Know nothing about fly fishing. Was in Colorado River County park Parker, AZ couple weeks ago. They have a pond next to the river and separated by net. A lady sitting there keep throwing hook(?) out and keep getting trout(?) up. The waiting time is like couple minutes. It must be the place to build your confidence. My wife had a chat with her. She is from Washington State and been there for 3 months now.

Wonder if it is the same lady that was hauling in nice catfish last year using hot dogs for bait? LZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – =

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 VC is 20 minutes down the road.  I could certianly take you on a tour if your in the area and show you some stuff that is not on the brochures.

Been to Virginia City and loved it!  Will let you know next time. Hunter

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Know nothing about fly fishing. Was in Colorado River County park Parker, AZ couple weeks ago. They have a pond next to the river and separated by net. A lady sitting there keep throwing hook(?) out and keep getting trout(?) up. The waiting time is like couple minutes. It must be the place to build your confidence. My wife had a chat with her. She is from Washington State and been there for 3 months now. =OK.  I got a new RV so I could get on the road and not worry about the oil =leaks and dry rot on the older 76 rig.  I love that old rig, but would not =take it more than 100 miles from home (my safety zone).  Now I’m free.  I =added a 2000/4000 watt inverter and solar panels so I could boondock and not =have to listen to the generator and I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh =dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I =can boondock, but don’t have to. = =I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to =walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV =but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a =few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday =present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my =own creations. = =So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week =vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of =April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going =to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a =shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why =would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. = =I’m getting so excited about this I can’t focus at work. = =Thanks for any suggestions. = =Nate = — E-Mail: Cool Underscore Underscore Hand at Hotmail DOT KOM FAX: 775-243-6288 One of the BEST Free GPS Mapping Program Garmap http://www.catnet.ne.jp/fukuda/garmap/e_garmap.html Since people makes mistakes, how can we trust any interpretation of anything?

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I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations.

You’re asking the wrong newsgroup. Take this question to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly for ideas on where to go in your area, there are posters there who live in your vicinity. And also check into rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying for the obvious reason.

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<snip I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences.

<snip Have you been to the Hat Creek area in No. California?  It’s world famous for it’s fly fishing – don’t know about turkey season.  There are several Forest Service Campgrounds on Hat Creek that runs along Highway 89 north of Lassen Park.  One that is out of the way and right on the creek is Big Pine, part of the Lassen National Forest campground system.  I believe that it can handle units up to 26′ in length but it might be 24′ and they only have about 20 sites.  There are several others in the area but many are right next to the Highway and not as quiet during the day.  You can look at some of them at their website: http://www.r5.fs.fed.us/lassen/hat_creek.htm.  Weather would still be a bit on the cool side at night but daytime temps should be pleasant and the countryside is hard to beat. Baby Sis

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK.  I got a new RV so I could get on the road and not worry about the oil leaks and dry rot on the older 76 rig.  I love that old rig, but would not take it more than 100 miles from home (my safety zone).  Now I’m free.  I added a 2000/4000 watt inverter and solar panels so I could boondock and not have to listen to the generator and I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I can boondock, but don’t have to. I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. I’m getting so excited about this I can’t focus at work. Thanks for any suggestions. Nate

I liked the Laughlin area (way far south Nevada, about 100 Miles S of LV), right by the Colorado river, very warm (even in the winter), has a few lakes, lots of RV parks, lots to do, Bull Head City and Kingman AZ across the river, lots of boondocking places not far away, and even a bit further south is Lake Havasu. I liked it so much I went there for vacation for two weeks, and ended up staying 6 months. Laughlin, Nevada – Laughlin Nevada’s Official Web Site. Check out their website at: http://www.enjoylaughlin.com/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK.  I got a new RV so I could get on the road and not worry about the oil leaks and dry rot on the older 76 rig.  I love that old rig, but would not take it more than 100 miles from home (my safety zone).  Now I’m free.  I added a 2000/4000 watt inverter and solar panels so I could boondock and not have to listen to the generator and I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I can boondock, but don’t have to. I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. I’m getting so excited about this I can’t focus at work. Thanks for any suggestions. Nate

A friend of ours can’t wait to get back to Oregon for the spring salmon fishing on the Umpqua.  I think the season opens on the 23rd of March. Spring turkey hunting would be pretty iffy.  I don’t know of any state that sells non-resident licenses over the counter, except maybe in the south.  Many are by lottery only and you have to apply long in advance. Have fun. LZ

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 So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences.

If I got a new rig I would do a shakedown weekend up the hill in Virginia City. Hunter

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… I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I can boondock, but don’t have to.

Hey, Nate. What are you going to do with the "used" water? Maybe you could pump it into a couple of empty 50 gallon drums, carried for the purpose. I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.

… Any place in the Great Basin is going to have cold nights. If you don’t mind a bit of snow, in addition to the cold nights, how ’bout the Ruby Mountains, about 10 miles south of Elko? There’s a Nat’l Forest campground there (check to Web). –RW

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 So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. If I got a new rig I would do a shakedown weekend up the hill in Virginia City. Hunter

I failed to mention that I did 26 shake down trips to various lakes in Northern California and North Western Nevada last summer.  Been there, done that.  VC is 20 minutes down the road.  I could certianly take you on a tour if your in the area and show you some stuff that is not on the brochures. We used to hunt rattle snakes in the area so bring some snake shot!  Yikes! Nate

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OK.  I got a new RV so I could get on the road and not worry about the oil leaks and dry rot on the older 76 rig.  I love that old rig, but would not take it more than 100 miles from home (my safety zone).  Now I’m free.  I added a 2000/4000 watt inverter and solar panels so I could boondock and not have to listen to the generator and I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I can boondock, but don’t have to. I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. I’m getting so excited about this I can’t focus at work. Thanks for any suggestions. Nate

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July 24,25.26,27  Gosh, I hope you can make it.  You are going to be missing a wonderful party if you dont.  LOL

I  put it on my calendar, I have been watching the fares.  It is on a weekend so there is not too much time off.  It would be a blast  to attend one of the Midwest/East coast gimpfests.  – MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My son rowed the Middle Fork last year and came back saying he wants to move to Idaho. He’s applied for this year too, also in June. I’ll have to call him today to see if he’s heard yet. Did you get an early enough date to be able to contiunue on down the main part of the river? That’s their strategy- I guess there’s a window of opportunity if the timing is right. Usually it is the Middlefork that has the limitation on water the first day or until you reach Indian Creek, then the flow almost doubles.  Main Salmon is always runnable.  It is a lousy water year, but I am hoping runoff will last long enough to get us through the first day or 2 after that the flows increase. I can imagine your son loved it, it is  an amazing river even after all the fires.  – MZ

Well, it’s not too late to pray for more snow! last year April was very productive I understand. All this talk–has me dreaming about kayaking the Green River again. I did that a number of years ago before I got RA.  Flat water but wonderful. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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We will also try to get a permit for the Main Salmon.  If we can score a permit for the main stem Salmon it means we will do the Middlefork then float down to the put-in on the Main Salmon and do back to back trips totaling about 200 miles.

Ooops, obviously I didn’t read on down the thread before posting! too exciting! Cynthia

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My son rowed the Middle Fork last year and came back saying he wants to move to Idaho. He’s applied for this year too, also in June. I’ll have to call him today to see if he’s heard yet. Did you get an early enough date to be able to contiunue on down the main part of the river? That’s their strategy- I guess there’s a window of opportunity if the timing is right.

Usually it is the Middlefork that has the limitation on water the first day or until you reach Indian Creek, then the flow almost doubles.  Main Salmon is always runnable.  It is a lousy water year, but I am hoping runoff will last long enough to get us through the first day or 2 after that the flows increase. I can imagine your son loved it, it is  an amazing river even after all the fires.  – MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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Thank you for the compliment.  I hope we have a good flow in June for you. It is beautiful.  I packed back into Big Creek, a tributary of the Salmon, on horses when I was 18.  Dad and Unc were after goats and sheep.  They filled both.  It was literally an experience of a lifetime.  I am now 56 and Dad and Unc are 83 and 79.  Wish we had more pictures. I wish you the best and I can imagine how excited you are.

You have a beautiful State and the Middlefork is really magical, it is one of my most favorite rivers (and I have done a fair number of rivers).  I put it in the top 3 right next to the Grand Canyon. You can’t compare the Grand and Middlefork they are apples and oranges.  I always try to read the history when I go.  I have read about the Sheepeaters and the wars.  If we get a Main Salmon permit we go right past the Polly Beamis homestead.  I love reading river lore.  I read the book Thousand Pieces of Gold about Polly Beamis when I ran the Salmon.  On the Rogue I enjoy reading Hathaway Jones stories out loud; everyone gets into hysterics, they are tall tales.  Fun to dig out the history.   If you have any good book suggestions for that area let me know. Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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What a blast we will be launching in June!

