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Goto www.africanfishing.com and click on "articles" and then "pain of cane". My experiences with silk are there.

Haven’t seen the recent improvements you made to your site.  Nice work. So you’re married to someone who catches bigger fish than you?  Looks like she’s not afraid to handle a tigerfish.  What did you do to deserve this fortunate curse?  BTW, I thought you had mentioned catching mullet a while back.  Do you pursue mullet? Mu

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Not my wife (Gaelle), lest she kill me. Just a co-presenter (Taryn McCann) who catches bigger fish. My curse? Having to fire her pretty ass before she catches more! I ain’t caught no mullet. Sudesh Pursad has (I think) www.bamba.co.za. Ari Goto www.africanfishing.com and click on "articles" and then "pain of cane". My experiences with silk are there. Haven’t seen the recent improvements you made to your site.  Nice work. So you’re married to someone who catches bigger fish than you?  Looks like she’s not afraid to handle a tigerfish.  What did you do to deserve this fortunate curse?  BTW, I thought you had mentioned catching mullet a while back.  Do you pursue mullet? Mu

Ari & Gaelle Bert                                   +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                 www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa

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I would like to have comments of Silk Fly lines by someone who has used one. And, anyone know of a source in the U.S. for same? Michael

Mike, I love casting a silk line, they really bring old bamboo rods to life. they need fussing with but it’s worth it when using the older rods with small line guides. and it floats well when fresh. when it gets waterlogged around lunch time just spread it out between a couple trees to air dry, finish lunch and retreat with Mucilin Red Label- don’t use the Green Label, it has silicone which is BAD for silk. or you can do what i do and buy two half lines – Thebault makes them – and switch lines when one gets waterlogged. you can find Phoenix and Thebault lines at www.wagnerrods.com at a good price. the Phoenix is a more polished line right out of the box, the Thebault will take a little breaking in. both are beautiful to look at and hit the water so softly and quietly….try it , you’ll like it cheers, Bob please visit my site at http://www.bluecollarcane.com

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I would like to have comments of Silk Fly lines by someone who has used one. And, anyone know of a source in the U.S. for same?

I use a Phoenix silk DT5 on an old bamboo rod. They’re a match made in flyfishing heaven. Have never tried it on a modern rod. The only place I know of to get a NEW silk line is to mail order from Phoenix in France. http://www.phoenixlines.com/ You can find used silk in the US, but be careful, and make sure you’re getting silk and not nylon. Reed Curry has an excellent article on his web site about purchasing and cleaning old silk lines. http://www.overmywaders.com/articles/cleaningsilk.html HTH — Ken Fortenberry

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Goto www.africanfishing.com and click on "articles" and then "pain of cane". My experiences with silk are there. Ari I would like to have comments of Silk Fly lines by someone who has used one. And, anyone know of a source in the U.S. for same? Michael

Ari & Gaelle Bert                                   +27 (0) 83 232 9903 & +27 (0) 83 236 5308 +27 (0) 11 443 9984 / +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax)                 www.troutfishing.co.za www.africanfishing.com Physical Address: 72 Swemmer Rd, Sunningdale, 2192 Postal Address: P.O.Box 79067, Senderwood, 2145, South Africa

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I would like to have comments of Silk Fly lines by someone who has used one. And, anyone know of a source in the U.S. for same? Michael

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With a crossbow. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any one can cast a dead cat, it’s the live cat that takes real application!!!! Speaking of which, what is the best way to attach the hook and weight a cat? Warren "get a dog and kill a non-barn cat" Findley <g

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With a crossbow.

So do you tie the tippet on around the bolt by the fletching, then pull the bolt through and then tie on the hook or what? Inquiring minds want to know dammit! <g — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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Yes tippet to the bolt and fired so the barbed bolt buries deep enough to ensure a solid connection. If a hook is reverse mounted and tied to the bolt it should be left protruding  enough to ensure hookups. Another tip… good floatant for cats is Mherke’s Manx. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With a crossbow. So do you tie the tippet on around the bolt by the fletching, then pull the bolt through and then tie on the hook or what? Inquiring minds want to know dammit! <g — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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(Salmo gairdneri) The steelhead

Steelhead and rainbows have been reclassified as Onchorynchus mykiss since they are related to pacific salmon and not atlantic salmon. Ocean prowling fish follow food to depths ranging in the hundreds of feet.  This is known to be true in all our deep land locked and Great Lakes.  Color becomes a primary concern to fly tiers and most everyone does not know that the color "Yellow" changes the deeper it goes under water.

Color can matter greatly.  Trolling on the Great Lakes at deptsh of 60 to 100 feet, one week the hot color might be Monkey Puke and the next week it’s a Kevorkian. Mu

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Color can matter greatly.  Trolling on the Great Lakes at deptsh of 60 to 100 feet, one week the hot color might be Monkey Puke and the next week it’s a Kevorkian.

Hmm…I can’t find those colors on my Borger chart… /daytripper (Any shot for #27?)

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Splork!  Trip, you get the bill for cleaning the spewed Dr. Pepper out of my keyboard.     — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Color can matter greatly.  Trolling on the Great Lakes at deptsh of 60 to 100 feet, one week the hot color might be Monkey Puke and the next week it’s a Kevorkian. Hmm…I can’t find those colors on my Borger chart… /daytripper (Any shot for #27?)

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George: Thanks for the info about streamers. I think most of us have not spent as much time as we should learning to tie and fish streamers properly. WhenIi went to the FFF Show in Livingston last month one of the classes in tying that I took was one taught by Scott Sanchez. Among the flies he taught us to tie was the Double Bunny. For those who are not aware, this is the fly that won the One Fly Contest three times and they considered banning it from the contest simply because it worked so well. This fly uses a large hook, a bunch of .035 lead wire and two magnum sized rabbit strips glued together. If you tie it big enough, you need AT LEAST an 8 weight rod to cast it and a 10 weight rod is even better. Casting this streamer is no damn fun, since it feels like you are casting a dead cat, but it sure catches big fish. Our local striper lake is turning over now, so the striper fishing has gone away for a while below the damn, but I am getting a box full of Double Bunny flies ready for when this fishing returns. I may have to break out the big rod and a few of these streamers next month when I will be fishing the White River in Arkansas. I feel a need to work some of these streamers in some holes in that river. Big Dale

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Any one can cast a dead cat, it’s the live cat that takes real application!!!!

