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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Just for fun, drag something juuuuust until it disappears underneath. He’ll go nuts

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something; there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed Just for fun, drag something juuuuust until it disappears underneath. He’ll go nuts

Evil, Karen, eeevill (snicker) — Cliologist, Philanthropologist, Prothonotary Wibbler, Paleoconservative, Surface Warrior Squid

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Auntie Tweed, Thare are Greeblings EVERYWHERE!! Dey go wherever dey wantses, bekause dey are tiny enuf to fit. Mama and I hunt dem all de time, but thare are ownly too of us, and millyuns of Greeblings. Unka Pan is no help, he kan’t see well enuf or move fast enuf to hunt, ennymore.  Boyfriend is trying his hardest to protekt yoo from da rug greeblings. For tiny liddle kreechers, greeblings are meen and danjerus. Nina and Francesca.

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Dear Miss Christina, We are the greebling experts!  You can trust us kitties.  You can’t trust your poor weak hoomin eyes.  Believe me, they can get anywhere. They change shape, and get flat, or long or whatever they need to do to hide from you.  But we can see ‘em, hear ‘em and smell ‘em.  Please don’t take any risks with those horrid greeblings just waiting around to take over the house– or fly down your throat when you’re sleeping! Eeeww!  I get all creepy just thinking about it.  Believe me, I know it’s not yours or my mommy’s faults that you can’t see them. You just have to relax and let us do our jobs.  We’ll take care of everything. Love, Stinky Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Boyfriend is right. We have rug greeblings in the kitchen and the family room.  Sometimes I have to move the entire rug back to get to them. Meowmy will come home and find the kitchen rug upside down and in the dining room, but she doesn’t find greeblings. That’s because I ate them all. Boyfriend is doing the right thing. Samuel R. Thunderpaws The Great Greebling Hunter

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep.

When Shmogg was still interested in Greeblings he had a unique way of dealing with the ones under the kitchen rug – he *surfed* on them! This is one of the first stories I ever wrote for RPCA back in April 1998: SURFING CAT Shmoggleberry lived in a pokey 2 bedroom flat for most of his life, and so took great advantage of all the extra space to run around in when we moved to a large house. The main bedroom, lounge, dining room and kitchen are all reasonably lined up, so Shmoggleberry could run full speed from one to the other. He can really get up some speed! (Since the flat was small, he couldn’t really get a decent run without having to make some very sharp, speed reducing, turns) The Kitchen has a lino floor, and since it was winter when I moved, I put some small mats down in the kitchen so I didn’t get cold feet. He very quickly discovered that if he got some speed up and then jumped onto the mat at the start of the kitchen, his momentum would allow him to "surf" across the lino, using the mat as a board. At one point, he got up to much speed, he discovered a law of thermodynamics: once you are moving, its hard to stop! THUNK! head first into the far wall of the kitchen. He let out a rather surprised "OW!" (as you would) and stopped to give himself a good grooming – which he always does when he’s done something stupid. I thought he’d learnt his lesson by getting a fairly good smack in the head. Alas, at some hideous hour of the morning, we were woken to the sounds of boomba, boomba, boomba (sound of cat hurtling through empty house, approaching speed of light), sweeeeeeeeeee….. (sound of mat sliding on lino) ….THUNK (sound of insane fluffy projectile being suddenly stopped by unforgiving wall). We had just managed to doze off, when – Boomba boomba boomba, sweee…, thunk. (just enough time to go back to sleep) boomba, boomba, boomba, sweeee…, thunk. (enough time..) boomba, boomba… etc. I caught him at it later the next day – he came screaming out of the bedroom, landed on the mat, and then put his head down so the wall would collect him on the flat bit between his ears. Almost like he was a charging bull. I guess it caused him the least amount of pain. Although I know El Moggo is probably the most cunning & conniving creature I’ve met, I also know he can be remarkably thick. Yowie

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<SNIP Oh yes! I believe kitchen rug greeblings are closely related to newspaper greeblings, very sneaky little devils which take an expert cat to deal with them. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.