Hmmmmm.  Does that free you up for Gimpfest in July? Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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What a blast we will be launching in June! Hmmmmm.  Does that free you up for Gimpfest in July? Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. We’re all in this together."  Red Green

When is the Gimpfest?  I have a request  in Travelocity to watch for good fares to Des Moines.  We will be gone until early July,  a bit longer if the Main Sa;lmon permit is obtained. — MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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July 24-27 http://www.fadedjeans.com/iowa/ Duckie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What a blast we will be launching in June! Hmmmmm.  Does that free you up for Gimpfest in July? Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’. We’re all in this together."  Red Green When is the Gimpfest?  I have a request  in Travelocity to watch for good fares to Des Moines.  We will be gone until early July,  a bit longer if the Main Sa;lmon permit is obtained. — MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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July 24,25.26,27  Gosh, I hope you can make it.  You are going to be missing a wonderful party if you dont.  LOL Char "Remember, I’m pulling for ya’.  We’re all in this together."  Red Green

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I just got the word one of my boating buddies drew a permit for the Idaho’s Middlefork of the Salmon!   I love rowing the Middlefork it is one of my all time favorite rivers and an extremely difficult permit to get.  What a blast we will be launching in June!  Sorry I know this is way OTP but this is really exciting news. — MZ

Lucky You! My son rowed the Middle Fork last year and came back saying he wants to move to Idaho. He’s applied for this year too, also in June. I’ll have to call him today to see if he’s heard yet. Did you get an early enough date to be able to contiunue on down the main part of the river? That’s their strategy- I guess there’s a window of opportunity if the timing is right. Cynthia

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Have you ever examined the info on the Sheepeater Indians?  They populated the area and that is where the petroglyphs came from.  You can still see depressions in some of the banks that were where they camped. — Val in Boise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We will also try to get a permit for the Main Salmon.  If we can score a permit for the main stem Salmon it means we will do the Middlefork then float down to the put-in on the Main Salmon and do back to back trips totaling about 200 miles.  We did the Middlefork last in 1997 managed to pick-up a canceled permit for the Main Salmon 2 days before we departed for the trip.  It is awesome crystal clear water, canyons, mountains, hot springs, elk, big horn, petroglyphs, and the best fly fishing you will find anywhere.  First day of the Middlefork is non-stop rapids, not overwhelming but you have to pay attention. Our party usually breaks at least 1 oar in that stretch because it is shallow. Picking up a canceled permits mean we have to call almost every day starting in late March. This is one of the classic western river trips.  I have been bouncing off the walls all day.  – MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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Thank you for the compliment.  I hope we have a good flow in June for you. It is beautiful.  I packed back into Big Creek, a tributary of the Salmon, on horses when I was 18.  Dad and Unc were after goats and sheep.  They filled both.  It was literally an experience of a lifetime.  I am now 56 and Dad and Unc are 83 and 79.  Wish we had more pictures. I wish you the best and I can imagine how excited you are. — Val in Boise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got the word one of my boating buddies drew a permit for the Idaho’s Middlefork of the Salmon!   I love rowing the Middlefork it is one of my all time favorite rivers and an extremely difficult permit to get.  What a blast we will be launching in June!  Sorry I know this is way OTP but this is really exciting news. — MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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I just got the word one of my boating buddies drew a permit for the Idaho’s Middlefork of the Salmon!   I love rowing the Middlefork it is one of my all time favorite rivers and an extremely difficult permit to get.  What a blast we will be launching in June!  Sorry I know this is way OTP but this is really exciting news. — MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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Sent this along to John. You just never know. Duckie I just got the word one of my boating buddies drew a permit for the Idaho’s Middlefork of the Salmon!   I love rowing the Middlefork it is one of my all time favorite rivers and an extremely difficult permit to get.  What a blast we will be launching in June!  Sorry I know this is way OTP but this is really exciting news. — MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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I just got the word one of my boating buddies drew a permit for the Idaho’s Middlefork of the Salmon!   I love rowing the Middlefork it is one of my all time favorite rivers and an extremely difficult permit to get.  What a blast we will be launching in June!  Sorry I know this is way OTP but this is really exciting news. — MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

Wonderful!  How are you gonna stand the wait until June? — Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me "To array a man’s will against his sickness is the supreme art of medicine." …Henry Ward Beecher

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Welll as usual, I will expect a vicarious thrill.  Congrats M

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We will also try to get a permit for the Main Salmon.  If we can score a permit for the main stem Salmon it means we will do the Middlefork then float down to the put-in on the Main Salmon and do back to back trips totaling about 200 miles.  We did the Middlefork last in 1997 managed to pick-up a canceled permit for the Main Salmon 2 days before we departed for the trip.  It is awesome crystal clear water, canyons, mountains, hot springs, elk, big horn, petroglyphs, and the best fly fishing you will find anywhere.  First day of the Middlefork is non-stop rapids, not overwhelming but you have to pay attention. Our party usually breaks at least 1 oar in that stretch because it is shallow. Picking up a canceled permits mean we have to call almost every day starting in late March. This is one of the classic western river trips.  I have been bouncing off the walls all day.  – MZ Visit my website: http://www.mzuschlag.com

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Hello everyone! I’ve really enjoyed a couple of fish documentaries I’ve seen on TV lately. I thought I’d prepare for the cabin fever by getting a couple of such documentaries (or just general fishing stories) on DVD, if I could find some good ones. Anyone seen any good river/fish documentaries or fishing programs on DVD? — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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Hello everyone! I’ve really enjoyed a couple of fish documentaries I’ve seen on TV lately. I thought I’d prepare for the cabin fever by getting a couple of such documentaries (or just general fishing stories) on DVD, if I could find some good ones. Anyone seen any good river/fish documentaries or fishing programs on DVD?

Fly Fishing Yellowstone Hatches, w/ Craig Mathews

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Anyone seen any good river/fish documentaries or fishing programs on DVD?

Jeff Fly Fishing Yellowstone Hatches, w/ Craig Mathews Looks pretty interesting, thanks. — Jarmo Hurri address or apply rot13 to header email address.

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My wife and I are looking to spend that last three weeks in Nov on the White River fly fishing.  We would prefer a cabin on the river and would posibly like a guide or two while there.  Does anyone have a suggestion of lodging and guide? — Stay connected, Carl D. Sgro

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Carl – I would Highly recommend the Fulton’s lodge – Dale and Rona have a nice situation going – I have stayed there many times and they are the hosts for SRG(Southern Rodmakers Gathering) – here is a link with their info – http://www.mtnhome.net/fultons/ Wayne

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Carl – I would Highly recommend the Fulton’s lodge – Dale and Rona have a nice situation going – I have stayed there many times and they are the hosts for SRG(Southern Rodmakers Gathering) – here is a link with their info – http://www.mtnhome.net/fultons/ Wayne

I have stayed at Dale Fulton’s place too and will be back again.  He also owns a nice fly shop there in MT Home, called Blue Ribbon. You will need to call ahead though as it is a popular place.  Well situated for both the White and the N.Fork River nearby (when the generators hose up the water and you’re without in the boat dept.) If you get the chance make a date to hit the Rainbow Lodge on the Little Red too.  Nice large trout and good access. K

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Hi All, October is the month you want to take off from work so you can fish for everything we have in the state. With the kids back in school and hunting season started there are less people fishing. Many trout streams pick up with the cooler fall temperatures. Flows are low and there are fall hatches. Brown trout are moving upstream to spawn.(Upper Sac, McCloud, Pit, Hat Creek, Fall River, East Carson, East Walker….) Lakes are cooling off so the trout are coming back to the surface to feed up for winter. ( Davis, Frenchmans,Almanor, Eagle, Crowley….) There are steelhead and salmon in all the rivers open to the ocean. (Klamath, Trinity, Lower Sac, Lower Feather, Lower Yuba, Lower American….) The stripers are schooling in the Sacramento Delta and the black bass have become active with the cooler water temps of fall. I guess the only fisheries that is not going in the fall is the American shad ? Try to plan a good trip this October so you can enjoy some good fly fishing. With the cooler temps you can fish all day too. If you need help planning a good trip or need the name of a good FF guide just let me know. It is pretty hard to have a bad trip in October in California. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com Toll free USA 1-800-400-0359

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It is pretty hard to have a bad trip in October in California.

