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Anybody have an opinion on these reels?  I have the ability to buy one at a significant discount but don’t know a thing about them.  I’m looking at a model 11/12 and would like to use it in the salt along the east coast. Thanks, Bill

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Anybody have an opinion on these reels?  I have the ability to buy one at a significant discount but don’t know a thing about them.  I’m looking at a model 11/12 and would like to use it in the salt along the east coast.

Redington makes a fine product.  I have a large arbor in a smaller line weight and really like the reel.  The big concern now is the fact that Redington will soon discontinue manufacturing these reels for a new line.  Parts and service have been a big question with the old reel lines.  Redington was owned by Orvis at one time and apparently that partnership has dissolved and Redington is out on their own.  Smart move, IMHO. — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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The drag mechanisms get a bit rusty if not looked after properly. I used one in the salt for a few hours and it had started to rust before I even got out. But with care they can last for a helluva long time. I’ve got customers who’ve certain of the reels for three or four years of incessant saltwaterfishing with no problems. Ari Anybody have an opinion on these reels?  I have the ability to buy one at a significant discount but don’t know a thing about them.  I’m looking at a model 11/12 and would like to use it in the salt along the east coast. Thanks, Bill

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Redington makes a fine product.

    Redington doesn’t make anything. They are a marketing company that "outsources" all of their products. Not that it matters in this case, Redington reels have a good reputation.

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I was told by a local fly shop owner that these reels are made in Korea.  He also said they have an unconditional lifetime warranty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     Redington doesn’t make anything. They are a marketing company that "outsources" all of their products. Not that it matters in this case, Redington reels have a good reputation.

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Redington don

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This is one of the very few Orvis products that I used with satisfaction in the past.  Since it left the market I haven’t been able to find a good liquid floatant that worked as well (not that I’ve tried too hard).  I can’t remember the reason it was taken off the market, and whether there was a good homemade concoction to replace it (seem to me I heard of something, but it escapes me). I know I’m at risk of opening up some stupid thread-war about Gink, and the like, but looking for a liquid floatant (not a spray either).  Orvis has some new stuff out that your suppose to treat the fly with ahead of time, but really looking for something affordable (I think it was $5 for a half oz) and something I can use "on the fly" (sorry). The Finn

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From the price you quote you’re from the US or Canad (it would be twice as much in downunder dollars).  Therefore you should be able to avail yourself of the opprtunity to try Albolene (scent free) – a hand cream and lubricant with …errr… a myriad of uses.  Many here (roff) use said hand cream for floatant.  This is second hand info though never tried it myself. fingers crossed, Steve

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Ohhhhhhhhh nooooooooo,  not the albolene threads again…. Steve – thanks for the info but looking for a liquid cure,  I think the albolene is ginkish…..or gel, in it’s form. Anyone else??

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From the price you quote you’re from the US or Canad (it would be twice as much in downunder dollars).  Therefore you should be able to avail yourself of the opprtunity to try Albolene (scent free) – a hand cream and lubricant with …errr… a myriad of uses.  Many here (roff) use said hand cream for floatant.  This is second hand info though never tried it myself. fingers crossed, Steve

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Ohhhhhhhhh nooooooooo,  not the albolene threads again…. Steve – thanks for the info but looking for a liquid cure,  I think the albolene is ginkish…..or gel, in it’s form. Anyone else??

Er, OK, now I’m curious: why does it have to be "liquid form?"  If you simply don’t want a "gel," try Frog’s Fanny, or if you want "homemade," silica (desiccant) dust.  If you MUST have a liquid, get any of the myriad of products out there that come in liquid form. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From the price you quote you’re from the US or Canad (it would be twice as much in downunder dollars).  Therefore you should be able to avail yourself of the opprtunity to try Albolene (scent free) – a hand cream and lubricant with …errr… a myriad of uses.  Many here (roff) use said hand cream for floatant.  This is second hand info though never tried it myself. fingers crossed, Steve

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Ohhhhhhhhh nooooooooo,  not the albolene threads again…. Steve – thanks for the info but looking for a liquid cure,  I think the albolene is ginkish…..or gel, in it’s form.

