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Double dittos on Eureka.  It’s not the brand it used to be, however: my 25 year old Timberline is still going strong even after putting some serious holes in the floor over the years (*don’t* bring a tackle box full of pike lures into the tent…).  My wife bought me a Eureka Sunrise 9 about 10 years ago, and even though I bitched at the time that it didn’t have a full fly, it has worked very well – it has survived 5 years of cub scout camping trips, and a bunch of fishing trips with friends and the family and it has never leaked in the rain.  And I’ve been through some serious weather including many tornado warning storms (we had to evacuate a campground with 400 cub scouts one weekend – tents were floating away and I never got a drop of water inside except from peoples’ clothes).  I really like the big windows – here in Massachusetts it’s often muggy and the ventilation is really important.  We used a Eureka Backcountry (essentially an updated Timberline) on a trip into the Boundary Waters last fall and had 8 nights of thunderstorms and high winds without ever a leak.  If I were going into serious outback carrying all my gear, I would look at a more extreme design with better coverage, but for car and canoe camping I’ve been very happy with my Eurekas. –Stan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – or recommendations of other tents, I’m interested in hearing about them. I like the Eureka! Timberline models for car camping. Ditto a testimonial for Eureka.   I’ve been very happy with the quality of everything I have from them. Joe F.

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Double dittos on Eureka.  

These votes of confidence in Eureka are heartening. I want a tent that’s very roomy and that I can easily stand up in. That’s why I like the Eureka Headquarters (6′11"). One Timberline model would work — the Timberline Outfitter 6. I’m not that worried about the fly. This will be a strictly car-camping tent, and if I get into really serious weather I can just get into my truck. I’d rather have a tent that’s very open for the 95% of the time that I’m camping in good, summer, Western weather. The Headquarters looks good for that. It has BIG windows. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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That’s a nice tent, but there’s a couple of problems. First of all, it’s about twice as expensive as the Eureka model. … An essential element of its snob appeal, donchaknow. — Ken Fortenberry

______ Question? When you and Wolfgangbanger crawl in the same high quality sleeping bag,  who wears the perfume? ; ) — MrG/American Sportsman (never sleep with your fly rod in a sleeping bag) http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

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Didn’t you just tell me in an earlier post that you were above such shit as the post below? What’s up?  Is your mind failing you? Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s a nice tent, but there’s a couple of problems. First of all, it’s about twice as expensive as the Eureka model. … An essential element of its snob appeal, donchaknow. — Ken Fortenberry ______ Question? When you and Wolfgangbanger crawl in the same high quality sleeping bag,  who wears the perfume? ; ) — MrG/American Sportsman (never sleep with your fly rod in a sleeping bag) http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

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An essential element of its snob appeal, donchaknow.

Get a Moss Big Dipper then. If I was going to go nomadic, that’d be my choice. Otherwise I’d stick with Eureka! Timberline even though Wolfgang can’t seem to pitch them properly<g. — Charlie…

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or recommendations of other tents, I’m interested in hearing about them. I like the Eureka! Timberline models for car camping.

Ditto a testimonial for Eureka.   I’ve been very happy with the quality of everything I have from them. Joe F.

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Ditto a testimonial for Eureka.   I’ve been very happy with the quality of everything I have from them. Joe F.

I like Eureka too.  I have a Timberline 2-man tent and a Wind River 6-man dome and both have survived some hairy winds and rainstorms. The Timberline has never collapsed on me like a previous poster mentioned, and frankly I can’t see how it could.  I wonder if maybe he’s thinking of a different tent.  The nice thing about the Timberline is that one person can set it up single-handed in about 5 minutes, but the Wind River takes about 15-20 minutes and at least two people. As long as you are car-camping and weight isn’t a consideration, I recommend you get the biggest tent you can afford.  When you end up spending a whole day inside your tent waiting out a rain, those extra few cubic feet of space will seem worth every penny. Kevin

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Gotta agree with the Milwaukee rat slasher on this one.

        hilarious.  only on roff would such a name be considered an appellation for a friend.  :)         wayno, aka "delerium tremens"

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Eureka Timberline – the big one Ed Fox – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m shopping for a tent for car camping. I’m considering either Cabelas Truck Tent or the Alaknak tent (also from Cabelas). If anyone has experience with or opinions about these tents, or recommendations of other tents, I’m interested in hearing about them. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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For comparison, take a look at The North Face Bedrock http://content.thenorthface.com/index_products.html

That’s a nice tent, but there’s a couple of problems. First of all, it’s about twice as expensive as the Eureka model. That’s no big deal, but it’s also not sold over the web, and there’s no retailer anywhere nearby. (Ironically, there’s a big North Face store about five minutes from my house in California.) I suppose I could call a retailer and have them ship it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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That’s a nice tent, but there’s a couple of problems. First of all, it’s about twice as expensive as the Eureka model. …

An essential element of its snob appeal, donchaknow. — Ken Fortenberry

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Eureka Timberline – the big one

My best friend and frequent backpacking companion bought his first timberline in the late 70s, if memory serves.  I have spent MANY nights in it and its successors.  The best thing about this tent was that it was Jay’s, and thus he carried it.  Next best was the roominess. However, the timberline with its relatively high profile and meager support system was prone to collapsing in the middle of dark stormy nights.  The natural and completely understandable tendency of the human brain to suppress horrible memories makes it impossible for me to remember with any precision how many times this happened, but it was a bunch. Wolfgang caveat tentor

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For comparison, take a look at The North Face Bedrock http://content.thenorthface.com/index_products.html That’s a nice tent, but there’s a couple of problems. First of all, it’s about twice as expensive as the Eureka model. That’s no big deal, but it’s also not sold over the web, and there’s no retailer anywhere nearby. (Ironically, there’s a big North Face store about five minutes from my house in California.) I suppose I could call a retailer and have them ship it.