Speaking of which, what is the best way to attach the hook and weight a cat? Warren "get a dog and kill a non-barn cat" Findley <g

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Any one can cast a dead cat, it’s the live cat that takes real application!!!! Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – George: Thanks for the info about streamers. I think most of us have not spent as much time as we should learning to tie and fish streamers properly. WhenIi went to the FFF Show in Livingston last month one of the classes in tying that I took was one taught by Scott Sanchez. Among the flies he taught us to tie was the Double Bunny. For those who are not aware, this is the fly that won the One Fly Contest three times and they considered banning it from the contest simply because it worked so well. This fly uses a large hook, a bunch of .035 lead wire and two magnum sized rabbit strips glued together. If you tie it big enough, you need AT LEAST an 8 weight rod to cast it and a 10 weight rod is even better. Casting this streamer is no damn fun, since it feels like you are casting a dead cat, but it sure catches big fish. Our local striper lake is turning over now, so the striper fishing has gone away for a while below the damn, but I am getting a box full of Double Bunny flies ready for when this fishing returns. I may have to break out the big rod and a few of these streamers next month when I will be fishing the White River in Arkansas. I feel a need to work some of these streamers in some holes in that river. Big Dale

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GEORGE GEHRKE Snake River – Hell’s Canyon                     September 5, 2001, 12:00 AM Asotin, WA 99402 PH: 509-243-4100 FAX: 509-243-4644  The old adage, "If you want to catch big fish you should use big bait," has a proven history of working.  When it comes to streamers and their use, I can’t begin to tell all the stories involving the deadly use of them. Streamers are intended to perform two major things when fishing under water.  To entice as in offering an attractor and two, to duplicate something.  In the latter case, streamers are intended to duplicate minnows and small fish. There is a third presentation and that is the combining of the two of an attractor that is also a minnow.  The first streamer that comes to mind is the "Mickey Finn" because it is an attractor but also comes across as a small trout such as the rainbow, brown, or even the cutthroat.  Many large fish take streamers with great power because they sometimes only get a glimpse of it shooting by. I never go anywhere without a couple of these babies somewhere in my vest. Specifically, today I took Gladys out to "Ernie’s Restaurant" which is a Gulf Side place in South Panama City.  It sits among the docks and your view is that of beautiful boats moored dock side.  In between is the kind of clean water that has prowling Snook and other various predators. As we sat snacking on our entrees of crab-cakes and mushrooms laced with a large Jack Daniels Black and seven, I noticed the slick, mirrored water about a hundred yards up, between to docks starting to vibrate which is "nervous water" which really are minnows being corralled.  I said, "Gladys, look!  See that nervous water?  You’re about to see a very nice fish come leaping or swirling right there. Like us, the feed is on."  I no sooner say this and by golly, a very large Snook came out of the water with a mouthful of minnows while two others only slash and soon the water goes calm.  A minute later, the nervous water moves twenty yards toward the docks and under one of them.  The chase continues for over a half hour. Perhaps they were small mullet?  If one knew what they were and if they had a streamer that matched that nervous water, it would be a winner.  There is nothing more thrilling then catching a Snook that pushes twenty pounds or more.  Often these babies around docks are ten to fifteen pounders and on a fly rod one couldn’t ask for more. Well, saltwater fly fishing with streamers isn’t the only place you can catch big fish.  Fresh water streamers are the things one uses most often to set World Records with.  Del Canty of old is a prime example of a master streamer fly fisherman.  He once came to the American Sportsman’s Club in Denver Colorado with a 12 pound Rainbow he caught with a size 4 Muddler Minnow just above the Wigwam Club.  He used a sinking line and twitched that Muddler across the bottom of a deep pool and he was there at day break.  Catching big fish with streamers seems to work best at night, early morning and late evenings. When ocean running salmon and steelhead, both being anadromous fish, give the fly fisherman a great advantage because they come back to their birth rivers with memories.  Yes, conditioned memories, for they know what they’ve been chasing and feeding on a thousand miles away. IF, we as fly fishermen can "Match the Memory" with the proper streamers, you’ve hit a home run. Here, is a unique problem that presents itself.  As with the Mickey Finn, one is able to duplicate minnow type and attractive thoughts such as sparkle of the Minnie scales that explode and drift and shine during feeding attacks into schools of minnows.  We can duplicate the carnage in the red we use in our streamers for the blood, and you’re able to tie the baby smolt of other fish, the sardines, darters, any number of things that live in between you and their ocean homes. (Salmo gairdneri) The steelhead, will return to the ocean three and even four or more times but not much over that.  The salmon return and often propagate only once and then die.  Their flesh turns back into nutrients and returns to the sea.  Birds, animals, all that is in contact with a salmon river benefit directly and indirectly.  But the steelhead is a creature that can provide a fly fisherman with an endless amount of useful information.  For instance. Ocean prowling fish follow food to depths ranging in the hundreds of feet.  This is known to be true in all our deep land locked and Great Lakes.  Color becomes a primary concern to fly tiers and most everyone does not know that the color "Yellow" changes the deeper it goes under water. It doesn’t take much depth to affect yellow as the ultraviolet rays separate from normal white light when it enters the water.  Yellow becomes various shades of green.  If Steelhead or any other fish that is atune to a shade of green on an offering being offered deep, a green at the beginning will be the wrong green down deep, whereas one may want to consider starting with a shade of yellow for it to become the right shade of green upon arrival.  This is why I have some Green Butted Skunks tied with yellow butts instead of green, just in case. It works! What we don’t know about fly tying and streamers is infinitely greater then what we know, which means, we really don’t know all that much yet.  Streamers and tying them and then fishing them, even in these modern times is of less interest to the general fly fishing public then they were in the past.  I’m from the old streamer school of fly fishermen.  I’m one of those old fogies that did more (and still do) more streamer fly fishing then dry fly fishing.  In fact, I do three times more nymph fishing then I do dries.  To my mind, trout and most fish do 9/10ths of their feeding under water, not taking things off the top only 1/10th of the time.  Somehow, I think following the real action makes more sense.  True, dry fly fishing is the nicest thing to do since sex.  Who can argue with that.  Thank goodness fly fishing lasts longer. I don’t know what the real percentage is regarding how much food trout get under water but I’m confident it’s over 7/10ths of the time. Trout don’t like coming to the surface because it’s dangerous!  If the food supply and calorie content makes it worth it, sure they’re going to rise to the fly but it is still dangerous.  This is one of the main reasons STREAMERS make trout feel right at home.  They are used to chasing things and they like chasing my streamers. That, sort of makes me smile a lot. Out of a half dozen favorite flies I’d pick the Muddler Minnow and Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear as my first two choices.  The Muddler is so ugly it’s pretty.  Dave Whitlock has tied various styles of them and anyone who researches that aspect of his signature regarding Muddler Minnows will not be wasting their time. One should seine for the Muddler Minnows in their rivers for this could be an eye opener because they are often larger, darker, more big headed and uglier then you imagine.  Large trout don’t chase too many Muddlers because they are a well camouflaged fish and they hug the bottom in order to stay alive.  By offering a Muddler Minnow Streamer that comes off the bottom will get many fishes attention.  Many times when Steelhead fishing, you can track one of these in a convincing wake because you’re able to trim the chin in such a manner so it will plane properly.  Talk about a champion offering, this often will save the day. I often abandon streamers during the heat of the day not unless I can get into broken water where large fish are sulking under their window of safety.  Even then, the current is much too fast and you will often get only the eager, strong eighteen inch browns and bows.  It is NIGHT TIME where big fish come out to chase little fish up to about twelve to fourteen inches.  This is why one need not fear feeling ridiculous by offering a streamer monstrosity whenever it suits their fancy.  You know those big #2 4X hooks you have in storage slowly rusting away from lack of  use?  Well, those are the babies that those meat eating ten to twenty pound browns will chase willingly.  The darker the night, the better.  Never, never, never under estimate the seeing powers of trout’s eyes.  If you catch a big hog brown, do your future fishing a favor. Fillet it and send it to T-Bone for his Barbie. The attractive powers of streamers and night fishing is one of those unsung aspects of fly fishing that usually appeals to those who are willing to try anything new and who are not afraid of things that go thump in the night!  I knew of a day time worker that slept at night. He often fly fished at night and he always seemed to be catching the really big fish. Think about Bates and Steamers and Bodacious Browns.  You just might get hooked. Tying Streamers is really a LOT OF FUN!  Hooking up using them, even more!

