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The White House (SPOOF) – Amid charges he ordered a release from the SPR simply to help get Hilary out of his hair by foisting her off on the people of New York, he released the following statement: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman…" When asked about the fact oil prices seeming to be going up, he had the following comments: "It depends on what the meaning of "up" is…" Meanwhile, Hilary, at a fundraiser given by Melissa Etheridge, Ellen Degeneris, and kd lang, released the following: "It’s a vast left-wing conspiracy.  I pledge to speak until the entire Northeast is warm and toasty…" Gore, meanwhile, speaking at an oil industry trade show, quipped, "I grew up with that wonderful lullaby, ‘You can trust you car…’."

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I think we all understand your feelings on the matter by now.      - Ken — "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness.  You have to catch it yourself."      -Ben Franklin

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The White House (SPOOF) I think we all understand your feelings on the matter by now.     – Ken

Ya think? <G R

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Is this what you call discussing the issues, Richard? The real problem, though, is that it isn’t even funny. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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The real problem, though, is that it isn’t even funny.

The boys at the Petroleum Club probably got a good chuckle… — Charlie…

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The White House (SPOOF) Is this what you call discussing the issues, Richard? The real problem, though, is that it isn’t even funny.

No, it isn’t, hence, it is a seperate posting.  As I said, I am willing to discuss the issues, or lampoon them, but not in the same discussion. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Most certainly.  The Kipster, Winthorpe, and Creighton all found it to be quite the ripper at the gin game at the club.  

Still no women allowed in the card room I assume? I’d hate to think that had changed… — Charlie…

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The real problem, though, is that it isn’t even funny. The boys at the Petroleum Club probably got a good chuckle… — Charlie…

Most certainly.  The Kipster, Winthorpe, and Creighton all found it to be quite the ripper at the gin game at the club.  I must confess, however, Win’s little brother, Bink, found it a bit cutting, but he’s at that age…still a junior at, sigh, Babson, where they fuel that young liberal angst.

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Most certainly.  The Kipster, Winthorpe, and Creighton all found it to be quite the ripper at the gin game at the club.   Still no women allowed in the card room I assume? I’d hate to think that had changed… — Charlie…

Of course we allow them in – we’re progressive, to a point.  Besides, who would vacuum and clean after the club closed?  And of course, if the waiter was sick, someone would have to bring us drinks and watercress finger sandwiches…

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Of course we allow them in – we’re progressive, to a point.  Besides, who would vacuum and clean after the club closed?  And of course, if the waiter was sick, someone would have to bring us drinks and watercress finger sandwiches…

Last time I was in the Petroleum Club in Wichita (maybe 20 years ago), women weren’t even allow in to serve. Don’t know about cleaning up, though. FWIW. — Charlie…

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Of course we allow them in – we’re progressive, to a point.  Besides, who would vacuum and clean after the club closed?  And of course, if the waiter was sick, someone would have to bring us drinks and watercress finger sandwiches… Last time I was in the Petroleum Club in Wichita (maybe 20 years ago), women weren’t even allow in to serve. Don’t know about cleaning up, though. FWIW. — Charlie…

Alas, times change, and we are very progressive – we even voted to move the lawn jockey at the Country Club from the front to back by the cart check…

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As I said, I am willing to discuss the issues, or lampoon them, but not in the same discussion.

I’m afraid you’ve botched both attempts. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I said, I am willing to discuss the issues, or lampoon them, but not in the same discussion. I’m afraid you’ve botched both attempts. Aw, Steve, just face it: Bill, Al, and Hilary (and I’m not so sure about Tipper) are pandering political animals who’ll say or do anything for immediate self-aggrandization and gratification, personal, political, or sexual, and do it without the slightest regard for anyone or anything, and you’re just miffed because people don’t hesitate to point it out. The sad part is seemingly otherwise-intelligent people fall for their act, and _that_ isn’t funny.

Oh, stop your whining, fer chrissakes. Although the outcome is hardly in doubt at this point, it’s a little early to be stamping your Buster Browns while slandering the American voter. Your ex-drunk/ex-cokefiend Second-Coming-of-Quayle Heirhead never had a real reason for running in the first place, ‘cept that the roof is probably about to fall in on Texas and he had nothing better to do. I liked you better when you actually thought Shrub had at least a snow-ball’s chance in Hell of winning… /daytripper

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This is just pathetic, Richard. I’m starting to feel sorry for you. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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This is just pathetic, Richard. I’m starting to feel sorry for you. — Aw, Steve, spoken like a true limo liberal.  

So sad, Richard. I count you as a friend and I hope for a speedy recovery. Let’s just go fishing sometime and put this ugly political shit behind us. BTW, I’ve never been in a limo in my life, and I ain’t no damn liberal. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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As I said, I am willing to discuss the issues, or lampoon them, but not in the same discussion. I’m afraid you’ve botched both attempts.