If this was from *anywhere* but CA, it wouldn’t have been near as funny. <g — TL, Tim

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Here’s a few shots of the river. http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/nith-1.jpg http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/nith-2.jpg http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/nith-3.jpg

Nice shrubbery!

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Here’s a few shots of the river. http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/nith-1.jpg http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/nith-2.jpg http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/nith-3.jpg Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

Very pretty.  There are a couple of stretches like that that I’ve fished, but this looks as if the whole river might be open and mellow. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Here’s a few shots of the river. http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/nith-1.jpg http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/nith-2.jpg http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/nith-3.jpg

Looks like easy wading at least…

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Very pretty.  There are a couple of stretches like that that I’ve fished, but this looks as if the whole river might be open and mellow.

that is a good description of it but the flow rate is down quite a bit.  I figure it’s about 6" to 12" below normal levels so the big fish bunch up in a few holes, making them easy pickings for the bucket brigade.  These long glides look like perfect trout water, even the temps are not bad, yet I’ve not encountered a single young steelhead. The shallows contain the most amazing amount and variety of minnow life, I’ve ever seen.  What is really encouraging, among them are hordes of young smallies.  This river has neat "hatches" – minnows jumping out of the water all over the place, fleeing the omnipresent smallie. BTW, went out yesterday and fished some of the same water.  I didn’t do nearly as well as though I did lose a clouser to a thumping smash from a northern.  It’s fall fair time and they have helicopter rides. Guess who was the star attraction on the River Nith?  "Look folks! There’s a guy fly fishing.  Let’s take a closer look and see if he’s catching anything."  After somewhere between 30 and 40 passes, what I wouldn’t have done for an AK-47.  A chopper thumping up the river valley doesn’t do much for the catch rate.  On one pass, he dropped down below the height of the riverside trees, coming straight at me. He would’ve looked real good in a ring sight.  Oh, and there was plenty of fresh worm sign too.  No wonder things were a little slower than Friday. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Here’s a few shots of the river. http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/nith-1.jpg http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/nith-2.jpg http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/nith-3.jpg Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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40 min from the house…?…nice spot…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Nith River was a real treat.  Thanks to low water and other abuses, a lot of the rivers around here don’t look so good but the Nith shows every sign of being very healthy.  The alewives were all fat and spunky, literally hundreds of them in every shallow riffle, and the smallies!  Each deep pool had an ordering of smallies. the little baby ones were scampering about the shallows, their older siblings hung along the edges of the pools while the big old buggers camped out in the deep middle.  A fly drawn in close would have a trail of ten or more little guys all taking turns nipping the tail. I’m used to seeing a smallie here and there, I can’t remember literally seeing dozens and dozens in one small area.  I was also pleased to see the obvious health of all of the age classes – there didn’t appear to be gaps – seeing 3" fish and catching everything from 6" to 14" plus hooking even larger.  All of this only a 100 yards from the access point.  If the GRCA website can be believed, it also has some browns and now I’m damn sure that I had a very large brown on yesterday.  I had it on for over a minute though I didn’t get it close enough to see it, the fish fought so different from the other large smallies it had to be a large trout.  The river also has pike and walleye but the take wasn’t pike-like at all and it fought too well for a walleye (unless it was a friggin’ huge walleye.) At this access point, the Nith is still a decent sized river, about as wide as Penns in some places but without the flow rates.  It’s a spate river, winding through agricultural land but a healthy riparian strip has been maintained long much of its length so the water quality is better than average for rivers in this part of the world.  The bottom is mostly gravel and cobble, providing for easy wading and access doesn’t require mountain goat DNA (and no rhodos either).  It has multiple access points, a minimum of postings, plus it’s not far from Whiteman’s Creek either.  It could easily support a group of anglers along this section without crowding, and though there are signs that some people come to fish it, It doesn’t show the evidence of pressure. This is a standard regulations river, so normal seasons, limits, and all tackle and baits in the regulations are legal. All of this only 40 minutes from the house. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

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The Nith River was a real treat.  Thanks to low water and other abuses, a lot of the rivers around here don’t look so good but the Nith shows every sign of being very healthy.  The alewives were all fat and spunky, literally hundreds of them in every shallow riffle, and the smallies!  Each deep pool had an ordering of smallies. the little baby ones were scampering about the shallows, their older siblings hung along the edges of the pools while the big old buggers camped out in the deep middle.  A fly drawn in close would have a trail of ten or more little guys all taking turns nipping the tail. I’m used to seeing a smallie here and there, I can’t remember literally seeing dozens and dozens in one small area.  I was also pleased to see the obvious health of all of the age classes – there didn’t appear to be gaps – seeing 3" fish and catching everything from 6" to 14" plus hooking even larger.  All of this only a 100 yards from the access point.  If the GRCA website can be believed, it also has some browns and now I’m damn sure that I had a very large brown on yesterday.  I had it on for over a minute though I didn’t get it close enough to see it, the fish fought so different from the other large smallies it had to be a large trout.  The river also has pike and walleye but the take wasn’t pike-like at all and it fought too well for a walleye (unless it was a friggin’ huge walleye.) At this access point, the Nith is still a decent sized river, about as wide as Penns in some places but without the flow rates.  It’s a spate river, winding through agricultural land but a healthy riparian strip has been maintained long much of its length so the water quality is better than average for rivers in this part of the world.  The bottom is mostly gravel and cobble, providing for easy wading and access doesn’t require mountain goat DNA (and no rhodos either).  It has multiple access points, a minimum of postings, plus it’s not far from Whiteman’s Creek either.  It could easily support a group of anglers along this section without crowding, and though there are signs that some people come to fish it, It doesn’t show the evidence of pressure. This is a standard regulations river, so normal seasons, limits, and all tackle and baits in the regulations are legal. All of this only 40 minutes from the house. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …  snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person.  An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River."  

I think the possessive represents who owns the discovery, not who actually owns the river.  We have a bird out here called the Clark’s Nutcracker.  It was named by Clark. Besides, if you remove the apostrophe and keep the s it becomes a plural, not at all what was intended. Chas

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noted diver F Reid notes: out here got it bass ackwards.  The hatches happen when the stinking sun is high and bright!

Come on up to the Tulpehocken when it rains, it is close to the only time I fish the place. I would note that cloudy(not rainy) days are by far the best on Penns for just the reasons Willi observed.                    just wanted to post                    into a thread whose                    title included Waynes Crabs,                    Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …  snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person.  An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River."

BUZZ! Apostrophes are used to denote possession, literal or figurative.  Thus, Deere’s tractors are those designed and or built by a company named after and or founded by one John Deere.  Presumably (I know little of the history of this company or its products) John Deere himself once owned the entire company or at least a controlling interest.  At that time it would have been natural to presume that all the tractors built by the company "belonged" to Mr. Deere in some reasonable literal sense.  After his demise (or other divestiture in the company) none of the tractors would have belonged to him literally but still did so in a figurative sense.  It seems unnatural to those of us familiar with said products to refer to them as Deere’s tractors because common usage dictates that they be referred to as "John Deere" tractors, but there are many other products who’s names do or at least could rely on the possessive apostrophe.  Uncle Ben’s rice comes immediately to mind. Now, I don’t know whether the apostrophe is actually used on this product (instant rice is an abomination……it is not allowed in my pantry), but I suspect that no one would object to its use in this context……whether or not there ever actually WAS an uncle Ben to whom it may or may not have belonged.  There are many other examples of the ambiguity of ownership.  Beethoven may once have owned a fifth or even several, but the odds are that he drank the several (thus making ownership moot while doing nothing to resolve the question of apostrophe’s) and, given copyright conventions (or to put it more bluntly, the lack thereof) of his day, the other one pretty much ceased to belong to him the day it was first aired in public.   And what are we to make of the apostrophe’s use?  What exactly, does it own? Wolfgang

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     …  snip …    …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not  be, an apostrophe in any river name.    Why not?    Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person.  An oft-used  example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after  William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it  ever, "Clark’s River."       I think the possessive represents who owns the discovery, not who   actually owns the river.  We have a bird out here called the Clark’s   Nutcracker.  It was named by Clark.     Besides, if you remove the apostrophe and keep the s it becomes a   plural, not at all what was intended. I agree with you Chas. From what I understand, not using an apostrophe was just a convention that was adopted by topographers. I also think that it’s one of those rules that is "violated" so much that either usage is now correct. Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …  snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person.  An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River."   I think the possessive represents who owns the discovery, not who actually owns the river.  

Er, no.  For example, if one actually owns the body of water (such as a pond or lake), then it would be "Clark’s Pond," as opposed to one simply named after someone. We have a bird out here called the Clark’s Nutcracker.  It was named by Clark.

