Question:

This past few days I have been fishing the Sage SLT 5 weight 8′6. At 3 ounces it is a dream to cast and it turns over a dry fly so nicely. It performs consistently on long and short casts. but I think it’s the simple comfort it provides (smoothness, forgiveness, lightness) that impressed me. I also nymphed with it, but found it not as good as the Scott for lifting 3 AB shot, 2 #8 nymphs and a waterlogger strike indicator. The last rod I purchased was 4 years ago, a Scott SES. This is the first rod I have tried where I can really feel something worthy of calling a technological advance. I think it just made the Xmas list. — Gary M

Response:

Yes a very good rod with plenty or reserve power, smoothness and light weight in hand. Beats every other 5 weight i’ve ever cast.

Response:

Interesting comments. At our fishing clubs "Tackle Night" the Sage rep was there–so I had the opportunity to cast both the SLT and the XP. I found the SLT to be not to my liking at all. I use a Scott STS 905-4; aqnd again IMO, the SLT couldn’t hold a candle to the Scott., THe XP, however, was an absolute *dream* to cast. Since the Freshwater Scott STS series has been (stupidly IMO) discontinued–if I break the one I have I se an XP 905-4 in my future.   Dave M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This past few days I have been fishing the Sage SLT 5 weight 8′6. At 3 ounces it is a dream to cast and it turns over a dry fly so nicely. It performs consistently on long and short casts. but I think it’s the simple comfort it provides (smoothness, forgiveness, lightness) that impressed me. I also nymphed with it, but found it not as good as the Scott for lifting 3 AB shot, 2 #8 nymphs and a waterlogger strike indicator. The last rod I purchased was 4 years ago, a Scott SES. This is the first rod I have tried where I can really feel something worthy of calling a technological advance. I think it just made the Xmas list. — Gary M

Response:

Question:

Hell I forgot this place, try it first: Charleston Angler  843-571-3899) jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cap’t Champ Smith, can be booked through Buck n Bass Mount Pleasant SC. He will provide all the gear, be prepared to be humbled. jim Greeting Friends, I will be tagging along with my wife for a business trip to Charleston, South Carolina on November 12th and would like to try a guided trip in Saltwater (the flats hopefully).  I have never fished the Salt with a Fly rod and am jazzed about the possibilities.  Unfortunately with no experience I am not sure how to start looking for a quality guide, I have searched the net and found several but I am not sure of the correct questions to help me decide who might be the best. I also do not have Saltwater Fly equipment and will have to rely on decent equipment being supplied by the Captain. If anybody has had any experience with fishing SC this time of year and could recommend a good guide I would be very grateful.  Also any advice as to what fish are still active for fly fishing this time of year and necessary equipment and flies that I should start tying would be much appreciated. You gentlemen have always been instrumental in my fly fishing education for which I will be forever thankful. Sincerely, Tony Norton

Response:

I was down there (Kiawah) this past June, tried doing saltwater for the first time by myself. Got skunked…next time I will get Dave Crosby at Charleston Angler. Went by the shop,,,real nice folks. Tim, not giving up on sw yet, Long – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hell I forgot this place, try it first: Charleston Angler 843-571-3899) jim Cap’t Champ Smith, can be booked through Buck n Bass Mount Pleasant SC. He will provide all the gear, be prepared to be humbled. jim Greeting Friends, I will be tagging along with my wife for a business trip to Charleston, South Carolina on November 12th and would like to try a guided trip in Saltwater (the flats hopefully).  I have never fished the Salt with a Fly rod and am jazzed about the possibilities.  Unfortunately with no experience I am not sure how to start looking for a quality guide, I have searched the net and found several but I am not sure of the correct questions to help me decide who might be the best. I also do not have Saltwater Fly equipment and will have to rely on decent equipment being supplied by the Captain. If anybody has had any experience with fishing SC this time of year and could recommend a good guide I would be very grateful.  Also any advice as to what fish are still active for fly fishing this time of year and necessary equipment and flies that I should start tying would be much appreciated. You gentlemen have always been instrumental in my fly fishing education for which I will be forever thankful. Sincerely, Tony Norton

Before you buy.

Response:

Greeting Friends, I will be tagging along with my wife for a business trip to Charleston, South Carolina on November 12th and would like to try a guided trip in Saltwater (the flats hopefully).  I have never fished the Salt with a Fly rod and am jazzed about the possibilities.  Unfortunately with no experience I am not sure how to start looking for a quality guide, I have searched the net and found several but I am not sure of the correct questions to help me decide who might be the best. I also do not have Saltwater Fly equipment and will have to rely on decent equipment being supplied by the Captain. If anybody has had any experience with fishing SC this time of year and could recommend a good guide I would be very grateful.  Also any advice as to what fish are still active for fly fishing this time of year and necessary equipment and flies that I should start tying would be much appreciated. You gentlemen have always been instrumental in my fly fishing education for which I will be forever thankful. Sincerely, Tony Norton

Response:

Hey Tony check out NGTO they have a lot of members who fish all over I bet they will be able to help you out . Gray Ghost http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ngto/ Check the message board and register and ask your questions all fisherman welcome.

