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Peter,     I don’t know the Ross Colorado, but I have several Gunnison and Cimarron reels from Ross, and the drags are anything but wimpy.  The thing I like most about them is that they will adjust from dead zero to enough to hold back a 20 pound salmon heading back to the salt. I’ve also controlled Pike up to 25 pounds with these reels, and I’ve never wanted the drag as tight as it can go. Chas

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Somebody had asked a while back about Gallatin reels but I can’t find a reference to the post anymore.  I was browsing some reel web sites yesterday and I found Gallatin’s.  It turns out that the Gallatin reels shown on the site, are rebadged Marados.  These are Korean made machined and anodized reels that sell for very reasonable prices here. I have a Marado with a click & pawl drag and I’m quite satisfied with it.  They’re robustly made and feature the proven Hardy Marquis type drag, a ball-bearing at the base of the spindle, and a nice wood handle.  I used to own a Ross Colorado CO-0 and a CO-3; I prefer the Marado (Gallatin) to the Ross (wimpy drag on the Ross.) So to whoever asked, goferit.  The Marado (Gallatin) are among the best machined reel deals on the market (assuming the Gallatin prices are as reasonable as the Canadian Marado. – $135.00 CDN for the smallest model.) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Peter,    I don’t know the Ross Colorado, but I have several Gunnison and Cimarron reels from Ross, and the drags are anything but wimpy.  The thing I like most about them is that they will adjust from dead zero to enough to hold back a 20 pound salmon heading back to the salt. I’ve also controlled Pike up to 25 pounds with these reels, and I’ve never wanted the drag as tight as it can go. Chas

The Colorado has only a click & pawl drag with a single pawl and a very wimpy spring.  It comes with two springs but even with the heavy one installed, there isn’t half the resistance of a typical Hardy Marquis.  It’s very easy to overspool them if you strip line out too quickly.  They are nicely made but Ross should have copied Hardy instead of the drag design they’ve used. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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The Colorado has only a click & pawl drag with a single pawl and a very

wimpy spring.    A very wimpy spring that doesn’t last very long.  I have a couple of Colorados, shame on me for being fooled twice. One failed me miserably at the Ennis clave, and the local fly shops didn’t have a spare spring for sale. The other failed on an extended backpacking trip, causing the fishing to be a frustrating experience. When they fail, the spring loses it’s "springiness" all of a sudden, and the reel becomes a free spooling birdsnest. If you have a Colorado that hasn’t failed yet, ALWAYS carry the extra spring, because you’ll need it one day.

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The Colorado has only a click & pawl drag with a single pawl and a very wimpy spring.   A very wimpy spring that doesn’t last very long.  I have a couple of Colorados, shame on me for being fooled twice. One failed me miserably at the Ennis clave, and the local fly shops didn’t have a spare spring for sale. The other failed on an extended backpacking trip, causing the fishing to be a frustrating experience. When they fail, the spring loses it’s "springiness" all of a sudden, and the reel becomes a free spooling birdsnest. If you have a Colorado that hasn’t failed yet, ALWAYS carry the extra spring, because you’ll need it one day.

I called the Ross factory about the springs and their rep told me that they had built the Colorado this way to replicate the "traditional" feel of a click-drag reel.  IMHO, if they wanted to do that, they should have stuck to a traditional design. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Somebody had asked a while back about Gallatin reels but I can’t find a reference to the post anymore.  I was browsing some reel web sites yesterday and I found Gallatin’s.  It turns out that the Gallatin reels shown on the site, are rebadged Marados.  These are Korean made machined and anodized reels that sell for very reasonable prices here. I have a Marado with a click & pawl drag and I’m quite satisfied with it.  They’re robustly made and feature the proven Hardy Marquis type drag, a ball-bearing at the base of the spindle, and a nice wood handle.  I used to own a Ross Colorado CO-0 and a CO-3; I prefer the Marado (Gallatin) to the Ross (wimpy drag on the Ross.)   So to whoever asked, goferit.  The Marado (Gallatin) are among the best machined reel deals on the market (assuming the Gallatin prices are as reasonable as the Canadian Marado. – $135.00 CDN for the smallest model.) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes It looks, from the pictures in the Old Town catalogue as if the pack may have a  slightly shallower and more curved hull – do you think this would make much difference over the 119k? (stability, or dryness?) If you can find them both on display, take a close look at them. The cross section line drawing in the catalog for the Pack looks more like the actual profile of the 119K in real life. The bottom of the 119 isn’t nearly as flat as the catalog line drawing would suggest; it’s more like a shallow-V, with a nice curve into the bilges. The 119 should be slightly dryer as it is a couple of inches deeper in the center, bow, and stern, has a bit more flare on the sides, and has a slightly higher load rating (although I don’t think I would try to put that much into one!). Either would likely be good choice for your intended use. Good luck! Bob