Aw, Steve, just face it: Bill, Al, and Hilary (and I’m not so sure about Tipper) are pandering political animals who’ll say or do anything for immediate self-aggrandization and gratification, personal, political, or sexual, and do it without the slightest regard for anyone or anything, and you’re just miffed because people don’t hesitate to point it out. The sad part is seemingly otherwise-intelligent people fall for their act, and _that_ isn’t funny. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Are you a shill?  Is someone paying you to do this? I see all your post come in "working hours" and very few are on the topic of flyfishing.  There were very few posts of any that I recall before the election started. Will you be gone when Bush looses ?  Here’s some suggestions for more appropiate places to post., You can find more I’m sure. BJC alt. current-events.clinton.whitewater alt.flame.bill-clinton.abortion.partial-birth alt.flame.bill-clinton.humor alt.impeach.clinton alt.sex.clinton.bill alt.sex.clinton.hillary alt.sex.clinton.chelsa alt.fan.rush-limbaugh alt.politics.republicans alt.politics.usa.republicans alt.politics.bush alt.politics.clinton The White House (SPOOF) – Amid charges he ordered a release from the

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I said, I am willing to discuss the issues, or lampoon them, but not in the same discussion. I’m afraid you’ve botched both attempts. Aw, Steve, just face it: Bill, Al, and Hilary (and I’m not so sure about Tipper) are pandering political animals who’ll say or do anything for immediate self-aggrandization and gratification, personal, political, or sexual, and do it without the slightest regard for anyone or anything, and you’re just miffed because people don’t hesitate to point it out. The sad part is seemingly otherwise-intelligent people fall for their act, and _that_ isn’t funny. Oh, stop your whining, fer chrissakes. Although the outcome is hardly in doubt at this point, it’s a little early to be stamping your Buster Browns while slandering the American voter. Your ex-drunk/ex-cokefiend Second-Coming-of-Quayle Heirhead never had a real reason for running in the first place, ‘cept that the roof is probably about to fall in on Texas and he had nothing better to do. I liked you better when you actually thought Shrub had at least a snow-ball’s chance in Hell of winning… /daytripper

Hee-HEE… You don’t get it, because you can’t…people like what you (and a few others) _assume_ I am don’t _truly_ care who’s President, because they know who has the real power, and it ain’t the President, Bush or Gore. It’s just embarrassing to have a nouveau riche hillbilly boob and a wannabe Leona Helmsly/Eleanor Roosevelt like Bill and Hilary as figureheads.  As to the American voter, please.  Most will vote for such simplistic reasons as to be laughable.   If you Gore fans really knew anything about him, you might realize he’s just like Bush, but without at least some ethics (or backbone).  He’s a rich kid who did drugs, used Dad’s influence to stay out of combat in Vietnam (well, really Dad made damn sure they stayed out of combat), whose family made money from things like oil (BTW, Gore, Sr. and Armand Hammer were pretty big buddies and the Gore family trusts, one of which Al, Jr. is a trustee, still benefit pretty tidily), banking, real estate, tobacco, etc., went to private schools as an "insider," etc. Gore is just a weak-willed fop who got mixed up with wrong crowd – just like the nouveau riche kid who gets into trouble. He only got into politics because _his_ father was a pol.  Bush may not be the best man for the job, but he’s the best in a field of two…  

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Are you a shill?  Is someone paying you to do this? I see all your post come in "working hours" and very few are on the topic of flyfishing.  There were very few posts of any that I recall before the election started. Will you be gone when Bush looses ?  Here’s some suggestions for more appropiate places to post., You can find more I’m sure. BJC

Oddly, you seem to read and respond to most, if not all.  Are _you_ a shill?  And when did the election start?  As to "on-topic," Bwa-ha-ha-ha…

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This is just pathetic, Richard. I’m starting to feel sorry for you. —

Aw, Steve, spoken like a true limo liberal.  I have yet to see a single fact from you, only personal attacks, remarks I guess you mean to be "biting," and a bunch of mealy-mouthed Bush-bashing.  Let’s see some facts disputing a single thing I’ve said about Gore (or Clinton).  You make all these claims and statements, and when someone calls you on it, you "attack."  Frankly, I thought you were more intelligent, and at least had some basis for your opinions, but I guess it is I who should feel sorry for you… BTW, don’t feel sorry for me – I’ll be out of the city starting tomorrow, and for a few days I won’t give a flying fuck who doing what or who in Washington or New York. TC, R

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This is just pathetic, Richard. I’m starting to feel sorry for you.

I find it funny how two people so alike can feel sorry for each other.      - Ken (Unabashed supporters of either side of the fence are equally pathetic IMHO.) — "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness.  You have to catch it yourself."      -Ben Franklin

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This is just pathetic, Richard. I’m starting to feel sorry for you. I find it funny how two people so alike can feel sorry for each other.     – Ken (Unabashed supporters of either side of the fence are equally pathetic IMHO.)

