy, but I’ve never encountered that on any other SAGE LL. I’m sure it was a factor in the way the rod was put together. The LL is a little more "beefy" than the Orvis, and can throw a WF4F as good as a DT3F. It is a VERY nice rod as well. I think you would be happy with either one of these rods. Bob Petti Endwell, NY

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I’m thinking about buying a 2wt or 3wt fly rod for fishing small streams                                            John S. Hetrick

I use a Sage 379 LL and love it.  It handles dries beautifully, and can also throw a #12 nymph or scud.  

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I’m thinking about buying a 2wt or 3wt fly rod for fishing small streams and catching stoked troat when I’m stuck in Phoenix during the winter.  I have not cast any rods yet, but I was thinking about trying Orvis’ Ultra Fin and Tippet models.  I would also like to try some of the Sage rods.   Does anyone have any opinions on these rods or recommendations about other rods?  Any information would be helpful.  Thanks!                                                 John S. Hetrick

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