Response:

Cap’t Champ Smith, can be booked through Buck n Bass Mount Pleasant SC. He will provide all the gear, be prepared to be humbled. jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greeting Friends, I will be tagging along with my wife for a business trip to Charleston, South Carolina on November 12th and would like to try a guided trip in Saltwater (the flats hopefully).  I have never fished the Salt with a Fly rod and am jazzed about the possibilities.  Unfortunately with no experience I am not sure how to start looking for a quality guide, I have searched the net and found several but I am not sure of the correct questions to help me decide who might be the best. I also do not have Saltwater Fly equipment and will have to rely on decent equipment being supplied by the Captain. If anybody has had any experience with fishing SC this time of year and could recommend a good guide I would be very grateful.  Also any advice as to what fish are still active for fly fishing this time of year and necessary equipment and flies that I should start tying would be much appreciated. You gentlemen have always been instrumental in my fly fishing education for which I will be forever thankful. Sincerely, Tony Norton

Response:

Question:

 So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig.

heh, heh, heh! Deer freezing in the headlights I can understand.  Deer seeking out the headlights leaves me somewhat bemused, not to mention the rather sorry state it leaves them in.  "Selfrighteous prig"?  Ouch!  If that is the best you can do for an insult you pathetic little cocksucker, you really ARE in the wrong place.  Hell, that wasn’t even amusing. Clueless newbie is a term rarely applied to anyone who comes in asking for information or anyone who pauses to introduce him or her self. Typically it is reserved for sanctimonious pieces of shit like yourself who have somehow gotten into their pointed little heads the idea that they need to come in here and clean up the joint.  Let me guess, you REALLY thought that by laying it on heavy like you did, you would force me to roll over and concede your moral and intellectual superiority, right?  The bad man would slink off in dismay and the usenet would live happily ever after, right?  I’ll bet you’ve got a spiffy collection of John Wayne and Gary Cooper movies, huh? If you had taken the time to acquaint yourself with the place you’d just walked into it might have caused you to have your head out of your ass long enough to get a bit of oxygen to what passes for your brain.  As a result it might have dawned on you that the thread you were responding to was somewhat tongue in cheek (not at all the same thing as having your entire skull firmly lodged BETWEEN your cheeks).   If you think MY attitude is offensive, just wait till one of the REAL assholes in here sinks his teeth into your sorry decrepit ass.  How to learn?  ASK A FUCKING QUESTION! At any rate, nice to have you aboard.  Stick around for a while; I suspect you will provide many hours of diversion.  And DO have a nice day asshole.    :) Wolfgang STILL the undefeated world champion Royal ROFFian Guardian Against Sanctimony!

Response:

….Can you imagine there was the digital equivalent of a barfight over the definition of meniscus??

Oh come now Herman, that was hardly a barfight!  As I recall, it one of the more civilized, not to mention enlightening, discussions that has ever taken place among my esteemed brethren here.  Nary a harsh word was written.        :)

Response:

Hey Wolfie, are you the selfrighteous prig or am I.  I’m confused?  I thought we were making fun of flamers.

Didn’t LaPlac call you a prig last year when he had that bad cold? — Charlie…

Response:

Don, you’ll usually find what you need, if you can separate the wheat from the burning chaff.  Did you ask a question that got ignored or are you just being hypothetical?  Charlie,   Not takin it personal. I know a bit about the exasperation with clueless newbies and asking the same question 30 different ways.Just tryin to learn here. I admit at 50 it might take some learning but if I ask a question and get nothing back what has gone on?  Is my question so stupid that it is undeserving of an answer? Or is it just that the elite feel they don’t like clueless newbies ?

– Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

Response:

 So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig.

Innocence Abused. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

Response:

Hey Wolfie, are you the selfrighteous prig or am I.  I’m confused?  I thought we were making fun of flamers.

Um, I believe that would be me Peter.  As I recall, you are the hapless Canuck.

Response:

So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig. — Don Thompson Zoomie(BushBug) ACA#3460 TLCB#335 Any Time, Any Place

Hey Wolfie, are you the selfrighteous prig or am I.  I’m confused?  I thought we were making fun of flamers. Peter

Response:

Oh come now Herman, that was hardly a barfight!  As I recall, it one of the more civilized, not to mention enlightening, discussions that has ever taken place among my esteemed brethren here.  Nary a harsh word was written.    :)

Let’s pray for sanctuary from this sanctimony<g. — Charlie…

Response:

[neat rant snipped] Wolfgang STILL the undefeated world champion Royal ROFFian Guardian Against Sanctimony!

Oh, OK you’re the selfrighteous prig.  Good, saves me the bother. Peter

Response:

 So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

Wow, this is too good to be true. A sanctimonious, name calling, self confessed, clueless newbie. OK, so who’s the funny man ? Which one of you clever assholes made this one up ? Opie ? RDean ? — Ken Fortenberry

Response:

So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig. — Don Thompson Zoomie(BushBug) ACA#3460 TLCB#335 Any Time, Any Place Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

You certainly know how to make an entrance.  Once you’ve saught medical treatment for your rectal-cranial inversion condition, please make yourself at home and enjoy the place. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

Response:

 Well,  Thanks both Herman and Charlie.   Er was than meniscus or maniscus?     grin —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

| Don, | It happens. Some questions are somehow not touched by anyone, while | other, most of the time completely unexpected and without any relation | to the original topic, change into threads that run for weeks and even | turn into mudslinging contests. Can you imagine there was the digital | equivalent of a barfight over the definition of meniscus?? Don’t ask, | you might stir up the, ehmm.. nevermind. | And as for elite.. there is no such thing as elite over here. Just stick | around, and don’t hesitate to ask a question. | | Have fun, Herman | |

| |  Charlie, | |   Not takin it personal. I know a bit about the exasperation with clueless | newbies and asking the same question 30 different ways.Just tryin to learn | here. I admit at 50 it might take some learning but if I ask a question and | get nothing back what has gone on?  Is my question so stupid that it is | undeserving of an answer? Or is it just that the elite feel they don’t like | clueless newbies ? | | — |  Don Thompson |  Zoomie(BushBug) |  ACA#3460 |  TLCB#335 |  Any Time, Any Place | |  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air. | | | | Charlie, | | | | In asia where they drive on the wrong side of the road I had some help | | before getting run over.Wish it were so here. | | | | I didn’t and almost got hit the 1st time or two, but I figured it out | | pretty quick on my own. They don’t much worry about hitting | | pedestrians over there, especially American ones. I didn’t take it | | personally, though. FWIW. | | — | | Charlie… | | — | | Cheers, Herman | Herman Nijland | Daytime webmaster | Lifetime flyfisher

Response:

So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??