Well, you know what they say, "If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything the Democrats say" <G.   FWIW, I’ll say it again: G.W.B. ain’t Dad, good, bad, or ugly and Gore ain’t Clinton, good, bad, or ugly, but even in the worst case, Bush is less bad than Gore.  Hell, I could even respect someone who voted for Gore if they could make a factual, logical case _why_ they are _for_ Gore. TC, R

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Did you learn just from just from  rush or have you studied Joseph Goebbels? It was he who said " A lie told first is the truth" and  "  lie told often is the truth".  When questioned evade and attack the accuser".  The "Oil release…"  string had hundreds of responses mostly evaded, or replied to with condescending retorts but few facts.   Besides the ones I’ve suggested there’s lots of  alt.rush.*** groups that would welcome  you post. BJC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are you a shill?  Is someone paying you to do this? I see all your post come in "working hours" and very few are on the topic of flyfishing.  There were very few posts of any that I recall before the election started. Will you be gone when Bush looses ?  Here’s some suggestions for more appropiate places to post., You can find more I’m sure. BJC Oddly, you seem to read and respond to most, if not all.  Are _you_ a shill?  And when did the election start?  As to "on-topic," Bwa-ha-ha-ha…

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This is just pathetic, Richard. I’m starting to feel sorry for you. — Aw, Steve, spoken like a true limo liberal.   So sad, Richard. I count you as a friend and I hope for a speedy recovery. Let’s just go fishing sometime and put this ugly political shit behind us.

Fine with me – as I said, I’m content to agree to disagree.  I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I even truly respect the well-thought-out ones that differ from my own.  I also hope you have a speedy recovery <G. BTW, I’ve never been in a limo in my life…

Now THAT’S sad…<G TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Did you learn just from just from  rush or have you studied Joseph Goebbels? It was he who said " A lie told first is the truth" and  "  lie told often is the truth".  When questioned evade and attack the accuser".  The "Oil release…"  string had hundreds of responses mostly evaded, or replied to with condescending retorts but few facts.  

Guten Tag, Herr Sch… Oops.. Well now, see?   Here is something we can agree on…you are absolutely correct – I posted facts, and cites as I saw requested, yet I saw no controverting facts posted, and when I asked direct questions, they were evaded.  So far, you have posted none, but simply responded with (poorly written) attacks.  I guess that’s OK, since you are basically a troll, so end of subthread for me…

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I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

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I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

Advice on what?  Sounds like you are doing fine.      - Ken

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I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

    become more literate. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

Well, if you’re having fun and getting into fish then it sounds like you’ve gotten the important parts down pat. I personally tend not to care too much beyond that. That being said…what do you need advice about in particular? I’ve only been flyfishing 18 months and plan to be the eternal newbie, but give me some ideas what you want help with and I’d be glad to. Vegetables aren’t food. Vegetables are what the food eats.

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I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

Walk away while you still can. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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Bring your own Scotch. Bring enough for everybody. Bring 24 year old Macallan. Bring a tall glass for me. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

Ummmm, please tell US how you did it! Regards, Jeff

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I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

Gear, gear and more gear!  And when you think you have enough, buy more! Now where’s that damn Orvis catalog?

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Well, if you’re having fun and getting into fish

How the hell does one get into a fish??? That must be ONE BIG FISH!!! <laugh then it sounds like you’ve gotten the important parts down pat. I personally tend not to care too much beyond that. That being said…what do you need advice about in particular? I’ve only been flyfishing 18 months and plan to be the eternal newbie, but give me some ideas what you want help with and I’d be glad to.

Can we make a club for that? I’ve been at it for 10 Months and have yet to figure out if I am doing ANYTHING right… Oh I do catch fish but I tend to think that it more the fish feeling sorry for me. Vegetables aren’t food. Vegetables are what the food eats.

There goes my theories on the food chain! — Michael Era

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I will be going to a conference in Hilton Head at the end of April, and am interested in staying an extra day or two to try some fly fishing.  Anyone have any good experiences with guides or di-it-yourself tips. Thanks, Clint

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There’s a new book "Saltwater Angler’s Guide to The Southeast" from Wilderness Adventures that may help you. http://www.wildadv.com Good Luck! Bill Cunningham

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I don’t know why the thought of asking the group this question didn’t occur to me until now, but I’m supremely confident that you all (that would be y’all) can set me straight. I’m not sure, but I seem to be putting too much power into my casts.   On my forward cast, the line & leader will occasionally straighten out then recoil into a less than beautiful wiggle on the surface.   When I concentrate (admittedly my weak point), I can lower my rod tip as the line goes forward and that seems to take the jerk out of it (at the other end, that is). This is difficult to control, though; and sometimes I take away too much and the leader never straightens.   Still, I think this is only coping with the symptom, not the cause. Am I in fact overpowering the cast?   Do I just need to ease up a little on the forward stroke?   What else could I be doing wrong?   At present, this is my major flaw in presentation.   I have no problem with practice, practice, practice; but I fear I may develop worse habits if I continue to practice a bad motion. Joe F.

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Could be your line is one weight too light for the rod or your leader is too short OR the leader(tippet) is too light for the fly you’re casting…. Without seeing you cast, it’s tough to diagnose….kinda like tellin a mechanic "every time I drive my car it makes a sound like WHIRR WHIRR CLICK CLAK…do you know what it is????" I’d try by process of elimination to determine if any of the above work for you. Larry #:)#

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<<I’m not sure, but I seem to be putting too much power into my casts.   On my forward cast, the line & leader will occasionally straighten out then recoil into a less than beautiful wiggle on the surface. Could be you *are* overpowering your casts.  I had (and still do a lot of time) the same problem,  I believe it was Peter Charles that told me to try putting my extended index finger on the grip instead of my thumb.  It worked wonderfully.  It seems it is difficult to overpower your cast with your hand so placed. Give it a try and come back and report, or else wait for Peter to chime in.  <g  He’ll have the answer for sure. Dave LaCourse

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I don’t know why the thought of asking the group this question didn’t occur to me until now, but I’m supremely confident that you all (that would be y’all) can set me straight. I’m not sure, but I seem to be putting too much power into my casts.   On my forward cast, the line & leader will occasionally straighten out then recoil into a less than beautiful wiggle on the surface.  