I suspect it IS sold on the web rw.  Just have to find the right retailer.  Start with Cabela’s or look at gorp.com for retailers

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That’s a nice rig, Asadi, but I’ll be pulling a horse trailer, at least some of the time, so I need something that I can put in the back of my truck. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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 Could you put a tracer on that Fly Rod Ken? – MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

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I’m shopping for a tent for car camping. I’m considering either Cabelas Truck Tent or the Alaknak tent (also from Cabelas). If anyone has experience with or opinions about these tents, or recommendations of other tents, I’m interested in hearing about them.

Seems like everybody in the world with a sewing machine is in the tent business these days.  Becky and I were shopping early this year in preparation for our Never Summer Wilderness trip later this month, and we looked at hundreds.  Over the course of a thirty year backpacking career I used many different tents and the vast majority of them, as well as most that we looked at this year, are crap.  The governing philosophy seems to be that unless you are a serious mountaineer you will be satisfied with something that will almost certainly leave you wet and miserable.  I don’t know if you remember seeing it at the NC clave, but the Mountain Hardwear tent we ended up buying is excellent. But the brand is not nearly as important as the features of the individual tent.  I would advise you to go for the oxymoron, the REALLY BIG backpacking or mountaineering tent.  Wherever you shop, talk to the people who have done some serious expedition work and then find the biggest thing you can that resembles what they use.  One thing you should never ever compromise on; be absolutely sure that the rain fly covers the entire tent!!  A fly which leaves even a small portion of the bottom uncovered is thoroughly useless, and a tent with a useless rain fly is a ticket for the express to hell. Wolfgang hypothermia and sleep deprivation are about 40 megahoovers each

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Right now I’m leaning toward the Eureka! Headquarters.         http://www.vtarmynavy.com/eureka_luxury_family_tents.htm — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Right now I’m leaning toward the Eureka! Headquarters.         http://www.vtarmynavy.com/eureka_luxury_family_tents.htm

None of the models shown on that page has a fly that completely covers the tent.  You WILL be sorry.

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Right now I’m leaning toward the Eureka! Headquarters.         http://www.vtarmynavy.com/eureka_luxury_family_tents.htm None of the models shown on that page has a fly that completely covers the tent.  You WILL be sorry.

Gotta agree with the Milwaukee rat slasher on this one. Don’t know how much attention you paid at the time but both of the tents Wolfie & I had set up on the Watauga had full coverage flies. When a thuderstorm dumps an inch of water on you in less than an hour, some of it arriving horizontally, you will appreciate having a full coverage fly. For comparison, take a look at The North Face Bedrock http://content.thenorthface.com/index_products.html — Ken Fortenberry

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I’m shopping for a tent for car camping. I’m considering either Cabelas Truck Tent or the Alaknak tent (also from Cabelas). If anyone has experience with or opinions about these tents, or recommendations of other tents, I’m interested in hearing about them. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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or recommendations of other tents, I’m interested in hearing about them.

I like the Eureka! Timberline models for car camping. — Charlie…

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I’m shopping for a tent for car camping. …

We’ve been real happy with The North Face. — Ken Fortenberry

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rw,    I made a nice rig for my Datsun pick up for camping.  It slept two people, had a table, stove, sink, water, cabinet and storage areas. It was really great for fishing trips.  Mounted my Honda Trail 110 on the back and an inflatable raft on the top.  I went all over the Sierras with it. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m shopping for a tent for car camping. I’m considering either Cabelas Truck Tent or the Alaknak tent (also from Cabelas). If anyone has experience with or opinions about these tents, or recommendations of other tents, I’m interested in hearing about them.

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I pulled it with a four cylinder Pinto all over creation.  Seriously.  I could maneuver the little unit by myself and it contained all of the basic necessities….(pepper mill replaced….but I think the little lady bought to delicate of a set at the garage sale). Containing all of the necessary things and requiring nothing more than ‘folding up or unfolding’ it made, in essense, car camping much morer convenient. ‘Course, they don’t make my type….a "Cox’ anymore….they were made in Grifton, NC. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m shopping for a tent for car camping. I’m considering either Cabelas Truck Tent or the Alaknak tent (also from Cabelas). If anyone has experience with or opinions about these tents, or recommendations of other tents, I’m interested in hearing about them. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Hi, The subject of this thread is not just about wildlife – I’ve been entangled both in the river (the Waitahanui River, Taupo, NZ) and on the river bank, tripping and nearly breaking my rod let alone my head – though no doubt there are some who would classify me as "wildlife" too – an ex-wife or two et alia. Regards John — J. W. RICH 144 Gillies Ave, Epsom, Auckland, New Zealand ph/fax.  64-9-623-2975 website http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/3675/ or      http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~jw.rich     To purchase an E-copy of "Timber Geodesic Domes" by John Rich go to:         http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~jw.rich/promo.htm Some more pics of my domes are displayed at the following URL.         http://domegroup.org/domehomepics.html#johnrich

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By the way is their any reason your name is the same as the BS1776  meaning British Standard 1776 and is the minimum standard that condoms have to attain, or is that just a coincidence ? TL MC

I wish it were so.  This shouting ninny was one load that needed to be tarped! WF

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To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really.

Shwaggy?!?!  I deny therefore I am?  What kind of logic is that?  I haven’t been to the moon therefore I am an astronaut? Warren People for the Eating of Tasty Animals

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"To fish is human, to eat the fish the only justifiable reason for the act". I assume you only have sex with your wife when she is ovulating. — Charlie…

Maybe if he had sex more often, he wouldn’t be woried about eating every slimy thing he catches. Chris Fleitman Running for cover.