Are you sure?  Maybe it named for Clark’s Nutcracker… Besides, if you remove the apostrophe and keep the s it becomes a plural, not at all what was intended. Chas

You’re actually a pair of Cha? TC, R

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …  snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person.  An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River." BUZZ! Apostrophes are used to denote possession, literal or figurative.  Thus, Deere’s tractors are those designed and or built by a company named after and or founded by one John Deere.  Presumably (I know little of the history of this company or its products) John Deere himself once owned the entire company or at least a controlling interest.  At that time it would have been natural to presume that all the tractors built by the company "belonged" to Mr. Deere in some reasonable literal sense.  After his demise (or other divestiture in the company) none of the tractors would have belonged to him literally but still did so in a figurative sense.  It seems unnatural to those of us familiar with said products to refer to them as Deere’s tractors because common usage dictates that they be referred to as "John Deere" tractors, but there are many other products who’s names do or at least could rely on the possessive apostrophe.  Uncle Ben’s rice comes immediately to mind. Now, I don’t know whether the apostrophe is actually used on this product (instant rice is an abomination……it is not allowed in my pantry), but I suspect that no one would object to its use in this context……whether or not there ever actually WAS an uncle Ben to whom it may or may not have belonged.  There are many other examples of the ambiguity of ownership.  Beethoven may once have owned a fifth or even several, but the odds are that he drank the several (thus making ownership moot while doing nothing to resolve the question of apostrophe’s) and, given copyright conventions (or to put it more bluntly, the lack thereof) of his day, the other one pretty much ceased to belong to him the day it was first aired in public.   And what are we to make of the apostrophe’s use?  What exactly, does it own? Wolfgang

BZZT! Both John Deere and Uncle Ben’s are trade names, and so, they are meaningless as to the grammar, spelling, etc. – you could have "Clark’s Klarcs Barz," whose slogan is "Made with Uncle Ben’z Arrowz, so eat ‘em on Jonn Deare’s tractors…" TC, R

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   Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather.        Willi             Yah know Willi, I grew up with that.  From California and Korea to the UK     and Germany.  Fishing ain’t worth a damn unless its cloudy with a bit of     wind to break up the surface.  Came out the the right coast, didn’t go     fishing unless the day was cloudy so I could hit a hatch.  Guess what, these     suckers out here got it bass ackwards.  The hatches happen when the stinking     sun is high and bright!  Jeez-O-Pete!  I was here a year before I found a     decent hatch.  Can’t they do anything right out here? There was an argument about this earlier on ROFF but I believe that some insects hatch out more prolifically during inclement weather. BWO’s fit into this catagory. However, agree with that or not, trout don’t like bright direct sunlight. Especially in low clear water, trout are reluctant to come out and establish feeding  stations to surface feed on a bright sunny day. The other day was a good example. I was out early and the fish were avidly feeding on emerging Trico duns. Then the sun became direct on the water and the feeding stopped even though the spinner fall that happened later resulted in more bugs on the water than when the duns were hatching and they were easier pickings because they are dead. Willi Willi

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in jan 2001, wally and i resorted to traveling up to tennessee to fish the watauga tailwater.  all the streams in the mountains of nc were frozen over and unfishable – really.  the only time we saw bugs coming off (wally says they were bwo) was when the sun shone for a while.  the fish would get active and we’d catch the hell out of them.  then the sun would go behind the clouds and the hatch would stop, along with the catch. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather.   Willi   Yah know Willi, I grew up with that.  From California and Korea to the UK   and Germany.  Fishing ain’t worth a damn unless its cloudy with a bit of   wind to break up the surface.  Came out the the right coast, didn’t go   fishing unless the day was cloudy so I could hit a hatch.  Guess what, these   suckers out here got it bass ackwards.  The hatches happen when the stinking   sun is high and bright!  Jeez-O-Pete!  I was here a year before I found a   decent hatch.  Can’t they do anything right out here? There was an argument about this earlier on ROFF but I believe that some insects hatch out more prolifically during inclement weather. BWO’s fit into this catagory. However, agree with that or not, trout don’t like bright direct sunlight. Especially in low clear water, trout are reluctant to come out and establish feeding  stations to surface feed on a bright sunny day. The other day was a good example. I was out early and the fish were avidly feeding on emerging Trico duns. Then the sun became direct on the water and the feeding stopped even though the spinner fall that happened later resulted in more bugs on the water than when the duns were hatching and they were easier pickings because they are dead. Willi Willi

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yeah, yeah…but i was talking about fork flies…<g. jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …  snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not? Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person.  An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River." BUZZ! Apostrophes are used to denote possession, literal or figurative.  Thus, Deere’s tractors are those designed and or built by a company named after and or founded by one John Deere.  Presumably (I know little of the history of this company or its products) John Deere himself once owned the entire company or at least a controlling interest.  At that time it would have been natural to presume that all the tractors built by the company "belonged" to Mr. Deere in some reasonable literal sense.  After his demise (or other divestiture in the company) none of the tractors would have belonged to him literally but still did so in a figurative sense.  It seems unnatural to those of us familiar with said products to refer to them as Deere’s tractors because common usage dictates that they be referred to as "John Deere" tractors, but there are many other products who’s names do or at least could rely on the possessive apostrophe.  Uncle Ben’s rice comes immediately to mind. Now, I don’t know whether the apostrophe is actually used on this product (instant rice is an abomination……it is not allowed in my pantry), but I suspect that no one would object to its use in this context……whether or not there ever actually WAS an uncle Ben to whom it may or may not have belonged.  There are many other examples of the ambiguity of ownership.  Beethoven may once have owned a fifth or even several, but the odds are that he drank the several (thus making ownership moot while doing nothing to resolve the question of apostrophe’s) and, given copyright conventions (or to put it more bluntly, the lack thereof) of his day, the other one pretty much ceased to belong to him the day it was first aired in public.   And what are we to make of the apostrophe’s use?  What exactly, does it own? Wolfgang

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Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. Willi

Yah know Willi, I grew up with that.  From California and Korea to the UK and Germany.  Fishing ain’t worth a damn unless its cloudy with a bit of wind to break up the surface.  Came out the the right coast, didn’t go fishing unless the day was cloudy so I could hit a hatch.  Guess what, these suckers out here got it bass ackwards.  The hatches happen when the stinking sun is high and bright!  Jeez-O-Pete!  I was here a year before I found a decent hatch.  Can’t they do anything right out here? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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…  snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name.

Why not? Chas

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you’re one evil geezer…<g jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff Miller writes: …i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval Well, I hope there will be some dry fly action, Jeffy.  It’s beginning to look like Fortenberry was right.  The long term forcast calls for "snow showers" in that part of Idaho during the clave.  Damn, Fortenberry, FORTENBERRY, was right.  Looks like I’m gonna hafta rent the Humvee instead of the Lincoln.  Why didn’t Warren warn us about this?   d;o)

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…  snip … …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name. Why not?

Because to do so indicates it is owned by the person.  An oft-used example, and an easy way to remember, is Clarks River, named after William Clark – it isn’t his, and never was – IOW, it isn’t, nor was it ever, "Clark’s River."   TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Chas

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i will self-flagellate while facing southwest…<g jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval that he thought might garner a look from an idaho trout… thanks fellers… it’ll be fun fishin the flies you picked, and i can blame your poor selections if i don’t do too well. <g oh…and wayne hart sent me a box of his "crab" flies to test on the carolina redfish this fall.  an interesting creation, and can’t wait to give em a try. thanks wayne… thought i’d give a public "thank you" simply to underscore a bit of the benefits of this place. jeff Ah…from the subject header, I thought your esteemed colleague had been, er, "Mercedes shopping in all the wrong places…"  Weren’t sure why you were thanking him, though… <G…outside the box, doncha know… TC, R …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name.