You are "over powering" your cast but if you’re fishing dries, "over powering" is one technique to help get a drag free drift. That "wiggle" on the surface is good (as long as it isn’t too excessive) because it will allow for a longer drag free float than with a perfectly straight leader. Willi

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I also cast with my index finger on the grip and this works nicely for me.  One of the easiest things to do when trying to make that little extra further cast is to apply too much power to the rod.  Good timing seems more important to me when making these "longer" casts.  And as you mentioned; Practice, practice, practice, and listen to what many of the regular posters suggest here~~They really know their stuff. Jeff Boks Fly Fishing~~~~~Just Do It

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Joe: You’re getting some good advice.  I’ll add that even a perfect cast will have leader recoil if you check up on the rod tip hard at the end of the forward stroke.  That’s why it doesn’t happen when you lower the rod tip.  But as Willi has noted, that is exactly what you want to do if you want all those curves on the water to give you a better dry fly float. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know why the thought of asking the group this question didn’t occur to me until now, but I’m supremely confident that you all (that would be y’all) can set me straight. I’m not sure, but I seem to be putting too much power into my casts.   On my forward cast, the line & leader will occasionally straighten out then recoil into a less than beautiful wiggle on the surface.   When I concentrate (admittedly my weak point), I can lower my rod tip as the line goes forward and that seems to take the jerk out of it (at the other end, that is). This is difficult to control, though; and sometimes I take away too much and the leader never straightens.   Still, I think this is only coping with the symptom, not the cause. Am I in fact overpowering the cast?   Do I just need to ease up a little on the forward stroke?   What else could I be doing wrong?   At present, this is my major flaw in presentation.   I have no problem with practice, practice, practice; but I fear I may develop worse habits if I continue to practice a bad motion. Joe F.

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Could be you *are* overpowering your casts.  I had (and still do a lot of time) the same problem,  I believe it was Peter Charles that told me to try putting my extended index finger on the grip instead of my thumb.  It worked wonderfully.  It seems it is difficult to overpower your cast with your hand so placed.

Dave (and Pete): that is indeed a sure way to under-power a casting stroke. Unfortunately, it’s also a sure way to develop RSI in your wrist and forearm. There are less injurious ways to deal with a power & timing problem… As for the resulting wiggles providing a benefit: better to learn the proper, bread-and-butter wiggle-free cast, then learn a proper "pile" cast for when it’s needed. A good "pile" will one hell of a lot of wiggles into the line and provide a much longer drag-free drift than an overpowered cast ever will. /daytripper

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No wonder he doesn’t fish anymore.  He’s gone blind. – Mu – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<I had this problem until I started wanking with the other hand to compensate….hell I was getting a 22 inch forearm. Is that why they call you "Stubby"?  <g Dave & co., I don’t understand T-Bonics.  Please explain using clinical terms. It’s what he became a master at before becoming a master angler. — Charlie…

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Mu: <<No wonder he doesn’t fish anymore.  He’s gone blind. Brings new meaning to the term "catch and kill". <g Dave LaCourse

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Al:  is it really you?  man it’s good to see you back.  If you get a chance, drop me a note as to your whereabouts these days. And to the newer ROFFians, Al has been a great help to many of us with advice on all topics.  Not to worry, Al – that stretch of the _____ you put me on a couple years ago in M_____ will always be safe with me! Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Joe, For years I had trouble with my casting and practice did not seem fix it because I was doing exactly like you were concerned about – practicing my mistakes. One day I was testing rods at a fly fishing show and a gentleman walked over and offered a bit of advise. In ten minutes I knew what I was doing wrong (it took a couple of years to permanently correct the problem). That man was Mel Kreiger. I suggest you invest one hour with a competent professional. If you don’t know of one in your area call the Federation of Fly Fishers at 406-585-7592 and ask them for the name of a Certified Instructor near you. Good luck & … Tight Lines – Al Beatty http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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Aww…..TBone… So it’s not true?  In the past you used to boast about being able to switch hands without dropping a stroke…..or were you talking about GOLF then, too???? =8^)

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T-Bone: <<I had this problem until I started wanking with the other hand to compensate….hell I was getting a 22 inch forearm. Is that why they call you "Stubby"?  <g Dave LaCourse

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T-Bone: <<I had this problem until I started wanking with the other hand to compensate….hell I was getting a 22 inch forearm. Is that why they call you "Stubby"?  <g

Dave & co., I don’t understand T-Bonics.  Please explain using clinical terms. Mu

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T-Bone: <<I had this problem until I started wanking with the other hand to compensate….hell I was getting a 22 inch forearm. Is that why they call you "Stubby"?  <g Dave & co., I don’t understand T-Bonics.  Please explain using clinical terms.