OH MY!!!! I’d compleetly foregotten about newspaper greeblings.  But, from the state of the last newspaper I brought in the house & left on the couch when I went to work…. I think the furballs got them all. —

Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas

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Isn’t it funny how cats will always groom themselves nonchalantly whenever they do something stupid, my dogs just used to look embarrassed,but a cat makes sure you ‘know’ he did it on purpose That was a funny story Yowie, Wilson always chased the mop when he was little, it was especially funny when he chased the polish mop, he would skid everywhere.   Jean.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. When Shmogg was still interested in Greeblings he had a unique way of dealing with the ones under the kitchen rug – he *surfed* on them! This is one of the first stories I ever wrote for RPCA back in April 1998: SURFING CAT Shmoggleberry lived in a pokey 2 bedroom flat for most of his life, and so took great advantage of all the extra space to run around in when we moved to a large house. The main bedroom, lounge, dining room and kitchen are all reasonably lined up, so Shmoggleberry could run full speed from one to the other. He can really get up some speed! (Since the flat was small, he couldn’t really get a decent run without having to make some very sharp, speed reducing, turns) The Kitchen has a lino floor, and since it was winter when I moved, I put some small mats down in the kitchen so I didn’t get cold feet. He very quickly discovered that if he got some speed up and then jumped onto the mat at the start of the kitchen, his momentum would allow him to "surf" across the lino, using the mat as a board. At one point, he got up to much speed, he discovered a law of thermodynamics: once you are moving, its hard to stop! THUNK! head first into the far wall of the kitchen. He let out a rather surprised "OW!" (as you would) and stopped to give himself a good grooming – which he always does when he’s done something stupid. I thought he’d learnt his lesson by getting a fairly good smack in the head. Alas, at some hideous hour of the morning, we were woken to the sounds of boomba, boomba, boomba (sound of cat hurtling through empty house, approaching speed of light), sweeeeeeeeeee….. (sound of mat sliding on lino) ….THUNK (sound of insane fluffy projectile being suddenly stopped by unforgiving wall). We had just managed to doze off, when – Boomba boomba boomba, sweee…, thunk. (just enough time to go back to sleep) boomba, boomba, boomba, sweeee…, thunk. (enough time..) boomba, boomba… etc. I caught him at it later the next day – he came screaming out of the bedroom, landed on the mat, and then put his head down so the wall would collect him on the flat bit between his ears. Almost like he was a charging bull. I guess it caused him the least amount of pain. Although I know El Moggo is probably the most cunning & conniving creature I’ve met, I also know he can be remarkably thick. Yowie

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in. They are such good guards for being so young. They will be formidable when they are grown. It is good to feel safe from evil greeblings.

Ah now I see!  They’d be under the floorboards in my place though, and anywhere in the house when the gat needs to go the toilet, he does a loud howl and runs around like a maniac then does his business, odd creature!

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the- kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Oh yes! I believe kitchen rug greeblings are closely related to newspaper greeblings, very sneaky little devils which take an expert cat to deal with them. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed Auntie Tweed, Thare are Greeblings EVERYWHERE!! Dey go wherever dey wantses, bekause dey are tiny enuf to fit. Mama and I hunt dem all de time, but thare are ownly too of us, and millyuns of Greeblings. Unka Pan is no help, he kan’t see well enuf or move fast enuf to hunt, ennymore. Boyfriend is trying his hardest to protekt yoo from da rug greeblings. For tiny liddle kreechers, greeblings are meen and danjerus. Nina and Francesca.

L O Nina & Francesca I fink Kitty FC got too old to bother about der greeblings in der house, it is FULL of dem, but most are under der rug in der kitchen.  I try to show meowmie but she carnt see dem. I sez to Kitty, look, I tell you wot..you go outside and fite the big black cat to save me der job, and I will get all the greeblings in der house to save *you* der job.  She sed its a deal.  I doan no why she larfed when she settled back down in front of der fire after she fort The Enemy and he ran away.  She say you will be busier dan me.  Wot she mean? I avnt made der rong choice, av I?  I fink I hear greeblings under dat rug again. Kitty is fast asleep, funny noizes coming from her nose.  Sort of zzzz. pfff. zzzzzzzzzz. ppppffffff. Myself, I have to stay up all der nite to get der greeblings. <scratches head Boyfriend