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

The above statement, even if it’s true, in no way supports your subject line, "DISCARDED FISHING LINE LEADING CAUSE OF WILDLIFE DEATH". You need a lesson in logic, but I doubt you’d get anything from it. bock Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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: To fish is human…to release divine. [deleted] I guess if you repeat it enough times it becomes truth?

Hold on Jon…I’m getting it now and WHart *is* right…. To fish is human… OK But: to release is an err… But: to err is human… But: Human was created in the [divine] image of God… Means: to err is divine… Therefore: to release is divine. But he could have just saved time by: To C&R fish is Human, to forgive divine. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Maybe if he had sex more often, he wouldn’t be woried about eating every slimy thing he catches.

What do you mean ? I get fucked here every day and I still like to eat fish. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Maybe if he had sex more often, he wouldn’t be woried about eating every slimy thing he catches. What do you mean ? I get fucked here every day and I still like to eat fish.

You slay me, Tim ;^) It’s clear that whatever had crawled up your ass a couple of months ago crawled out and left behind your latent sense of humour. Good show! /daytripper

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[major snippage] Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ? again, because it was posted on usenet, it must be true?  if it is, we should work on reducing our losses of lead sinkers, etc.  but just saying some scientist (who may not exist) says lead is killing lots of loons is imo suspect.  i certainly hope it’s not true, because unlike some posters i actually enjoy watching birds while i’m fishing… and loons are some of my favorites (puffins top the list though).

As I recall (this was discussed in this group roughly a year ago) the NH Fish and Wildlife folks recovered something like 16 dead loon carcasses over some period of time, and (again from memory) around two thirds of them were found to have perished from lead poisoning. The small lead sinkers used in fresh water fishing apparently fall in the size range of small stones that the loons swallow to facilitate digestion. Presumably, some degree of extrapolation of the sample size led these folks to their conclusion as applied to the entire population, and thus the small lead sinkers are to be banned. Seems reasonable to me, as non-toxic alternatives already exist at fair prices… A friend and I were fishing a favorite NH pond a few years ago and we watched Ma and Pa loon teaching their three kids how to fly. It was hilarious seeing the little fellows taking turns frantically scurrying along the water for fifty yards at a time trying to get airborne… /daytripper

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about hisself! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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According to a study published in a recent issue of Scientific American, the leading cause of wildlife entanglement (not to be confused with INTENTIONAL entrapment) is indeed discarded fishing line….over and above that of discarded six-pack holders. Additionally, the leading cause of oil pollution is the improper disposal – by RESIDENTIAL users – of motor oil….i.e. your car and lawnmower.  Whereas outboard motor oil is partially combusted and inboards have a closed oil system. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but no one has a right to be

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bULLsHIT1776 YELLS again: <<THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC. Hmmmmm.  I have never seen or heard of a fly fisherman discarding fishing line.  Doesn’t happen, lady.  Perhaps you’ve cross posted this crap to the wrong group?   Dave LaCourse

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

Bullshit. The leading cause of wildlife entanglement are the nets specifically made for this very purpose. You are shouting again.  By the way is their any reason your name is the same as the BS1776  meaning British Standard 1776 and is the minimum standard that condoms have to attain, or is that just a coincidence ? TL MC

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Dear BS1766 Next time you are in the vicinity of a Flyfisherman, please ask the aforementioned Flyfisherman to strangle you with any about-to-be discarded line.

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According to a study published in a recent issue of Scientific American, the leading cause of wildlife entanglement (not to be confused with INTENTIONAL entrapment) is indeed discarded fishing line….over and above that of discarded six-pack holders.

Not to be unnecessarily dense (especially since I haven’t read the article), but that sounds sort of intuitive.   Who is really surprised that the leading cause of entanglement is stuff you can get tangled in?   Besides fishing line, what were some of the other discarded materials in question? Were there any indications as to different sources of the discarded line (e.g. recreational worm dunkers vs. commercial long liners)? I have to say that the rivers, lakes, etc. where I’ve fished are remarkable devoid of discarded line from recreational fishermen.   Two exceptions are the Susquehanna (MD. portion) and the Salmon River (NY).   The great number of bait fishermen on the Susquehanna unfortunately include some of the worst environmentally-insensitive pigs to ever wet a hook.   I think their attitude is "if it sinks out of sight, it ain’t litterin’."   In some heavily fished holes on the Salmon, it sometimes seems as though the river bottom is 50% monofilament. Joe F.

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You are shouting again.  By the way is their any reason your name is the same as the BS1776  meaning British Standard 1776 and is the minimum standard that condoms have to attain, or is that just a coincidence ?

Which reminds me of something I saw on a condom machine in the gents toilet of an English pub a long time ago. In large red letters on the front of the machine it said " Made to British Standard 1776"  below this some wag had written in large black letters with a marker pen, "So was the Titanic". TL MC

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B.S. wrote a bunch of b.s. Listen folks I know I abused my hearing with 30 years of shooting magnum pistols, but you don’t have to YELL! Big Dale

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[deleted] Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about hisself!

You guys are being ignorant buttholes, IMNSFHO. To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really. Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ? To fish is human….To release Divine!