Man, am I ashamed of starting the thread that led down this road!    d:-o Joe F.

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I’m not sure, but I seem to be putting too much power into my casts.

I had this problem until I started wanking with the other hand to compensate….hell I was getting a 22 inch forearm. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Hi Joe, For years I had trouble with my casting and practice did not seem fix it because I was doing exactly like you were concerned about – practicing my mistakes. One day I was testing rods at a fly fishing show and a gentleman walked over and offered a bit of advise. In ten minutes I knew what I was doing wrong (it took a couple of years to permanently correct the problem). That man was Mel Kreiger. I suggest you invest one hour with a competent professional. If you don’t know of one in your area call the Federation of Fly Fishers at 406-585-7592 and ask them for the name of a Certified Instructor near you. Good luck & … Tight Lines – Al Beatty http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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For years I had trouble with my casting and practice did not seem fix it because I was doing exactly like you were concerned about – practicing my mistakes. One day I was testing rods at a fly fishing show and a gentleman walked over and offered a bit of advise. In ten minutes I knew what I was doing wrong (it took a couple of years to permanently correct the problem). That man was Mel Kreiger.

I concur.  I recently got a free casting class with the Becks and found out a couple of problems with my casting.  I always had a hook in my line when I cast and found out it was because I was twisting my wrist.  I also learned how to double haul, ect.  An hour class and a little practice makes all of the difference in the world. Warren

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I don’t know why the thought of asking the group this question didn’t occur to me until now, but I’m supremely confident that you all (that would be y’all) can set me straight. I’m not sure, but I seem to be putting too much power into my casts.   On my forward cast, the line & leader will occasionally straighten out then recoil into a less than beautiful wiggle on the surface.

Thanks to all for the advice; all of which sounds pretty good.   I’ll add that my overall problem is probably consistency.   I can cast pretty well on occasion, using roll casts, reach casts, and even throwing a nice straight line.   Sometimes, though, it just ain’t working; and finesse and delicacy act as if they don’t know me.   With my relative inexperience, I have difficulty figuring out why.   For one thing, I just need to fish more often. I’ve been "in the groove" a few times when my touch and timing were right on, and it was a beautiful thing. I’d have posted this thanks sooner, but too much good advice was pouring in. Thanks again. Joe F.

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A natural hook? And I’ve been trying to learn how to fish around corners?

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May not be the root of the problem but try releasing a loop of line in front of the reel toward the end of your forward cast. That will prevent some recoil. Steve

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know why the thought of asking the group this question didn’t occur to me until now, but I’m supremely confident that you all (that would be y’all) can set me straight. I’m not sure, but I seem to be putting too much power into my casts.   On my forward cast, the line & leader will occasionally straighten out then recoil into a less than beautiful wiggle on the surface.   When I concentrate (admittedly my weak point), I can lower my rod tip as the line goes forward and that seems to take the jerk out of it (at the other end, that is). This is difficult to control, though; and sometimes I take away too much and the leader never straightens.   Still, I think this is only coping with the symptom, not the cause. Am I in fact overpowering the cast?   Do I just need to ease up a little on the forward stroke?   What else could I be doing wrong?   At present, this is my major flaw in presentation.   I have no problem with practice, practice, practice; but I fear I may develop worse habits if I continue to practice a bad motion. Joe F.

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Joe, I’m not the expert but here are two things that have helped me. First, taking out a whole day and fly fishing for hours on end helped me find a groove. Consistency is my problem too as I typically only fish for short periods of time when I can get away here and there.  Next, have your wife photograph (hi-speed) or videotape your stroke.  There are plenty of things which become apparent when you are watching from outside of your own body. For example, I found out that instead of drifting the rod backwards with the line after the power stroke, I was letting the tip drop below the fly line.   Of course you’ll need the discipline to consciously adjust your motions based on what you see in the video.  This is not so easy to do because unless you are used to interacting with yourself, it quickly gets boring.  I suppose having a casting instructor by your side, who engages you on a one-to-one level is of great benefit in that regard. Mu, waiting for the risers – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks to all for the advice; all of which sounds pretty good.   I’ll add that my overall problem is probably consistency.   I can cast pretty well on occasion, using roll casts, reach casts, and even throwing a nice straight line.   Sometimes, though, it just ain’t working; and finesse and delicacy act as if they don’t know me.   With my relative inexperience, I have difficulty figuring out why.   For one thing, I just need to fish more often. I’ve been "in the groove" a few times when my touch and timing were right on, and it was a beautiful thing.