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…i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval that he thought might garner a look from an idaho trout… thanks fellers… it’ll be fun fishin the flies you picked, and i can blame your poor selections if i don’t do too well. <g oh…and wayne hart sent me a box of his "crab" flies to test on the carolina redfish this fall.  an interesting creation, and can’t wait to give em a try. thanks wayne… thought i’d give a public "thank you" simply to underscore a bit of the benefits of this place. jeff

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Jeff Miller writes: …i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval

Well, I hope there will be some dry fly action, Jeffy.  It’s beginning to look like Fortenberry was right.  The long term forcast calls for "snow showers" in that part of Idaho during the clave.  Damn, Fortenberry, FORTENBERRY, was right.  Looks like I’m gonna hafta rent the Humvee instead of the Lincoln.  Why didn’t Warren warn us about this?   d;o)

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Here’s a couple items for the Henry’s Forkers: An updated report has been posted to HF Anglers website: http://www.henrysforkanglers.com The flow is working it’s way down, but it’s still higher than last September so far.  900 cfs in Island Park would be ideal for waders: http://waterdata.usgs.gov/id/nwis/uv/?site_no=13042500&PARAmeter_cd=0… 060 And if anyone wants to send me some flies or a new 3 pc, 9′ 5 weight XP, I’ll try em out on the Fork  The XP would be especially handy. bruce h

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -…i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval that he thought might garner a look from an idaho trout… thanks fellers… it’ll be fun fishin the flies you picked, and i can blame your poor selections if i don’t do too well. <g oh…and wayne hart sent me a box of his "crab" flies to test on the carolina redfish this fall.  an interesting creation, and can’t wait to give em a try. thanks wayne… thought i’d give a public "thank you" simply to underscore a bit of the benefits of this place. jeff

Ah…from the subject header, I thought your esteemed colleague had been, er, "Mercedes shopping in all the wrong places…"  Weren’t sure why you were thanking him, though… <G…outside the box, doncha know… TC, R …oh, and a slight nit to pick – there is not, or rather, should not be, an apostrophe in any river name.

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…i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode. just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as good for hf… also, my pal waldo sent me a huge selection on approval Well, I hope there will be some dry fly action, Jeffy.  It’s beginning to look like Fortenberry was right.  The long term forcast calls for "snow showers" in that part of Idaho during the clave.  Damn, Fortenberry, FORTENBERRY, was right.  Looks like I’m gonna hafta rent the Humvee instead of the Lincoln.  Why didn’t Warren warn us about this?  

Can you believe that long term forecast!  The Climate Prediction Center shows above average temps and above average precip for that time frame.   http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/ All in all, it looks like good streamer weather…..

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RockTrout writes: Can you believe that long term forecast!  The Climate Prediction Center shows above average temps and above average precip for that time frame.  

Fortenberry knows that region very, very well.  He spent all of his adult life there — what…. two years?…. so I’m *sure* it’s gonna snow.  I wish Warren had warned us.   d;o)

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    Can you believe that long term forecast!  The Climate Prediction   Center shows above average temps and above average precip for that time   frame.     http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/     All in all, it looks like good streamer weather….. Long range forecasts like that are wrong as often as they’re right but cloudy days would be great for dry fly fishing for a number of reasons. IMO, BWO hatches are much heavier when there is cloud cover. The Olives will probably be the most prolific hatch while we are at Henrys. Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. The trout are less "fussy" during cloudy weather. You don’t need as good of a match. Trout are less spooky and wary and you can usually go with heavier tippet. If it’s cloudy, I’ll be fishing the ranch. Willi

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  …i’m in idaho pre-trip jitter mode.     just ordered a sampler platter of flies from harry mason he selected as   good for hf… I think you’ll be pleased with Harry’s flies. The flies he offers are VERY well tied and many are different from "normal" ties which is especially good, IMO, on hard fished water like Henrys Fork. Willi

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  Here’s a couple items for the Henry’s Forkers:     An updated report has been posted to HF Anglers website:     http://www.henrysforkanglers.com     The flow is working it’s way down, but it’s still higher than last September   so far.  900 cfs in Island Park would be ideal for waders:     http://waterdata.usgs.gov/id/nwis/uv/?site_no=13042500&PARAmeter_cd=0…   060     And if anyone wants to send me some flies or a new 3 pc, 9′ 5 weight XP,   I’ll try em out on the Fork  The XP would be especially handy. You know there are trout rods in other than five weight, you have enough 5 weights. You need to broaden your arsenal. Willi

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What I need is a bunch of stupid trout It’s raining here right now- hoping to hit the Clarks Fork tonight- I understand the river has been something close to phenominal the last few days jh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Can you believe that long term forecast!  The Climate Prediction   Center shows above average temps and above average precip for that time   frame.   http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/   All in all, it looks like good streamer weather….. Long range forecasts like that are wrong as often as they’re right but cloudy days would be great for dry fly fishing for a number of reasons. IMO, BWO hatches are much heavier when there is cloud cover. The Olives will probably be the most prolific hatch while we are at Henrys. Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. The trout are less "fussy" during cloudy weather. You don’t need as good of a match. Trout are less spooky and wary and you can usually go with heavier tippet. If it’s cloudy, I’ll be fishing the ranch. Willi

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 I would agree, if the clouds roll in I would think the BWO would be the ticket. The Wind, IMO, is more of a problem than no bugs…. HM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can you believe that long term forecast!  The Climate Prediction Center shows above average temps and above average precip for that time frame. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/814day/ All in all, it looks like good streamer weather….. Long range forecasts like that are wrong as often as they’re right but cloudy days would be great for dry fly fishing for a number of reasons. IMO, BWO hatches are much heavier when there is cloud cover. The Olives will probably be the most prolific hatch while we are at Henrys. Trout are much more likely to feed on the surface during cloudy weather. The trout are less "fussy" during cloudy weather. You don’t need as good of a match. Trout are less spooky and wary and you can usually go with heavier tippet. If it’s cloudy, I’ll be fishing the ranch. Willi

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You did hook 2 fish. I wouldn’t call that "utter failure" just a frustrating day.  Hooking none is "utter failure."  Now that’s happened to me more times than I want to count.   Joel Axelrad **DFD**

ditto.

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Heck, if I hook none but don’t fall in more than twice, I call that a successful day! Piker.  Frank calls it a record!        :) Wolfgang and we ain’t talkin’ pere here.

Yeah, but didn’t he turn pro a year or so ago?  I’m still an amachoor. vince

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Heck, if I hook none but don’t fall in more than twice, I call that a successful day! Piker.  Frank calls it a record!        :) Wolfgang and we ain’t talkin’ pere here. Yeah, but didn’t he turn pro a year or so ago?  I’m still an amachoor.

Yeah, as in music and ornithology, there’s still room in the world of sport for the gifted amateur.     Wolfgang

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Yeah, as in music and ornithology, there’s still room in the world of sport for the gifted amateur.     Wolfgang

The canary!  He sang, didn’t he?  He’s a lousy snitch.  But he wasn’t really a canary, now was he?  That song, that look, yes, he was a Citril Finch! Thought he had me fooled,  HAH!  Yeh, but I sent him into the mines anyway. BWAAAAHHAAAAHHAAHAHHHAAA!    Thank you very much. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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  Well, Sunday looked promising at the outset, at least for fishing the   heavily-fished Tulpehocken…..   Nothing I saw justified the blitz of feeding I saw. Sometimes, fly-fishing   can get like that, it’s just that I hate when it happens to me….Oh well, at   Sometimes two fish is a good day. other times, when you feel you "should" be catching more, it’s just frustrating. Glad to here you stream held up through the low water. I had been concerned about my home stretch of river and was glad when I started seeing some smaller fish feeding about a week or so ago. Yesterday morning, I went out about 8:00 and found a couple of large pods of fish in the skinny water ripping into the Trico duns coming off. Some of the rises were sedate sips but many were splashy lunges. The pod I fished had 10 to 15 fish feeding in water from six inches to a foot deep in an area about 15′ by 20′. I generally try and target a specific fish that I figure is a better one, but they were feeding in such a small area that their rise forms were overlapping. Although some of the rises indicated better fish, I figured the fish were small because of the energetic rises to such a small insect and because the better fish won’t generally surface feeding together in such a small area.  The hatch was pretty heavy and I was competing with lots of naturals. It was also difficult to get a good drift through the eddy where the fish were feeding. It probably took thirty casts before I got a take. The fish was a nice one and tore up the eddy where it was rising and took off downstream to a deep pool. After a spirited fight I landed a Brown of about 18". In the shallow water the fight put down the pod of fish I was targeting as well as the other pod that was downstream. I walked upstream a ways to look for some more fish, but by that time the sun was getting pretty direct and the shallow water looked barren although there were still lots of bugs. I only got one fish, but it was a good day. Glad to know at least some the better fish have made it through our over heated Summer. Willi

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ome small rusty colored mayflies and a You did hook 2 fish. I wouldn’t call that "utter failure"… Hooking none is "utter failure." Heck, if I hook none but don’t fall in more than twice, I call that a successful day!

Piker.  Frank calls it a record!        :) Wolfgang and we ain’t talkin’ pere here.

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ome small rusty colored mayflies and a You did hook 2 fish. I wouldn’t call that "utter failure"… Hooking none is "utter failure."