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I fink Kitty FC got too old to bother about der greeblings in der house, it is FULL of dem, but most are under der rug in der kitchen.  I try to show meowmie but she carnt see dem. I sez to Kitty, look, I tell you wot..you go outside and fite the big black cat to save me der job, and I will get all the greeblings in der house to save *you* der job.  She sed its a deal.  I doan no why she larfed when she settled back down in front of der fire after she fort The Enemy and he ran away.  She say you will be busier dan me.  Wot she mean? I avnt made der rong choice, av I?  I fink I hear greeblings under dat rug again. Kitty is fast asleep, funny noizes coming from her nose.  Sort of zzzz. pfff. zzzzzzzzzz. ppppffffff. Myself, I have to stay up all der nite to get der greeblings. <scratches head Boyfriend

Boyfriend, You are the dearest little fellow.  I send you special skritches from across the sea. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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Is there such a thing?  

Is there ever! They belong to the family of under-the-rug greeblings, and Mere has been showing me how lacking Frank and Nikki have been lately in hunting them. It seems that they have let the greeblings multiply enormously, though Nikki does hunt them half-heartedly every now and then. However, Mere is on their case, and is taking care that they (the greeblings) keep on their toes. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What are greeblings? Greeblings are those pesky animals that the cats chase when we can’t see anything there. One example is the under-the-rug greeblings, which apparently my place is full of, and which Mere chases with abandonment. She burrows under the rugs, bunny-kicks them and bites them to kill the greeblings under there. She also chases the bed greeblings when I make the bed, and makes sure I am protected against these foul beings. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

Yes, and that’s why Nina was making it virtually impossible to put clean sheets on my bed, yesterday. =o) She was having a grand Greebling hunt. Melissa

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in. What are greeblings? Marcia (UK)

If I ever see one, I’ll let you know.  (Actually, only cats can see these mysterious creatures).   MLB

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What are greeblings?

Greeblings are those pesky animals that the cats chase when we can’t see anything there. One example is the under-the-rug greeblings, which apparently my place is full of, and which Mere chases with abandonment. She burrows under the rugs, bunny-kicks them and bites them to kill the greeblings under there. She also chases the bed greeblings when I make the bed, and makes sure I am protected against these foul beings. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in.

What are greeblings? Marcia (UK)

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in.

They are such good guards for being so young. They will be formidable when they are grown. It is good to feel safe from evil greeblings. — CATherine

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free.  Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in. — Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas

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Is there such a thing?  Boyfriend says there is.  For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs.  Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something;  there never is. I put the edge down again.  He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it.  I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think?  Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all.  At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

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Just what went on at the Yellowstone clave?

Lots of fishing, beer drinking, and BSing around the fire. Opening weekend we unintentionally offended a cranky old man, who turned out to be the father of Forest Service Ranger Chad, and Chad took it upon himself to harass us until we left. Pissed us off mightily at the time, but looking back on it a few weeks later, he was just a minor nuisance (say, like getting bitten by a deer fly) in what was otherwise a wonderful week with a great bunch of guys, in a beautiful setting. Did Charlie give Vern a fire extinguisher before shipment?

I just hope he remembered to punch a few air holes in the box. Has anyone else read Ruark’s "The Honey Badger" more than once, and if so, did your opinion(s) vary wildly each time?

I read almost all of his books, and my opinions varied wildly from page to page.  I got the feeling he was writing his autobiography over and over again, and felt that maybe he should quit whining (and perhaps cut back on the whiskey a bit). We’re on the fifth week of a hot, dry spell here in ND.  My garden withered away and got chewed down to the ground (except, of course, for the weeds) by grasshoppers while we were in Montana. Kevin