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The best thing to do is to take a casting lesson from someone you know who is good, or from a good pro. The postal diagnosis of casting faults may be likened to correspondence courses in brain surgery, and the results are likely to be similarly catastrophic. An absolutely brilliant caster and fly-fisher ( the two are not necessarily synonymous ) once told me that one should practice until one could cast a perfectly straight line and leader, and having achieved this, to never ever do it again.  This applies to dry fly fishing of course, where a slack wavy leader is far better than a straight  tight one. Practising is only of use if you are practising correctly, practising incorrectly will usually result in you acquiring muscle memory for bad habits, which are then extremely difficult to get rid of.  Take a lesson and save yourself a lot of grief. TL MC

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        which leads me to ponder:  what is the sound of one fish flopping? wayno the zen master – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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<<which leads me to ponder:  what is the sound of one fish flopping? It goes sorta like this: "I didn’t do it, counselor.  I *swear* I didn’t do it.  I was in church.  They’re out to get me." davo

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Hi All, I will try to guess why it is hard to find waders for kids? Most young anglers are not fly fishing, so they don’t really need waders. They are growing so fast that parents don’t want to pay much for waders. We have carried them off and on for years with very little sales. It might be too dangerous? It is supply and demand. Bill Kiene

My Dad always told me that wading in cold water in tennis shoes makes ya tough, and waders were for wimpy old men.  My guess is the real reason is what Bill said, they’re expensive, you would have to buy a new pair every year, and if a kid fell down wearing them, he could drown. Levi

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You can buy wadders for kids now at Cabella’s, Orvis or Madison River Flyshop/Outfitters. We got a pair made by BARE at MRF only because local shops didn’t carry them and the national catalog houses were out of stock at that time.Expect to pay like 75-$125. We got ours from Mike at MRFC e-mail Bill is so right about out growing wadders and boots. We couldn’t locate a men’s pair of boots to fit so we went to the smaller ladies sizes instead. (anybody need a good pair of ladies size 5 Hogman’s?) Mike suggested NOT buying boots for kids. Just get cheap over size tennis/sports shoes. We also let the child play in water when fishing slows down. Just be careful about water quality and your fellow fisherman who won’t appreciate that. I usually don’t fish when my son is in the water. Kids need supervision on water even if they don’t actually need help casting. -kyle- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will try to guess why it is hard to find waders for kids? Most young anglers are not fly fishing, so they don’t really need waders. They are growing so fast that parents don’t want to pay much for waders. We have carried them off and on for years with very little sales. It might be too dangerous? It is supply and demand. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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rb 9 year old boys grow so fast it may be best to buy inexpensive rubber hip boots or flyweight hip waders like those made by Cabelas (he could wear them with an old pair of sneakers).  Not extrememly durable but they will probably still be in good shape when he grows out of them. They come in a wide range of sizes. dward

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My son is getting to the age (9) where I’d like to start taking him along on a few trips.   Who makes decent waders in smaller sizes for kids?   I suppose he’s not really tall enough that wading up to his waist will gain him much distance, but he’ll feel more like dad if he has his own. Joe

Hi All, I will try to guess why it is hard to find waders for kids? Most young anglers are not fly fishing, so they don’t really need waders. They are growing so fast that parents don’t want to pay much for waders. We have carried them off and on for years with very little sales. It might be too dangerous? It is supply and demand. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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My son is getting to the age (9) where I’d like to start taking him along on a few trips.   Who makes decent waders in smaller sizes for kids?   I suppose he’s not really tall enough that wading up to his waist will gain him much distance, but he’ll feel more like dad if he has his own. Joe

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My son is getting to the age (9) where I’d like to start taking him along on a few trips.   Who makes decent waders in smaller sizes for kids?   I suppose he’s not really tall enough that wading up to his waist will gain him much distance, but he’ll feel more like dad if he has his own.

Cabela’s has some in their catalog. — Charlie…

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My son is getting to the age (9) where I’d like to start taking him along on a few trips.   Who makes decent waders in smaller sizes for kids?   I suppose he’s not really tall enough that wading up to his waist will gain him much distance, but he’ll feel more like dad if he has his own. Cabela’s has some in their catalog. — Charlie…

Thanks,  I overlooked the easy answer.   Since I’ll be lucky if he fits in them for a whole year at the rate he’s growing, I wouldn’t want to go premium name brand stuff anyway. Thanks, Joe

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Orvis and LL Bean both sell kid sized waders, but they’re expensive. I got my son some Cabela’s lightweight stocking foot waders in size S when he was 10 (he’s a big kid).  They were too long for him, but otherwise fine. About half the price of the above. Michael – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My son is getting to the age (9) where I’d like to start taking him along on a few trips.   Who makes decent waders in smaller sizes for kids?   I suppose he’s not really tall enough that wading up to his waist will gain him much distance, but he’ll feel more like dad if he has his own. Joe

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Sounds like a fair trade,  I’ll need an XL [Red Ball ST's or better]…do the kids need to be housebroken ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Dan – years ago, Orvis had a 3 piece 8′ for 6wt Traveler graphite rod – back in the mid ’70’s tl – les

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Hi there, I do believe that all of the graphite fly rods produced by Orvis are 2 or 4

piece. There are currently two 3 pc. rods available from Orvis in the US.  One is the PM-10 8614-3 (8 1/2 ft. 14 wt. 3 pc.)and the other is a Silver Label 10ft. 7wt. 3pc.  Otherwise the current Orvis rods ar all either 2 or 4 piece.    There may be some 3 pc. rods currently in production for the UK market as there are a number of different rods that Orvis makes specifically for that market that are not sold here.  Most of them are much longer than 8 ft. though. There was a 3 piece 6 wt. available a number of years ago called "The Osprey" but it was 9 1/2 ft. long if I remember correctly.                           Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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WANTED: LOOKING FOR A 3 PIECE-8FT. 6WT. ORVIS

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WANTED: LOOKING FOR A 3 PIECE-8FT. 6WT. ORVIS

Call John Valk at Grindstone Angling at (905) 689-0880.  I know he has an old Orvis three piece something or other.  It may be a 6 wt.  I don’t remember. Peter

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WANTED: LOOKING FOR A 3 PIECE-8FT. 6WT. ORVIS

Hi there, I do believe that all of the graphite fly rods produced by Orvis are 2 or 4 piece. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I am new to the San Diego area and am looking for nearby fisheries.  Where can I find trout without driving for hours.  Any fly fishing streams? Thanks for the help.