  Ah, sorry ’bout that.   Steve

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You didn’t stick around long enough.      We left at 2:30 on Sunday.  What was Skinner doing so far from home? Lost?      Nah, just the usual stuff, like eating my groceries and drinking my booze.

  And damn good booze and food it was!  Even better than the other 20 times I sponged off you. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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How was the show?

  I thought it was a great show.  A little bigger this year which made it less crowded.  The crowd was thinner on Sunday.  My favorite part is the "Destination Theaters".  I saw some slides of some really neat country in CO and MT.  Nothing about Wyoming, though.  You know—not much to say about the fishing in this lousy state.   The only downside was having to follow Wilson around the booths with a mop. All that drooling— Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Rusty Hook says: I like Loon Hydrostop. It’s a pretreatment, and is a thin liquid. Dunk the flies in it and let them dry overnight…. This just in… Got a new product at a fly fishing expo last Sunday that’s supposed to be even better than hydrostop. The name escapes me at the moment; Gorilla Proof or something like that. I’ll give a full report after the thaw.

How was the show? Willi

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You didn’t stick around long enough.

     We left at 2:30 on Sunday.  What was Skinner doing so far from home? Lost?

     Nah, just the usual stuff, like eating my groceries and drinking my booze.

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Rusty Hook says: I like Loon Hydrostop. It’s a pretreatment, and is a thin liquid. Dunk the flies in it and let them dry overnight…. This just in… Got a new product at a fly fishing expo last Sunday that’s supposed to be even better than hydrostop. The name escapes me at the moment; Gorilla Proof or something like that. I’ll give a full report after the thaw.

How was the show. Willi

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Rusty Hook says: I like Loon Hydrostop. It’s a pretreatment, and is a thin liquid. Dunk the flies in it and let them dry overnight….

This just in… Got a new product at a fly fishing expo last Sunday that’s supposed to be even better than hydrostop. The name escapes me at the moment; Gorilla Proof or something like that. I’ll give a full report after the thaw. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Got a new product at a fly fishing expo last Sunday that’s supposed to be even better than hydrostop.

   Hey, you weren’t at the show! You said you’d be easy to spot because you’d be wearing a plaid shirt and baseball cap, and there wasn’t anybody there dressed like that (except me and Skinner).

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Charlie Wilson protests:    Hey, you weren’t at the show! You said you’d be easy to spot because you’d be wearing a plaid shirt and baseball cap, and there wasn’t anybody there dressed like that (except me and Skinner).

You didn’t stick around long enough. I finally showed up on Sunday afternoon, complete with flannel cap and baseball shirt, or something similar.  What was Skinner doing so far from home? Lost? — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Just prefer to dunk and run,  less mess and waste.  I’ve tried some of the others, and they sucked,  just looking for some suggestions,…

I like Loon Hydrostop. It’s a pretreatment, and is a thin liquid. Dunk the flies in it and let them dry overnight. My dries go straight from the vise (or the raffle) into the hydrostop, then into the storage box after they dry. About the only thing that defeats the stuff is fish slime, and a quick shake in dry floatant crystals will take care of that. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Still available here in Australia – I purchased a spraycan only about a week before Christmas.  

It’s off the market in the US, something about cancer risk. I’ll keep an eye out for it the next time I’m out of the country and bring some back. Useful stuff. — Charlie…

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Have you tried ScotchGuard?   That was taken off the market too.

Still available here in Australia – I purchased a spraycan only about a week before Christmas.  However, apparently there is some new "Super ScotchGuard" on the horizon or already out there, but I haven’t come across it yet. — NightStalker Email addy is nightstalker87 at hot(you know).com

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says… Ohhhhhhhhh nooooooooo,  not the albolene threads again…. Steve – thanks for the info but looking for a liquid cure,  I think the albolene is ginkish…..or gel, in it’s form. Anyone else??

Have you tried ScotchGuard?  Spray (yeah – I know) on the flies when they are tied or before the trip.  They float like crazy. — NightStalker Email addy is nightstalker87 at hot(you know).com

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Have you tried ScotchGuard?  