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I have an opportunity to catch up a bit with ROFF after several weeks of travel and adventure, and it’s good to see nothing has changed. However, I have missed a few details, and I always hate to miss the last episode of a series, even if it is "Survivor," therefore: Did the Collier/Poodlesfly scam go undiscovered, or at least, unreported? Just what went on at the Yellowstone clave? Did Charlie give Vern a fire extinguisher before shipment? Has anyone pointed out there is a river in Oklahoma and Texas named the Canadian, not to mention an OK county, a Texas town, etc.?  Heck, "Canadian District" appears on old Cherokee Nation census stuff (from the US, or EU, for some of us)…. Can Jeff and Louie email each other without a note from Bill Gates and two kids from MIT? Has anyone else read Ruark’s "The Honey Badger" more than once, and if so, did your opinion(s) vary wildly each time? OBROFF – went fishing some, caught some, got rained on where we didn’t need it, and didn’t where we did.  We have a river on some of our land large enough to warrant Rand-Macnally’s considerations, and, sadly, you can now jump it in places…and without being Evil Kineval (or Opie)… Muskie, ol’ boy, if you read this, there is something to bitch and moan about, and guess what?  It was not caused by GW or Bill and Hillary or either major party (or I guess, maybe all of them) – it was caused by good old fashioned greed with a good dose of stupidity thrown in to ensure a real mess…. TC, R TC, R

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Hi, I have been fishing for about 2 months now.  Can you recommend a good knot for tying two lines together, which are of different thicknesses.  I want to tie a 40lb leader to the mainline.   The knot I’ve tried wasn’t good.  I have lost a lot of good fish because of this, I was using the blood knot.  I found that the weakest point in my tackle is usually the knot that joins the leader to the mainline and is the first thing that gives way most of the time. ——- thanks

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The surgeons knot and the uni knot in all it’s forms are what I use. The surgeons knot is simple and low profile and works well with leader attachment. I use it to tie leader to line of less than 20 lb and no more than 4:1 for the leader. I use a Uni loop to tie on the jig or hook, and for everything with lines over 20 lb. If you test with a gauge you will learn to do 90% strength ties consistently. This is probably more important than the actual knot used. Consistent ties. Where I fish low visibility of the line/leader is more important than anything else. The water is shallow and clear. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I have been fishing for about 2 months now.  Can you recommend a good knot for tying two lines together, which are of different thicknesses.  I want to tie a 40lb leader to the mainline.   The knot I’ve tried wasn’t good.  I have lost a lot of good fish because of this, I was using the blood knot.  I found that the weakest point in my tackle is usually the knot that joins the leader to the mainline and is the first thing that gives way most of the time. ——- thanks

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The surgeon knot is the one I use.  It is tied by forming two overhand knots. pretty simple but effective.

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Hi, I have been fishing for about 2 months now.  Can you recommend a good knot for tying two lines together, which are of different thicknesses.  I want to tie a 40lb leader to the mainline.   The knot I’ve tried wasn’t

A surgeon’s knot is a good one for this, as is a nail-knot. The surgeon’s knot is easy to tie (just overlap the ends of your lines by about 4-8" and make a double overhand knot) but the nail knot has the benefit that both the tag ends are constricted by the wraps. (Its basically the same as a hook snell, just using another line instead of a hook.) Any decent fishing or knot reference should have instructions for both. Blood knots are fine for light-weight line, but they get much harder to seat correctly as the line weight goes up. — <signature <! impressive references and witty saying goes here </signature Before you buy.

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I use the uni-knot.  You overlap the ends of the lines, tie a uni-knot in one, then the other.  Pull them tight and cut off the tag ends. Very easy, makes a small knot and doesn’t come loose. Tom Kadlec The surgeon knot is the one I use.  It is tied by forming two overhand knots. pretty simple but effective.

Tom Kadlec

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I agree with the uni-knot…i’ve used it forever it seems. Gives 90% line strength and is compatable with different line thickness. Berkly created this knot years ago. It’s very easy to tie. You can learn how to tie it from instructions in every pkg. of line they sell.

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Hi try here there’s various diagrams of knots which make it easier to learn them. http://www.f-deans.freeserve.co.uk/knots/knots.htm — Lawrence Deans           "Fishing On The Fly" http://www.f-deans.freeserve.co.uk http://you.genie.co.uk/dixie http://shop.affinia.com/l_deans/Store1 knocked me off my Lily Pad by writing: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi, I have been fishing for about 2 months now.  Can you recommend a good knot for tying two lines together, which are of different thicknesses.  I want to tie a 40lb leader to the mainline.   The knot I’ve tried wasn’t good.  I have lost a lot of good fish because of this, I was using the blood knot.  I found that the weakest point in my tackle is usually the knot that joins the leader to the mainline and is the first thing that gives way most of the time. ——- thanks

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Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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What is the newsletter address? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron;   There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

There’s a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like an idiot." – Steven Wright

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Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Preciate that Bob, You may rest assured that I will always be skulking in the shadows of R.O.F.B. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, Rodmaker, hope you don’t find what you are looking for.  Sure would miss your posts here! — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Hey, Rodmaker, hope you don’t find what you are looking for.  Sure would miss your posts here! — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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I am looking to purchase a used canoe. This is my first canoe and the following are some wants/uses: 17′, wide, stable (will be used for hunting and fishing), large load capacity, safe for kids and my dogs.