Look both ways before stepping out in traffic? — Charlie…

Response:

 Charlie,  In asia where they drive on the wrong side of the road I had some help before getting run over.Wish it were so here. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

| | So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude | offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to | flame?? | | Look both ways before stepping out in traffic? | — | Charlie…

Response:

 Charlie,   Not takin it personal. I know a bit about the exasperation with clueless newbies and asking the same question 30 different ways.Just tryin to learn here. I admit at 50 it might take some learning but if I ask a question and get nothing back what has gone on?  Is my question so stupid that it is undeserving of an answer? Or is it just that the elite feel they don’t like clueless newbies ? —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

| | Charlie, | | In asia where they drive on the wrong side of the road I had some help | before getting run over.Wish it were so here. | | I didn’t and almost got hit the 1st time or two, but I figured it out | pretty quick on my own. They don’t much worry about hitting | pedestrians over there, especially American ones. I didn’t take it | personally, though. FWIW. | — | Charlie…

Response:

if I ask a question and get nothing back what has gone on?  Is my question so stupid that it is undeserving of an answer? Or is it just that the elite feel they don’t like clueless newbies ?

Maybe nobody knows the answer? — Charlie…

Response:

Charlie, In asia where they drive on the wrong side of the road I had some help before getting run over.Wish it were so here.

I didn’t and almost got hit the 1st time or two, but I figured it out pretty quick on my own. They don’t much worry about hitting pedestrians over there, especially American ones. I didn’t take it personally, though. FWIW. — Charlie…

Response:

So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig.

Actually, clueless newbies who are polite are taken pity on and helped to a wealth of comprehensive fly-fishing knowledge that spans the globe. Clueless newbies with a bad attitude are despised and flamed.   It’s a pretty simple distinction actually.   I’m sure you’ll see the difference pretty soon. Joe F. Newbie once, clueless never.

Response:

Don, It happens. Some questions are somehow not touched by anyone, while other, most of the time completely unexpected and without any relation to the original topic, change into threads that run for weeks and even turn into mudslinging contests. Can you imagine there was the digital equivalent of a barfight over the definition of meniscus?? Don’t ask, you might stir up the, ehmm.. nevermind. And as for elite.. there is no such thing as elite over here. Just stick around, and don’t hesitate to ask a question. Have fun, Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Charlie,   Not takin it personal. I know a bit about the exasperation with clueless newbies and asking the same question 30 different ways.Just tryin to learn here. I admit at 50 it might take some learning but if I ask a question and get nothing back what has gone on?  Is my question so stupid that it is undeserving of an answer? Or is it just that the elite feel they don’t like clueless newbies ? —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air. | | Charlie, | | In asia where they drive on the wrong side of the road I had some help | before getting run over.Wish it were so here. | | I didn’t and almost got hit the 1st time or two, but I figured it out | pretty quick on my own. They don’t much worry about hitting | pedestrians over there, especially American ones. I didn’t take it | personally, though. FWIW. | — | Charlie…

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

Response:

 Pretty good list but we’re still missing a few.  I can’t find you anywhere.  There were no pictures of a taxonomists anywhere, but can I still send you that bow by UPS to get stuffed?

Stuff it!    Oops, I meant; stuff it?  

Response:

 So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig.

Umm, excuse me for interrupting, but you spelled "pig" wrong. — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

Response:

…[stuff] —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

p.s. Love your sig line – who designed it for you, Steve Z.? — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

Response:

As an erstwhile taxonomist I have always been somewhat distressed by the lack of fine distinction made in describing the various individuals we encounter here.  The recent "Let me know what you think" thread is a case in point; spammer, troll, clueless newbie, and asshole simply do not suffice for differentiating among the multifarious life forms which frequent this pond.  to help remedy this situation I offer the following: http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html Let the games begin!

Response:

As an erstwhile taxonomist I have always been somewhat distressed by the lack of fine distinction made in describing the various individuals we encounter here.  The recent "Let me know what you think" thread is a case in point; spammer, troll, clueless newbie, and asshole simply do not suffice for differentiating among the multifarious life forms which frequent this pond.  to help remedy this situation I offer the following: http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html Let the games begin!

 Pretty good list but we’re still missing a few.  I can’t find you anywhere.  There were no pictures of a taxonomists anywhere, but can I still send you that bow by UPS to get stuffed? Peter

Response:

 So clueless newbies are to be despised ?? Being one I find your attitude offensive.How else are we to learn if folks like you are so soon to flame??Hell I bet dollars to donuts you were once a clueless newbie yourself you selfrighteous prig. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

| | As an erstwhile taxonomist I have always been somewhat distressed by the | lack of fine distinction made in describing the various individuals we | encounter here.  The recent "Let me know what you think" thread is a | case in point; spammer, troll, clueless newbie, and asshole simply do | not suffice for differentiating among the multifarious life forms which | frequent this pond.  to help remedy this situation I offer the | following: | | http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html | | Let the games begin! | |  Pretty good list but we’re still missing a few.  I can’t find you | anywhere.  There were no pictures of a taxonomists anywhere, but can I | still send you that bow by UPS to get stuffed? | | Peter | |

Response:

Question:

Have you found that those folks asking for quotes on 4 different boats with 16 different power options do or do not end up buying boats from you?  - Bud

I hold my breath for the day I sell a single boat via the web, Bud. I spend hours working on quotes and have not had a single sale to date. My feeling is that most people are using my quote to ensure their dealer is not out of line. Great for them, a poor allocation of time and resources for me. I suspect the used boats page (when up later this month) will prove more productive. — Regards,         Dave Brown         Brown’s Marina         Ontario, Canada         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

Response:

Dave, with a Zero to X hit ratio, why do you bother to continue with the internet quotes?

Have you found that those folks asking for quotes on 4 different boats with 16 different power options do or do not end up buying boats from you?  -

Bud I hold my breath for the day I sell a single boat via the web, Bud. I spend hours working on quotes and have not had a single sale to date. My feeling is that most people are using my quote to ensure their dealer is not out of line. Great for them, a poor allocation of time and resources for me. I suspect the used boats page (when up later this month) will prove more productive. — Regards,         Dave Brown         Brown’s Marina         Ontario, Canada         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

Response:

Dave, with a Zero to X hit ratio, why do you bother to continue with the internet quotes?