That was taken off the market too. — Charlie…

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Er, OK, now I’m curious: why does it have to be "liquid form?"  If you simply don’t want a "gel," try Frog’s Fanny, or if you want "homemade," silica (desiccant) dust.  If you MUST have a liquid, get any of the myriad of products out there that come in liquid form.

Just prefer to dunk and run,  less mess and waste.  I’ve tried some of the others, and they sucked,  just looking for some suggestions,

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I just use Gink. Whatever you think about the man the stuff works fine for me. Don’t try to get me into an argument or anything.  The guy asked a question, I answered it.  Imagine that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is one of the very few Orvis products that I used with satisfaction in the past.  Since it left the market I haven’t been able to find a good liquid floatant that worked as well (not that I’ve tried too hard).  I can’t remember the reason it was taken off the market, and whether there was a good homemade concoction to replace it (seem to me I heard of something, but it escapes me). I know I’m at risk of opening up some stupid thread-war about Gink, and the like, but looking for a liquid floatant (not a spray either).  Orvis has some new stuff out that your suppose to treat the fly with ahead of time, but really looking for something affordable (I think it was $5 for a half oz) and something I can use "on the fly" (sorry). The Finn

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Something like this happened to me. As I am an avis fly fisherman for atlantic salmon and sea trout, I used to fish a remote strech of a river. Over the years I discovered many spots that regularily hold sea trouts but does not look appealing to fish so the majority of other fisherman pass over them without stopping. I teached a coworker how to fly fish and bring him there with me many time the first years together so he also knew my best spots. The year after he bring one of his friend and another one who bring another one…  This gave me a good lesson.When you want a secret to stay secret, keep it for you. — Carol Dugas Caplan Quebec

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Over the years I discovered many spots that regularily hold sea trouts but does not look appealing to fish so the majority of other fisherman pass over them without stopping.

In what way did it look unappealing?  What first made you decide to fish there? Mu

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Mike Conner is the kind of fly fishing gentleman that I would  welcome to have him set up his fly tying vise next to mine and spend several days together . . . musing and inventing and comparing signatures.  Mike Conner always has a chair waiting him in my den of fly fishing affairs. Mr. G.

Well that is very kind of you George and I am sure you mean it, and I thank you for saying it. I am sure that if we stuck to flyfishing we would have a great time. I am proud of the fact that you invited me. Unfortunately I do not think I would be able to accept an invitation at the moment, especially in the light of some of your recent posts. My views on some things are obviously diametrically opposed to some of yours, and I am very much afraid we would end up in a heated argument, having nothing whatever to do with flyfishing ,  to no good purpose.  I do not wish to be unfriendly or insulting to you, in fact  I respect many of your achievements, and I have tried hard to be friendly, notwithstanding a few run ins we had on earlier occasions, but feel I must state the case as I see it. It is not my place to censure you publicly, this is a free group and you have the right to say what you like, and I am sure you can get along very well without my presumptuous advice. I will presume to give you some anyway, which is meant sincerely from someone who is truly trying his best to be friendly and helpful. Please try and moderate your tone in your posts, and try and think a bit more before you jump in with both feet on any and all subjects.  You have succeeded in upsetting a great many people recently, some very badly,  to no good purpose, and this will only result in unfriendliness, insults etc being cast in your direction, and is also bad for the group as a whole. You obviously have a lot to offer this group, and it is a shame that you constantly undermine your own position with nonsensical ranting and ill-considered statements or insults to all and sundry. It sometimes looks as if you were purposely inflaming people and making enemies of them deliberately. You must know yourself that this is no good, either for your person or your business.  Please George, take a rest and look back at some of your posts in the cold light of day, and I am sure you will realise that this sort of thing does nobody any good. Of seventy posts you sent in a very short space of time at least half were denigrating and insulting to somebody.   If you screw up on something, OK, so what, we all do occasionally, but most of us accept this and attempt to rectify matters as soon as possible. Blustering away as if nothing had occurred is not the way to do this. I accept and respect the fact that you are angry about the wanton destruction of the wilderness, and many other things, and your genuine desire to rectify matters, so are many others on this group and elsewhere. The methods proposed and the  type of posting you have been using is not the way to advance. The same goes for insulting remarks about your competitors, involved political harangues, or jumping on somebody who advocates using some other product etc etc etc.  George believe me please, these are not the actions of a wise man. Maybe you are subjecting yourself to too much stress in all your various efforts to change the world and make it a better place. I can understand your passion in this, in fact I am certain many on this group feel similarly, allowing your unbridled passion free rein , is a very bad way of going about it however, and does not particularly enhance the clarity of your arguments, or your chances of success, and probably blinds you to reality to some extent, so that you strike out illogically at anything even remotely concerned with the subject, in a manner and tone which is guarateed to upset people. Quiet considered argumentation backed up by a good example is far more liable to be successful, and would result in mutual respect and greater friendliness on the part of all concerned. I thought very carefully indeed before posting this to the group, as opposed to just privately, as I do not on any account wish you to take this as an insult. I feel however somebody must say these things to you as directly as possible so that there is no possible chance of misunderstanding, and that there are people on the group who would also like to say them, but are for various reasons reluctant to do so, but would nevertheless like to see them said. George, please do me one more favour. Read this post carefully several times. Go away and think about it for a while, and then come back and read it again before you reply. Perhaps we may yet sit down one day in your den and tie a few flies or down a few grouses. I would like to think so. Whatever you may think or say George. I wish you well. Sincerely Mike Connor