<SNIP I don’t know if you’ve made your decision yet but I have a number of demo Swift Dumoines and Yukons, royalex and royalite which would really fit your requirements for under $1000. — Steve Freund QCC Kayaks http://www.qualitycomposites.com

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I am looking to purchase a used canoe. This is my first canoe and the following are some wants/uses: 17′, wide, stable (will be used for hunting and fishing), large load capacity, safe for kids and my dogs. Will be used on river and lake, no heavy whitewater, but may see a few lumps and bumps, and also shallow water. Would like to be able to mount a small outboard/trolling for ocassional use, but not mandatory as I will be paddling 99% of the time. I looked at the Old Town Discovery 169 and Mad River Revelation. Any idea on prices I should see for used units? Please email with response. Thanks in advance Michael Rosenberger Phoenix College Media Services Arizona Upland Hunting and Outdoors – Productions

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For a stable lake river canoe with big capacity I don’t see how you can beat http://www.otccanoe.com/camper.html  It isn’t 17′, but it has a big beauiful wide flat bottom that gives it LOTS of initial stability and IMHO would make it the absolute tops in a kids dogs camping scenario. I photograph birds out of mine with long lenses and that means getting my head and shoulders way off centerline and it lays in the water relaxed and stable as can be. Took it down about 55 miles of the Colorado from Moab to the Confluence this summer with Luigi Puzziferro. We were traveling gourmet style and started off with over 14 gallons of water (I never did like pumping water out of big rivers that flow near cities) and LOTS of heavy camera stuff, and that left plenty of freeboard and it cruised along nicely. Luigi made me so mad I could spit because he didn’t paddle half the time, but that wasn’t the boat’s fault. Paddles great solo, too. I just wouldn’t have a Discovery if there was any way I could get a Royalex canoe, especially if I was ever going to be carrying it around myself. Bought mine as a demonstrator from REI. Don’t remember how much, sorry, but it was cheap and in perfect shape. There are deals out there. Nace

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Greetings from Paint Island Canoe & Kayak in Bordentown, NJ. I would not leave Wenonah out of the picture here. They make a Fisherman model that is beamier than most canoes but it is a 14′ boat. You can purchase motor mount kits that will fit  most boats as long as there is enough gunnel to grab. We sell two different types ranging in price from 49.95 to 56.00. The 56.00 is universal and ready to mount. The 49.95 unit must be cut to fit your boat. Good luck in your boat selection. Hope weather is great out there. Happy Paddling www.riversport.com/paintisland/ Ron

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Michael: I’ve used the 17′ old town discovery sport square stern to fly fish out of. Stability is very good.  The two sets of oar locks are nice, they allow you to  row from the middle if you have two friends fishing at once or row from the bow if you have only one person fishing….it is tough, quiet, warm,,,as opposed to aluminum but it is very heavy…all in all it is a very good boat for non serious ww…ka – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking to purchase a used canoe. This is my first canoe and the following are some wants/uses: 17′, wide, stable (will be used for hunting and fishing), large load capacity, safe for kids and my dogs. Will be used on river and lake, no heavy whitewater, but may see a few lumps and bumps, and also shallow water. Would like to be able to mount a small outboard/trolling for ocassional use, but not mandatory as I will be paddling 99% of the time. I looked at the Old Town Discovery 169 and Mad River Revelation. Any idea on prices I should see for used units? Please email with response. Thanks in advance Michael Rosenberger Phoenix College Media Services Arizona Upland Hunting and Outdoors – Productions

