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I have read that it is a good idea to attach a short length of monofilament to the end of one’s line and finishing it with a perfection loop.  This would enable one to attach (and exchange) different leaders without having to tie a knot (loop to loop) and saves the end of the fly line from repeated clippings.   I would like to know two things: 1. Who uses this and do you like it? 2. What length and pound test of mono would you suggest for a 5wt fly line? Thanks in advance for your help. JB

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JB, I used to use a perfection loop but changed last year when I realized that 98% of any windknots I got were wrapped around the loop connection.  I now tie on a  12"-18" section of heavy (20#) mono directly to the end of the fly line using a blood knot, then tie in a knotless leader one size under my desired tippet (again with a blood knot), then finally tie in a tippet of the desired length and weight using either a surgeons knot or another blood knot. When the tippet needs replaced I just snip off just behind the last knot and tie in another length.  The leader is handled the same way.  When the heavy mono gets below six inches I snip it off just behind the knot and tie in again. While this does cause some loss of the fly line it is very little, less than a inch last year.  I figure by the time I get to the point where it interferes with the geometry of the fly line it will be time to replace the line anyway. When I first started this I got a spool of 10# mono and practiced tying blood knots while watching TV or listening to the stereo.  I had always avoided tying the blood knot as it appeared difficult and clumsy but after a week of practicing during TV or stereo I was tying them without looking. Overall this system has been easy for me to use and its reduced my windknots by maybe 50%. Just my experience. Regards, Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have read that it is a good idea to attach a short length of monofilament to the end of one’s line and finishing it with a perfection loop.  This would enable one to attach (and exchange) different leaders without having to tie a knot (loop to loop) and saves the end of the fly line from repeated clippings.   I would like to know two things: 1. Who uses this and do you like it? 2. What length and pound test of mono would you suggest for a 5wt fly line? Thanks in advance for your help. JB

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______  If you will TRASH that loop to loop connection because you’re so lazy to do it right, your delivery will be most assured and up town as a serious fly fisherman. Need I be more blunt?

No, but you might try saying it in English. — Levi Life is anything that dies when you stomp on it.                                                         — Dave Barry

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Don, Thanks for the advice, I appreciate you sharing your experience and I will give your method a try.   Kind of you to help, thanks again. EJB

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EJB I agree with Don and do it exactly the same way he does.  I use the same poundage lines too.  If I were writing the first reply, it would have been the same as Don’s Good luck! Bob

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I use a loop-to-loop connection between leader and tippet only if the tippet is 4lb test or higher.  A good knot will distribute the stress over several wraps of monofilament.  A loop to loop connection is just line against line. In most cases, I’ll tie on a tippet with a surgeon’s knot. Mu

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I use a loop-to-loop connection between leader and tippet only if the tippet is 4lb test or higher.  A good knot will distribute the stress over several wraps of monofilament.  A loop to loop connection is just line against line. In most cases, I’ll tie on a tippet with a surgeon’s knot. Mu

______  If you will TRASH that loop to loop connection because you’re so lazy to do it right, your delivery will be most assured and up town as a serious fly fisherman. Need I be more blunt? — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/  Updates http://www.gink.com/chat Flyfishing Conversations 6:00 PM PST till after midnight.

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I started out with a 6-wt St. Croix Legend, and it’s still one of my favorite rods.   I liked it enough that I bought a 9-wt. St. Croix the next year.   It too is great.   I’ve casted better rods, and own better rods, but the St. Croix is a fine rod for the money.   Like another poster said, it matches my ability.   I have a really fine Sage 3-wt that cries whenever I pick it up. Joe

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I know what you mean Wayne. I bought one of the entry level Cotland 4 piece 6weight rods back in the early eighties. I am glad I never got rid of that rod. I have bought a whole stack of rods since then that I don’t like as well. I have fished a couple of St. Croix rods that I liked. Try them all and buy what you like. Dale

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My wife won a 4wt Ultra in a TU fund raiser and loves it. I had had her using my Loomis GL-3,4s and even a GLX which she never liked–too stiff. I tried it and was surprised at what a wonderful rod it was for dry fly fishing. In my opinion it doesn’t have enough backbone for nymph fishing or for casting anything with any weight. Bottom line is its your preference. If you’re really into dry fly fishing however, I’d highly recommend it for light wind situations. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK , first of all I’ve fly fishing for years but I’m not a good caster. Was wondering how the top of the line St.Croix rods ( they’re so much more reasonable) stack up against the $500 and $600 rods from Sage, Loomis, Winston et al?? A lot of guys seem to like them . I know little about them. A hidden bargain? Or? Thanks, Gerry