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Are you related to Jimmy Connors? I was once flamed for misspelling his name.

No relation, and I dont play tennis, but I do have balls If I flamed everybody who spelled my name wrongly, my fingers would be smoking, and I would need a new keyboard twice a week. Tait  leins ! Maik Koner

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 Mike Conner is the kind of fly fishing gentleman that I would  welcome to have him set up his fly tying vise next to mine and spend several days together . . . musing and inventing and comparing signatures.  Mike Conner always has a chair waiting him in my den of fly fishing affairs. Mr. G.

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 Hell Wayno, where is the mouthpiece on a golf club ? Tight lines ! Mike Connor,  the ignorant

Wayne Harrison’s ass so bad, he will confess humbleness. —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone recommend sources of "formulas" for tying leaders. I purchase a Maxima "kit" from Cabela’s which was advertised to contain "instructions" but was told by their Customer sevice rep that the mfg. does not supply such instructions. I have an old Orvis formula chart an article from Fly Fisherman which covers a few George Harvey formulas but would like to find something more extensive. Ideas? Tight Lines Ted Miller Can anyone recommend sources of "formulas" for tying leaders. I purchase a Maxima "kit" from Cabela’s which was advertised to contain "instructions" but was told by their Customer sevice rep that the mfg. does not supply such instructions. I have an old Orvis formula chart an article from Fly Fisherman which covers a few George Harvey formulas but would like to find something more extensive. Ideas? Tight Lines Ted Miller

Ted: For what it’s worth, I’ve been using George Harvey formula leaders for many years, mostly in the east but on many western rivers as well, and have found these leaders to be entirely satisfactory.  Of course, on stream I end up making all sorts of adjustments, depending on what I’m fishing and what the water is like, so I’m not sure what "formula" I would have at any given time.  The Harvey formulas are good starting points, however. Mark Faulkner

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Hi, One of my favorites, especially for Atlantic Salmon. 55 % Butt (heavy section)(mostly of 1 peice, can be 2) 25% Tapered Sections ( 4 short decending weights) 20% tippet (1 section) This is an easy formula to remember – 100" leader, and easy to work up or down in proportion For example 55" – 30 lb,   25" ( approx – 6" each) – 25lb, 20lb,15lb, 12lb,   20" – 8 lb. Works for me. Dennis Grant Atlantic FLy Fishing School Brookfield, NS

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Might also look at http://www.flyshop.com/Tactics/01-97Leaders/index.html for more information.