Thanks for your help, Bob. I think I may go for the 119. Roger —

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 I have had my "pack" for about 3 years now and have taken it from boundary waters to the everglades. Its a great little canoe…pretty stable until the water gets about 1/2-1 foot chop with hefty breeze then it gets dicey & youll want a heavier craft…easy to portage, nice & light…not a speed demon but it’ll get ya there..I prefer a kayak paddle, better tracking..hardly draws any water with my 190 lbs in it…only downside is it needs some kind of skid plate to combat abrasion on the bottoms bow & aft. I wouldnt trade it for anything except maybe a ceder strip cajun piroque Before you buy.

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It looks, from the pictures in the Old Town catalogue as if the pack may have a  slightly shallower and more curved hull – do you think this would make much difference over the 119k? (stability, or dryness?)

        Again, never been inthe 119k, but the Pack is pretty damned stable in my opinion. Any way, tgb, your description of your use of the pack sounds a very pleasant way to spend a day!

        Yeah, from little trout lake to trout lake. But want to add that this is often done while on week or so solo trips, and that little canoe has handled all my gear for same. (Generally consisting of one large

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Hang around Trude, you could learn some things from the

rude and ignorant denizens of ROFF. I doubt that you will, your head is tucked so far up your a** your hemorrhoids hug your bow tie.< C’mon, Ken.  You’re going to make Trudie feel unwelcome.  Strangers don’t understand that your bark is somewhat worse than your bite.  <g

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Go troll elsewhere. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

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Hi everybody, I’m an asshole!  (Blah Blah Blah)

Let the flames begin! First of all shit bird, what kind of clout do you think you have that you can waltz in here and expect to get everybody to just run to your site. Yes, some people here argue strongly about what concerns them. But I don’t think that everybody here takes it to personally because we all know that it’s nearly impossible to get your point across with short post’s. It does get frustrating. But someone like you who thinks that there gods gift to newsgroups has nothing to offer anyway. There’s an old saying. Here goes-"people who think that they know it all really annoy those of us who really do." Buddy, why don’t you do us all a favor and blow! BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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I think someone should find out where this guy’s chat room is. Then, all of ROFF could show up at once for a real time demonstration of rudeness. Would be kind of fun, but then again, probably a waste of time on this guy. Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

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Before commenting, know the facts.

There Trude. Now we know the facts and it’s our conclusion  that you’re an asshole. Good ridings. BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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[tirade snipped] Is that you, TBone? Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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oblivious to the fact that he was Talking To The Hand, and wasted everyone’s time by spewing forth with the following rant: It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service.

LOL! Consider for a moment that you were being set up by someone else that doesn’t like your act. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part.

Wanna bet the feeling is mutual, Mr. Troll? This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport.

If flyfishing is truly an intelligent, refined sport, it’s pretty clear that you’d never make the first cut. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?

"Thoughts and ideas" like your POS post? Simple: we get off slamming d!ckbabies that troll through this group (<== that’s the RUDE part) especially when we have no clue why said d!ckbabies are here (<== that’s the IGNORANT part). And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable.

Wow! You used a FIVE SYLLABLE WORD! Go ask your mommy for that quarter the nice man gave her last night – she’ll be very proud! Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

LOL! You’re a piece o’ work, Mr. Troll. If anyone is going to look foolish tonight, it’s you. Sure hope you’re wearing your flame-proof underwear – you’re gonna need it… But thanks for the entertainment – and don’t let the door hit you in your ample ass on your way out… Oh yeah: recognize this sound? (PLONK!) That’s you – hitting the bottom of my kill file… [fwiw: To all of my ignorant and rude brethren in the group ;^) This twit has made precisely ONE Usenet post - ever - per the archives at Dejanews. He's either a troll or a total moron - and my guess is the latter] /daytripper

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– While in non-compliance with local decency ordinances the world over, I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part.