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I think they are a great value for the money. Very good components that you see on much more expensive rods. Good looking rods. But the key is to cast the rods and compare.  A SP, GLX or LT might cast better but is it worth an extra $200? Michael L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -OK , first of all I’ve fly fishing for years but I’m not a good caster. Was wondering how the top of the line St.Croix rods ( they’re so much more reasonable) stack up against the $500 and $600 rods from Sage, Loomis, Winston et al?? A lot of guys seem to like them . I know little about them. A hidden bargain? Or? Thanks, Gerry

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OK , first of all I’ve fly fishing for years but I’m not a good caster. Was wondering how the top of the line St.Croix rods ( they’re so much more reasonable) stack up against the $500 and $600 rods from Sage, Loomis, Winston et al?? A lot of guys seem to like them . I know little about them. A hidden bargain? Or? Thanks, Gerry </PRE</HTML

Yes- they are good. Not a hidden bargain.  A real bargain. Their mid line rods "Imperial" great for the $. Joel Axelrad

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St.Croix Rods do the job.  They are great folk and stand by their products. Watch out for "Tackle Gap". That is when your equipment is miles beyond your skill level.  I expect that my St.Croix rods will always be fine for my talents!  Put the extra $$  into good line – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK , first of all I’ve fly fishing for years but I’m not a good caster. Was wondering how the top of the line St.Croix rods ( they’re so much more reasonable) stack up against the $500 and $600 rods from Sage, Loomis, Winston et al?? A lot of guys seem to like them . I know little about them. A hidden bargain? Or? Thanks, Gerry </PRE</HTML Yes- they are good. Not a hidden bargain.  A real bargain. Their mid line rods "Imperial" great for the $. Joel Axelrad

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Gerry,     I’m sure this is going to be unpopular advice but a rod ,despite what the manufactures want you to believe, isn’t going fix what ever is wrong with your casting. I’m lucky that I get to cast a lot of rods and some of them are great and some of them I wouldn’t give you a nickel for. Are they bad rods? No.. I just like some of them better than others. In fact, I’m still fishing a Sage DS. The point is get some help with your casting and buy the rod that feels good to you. Also, their is no rule that says you have to buy the "top of the line" rod. The rod either fits  your situation or it doesn’t. After that it is a warranty and appearance issue. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK , first of all I’ve fly fishing for years but I’m not a good caster. Was wondering how the top of the line St.Croix rods ( they’re so much more reasonable) stack up against the $500 and $600 rods from Sage, Loomis, Winston et al?? A lot of guys seem to like them . I know little about them. A hidden bargain? Or? Thanks, Gerry

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OK , first of all I’ve fly fishing for years but I’m not a good caster. Was wondering how the top of the line St.Croix rods ( they’re so much more reasonable) stack up against the $500 and $600 rods from Sage, Loomis, Winston et al?? A lot of guys seem to like them . I know little about them. A hidden bargain? Or? Thanks, Gerry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gerry,     I have not fly fished for years but I have done a heap of casting and fishing since I started earlier this year.  I decided about a month ago (after 3 days of casting lessons and a lot of practice) I was ready to see if better gear would make a difference for me.  I went to a fly fishing show (you can do the same at a well stocked dealer) and tried a number of different rods ( 7 or 8). I took along my reel with the line weight I would be using.  I switched it from rod to rod to make sure I was comparing apples to apples.  I tried several models from the same manufacturer and several manufacturers.  I bought the rod that FELT BEST TO ME!  I found that with my casting style, one rod stood out from the others.  It took less effort, cast further, laid out the line more smoothly, and turned over the tippet more uniformly and accurately than the others.  The difference was very noticeable.  I can’t say that manufacturer would be the best there is.  I really believe you have to try the darn things and make your decision.  My instructor had two St. Croix rods and I tried them both.  I liked my entry level Cortland much better and so did he.  You may find the St. Croix to be YOUR ROD!  Quality wise they make a decent stick. BTW: the rod I bought was just under $500 Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. OK , first of all I’ve fly fishing for years but I’m not a good caster. Was wondering how the top of the line St.Croix rods ( they’re so much more reasonable) stack up against the $500 and $600 rods from Sage, Loomis, Winston et al?? A lot of guys seem to like them . I know little about them. A hidden bargain? Or? Thanks, Gerry

to fish them almost extensively. Regarding better quality fly rods at 1/3 rd the price, you should call Lamiglass Fly Rod Company  up Woodland Washington way and talk to Dick Posey.  These are the fly rods I fish exclusively.  Why? Well, they don’t break, for one thing and they have unmatched quality and technology.  Just remember this.  Loomis used to work for Dick Posey and Dick taught Garry almost everything he knows.  Well, that isn’t right either.  Let’s just say, ‘most of what he knows.’  Loomis products are over-priced, like it or not folks.  However; they are a fair rod but not as good as Posey Fly Rods in my opinion.  I think you can get a Lamiglass, factory direct for $230  more or less.  My 9′6" #8 Steelhead Fly Rod is a Lamiglass. George