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Can anyone recommend sources of "formulas" for tying leaders. I purchase a Maxima "kit" from Cabela’s which was advertised to contain "instructions" but was told by their Customer sevice rep that the mfg. does not supply such instructions. I have an old Orvis formula chart an article from Fly Fisherman which covers a few George Harvey formulas but would like to find something more extensive. Ideas? Tight Lines Ted Miller

I noticed that some of those pocket version books such us "Guide of knots for leaders" have a lot of info that can be useful.   They are laminated so you could have them with you when you are fishing.  I am pretty sure you could get them in your local fishing store.   Arek.

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Ted; I bought the Maxima Kit from Cabela’s three years ago and it did come with a table of tapers. Can’t imagine why they arn’t putting it in the package now. I am providing several typical taper formulas in this posting and if you want others I will follow up based on any description of use that you provide. Enjoy! Regards, Ken Table ! Maxima Chameleon Leader size to Hook Size Size    Test    Dia     Hook 6x      2lb.    .oo5    18-24 5x      3lb.    .006    14-20 4x      4lb.    .007    10-16 3x      5lb.    .008    6-12 2x      6lb.    .009    2-10 1x      8lb.    .010    2/0-6 01x     10lb.   .012    4/0-4 02x     12lb.   .013    6/0-2 Join sections with blood knot Table 2 Maxima 60/20/20 Tapered Leader Formulas 5-7 Weight Lines 10′ Leader Test            Dia             Length 25              .020                    40" 20              .017                    27" 15              .015    (4")       (5")       6" 12 (02x)                .013    (4")       (5")       6" 10 (01x)                .012    (4")       (5")       6" 8 (1x)          .010    (4")       (5")       6" 6 (2x)          .009    (4")       (5")       24" 4 (4x)          .007    (4")       (24")       3 (5x)          .006    (24") 5-7 Weight Lines 12′ Leader Test            Dia             Length 25              .020                    52" 20              .017                    35" 15              .015            (5")       6" 12 (02x)                .013            (5")       6" 10 (01x)                .012            (5")       6" 8 (1x)          .010            (5")       6" 6 (2x)          .009            (5")       6" 4 (4x)          .007            (5")       (28") 3 (5x)          .006            (28") 8-9 Weight Lines 10′ Leader Test            Dia             Length 30              .022                    44" 25              .020                    27" 20              .017    (5")       (6")       8"" 15              .015    (5")       (6")       8" 12 (02x)                .013    (5")       (6")       8" 10 (01x)                .012    (5")       (6")       24" 8 (1x)          .010    (5")       (24") 6 (2x)          .009    (24") 8-9 Weight Lines 12′ Leader Test            Dia             Length 30              .022                    52" 25              .020                    35" 20              .017            (6")       7"" 15              .015            (6")       7" 12 (02x)                .013            (6")       7" 10 (01x)                .012            (6")       7" 8 (1x)          .010            (6")       28" 6 (2x)          .009            (28") – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone recommend sources of "formulas" for tying leaders. I purchase a Maxima "kit" from Cabela’s which was advertised to contain "instructions" but was told by their Customer sevice rep that the mfg. does not supply such instructions. I have an old Orvis formula chart an article from Fly Fisherman which covers a few George Harvey formulas but would like to find something more extensive. Ideas? Tight Lines Ted Miller

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Hi I’m sure you will get good answers from this group but I notice you are on AOL. Check the fishing reports at keyword FBN. That may help as well. Happy Holidays. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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The two bodies of water that I usually fish are the Rose River off of Skyline Drive and Mossy Creek in the Shenandoah Valley.  I’ve only fished dry flies and haven’t got the slightest idea on how to approach nymph fishing, for that matter what nymphs to fish.  I would venture to say that I’ve caught the bug and won’t let a little inclimate weather frighten me off.  Is this the right approach, or should I hang it up until the Spring?