"To fish is human, to eat the fish the only justifiable reason for the act". Your pal and fellow ignorant butthole, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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0] : THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE : WORLD IS : DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE : CONSERVATION IN : WASHINGTON DC. : : Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work : whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate : abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe : soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s : pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of : virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about : hisself! : — : Wayne : To fish is human….To release Divine! FWIW I found and have in my collection a western oriole nest made entirely of discarded monofilament. I found this near the E. Walker river near Bridgeport, California. It showed every sign of having been used successfully. This is not at all to say I endorse discarding the stuff. I remove it when I find it, including that nest. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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Remove your head from your arse tbone, you’ll have better fishing that way Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You guys are being ignorant buttholes, IMNSFHO. To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really. Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ? To fish is human….To release Divine! "To fish is human, to eat the fish the only justifiable reason for the act". Your pal and fellow ignorant butthole, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Remove your head from your arse tbone, you’ll have better fishing that way

May be…but at least it’s a short cast. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Must be a full moon.  This PETA freak comes out of the wood work whenever the dung beetles are hatching.  BS is an appropriate abbreviation for this screwball.  I wonder if he wears leather shoe soles, petroleum derived synthetics which contributes to the world’s pollution, or natural rubber from plantations carved from the heart of virgin rain forests.  As long as he gets his and feels good about hisself! You guys are being ignorant buttholes, IMNSFHO. To deny that we break off leaders on rocks and on fish is pretty stupid and leaves me to question who the PETA members are, really.

nobody’s saying we don’t lose gear, but i for one question this posters credibility and if what he says is in fact based on truth. the problem with the original post was the broad stroke.  fishing line can mean a lot of things, little clips of tippet, balls of tangled mono, mile long lost drift nets, lost gillnets, and other commercial gear lost that continues fishing and killing for a long time.  i do not condone people littering, but including sportfishermen with lost commercial gear is misleading and does not really present the whole truth.  yes, fishing line does entangle fish… but i’d like more info.  what percentage of the total is lost commercial fishing nets?  what percentage is based on sportfishing litter?  plus, i don’t believe everything i read on the internet.  anybody with any agenda can say anything.  to me, his original statement very well might be a large pile of bs. Will you deny the lead accusation too OJ ?

again, because it was posted on usenet, it must be true?  if it is, we should work on reducing our losses of lead sinkers, etc.  but just saying some scientist (who may not exist) says lead is killing lots of loons is imo suspect.  i certainly hope it’s not true, because unlike some posters i actually enjoy watching birds while i’m fishing… and loons are some of my favorites (puffins top the list though). now, give me lots of dna evidence, blood stains, etc… and i’ll reconsider <G. chris Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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THE LEADING CAUSE OF LIFE THREATENING WILDLIFE ENTANGLEMENT IN THE WORLD IS DISCARDED FISHING LINE ACCORDING TO THE CENTER FOR MARINE CONSERVATION IN WASHINGTON DC.

Besides being misleading and irrelevant… this statement is probably totally untrue.   Ghost nets (those broken off or otherwise lost by commercial fishermen) are undoubtedly the largest cause of life threatening wildlife entanglement (if fish are counted as wildlife). The number of fish lost to "ghost nets" is staggering, but there is no way to get an exact count because it all happens "invisibly" beneath the surface. Besides, the turkey who posted this nonsense is a mindless spammer. I found it on the rec.outdoor.fishing group also. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Does anyone know some good small streams around portland?

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Yeah, this is a hard question to get an answer to.   I THINK the best tactic is to look southeast of Portland, in the foothills of Mt Hood, but the locals don’t weant to talk much.  E-mail one of the flyshops up there and see what they say.  All else fails, try the streams around Breitenbush. — Ken Brown Satis elequontiae, sapientiae parum.

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Hi Scott I’ve been to Puerto Escondido in Baja – where, exactly, is the one to which you refer ? Dave

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Hi Scott I’ve been to Puerto Escondido in Baja – where, exactly, is the one to which you refer ? Dave

Actually, I was talking about the Puerto Escondido in Oaxaca, but any info about light tackle flyfishing would help!

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Does anyone have information about fishing in Huatulco/Puerto Escondido, Mexico area? I am planning a trip for mid august, but the only problem is, with less then a month left, I still have no idea what to expect. I will only be able to bring a 7/8 weight, and I will probably fish the bays in Huatulco and Puerto Angel….any other hot spots in the area???? I need to know what kind of fish are availible to me, and of course what flies (specific patterns?) or type of flies (shrimp? baitfish?) and what sizes i should tie them in….also handy would be possibly guide recommendations and leader strengths? Actually, any information at all would be great! I just need all the help I can get! Anyway, if you have any ideas, please either email me OR reply to this message!                                 Thanks in advance,                                 Scott

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have information about fishing in Huatulco/Puerto Escondido, Mexico area? I am planning a trip for mid august, but the only problem is, with less then a month left, I still have no idea what to expect. I will only be able to bring a 7/8 weight, and I will probably fish the bays in Huatulco and Puerto Angel….any other hot spots in the area???? I need to know what kind of fish are availible to me, and of course what flies (specific patterns?) or type of flies (shrimp? baitfish?) and what sizes i should tie them in….also handy would be possibly guide recommendations and leader strengths? Actually, any information at all would be great! I just need all the help I can get! Anyway, if you have any ideas, please either email me OR reply to this message!                                Thanks in advance,                                Scott

You can find some information about fishing in Huatulco and Puerto Angel on my web page.  You can start with http://www.eden.com/~tomzap/hfishing.html Tom Penick             Web page:             Austin, Texas            http://www.eden.com/~tomzap

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Does anyone have information about fishing in Huatulco/Puerto Escondido, Mexico area? I am planning a trip for mid august, but the only problem is, with less then a month left, I still have no idea what to expect. I will only be able to bring a 7/8 weight, and I will probably fish the bays in Huatulco and Puerto Angel….any other hot spots in the area???? I need to know what kind of fish are availible to me, and of course what flies (specific patterns?) or type of flies (shrimp? baitfish?) and what sizes i should tie them in….also handy would be possibly guide recommendations and leader strengths? Actually, any information at all would be great! I just need all the help I can get! Anyway, if you have any ideas, please either email me OR reply to this message!                                             Thanks in advance,                                                       Scott                                  