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I can’t speak for their top-line model, but I own their mid-line rod and have cast their entry level rod, and I love them both. At the price, IMO they’re a great bargain, and like I said a couple of weeks ago here, they compare well with rods at twice the price. Having said that, whether its the rod for you, I’d try to find and cast one before shelling out the $$$. And if you’ve been flyfishing for years and your casting is still a problem, maybe some of the money could be spent on casting lessons? When I bought my new golf clubs, they looked damn good but didn’t make my swing better.  :) Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK , first of all I’ve fly fishing for years but I’m not a good caster. Was wondering how the top of the line St.Croix rods ( they’re so much more reasonable) stack up against the $500 and $600 rods from Sage, Loomis, Winston et al?? A lot of guys seem to like them . I know little about them. A hidden bargain? Or? Thanks, Gerry

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Gerry,     I have not fly fished for years but I have done a heap of casting and fishing since I started earlier this year.  I decided about a month ago (after 3 days of casting lessons and a lot of practice) I was ready to see if better gear would make a difference for me.  I went to a fly fishing show (you can do the same at a well stocked dealer) and tried a number of different rods ( 7 or 8). I took along my reel with the line weight I would be using.  I switched it from rod to rod to make sure I was comparing apples to apples.  I tried several models from the same manufacturer and several manufacturers.  I bought the rod that FELT BEST TO ME!  I found that with my casting style, one rod stood out from the others.  It took less effort, cast further, laid out the line more smoothly, and turned over the tippet more uniformly and accurately than the others.  The difference was very noticeable.  I can’t say that manufacturer would be the best there is.  I really believe you have to try the darn things and make your decision.  My instructor had two St. Croix rods and I tried them both.  I liked my entry level Cortland much better and so did he.  You may find the St. Croix to be YOUR ROD!  Quality wise they make a decent stick. BTW: the rod I bought was just under $500 Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK , first of all I’ve fly fishing for years but I’m not a good caster. Was wondering how the top of the line St.Croix rods ( they’re so much more reasonable) stack up against the $500 and $600 rods from Sage, Loomis, Winston et al?? A lot of guys seem to like them . I know little about them. A hidden bargain? Or? Thanks, Gerry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s a funny thing about fly patterns, the interest in them seem cyclic. The picket pin was a popular pattern when I was just getting started as a fly fisherman back the early 50s. Then interest faded, you didn’t see on many fly lists or in many catalogs. Now its becoming more prominent again. I had an interesting experience with an other old attractor pattern a few years back. I started tying a pattern know as the house & lot variant. I first used it as a kid, It was Ike’s favorite fly, and as such was fairly well known at the time. I started tying it just as an exercise, not expecting to use it much. Well you know the rest of the story it turned out to a deadly pattern for larger brown trout, particularly at dusk. My fishing buddy and I were having a great time with this fly and to keep it secret we only referred to it as the "Ike fly" around other anglers. Well after awhile someone figured it out and for a couple of years it had a small following in this area. for what ever reason after awhile it quit producing like it did at first and interest wane. You don’t see it in many fly boxes anymore. Last year I dusted off an other old forgotten fly and it looks like its going to be another winner, at least for a while. Which leads me to ask this question: by practicing catch and release are we educating the trout? God I hope so! Here to the tough ones, the one that teach us something! I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I haven’t had the opportunity to travel extensively to fish destinations far removed from my native central New York, however I have had good success with these patterns as far south as the Savage and Gunpowder rivers in Maryland. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the subject. Furthermore am I missing out on any interesting local patterns from other areas of the country. Any info and/or recipes appreciated. Thanks in advance and good fishing C. Segina

   Its funny that you talk about the h & l variant as i call it because out here in Colorado it’s a very popular fly.  in fact it’s one of my favorite to tie and fish.  I didn’t know the history behind it and that’s very interesting. fly patterns are very interesting and sometimes entertaining to hear the stories behing them and the way their popularity changes over time.