No way, dude. When I lived in MD, I fished Big Hunting Creek in Thurmont 12 mos/yr. In fact, the bigest browns I caught in that great stream were both in Januarys.  Fished the typical nymphs: Hare’s Ear in brown and olive, Pheasant Tails, etc. Nothin fancy. Just fish ‘em deep with a sloooooow retrieve. I laid it right at the mouths of these fish and they couldn’t resist. Of course, when the water’s that cold, the fish aren’t very active, that is until they realize they have a hook in their kype. Another bennie: since you are a beginner (tho, who isn’t?), winter fishing gives you time to work on technique and most importantly, patience. Plus, there are fewer folks around to feel intimidated by. So stick with it. -cst

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Ditto CST–I’ll be on Big Hunting Creek tomorrow.  Nymphs are fine and streamers are also fine.  Nymph one way, then streamer yourself home.  I like a shockingly large brown or tan or olive and black bullet-head woolly bugger.  Big rainbows will eat those too;  and Mossy’s got some humongous brownies that love meat. Dave

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I’m somewhat of a novice at fly fishing, but I wanted to get some input from the more experienced fly fishermen concerning winter fishing.  I’ve done some reading on fishing in the winter, but wanted to be armed with a little more info before I head out to freeze. The two bodies of water that I usually fish are the Rose River off of Skyline Drive and Mossy Creek in the Shenandoah Valley.  I’ve only fished dry flies and haven’t got the slightest idea on how to approach nymph fishing, for that matter what nymphs to fish.  I would venture to say that I’ve caught the bug and won’t let a little inclimate weather frighten me off.  Is this the right approach, or should I hang it up until the Spring?

Dave, There’s also a free magazine which is available at most of the VA fly shops which will lead you to the right patterns year round, and offers tips on winter fishing techniques in our state. Look for it at Orvis shops, Harry Murray’s place and others. Keith in Waterford, VA

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Hey Dave,        I went on Christmas day to a small brook trout stream on Catoctin Mt. and used a size 16 unweighted hares ear, a small split shot and a piece of orvis clay strike indicator and caught brookies on the edge of flowing water. I was fighting to keep the guides clear of ice and there wasn’t any casting room but it was a lot of fun.(very light tackle).I used a dead drift in combination with a line hand gather retrieve. They seemed to be more ready to take on the retrieve than the drift. Just fish near flowing water not really in it. Good luck, John

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I’m somewhat of a novice at fly fishing, but I wanted to get some input from the more experienced fly fishermen concerning winter fishing.  I’ve done some reading on fishing in the winter, but wanted to be armed with a little more info before I head out to freeze.   The two bodies of water that I usually fish are the Rose River off of Skyline Drive and Mossy Creek in the Shenandoah Valley.  I’ve only fished dry flies and haven’t got the slightest idea on how to approach nymph fishing, for that matter what nymphs to fish.  I would venture to say that I’ve caught the bug and won’t let a little inclimate weather frighten me off.  Is this the right approach, or should I hang it up until the Spring?

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I’m still exploring the alphabet for new fishing locales.  Someone suggested the upper reaches of the Zuni River, on the reservation in New Mexico, might contain a few fish. It looks like pretty dry country, to me. Anybody know anything about it? Otherwise, I may be forced to travel to South America, or Africa. I think the X river will only be found, overseas.

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I’m still exploring the alphabet for new fishing locales.  Someone suggested the upper reaches of the Zuni River, on the reservation in New Mexico, might contain a few fish. It looks like pretty dry country, to me. Anybody know anything about it? Otherwise, I may be forced to travel to South America, or Africa. I think the X river will only be found, overseas.

The Zymoetz River of British Columbia (aka the Copper), near Terrace, BC, contains runs of salmon and steelhead. –Steve Otto

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Did anyone catch a Namaycush on a fly (wet or dry)?

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: Did anyone catch a Namaycush on a fly (wet or dry)? I fish lake trout quite frequently on the fly, in the spring, just after ice-out.  I normally throw a sink-tip or sinking line.  If the laker population is largely piscivorous (fish-eating), I start near an inflowing stream where they’ll probably be gorging on baitfish in fairly shallow water.  In Switzerland, I expect bream and perch are likely forage.  In these conditions, I’ll go with some kind of a flashy streamer.  With planktivorous lake trout populations (those feeding mainly on invertebrates), some kind of an emerger pattern, matching the activity you see in the water, is usually a good bet.  I’ve never caught a _really_ big one like this, but I can assure you that a 4 kg fish on a 4 weight rod is certainly a memorable experience! In my area, flies are pretty much out of contention by mid-June, unless you’re fishing a really smal, spring-fed lake, wherein you might be able to use a fast-sinking line and get them all summer long!  Oh joy; oh bliss! Hope this helps.  Tchuss! —                                 | Dave Fluri                      |       "No me agaro ya de nada, para North Bay, Ontario, Canada      |        asi no tener nada que defender."                                 |               -Carlos Castaneda                                 |