And so you decide to tell us. Sounds vaguely like the five year old kid down the block from me who likes to yell "I HAVE A SECRET AND I’M NOT TELLING YOU!!!" at the top of his lungs, at least once a day. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport.

Ayep. Pass me one of them there ten-cent seegars and help y’all’s self to a Pabst. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable.

This is how we communicate. I’m sorry that you find it offensive that we don’t drink our scotch with pinkies in the air and address each other as "my good sir." I’m so sorry that I’m going to sit up until sunrise crying my eyes out at the fact that someone without a name thinks that I am rude and ignorant and unintelligent and unrefined. *sniff* *sniff* Does somebody have a bandanna? I mean, one that they AIN’T used on their nose since they last washed it? Trude wounded my delicate sensibilities. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBN2NdM5diUzdLFqlpAQEmTwf/QutX1TYmKNWJKzb1LQdqMQn8kY1xdVFh jEwd0vG6UNRIMmfHalOK5g3U9jlgRvoK1S4HwDOYqtXjLW3Fs4VD5ltw0Af1Dnh/ YyJ3cTPZXxX7iIxGTkEmpSM2c/FB+2YXannptxd613PkcMVPqA07yVkZM6TH3DJu LgBOG4b1VkVukTKTBqsq7dtts0+ruagVgs9+A1bByghoUKCEKcoDa0hHe43pgdet cVueV44tNGn1V8pQnLSH/5krolLy3ohMLpqpu8z0ynUiDcKTQSLADafkvrxolmL0 EfDRsDUoePp3hynjhBC3Rl7276kYfXJaaG34REsfF+fk2rqbUg8Akg== =r1Cq —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, B.S. | http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz "Living with a dog is easy-like living with an idealist  is easy." -H.L. Mencken

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Day Tripper: (snip) <<[fwiw: To all of my ignorant and rude brethren in the group ;^) This twit has made precisely ONE Usenet post - ever - per the archives at Dejanews. He's either a troll or a total moron - and my guess is the latter] Interesting.  Beware of sheep in wolves clothing applies as well Dave LaCourse

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Troll, troll, troll your post crassly through our ROFF. Since you ain’t worth a tinker’s damn Kindly fuck right off. Did this live up to your expectations?   I’m so glad. Peter

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Just another xample of what ole’ Trude was talkin’  ’bout. ITS STUDE NOT STUD! Or are ya lookin’ to rent a hoss???

Mike down here in Texas where family trees rarely branch (we’re too stoopid to know not to cruze fer chicks at family reunions)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geeeeze, I keep forgetting things to say to old Trude: Thanks, Shallow One, for starting this thread.  I have a feeling it is gonna (I didn’t research the spelling of that) be quite entertaining.  <g Old Ignore-ant Dave, with a transmissheyon in my bathtub and an old rusty Studebaker truck in my front yard Dave..whacha want for the stud? oh yeah, almost forgot, trudy, watch that front door, it has a nasty tendency to hit asses on the way out. waldo — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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ITS STUDE NOT STUD! Or are ya lookin’ to rent a hoss??? Mike down here in Texas where family trees rarely branch (we’re too stoopid to know not to cruze fer chicks at family reunions)  (Blah Blah Blah)

Then would that be DUDE-not-STUDE? BassBug: Is it a sport or a religion?

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It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

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I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part.

So, why this post, Mr. Trude? This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport.

Yep, it sure-ass is, ain’t it.  Nothin I done like better than kickin ass on stream.  Are you a Redman guy too?  Great to chew when you’re fishing, but I hate it when it dribbles down my chin .Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?    