I guess because I’m waiting to see whether or not it will change in the future. The reality is, people are far more apt to be rude and demanding via the Internet than by phone because of anonymity and I suspect I will grow tired of this sooner rather than later. — Regards,         Dave Brown         Brown’s Marina         Ontario, Canada         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

Response:

I hold my breath for the day I sell a single boat via the web, Bud. I spend hours working on quotes and have not had a single sale to date. My feeling is that most people are using my quote to ensure their dealer is not out of line. Great for them, a poor allocation of time and resources for me. I suspect the used boats page (when up later this month) will prove more productive. — Regards,        Dave Brown        Brown’s Marina        Ontario, Canada        http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

Dave, I think you’ll find your web site will indeed sell used product better than new.   Our web site has been very sucessful in marketing brokerage boats. Although I have been told by others their web based marketing attracts buyers for smaller boats, we’ve found just the opposite to be true. Good luck       bbys floridaboats.net

Response:

Dave; For what it’s worth… I judge a new boat dealer based on before and after-sales service and that overall "comfort level" we can achieve that makes me feel that I’m being dealt with honestly and fairly and that I will be taken care of, whatever may come.  I would imagine it would be tough to get that over the web.  I would and have paid more to go with the dealer of my choice and would do so again. On used boats, it’s all a matter of price and survey, so I would agree that used boats would make a lot more sense on the web. On the other hand, maybe this just means that, if you keep at it, and find the right formula to get people to feel comfortable with buying boats off the web, maybe you will end up a gazillion-aire!  I don’t know where you are, but I have seen auto dealers that advertise that they will fly you to their dealership to see the car of your choice.  Maybe that’s what it would take to get them in the door, but you’d have to be really good at qualifying and pre-closing sales!  Just make them keep fishing or waterskiing and don’t let them back to the dock until they buy… ;o) Good Luck and Keep the Flame! – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

Response:

boy, when those Canadians vent you can just feel the flames all the way down south.

Does this signal an early spring since Dave is thawing things out early? Bruce Edwards Shreveport Yacht Club It revealed to me, down in my soul, there were two shooters on the grassy knoll, we never walked on the moon, Elvis ain’t dead, you ain’t goin’ crazy, it’s all in your head. Let us sing.

Response:

Dave; Have you found that those folks asking for quotes on 4 different boats with 16 different power options do or do not end up buying boats from you?  - Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

Response:

Yep, I think he has Carl, Tell me , does an assult rifle have enough range to hit a target in florida from ontario?? hmmm, I better go check talk.politics.guns. till then I wear my kevlar cause I emailed dave for advice yesterday – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – LOOK OUT!!! Dave’s gone postal on us!!! Sorry Dave. . . I just couldn’t resist. If that’s venting, than you’ve got a lot more paitents than I do. I do agree with unspamming your addresses though. Carl G. Craver

Response:

boy, when those Canadians vent you can just feel the flames all the way down south. Has a Canadian Mail Service Employee ever gone postal? — — Jim Proud, but feeble minded Regal Owner Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog: nobody enjoys it, and the

| It’s been a frustrating week in the e-mail department and I’m due to | vent again. | | Look folks, when you e-mail requesting information about a price or | service to anyone privately, UNSPAM you’re damn address so they don’t | have to find out after they deleted your inquiry that it bounced. | | One other pet peeve — asking for a quote on 4 models of boats with | sixteen motor options is simply unfair. Spend some time narrowing down | your search to make the request reasonable. | | The reality is, none of the people reading this post are the ones doing | this as these types of requests are usually generated by people who | surfed by my site. The reason I’m posting this is for anyone who who is | guilty of this when buying anything else on the net — think about what | you’re asking for. Reasonable requests get reasonable, timely replies. | | — | Regards, |         Dave Brown |         Brown’s Marina |         Ontario, Canada |         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca | |

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s been a frustrating week in the e-mail department and I’m due to vent again. Look folks, when you e-mail requesting information about a price or service to anyone privately, UNSPAM you’re damn address so they don’t have to find out after they deleted your inquiry that it bounced. One other pet peeve — asking for a quote on 4 models of boats with sixteen motor options is simply unfair. Spend some time narrowing down your search to make the request reasonable. The reality is, none of the people reading this post are the ones doing this as these types of requests are usually generated by people who surfed by my site. The reason I’m posting this is for anyone who who is guilty of this when buying anything else on the net — think about what you’re asking for. Reasonable requests get reasonable, timely replies. — Regards,        Dave Brown        Brown’s Marina        Ontario, Canada        http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

LOOK OUT!!! Dave’s gone postal on us!!! Sorry Dave. . . I just couldn’t resist. If that’s venting, than you’ve got a lot more paitents than I do. I do agree with unspamming your addresses though. Carl G. Craver

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It’s been a frustrating week in the e-mail department and I’m due to vent again. Look folks, when you e-mail requesting information about a price or service to anyone privately, UNSPAM you’re damn address so they don’t have to find out after they deleted your inquiry that it bounced. One other pet peeve — asking for a quote on 4 models of boats with sixteen motor options is simply unfair. Spend some time narrowing down your search to make the request reasonable. The reality is, none of the people reading this post are the ones doing this as these types of requests are usually generated by people who surfed by my site. The reason I’m posting this is for anyone who who is guilty of this when buying anything else on the net — think about what you’re asking for. Reasonable requests get reasonable, timely replies. — Regards,        Dave Brown        Brown’s Marina        Ontario, Canada        http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

I thought that only happened to me.  The one I like is the question to list the max speeds with all possible engine combos and payloads. Bill McCarty www.sandycreekws.com

Response:

It’s been a frustrating week in the e-mail department and I’m due to vent again. Look folks, when you e-mail requesting information about a price or service to anyone privately, UNSPAM you’re damn address so they don’t have to find out after they deleted your inquiry that it bounced. One other pet peeve — asking for a quote on 4 models of boats with sixteen motor options is simply unfair. Spend some time narrowing down your search to make the request reasonable. The reality is, none of the people reading this post are the ones doing this as these types of requests are usually generated by people who surfed by my site. The reason I’m posting this is for anyone who who is guilty of this when buying anything else on the net — think about what you’re asking for. Reasonable requests get reasonable, timely replies. — Regards,         Dave Brown         Brown’s Marina         Ontario, Canada         http://www.brownsmarina.on.ca

Response:

Question:

I am going to camp with a small family group in Colorado just after the 4th of July for about 4-5 days and am excited about trying my hand at fly fishing.  My brother and I have backpacked in the Wiminuche Wilderness area with our father years ago and caught a few and are ready to do it right (with flies).   Any suggestions on what type flies to bring along (in general) and any information on the Cojenos or Rio Grande Rivers would be much appreciated.  We are going to camp adjacent to the Cojenos River at a place called Mogote.  We kind of expect to ask the local area people for some advice but anything we might find out before we leave would be a big plus in the planning. Thanks in Advance. Post replies in this group or e-mail (remove "no_spam" to do so). Michael Faber

Response:

Try a bunch og attractors like Wulffs(Royal, Ausable), Humpys,H&Ls,Stimulators. Check with local fly shops for flys and stream conditions. Pick up copy of Flyfishing Sourthern Colorado by John Flick, excellent reference. Good luck.

Response:

Question:

Quesion? If I could sell you a $200.00 rod for 115.00, how many takers would I have. I have the opportunity o buy wholesale, but would have to buy quantity. I don’t want to sit on any inventory, but if I could spread the wealth and make 15.00 a rod on 100 rods I’d be perfectly happy. I don’ want to say what brand, bu it is quality.Let me know what you think. please respond by e-mail Have a super day! Please visit us at .www.teleport.com/~aafinart

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Quesion? If I could sell you a $200.00 rod for 115.00, how many takers : would I have. : I have the opportunity o buy wholesale, but would have to buy quantity. I : don’t want to sit on any inventory, but if I could spread the wealth and : make 15.00 a rod on 100 rods I’d be perfectly happy. I don’ want to say : what brand, bu it is quality.Let me know what you think. : please respond by e-mail Careful what you sell at a discount. Many of the higher brands of rods are price protected by the manufacturor. If they get wind of any discounting, you could wind up with some legal trouble. Jon Porter

Hey Jon, remember the anti trust laws? Price fixing remains illegal, and market price controls by manufacturers is also illegal.  We all know there is a degree of it but the manufactureres reactions can only be the refusal to continue doing business. MSRP is o.k., and direct agents can lose their agencies – but…for the legal sale of legally obtained merchandise pricing remains the sellers option. jg

Response:

It’s because of people like this that small legitimate custom rod builders have problems getting accounts with major brand name companies. Sage for example use to have a great program for rod builders that they droped because to many people would flood the market with wholesale priced blanks. They got smart…we got screwed….This goes along with snaggin thanks Tom Wolf

Response:

Quesion? If I could sell you a $200.00 rod for 115.00, how many takers would I have. I have the opportunity o buy wholesale, but would have to buy quantity. I don’t want to sit on any inventory, but if I could spread the wealth and make 15.00 a rod on 100 rods I’d be perfectly happy. I don’ want to say what brand, bu it is quality.Let me know what you think. please respond by e-mail <<<<<<<<<<< For typical brand name rod, maybe not a Sage or Powell, the discount a distributor gives a retailer off of the so called retail price is at least 50%.  60% or more is not unlikely.  This allows every rod to be sold at both a "discount" and healthy profit.  I have bought 50% off rods from a retailer, and I was pretty sure he wasn’t loosing money. Bill Buchman

Response:

: Careful what you sell at a discount. Many of the higher brands of rods are : price protected by the manufacturor. If they get wind of any discounting, : you could wind up with some legal trouble. : : Jon Porter : Hey Jon, remember the anti trust laws? Price fixing remains illegal, and : market price controls by manufacturers is also illegal.  We all know : there is a degree of it but the manufactureres reactions can only be the : refusal to continue doing business. MSRP is o.k., and direct agents can : lose their agencies – but…for the legal sale of legally obtained : merchandise pricing remains the sellers option. Hope I don’t start a different argument here.  ;-)  My point was that a manufacturor can set the price for his product. This is what happens with some of the big name rod companies. It would be anti-trust if the various companies got together and decided how they were going to set the prices. But that is not what is happening! It’s simply this:  Say, for instance, that SuperFisher Rod company decides to market their product. As a condition for the dealer to sell their product, the dealer has to agree not to discount it. SuperFisher Rod Company makes the exact same deal with all dealers that move their product. This prevents price wars between dealers selling SuperFisher products. It does not prevent Sage from under cutting SuperFisher in price. Their is no "trust" involved between manufacturors, and no price compitition among dealers for that ONE product. Other companies might do the same with their own product; but it is a different line, and a different price. We are having this problem now in my local area. Rumor has it that one dealer is discounting the price on some merchandise that is price protected. This males it impossible for the compeating dealers in the local market to compete. Good for the consumer, black eye for the manufacturor who has that same agreement with everybody. If they find some truth in it, the discounter will no longer receive his product. Jon Porter

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Quesion? If I could sell you a $200.00 rod for 115.00, how many takers : would I have. : I have the opportunity o buy wholesale, but would have to buy quantity. I : don’t want to sit on any inventory, but if I could spread the wealth and : make 15.00 a rod on 100 rods I’d be perfectly happy. I don’ want to say : what brand, bu it is quality.Let me know what you think. : please respond by e-mail Careful what you sell at a discount. Many of the higher brands of rods are price protected by the manufacturor. If they get wind of any discounting, you could wind up with some legal trouble. Jon Porter Hey Jon, remember the anti trust laws? Price fixing remains illegal, and market price controls by manufacturers is also illegal.  We all know there is a degree of it but the manufactureres reactions can only be the refusal to continue doing business. MSRP is o.k., and direct agents can lose their agencies – but…for the legal sale of legally obtained merchandise pricing remains the sellers option. jg