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It’s a funny thing about fly patterns, the interest in them seem cyclic. The picket pin was a popular pattern when I was just getting started as a fly fisherman back the early 50s. Then interest faded, you didn’t see on many fly lists or in many catalogs. Now its becoming more prominent again. I had an interesting experience with an other old attractor pattern a few years back. I started tying a pattern know as the house & lot variant. I first used it as a kid, It was Ike’s favorite fly, and as such was fairly well known at the time. I started tying it just as an exercise, not expecting to use it much. Well you know the rest of the story it turned out to a deadly pattern for larger brown trout, particularly at dusk. My fishing buddy and I were having a great time with this fly and to keep it secret we only referred to it as the "Ike fly" around other anglers. Well after awhile someone figured it out and for a couple of years it had a small following in this area. for what ever reason after awhile it quit producing like it did at first and interest wane. You don’t see it in many fly boxes anymore. Last year I dusted off an other old forgotten fly and it looks like its going to be another winner, at least for a while. Which leads me to ask this question: by practicing catch and release are we educating the trout? God I hope so! Here to the tough ones, the one that teach us something! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I haven’t had the opportunity to travel extensively to fish destinations far removed from my native central New York, however I have had good success with these patterns as far south as the Savage and Gunpowder rivers in Maryland. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the subject.  Furthermore am I missing out on any interesting local patterns from other areas of the country. Any info and/or recipes appreciated. Thanks in advance and good fishing C. Segina

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I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I haven’t had the opportunity to travel extensively to fish destinations far removed from my native central New York, however I have had good success with these patterns as far south as the Savage and Gunpowder rivers in Maryland. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the subject.  Furthermore am I missing out on any interesting local patterns from other areas of the country. Any info and/or recipes appreciated. Thanks in advance and good fishing C. Segina

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I was wondering why some fly patterns seem to only have a following in specific areas of the country.  Obviously some patterns imitate forage specific to certain geographic areas, however some patterns seemingly utilized almost exclusively in the Northeast (VT, NE, Northern NY) seem impressionistic enough to work nearly anywhere.  For example the Picket Pin and ‘88′ streamer.  I

Quite possibly every new pattern that aims at exact imitation starts as a "regional" pattern, so far as what it imitates lives in some places and not others.  E.g. cress bugs were invented by Pennsylvania tyers for Pennsylvania streams, even though you can find crustacea everywhere that look like them. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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 I didn’t know that estrogin was a prerequiste for affirming my masculinity. It’s "estrogen". CM

Hey Ho CM:   DAMN !!! I *hate* it when I do that <VBG.  BTW, does *anyone* on this newsgroup have anything even *remotely* similar to a sense of humor.   Stevie.Pee

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 I didn’t know that estrogin was a prerequiste for affirming my masculinity.  

It’s "estrogen". CM

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I didn’t know that estrogin was a prerequiste for affirming my masculinity. It’s "estrogen". CM Hey Ho CM:   DAMN !!! I *hate* it when I do that <VBG.  BTW, does *anyone* on this newsgroup have anything even *remotely* similar to a sense of humor. Stevie.Pee

It sure doesn’t seem so Steve! Maybe the ice hasn’t melted all the way where they live?? Keep it wet… — Tight lines and sharp hooks, Capt. Mark Poirier

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The argument runs that women are physically incapable of casting the distances, fighting the fights, and wading the rivers that men do. In a nutshell, supposedly women, because they’re women,  can’t catch the same fish as men.

Howdy, I don’t think men have any advantage physically over women when it comes to fishing. There are not as many women fishing as men, but I know some gals that will out fish half of my male customers. I think it is skill, experience and desire that will separate anglers. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Maybe if you had something funny to say we would have a sense of humor. L&R

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Steve,   DAMN !!! I *hate* it when I do that <VBG.  BTW, does *anyone* on   this newsgroup have anything even *remotely* similar to a sense of   humor. I’ve been here for a while and it is a rare event.  For a while there, I thought I detected a trend.  A sense of humor was reserved for every third Tuesday of the month if the month had a "z" in it.  However, in second thought, I decided it was a false alarm and there was no trend. Richard  - Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Eval:27Jan96

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Bill,   I don’t think men have any advantage physically over women when it   comes to fishing. There are not as many women fishing as men, but I   know some gals that will out fish half of my male customers. I think   it is skill, experience and desire that will separate anglers. I fish with a female and I out-fish her everytime out.  It’s my boat and she fishes from the back seat . Richard  - Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Eval:27Jan96

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Since when did fishing become a REAL sport anyway.You either sit on your fat ass in a boat or you casually walk a stream,drinking beer,stopping to rest or shit whenever you please.No time requirement, no 300lb linebackers hitting you at 25 mph,no  100mph hockey pucks flying at you.Dont get me wrong I love fishin as much as anyone (and so does my wife),but its no sport,its a relaxing hobby. Good fishin to all!!