Well, hell, I don’t know.  Maybe they deserve it. Mark Faulkner, missin the invitation to Trude’s server, whatever the hell that means.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

Well Trude, just speaking for myself, you don’t rate much effort on my part. See ya and slack lines, Walt — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Trude writes:

<<It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish. Trude, we have survived quite nicely here at roff for many years, fighting, arguing, crying, passing on information about our sport, and yessssss – making fools of ourselves. And, we have done it without your server, chat room, and "free" FTP service.  You come here one time, read a few posts and say we are not worthy of you.  How very shallow of you.  Quite frankly, I doubt *anyone* on this ng would want to associate with you – ’tain’t a question of you associating with us, Trude.  It ain’t a question of our worth to you; it is your worth to us, to ROFF.  I see you as a humorless, shallow little snot who is high on himself rather than flyfishing and life. Have a great life, man.  You are gonna die lonely. Dave LaCourse

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See ya and slack lines<

Yeah, keep your fly zipped.

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Have a great life, man.  You are gonna die lonely.<

And soon, I would guess.

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Oh, and yeah, I forgot something: "Embarrased" has TWO (2) esses.  Count them if you can:  EMBARRASSED.   And I betcha you are!!!!!   Dave LaCourse

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Geeeeze, I keep forgetting things to say to old Trude: Thanks, Shallow One, for starting this thread.  I have a feeling it is gonna (I didn’t research the spelling of that) be quite entertaining.  <g Old Ignore-ant Dave, with a transmissheyon in my bathtub and an old rusty Studebaker truck in my front yard

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

Well, Mr. Trude Gosh, my level of disappointment has achived an all time high.  Please be sure to offer us your complete and verbose critique on the content herein.  After that, I’m certain that each and every participant would appreciate your candid assessment of all of the details of our personal lives as well.  Obviously, the sage advice of one who commands such a presence ought not be missed. On second thought, your quietly slipping back into your own little fantasy world (the one *far* away from here) will be sufficient. Bye, now, Mr. Trude. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC HEATHEN, n. A benighted creature who has the folly to worship something that he can see and feel.                – Ambrose Bierce: The Devil’s Dictionary

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was suggested to me, that I browse this newsgroup, and invite you to my server,  where I  provide a real-time chat room and a ‘free’ FTP service. I read the postings, and decided you are definitely NOT worth the effort on my part. This is ‘Fly Fishing’ :  an intelligent, refined sport. Why are "some" of you so IGNORANT, and RUDE to the thoughts and ideas of others ?      And your lack of research on any given subject is abominable. Before commenting, know the facts.  You just make yourself look foolish.

If you want rude try this. Barge into a place where your not known and, very first thing, insult everyone. That’s rude. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Geeeeze, I keep forgetting things to say to old Trude: Thanks, Shallow One, for starting this thread.  I have a feeling it is gonna (I didn’t research the spelling of that) be quite entertaining.  <g Old Ignore-ant Dave, with a transmissheyon in my bathtub and an old rusty Studebaker truck in my front yard

Dave..whacha want for the stud? oh yeah, almost forgot, trudy, watch that front door, it has a nasty tendency to hit asses on the way out. waldo — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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apologies to the group…I couldn’t resist damnit…where’s my beer? waldo — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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An anonymous insult from a cretin that can’t even spell embarrassed, yet sees fit to put it in the subject header. Talk about looking foolish. Hang around Trude, you could learn some things from the rude and ignorant denizens of ROFF. I doubt that you will, your head is tucked so far up your a** your hemorrhoids hug your bow tie. — Ken Fortenberry

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What is the proper size flies to use with a 3x and a 4x tippet or leader ? What is the tippet/leader range for WF5F line ?

Our most popular tippet sizes are 3x through 6x. In leaders we sell lots of 7 1/2′, 4x and 5x and 9′, 4x, 5x and 6x.  This is what the fly fishers buy in Nor Cal. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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What is the proper size flies to use with a 3x and a 4x tippet or leader What is the tippet/leader range for WF5F line ?

Standard rules: — divide hook size by 4 to get tippet thickness in Xs:  thus    #12 fits 3x, #16 fits 4x etc.  Most people nowadays fish    one grade finer. — Leader butt should be 2/3 thickness of line end, and not    too much stiffer. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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What is the proper size flies to use with a 3x and a 4x tippet or leader ? What is the tippet/leader range for WF5F line ?