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Michael Rosenberger wrote I am looking to purchase a used canoe. This is my first canoe and the following are some wants/uses: OldTown Discovery 17.4…our first boat….shortest trip 18 days/longest

trip 34 days. Our initial skill level : ZERO. Have paddled it on big Rivers like the Peace in Alberta at record flood, big lakes like Reindeer Lake in northern Saskatchewan, and remote prarie rivers like the North Dakota’s Little Missouri….there are prettier boat, there are certainly more expensive boats, and I doubt ANYONE will swipe this boat… look up OldTown Canoe homepage…weight is 82#, material is …plastic with interior foam cells LOL… carries 700 lbs easily with 3 inches of freeboard, and is still very stable. Cost new: $750 new… if you ever find a USED one…its because its previous owner died and surviving spouse is moving to the Sahara, or one a lottery and is buying a custom built (plastic boat) with a fancy name. It is used by outfitters in NWT as a rental, just like the old Grummans…it is maintenance free,and a safe and forgiving craft. This is my humble opinion…but you DID ask…

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Yep, the Old Town Discovery series of boats is a good way to go for sure. If you can find someone who sell a lot of them, ask if they have any "blems" at reduced cost.  I worked for a couple of years at Rutabaga in Madison, WI (they ship anywhere, call 1-800- I PADDLE). Or call Od Town and ask for anyone in your area that sells their blems. The "blems" typically are just spots with a bit of discoloration which does not affect the integrity of the boat what so ever. Check out Rutabagas website also.  I’ve got it listed below. To reply by email, remove "mapson"from my edress.

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I am looking to purchase a used canoe. This is my first canoe…

<SNIP THANKS to all who replied either in group or via email. I must say, this was a breathe of fresh air compared to some of my other experiences in other groups. Normally you ask for an opinion, you get one and then the rest of the thread is everyone else telling the first poster why he is wrong. It says allot about the "paddlin’ people". I must say I am quite excited to be getting this canoe. I did some paddlin’ in camps when I was younger and to this day cannot remember having more fun. Cannot wait to take the family, or hell…get out by myself for a day run. I will chime in again and let you know what canoe ends up on my truck top. Thanks again. Michael Rosenberger Phoenix College Media Services Arizona Upland Hunting and Outdoors – Productions

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I just bought a Revelation for $1200.  It retailed for about $1400. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking to purchase a used canoe. This is my first canoe and the following are some wants/uses: 17′, wide, stable (will be used for hunting and fishing), large load capacity, safe for kids and my dogs. Will be used on river and lake, no heavy whitewater, but may see a few lumps and bumps, and also shallow water. Would like to be able to mount a small outboard/trolling for ocassional use, but not mandatory as I will be paddling 99% of the time. I looked at the Old Town Discovery 169 and Mad River Revelation. Any idea on prices I should see for used units? Please email with response. Thanks in advance Michael Rosenberger Phoenix College Media Services Arizona Upland Hunting and Outdoors – Productions

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I am looking to purchase a used canoe. This is my first canoe and the following are some wants/uses: 17′, wide, stable (will be used for hunting and fishing), large load capacity, safe for kids and my dogs. Will be used on river and lake, no heavy whitewater, but may see a few lumps and bumps, and also shallow water. Would like to be able to mount a small outboard/trolling for ocassional use, but not mandatory as I will be paddling 99% of the time. I looked at the Old Town Discovery 169 and Mad River Revelation. Any idea on prices I should see for used units?

If you are looking at a Discovery, consider the Appalachian. It is a 16′ boat, butfor river running and wilderness tripping royalex is a superior hull materal. These boats are reasonably cheap, under $1000. The Appalachian is very similar to the Mad River Explorer (also a great boat), but the Old Town is significantly cheaper. -Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please email with response. Thanks in advance Michael Rosenberger Phoenix College Media Services Arizona Upland Hunting and Outdoors – Productions

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Anyone know of a source for flyfishing clip art?  thanks in Advance

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Anyone know of a source for flyfishing clip art?  thanks in Advance

Check out the Fly & Field website at: http://www.flyfield.com/clipart.htm — Steve Vaughn

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Anyone have any good/simple receipes for trout.