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Heading up to Mammoth in a couple of days (my wife has to go up there for a meeting, poor me getting dragged along ). I’m going to fish Hot Creek for the first time, but I’ve got lots of additional time to fill. I’m kinda looking for something other than the usual Mammoth Lakes, and I’m looking for any suggestions on a couple of lakes. Specifically, I’m thinking of taking my float tube in to McLeod Lake, which I’ve only read about. Any one fished it recently?  I’ve also read about Sotcher Lake down in the Devils Postpile area, which I’ve heard fishes pretty good in the morning. There’s another lake off the road down there, but I can’t remember the name. Lastly, I’ve got to make at least one trip up to Lee Vining, and thought about fishing Lundy. Has anyone ever floated it. Any pre-trip suggestions would be helpful. I’ll post a report when I get back. Also, there was a guy named Mark Heskett who wrote a little book on fishing the Mammoth area. I corresponded with him a few times on the Internet a couple of years ago, but haven’t seen him turning up here. Does anyone know if he’s still around. Roger

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<<*SNIP*  I’ve also read about Sotcher Lake down in the Devils Postpile area, which I’ve heard fishes pretty good in the morning. There’s another lake off the road down there, but I can’t remember the name.  *SNIP* Hi Roger, If you are planning on driving down by Devil’s Postpile, be sure to drive in before 7 am.  They close the road and run a shuttle after that and you don’t want to try to take your tube on the shuttle.  By the way the shuttle only goes to Devil’s Postpile and no farther. Give The Trout Fly in Mammoth lakes a call at (619) 934-2517 and they can give you somemore info.                                      Good Fishing,                                                Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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0] : Heading up to Mammoth in a couple of days (my wife has to go up there : for a meeting, poor me getting dragged along ). : I’m going to fish Hot Creek for the first time, but I’ve got lots of : additional time to fill. I’m kinda looking for something other than the : usual Mammoth Lakes, and I’m looking for any suggestions on a couple of : lakes. : Specifically, I’m thinking of taking my float tube in to McLeod Lake, : which I’ve only read about. Any one fished it recently?  I’ve also read : about Sotcher Lake down in the Devils Postpile area, which I’ve heard : fishes pretty good in the morning. There’s another lake off the road : down there, but I can’t remember the name. Lastly, I’ve got to make at : least one trip up to Lee Vining, and thought about fishing Lundy. Has : anyone ever floated it. : Any pre-trip suggestions would be helpful. I’ll post a report when I get : back. : Also, there was a guy named Mark Heskett who wrote a little book on : fishing the Mammoth area. I corresponded with him a few times on the : Internet a couple of years ago, but haven’t seen him turning up here. : Does anyone know if he’s still around. : Roger If you are going to fish Hot Creek, I would also suggest taking a look at the wild trout section of the upper Owens–up from Benton Crossing. It’s only a couple of miles from Hot Creek and there’s lots more of it and lots less angler pressure. It’s just this year got new fencing to keep the cows out– people access no problem–lots of walk-through gates. Good luck! Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories Phone: (415)-857-5491               Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971

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Heading up to Mammoth in a couple of days (my wife has to go up there for a meeting, poor me getting dragged along ). Specifically, I’m thinking of taking my float tube in to McLeod Lake, which I’ve only read about. Any one fished it recently?  I’ve also read about Sotcher Lake down in the Devils Postpile area, which I’ve heard fishes pretty good in the morning. There’s another lake off the road down there, but I can’t remember the name. Lastly, I’ve got to make at least one trip up to Lee Vining, and thought about fishing Lundy. Has anyone ever floated it. Any pre-trip suggestions would be helpful. I’ll post a report when I get back. Roger

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The leatherman and similar tools, and fatly featured swiss knives are bulky and heavy in the pocket.  I use a thin swiss knife or small pocket knife and a pair of the smallest size Channellock brand slip-joint pliers. The channellocks have the slip joint and can just barely stretch to grip a spark plug, yet are small enough to pinch down barbs as small as size 18. They are handier for automotive purposes than needlenose because of the range of grip and the mechanical advantage of their design, though this is not a concern if you carry a good tool kit in your vehicle. At the tip they bite good enough to clip leader material. They are usually adequate for removing hooks for fly fishing where the hooks tend not to be deep in the mouths. Beware of the lookalike brands as they tend to break when you need to really clamp down. One thing I have discovered is that you can open cans or bottles with any sharp pocket knife with a good carbon steel blade. Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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(DPortw8840) writes: I can think of any number of situations where I certainly would take any of them over nothing! I can think of any number of situations where I would take a stick over nothing. To me the biggest advantage of the S.A.K. is I always have one in my pocket.

The two aren’t mutually exclusive.  I have carried a pocket knife daily for more than 40 years.  I recently switched to a SAK after having carried a single-blade lock-blade Gerber/Buck (depending on what I bought when I lost my old one) for nearly 20 years.  I appreciate the utility of the SAK, but that doesn’t mean it’s always the best tool for the job. When I was in the military I always wore a belt knife of some sort, either a big Buck folder, a rigging knife, a large blade (6") sheath knife or a boot knife, but I always had my current favorite pocket knife tucked away somewhere.  I’ve carried as many as three at a time, depending on the situation and need. When the situation requires it I carry a Leatherman, too.  Either on my belt or in the tank bag of my motorcycle.  But I usually take it off when I wear a suit.  It tends to scuff the lining of the jacket.