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Dan, Are you talking about saltwater speckled trout or garfish? Inquiring minds wanna know. I used to love fishing for the "specs" in and around Sarasota. go gatahs…. Walt I never miss a home game at gatorsville, but this time of year the only gators I think about are Gator Trout.Have C.& R.  11 in the past week 22 inches or longer. Will start to think about choump choump  Gators in Sept.    Capt Dan   We play St. Bobby at home this year. Choump—–Choump **** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ****

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I never miss a home game at gatorsville, but this time of year the only gators I think about are Gator Trout.Have C.& R.  11 in the past week 22 inches or longer. Will start to think about choump choump  Gators in Sept.    Capt Dan   We play St. Bobby at home this year. Choump—–Choump **** Posted from RemarQ – http://www.remarq.com – Discussions Start Here ™ ****

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Matt, I like the camelback myself for long hot days. But where does this slimy little geek Malik get the crazy idea to SPAM a fly fishing newsgroup with this stuff. Where or where would he get the idea that he could SPAM in ROFF???? I take my camelback fishing, so it is "technically" an on-topic post.     – Ken    umm, ken, i plan on taking my gerkhe bastard fishing.  does this mean you are gonna get off george’s ass, at last?

Actually, Wayno, you missed the point, it was sarcasm.  Both are SPAM.  The point was that people complained about the camelback dude, but want to give George free rein.  I just hold all the spammers in equal disdain. Later,      - Ken — "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the  initiative in creating the Internet."  - Al Gore

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Waldo,   Don’t know how much attention you pay tohim, but Beano Cook is already predicting the 2000 Sugar Bowl (which will be the BCS championship game): The chomp chomp fun and gun Gators of the University of Spurrier                                        vs.         The Penn State JoePa is God Nittany Lions Need I point out where I went to college?  College football is life, and life is good.

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I like the hard hat with the built in beer can holders and long straw that hangs by your mouth. Bet Walt has one to. Big Al

shoot Al, how’d you know that. betcha didn’t know it’s a big ole UF gatah and it holds a sixpak. cool thing is, it has a gatah jaw brim with a length of  mono. when you tug on the mono the jaws go up and down like a real gatah… pretty neat huh. man, back in g’ville in the early eighties i couldn’t keep the gatorettes off me when i wore that cap. hell, mebbe it was the beer, who knows. waldo gatah

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Matt, I like the camelback myself for long hot days. But where does this slimy little geek Malik get the crazy idea to SPAM a fly fishing newsgroup with this stuff.

Where or where would he get the idea that he could SPAM in ROFF???? I take my camelback fishing, so it is "technically" an on-topic post.      - Ken — "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the  initiative in creating the Internet."  - Al Gore

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Matt, I like the camelback myself for long hot days. But where does this slimy little geek Malik get the crazy idea to SPAM a fly fishing newsgroup with this stuff. Where or where would he get the idea that he could SPAM in ROFF???? I take my camelback fishing, so it is "technically" an on-topic post.     – Ken

        umm, ken, i plan on taking my gerkhe bastard fishing.  does this mean you are gonna get off george’s ass, at last? wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."  - Al Gore

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Matt, I like the camelback myself for long hot days. But where does this slimy little geek Malik get the crazy idea to SPAM a fly fishing newsgroup with this stuff.  My first impression is this guy couldn’t make the sale to the Lilian Vernon Catalogue! Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.     don’t spend alot of money on crap, buy a camelbak, I’m in the army and we use them everywhere, it’s like a water backpack…never sloshes..nobody uses canteens in the army now…you can find them at sporting goods stores

I like the hard hat with the built in beer can holders and long straw that hangs by your mouth. Bet Walt has one to. Big Al

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     don’t spend alot of money on crap, buy a camelbak, I’m in the army and we use them everywhere, it’s like a water backpack…never sloshes..nobody uses canteens in the army now…you can find them at sporting goods stores

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Matt, I like the camelback myself for long hot days. But where does this slimy little geek Malik get the crazy idea to SPAM a fly fishing newsgroup with this stuff.  My first impression is this guy couldn’t make the sale to the Lilian Vernon Catalogue! Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     don’t spend alot of money on crap, buy a camelbak, I’m in the army and we use them everywhere, it’s like a water backpack…never sloshes..nobody uses canteens in the army now…you can find them at sporting goods stores

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I’ll be in north georgia next week and plan to fly fish for trout.  I”m used to fishing Montana, so I’m not sure what to use. Any suggestions on flys or streams?

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<<I’ll be in north georgia next week and plan to fly fish for trout.  I”m used to fishing Montana, so I’m not sure what to use. Any suggestions on flys or streams? Try the Chattooga in the NE corner of the state.  Take Fire Road 646 off of Rt28 to Burrells Ford.  Walk upstream about two miles and fish down. In Helen, off of Alt 75, fish Dukes Creek.  Reservations necessary. Visit the fly shop in Helen on Rt 75.  They should be able to set ya straight.  Then, go next door to the working grist mill and sample Georgia Ice Cream (actually grits). Dave LaCourse A Bay Stater who’s heart is in Georgia (along with 90 acres). d;0)

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I’ll be in north georgia next week and plan to fly fish for trout.  I”m used to fishing Montana, so I’m not sure what to use. Any suggestions on flys or streams?

Take a look at http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ngto/ — Charlie…

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Can you cast easily in your bathroom?   If you want to get the true feel of Apalachian flyfishing try the Noontootla. The scenery is worth it, but she’s a man-killer. Another spot, if you have access to a float tube or canoe is the tailrace of the Toccoa River below the Blue Ridge Dam (in Blue Ridge GA).  Easy access at the dam and you can get out a few mile down the river at a bridge or at the homes along the bank.  Try to time it so that you are at the dam when they stop generating and turn down the flow.  The trout will start rising as the water drops. The Chattooga is a far more comfortable river to fish, open enough for a back cast all the way to Elliott Rock (which is the NC,SC, and GA border.)  You need a NC license to fish above Elliott Rock.   Good Luck. Patrick

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Can someone give a beginner where he can try flyfishing on the Mad River. I’ve heard good things about it but have not fished it.

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Best access near the hatchery in Blue Lake. Expect crowds, so fish during the week if possible. Try Black wooly buggers, or dark streamers. Comets might also work. Large fish 7 wt. + rod recommended. For FF fish 3-4 days after rains, as river frequently muddy. If in this area, consider VAn-Duzen river also when open.

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GBloomf405 Anywhere a bridge crosses is public access to the Mad.  Between West Liberty, Ohio (where the best of the fishing starts) and Urbana (where the river becomes too warm to support trout) there are probably 40+ bridges. As long as you are in the stream bed you are ok.  Outside the bed its trespassing.  That’s why the bridges are the surest access.  The Mad does not have a natural population of trout.  It is stocked twice a year by the ODNR.  Most flyfisherman catch and release.  There is very intense fishing on this river by bait and lure throwers.   Chromids, prince nymphs, streamers, crawfish and caddis are reliable. There is not one good place to go.  Buy a State Gazetteer and pick some spots.  I have never found a stretch to deep to wade.  It is sandy bottomed and the current is provided by natural springs.  That’s what makes the something more that you would like to know.  The Orvis dealer in COlumbus, Mad River Outfitters can be of help and he guides the river out of an AuSable boat.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone give a beginner where he can try flyfishing on the Mad River. I’ve heard good things about it but have not fished it.

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Really Recommend calling Mad River Outfitters, in Columbus Ohio of Bethel Road.. Brian, Owner there has written up a book on Flyfishing the Mad, with Access Maps, entymology and the history of the River.  It is a wonderful read, and thouroughly a help.. This is a very tough River to catch fish on, atleast it was for me… Kevin C. Paulson

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That’s because you’re a gimp!

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I’M TELLING YOU THIS IS THE TRUTH. THERE IS PRACTICALLY NO PRESSURE ON THIS STREAM, AT LEAST WHEN I WAS FISHING IT BACK IN ‘92 -’95, AND IF YOU EXERCISED THE LEAST BIT OF RESTRAINT AND WERE AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT STEALTHY (SP?) YOU COULD BUST THESE BAD BOYS WITH REGULARITY ON ROYAL WULFFS AND YELLOW HUMPYS. THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE ANYMORE WITH ALL THE GODDAMN CALIFORNIANS AND NORMAN MACLAIN WANNABES TROMPING THROUGH THE WATER LIKE SOLDIERS ON THE BEACHES OF NORMANDY. THE WEST END OF THE CREEK JUST BEFORE IT’S CONFLUENCE WITH THE EAGLE RIVER IS EXCEPTONAL. AND IN THE WINTER IT’S EVEN BETTER. PRESSURE MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I can confirm that you can catch 20+ inchers in the town of vail.  I’ve : only been up there one day and I hooked into a couple 15"-ers but as I : was kayaking another day I saw some other people catching larger ones and : the guide at the fly store was telling tales of 25" fish he had cought : that week. Wow.  A 25" rainbow in a mountain stream (without a lake at the bottom) is a rare thing these days.  I’m sure the rarity is increased in the middle of town.  Good catch indeed. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

That’s great, now I can walk across the street for a Big Max—-T Wigs—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This "Trout in Town" thing is not only real, it is the norm around here in Colorado. In fact Mr. Fletcher, I’ll show you a spot in Colorado where you can catch a 24 incher behind a major busy grocery store. TimW         well, boys, i’d be proud to show you where you can catch a 12 inch rainbow so far from any real town that you forget the color of traffic lights.  but there would be damn few 24 inchers.  and the folks you’d be fishin with talk funny.                 a. wayne harrison

lets go. TimW

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: I can confirm that you can catch 20+ inchers in the town of vail.  I’ve : only been up there one day and I hooked into a couple 15"-ers but as I : was kayaking another day I saw some other people catching larger ones and : the guide at the fly store was telling tales of 25" fish he had cought : that week. Wow.  A 25" rainbow in a mountain stream (without a lake at the bottom) is a rare thing these days.  I’m sure the rarity is increased in the middle of town.  Good catch indeed. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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This "Trout in Town" thing is not only real, it is the norm around here in Colorado.   In fact Mr. Fletcher, I’ll show you a spot in Colorado where you can catch a 24 incher behind a major busy grocery store. TimW

        well, boys, i’d be proud to show you where you can catch a 12 inch rainbow so far from any real town that you forget the color of traffic lights.  but there would be damn few 24 inchers.  and the folks you’d be fishin with talk funny.                 a. wayne harrison

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Gore Creek has some pretty big fish and they ain’t all that tame. I haven’t caught a 20" trout there but I’ve no trouble believing that there are fish that big and larger. Catching them is a bit tricky, however.  Jeff

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I can confirm that you can catch 20+ inchers in the town of vail.  I’ve only been up there one day and I hooked into a couple 15"-ers but as I was kayaking another day I saw some other people catching larger ones and the guide at the fly store was telling tales of 25" fish he had cought that week. Leave a few for me and remember a lot of the area is restricted fishing. TJ

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I particularly like bashing stockers for the smoker in front of the tourists at the rest areas along I-70. And I can never understand why some of the folks on here think you taunt them…

They’re too sensitive. TimW

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: I can confirm that you can catch 20+ inchers in the town of vail.  I’ve : only been up there one day and I hooked into a couple 15"-ers but as I : was kayaking another day I saw some other people catching larger ones and : the guide at the fly store was telling tales of 25" fish he had cought : that week. Wow.  A 25" rainbow in a mountain stream (without a lake at the bottom) is a rare thing these days.  I’m sure the rarity is increased in the middle of town.  Good catch indeed.

The chances are very, very good that this was a brooder released (sent to pasture) by the CDOW.   Gore creek can not support this sized fish naturally. TimW

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: You should see the holding pools and trout observation structure (it is : cool, like a sea world underground view into a large hole below a rapid) : in Boulder, Co.  Many, may big fish.  Lots are the DOW brooders sent to : pasture. And that is really the thought behind my post.  I know Boulder pretty well, and I don’t recall "many, many big fish".  No wonder, when one considers the number of kids splashing around in the water and homeless people looking for chow.  I do know there are quite a number of fish in Boulder Creek downtown, I just didn’t believe they were large.  Now I do.   I’ve always admired Missoula with the Clarks Fork running through town. Noon whistle bell rings and the folks head to the river with their rods. One o’clock comes and they go back to work. : Grizzly King.  Again, ‘parkish’.  I particularly like bashing stockers : for the smoker in front of the tourists at the rest areas along I-70. And I can never understand why some of the folks on here think you taunt them… : In fact Mr. Fletcher, I’ll show you a spot in Colorado where you can catch : a 24 incher behind a major busy grocery store. I do that all the time.  The trick is to hide behind a box and then jump out when they toss the overripe salmon in the garbage.  I often hear "good catch". What is that story by McGuane where he walks through town and catches fish? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: Hey everyone, : I have a question. If you only had one evening to fish within a : half-hour of Vail, where would you choose to fish? I am going up : there tomorrow and would like your insight. : Thanks : JS  Homestake Creek, south of Minturn. It’s beyond Battle Mt. and Redcliff.  Turn right at the cabin with the Hummingbird feeder to cross a small  bridge on the creek. Anywhere on the ~8 miles to Homestake Res. has  nice little Brookies. Clean water, no tailing drainage, unlike the  Eagle near Minturn. Even if you don’t catch anything, it’s an interesting  drive past Battle Mt.  Tallyho !  Alpha Kilo

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:  Homestake Creek, south of Minturn. It’s beyond Battle Mt. and Redcliff. :  Turn right at the cabin with the Hummingbird feeder to cross a small :  bridge on the creek. Anywhere on the ~8 miles to Homestake Res. has :  nice little Brookies. Clean water, no tailing drainage, unlike the :  Eagle near Minturn. Even if you don’t catch anything, it’s an interesting :  drive past Battle Mt. I’ve heard that it is absolutely useless to use surface flies on the fish near Minturn.  Nothing works but nymphs.  I guess they have so much lead in them that they can’t get to the surface to go for a dry fly.  They just sink to the bottom.  Dynamite doesn’t even bring them up.  True? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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:  Homestake Creek, south of Minturn. It’s beyond Battle Mt. and Redcliff. :  Turn right at the cabin with the Hummingbird feeder to cross a small :  bridge on the creek. Anywhere on the ~8 miles to Homestake Res. has :  nice little Brookies. Clean water, no tailing drainage, unlike the :  Eagle near Minturn. Even if you don’t catch anything, it’s an interesting :  drive past Battle Mt. I’ve heard that it is absolutely useless to use surface flies on the fish near Minturn.  Nothing works but nymphs.  I guess they have so much lead in them that they can’t get to the surface to go for a dry fly.  They just sink to the bottom.  Dynamite doesn’t even bring them up.  True?

but it’s really worth it, ’cause you can catch a 4 inch fish and honestly tell the boys in the shop that you nailed a 6 pounder…. TimW

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You have a gold medal stream running right through the heart of Vail, Gore Creek. Twenty inch rainbows on attractors. The best in town fishing in Colorado.

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Rick, : You have a gold medal stream running right through the heart of Vail, : Gore Creek. Twenty inch rainbows on attractors. The best in town : fishing in Colorado. I find this to be a remarkable statement, that 20 inch bows can be caught in town.  If it is true, that is the ultimate "tame" fish.

        I can readily believe that you could read something like this in         a brochure published by the Vail Chamber of Commerce, but don’t         bet your firstborn on it.  Nor should you put much stock in the         "Two Trout Over 16 Inches" signs; if you read the shocking reports         you will quickly realize that they’re really just a statistically         and politically correct way to say "Catch and Release".         However, in a stream not far away …                                                   Tom

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: You have a gold medal stream running right through the heart of Vail, : Gore Creek. Twenty inch rainbows on attractors. The best in town : fishing in Colorado. I find this to be a remarkable statement, that 20 inch bows can be caught in town.  If it is true, that is the ultimate "tame" fish. Can anyone confirm whether J&J’s assertion is true?

This is not only true, but it is the trend in urban stream reclamation. The Roaring Fork through Aspen is the same way.  "Parkish", I would call it. You should see the holding pools and trout observation structure (it is cool, like a sea world underground view into a large hole below a rapid) in Boulder, Co.  Many, may big fish.  Lots are the DOW brooders sent to pasture. The planners in Glenwood have planned and started construction on a bike path along the Fork through town.  They rollerblade in bikinis along the colorado through the Glenwood Canyon, and you need to be careful where you hurl the Grizzly King.  Again, ‘parkish’.  I particularly like bashing stockers for the smoker in front of the tourists at the rest areas along I-70. The best section of the Blue (trust me) *IS* in the Heart of Silverthorne, problem here is property access.  Same in Breckenridge, Ouray etc. etc. This "Trout in Town" thing is not only real, it is the norm around here in Colorado.   In fact Mr. Fletcher, I’ll show you a spot in Colorado where you can catch a 24 incher behind a major busy grocery store. TimW

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: You have a gold medal stream running right through the heart of Vail, : Gore Creek. Twenty inch rainbows on attractors. The best in town : fishing in Colorado. I find this to be a remarkable statement, that 20 inch bows can be caught in town.  If it is true, that is the ultimate "tame" fish. Can anyone confirm whether J&J’s assertion is true? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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writes: Hey everyone, I have a question. If you only had one evening to fish within a half-hour of Vail, where would you choose to fish? I am going up there tomorrow and would like your insight. Thanks JS

Js, I think that would be Beaver Creek in Beaver Creek (just outside of Vail) I hear that’s some good small stream fishing but, haven’t tried it yet. Probably some mosquito’s, elk hair caddis, small humpy’s, ect… would work just fine. Best of luck….Cliff

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Hey everyone, I have a question. If you only had one evening to fish within a half-hour of Vail, where would you choose to fish? I am going up there tomorrow and would like your insight. Thanks JS

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Hey everyone, I have a question. If you only had one evening to fish within a half-hour of Vail, where would you choose to fish? I am going up there tomorrow and would like your insight. Thanks JS

Why not fish Gore Creek, which possesses Gold-Medal waters right through the city of Vail?  Eagle and Colorado Rivers are close-by and are always nice rivers… — MORGAN P. BROWN                 Colorado School of Mines                 Rice University                 Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown                http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

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On our recent trip to the Snake River (Oregon/Idaho border), we caught several small Crappies and took the little fillets off and used them for bait.  Needless to say, we ended up with about 100 fish between 3 and 4 pounds, which are excellent eating size.  The guts of crappie also work well.  Good luck!

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…. bought new Gambler, mama sez one of ‘em gotta go !!! Do like I did, let mama go.

Hmmmmmmm, Richard, I think you’ve got something there, buddy …. Let me think about this …. then I could probably keep both boats, my truck and afford a new truck also …… hmmmmmmm                        good fishing                          Jim

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: …. bought new Gambler, mama sez one of ‘em gotta go !!! :   : Do like I did, let mama go. : : : Hmmmmmmm, Richard, I think you’ve got something there, buddy …. Let me : think about this …. then I could probably keep both boats, my truck and : afford a new truck also …… hmmmmmmm Yep pretty much what I did. Now I have a 17.5 foot ProCraft and a new 20 foot Ranger. And a new suburban to pull it with. Course I still have my old 87 van to drive to work. Works for me. Good fishing, All About Computers      | (810) 456-3894 (work) 2887 Pontiac Ct.         | (810) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   | Single and not taking applications. 48326                    | Interviews maybe.

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Hmmmmmmm, Richard, I think you’ve got something there, buddy …. Let me think about this …. then I could probably keep both boats, my truck and afford a new truck also …… hmmmmmmm Yep pretty much what I did. Now I have a 17.5 foot ProCraft and a new 20foot Ranger. And a new suburban to pull it with. Course I still have my old 87 van to drive to work.

Exactly , I would have the 17′ tracker, 19′3" gambler, my 86 Ford F250 (200,000 miles and still going strong, FORD TUFF), then could get my new 97 F350 ….. with gun rack, new 30-30 or 30-06 or politically incorrect socalled "assault weapon" just to tick off the liberals … sounds like a plan, buddy ……                 see ya on the water  (Potomac, that is)                     Jim

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: 1995 Tracker Pro 17 with 25hp merc OB … Motor guide 37lb trolling motor : fully equipped with 2 humminbird Wide Eye fishfinders (bow and console : mounted) *** Trailstar trailer *** Excellent condition   $4500.00 : located in Spotsylvania, VA  fished on freshwater lakes and Potomac river : only …. bought new Gambler, mama sez one of ‘em gotta go !!! Do like I did, let mama go. Expensive at first but now I have two bass boats. Good fishing, All About Computers      | (810) 456-3894 (work) 2887 Pontiac Ct.         | (810) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   | Single and not taking applications. 48326                    | Interviews maybe.

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1995 Tracker Pro 17 with 25hp merc OB … Motor guide 37lb trolling motor fully equipped with 2 humminbird Wide Eye fishfinders (bow and console mounted) *** Trailstar trailer *** Excellent condition   $4500.00 located in Spotsylvania, VA  fished on freshwater lakes and Potomac river only …. bought new Gambler, mama sez one of ‘em gotta go !!!

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What bait is good for channel cats in medium sized lakes? I’ve only caught one once and it was by accident, in Florida, on a fly! Thanks for any help, Dave in Spokane, WA… known on IRC as "Dubbing"

In lieu of live bait or chicken livers, I’ve specifically seen channel cats take small crappie spinners, i.e. Roadrunners.  Also, small crankbaits work as well.  Not to mention plastic worms.  Now I’m not sure about other species of cats though. — **                           ** **   David Meyers **                           **

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Well, I’d just like to say something. Being from the same state, I can testify that Washington doesn’t allow live fish as bait.

That’s true here in Oklahoma, as well, at least if the fish is considered a "gamefish" species.  It doesn’t include minnows.  Also, nightcrawlers or earthworms work well for channel cats. If you can’t use live bait of any kind, that’s no problem.  Catfish love chicken livers and all sorts of prepared baits that are commercially available.  Dried beef blood also works well. Nor do they allow fishing with more than one rod.

That’s true only in some areas here.  If you can only use 1 rod, it makes it harder to try a variety of baits all at once.  You may be allowed to use multiple hooks on 1 line.  If so, this can help. You can’t even troll at different depths.

No problem here.  Although I have heard of people catching channel cats while trolling, they are not a fish one trolls for.  You find a good hole and sit on it. Stupid, I know, but that’s the way it is. Any other suggestions? I’m interested in catfish myself, and the only other type here is bullheads.

Does your state allow chumming?  That means throwing some kind of food into an area to attract the fish and stimulate feeding.  You can buy commercial catfish chum, or just buy a big bag of cheap dog food.  Throw some in an area before you start fishing.  You can also chum a spot every day at the same time for up to 2 weeks before you actually start fishing.  The cats will be there waiting for "feeding time" when you show up to catch ‘em.  Of course, this may not be legal in your state. Hope this helps.  Good luck and good fishing! Richard

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Well, I’d just like to say something. Being from the same state, I can testify that Washington doesn’t allow live fish as bait. Nor do they allow fishing with more than one rod. You can’t even troll at different depths. Stupid, I know, but that’s the way it is. Any other suggestions? I’m interested in catfish myself, and the only other type here is bullheads. Arklier Firsty is the best!

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What bait is good for channel cats in medium sized lakes? I’ve only caught one once and it was by accident, in Florida, on a fly! Thanks for any help, Dave in Spokane, WA… known on IRC as "Dubbing"

‘ ‘ I’ve recently just gotten into catching channel cats, there are a ton of commercial channel cat baits available, any of them will do. The "blood" baits work good also. Liver, shrimp, bacon strips(raw), will do also. I’ve read where channel cats would prefer to eat the fresher tasting meats if available. Here’s also a few "house baits" that I have seen proven to work when your pressed for time and money: Soap Cotton Balls soaked with anything stinky Marshmellows Hot Dog Chunks Lunch meats Onion Chunks – (weird eh?) Apple Chunks With cats just about anything with a scent will attract them! p.s. Don’t forget to "chum" them in with a bag of crunchy dog food!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: What bait is good for channel cats in medium sized lakes? I’ve only caught one once and it was by accident, in Florida, on a fly! Thanks for any help, Dave in Spokane, WA… known on IRC as "Dubbing" Channel cats will eat damned near anything.  I’ve caught them on minnows, worms (nightcrawlers), crawdads, chicken livers (& gizzards), and homemade stinkbait (not for the faint of heart .  I’ve seen my uncle catch them using possum grapes and mulberries, when these were ripe on the trees along the creek bank (matching the hatch .  There is also a wide variety of commercial baits available for channel cats. Which one of these will work best depends on the location and conditions. When I go catfish fishing, I try to take a variety of baits.  I use 3 rods and bait up with a little of everything.  If the fish show a preference for one type of bait, I switch to that one. I hope this helps.  Good luck and good fishing! Richard Had a catfish guide take me out on Lake Marion (Santee Cooper) S.

Carolina. They use live shad. I would think any small fish would do. They cut the tail off the fish so as to leave a blood trail as they drift. Check out the rig they use. Its a 6" section of parachute cord ( any armynavy store will have this). Fill it with split shot and seal it with a lighter. With a snap swivel and 3′ of line connect it to the bottom of a three way swivel, put your bait out on a 2′ leader. You can cover alot of ground and not a single hang up. Tight lines…..Alex

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What bait is good for channel cats in medium sized lakes? I’ve only caught one once and it was by accident, in Florida, on a fly! Thanks for any help, Dave in Spokane, WA… known on IRC as "Dubbing"

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What bait is good for channel cats in medium sized lakes? I’ve only caught one once and it was by accident, in Florida, on a fly! Thanks for any help, Dave in Spokane, WA… known on IRC as "Dubbing"

Channel cats will eat damned near anything.  I’ve caught them on minnows, worms (nightcrawlers), crawdads, chicken livers (& gizzards), and homemade stinkbait (not for the faint of heart .  I’ve seen my uncle catch them using possum grapes and mulberries, when these were ripe on the trees along the creek bank (matching the hatch .  There is also a wide variety of commercial baits available for channel cats. Which one of these will work best depends on the location and conditions. When I go catfish fishing, I try to take a variety of baits.  I use 3 rods and bait up with a little of everything.  If the fish show a preference for one type of bait, I switch to that one. I hope this helps.  Good luck and good fishing! Richard

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Hi….     I would like some advice on HOW to fish for Steelhead on a fly!! I have been swinging green and red butted skunks in the South Santiam River for two years now, without a take on the fly. I  fish the tailouts and ripples for hours. I have spent my thirty hours on the water, I WANT MY FISH! (Smile)      What do I need to buy or learn about these fish that would make me one of the %10 of the people who catch %90 of the Steelhead. At the present time: I am using light 7 weight, 8 1/2 foot long with floating line and a 9 foot leader. I use a couple of split shot about a foot from the fly to get it to sink. I don’t weight my Steelhead flys… I was told not to by a local flyshop operator, "DEFINITELY DO NOT PUT LEAD ON YOUR FLYS."        Do I need to buy some kinda of sinking line, something like a Deep Water Express to go deeper for Steelhead. I fish for them below the serface during the summer months. *This is what I have read: fish for Steelhead right below the surface during the summer months because the fishes matabolism speeds up due to the warmth of the water and the need to spawn. Also, do Steelhead stay near the bottom of the river most all of the time they are traveling up the river? I see an occasional steelie jump out of the water, but as spectacular as this events is, it is but brief pause to my clinching teeth and despondantly cursing these fish out of my frustration. Heck, I used every fowl word in the English language, so I took up speaking Spanish so that I could curse these fish in another language. (Smile)     In the spirit of flyfishing, if you live in Oregon and understand how to fish for steelhead, then please respond to this message. Even if you don’t…any advice would be nice. If you are fishing for these fish near or around the Eugene, Oregon or Salem, Oregon area, and wouldn’t mind giving a beginner some advice on the river, then let me know and I will bring the beer and lunch. *Sorry, I am a poor college student and can’t afford a guide, even though I would love to charter a guide for a day.*      Thanks…          Joey Hurt  

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    In the spirit of flyfishing, if you live in Oregon and understand   how to fish for steelhead, then please respond to this message. Even if   you don’t…any advice would be nice. If you are fishing for these fish   near or around the Eugene, Oregon or Salem, Oregon area, and wouldn’t   mind giving a beginner some advice on the river, then let me know and I   will bring the beer and lunch. *Sorry, I am a poor college student and   can’t afford a guide, even though I would love to charter a guide for a   day.*       Thanks…           Joey Hurt  

Joey,     No, you don’t need a sinking line.  Actually, you don’t even need a subsurface fly, particularly on fresh fish.  I am a little curious about the S. Santiam as your river of choice.  Any particular reason you picked it over the N. Santiam, the Umpqua the Deschutes or others?  Fishing for steelhead is something of an act of faith these days.  There were somewhat less than 500 wild fish over Sherars Falls on the Deschutes last year.  In the mid 80s, we had just under 10,000. Sounds like you are going about it in the right way, though it is difficult to tell if your are maximizing your chances by picking prime time (of day and year) for the water you are fishing.  You might consider hooking up with a club, the Santiam Flycasters in Salem.  You can access them through Keith Burkhart at the Valley Flyfisher on Alice St. in Salem.                                             Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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Joey, Check out The Anadramous Page on the web.  If you can’t find it, let me know and I’ll send you the URL. Mike

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all i really know about steelhead is that you dont carch them they catch you.  im a student at osu and live in corvallis year round.  i am new to the game but would be more than happy to double team those bastard fish.   by the way have you tried the fork below jefferson wheere the north and south meet. -craig

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writes: :   Hi I am looking for some information on fly fishing. I : want to know about how much it would cost me to get started. Also : I would like to know any other info to help me gewt started. : Many thanks : Robert

Well Robert, I began fly fishing on a rod made by my friends dad, it was a 7 12 four weight…..a month later I got a L.L. Bean 8 foot 5 weight for 295.00 that includes the reel…..its a great rod and I consider it a very good price for the fun and fish i’ve gotton from it so far…..THey will send you a catalog if you call…..they also have fly kits that will start you out for about 25 dollars……good luck…. Matt, age 16

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   Hi I am looking for some information on fly fishing. I want to know about how much it would cost me to get started. Also I would like to know any other info to help me gewt started. Many thanks Robert

Bob: From another Bob.  Find yourself a sports shop that at least carries flyfishing equipment.  Buy a "discovery" or "introductory" outfit that includes an 8′ to 9′ rod in a 5 or 6 weight.  See if your local adult education organization (or the shop you bought the outfit from) has any beginner flyfishing/casting classes, and go do it.   The outfit shouldn’t cost you much more than $100 to $150. Another good way to try it out is to find a FLYFISHING guide in your area and hire him/her for a day.  A little more expensive, but they can probably provide the equipment, give you some great instruction, and you would probably even catch some fish. Finally, a couple more sources to try are Fly Rod and Reel, American Angler, and Flyfishing magazines.  Also, you may already know about this, but you might want to post your inquiry on the newsgroup rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. Have fun, it’s a great sport. Bob Peters

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:       Hi I am looking for some information on fly fishing. I : want to know about how much it would cost me to get started. Also : I would like to know any other info to help me gewt started. : Many thanks : Robert Don’t do what I did, and buy the $29.95 Fly-Fishing starter-kit from Shakespeare! What a mistake. I have yet to get a fly on/in the water with this set-up… The fly-line included with the kit was made in China and was wrapped up with a VERY gummy/sticky label. Even after cleaning at the line for an hour it was still gummy and wouldn’t slide through the guides, so I shopped around for some replacement line. $15 dollars (and much confusion about which type line to buy) later, I had that, but still couldn’t get the thing to cast at all, so it’s collecting dust in a corner of the basement. I did manage to succesfully do some flyfishing this past week though, for the first time in my life. I bought some clear bobbers, and used them with about 4 feet of 6lb leader and a fly on my spinning rod. I caught a bucket full of large bluegills, crappie, and bass. Some of the fish were hitting on the bobber, so maybe I should adapt a hook onto it for next time… Anyone else do the majority of their fishing from a seakayak? Cecil Williams

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I am looking at buying (or building) a 7 foot 3wt rod and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions about rods they particularly enjoy.

Winston 7′6" 2 wt…Killer rod for small stream/small pond use, casts just beautifully…I caught a 20" rainbow on this last year and thought I was gonna die – the most fun I’ve had trout’n! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <           "Read this and nobody gets hurt"           < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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I am looking at buying (or building) a 7 foot 3wt rod and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions about rods they particularly enjoy. Thanks

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: I am looking at buying (or building) a 7 foot 3wt : rod and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions : about rods they particularly enjoy. : Thanks It’s a little off, but I just built a Sage 7′9" 3wt LL and it’s a real sweetheart.  Moderately slow action, deep flex.  It makes working with only 6 to 10 feet of line out a pleasure.  Much better on small creeks like the St. Vrain than my 9′ Sage RPL.  Have fun, I’m sure you’ll get LOTS of good suggestions.

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My favorite brookie rod is a 6 1/2 foot 3/4 wt., built on a Loomis IM-6 blank by a local rod builder (Dave Lewis – Performance Fly Rods). IMO exquisite rods don’t have to be hideously expensive or built from this year’s latest & trendiest graphite permutation. Short rods in general can be a real joy in the tight quarters of Appalachian brook trout streams.

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I am looking at buying (or building) a 7 foot 3wt rod and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions about rods they particularly enjoy.

I have a Loomis 78" 3wt GL3 rod that has a much softer action than the 9′ Loomis IMX rods that I also own and love. The GL3, a relatively low-tech composite, is delightful for small streams and gentle presentations, yet packs sufficient punch for 50 foot casts.

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 I am interested in a backpackingflyfishing trip to the Warner Mountains in north east California this summer.  I would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who has had a successful trip there who could suggest a route and lakesstreams to fish. Thanks in advance for your help Stu    

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I am looking at buying (or building) a 7 foot 3wt rod and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions about rods they particularly enjoy. I have a Loomis 78" 3wt GL3 rod that has a much softer action than the 9′ Loomis IMX rods that I also own and love. The GL3, a relatively low-tech composite, is delightful for small streams and gentle presentations, yet packs sufficient punch for 50 foot casts.

I would add: give consideration to used or bargain glass rods eg. Phillipson, or Scott in the 7 to 7 1/2 foot range in three to five weight. Especially with the softer lighter rods in close quarters, try using a line weight heavier than called for by the rod. With short casts under 30 feet as a rule, that combination works very well. I also think the Orvis 7 1/2 foot Brook Trout model is very good for our small, Eastern Mid-Atlantic jewels. Tight Lines, — Regards, Christian — PGP fingerprint:  BC 66 2A 6C 82 8E 1C 50    18 87 67 A0 DB 7B F2 84

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   I am looking at buying (or building) a 7 foot 3wt   rod and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions   about rods they particularly enjoy.   I have a Loomis 78" 3wt GL3 rod that has a much softer action than the   9′ glass rods eg. Phillipson, or Scott in the 7 to 7 1/2 foot range in three to five weight. Especially with the softer lighter rods in close quarters, try using a line weight heavier than called for by the rod. With short casts under 30 feet as a rule, that combination works very well. I also think the Orvis 7 1/2 foot Brook Trout model is very good for our small, Eastemore but I

attach an ultralight spinning reel to the cork handle with electricians tape and use it for casting ultralight (1/64 -1/16 oz.) jigs and lures. I still like the action. — + – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - + | Disclaimer: Contents under pressure, do not | + – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - +

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o.k. here’s a cheapy but one that everyone always wants to borrow.  grf 1000 by courtland    comes in  6.5  ft.   and mine  7 ft.   3 / 4  wt.  a real sweetheart for about  $70.  very rugged with a smooth , sanded finish.  medium – slow  action  drops a # 20 midge right on the nose of a rainbow  or a # 10  damslefly nymph into the jaws of a largemouth and then hauls ‘em in. lexington, ma. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My favorite brookie rod is a 6 1/2 foot 3/4 wt., built on a Loomis IM-6 blank by a local rod builder (Dave Lewis – Performance Fly Rods). IMO exquisite rods don’t have to be hideously expensive or built from this year’s latest & trendiest graphite permutation. Short rods in general can be a real joy in the tight quarters of Appalachian brook trout streams.

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