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I am new to the San Diego area and am looking for nearby fisheries.  Where can I find trout without driving for hours.  Any fly fishing streams? Thanks for the help.

I do not know of any local fisheries, and NO local fly fishing streams.  Some people fly fish at cuyamaca and Murray, but I don’t know how well those lakes work.   Good luck Dave

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Try the surf for corvina.  I no they aren’t trout — but they are close and a challenge. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to the San Diego area and am looking for nearby fisheries.  Where can I find trout without driving for hours.  Any fly fishing streams? Thanks for the help. I do not know of any local fisheries, and NO local fly fishing streams.  Some people fly fish at cuyamaca and Murray, but I don’t know how well those lakes work.   Good luck Dave

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Contact San Diego Fly Fishers org c/o Strouds Tackle, Morena Blvd, San Diego CA for info on the group and its meetings (7 pm first Monday ea month).  Some SDFF members (not me) speak of  wild trout streams in the county that have 11"-12" trout.  SDFF also stocks county streams with hatchery trout each year. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try the surf for corvina.  I no they aren’t trout — but they are close and a challenge. I am new to the San Diego area and am looking for nearby fisheries.  Where can I find trout without driving for hours.  Any fly fishing streams? Thanks for the help. I do not know of any local fisheries, and NO local fly fishing streams.  Some people fly fish at cuyamaca and Murray, but I don’t know how well those lakes work.   Good luck Dave

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Lake Poway has trout.. haven’t tried ‘em, but I guess I should — Bob Dobson RAD Solutions www.radsolutions.com

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I am planning a trip to Montana in mid to late September and could use some advice on fly selection. My  girfriend will be fishing the Yellowstone, Madison, and in the park. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

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I am planning a trip to Montana in mid to late September and could use some advice on fly selection. My girlfriend and I will be fishing the Yellowstone, Madison, and some in Yellowstone Park. I would like to tie as many flies as possible before the trip. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

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I am planning a trip to Montana in mid to late September and could use some advice on fly selection. My girlfriend and I will be fishing the Yellowstone, Madison, and some in Yellowstone Park. I would like to tie as many flies as possible before the trip. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

Hi Tim, In September, in particular, the browns are quite active preparing to spawn. Preparing for this results in two activities: gorging lots of food to build up necessary fat deposits for spawning, and protecting their spawning lies from predators. Both activities result in excellent streamer fishing from September to November. Be prepared with a selection of Muddlers, Woolly Buggers, Matuka and Woolhead Sculpins, and Zonker patterns, to name a few of the more locally popular flies. September is also a fine time here for insects. Hydropsyche caddis are still emerging heavily on all the rivers (size 14-16, pale green & tan), as well as the late emergence of Rhyacophila (the "Bright Green Caddis Larva," size #14-16, olive adult). Baetis become the dominant mayfly (olive, size #18-22 with smaller sizes more typical of the fall emergence), with Mahogany duns (brown, size 14) providing late season action for the larger mayflies, especially on the Gallatin River. There are lesser hatches which are also "locally" important on some rivers, including Tricos (Madison), Attenella (upper Yellowstone), etc. I’d also suggest that you contact local fly shops for the area you’ll be visiting, including Jacklin’s in West Yellowstone and Montana Troutfitters or The River’s Edge in Bozeman. They can provide you with locally effective "hot" patterns and up-to-date fishing reports. Good Luck, Ryan Jordan J&J Flies (Bozeman)

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I had good luck using a PMD nymph at Buffalo Ford last Sept. Not much else was working at the time. Frank Cada

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I am planning a trip to Montana in mid to late September and could use some advice on fly selection. My girlfriend and I will be fishing the Yellowstone, Madison, and some in Yellowstone Park. I would like to tie as many flies as possible before the trip. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

Hi Tim You will need a series of Bead Head nymphs and Hare’s Ear Nymphs #10 – #16, assorted Wulffs #12 – #18, Parachute Adams #16 – #20, assorted Compara Duns #14 – #22, Elk Hair Caddis #12 – #20 both light and dark,   Real important for that time of years is #8 Grass Hoppers — my favorite is a Whit’s Hopper or something similar.  By the time September rolls around the fish will have seen many different Hopper patterns and the more realistic the better.  This is especially true in the Park.  The fish on Slough Creek as an example will often "nudge" a hopper patterns several times before taking it.  It’s important that you not strike when they nudge the fly but wait for them to take it.  It can be a real nerve racking experience but a lot of fun as well. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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It matters a GREAT deal WHERE on the Yellowstone you’ll be fishing.  The Yellowstone, as you know, is a very large river that can be broken down into several sections.  If you can be more specific as to the area you’ll be fishing, I’ll tell you the information you want to know.

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I am planning a trip to Montana in mid to late September and could use some advice on fly selection. My girlfriend and I will be fishing the Yellowstone, Madison, and some in Yellowstone Park. I would like to tie as many flies as possible before the trip. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

Have some hoppers for warm days. Wooly buggers in whatever fancies you. I like black with a touch of flash and the Bakers hole special which is yellow and brown with a touch of flash. Bead head Hares ears in a variety of sizes and bead head Prince seems to work on the Madison. Definitely have some size 18-22 pmd type emergers in pale yellow. Last year this was our most effective fly on the madison the first week of October. (I still after all these years can’t figure out how those trout see those flies in all that rough water!) Fished them with a small strike indicator on the nymphs and like a dry for the emergers. I personally still used the strike indicator on th emergers cause I sure can’t see the fly. I would also still have the basics in a variety of sizes like Wulfs Adams, Caddis and sparkle duns, but the nymphs were most productive for us. The Wooly Buggers were the most productive on the Yellowstone above Le Hardy Rapids. Kevin Williams

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I am planning a trip to Montana in mid to late September and could use some advice on fly selection. My girlfriend and I will be fishing the Yellowstone, Madison, and some in Yellowstone Park. I would like to tie as many flies as possible before the trip. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

I suggest calling Madison River Outfitters in West Yellowstone.  (I don’t feel comfortable publishing phone numbers, but I’m sure you can call information.)

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   Well, It’s been a long winter.!! I haven’t been on this newsgroup in a while…. I am seeking Adirondack/ Catskill fly fishermen to discuss and inform each other of productive streams, hatches, productive fly patterns for our various local streams. I fish mostly the Adirondack area, Warren, Essex County’s. When I have to stay local I fish the Kinderhook, Postenkill, etch. I haven’t gone to much south of this in a while.      I would like to hear from anyone who enjoys the fly fishing in these area’s   E-Mail me!

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   Well, It’s been a long winter.!! I haven’t been on this newsgroup in a while…. I am seeking Adirondack/ Catskill fly fishermen to discuss and inform each other of productive streams, hatches, productive fly patterns for our various local streams. I fish mostly the Adirondack area, Warren, Essex County’s. When I have to stay local I fish the Kinderhook, Postenkill, etch. I haven’t gone to much south of this in a while.      I would like to hear from anyone who enjoys the fly fishing in these area’s   E-Mail me!

Yesterday(4/3), I fished the trophy section of the West Canada.  It was ridiculously fast and high, but it was worth it to get out…  Otherwise, people are catching trout in Oriskany Creek and in Sconondoa Creek (both Oneida County). Ned

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[ Article crossposted from rec.outdoors.fishing ] [ Author was David Neils ]  Last July, my wife and I spent a fabulous week at a wilderness  outpost cabin in the heart of British Columbia.  Our hosts were  Rhonda and Duncan Stewart of Stewart’s Lodge and Camps.  This is  a fantastic lodge with access to over 20 lakes and streams from  the main lodge on Nimpo Lake.  They also have several wilderness  outpost locations.  We chose the wilderness outpost location for  our honeymoon.  Everything was perfect.  The rainbows averaged  1-3 pounds and were anxious to devour several well-known flies.  We had the entire lake to ourselves for 4 days.  There were no  trails or roads into this place.  The Stewart’s have erected a  wonderful cabin that is more than comfortable.  We enjoyed  hiking, canoeing, backpacking, and lots of fishing.  I’d like to  go back and catch the huge rainbows in the river locations.  Stewart’s lodge is located near Tweedsmuir Provincial Park.  This  is a beautiful park with plenty of great hiking opportunities.  It reminded me of Glacier Park with one exception…no people.  You virtually have most areas to yourself.  Stewart’s Lodge and Camps is a great place for fisherman and  non-fisherman alike.  I know that we will go back soon.  I’ll be  happy to answer any questions about our experience.  You can also  find out more information at their WWW site:  http://www.on-the-fly.com  Sincerely,    David Neils            3919 Benthaven Drive  Fort Collins, Colorado 80526 — Software Usability Engineer – HP SESD HP E-Mail Mentor Program – Administrator – http://mentor.external.hp.com 3404 East Harmony Rd., Fort Collins, CO 80525 voice: 970-229-4742 fax: 970-229-7734

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:  Last July, my wife and I spent a fabulous week at a wilderness :  outpost cabin in the heart of British Columbia.  Our hosts were :  Rhonda and Duncan Stewart of Stewart’s Lodge and Camps.  This is …stuff deleted You can also call Rhonda or Duncan for a full color brochure/newsletter. This is great reading. Call 1-800-ON-THE-FLY Tell them I sent you.       — Software Usability Engineer – HP SESD HP E-Mail Mentor Program – Administrator – http://mentor.external.hp.com 3404 East Harmony Rd., Fort Collins, CO 80525 voice: 970-229-4742 fax: 970-229-7734

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