 I sometimes deal with a sports shop which used to sell sage and other fine blanks at deep discount. No more! He was reported to the mfgr. by another shop and from then on his  blanks were on continuous back-order! Doug

Response:

I wish you were even close to the truth.  Any dealer who is selling ANY rod at 50% off is losing money.  A dealer who is selling any fly rod at 50% off is either stupid AND desperate, or that dealer is dumping(at a loss), a rod because it has been discontinued by the manufacturer, or has been a dog for a couple of years.  Fly fishing businesses can be more than a hobby, and good dealers can make money, but overall margines are very low compared to other industries, and very low compared to the high cost of running a good business.  As for competing with Cabela’s and Bass Pro, it’s actually not that difficult to beat them.  For people who are only shopping for price, those big guys win their share of the battles, but for customers who want the highest quality products and best possible service along with reliable accurate information, a good fly shop beats those guys ever time.  Good fishing, Stephen Vletas

Response:

A fly fishing shop seems like a really tough business to me. The one near me (Cary, NC) went out of business, but it was located in a giant strip mall (Crossroads) that primarily has discount stores. The margins seem high. But how many times do you have to stand in line at the register? Rarely, it seems, and then it is usually only one or two people at most. The traffic is pretty slow. Lots of people pop in to look, maybe buy a few flies for a buck apiece. An occasional higher dollar item like a rod or good waders helps keep them in business. But they are losing a lot of that to Cabela’s and Bass Pro Shops through the mail these days. I have to admit I use mail order to save money many times. A fly shop almost has to be a hobby for the owner. -Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For typical brand name rod, maybe not a Sage or Powell, the discount a distributor gives a retailer off of the so called retail price is at least 50%.  60% or more is not unlikely.  This allows every rod to be sold at both a "discount" and healthy profit.  I have bought 50% off rods from a retailer, and I was pretty sure he wasn’t loosing money.

Response:

Question:

Dear Newsgroup, I appologise in advance for dredging up this recurrent question of which waders to buy. I have beeen fly fishing for about a month now and have come to realise the necessity of owning a pair of waders, however, I don’t know what sort to go for. Gortex or Neoprene, stocking with seperate boot or boot inclusive. I am looking for something that is   multi-purpose ie. can be used on rivers, lakes and streams.     Any advice will be gratefully received. J.J. Mc Dougall.

Response:

Dear Newsgroup, I appologise in advance for dredging up this recurrent question of which waders to buy. I have beeen fly fishing for about a month now and have come to realise the necessity of owning a pair of waders, however, I don’t know what sort to go for. Gortex or Neoprene, stocking with seperate boot or boot inclusive. I am looking for something that is multi-purpose ie. can be used on rivers, lakes and streams.     Any advice will be gratefully received. J.J. Mc Dougall.

Hi J.J. Mc Dougall,         I own the Simms Neoprene waders, I feel these are the best waders on the market. They are constructed with a sealed glued and taped seam much like other high quality waders but there is no crotch seam witch is the second most likly spot to spring a leak, the first being the feet of course. The feet on the sims waders are made of a much thicker neoprene and taped with a heavy tacky rubber tape to keep your feet from sliding around in your wading boot. The shoulder strap will click together so on hot days you can fold the chest half of the waders down and wear them as waist height waders. The best feature to me though is how soft they are. You will see alot of people put their neoprenes on over their pants, well they’re not realy meant for that because it gets pretty bulky under there especialy in July. Because there are so soft you don’t have to worry about any chaffing. They come in both Stocking foot and boot foot styles I prefer the stocking foot because I do alot of float tubing and the boot foot does not give you enough ankle movement, the boot foot are however more convenient, so both have pros and cons. I personaly would stay away from the gortex waders they tear easy and I’m told they leak alot they are also not nearly as versitle as neoprenes. Good Luck! Joe Weisenburger jr.

Response:

writes: I appologise in advance for dredging up this recurrent question of

which waders to buy. I have beeen fly fishing for about a month now and have come to

realise the necessity of owning a pair of waders, however, I don’t know what sort to go for.

Gortex or Neoprene, stocking with seperate boot or boot inclusive. I am looking for something that is   multi-purpose ie. can be used on rivers, lakes and streams.    Any advice will be gratefully received. J.J. Mc Dougall.

I recomend you get some catalogs, decide how much time you are willing to spend suiting up(stocking foot waders take more time to put on), how cold the weather is when you will be fishing (thickness of neoprene is some what dependent on this), how many times a year (or days) you wil be fishing(thickness also depends on this), how much money you are willing to spend on waders(life of the waders will depend on this and the previous two). Pick out waders you like inthe catalogs that fit the above criteria, go to your favorite local shop and buy the ones they have that most closely match your catalog pick(this way you have a face to talk to).

Response:

Question:

I am trying to plan my first trip to Alaska for silvers and/or steelhead. Have focused on the Kodiak area for a September trip. The outfitters I am considering are Olga Bay Lodge and Camp Kiklukh. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who has fished with these camps or can recommend a topnotch outfitter that offers quality catch and release flyfishing in Alaska or British Columbia in a remote fly-in location. I’ll be glad to pass on the info I’ve gathered to anyone who is interested.