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To prepare my catch, I say, "O.K. fishhie, now that the fun’s over I’m gonna put you back now.  (Pop, hook slides out)  There you go. See you later." I think I prepared it for release rather well, wouldn’t you say? Oh, I’m sorry.  That wasn’t what you meant, was it. JB

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To prepare my catch, I say, "O.K. fishhie, now that the fun’s over I’m gonna put you back now.  (Pop, hook slides out)  There you go. See you later." I think I prepared it for release rather well, wouldn’t you say? Oh, I’m sorry.  That wasn’t what you meant, was it. JB To prepare mine, I gut ‘em and cook ‘em. I got a good recipie but its secret. Sorry. Bryce P.S. I keep the keepers and throw back only those that are too small or when i don’t have access to a skillet.

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Anyone have any good/simple receipes for trout.

tough to beat butter/salt/pepper in foil over the coals. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Those of you who remember the Don Zahner – Dorset, VT era of Fly Fisherman magaine may recall the letter that came in from a proud MD, who after numerous tries, had developed the precise dilute water/Valium solution to be sprayed from an old Sinex bottle along a trout’s lateral line so as to stun the fish long enough to effect a gentle release, but not strong enough to anesthesize it permanently.  To this day, I wonder if somebody on staff didn’t stay up all night with a bottle of Virginia Gentleman and dream this up.  You know, kinda the same way O’Donahue and O’Roarke used to write the Lampoon…

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them? smoke ‘em. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

How do you keep ‘em from wriggling out of the rolling paper before lighting? Mike

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tough to beat butter/salt/pepper in foil over the coals. — TimW

Here is the best breakfast available. You will need 2 eggs, 2 12 inch trout gutted, mashed potatoes, sour cream, and tamatoes. Fry the trout in butter, no spices. Mix some sour cream with the mashed potatoes and make potatoe pancakes. Cook your eggs however you like ‘em. Slice the tomatoe and eat. You can use mashed potatoe mix and cook in a skillet on an open fire at the stream. There is one advantage to stream cooking- if you catch a female trrout, you can put the roe in the eggs when you scramble ‘em and its a delicacy. Don’t try it with fryed eggs. Bryce

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them? smoke ‘em. — TimW Halfordian Golfer How do you keep ‘em from wriggling out of the rolling paper before lighting? Mike

Ever heard of flypaper?

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Mike Uetz said: Moe Skeeter said: [some deleted] smoke ‘em. How do you keep ‘em from wriggling out of the rolling paper before lighting?

… a little gink holds ‘em in place… TimW

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them?

Well, when I was working in the uplands of Cameroon we used to eat flying ants and locusts just as they are. No preparation needed. Stir fry them. Locust was my favourite. You just eat the body not the wings which fall off when cooking anyway. Taste and texture a bit like peanut butter (crunchy type). Yumm yumm. Pete Marrow   work:  http://www.gsrg.nmh.ac.uk/   play:  http://www.gorp.com/gorp/activity/scottish_ff_faq.htm

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them?

Be a MAN ! Eat em raw !!!! — "All is well as ends better" Brian Di Carlo

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them? Leave the wings, they fry up real crisp and tasty. Plus…Those wings will spread when done providing a super lil’ handle!!

Kinda like Butterfly Shrimp?

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them?

smoke ‘em. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them? Leave the wings, they fry up real crisp and tasty.

Plus…Those wings will spread when done providing a super lil’ handle!!

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them?

I usually remove the wings first.  Otherwise the wings tend to get crisp & hard and stick in between your teeth like popcorn.                                    8^                                     Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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It depends on what you caught.  I usually steak the big dragon flies, while I just gut the smaller gnats and mosquitos and fry them whole. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them? I usually remove the wings first.  Otherwise the wings tend to get crisp & hard and stick in between your teeth like popcorn.                                    8^                                     Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them?

I like to remove the wings first it makes it a lot easier to fillet them. Regards, Steve

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them?

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Went fly fishing and caught a lot of flies.  My question is how do you prepare them?  Should you leave the wings on or remove them?

Leave the wings, they fry up real crisp and tasty.