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i love to fish with women.  they bring better snacks than beef jerkey and corn nuts.  and when the bass ain’t biting…. fishpro 17

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  Since when did fishing become a REAL sport anyway.  You either sit on   your fat ass in a boat or you casually walk a stream, drinking   beer, stopping to rest or shit whenever you please.  No time   requirement, no 300lb linebackers hitting you at 25 mph, no 100mph   hockey pucks flying at you.  Don’t get me wrong I love fishin as much as   anyone (and so does my wife), but its no sport, it’s a relaxing hobby. So, how long were you in the coma? Richard  - Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Eval:27Jan96

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L,   I think Bass’n Gals is a wonderful group. If men can have fishing   clubs why can’t women?  We have this club so we can all go fishing and   have fun.  Not to compete against men.  Or to say, "Women are better   fisherman than men". If you’re getting something out of it, have at it.  Don’t get suckered into trying to explain your point of view to people who can’t understand what you’re saying. Richard  - Alice4Mac 2.4.4 E QWK Eval:27Jan96

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You mean to tell me that we’ve sunken so low in self esteem that we’ve decited that "casting a rod all day" is hard work?  That women can’t fight a 23lb bass?  Maybe some anorexic, chainsmoking 80lb woman couldn’t do it, but any healthy person can fish all day and not form any new muscle tissue.  Give me a break.  So we can cast 5′ further, or maybe 10 becuase we have bigger torsos, so what… if the woman has spent as much time fishing as the man, I’m sure she can eaily keep up and quite possibly exceed a male counterpart.  I think you’re comparing a non-fishing woman to a fishing man.  Which is like saying, "The average Klingon warrior is 5x stronger than the average human." Apples and oranges, Kilingon Warriors to Human Warriors… now there’s a comparison.  I’d be willing to bet that any of the women fishing on the B.A.S.S. trail could outfish most of this newsgroup with broken thumbs.  :’)

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Don’t hold back Tank, tell us what you think. Be careful about your anti-pest tactics. They sound like a PETA commercial on the bad manners of anglers. Good fishing, Matthew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You mean to tell me that we’ve sunken so low in self esteem that we’ve decited that "casting a rod all day" is hard work?  That women can’t fight a 23lb bass?  Maybe some anorexic, chainsmoking 80lb woman couldn’t do it, but any healthy person can fish all day and not form any new muscle tissue.  Give me a break.  So we can cast 5′ further, or maybe 10 becuase we have bigger torsos, so what… if the woman has spent as much time fishing as the man, I’m sure she can eaily keep up and quite possibly exceed a male counterpart.  I think you’re comparing a non-fishing woman to a fishing man.  Which is like saying, "The average Klingon warrior is 5x stronger than the average human." Apples and oranges, Kilingon Warriors to Human Warriors… now there’s a comparison.  I’d be willing to bet that any of the women fishing on the B.A.S.S. trail could outfish most of this newsgroup with broken thumbs.  :’)

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The argument runs that women are physically incapable of casting the distances, fighting the fights, and wading the rivers that men do. In a nutshell, supposedly women, because they’re women,  can’t catch the same fish as men.

Ever notice that REAL MEN do not find it neccessary to subordinate Women? I guess maybe the’re so secure in their masculinity it’s not important to them. On the other hand, the real WIMPS have to make sure that Women don’t threaten them in any way. Especially in a traditionaly male sport like Fishing. Hmmmm! I didn’t know that Testosterone was a prerequisite for fishing.

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The argument runs that women are physically incapable of casting the distances, fighting the fights, and wading the rivers that men do. In a nutshell, supposedly women, because they’re women,  can’t catch the same fish as men. Ever notice that REAL MEN do not find it neccessary to subordinate Women? I guess maybe the’re so secure in their masculinity it’s not important to them. On the other hand, the real WIMPS have to make sure that Women don’t threaten them in any way. Especially in a traditionaly male sport like Fishing. Hmmmm! I didn’t know that Testosterone was a prerequisite for fishing.

I think you are taking this out of context as I recall the original author was saying that there should not be a separate division for woman because he also disagreed with this notion. Obviously someone is interested in two divisions probably more for the promotional benefit than actual merits.

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The argument runs that women are physically incapable of casting the distances, fighting the fights, and wading the rivers that men do. In a nutshell, supposedly women, because they’re women,  can’t catch the same fish as men. Ever notice that REAL MEN do not find it neccessary to subordinate Women? I guess maybe the’re so secure in their masculinity it’s not important to them. On the other hand, the real WIMPS have to make sure that Women don’t threaten them in any way. Especially in a traditionaly male sport like Fishing. Hmmmm! I didn’t know that Testosterone was a prerequisite for fishing.

Hey Ho:   To answer your question…No I didn’t.  Did you ever notice that REAL WOMEN don’t worry about the "wimps".  Hmmmm!  I didn’t know that estrogin was a prerequiste for affirming my masculinity.  Here’s your sign. Stevie.Pee P.S. "Woman" is *not* a proper noun and thus should not be capitalized.

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it sounds like a bunch of whimps and several women need to get a life they can enjoy without telling everybody how great they think they are just because they are either female stupid or maybe both. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The argument runs that women are physically incapable of casting the distances, fighting the fights, and wading the rivers that men do. In a nutshell, supposedly women, because they’re women,  can’t catch the same fish as men. Ever notice that REAL MEN do not find it neccessary to subordinate Women? I guess maybe the’re so secure in their masculinity it’s not important to them. On the other hand, the real WIMPS have to make sure that Women don’t threaten them in any way. Especially in a traditionaly male sport like Fishing. Hmmmm! I didn’t know that Testosterone was a prerequisite for fishing. Hey Ho:   To answer your question…No I didn’t.  Did you ever notice that REAL WOMEN don’t worry about the "wimps".  Hmmmm!  I didn’t know that estrogin was a prerequiste for affirming my masculinity.  Here’s your sign. Stevie.Pee P.S. "Woman" is *not* a proper noun and thus should not be capitalized.

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3M makes a fly line dressing that brings out the natural lubricants in the line itself and puts more on it.  Great Great Great STuff

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writes: Has anybody tried "lard" (yes, I mean pure porky lard for cooking) or any other greasy-oily domestic product?

     In the Bad Old Days of silk lines, commercial line dressings contained lanolin (i.e., mutton fat), but what good lard would do on a vinyl-covered line, I don’t know.  Silicones act like oils but are much less sensitive to changes in temperature (and do not become rancid!)      Wash your line in warm water and mild soap, rinse, then wipe dry with a soft cloth.  You will be surprised how much better a clean line floats and shoots than a dirty one.  – Roger

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anybody know of any domestic product we could use to apply on fly lines instead of these expensive silicone products a careful fisherman must buy many times a year in order to protect his line? Has anybody tried "lard" (yes, I mean pure porky lard for cooking) or any other greasy-oily domestic product? Fly fishing is older than "silicone" I believe, so what would ancient fly fishers use on their lines? …of course we know they didn’t use synthetic lines as we do now, but still! I am asking before I try for I am bored by the commercial aspect of fishing.  And I do go fishing every day. If some of you fly fishers out there would kindly give me informations on this by E-Mail, I would gather the answer and publish them in an article here in the NewsGroup.  It might be helpful for all of us. If I get no answer, well next year I’ll know because I’ll try a few tricks. Thanks for reading me.  If you got any answer you can mail ‘em to me (Jean-Pierre) at E-Mail address:

I think that a can of Mucilin is about as much as a mocha? William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Does anybody know of any domestic product we could use to apply on fly lines instead of these expensive silicone products a careful fisherman must buy many times a year in order to protect his line? Has anybody tried "lard" (yes, I mean pure porky lard for cooking) or any other greasy-oily domestic product? Fly fishing is older than "silicone" I believe, so what would ancient fly fishers use on their lines? …of course we know they didn’t use synthetic lines as we do now, but still! I am asking before I try for I am bored by the commercial aspect of fishing.  And I do go fishing every day. If some of you fly fishers out there would kindly give me informations on this by E-Mail, I would gather the answer and publish them in an article here in the NewsGroup.  It might be helpful for all of us. If I get no answer, well next year I’ll know because I’ll try a few tricks. Thanks for reading me.  If you got any answer you can mail ‘em to me (Jean-Pierre) at E-Mail address:

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:      I have been looking for some time for a book describing fly tieing :   materials. More specifically, a book that addresses questions like: :   Which fur on an elk is best suited for tieing dry flies like the caddis? :   Is fur from other parts of the animal better for other patterns. :      Alex I’ve never seen THE book you’re looking for.  But, Herters put out a book in the 1930’s that had a diagram of a duck and what feathers were used for what fly parts.  That’s as close as I can get you.  Anyone else want to take a shot? Charley

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     I have been looking for some time for a book describing fly tieing   materials. More specifically, a book that addresses questions like:   Which fur on an elk is best suited for tieing dry flies like the caddis?   Is fur from other parts of the animal better for other patterns.   Other useful information might be answers to questions concerning where   or how these materials are usually obtained; for example:   When I buy a calf tail, did that tail, most likely, come from a veal   ranch? If not where? Is there some type of cattle ranching that involves   the systematic "docking" of calf tails?   Or, try this one, I raise ornamental pheasants. I have had many   fly tiers request golden pheasants that were 3 to 6 years old. When I   ask why, the usual answer is, "cause they’re brighter". This couldn’t   be more wrong. Here’s why.   Say a golden pheasant is hatched in May of year N. That bird will initially   feather out in a pattern of browns and blacks, similar to the adult hen.   We are now in about September of year N. The bird does not molt in year N.   Over the remainder of year N, the bird gradually starts changing color to   match the adult male. By May of year N + 1, the bird has blotches of color   covering much of its body, but still has many of the juvenile feathers.   Towards the end of summer, early fall, of year N + 1, the bird molts and   emerges from the molt in October or November, in dazzling color. The bird   is now about 1 and 1/2 years old. Trust me, this is the brightest this   bird will EVER be and will never exit a molt this bright again. So, if   there is an advantage to an older bird it certainly isn’t brighter colors.   If there is an advantage, what is it.   As far as birds go, this has been my observation for most species. That   is, the first molt into total adult hood is the best for color. By the   way, the age at which this happens varies from one species to the next.   For example, a Himalayan Monol (Impeyan), reaches adulthood at 2 and 1/2   years. The only exception I know to this, is the peacock. I don’t seem to   see much loss in color due to age and the feathers seem to get bigger and   nicer for the first 4 to 5 years at least.   Anyway if such a book exists, I would be interested in hearing about it.   Thanks for your time,      Alex —             Alex Dorchak     Voice : (206) 356-6443     USMAIL: John Fluke Mfg. Co. / P.O. Box 9090 / Everett WA  98206-9090

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:      I have been looking for some time for a book describing fly tieing :   materials. More specifically, a book that addresses questions like:

Eric Leiser, Fly Tying Materials (Crown, 1973) and several more. —  |          Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Rd., Carlsbad         |  |        Springs, Ont., Canada K0A 1K0; tel: (613) 822-0734       |  |  "What I’ve always liked about science is its independence from |  |  authority"–Ontario Science Centre (name on file) 10 July 1981 |

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :      I have been looking for some time for a book describing fly tieing :   materials. More specifically, a book that addresses questions like: :   Which fur on an elk is best suited for tieing dry flies like the caddis? :   Is fur from other parts of the animal better for other patterns. :      Alex I’ve never seen THE book you’re looking for.  But, Herters put out a book in the 1930’s that had a diagram of a duck and what feathers were used for what fly parts.  That’s as close as I can get you.  Anyone else want to take a shot? Charley

Eric Leisure put out a book called "Fly Tying Materials" that covered a heck of a lot about lots of different materials used for tying flies. Seems to me to be the definitive work on the subject. You might see if you can locate/borrow a copy to see if he covers the particular nuances you’re interested in (I read it *many* years ago but can’t remember such details)… /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <         "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)"         < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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    I have been looking for some time for a book describing fly tieing  materials. More specifically, a book that addresses questions like:  Which fur on an elk is best suited for tieing dry flies like the caddis?  Is fur from other parts of the animal better for other patterns.

I can’t remember the reference but I recall reading an article out of one of the flyfishing magazines that cover different kinds of hair (I don’t think an elk really has "fur").  Amoung other things it described a number of differents kinds of hair (deer, elk, moose, bear, etc) and the boyuancy qualities and even went into the best time of year to take hair from an animal (when it needs a haircut?) and a number of other interesting bits of information.  I’ll see if I can dig the article out somewhere. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems  Ithaca, NY

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    I have been looking for some time for a book describing fly tieing  materials. More specifically, a book that addresses questions like:  Which fur on an elk is best suited for tieing dry flies like the caddis?  Is fur from other parts of the animal better for other patterns.

There is a comprehensive book on the subject by Eric Leiser: Fly Tying Materials. There are others but this is the only one I can remember right off the top. Todd L. McCagg – Mfr Rep of Musical Esoteria Modulus-Spector-SWR-Hughes & Kettner-Premier Fernandes-EMG-CB Labs Pocket Rock-It (husband-father-bassist-flyfisher-flytyer-homebrewer)

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rare & unusual materials: a natural history written by paul schmookler & ingrid v. sils order from the complete sportsman p.o. box 104, millis MA 02054

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ANYONE IN THIS NEWSGROUP INTERESTED IN A SE MASS S/W FLY FISH COAST E MAIL ME DIRECT REGARDS MATT

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I’m interested.

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Every lake and water system down there has fish in it.  It dont take a genius to catch them.  Catch a grasshopper in the grass and throw it out into the water and watch the fish take it under.  If nothing hits it, move on.

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I am going to be in Lafayette, LA  april 13-16 and would like to try flyfishing for bluegil (brim).  I am a rank amateur. Anybody have any suggestions on where I should try? thanks Mike in MI

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I have only recently picked up the art of Flyfishing and I have not gone fishing before the drought. Because of all the rain this year I am wondering if there will be areas that will be closed or just unfishable due to the excess of water. I live in the bay area, and Hat creek is about six hours from my house. If anyone has any sugestions about where I can go, within that same range, please respond. E-mail me or respond in this newsgroup.

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I have only recently picked up the art of Flyfishing and I have not gone fishing before the drought. Because of all the rain this year I am wondering if there will be areas that will be closed or just unfishable due to the excess of water. I live in the bay area, and Hat creek is about six hours from my house. If anyone has any sugestions about where I can go, within that same range, please respond. E-mail me or respond in this newsgroup.

Hi Tim:  Try Lewiston Lake on the Trinity River during the spring.  It is about the same distance as Hat Creek.  Lewiston has lots of hatches, good access, and good flyfishing.  Its pretty well known, much like Hat Creek but there is always alot of room to fish.  Float tubes, prams, and canoes are great but there is good shore access too.  Get information and flies at the Fly Shop in Redding.  By the way, two years ago when we had a big winter, I can’t remember any problems with high water.  Streams that are regulated below reservoirs usually run pretty clear when other places are brown. Best of luck.

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I tried Lewiston last Spring-May and was rather diasappoiunted. Only a few small planters. Was last year a bad year, flow through Lewiston was really up and maybe this had something to do with it?

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I have only recently picked up the art of Flyfishing and I have not gone fishing before the drought. Because of all the rain this year I am wondering if there will be areas that will be closed or just unfishable due to the excess of water. I live in the bay area, and Hat creek is about six hours from my house. If anyone has any sugestions about where I can go, within that same range, please respond. E-mail me or respond in this newsgroup.

Right now, no. Later in mid July to late August, The Kings River and Kaweah River are pretty good. Both have lots of trout, but most are in the 10 inch range. There are also lots of 24 inchers but you really have to know where to go and how to fish them. Most people around here don’t. Both Rivers are about 2 hours south east of Fresno. The lower Kings opens up early in the year, and is only 20 minutes from Fresno, but I’m not real familure with that part of the river. Dave

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have only recently picked up the art of Flyfishing and I have not gone fishing before the drought. Because of all the rain this year I am wondering if there will be areas that will be closed or just unfishable due to the excess of water. I live in the bay area, and Hat creek is about six hours from my house. If anyone has any sugestions about where I can go, within that same range, please respond. E-mail me or respond in this newsgroup. Right now, no. Later in mid July to late August, The Kings River and Kaweah River are pretty good. Both have lots of trout, but most are in the 10 inch range. There are also lots of 24 inchers but you really have to know where to go and how to fish them. Most people around here don’t.

I’ve fished the South Fork of the Kaweah River quite a few times above Ladybug Camp but have never fished any of the other rivers in the area. Any suggestions? — John Fereira "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA "i’m new to the internet and don’t know what i am doing."            – anonymous

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To All: I have an oppoutunity to go fly fishinh in Venezuela this coming spring. Would appreciate any information. I can’t seem to find anyone who has ever been there fishing.

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Mason) writes: I have an oppoutunity to go fly fishinh in Venezuela this coming spring. Would appreciate any information. I can’t seem to find anyone who has ever been there fishing.

Where are you going in Venezuela?  There’s everything from big-game saltwater to the Amazon basin to trout, but you must have some sort of destination in mind. If you’ll post your intentions I’ll try to give you some specific answers.  I’ve fished all over Venezuela (even met my wife in the jungle there). Marshall Cutchin

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