Heck, if I hook none but don’t fall in more than twice, I call that a successful day! vince

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utter failure my ass – that was just coitus interrruptus Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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utter failure my ass – that was just coitus interrruptus Peter

    you catholics just *will* have your say!     yfitons     wayno  (methodist to the core–which, in methodists, is about 32* fahrenheit.)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – utter failure my ass – that was just coitus interrruptus Peter    you catholics just *will* have your say!    yfitons    wayno  (methodist to the core–which, in methodists, is about 32* fahrenheit.)

Nope, not me, I’m just the anglicized, pseudo version. with a catholic education. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Peter notes: utter failure my ass – that was just coitus interrruptus

you may well be right….at any rate, I went back today as it cleared. Of course, I found less bugs by far and the usual fussy fish. Caught them, though, on deep nymphs (both caddis pupae and Zug Bugs), got two to take #18 Tan Elk Hair caddis.                              Tom

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You did hook 2 fish. I wouldn’t call that "utter failure" just a frustrating day.  Hooking none is "utter failure."  Now that’s happened to me more times than I want to count.  

If you got out of the house and went fishing, you already succeeded. Now, if you had spent the whole weekend at home doing yardwork… Kevin

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Joel writes: Hooking none is "utter failure."  Now that’s happened to me more times than I want to count.

fucking hemlocks!!<g

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tom Littleton wrote… Well, Sunday looked promising at the outset, at least for fishing the heavily-fished Tulpehocken…..it was raining steadily. At 10 am, I drove over to the creek to investigate the situation. Usually, rainy days provide(along with very low fishing pressure), easy fishing for the trout of the Creek. This one promised no different, as my arrival was greeted by dozens of birds working over insects and the swirls of feeding fish everywhere. From that point, it went steadily awry, as I fished for over 3 hours. I hooked exactly two fish, both on a tan wet fly imitation(to my mind) the smaller caddis about. The numbers of feeding fish were staggering, the birds fed constantly, and I never did figure it out. I tried caddis, midges, tricos and little olives. I saw a few of each of those, along with some small rusty colored mayflies and a couple larger pale mayflies. No single insect seemed prevalent enough for the gauche display by the swallows, which literally dive-bombed the water throughout. Nothing I saw justified the blitz of feeding I saw. Sometimes, fly-fishing can get like that, it’s just that I hate when it happens to me….Oh well, at                                                                Tom

You did hook 2 fish. I wouldn’t call that "utter failure" just a frustrating day.  Hooking none is "utter failure."  Now that’s happened to me more times than I want to count.   Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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Well, Sunday looked promising at the outset, at least for fishing the heavily-fished Tulpehocken…..it was raining steadily. At 10 am, I drove over to the creek to investigate the situation. Usually, rainy days provide(along with very low fishing pressure), easy fishing for the trout of the Creek. This one promised no different, as my arrival was greeted by dozens of birds working over insects and the swirls of feeding fish everywhere. From that point, it went steadily awry, as I fished for over 3 hours. I hooked exactly two fish, both on a tan wet fly imitation(to my mind) the smaller caddis about. The numbers of feeding fish were staggering, the birds fed constantly, and I never did figure it out. I tried caddis, midges, tricos and little olives. I saw a few of each of those, along with some small rusty colored mayflies and a couple larger pale mayflies. No single insect seemed prevalent enough for the gauche display by the swallows, which literally dive-bombed the water throughout. Nothing I saw justified the blitz of feeding I saw. Sometimes, fly-fishing can get like that, it’s just that I hate when it happens to me….Oh well, at                                                                 Tom

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We ran along the Deerfield for a good stretch. I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much floating plastic, rubber, and styrofoam in one place, ever. /daytripper (water looked low, slow, and warm, too…)

The two raft/kayak/tube outfitters in Zoar pretty much clog the river on weekends.  You have to fish dawn and dusk and pray the water level’s right. A real crap shoot considering the drive time and the lack of alternatives in the area.

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The two raft/kayak/tube outfitters in Zoar pretty much clog the river on weekends.  You have to fish dawn and dusk and pray the water level’s right. A real crap shoot considering the drive time and the lack of alternatives in the area.

Are there trout in the little river that runs up Route 2 as is climbs up through the State Forest to Florida, MA, just past Berkshire East? — Gary M

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The two raft/kayak/tube outfitters in Zoar pretty much clog the river on weekends.  You have to fish dawn and dusk and pray the water level’s right. A real crap shoot considering the drive time and the lack of alternatives in the area. Are there trout in the little river that runs up Route 2 as is climbs up through the State Forest to Florida, MA, just past Berkshire East?

Sounds like the Cold River, which isn’t mentioned in TU’s guide for MA trout waters…

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Sounds like the Cold River, which isn’t mentioned in TU’s guide for MA trout waters…

Yes that sounds correct. I do see the ubquitous Salmon Parr/Trout differentiation signs on the trees up there though? — Gary M

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I grew up in Springfield MA but haven’t fished the Farmington in MA for at least 8 years.  I used to regularly fish the Deerfield, Westfield, Swift, and  the Nissi when I lived in Boston and my brother lived in Southwick.  I live in NJ now and mainly fish the Farmington and Housie in CT if I’m not exploring PA’s streams and trails. Bill Bill, Can you recommend any good spots along the Deerfield?  Drove

along it the other day, water level was very low but looked like the river had promise.  I live in CT but am always in search of good water. Jim

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Bill, Can you recommend any good spots along the Deerfield?  Drove along it the other day, water level was very low but looked like the river had promise.  I live in CT but am always in search of good water. Jim

The best places on the Deerfield are close to the Fife Brook Dam – without the cold water releases from Fife the river would be too hot for trout this year… Here are maps of the two C&R areas on the upper Deerfield: http://www.jacksmola.com/deerfield_upper.html http://www.jacksmola.com/deerfield_lower.html Be aware that the dam releases water for hydro power and the areas near the dam fluctuate between low water and dangerous.  If you want to try the area, be sure to check the release schedule (which is often wrong) at 1-888-356-3663. Press 1 & 6 when prompted. You can get a good idea of the releases by checking the stream flow gauge: http://mass1.er.usgs.gov/rt-cgi/gen_stn_pg?station=01170000 It looks like the releases are way down the past couple of days, so things could be very good indeed… This gauge is way downstream from the Fife Brook dam – near the Connecticut river.  The times of high flow are a couple of hours delayed compared to the main release.  There are also several other dams between Fife and West Deerfield that do secondary releases that slow down the surge. The whole river is accessible by roads and pretty much any place there’s a pullout is worth a look,  Just be aware that the lower you get, the slower and warmer the water will be.  Wherever you fish, make sure you know your exit route if the water starts coming up. –Stan

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I’ve got to agree (and defer) with Stan.  Fife is probably the best place but I haven’t fished the Deerfield in 2 years since I moved to NJ so I don’t know the condition of the river.  Fife was always consistent though.  Most likely I’ll make a trip up this fall. As Stan points out, remember to watch the water.  It comes up fast. —

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| Bill, Can you recommend any good spots along the Deerfield?  Drove | along it the other day, water level was very low but looked like the | river had promise.  I live in CT but am always in search of good | water. | Jim | | The best places on the Deerfield are close to the Fife Brook Dam – without | the cold water releases from Fife the river would be too hot for trout this | year… | | Here are maps of the two C&R areas on the upper Deerfield: | http://www.jacksmola.com/deerfield_upper.html | http://www.jacksmola.com/deerfield_lower.html | | Be aware that the dam releases water for hydro power and the areas near the | dam fluctuate between low water and dangerous.  If you want to try the area, | be sure to check the release schedule (which is often wrong) at | 1-888-356-3663. Press 1 & 6 when prompted. | | You can get a good idea of the releases by checking the stream flow gauge: | http://mass1.er.usgs.gov/rt-cgi/gen_stn_pg?station=01170000 | | It looks like the releases are way down the past couple of days, so things | could be very good indeed… | | This gauge is way downstream from the Fife Brook dam – near the Connecticut | river.  The times of high flow are a couple of hours delayed compared to the | main release.  There are also several other dams between Fife and West | Deerfield that do secondary releases that slow down the surge. | | The whole river is accessible by roads and pretty much any place there’s a | pullout is worth a look,  Just be aware that the lower you get, the slower | and warmer the water will be.  Wherever you fish, make sure you know your | exit route if the water starts coming up. | | –Stan | |

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http://www.jacksmola.com/deerfield_lower.html

The only time I fished the Deerfield was a little below the Yankee Power Plant. I did not do well, plus, as I thought the plant will still operating I was really uncomfortable standing in the water. Any comment on this stretch? I don’t think these maps are of this stretch are they? — Gary M

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The only time I fished the Deerfield was a little below the Yankee Power Plant. I did not do well, plus, as I thought the plant will still operating I was really uncomfortable standing in the water. Any comment on this stretch? I don’t think these maps are of this stretch are they?