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: 1) All stainless steel construction… but matte finished! Nothing shiny : or reflective. : But not a very rust resistant stainless steel.  Mine rusted and pitted : after one exposure to saltwater. Saltwater is so corrosive that it will affect even stainless steel. ALWAYS wash your gear with lots of fresh water after being around the salt. : 3) On the Gerber tool, the extra stuff is _inside_ the handles, as : opposed to outside on the Leatherman. Why was this important? Well, : think about which handles are more comfortable to squeeze hard… :  _     _              _   _ :  _|   |_        or   |_   _|  as viewed from the end of the tool. :    (L)                 (G) That is the only complaint about the leatherman. But the "cutting" affect from the handles is not noticable until I use a lot of force on the pliers. And that force is more than the tool was designed for! Remember that the pliers are needle-nose. How much force do you use on those? : The Gerber tools are MUCH easier on the hands… kinda important if : you’re cutting wire… or big hooks. : In addition, this means that the Gerber tool’s blades _can’t_ close back : on the handle while in use… a nifty finger-saving feature that the : Leatherman _doesn’t_ have! Not true. If you find the tools folding back on you, then you need to close the handles on the Leatherman. The only tool on that knife that is to use with the handles open is the pliers. By closing the tool, you are using a sort of "blade lock". : I’ve used mine to cut wire and hooks, fix battery terminal cables, : dispatch northern pike and clean them (though it’s NOT a particularly : GOOD fillet knife… just all I had available! The blade isn’t flexible : enough.) Tighten various screws around the house, and even cut a 1" limb : off of a tree… I was too lazy to go back and get the saw! <G Leatherman can do all that, and is a more compact tool to boot! Jon Porter

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(DPortw8840) writes: I can think of any number of situations where I certainly would take any of them over nothing!

I can think of any number of situations where I would take a stick over nothing. To me the biggest advantage of the S.A.K. is I always have one in my pocket.             Jim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife. The place I used to work sold Leatherman, Swiss Army, Gerber, and the Leatherman copy (Avoid these! They’re TRASH!) Leatherman DOES make 3 or 4 models… but don’t neglect the Gerber version of the tool, either. Here’s why I bought my Gerber… 1) All stainless steel construction… but matte finished! Nothing shiny or reflective. 2) ONE HAND opening of pliers. Pull it out, snap your wrist, and the pliers are ready to use. Just the thing for handling pike! 3) On the Gerber tool, the extra stuff is _inside_ the handles, as opposed to outside on the Leatherman. Why was this important? Well, think about which handles are more comfortable to squeeze hard…   _     _              _   _   _|   |_        or   |_   _|  as viewed from the end of the tool.     (L)                 (G) The Gerber tools are MUCH easier on the hands… kinda important if you’re cutting wire… or big hooks. In addition, this means that the Gerber tool’s blades _can’t_ close back on the handle while in use… a nifty finger-saving feature that the Leatherman _doesn’t_ have! I’ve used mine to cut wire and hooks, fix battery terminal cables, dispatch northern pike and clean them (though it’s NOT a particularly GOOD fillet knife… just all I had available! The blade isn’t flexible enough.) Tighten various screws around the house, and even cut a 1" limb off of a tree… I was too lazy to go back and get the saw! <G Comes with a velcro-closing cordura belt case, too… Very nice.

Hi Joe, Based on your comments regarding the Gerber tool, I’m going to give one a try.  I’ve used the Leatherman for a couple of years and you are tight.   When you use the pliers on any tough material the Leatherman handles are rough on the hands — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife.

Having used the Leatherman, the Swiss Army Knives, and the Gerber Multi-Plier, my preference is for the Gerber Multi-Plier, and particularly the new needle nosed version.  I like the way that I can bring it into play with one hand over fumbling around with the Leatherman, and I like the way that the sharper edges of the handle are inside on the Gerber, as opposed to digging into your hand on the Leatherman.  The one thing that I don’t like about the Gerber is the way that the sides of the handles come together.  Your learn rapidly to keep your fingers out of there! All of the three are good tools for what they were designed, and I can think of any number of situations where I certainly would take any of them over nothing!

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: I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is : more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your : belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be : used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife. For my vote as a practical SURVIVAL tool, I chose the Leatherman.  The Swiss Army knife is very useful in all of it’s models and configurations. But I find the Leatherman to be compact, very sturdy, and with the combination of tools that I need for my outdoor activities. I have used it for trips into the wilderness for up to a week at a time. It is also a very useful tool for me at work. I carry it almost full time while I go about my daily business. Jon Porter

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I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife. 1) All stainless steel construction… but matte finished! Nothing shiny or reflective.

But not a very rust resistant stainless steel.  Mine rusted and pitted after one exposure to saltwater. 2) ONE HAND opening of pliers. Pull it out, snap your wrist, and the pliers are ready to use. Just the thing for handling pike!

Until you get a little dirt/grit in the mechanism.   3) On the Gerber tool, the extra stuff is _inside_ the handles, as opposed to outside on the Leatherman. Why was this important? Well, think about which handles are more comfortable to squeeze hard…  _     _              _   _  _|   |_        or   |_   _|  as viewed from the end of the tool.    (L)                 (G) The Gerber tools are MUCH easier on the hands… kinda important if you’re cutting wire… or big hooks.

They’re easier on your hands, until the can opener breaks and slips into the hand holding the can.  That’s what happened with mine.   In addition, this means that the Gerber tool’s blades _can’t_ close back on the handle while in use… a nifty finger-saving feature that the Leatherman _doesn’t_ have! I’ve used mine to cut wire and hooks, fix battery terminal cables, dispatch northern pike and clean them (though it’s NOT a particularly GOOD fillet knife… just all I had available! The blade isn’t flexible enough.) Tighten various screws around the house, and even cut a 1" limb off of a tree… I was too lazy to go back and get the saw! <G Comes with a velcro-closing cordura belt case, too… Very nice.

Leatherman comes with a snap closing "leather" belt case. Gerber was, however, quick to replace the one I returned to them.

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I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife.

The place I used to work sold Leatherman, Swiss Army, Gerber, and the Leatherman copy (Avoid these! They’re TRASH!) Leatherman DOES make 3 or 4 models… but don’t neglect the Gerber version of the tool, either. Here’s why I bought my Gerber… 1) All stainless steel construction… but matte finished! Nothing shiny or reflective. 2) ONE HAND opening of pliers. Pull it out, snap your wrist, and the pliers are ready to use. Just the thing for handling pike! 3) On the Gerber tool, the extra stuff is _inside_ the handles, as opposed to outside on the Leatherman. Why was this important? Well, think about which handles are more comfortable to squeeze hard…   _     _              _   _   _|   |_        or   |_   _|  as viewed from the end of the tool.     (L)                 (G) The Gerber tools are MUCH easier on the hands… kinda important if you’re cutting wire… or big hooks. In addition, this means that the Gerber tool’s blades _can’t_ close back on the handle while in use… a nifty finger-saving feature that the Leatherman _doesn’t_ have! I’ve used mine to cut wire and hooks, fix battery terminal cables, dispatch northern pike and clean them (though it’s NOT a particularly GOOD fillet knife… just all I had available! The blade isn’t flexible enough.) Tighten various screws around the house, and even cut a 1" limb off of a tree… I was too lazy to go back and get the saw! <G Comes with a velcro-closing cordura belt case, too… Very nice. — Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |    TesserAct Studios  ()X  Darwin (;        Now on the Web at      |   Fairfield, OH 45018  //~~~LL~~~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 |  New Dimensions In Filk!

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I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife.

Hi J&J, I like my Leatherman much better than my Swiss Army Knife for the things I use a combo tool for.  I particularly like the plier feature of the L which my SAK does not have. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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says… I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife.

I used to have a Leatherman, but he started getting just a wee bit too toppish.   Left him in a bar one night. David

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I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife.

Agree, as long as you don’t get one of those cheap knock-offs.  Real pieces of garbage, extremely stiff pliers that don’t close, knives as sharp as a dorsal fin, etc. Get the real thing, or a quality competitor.

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I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife. Agree, as long as you don’t get one of those cheap knock-offs.  Real pieces of garbage, extremely stiff pliers that don’t close, knives as sharp as a dorsal fin, etc. Get the real thing, or a quality competitor.

I found a pair of the $15 fishing pliers with wire cutter on a beach about 4 years ago and they work fantastic. Offshore Anglers & Cabelas have them. They don’t have as many gadgets as a Letherman, but I haven’t noticed it to be a problem so far.                                                         jc

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I’ll start this by stating my preference for the Leatherman. It is more substantial in it’s manufacture and is easily carried on your belt. The tool selection is more than practical and are more apt to be used than those provided in the Swiss Army Knife.

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Hi I need some help.  Does anyone know where i can find some flyfishing clip art?  I neeed it for our TU newsletter.  Please e-mail me at Thanks for the help. Jamie Hart

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I need some help.  Does anyone know where i can find some flyfishing clip art?  I neeed it for our TU newsletter.  Please e-mail me at

I need same type of info.  I e-mailed this type of request to TU national over a month ago and haven’t heard anything from them. Please post a reply to the Newsgroup. Tight Lines, Gerry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I need some help.  Does anyone know where i can find some flyfishing clip art?  I neeed it for our TU newsletter.  Please e-mail me at Thanks for the help. Jamie Hart  Get a life!!!!

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I just got my orvis catalog in the mail today..ah, it’s January but spring is already in the air…So, my fellow fly fishermen, what are we buying Orvis braided leader system..it seems like it would be great. I want to pick it up, but first i’d like to know if anyone knows how good it is..Thanks.. Frankie… NYC fly-fisherman..just a 2 hour drive to the Beaverkill..

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The advertisement for Jeep that starts…       "A Tradition Runs Through It…." About made me lose chow… Tim Walker

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The advertisement for Jeep that starts…       "A Tradition Runs Through It…." About made me lose chow…

I hope the Royal Coachman does not make you nauseous; it was invented by Mary Orvis Marbury.  Unless I am mistaken, you must carry your line coiled up in your hand.  The thought of using a modern fly reel, which traces its lineage back to the CFO reel developed by Charles F. Orvis, is repugnant. On the other hand, it may be the Jeep/Orvis advertising executives who make you sick.  The thought that anyone would exploit fly fishing’s traditions, your heritage, for commercial gain could upset you.  That is why I only fish with tackle donated to me by Trappist monks.  They have to give up both fishing and sex. Shudder! Unfortunately, fewer and fewer folks are willing to make that double sacrifice so I am running low on tackle.  I am therefore looking forward to drooling over my Orvis catalogue.  I imperil my immortal soul by dealing with them (the toll free #, 1-800-666-6666, is scary) but what the heck.  Some of it is nice stuff. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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The advertisement for Jeep that starts…       "A Tradition Runs Through It…." snip Yeah, Tim, but if you keep reading, it only gets worse: "…The Orvis name informs (sic) the spirit of every fly fisherman…in America"   WHAT does that mean??!!

Inform (vt) does not just mean to impart knowledge, it also means 1) obs to give material form or to arrange 2)to give character or essence; hence to be characteristic of 3)to train or discipline 4)to guide or direct.  I don’t know why Webster says that 1 is obsolete; Aristotelian and Thomistic metaphysicians are always prattling on about formal causes informing material causes. So how do you like that?  Madison avenue says that Orvis gives you character, disciplines you, and/or guides you.  And I thought that they just had some nice stuff for sale.  If it were not for those ads I might have gone to my grave without recogning my essential Orvisness. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The advertisement for Jeep that starts…       "A Tradition Runs Through It…." snip Yeah, Tim, but if you keep reading, it only gets worse: "…The Orvis name informs (sic) the spirit of every fly fisherman…in America"   WHAT does that mean??!! Inform (vt) does not just mean to impart knowledge, it also means 1) obs to give material form or to arrange 2)to give character or essence; hence to be characteristic of 3)to train or discipline 4)to guide or direct.  I don’t know why Webster says that 1 is obsolete; Aristotelian and Thomistic metaphysicians are always prattling on about formal causes informing material causes.

Thanks for the vocabulary lesson!  Now that I know what they’re talking about, somehow I don’t feel much better.  However, I agree with the people who have posted to the effect that this drivel is an ad, after all; Orvis is just using the media to try to turn a buck, and I don’t sweat them that.  My beef is with the media…do they really think we are a bunch of sheep? Anyhow, seeing the ad did not stop me from placing an order from the same catalog.  Boycotting is a bit extreme, I think. Paul DiConza NY Capital District Angler

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: The advertisement for Jeep that starts… :       "A Tradition Runs Through It…." : About made me lose chow… : On the other hand, it may be the Jeep/Orvis advertising executives who : make you sick.  The thought that anyone would exploit fly fishing’s Norman Maclean must be rolling in his grave.  His son and his daughter must not have ever read the book, or they missed the point.  Ol’ Norm was very protective that his story was personal and he never wanted to exploit it for commercial gains.  Now he’s dead and his family is raping his memories.  If I ever see an orvis edition jeep at my fishing hole, I think I’ll let the air out of it’s tires for Norm…I think he’d approve. Tim Walker

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Who would buy an Orvis Cherokee…maybe the same tweedy types that keep Orvis in business and FF a bad name. Went way too far this time pa.

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Tim Walker suggests that he would let the air out of the tires of any Orvis Jeep parked near his fishing spot and that Norman McLean would approve. Tim – If I ever see anyone letting the air out of any fisherman’s vehicle (of whatever kind), I’ll do my best to see if I can get the person arrested. Making such a suggestion, even as hyperbole, reflects poor judgment (among other things).                                               Dallas, TX                                               Ennis, MT

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| |     fishing AND backpacking AND caving AND biking AND…oh well | I couldn’t have said it better myself, and, you beat me to it! Not only is it more and more difficult to find a  male fishing partner as we all (stretch) get on in years, but such a female companion is amost an oxymoron.  One of these days I would really like someone to prove me wrong on that point…nudge,

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| |     fishing AND backpacking AND caving AND biking AND…oh well | I couldn’t have said it better myself, and, you beat me to it! Not only is it more and more difficult to find a  male fishing partner as we all (stretch) get on in years, but such a female companion is amost an oxymoron.  One of these days I would really like someone to prove me wrong on that point…nudge, Believe me, we exist!

Peggy                             "A friend walks in when everyone                                    else walks out"

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|   | Believe me, we exist! |   | Peggy                             "A friend walks in when everyone |                                    else walks out"    At least my faith has been restored  Now, if I can just find y’all (must be looking in the wrong    places, or hell, maybe it’s just me!) and catch a few trout this weekend, life’ll be perfect!    On another note, anyone out there know anything about the fishing conditions on the Perquimans River    in eastern NC?  I was telling someone about this river (used to be GREAT fishing on it, especially in    creeks) but it’s been years since I’ve been there…Last time I was the grass was so dense it was    real hard to fish thru…It used to go in cycles, a few years full of duckweed, a few years of almost    no grass, then back to tons of seaweed…How is it these days?  I’d hate to recommend a place that’s    difficult to fish…                                                         — scott

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| |     fishing AND backpacking AND caving AND biking AND…oh well | I couldn’t have said it better myself, and, you beat me to it! Not only is it more and more difficult to find a  male fishing partner as we all (stretch) get on in years, but such a female companion is amost an oxymoron.  One of these days I would really like someone to prove me wrong on that point…nudge,

Never they are out there to be found!! My wife is an example she loves rock hunting, spelunking(caving), fishing , hunting , camping, everything I always wanted. Don’t give up they are there. —    Spike                                 "Life is fun enjoy while you can"                                           I enjoy short-term "Investing"!

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Hi, I’m female and I love to fish! I even put the worms, live bait, etc. on the hook, and I even take the fish off the hook     myself (except for if it has big teeth!).  I’d rather be fishing right now!   Carol

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| Hi, | | I’m female and I love to fish! I even put the worms, live bait, etc. on the hook, and I even take the fish off the hook     | myself (except for if it has big teeth!).  I’d rather be fishing right now!   |   | Carol    Damn, and I live in Virginia!!!  ;-)                                 — scott

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| That s rry on the bride and groom and the bass boat is nothing…. | Oops, typo….story that is…. | I proposed to my wife during a moose hunting trip in northern Quebec (she | said afterwards she’d want it no other way).  She allows me to spends huge | amounts of money for hunting/fishing gear, and usually outshoots me at | grouse hunting.  But fishing…..now that’s where she comes to life!  You | take her fishing in the surf and camp on the beach.  She’s up before dawn | and waits until it’s light enough to see, and only returns for lunch and | when it gets dark!  And that’s even if the water’s dirty and nothing’s | biting!  She just won’t quit!  When a shark started taking fish off my | stringer, she just moved away from me.  She busted a rod last year on a | sting ray.  She almost always outfishes me, and sometimes guys are out | there trying to see what colors of plastics she’s using BEFORE she starts | catching them.  She plans on trying a little fly fishing in the surf this | year.  The only time she’s tried it was in Vermont with me, when she ended | up taking a swim in February.  The mild case of hypothermia didn’t faze her | one bit.  If somebody is hardcore, she’s it.  It’s scary.  And it’s that’s | not enough, she’s "model-quality" beautiful, and finishing her last year | of her veterinary degree at LSU so she can earn far more than I do.  Why | she loves me I’ll never know   |       | Andre |     fishing AND backpacking AND caving AND biking AND…oh well     By the way, anyone from Va have any suggestions for what flies might work     this coming weekend, besides the ole standbys?  Going out Sunday and need     to replenish my flies (lost 1, broke 1 and 3 came unraveled last week)…     I saw what looked like a mayfly while I was hiking but I’m not sure…I     haven’t decided if I’m going to the Bullpasture or somewhere in the     Shenendoah…                                         — scott

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