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I started out by reading the Orvis Guide to Fly Fishing.  You can find it at any Orvis dealership and at most bookshops that have a large sports section. Good luck, Todd Etchieson

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Quoting MarkPuch<mpuch from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly     I am just starting to fly fish and I am looking for books I can     read on fly fishing lakes and rivers.  Also on how to tie flies.  If    you know of any books please let me know. Mark – I just picked up and excellant book for learning fly tying.  Its "The Art of Fly Tying" by Johnvan Vliet and is published by The Hunting & Fishing Library.  Cost was about $24.  It concentrates on techniques rather than patterns.  Starts with tools and materials then tells how to tie tails, wings, boddies, hackle…. then goes on to general how to on streamers, nymphs, drys, wets, terrestrials, bass & pikle flys.  If you learn the techniques then you can tie any of the patterns.  Since I’m a beginner tyer, looks like it will help me a bunch. Rainbow V 1.17.5 for Delphi – Registered

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The Art of Fly Tying is excellent! Also, you might want to pick up any book by Dave Hughes. He not only tells you how he does it, so you can learn from his mistakes and victories, but also tells it in the most easily read format and style of any fly fishing author (and believe it or not, I have read most of them). Good luck, and remember the most important thing to learning about fly fishing and fly tying, is to HAVE FUN! Redside2

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Quoting MarkPuch<mpuch from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly     I am just starting to fly fish and I am looking for books I can     read on fly fishing lakes and rivers.  Also on how to tie flies.  If    you know of any books please let me know. Mark – I just picked up and excellant book for learning fly tying.  Its "The Art of Fly Tying" by Johnvan Vliet and is published by The Hunting & Fishing Library.  Cost was about $24.  It concentrates on techniques rather than patterns.  Starts with tools and materials then tells how to tie tails, wings, boddies, hackle…. then goes on to general how to on streamers, nymphs, drys, wets, terrestrials, bass & pikle flys.  If you learn the techniques then you can tie any of the patterns.  Since I’m a beginner tyer, looks like it will help me a bunch. Rainbow V 1.17.5 for Delphi – Registered

I would like to second that endorsement.  Vliet’s photographs illustrate techniques very well, and he has more than enough patterns to keep you busy.  He also gives instructions on how to tie parachutes and other techniques which are too arcane to discussed in smaller tomes like Dick Stewart’s "Universal Fly Tying Guide".  Get the ring bound edition if you can.  It’s pages lie flat when you prop the book up on your kitchen table.  Oops, I meant tying bench. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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Pick up a copy of the Curtis Creek Manifesto by Sheridan Anderson. I bought it when I started fly fishing in 1976 and still get a kick out of thumbing thru it.  It is illustrated in a cartoon manner and is one of the best beginner books out there.                                                             Good luck, Mark Heskett

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: Does anyone know if there is a rod building newsgroup? If not, does this : newsgroup handle most of the rod building questions? And I’m sorry about your name…it must have been a rough childhood.<g Yeah, it was fun. And I defy anyone to come up with something new I havn’t heard

Takes me back to my childhood Bruce, my older cousin always called me sweet pea. What type of rod are you going to build.  When I first started fly fishing You could build a rod for $25.  My favorite rod is a Fenwick Ferralite fiberglass rod constructed with Fuji single foot guides.  It’s made for falling in the mountain streams.  When I fall which is a couple of times a year, I don’t want to worry about screrwing up an expensive rod and reel. I just throw it as I go down so I don’t land on it and do permanent damage.  A Medalist reel has stood up to the task, although I have had to do some work on it with a pair of long nose pliers.  I always thought I would make a bamboo rod some day, but the older I get the less ambitious I am. Ernie Harrison

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ha, think your names were rough! try jason "Bever" (Beaver) I figure it could be worse, My sister has it worse than I do! ha