Response:

: I am trying to plan my first trip to Alaska for silvers and/or steelhead. : Have focused on the Kodiak area for a September trip. The outfitters I am : considering are Olga Bay Lodge and Camp Kiklukh. Would appreciate hearing : from anyone who has fished with these camps or can recommend a topnotch : outfitter that offers quality catch and release flyfishing in Alaska or : British Columbia in a remote fly-in location. I’ll be glad to pass on the : info I’ve gathered to anyone who is interested. : I can shed some light on Camp Kiklukh.  My dad made that trip last year.  He went the last part of August into September.  Now, to give the whole story, he found the claims of having sea run cutthroats, Dolly Varden, and rainbows to be untrue.  He caught a couple of Dollys and *heard* of a cutt being caught. There were not many of these fish around at all.  Now, as far as the silver fishing, he said it was AWESOME! They were taken (by air) to a nearby river, the Tsiu, to fish for silvers.  Many fish in the 12-16lb. range.  Later in the trip, the water levels in the rivers closer to camp came up so the fish were able to get into these rivers. In short, he found this to be a one fish fishery. He reported the food to be excellent and the accomodations very good.  The staff were always around to help and the whole operation was well organized. If you would like some info on some other Alaskan places, please email me. Kind regards, Steve Kernosky Michigan Tech. University

Response:

My hands down favorite river is the Alagnak, which flows into Bristol Bay.  The best outfitter on the river is Charlie Summerville at Alaska’s Trophy Adventures, Box 31, King Salmon, AK, tel. 907-246-8230.  I’ve fished with Charlie many times and caught thousands of fish.  His prices are right, and you have your choice of several wilderness outcamps.  Great guides, great food and great fishing.  Give him a call and say hi for me. Bill Battles

Response:

My hands down favorite river is the Alagnak, which flows into Bristol Bay. The best outfitter on the river is Charlie Summerville at Alaska’s Trophy Adventures, Box 31, King Salmon, AK, tel. 907-246-8230.  I’ve fished with Charlie many times and caught thousands of fish.  His prices are right, and you have your choice of several wilderness outcamps.  Great guides, great food and great fishing.  Give him a call and say hi for me. Bill Battles

Gee Bill, I didn’t know there were steelhead in the Alagnak. Rhea Wood N3489Y C-185 Alaska-Based Floatplane

Response:

Hey, Rhea, you got me good on that one!  I’ll pay more attention to the "Re:" next time. Bill Battles

Response:

Question:

I related in an earlier post that I have a pair of Simms micro-fiber that I got in January and that I’m happy with them so far but – - – -I picked up a copy of the April issue of Fly Rod and Reel magazine today.  This issue includes an article about "breathable" waders in which the author describes his experiences with field testing six pairs of new waders.  The one big problem that he found with them was a tendency to develop pinhole leaks.  One pair leaked "out of the box".  A couple of more developed leaks within 20-30 hours of use.  The "best" pair developed the first leak after about 100 hours of use.   None of the leaks were in the seams.  All were due to punctures of the fabric and membrane. I’ve worn mine on about five or six trips this year with no problems but I’m extremely careful around briars and the like. Johnny

Response:

That’s all very learned, and persuasive, but what about the perhaps majority of times when one is not actually in water up to one’s cheeks — tummy-crawling up to a choice pool, hiking the mile along the old rail bed to the next less people-populated stretch, and so on?  That’s when I find the added weight (of alternative materials) and the moisture-inside problem most irritating.  So, I’ll set up a different kind of question: does the transpiration leave the sweat-salt behind (I assume it does), and if so is this a Good Thing?

Dan, I doubt there is a clear answer. However, it is unlikely that the salt and oils from the sweat traverse the Goretex effectively since they would not be transported on water vapor molecules. If there is any transport would relate to the pore size in the fabric and the size of the salt or oil molecules or aggregates. Over time they probably build up if not contained in the liner clothing underneath the Gortex and impair the water vapor exchange by clogging the holes. This may relate to the previous post suggesting to keep it clean. Gortex, in theory, is a perfect breathable fabric. In real life, my experience has been that it is less than perfect but does offer some advantages because of its breathability. I think if you were to push any of the underlying conditions to extremes then the Goretex would not perform. For example, when skiing very hard and generating mass quantities of sweat in extremely cold weather a layer of ice will form inside my Gortex jacket. Presumably the water vapor hit the temperature gradient at the inside surface of the jacket, condensed and froze. Another example would be excessive perspiration under generally average conditions. The exchange of water vapor through the fabric is through diffusion. As long as the water vapor concentration is lower outside then exchange will occur (I doubt it would work in a steam bath). This exchange is rate limited by the number and size of the pores. If your sweat-water vapor production exceeds this maximum rate for vapor transpiration it will get very humid inside the waders. Water will then condense depending on the temperature (this interaction between humidity and temperature is called the dew point; ie. the temp. at which condensate forms for a given air water content.  Thus, the intensity of exercise, the persons propensity to perspire and the temperature of the environment are all factors in your ultimate comfort. In addition, walking may help move air in and out of the top of the waders helping the loss of water vapor considerably but may be offset by the increased exercise. You did not mention if you were belly crawling through thick brush or mud. Also the level of excitement based on how "choice" the pool is may be a factor. Certainly this would alter the equation. Similarly falling in the river would require sophisticated mathematical modeling to reach an answer and would depend on the initial condition assumptions. For instance was the fall a "melt down" and was the person able to keep the flyrod arm above water or was it a head first plunge (probably would require invoking chaos theory here) and did he/she have to swim the next rapid downstream? A long fishless winter seems to lead to considering these imponderables. I am off to Telluride for a science meeting and to telemark ski, I’ll think more on this on the lifts. Best regards. Jon

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Besides the cost, is there any downside to gore-tex (breathable) waders? First, ask yourself what Gore-Tex does.  It is a semi-permiable teflon membrane, too small to let water pass, but will allow water vapor to. As far as breathability, Gore-Tex will NOT push warm water vapor from YOU into the water in which you are standing.  Thermodynamically, this is prohibitive.  (Think about it: nature loves and goes to disorder. Forcing your sweat vapor out of a mixture of air and into an environment already full of water will not happen.  Never in the history of the universe has this Spontaneously happend)  Gore-tex will allow your waders to dry from the inside and out, however in a short amount of time.  This means no more clammy feet from yesterday’s wading.  Also, if the Gore-tex is to fuction in a breathable mode, it must be the sole water barrier.  Any other barrier would retard air flow and make Gore-Tex useless.  If your membrane is damaged in some way, it will be much harder to repair.  Thank-you. That is all. Jason Beary