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What is the proper size flies to use with a 3x and a 4x tippet or leader ? What is the tippet/leader range for WF5F line ?

class, boy. — George Gehrke All Writings

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Shad (serious snip)

Hi, The Annapolis River up here just got through it’s shad run which is still very good. had a lient down from ontario, he ot 3 fish in a couple of hours using clouser minnows. We like the chartruese ones, but others would probably work…. Bill — Bill Curry Tight Lines Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia, Canada Phone or Fax :  902-656-3329 http://www.tightlines.ns.ca

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Shad (serious snip)

Hi, The Annapolis River up here just got through it’s shad run which is still very good. Had a client down from Ontario, he got 3 fish in a couple of hours using clouser minnows. We like the chartruese ones, but others would probably work…. Bill — Bill Curry Tight Lines Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia, Canada Phone or Fax :  902-656-3329 http://www.tightlines.ns.ca

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I used to religously fish the American River (Sailor Bar/Nimbus) area in mid to late June for shad (pre-kids). Now that the kids are getting older I’m hoping to get back into it again. We used to use a fly similar to the Crazy Charlie Bonefish Fly – bead eyes, chartruese tail and silver/pearl foil bodies. Anyone out there using the latest and greatest that would be willing to share trade secrets? and/or any recommendations for guides in the same area? Thanks

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Michael: I like to fish for shad along the Sacramento River at Willows and in Chico. There a fly shop in Chico, the Powell Fly shop I believe, that has good information on how the run is progressing.     The flys are fairly simple, chartruese, pink, red, white and silver are good colors and use either bead heads or bead eyes.  Mix and match the tail and body colors. The reports this year have been dissapointing, too much water that is too cold and off color for any good fishing.  If you want more info re flys feel free to e-mail me. Chis Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used to religously fish the American River (Sailor Bar/Nimbus) area in mid to late June for shad (pre-kids). Now that the kids are getting older I’m hoping to get back into it again. We used to use a fly similar to the Crazy Charlie Bonefish Fly – bead eyes, chartruese tail and silver/pearl foil bodies. Anyone out there using the latest and greatest that would be willing to share trade secrets? and/or any recommendations for guides in the same area? Thanks

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: I used to religously fish the American River (Sailor Bar/Nimbus) area in : mid to late June for shad (pre-kids). Now that the kids are getting : older I’m hoping to get back into it again. We used to use a fly similar : to the Crazy Charlie Bonefish Fly – bead eyes, chartruese tail and : silver/pearl foil bodies. Anyone out there using the latest and greatest : that would be willing to share trade secrets? and/or any recommendations : for guides in the same area? I have caught them on small chartreuse and white clousers in the Merrimack River in Massachusettes.

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Hello TMR, I went out to Upper Sunrise (just below Sailor Bar) a couple of nights ago: the water is still cold and I did not see any fish working.  Sahd fishing is one of the great early summer fishing opportunities along the American.  The fish fight well and they CAN be caught in numbers if conditions are right.  A Crazy Charlie will work, but there are some standard pink, green, and white shad flies that seem to be regularly used on the Sac.  Most fly shops have a good selection , but if you tie your own they are very easy.  I have heard the fish are in the river, but conditions may have to warm before they start taking flys. Good luck JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used to religously fish the American River (Sailor Bar/Nimbus) area in mid to late June for shad (pre-kids). Now that the kids are getting older I’m hoping to get back into it again. We used to use a fly similar to the Crazy Charlie Bonefish Fly – bead eyes, chartruese tail and silver/pearl foil bodies. Anyone out there using the latest and greatest that would be willing to share trade secrets? and/or any recommendations for guides in the same area? Thanks

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Sure wish I could give you updated info….however, I have fond memories of my younger days when I would flyfish for Shad with my dad and brother.  At that time, the Eel River had good Shad runs and we lived just fifteen minutes from the river (if you drove quickly).  We caught lots of Shad in those days.  Today, the Eel River (like many) are mere shadows of their former selves.  I suppose there are Shad runs….but I have yet to see one myself during the last several years.  The Sacramento River is still a bright spot for Shad, I’m told.  As to flies…we used sizes from tens to fours…usually with silver bead eyes and white, pink or red hackle, silver body, red tail.  We’d tie variations, but the size seemed to be the most important and the depth at which you fished. Barry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used to religously fish the American River (Sailor Bar/Nimbus) area in mid to late June for shad (pre-kids). Now that the kids are getting older I’m hoping to get back into it again. We used to use a fly similar to the Crazy Charlie Bonefish Fly – bead eyes, chartruese tail and silver/pearl foil bodies. Anyone out there using the latest and greatest that would be willing to share trade secrets? and/or any recommendations for guides in the same area? Thanks

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Tue, 26 May 1998 in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, T.Michael Reinhart I used to religously fish the American River (Sailor Bar/Nimbus) area in mid to late June for shad (pre-kids). Now that the kids are getting older I’m hoping to get back into it again. We used to use a fly similar to the Crazy Charlie Bonefish Fly – bead eyes, chartruese tail and silver/pearl foil bodies. Anyone out there using the latest and greatest that would be willing to share trade secrets? and/or any recommendations for guides in the same area?

Which species are these?  I caught a few Allis Shad (Alosa Alosa) in the River Wye, South Wales, last week (in from the Atlantic).  Very rare in the UK and therefore a protected species.  Caught them on all sorts of trout flies – nothing special.  What fighters!  Knowing that I had to release them I was worried about catching more – they just fought too hard… — Phil Jones

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I jsut got the Mastery Series Bonefish line (sinking) which looks extra slippery. Does anyone have a suggestion on what knot to use to attach the butt section?

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I use a quick double nail knot and then super glue it. I’ve been using this method on 9 through 13 wt. lines without any problems. This seems to be a standard method down here in South Florida. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I jsut got the Mastery Series Bonefish line (sinking) which looks extra slippery. Does anyone have a suggestion on what knot to use to attach the butt section?

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I just used a single nail knot on mine and it has held through  several dozen tarpon and miscellaneous other fish.  I put a coat of cement over the top, primarily  to smooth it out.  There are probably better knots, but this one was good enough.  good luck. I jsut got the Mastery Series Bonefish line (sinking) which looks extra slippery. Does anyone have a suggestion on what knot to use to attach the butt section?

– Tim Ackerman "everyone lives downstream"

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I jsut got the Mastery Series Bonefish line (sinking) which looks extra slippery. Does anyone have a suggestion on what knot to use to attach the butt section?

Is that a solid monocore or a braided monocore?  If it’s a solid core I would normally strip off a few inches of coating, tie an overhand knot in the core and slide the butt through it, then tie a nail knot with the butt to the core, being sure to snug it down against the overhand. George Anderson and I tested this knot on the Monic line last year and it seemed to be the only one that was 100%. Marshall

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I just got the Mastery Series Bonefish line (sinking) which looks extra slippery. Does anyone have a suggestion on what knot to use to attach the butt section?

        A needle nail knot.  No matter how slippery the line may be,         that one’s not going to come loose.                                         Tom Hewlett-Packard Laboratories                     Phone: (970) 229-3531 External Research Program                          FAX: (970) 229-6198 3404 East Harmony Road Fort Collins, CO 80525-9599

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I jsut got the Mastery Series Bonefish line (sinking) which looks extra slippery. Does anyone have a suggestion on what knot to use to attach the butt section?

We use the Albright knot to attach the butt section to the front of the flyline. On the rear of the line we fold it back to form a small loop. We then nail knot it twice to form a loop. We tie a Bimini Twist in the backing and loop that to the flyline. We use Goodyear Pliobond cement on all the knots to make them more streamline. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Similar to Tom’s suggestion:  make a loop out of braided mono, slide it over the fly line, tie a nail knot with 10-12# mono at end of braided mono, then touch it with a drop of "super glue".  This will give you a loop for loop-to-loop connection and it won’t come off. Dave Cornue

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I jsut got the Mastery Series Bonefish line (sinking) which looks extra slippery. Does anyone have a suggestion on what knot to use to attach the butt section? Is that a solid monocore or a braided monocore?  If it’s a solid core I would normally strip off a few inches of coating, tie an overhand knot in the core and slide the butt through it, then tie a nail knot with the butt to the core, being sure to snug it down against the overhand. George Anderson and I tested this knot on the Monic line last year and it seemed to be the only one that was 100%. Marshall

What people call slime line are those clear no-core lines.  They look like a fat mono. Nix on the needle knot. I found with the mastery stillwater and only one nail knot that it squeezed the slime line until it weakened and slipped or broke.  I use and found a good and easy knot is to tie two or three nail knots in a row.  Just leave the tag line 12 inches long on the first one, cinch it tight, then tie another a half-inch up the line. Before you pull this one tight, slide it a bit up the line so it will all be smooth when you pull it tight. Repeat again if you wish. Mark Vinsel — http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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I jsut got the Mastery Series Bonefish line (sinking) which looks extra slippery. Does anyone have a suggestion on what knot to use to attach the butt section?

THE ALBERTSON KNOT. Mr. G.

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Please post your fishing pictures in our new newsgroup: alt.binaries.pictures.fishing In fact, *anyone* with the means to post their fishing pictures is encouraged to do so as the posts have been few and far between. Stan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check out the picture I posted in alt.binaries.pictures.animals of a nice cutthroat caught Dec. 24/96 in the Big Qualicum River on Vancouver Island. He took an egg fly which we brought with us from Ontario.

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Check out the picture I posted in alt.binaries.pictures.animals of a nice cutthroat caught Dec. 24/96 in the Big Qualicum River on Vancouver Island. He took an egg fly which we brought with us from Ontario.

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Can anyone tell me where I can find salmon fly patterns on the net. I am looking for patterns from Iceland. I have tried two patterns and the colour in them is great, have had great luck with the patterns and would like to get more. Thank you.

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Can anyone tell me where I can find salmon fly patterns on the net. I am looking for patterns from Iceland. I have tried two patterns and the colour in them is great, have had great luck with the patterns and would like to get more. Thank you.

Just curious.  Do you fish these patterns the Icelandic way with the 14′ long rods?  If so, what do you think of that particular style of fishing? Mike

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Anyone have any advice for the Great Falls, Montana are in mid-September. Places to fish, good guides, hatches, good shops.  Equipment to take. Thanks in advance. John Woodling Sacramento, CA

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Anyone have any advice for the Great Falls, Montana are in mid-September. Places to fish, good guides, hatches, good shops.  Equipment to take. Thanks in advance.

Hi John, The Great Falls area should be great in September.  I recommend the Sun River (have to look for access locations) and the Missouri River.  Caddis and Trico’s are the name of the game at that time of the year.   The way I like to fish the Missouri is to float from Holter Dam to Craig and finish by early afternoon.  Then go back and make an evening float from Holter Dam to Wolf Creek Access.  By the way, several friends have advise that a Henryville Caddis (tied with my new Perfect Cut Wings) worked well during a Trico hatch.  Sounds crazy but it was working. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeaman, MT (96 catalog)

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   I only suggest Mike lawson’s if you have 1000 dollars to spend…. they are rude and won’t give you the time of day.  Try Jimmy’s All seasons angler in Idaho Falls…you will get just as good information…better in my opinion and no attitude.

Hi Peter I also suggest the boys at the Hyde Drift Boat Shop in Idaho Falls 208-529-4343. They are also great and very helpful. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Need up to date info on the Henry’s Fork.  Will be there Aug. 15, 16 & 17.  Can anyone help?

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I was just out in July. I suggest you go see Mike Lawson’s fly shop and ask for HELP!  You will NEED IT !! rm

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        I only suggest Mike lawson’s if you have 1000 dollars to spend…. they are rude and won’t give you the time of day.  Try Jimmy’s All seasons angler in Idaho Falls…you will get just as good information…better in my opinion and no attitude.

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I am planning on fishing the Island Park area next week and wondered if anyone has any recent reports as the fishing and water conditions.  At this point I have plans to fish the Henry’s Fork and Warm River.  Anyone have any info please let me know Thanks in advance Robert Warren –

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I am planning on fishing the Island Park area next week and wondered if anyone has any recent reports as the fishing and water conditions.  At this point I have plans to fish the Henry’s Fork and Warm River.  Anyone have any info please let me know

I have been maintaining a WWW Page that tracks both the flows and fishing reports for the area you are going to be in.  Point your browser to: http://www.nicoh.com/flyfish/reports Matt — NICOH Net Internet Access Provider for Eastern Idaho

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