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      I am just starting to fly fish and I am looking for books I can read on fly fishing lakes and rivers.  Also on how to tie flies.  If you know of any books please let me know. live psychic line                  =  date line 1-900-659-9966 ext #1199           =  1-900-835-5182 ext #1193 3.95 per minute                    =  2.49 per minute Mark Puch

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I received a catalog in the mail from Angler’s Covey today…(since I’m VERY new to FFing, I’m not able to evaluate it…) The humorous part of it is, they had a note attached that said something to the effect of "Due to the overwhelming response for our 1995 catalog, we can only supply you with a prior year catalog…call for updated prices." It was a 1993 catalog…I wonder if the info on this group had anything to do with it?  :) Fish on!, JC Angler’s Covey, Inc. 917 W. Colorado Ave. Colorado, Springs, CO. 80905 719-471-2984 800-753-4746 mail order Full service shop with anything you might need, including; gear, tackle, advice, guides, classes, etc.  Nice, knowledgable folks.  Mention my name.  It shouldn’t run the prices up too much. Bryan

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No One mentioned my favorites in Denver The Complete Angler – Arapahoe Road & I-25 in Englewood Co (Denver Sub) Pricey but knowledge is abundant. Only First Class Stuff. All Pro Fish N’ Sport 6221 S. Sante Fe Littleton Co. 80120 Bigger selection harder to find Mike Peters —- Fishing, Camping, MWC, Home office, Colorado, Micrographics, Computers, Electronics, TV/VCR/Audio repair.

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try the Front Range Angler in Boulder-great shop with great selection of flies/ equipment

: I am looking for the name and phone numbers of full service fly shops in : Colorado. Any help would be greatly appreciated. : Dale Owens

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I’ve had great luck with the St. Vrain Angler in Longmont (303) 776-5228.   There’s another posting I just saw that gave the number a CO angling info line and for the Estes Angler (303) 586-2110, owned by the same guy. Both truly full service shops, guides are good teachers.  

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You asked I am looking for the name and phone numbers of full service fly shops in

Colorado. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Dale Owens ****** Two good shops Front Range Angler — Boulder [303] 494-1375 Angler’s All — Littleton [303] 794-1104 Joe Lhotka Colorado USA

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I am looking for the name and phone numbers of full service fly shops in Colorado. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Dale Owens

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I am looking for the name and phone numbers of full service fly shops in Colorado. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Saint Peter’s Fly in Fort Collins (303-498-8968) are a professional and friendly, congenial bunch of folks.  Another good one is in Longmont on 4th street, but I forget the name. — -Wayne Trzyna

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: I am looking for the name and phone numbers of full service fly shops in : Colorado. Any help would be greatly appreciated. : Dale Owens Angler’s Covey, Inc. 917 W. Colorado Ave. Colorado, Springs, CO. 80905 719-471-2984 800-753-4746 mail order Full service shop with anything you might need, including; gear, tackle, advice, guides, classes, etc.  Nice, knowledgable folks.  Mention my name.  It shouldn’t run the prices up too much. Bryan Remember:  Fishing is NOT a matter of life and death.               It is much more important than that!            Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.               Teach a man to fish and you get rid of him on weekends. Bryan Call (719)590-5772  |All opinions expressed here are mine & mine alone. Hewlett-Packard Co.       |  But then, I’ve never let that stop me before.     P.O. BOX 2197             |    Many men go fishing all their lives without Colorado Springs, Co 80901|    knowing that it is not fish they are after.

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try the Front Range Angler in Boulder-great shop with great selection of flies/ equipment : I am looking for the name and phone numbers of full service fly shops in : Colorado. Any help would be greatly appreciated. : Dale Owens

ANGLER’S COVEY ON WEST COLORADO STREET (what else?) IN COLORADO SPRINGS. GOOD PEOPLE.  KNOWLEDGEABLE.  FRIENDLY.  COOPERATIVE.  (Orvis Shop, so it can be pricey, but what the heck – you can’t have everything). This flatland furriner stops there everytime I make my annual pilgrimage to the South Platte. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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