I believe the road to Rowe is just upstream of the Cold River (Rowe Rd.)?  I haven’t fished upstream from the Cold River  in years except just below Fife Brook Dam.  So, yes, I think that map is of the stretch you’re thinking of, and while I don’t have any recent firsthand knowledge about that section, Jack Smola has told me good stories about it.  The section I’m most familiar with is downstream a ways, below Bardwell’s Ferry down to the South River. I spent many days fishing that section and used to really love the riffle just below the South River.  I have stayed away from the Deerfield for several years because of the big daytime releases from Fife (that and the river runners). –Stan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only time I fished the Deerfield was a little below the Yankee Power Plant. I did not do well, plus, as I thought the plant will still operating I was really uncomfortable standing in the water. Any comment on this stretch? I don’t think these maps are of this stretch are they? I believe the road to Rowe is just upstream of the Cold River (Rowe Rd.)?  I haven’t fished upstream from the Cold River  in years except just below Fife Brook Dam.  So, yes, I think that map is of the stretch you’re thinking of, and while I don’t have any recent firsthand knowledge about that section, Jack Smola has told me good stories about it.  The section I’m most familiar with is downstream a ways, below Bardwell’s Ferry down to the South River. I spent many days fishing that section and used to really love the riffle just below the South River.  I have stayed away from the Deerfield for several years because of the big daytime releases from Fife (that and the river runners).

Sunday afternoon on the way back from visiting #1 Son at Cornell we avoided a monster jam on the Pike by winding our way northeast on the back roads. Gorgeous day and an engaging drive. We ran along the Deerfield for a good stretch. I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much floating plastic, rubber, and styrofoam in one place, ever. /daytripper (water looked low, slow, and warm, too…)

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Mike: http://www.valley.net/~ThomasAmes/insects/mayfly/needhami.htm Sometimes called a blue-wing olive, and a chocolate spinner. –Stan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy Bill      I am a Ct. resident and don’t know what a Needhami is could you enlighten me or anyone else as far as that goes Picture maybe???                    Handyman Mike         Standing in a river waving a stick

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Pretty much.  The one I was using was a dun pattern tied on a 26 hook.  Just a dark brown/black body with a gray CDC post wing and no hackle.  Nice and simple.  My brother was lucky with a size 24 BWO dun.  Different body color but the same wing profile and color.  Leads me to believe they were keying into the wing, not the body. Then again, a few hit a size 14 Tan hair caddis with a lot of grizzly hackle palmered on the body.  Go figure. Bill —

| Mike: | | http://www.valley.net/~ThomasAmes/insects/mayfly/needhami.htm | | Sometimes called a blue-wing olive, and a chocolate spinner. | | –Stan |

| Howdy Bill |      I am a Ct. resident and don’t know what a Needhami is could you | enlighten | me or anyone else as far as that goes Picture maybe??? | | | |                    Handyman Mike |         Standing in a river waving a stick | | |

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Thanks as i am still new to learning what flies are what getting better all the time but alot to learn still.                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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| from the Classic and Custom Flyshop website | (http://www.classicandcustomflyshop.com): | | "Here are some tips on how to peg the needhami hatch . The needhami spinners | need an air temp of 80 to fall.  The hatch is pretty consistent about 9-10 | am each day . However the spinners are air temp sensitive, 80 seems to be | what they like and when the air over the water hits 80 they come down IN | MASS no matter what time it is.  Here on the Farmington you have to remember | that the river is a tail water, the water stays cold and  the cold water | effects the air over the water.  The river will chill the air over it by as | much as 6-8 feet, the less the humidity the higher the effect is in the air, | the higher the effect the latter the spinner drop.  Needhami spinners mass | high in the air as much as 30-50 feet above the surface and fall in mass . | They will start down to the rivers surface hang over the river and then | return to the trees if the air temp over the water is to cold. They hit the | cold air and return to the trees, they will do this time and time again | until they feel that the air temp has hit the 80 mark.  On a clear day with | no humidity this may take as long as early afternoon.  On those days when | the humidity is high and the air sultry get to the river by 9 am and the | spinners will be falling.  This happens because the heavy moist air has | pushed the cold air coming off the surface of the water down , and the air | temp over the water reaches 80 fast.  Some times this humid air can have a | dramatic effect on the conditions and will cause a fog to form over the | water. | | If you run into this wait until the fog lifts as needhami will not fall | through the fog.  Needhami can come off from mid morning to midday along | with a spinner drop in early afternoon. | | The spinner of this fly is very important on the river, but falls almost | unseen by many anglers.  When needhami returns to the water in mass it lays | down its wings and dies . The wings are flat on the surface of the water, | and all but disappear.  Anglers are looking down for the fly on the surface | of the water and view needhami against the dark background of the rivers | bottom.  What they see is just the rich brown body about the size of a pin | head.  This is all but impossible for most anglers to pick out . | | However when the spinner is viewed from the bottom as the fish would look at | it they are looking at the fly against a light background [ the sky ] and | the body and wing are very visible to them.  On sunny days the wings of | needhami when viewed as a fish,  appear like plastic wrap with a  light coat | of oil on them.  The spinner of needhami is the one time I prefer using poly | for the wings, and the sparkle spinner for sunny days. | | This hatch can last well over a month , the next time you are in a pool and | the fish are rising all around you and you can not see a thing on the | surface, or that needhami dun that worked all morning and the fish are still | rising and now ignoring the dun, try a needhami spinner or sparkle spinner | on a 9x tippet. | | The duns of needhami are a red/brown  with yellow legs , the spinners are a | very dark brown" | | — | | |

| | Howdy Bill | |      I am a Ct. resident and don’t know what a Needhami is could you | enlighten | | me or anyone else as far as that goes Picture maybe??? | | | | | | | |                    Handyman Mike | |         Standing in a river waving a stick | | | |

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Thank You very useful info. Does that apply to most rivers and streams that have a spinner hatch or just the Farmington.   When i was down in Pa. last month spinners were bobbing up and down as you described and then nothing there was a fog  air temp i am not sure water was warm as i was wet wading.and fish were rising at the Elk/Penns junction pool caught some on a dun but alot of fish wouldn’t even look at the dun.       Again Thanks                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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I can’t take credit for writing the info.  I cut and pasted it from the from the Classic and Custom Flyshop website (http://www.classicandcustomflyshop.com).  When spinner decide to come down depends on the fly.  Some like it hot, some like it cold (I’m leaving myself exposed here….).  What the fly does after it hits the water and how it looks when it’s dead also depend on each species.  I’m not a great expert on this behavior.  I’ve only been fly fishing for 10 years so I’m still learning myself. The site I listed above has some examples that relate to the Farmington but should work on most CT streams and rivers. Maybe someone else can pop in with a few examples. —

| Thank You very useful info. Does that apply to most rivers and streams that | have a spinner hatch or just the Farmington. |   When i was down in Pa. last month spinners were bobbing up and down as you | described and then nothing there was a fog  air temp i am not sure water was | warm as i was wet wading.and fish were rising at the Elk/Penns junction pool | caught some on a dun but alot of fish wouldn’t even look at the dun. | |       Again Thanks | | |                    Handyman Mike |         Standing in a river waving a stick |

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Howdy Bill      I am a Ct. resident and don’t know what a Needhami is could you enlighten me or anyone else as far as that goes Picture maybe???                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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<nice tr snipped Overall it was a slow day but it sure beat hanging out in the AC. —

Sure sounds like it.  Do you know what the water temp was?  Also, have you ever fished the Farmington in Mass? Dave

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My brother. Mike, and I fished the Farmington River Sunday.  We had a great day on the river.  lot of fishing but not a lot of catching.  We arrived at the River around 8:15 after a short stop at Up Country on Rt 44 to pick up some tricos (22s) and Needhami (26s).  I’m glad we stopped since they were just about the only flies the fish would take.  The river is lower and slower than the last time I fished it  about 3 weeks ago.  But there is still quite a bit of water and quite a few trout.  Abet, very finicky trout. [snipped] Overall it was a slow day but it sure beat hanging out in the AC.

Is this the Farmington River in Connecticut? If so, what was the water temperature??

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Is this the Farmington River in Connecticut? If so, what was the water temperature??

Classic & Custom Flyshop says it’s 68 degrees.

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Is this the Farmington River in Connecticut? If so, what was the water temperature?? Classic & Custom Flyshop says it’s 68 degrees.