I dont want to argue with thermo dynamics, but I think that you are dead wrong. I have used Gore-Tex a lot riding motor cycles in _heavy_ rain ( we have loads of that during a typical Swedish summer and it really keeps the water out and lets the sweat evaporate. I can asure you that during these conditions you will normally get soaking wet just as fast as if you took a bath with your clothes on. I really can’t understand your reasoning either. It would be valid for a system without a membrane, but the membrane does just what you say: lets water molecules pass and keeps water in liquid form out. This is due to the surface tension of the water. The water on the outside will have a lower temperature than the the fisher on the inside of the membrane and this is the key to why there will be more molecules going out through the membrane than in. This leads to two things: 1) Don’t take away the water tension. You may do this by letting the Gore-Tex get dirty. So keep your waders clean. 1) Don’t wade in water warmer than your skin temperature ( ~28 C ) using Gore-Tex waders. /KK  Kjell K Kernen – More or less sane.

Response:

Besides the cost, is there any downside to gore-tex (breathable) waders? I assume that the degree of insulation required can be regulated by the clothes worn underneath. Is this reasonable? Thanks

Response:

Hi Jerry-    I hate to sound so cut and dry, but you are dead wrong. Not only does GoreTex breath underwater, it does it very well. Water logged polypro thermal underwear will dry out while wading in waist deep water under GoreTex waders. That is a lot of water for your body to vaporize and for your waders to dispell, but GoreTex waders do it. From first hand, real life (repeated) experience I can state this as a fact.    I would urge you to get out from under your book learned "facts" and test your theories under real conditions before making such pronouncements to the world. It would be a shame if someone read your words and made a fishing decision based on your "information".    Tight lines, Ralph Ralph Cutter, California School of Flyfishing. http://www.flyline.com

Response:

Question:

What’s wrong with polar bear hackle? I use grizzly hackle myself – floats well too, once you remove the claws.

Response:

mr. bulldog- badger refers to the patterning of the feathers, not the type of animal the fur/ feather came from-if you think about this, there is also grizzly hackle, and i believe something called "furnace" hackle which definitely did not come from a furnace…

: Could this be related to Badger hackle?  You guys have been ragging, but : I haven’t seen hackle on a badger, but every fly tier knows, that they : sell badger hackle! : Give the dude a break…hey, I should talk, but I DO have a question?   : Does anyone know where I can get Kodiak hackle? : Bulldog : #                         |  "I am neither loitering nor trespassing.     # : # Paul "Cousin" Graham    |   I have simply chosen an advisable location  # : #                         |     – from the movie, ‘Fletch’                #

Response:

Whatever turns you on !

Seems every year they pull someone out of the polar bear compound who apparently tried that. Seems it’s not too healthy. multitudes of synthetic "furs" available out there? I’ve been tying pike streamers with Super Hair lately. Ties nice if all you want is a straight streamer, but I’d like something with some flare (as in flares like deer hair). Any suggestions? JL 8-Wt Editor

Response:

Hmmm . . . Must be one of them flying polar bears I’ve heared tell about. Could be dangerous if one o’ them critters gets confused an’ lands on some statue down in Nu Yawk City! But, I guess you could get some mighty big necks off one of ‘em! JL 8-Wt Editor

Whatever turns you on ! Pete Marrow, Global Seismology Research Group, British Geological Survey, Murchison House, West Mains Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3LA. UK. tel: 031-667-1000          Fax: 031-667-1877  

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – mr. bulldog- badger refers to the patterning of the feathers, not the type of animal the fur/ feather came from-if you think about this, there is also grizzly hackle, and i believe something called "furnace" hackle which definitely did not come from a furnace… : Could this be related to Badger hackle?  You guys have been ragging, but : I haven’t seen hackle on a badger, but every fly tier knows, that they : sell badger hackle! : Give the dude a break…hey, I should talk, but I DO have a question?   : Does anyone know where I can get Kodiak hackle? : Bulldog

Mr. Santos, I KNOW why badger and grizzly hackle are so named, but I decided to make a joke.  Whew, I guess you didn’t get the hint from my last question/sentence.  Anyway, I hope that one day, everyone will spend as much on their sense of humor as they do their fly fishing equipment (and some should fork out a little more)! Ruf, Bulldog #                         |  "I am neither loitering nor trespassing.     # # Paul "Cousin" Graham    |   I have simply chosen an advisable location  # #                         |     – from the movie, ‘Fletch’                #

Response:

: mr. bulldog- : : badger refers to the patterning of the feathers, not the type of animal the fur/ : feather came from-if you think about this, there is also grizzly hackle, and And I thought "grizzly hackle" referred to some of those road-kill birds I’ve been known to drag home! Charley

Response:

I recently saw and ad in Flyfishermens Mag. about some guys who sells polar bear hackle.  I was curious to see if anyone has ever used or knows much about it.  

Response:

I recently saw and ad in Flyfishermens Mag. about some guys who sells polar bear hackle.

Hmmm . . . Must be one of them flying polar bears I’ve heared tell about. Could be dangerous if one o’ them critters gets confused an’ lands on some statue down in Nu Yawk City! But, I guess you could get some mighty big necks off one of ‘em! JL 8-Wt Editor

Response:

Could this be related to Badger hackle?  You guys have been ragging, but I haven’t seen hackle on a badger, but every fly tier knows, that they sell badger hackle! Give the dude a break…hey, I should talk, but I DO have a question?   Does anyone know where I can get Kodiak hackle? Bulldog #                         |  "I am neither loitering nor trespassing.     # # Paul "Cousin" Graham    |   I have simply chosen an advisable location  # #                         |     – from the movie, ‘Fletch’                #

Response: