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Just thought I’d post this for a friend, hopefully this is allowed by all of you. She is selling her fly fishing ranch along with all her fly shop inventory. If any of you are interested take a look here; http://www.blackfireflyfishing.com Thanks!!

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Just thought I’d post this for a friend, hopefully this is allowed by all of you. She is selling her fly fishing ranch along with all her fly shop inventory. If any of you are interested take a look here; http://www.blackfireflyfishing.com

Wolfgang workin in a coal mine, goin down down down

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helping? …you should rename the post: "helping rip-off the ignorant"…the prices are a joke,,she must be giving you a cut of the hefty product..id offer you 30cents on the dollar..like any other "liquidation"…so go play in the middle of the River..your bargain aint welcome here bubbye

Just thought I’d post this for a friend, hopefully this is allowed by all of you. She is selling her fly fishing ranch along with all her fly shop inventory. If any of you are interested take a look here; http://www.blackfireflyfishing.com Wolfgang workin in a coal mine, goin down down down

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Go take a look at the Isuzu Trooper.  A good buddy of mine bought one about a year ago and we use it for both scuba diving and fishing.  He’s in love with it and I think a Trooper will be my next vehicle. At $21,000, it seems to me to be one of the best values for the buck on the market. Standard, it comes with power "everything" AM/FM/Cassette, nice seats, etc. and *so far* it just WILL NOT get stuck.  ’Worth a look for you at least.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its time to bite the bullet and purchase a new vehicle.  My wife and I are discussing what to purchase to replace our aging fleet of rusty junk and decided we wanted the perfect fly fishing vehicle.  It will have to tow a small drift boat (16 1/2 ft long).  Hold two float tubes, be able to get in to moderately difficult destinations via dirt (read mud) roads. With the wealth of experience out their in Roffian land…how about some input?  As the wise African Tribal Chief once said, "Tis better to get the advice of 10 fools than one wise man "  Were could I go to seek better advice than from fellow fly fishing addicts.  By the way, its just my wife and I these days, so a pickup is an acceptable alternative…we have no brand loyalty and no prejudice in place. Our credit union gave us a $25K line for this vehicle… — Padishar Creel "I don’t want to achieve immortality through my work…I want to achieve it through not dying."  – Woody Allen

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I agree it’s a great rig but 25k won’t get you in the door New anyway Ford F350 diesel crew cab 4×4 w/off-road package. white.

         Harry Mason     www.Troutflies.com               *** "Quality Flies for a Trout’s Eyes"

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Its time to bite the bullet and purchase a new vehicle.  My wife and I are discussing what to purchase to replace our aging fleet of rusty junk and decided we wanted the perfect fly fishing vehicle.  It will have to tow a small drift boat (16 1/2 ft long).  Hold two float tubes, be able to get in to moderately difficult destinations via dirt (read mud) roads.

If it must be a newish truck/SUV, my vote would be to find a gently-used Ford PU (in whatever cab/bed choice you prefer) with the PowerStroke diesel engine.  Even a crew-cab, 1-ton, long bed, 4×4 gets over 20 MPG on the highway, even pulling a loaded cattle/horse trailer.  I’ve seen them with 200k of hard use and still going strong. If you don’t mind older, I’d recommend a late-80’s Jeep Grand Wagoneer.  We have them, and they can’t be beat as a real "off road" "off-the-rack" SUV.  I’ve pulled out stuck Landcruiser/Lexus SUVs, Rovers, PUs, etc.  Another big plus now is the fact it is they have actually become desirable again, and the prices are actually increasing in areas I’m familiar with – buy lower now, and it might actually increase in value.  You can get a damn near perfect low mileage one for well under 10K, even as low as 4-5k.  If you turn your own wrenches, you can work on anything on or in it easily – I can do damn near anything on one with a socket set and a couple of screwdrivers.  If you don’t, just about any halfway competent mechanic can, and without "specialty" tools. The only real drawback is gas mileage – 16-18 MPG or so is about it. If it can be a car, IMO, a Nissan Maxima wins hands-down, no question. We just replaced a 1996 with a 2001, and the only reason we did is because my mother needed a "new" car and we gave her the ‘96.  A friend, who had previously killed Mercedes, 2 pickups, a Volvo, and a BMW got one new in ‘94 and managed 200k on it, which was about equal to 500k for most.  In fact, the only reason he got rid of it was a rock hit the oil pan just right and blocked the pump, resulting in a locked motor.  He was going to replace the motor, but it just didn’t make economic sense. Whatever you choose, enjoy it, and have a Happy New Year! TC, R

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Our credit union gave us a $25K line for this vehicle…

My advice is not to take advice, but since you asked… I suggest a Ford Expediiton. I have a ‘97 4WD that I tow around the Grady w/. If you’re thinking about the 150, it’s essentially the same vehicle, only there’s more inside  it. One nice feature to consider is that w/ a cheap web rod holder system on the headliner, you can carry rigged 9 ft. flyrods inside. It’s a great tow vehicle and general hauler too. Best of luck. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach Behold the Fisherman! He Riseth Up Early in the Morning, and Disturbeth the Whole Household. Mighty are His Preparations. He Goeth Forth Full of Hope. And When the Day is Spent, He Returneth, Smelling of Strong Drink. And the Truth is not with Him!

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Ford F350 diesel crew cab 4×4 w/off-road package. white. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Ford F350 diesel crew cab 4×4 w/off-road package. white.

no, the perfect flyfishing vehicle must be grey <G cb

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Go take a look at the Isuzu Trooper.  A good buddy of mine bought one about a year ago and we use it for both scuba diving and fishing.  He’s in love with it and I think a Trooper will be my next vehicle. At $21,000, it seems to me to be one of the best values for the buck on the market. Standard, it comes with power "everything" AM/FM/Cassette, nice seats, etc. and *so far* it just WILL NOT get stuck.  ’Worth a look for you at least. Plus it rolls over quite nicely when changing lanes at freeway speeds. –Steve

And you can’t drive it across lakes like this convertible vehicle. http://4wd.sofcom.com/Mil/GAZ/46.html All you need to do is add a GPS, fishfinder, and a swivel chair to the bow. You will be the envy of all the bass fishermen.  :) Happy New Year! Dave

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Go take a look at the Isuzu Plus it rolls over quite nicely when changing lanes at freeway speeds. –Steve

Steve,   I think you may be right about the Isuzus.  I travelled to the Gillette, WY airport to work on an airplane over a 2 year period.  They had a car rental (Avis, I think) there and, in this 2 year period, I saw  3 or 4 wrecked Isuzu’s in the lot.  Each one looked like it had been rolled.  There wasn’t a straight piece of sheet metal on the whole rig.   Bob — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I’ve been checkiing out Toyota’s new RAV4.  The rear seats fold up or come right out, the back floor is low and flat

That’s where the sub-woofer goes… <g — Charlie…

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For an extra 5 grand you might even get them to put an Orvis Edition decal on it. Frank Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been checkiing out Toyota’s new RAV4.  The rear seats fold up or come right out, the back floor is low and flat and best of all, you can sit down at the back to put your waders on.  It has a 2 litre four so the gas mileage is good, comes with full time 4X4 and best of all, it’s a Toyota.  $25K should put you into a top of the line model including leather seats, with no trade-in. BTW, got the flies finally.  Thanks for hosting the swap and the nice fly box.  There are some great patterns in this one. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I’ve been checkiing out Toyota’s new RAV4.  The rear seats fold up or come right out, the back floor is low and flat and best of all, you can sit down at the back to put your waders on.  It has a 2 litre four so the gas mileage is good, comes with full time 4X4 and best of all, it’s a Toyota.  $25K should put you into a top of the line model including leather seats, with no trade-in. BTW, got the flies finally.  Thanks for hosting the swap and the nice fly box.  There are some great patterns in this one. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Go take a look at the Isuzu Trooper.  A good buddy of mine bought one about a year ago and we use it for both scuba diving and fishing.  He’s in love with it and I think a Trooper will be my next vehicle. At $21,000, it seems to me to be one of the best values for the buck on the market. Standard, it comes with power "everything" AM/FM/Cassette, nice seats, etc. and *so far* it just WILL NOT get stuck.  ’Worth a look for you at least.

Plus it rolls over quite nicely when changing lanes at freeway speeds. –Steve

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Padishar Creel writes: Our credit union gave us a $25K line for this vehicle…

Pick-up truck.  Think Japanese.  Toyota or Nissan. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Gotta go with Dave on this one…my little Toy riceburner (2WD) is fast approaching 500 thousand miles (we’ll see that before 2001 is out)  My 3rd Toyota, and looking to buy another if this damn thing ever wears out.  Like another poster said, I just turn up the radio so as not to hear the strange noises coming from under the hood. Frank (road warrior) Church

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Padishar Creel writes: Our credit union gave us a $25K line for this vehicle… Pick-up truck.  Think Japanese.  Toyota or Nissan. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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and I these days, so a pickup is an acceptable alternative…we have no brand loyalty and no prejudice in place.

I like my Ford F150. The milage sucks, but anything smaller seems cramped the first time you start a trip with a thousand mile day. Big Dale

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Before the wall between East and West Germany fell, the East Germans had only very limited possibilities with regard to cars. The most widespread model was a "Trabant", a two stroke engine mounted on a steel chassis, and a body of fibre glass. These were not renowned for either their speed or reliability, and were a virtual death-trap in a fire. Their maximum speed varied somewhat according to the ingenuity of the owner, but was usually about 110Kmh. However this may be, an East German visiting west Berlin pushed his broken down Trabant into a garage, and asked the duty mechanic for help.  The mechanic looked under the bonnet, gave the motor a cursory glance, and then shook his head slowly, saying "No chance I

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Cheers G. (as I tip my ale). Natty

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It was a long trip home but the beautiful Piper Comanche put her nose into the wind and plowed ahead hour after hour, riding like a wild bronc over Butte Pass just west of Livingston Montana known for its rip-tide winds and rollers.  She bore down and crossed the main fury at 10,500 going west bound, settled down and then headed for the Anaconda-Pintler Wilderness mountains, along the central edge for refuge which was not to be.  I stretch out my left leg for relief and the new scars stretched in refrain.  My right leg was stretched all the way into the co-pilot side and the hours passed by, one by one. During those hours, high above my beautiful ragged Rockies I thought of the well wishers in Roff and the prayers that went with me and I can say to all, they were well answered.  I was coming home. The fuel and strong head winds were not going to allow Miss Blue to make it across the mighty Selway Wilderness, and so like a leaf from an oak the throttle was brought back, flaps lowered full bore and she came down like a rocket.  Naturally, the wind was out of the west and the Hamilton Airport runs north south for perfect cross-wind landing conditions. Lined up on a three mile final to runway 160 so as to get a feel for how much crab she was going to take and how much rudder, it was evident the right wing would be very low.  I kissed her down on the right gear which rode out the vicious cross-wind for over a thousand feet before Miss Blu found her footing and two wheels.  To get the weight on both gear a.s.a.p. I lifted the flaps and that planted her onto the runway with confidence.  So far, so good. Once again in the air and flying for over 10 hours, the remote callings of the Selway slid under my wings.  Gladys was snoozing to the drone of an engine that always sounded happy.  I began to think back about our operations and of the stress and concern I had for hers. I do know that under the anesthesia I slipped into the world of dreams and the fond wishes of many excepting one.  I have met some very unusual people in my lifetime, but this character is best described in the dream I had.  The good is I survived some very serious procedures.  The bad is the ill wishes extended that carried over into a chocolate/vanilla swirl of haziness. I slowly awoke from the Land of Oz.  The ugly part of not having control of one’s life, was over.  The Selway high meadows remained lush and green and an Elk lifted her head as her yearling trotted about confused.  The Comanche crossed the continental divide as I dialed in a little down trim for the long decent home. I cannot drive a vehicle for four weeks but I can tell everyone the operations were an amazing success.  I am very strong and fit and all my fly fishing doctors are very pleased with the results and with their patient.  There is a bonding that takes place between those that fly fish and who are doctors that fly fish also. I wish to thank each and every one of them and I wish to thank all of you who were at my bed side in thought and deeds.  It meant a lot. Believe me. Again, thank you all.   Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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In response to a recommendation from someone on this NG, I am planning a trip to Tulpehocken Creek near Reading, PA. A local flyshop told me that they just stocked it with fingerlings so I "am bound to hook plenty of 4"ers". I’m not planning to hook 4"ers, although those of you that have seen my posts here thus far may remember that I haven’t caught a single fish in the 2 weeks I’ve been flyfishing, so at this point ANY trout would be cool! Anyway, anyone out there know anything about this creek? Any good spots? Any hints/tips? Thanks! Mark

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In response to a recommendation from someone on this NG, I am planning a trip to Tulpehocken Creek near Reading, PA. A local flyshop told me that they just stocked it with fingerlings so I "am bound to hook plenty of 4"ers". I’m not planning to hook 4"ers, although those of you that have seen my posts here thus far may remember that I haven’t caught a single fish in the 2 weeks I’ve been flyfishing, so at this point ANY trout would be cool! Anyway, anyone out there know anything about this creek? Any good spots? Any hints/tips? Thanks!

Mark: It’s been a couple years since I’ve been up there, but I’d recommend three things: 1.   Check with Tulpehocken Creek Outfitters in West Reading. 2.   Go farther upstream toward Blue somethin-or-other Lake.   The lower portions are really low, slow, and full of carp. 3.   Forget the Tully and drive up to the Little Schuykill.   It’s pretty close, and the FFO stretch is pretty.   Green weenies. Joe F.

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Bruce: Hey, you don’t have to rub our USA noses in it, do you?  Seriously, thanks for an informative post.  Of course, do you realize you just ruined your fishing? Now your area will become a dreaded "destination fishery", bringing yuppie Yankees crawling all over your fishing waters.  Articles will appear in fishing magazines, rods will be named after your favorite rivers, and if you’re really lucky there will be a Jeep model named in your honor.  :) Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmmm, humble Aussie here, and after reading numerous articles from the newsgroups I’ve gotta say you have to get down into the Southern Hemisphere. Where I live in Horsham in Western Victoria, down south in case you didn’t know, I have world class lake fishing virtually at my doorstep. Twenty minutes in one direction takes me to Lake Toolondo, home of sensational brown trout, and 30 minutes in the other direction takes me to Lake Fyans where I landed a lovely little rainbow on Sunday night. Lovely start to the working week, I must say. Seriously, without being flippant, I had no idea how lucky I was as far as my fly fishing goes until I started to read articles from the newsgroup. I don’t have to plan fishing trips. Mates simply call during the day, ask what I’m doing later and whether I’d like to go fishing. We pack our gear into the car and we’re there in no more than half an hour. And that’s to get to the best waters. There are plenty as close as 10 minutes away which produce browns to 5lb on a good day. If anyone’s considering an Aussie holiday, you could do worse than to visit from September through to March. Hope you like it hot, though. Regards, Bruce L.

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Mark Faulkner you’re really lucky there will be a Jeep model named in your honor.  :) The Subaru already has the "Outback".   Dave LaCourse

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Mark Faulkner you’re really lucky there will be a Jeep model named in your honor.  :) The Subaru already has the "Outback". Dave LaCourse

Jeez, how could I forget that.  Mark Faulkner

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Bruce: Hey, you don’t have to rub our USA noses in it, do you?  Seriously, thanks for an informative post.  Of course, do you realize you just ruined your fishing? Now your area will become a dreaded "destination fishery", bringing yuppie Yankees crawling all over your fishing waters.  Articles will appear in fishing magazines, rods will be named after your favorite rivers, and if you’re really lucky there will be a Jeep model named in your honor.  :) Mark Faulkner

Don’t worry about it Mark, Rex Hunt will probably be there, and he will keep the tourists away! Regards, — Bill

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Does anyone have any favorite fly fishing sites in the area around Lake Superior Provincial Park and Wawa? Thanks in advance Brian

I think you’ll have your best luck in the Wawa.

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Does anyone have any favorite fly fishing sites in the area around Lake Superior Provincial Park and Wawa?

Yes. Tom Burczyk

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says… Does anyone have any favorite fly fishing sites in the area around Lake Superior Provincial Park and Wawa? Thanks in advance Brian

It’s been awhile since my last visit, but I’ve caught some nice fish on the Batchawana(sp) river.

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Thanks in advance Brian

What time of year? The first two weeks in August

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Does anyone have any favorite fly fishing sites in the area around Lake Superior Provincial Park and Wawa? Thanks in advance Brian

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.. the problem is with the fonts in netscape … it seems to pick up a wierd font when setting it up.. especially the earlier netscapes. go into the fonts list and find the offending font and get rid of it, netscape then picks another … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – keyboarded:

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Who needs em’…I mean does anyone really suffer cuts from stripping their line?

Saltwater anglers using shooting heads and FAST retrieves typically put a slice in the first knuckle creases of their index and middle fingers after a half day of fishing…This kind of device sounds interesting, although a little sports tape seems to work fine for me.

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STRIPPING GUARDS completely eliminate stripping cuts, and they continuously clean your line.  They are comfortable, durable Lycra finger sleeves that fit like skin and are guaranteed to improve the enjoyment of your flyfishing experience! ..This is SPAM for Condoms..Isn’t it??

I figured that a striping guard was just a fancy name for a bouncer at a nudie bar. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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STRIPPING GUARDS completely eliminate stripping cuts, and they continuously clean your line.  They are comfortable, durable Lycra finger sleeves that fit like skin and are guaranteed to improve the enjoyment of your flyfishing experience!

..This is SPAM for Condoms..Isn’t it??

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Who needs em’…I mean does anyone really suffer cuts from stripping their line?

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Doug and Deb, We’ve seen this ad a few times now, and I personally am getting tired of it.  This newsgroup is not an advertising forum for your business.   Thanks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – STRIPPING GUARDS completely eliminate stripping cuts, and they continuously clean your line.  They are comfortable, durable Lycra finger sleeves that fit like skin and are guaranteed to improve the enjoyment of your flyfishing experience!  Learn more about STRIPPING GUARDS at: http://www.ncw.net/~peterson/strippin.htm

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STRIPPING GUARDS completely eliminate stripping cuts, and they continuously clean your line.  They are comfortable, durable Lycra finger sleeves that fit like skin and are guaranteed to improve the enjoyment of your flyfishing experience!  Learn more about STRIPPING GUARDS at: http://www.ncw.net/~peterson/strippin.htm

Ok, we’ve been patient.  But, five of these irritating commercial posts in three days is getting a rise (notice the flyfishing ref.) out of me. Pace yourselves Doug ‘n Deb.  Once a week, or better yet, a month, would do what you want to do. Besides, the reality is most of us on rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying tend to be do-it-yourself-ers who’ll steal your concept and make our own.  Your casting to the wrong pool (yet another ff ref.).  So, go tie a killer fly and post the pattern for out edification! Tight threads, Charley

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STRIPPING GUARDS completely eliminate stripping cuts, and they continuously clean your line.  They are comfortable, durable Lycra finger sleeves that fit like skin and are guaranteed to improve the enjoyment of your flyfishing experience!  Learn more about STRIPPING GUARDS at: http://www.ncw.net/~peterson/strippin.htm

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STRIPPING GUARDS completely eliminate stripping cuts, and they continuously clean your fly line. They are comfortable, durable Lycra finger sleeves that fit like skin and are guaranteed to improve the enjoyment of your flyfishing experience!  Learn more about STRIPPING GUARDS at: http://www.ncw.net/~peterson/strippin.htm

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Has anyone ever been up to Packer Lake in the Sierras? It was mentioned along with Upper and Lower Sardine Lakes.  I’ve been to those.  Stocked regularly… boats with electric motors… cabins next door.  Is Packer the one over the ridge and down in the valley? I think probably a couple mile hike.  How does it fish? jeff — Center for Computational Sciences and Engineering  PHONE: (510)486-5348 Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory              FAX: (510)486-6900

I would fly fish the Gold lakes basin in June or Oct. In August the fish are usually pretty deep. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Fished Packer Lake several years ago. Tough lake to fish unless youi know it well. Stay with lower Sardine in the evenings. Stocked with lots of nice trout and a beautiful lake.

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Has anyone ever been up to Packer Lake in the Sierras? It was mentioned along with Upper and Lower Sardine Lakes.  I’ve been to those.  Stocked regularly… boats with electric motors… cabins next door.  Is Packer the one over the ridge and down in the valley? I think probably a couple mile hike.  How does it fish? jeff — Center for Computational Sciences and Engineering  PHONE: (510)486-5348 Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory              FAX: (510)486-6900

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Sorry I’m brain-dead this a.m.  These lake where mentioned in "FishFirst"’s report… Sorry for the confusion.  It’s Friday and I’ve only had one cup of coffee (so far) today. jeff — Center for Computational Sciences and Engineering  PHONE: (510)486-5348 Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory              FAX: (510)486-6900

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If you have got this far, then I guess my subject line did the trick… Anyways, a brief story.  I had my vehicle broken into a little while ago.  After this I went to my insurance agent to get a contents package for my house (I share with others).  In doing so my great concerns were my library and my flytying cabinet!! So the point of this post hopefully is now evident.  Can you imagine going to you insurance agent and telling them that you just had $10,000 worth of feathers and fishing gear stolen, burned etc!!! Exactly, I’d believe you, but how many agents are FFers?? The solution I worked out with my agent was to make alist of everything and photograph it.  This is in my file at their office should anything happen.  In my case its covered under the general contents, however depending on your company it may have to be added as a rider.. Something to look into.. ATB Ian

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Ian I am a fly fishing nut and an insurance agent.  you sure are right about how much we collect over the years.  I would recommend not only taking pictures, but video tape if you can.  Keep the tape/pictures off site (in case of a fire/theft).  What ins. company would believe I have 6 jungle cock necks worth over $100 each (especillay if i smuggled them in from canada!).  I also recommend keeping a "receipt file" where most purchase receipts are keep in a manilla folder by year.  Then keep then in in a steel file cabinet.  save your master card receipts too. The most happy people with insurance claims are the ones who took a few minutes to document proof of ownership before any claim occurred.  Also, I would recommend buying "replacement cost coverage" for your policy.  It is usally just 10% more of the premium and is well worth it.  I say take my wife but don’t dare take my flyfishing equipment!  Any way, document as

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