If true, that’s amazingly low. Everything around here is bath water…

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If true, that’s amazingly low. Everything around here is bath water…

The CT Farmington is a cold water release tailwater. It is currently running quite low. 68 would be about normal at that level this time of year, but given the heat wave, it could exceed 70 at midafternoon in some of the lower TMA areas such as the Boneyard and Ovation. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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I didn’t have a thermometer with me but it was warmer than I’ve experienced lately.  As you’d expect, Pipeline was cooler (perceptively cooler) than Ovation.  I didn’t wet wade but I only had a pair of shorts on under the breathables.  Only "natural" insulation (and plenty of it!).  Dave at Classic and Custom had 68 degrees on his board.  Felt about right but maybe a little cooler at Pipeline.  Warm water probably caused inactivity and the lack of fish feeding on the surface (it could never have been the fishermen . FYI – The water wasn’t as low as I’ve seen it.  It’s low but the gravel at Ovation is still covered with just enough water to fool the canoe’rs I grew up in Springfield MA but haven’t fished the Farmington in MA for at least 8 years.  I used to regularly fish the Deerfield, Westfield, Swift, and  the Nissi when I lived in Boston and my brother lived in Southwick.  I live in NJ now and mainly fish the Farmington and Housie in CT if I’m not exploring PA’s streams and trails. Bill —

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| | <nice tr snipped | | Overall it was a slow day but it sure beat hanging out in the AC. | — | | Sure sounds like it.  Do you know what the water temp was?  Also, have you ever | fished the Farmington in Mass? | | Dave | | | | | | |

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Ovation was warm and there was very little activity.  I managed to pick up a couple of fish by sheer luck.  I was using dries, the guy upstream from me was nymphing and everyone was having a slow day.  There are fish but they are amazingly picky. Basically a good day for fishing and a lousy day for catching….. Didn’t mind it one bit….. —

| | If true, that’s amazingly low. Everything around here is bath water… | | The CT Farmington is a cold water release tailwater. It is currently running | quite low. 68 would be about normal at that level this time of year, but given | the heat wave, it could exceed 70 at midafternoon in some of the lower TMA | areas such as the Boneyard and Ovation. | | | George Adams | | "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was | worth the comin’ down." | ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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My brother. Mike, and I fished the Farmington River Sunday.  We had a great day on the river.  lot of fishing but not a lot of catching.  We arrived at the River around 8:15 after a short stop at Up Country on Rt 44 to pick up some tricos (22s) and Needhami (26s).  I’m glad we stopped since they were just about the only flies the fish would take.  The river is lower and slower than the last time I fished it  about 3 weeks ago.  But there is still quite a bit of water and quite a few trout.  Abet, very finicky trout. We started just downstream of Pipeline and fished up to the it.  FYI – The Gas Company is doing construction on the pipeline and have cleared all of the brush from the area around it.  We both picked up several 8 to 12 inch browns on both tricos and needhami.  Small fish but very strong and feisty. Mike lost a large fish that bent his 5# in half before snapping the 8X. Once the sun was high enough to chase away the shadows on the River we moved down stream, skipping the Church Pool and headed to the Boneyard.  We parked at the end of the access road and fished the upstream runs and riffles. Classic water.  Aside from dodging canoes and kayaks I had a good time Fishing.  We stayed until 2.  Picked up 2 browns, 1 on a size 12 isonychia comparadun and another on a size 14 tan caddis with a lot of palmered hackle.  Nice healthy 12 inch fish.  Mike picked up a few as well but he fished the slower flatter water farther upstream.   Decided to move again and went to Ovation.  After lunch we hit the water and for a while had the pool to ourselves.  Very slow going.  I picked up a 9inch brown just past the bridge head.  He was hanging just below the surface along side a large boulder.  I saw him from the shore and watch for a few minute.  My first cast looked like it was on the money until a salmon fry decided to swoop in. A few casts later I had the right float and he took the Needhami.  It was great to watch as he took the fly.  Nice strong fish for a 9"er.  Very fun on the 4#.  We stayed until 6:30 or so but only took a couple more fish apiece.  We moved back up to Pipeline hoping for a hatch or spinner fall that never materialized.  We stayed until I couldn’t see the white wulff I had tied on.  Mike picked up a 13 or 14 inch rainbow but I struck out. Overall it was a slow day but it sure beat hanging out in the AC. —

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……the greta cover-up… you might wanna work on that a bit…..

Ya’ll are a hard crowd!  I think you should ease up on Petah……he’s taken just about enough heat for his garboed spelling.     Wolfgang hey, us immigrants gotta stick togethah.

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PS I usually fail, but that’s the whole point. L — Lazarus Cooke

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One of those rare, magic moments in fly fishing, out with greta friends on a perfect stream, Greta? My cousin wisely married the man who owns the house on the Greta – the house by the bridge on the river in the north of England that Cotman painted. Sadly I’ve never managed to fish in the river, but I’m glad to see a ROFF post on it. More please! Lazarus

        dear mr. cooke:  i am pleased to represent mr. peetah charles, late of the royal air force, in all his domestic relations…um, matters.         this is to advise that any further (farther?) references to the woman formerly known as "greta" will result in our immediate action at law, wherein your private parts will first be exposed (while at rest) to several cheerleaders from the university of south carolina, followed by their immediate severance from your person.         it is our earnest hope that this caution will suffice to silence any further (yep, that’s it) references to the aforementioned lady, her heirs, assigns, or private investigators. yr. obt. svt. a.wayne harrison,  atty at law.

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PS I usually fail, but that’s the whole point. L

So do I I hate to spoil the greta thing you and wayno got going but my greta spelling is only surpassed in gretaness by the inability of my greta spell checker to properly correct greta. I hated to put in this correction with wayno in full legal warhoop, but I’ve heard some stories about those Tarheel cheerleaders  . . . Didn’t want to be responsible . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Which has since made me wonder – do people actually pull off the dead upstream dry fly cast to a visible fish in gin clear water?

In Vermont many of the small brookie streams I fish the only way is to fish straight up. I walk up some streams for over 8 hours. Sometimes I can get up-and-across cast, but mostly, due to foliage, the cast it straight up and down the river. Most of the line floats and lands on the water where I get strikes. Isn’t low pressure a wonderful thing? Gary

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petah, petah…old chap…those were SOUTH carolina cheerleaders – "i.e., "gamecocks" – wayno referenced.  it’s ok…you’re still well within limits of literacy for us over 50 geezers.  but, the greta cover-up… you might wanna work on that a bit.

South – North, what’s a little geography between friends. jeff (who’s observed your gretaness with the tattooed bighair wimmen at the union co. sportsman’s club)

still pissed that I swiped your date, eh? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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petah, petah…old chap…those were SOUTH carolina cheerleaders – "i.e., "gamecocks" – wayno referenced.  it’s ok…you’re still well within limits of literacy for us over 50 geezers.  but, the greta cover-up… you might wanna work on that a bit. jeff (who’s observed your gretaness with the tattooed bighair wimmen at the union co. sportsman’s club) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PS I usually fail, but that’s the whole point. L So do I I hate to spoil the greta thing you and wayno got going but my greta spelling is only surpassed in gretaness by the inability of my greta spell checker to properly correct greta. I hated to put in this correction with wayno in full legal warhoop, but I’ve heard some stories about those Tarheel cheerleaders  . . . Didn’t want to be responsible . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I hated to put in this correction with wayno in full legal warhoop, but I’ve heard some stories about those Tarheel cheerleaders  . . .

the university brass had astroturf installed at the football stadium to keep ‘em from grazing during halftime. i don’t quite understand the decision really, considering that was the only entertainment value with a NC football ticket. waldo

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Which has since made me wonder – do people actually pull off the dead upstream dry fly cast to a visible fish in gin clear water?

I had a casting lesson years ago from Andy Murray, the Hardy casting expert, who said firmly that it was perfectly possible with a 9′ leader only. I use a longer one – more to avoid drag than anything else, probably about 12′ all told, (ie inc bit of thick mono tied to line, then tippet tied to 9′ tapered leader) but it’s what I do – on the Itchen & Test, which are pretty clear. Not DEAD upstream, unless I’m casting right handed from the right bank, but yes, then. Lazarus — Lazarus Cooke

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One of those rare, magic moments in fly fishing, out with greta friends on a perfect stream,

Greta? My cousin wisely married the man who owns the house on the Greta – the house by the bridge on the river in the north of England that Cotman painted. Sadly I’ve never managed to fish in the river, but I’m glad to see a ROFF post on it. More please! Lazarus — Lazarus Cooke

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<SNIP a foot above the trout. He nailed the fly, jumped once and threw the hook. He was maybe 10 to 12 inches long. It was fun and satisfying to finally hook it but a bit anticlimactic. Willi

I find it very satisfying to catch fish from difficult lies. I don