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: Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle : of Montrose, California?  Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe : the first in southern California.  He invented the Streaker SW fly and : pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal.  I last saw Sierra Tackle : catalogue in about 1974, I think.  If anybody has some information, I’d : appreciate hearing. Ned Grey died almost 20 years ago and his stock was bought up. William Buchman …I’m confused

Yes you may be. Sierra Tackle went out of business about twenty years ago but Ned continued doing business under Cutthroat Hook Company until he was too ill to operate it. Ken Lindsay Fly Fishing Online http://www.flyfishing-online.com

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Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle of Montrose, California?  Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe the first in southern California.  He invented the Streaker SW fly and pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal.  I last saw Sierra Tackle catalogue in about 1974, I think.  If anybody has some information, I’d appreciate hearing.  Ned Grey died almost 20 years ago and his stock was bought up. Cliff Wyatt ran the Wilderness Shoppe in Santa Monics.  I think that it preceded Ned Grey’s.  Even so, I would be surprised if even Wyatt was first. William Buchman

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: Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle : of Montrose, California?  Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe : the first in southern California.  He invented the Streaker SW fly and : pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal.  I last saw Sierra Tackle : catalogue in about 1974, I think.  If anybody has some information, I’d : appreciate hearing. Sean, I’m sorry to tell you that Ned passed away about six years ago after a long battle with emphysema. Ned was an inspiration over the years to many flyfishers and his inovative patterns and techniques were passed on Ken Lindsey  Ned Grey died almost 20 years ago and his stock was bought up. William Buchman …I’m confused

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I live in La Crescenta, just up the hill from Montrose. I used to drive to Ned’s shop when I lived out in Canoga Park.  And then, after I moved to La Crescenta, Ned closed his shop (I don’t think I drove him to it!) I do not know if he opened another shop or not. Rick

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Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle of Montrose, California?  Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe the first in southern California.  He invented the Streaker SW fly and pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal.  I last saw Sierra Tackle catalogue in about 1974, I think.  If anybody has some information, I’d appreciate hearing. Thanks Sean Barry

Sean,  I’m sorry to tell you that Ned passed away about six years ago after a long battle with Emphezima(spell?). Ned was an inspiration over the years to many flyfishers and his inovative patterns and techniques were passed on with an enthusiasm for the sport that was infectious.  Ned got me started in saltwater fly rodding in 1972 and I still treasure one of his early Calico bass patterns that was tossed across the counter with the admonition " don’t worry what kind of tackle you have just throw that son of a bitch out there and see what eats it."  I did and they ate it and I thank Ned for introducing me to a whole new spectrum of our sport. Ned was truly a pioneer of the sport and I feel privaliged to have known him. Tight Lines, Ken  Lindsay FLy Fishing Online http://www.flyfishing-online.com

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Anybody know what ever happened to Ned Grey and Ned Grey’s Sierra Tackle of Montrose, California?  Ned’s was one of the early fly shops, maybe the first in southern California.  He invented the Streaker SW fly and pioneered saltwater flyfishing in SoCal.  I last saw Sierra Tackle catalogue in about 1974, I think.  If anybody has some information, I’d appreciate hearing. Thanks Sean Barry

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Wierd title?  So is my dilemma: I am a novice marathoner who fishes.  I’ve run one marathon this year (Napa Valley) and would like to improve my time for the Portland Marathon by using a heart rate monitor.  I also enjoy fishing.  I have some backpacking fly equipment but I would like to let my elitest-self shine with a real fly fishing outfit. My birthday is in a couple of days and I expect to get some money.  I have decided to give due regard to the advice from the good folks at rec.running and rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. Where to spend my money? Steve

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I am a novice marathoner who fishes.  I’ve run one marathon this year (Napa Valley) and would like to improve my time for the Portland Marathon by using a heart rate monitor.  I also enjoy fishing.  I have some backpacking fly equipment but I would like to let my elitest-self shine with a real fly fishing outfit. Where to spend my money?

Steve, run out and buy yourself a fly fishing outfit… David E. Malone All opinions expressed are my own.

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If you often overtrain, get the HRM.  If you need more protein, get the fishing equipment.  Otherwise, you’ll just have to decide for yourself. — Ray Charbonneau    | MIT Library Systems| Everyone is entitled to my opinion.  *Disclaimer? Why?*|

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Buy the fly fishing gear and go have fun.  You’ll be more relaxed for your training and will in turn run farther and faster.  Besides, I’ve not yet met a marathon runner who has trained with a heart rate monitor, so I’m sure you can train hard enough to improve your time without one.   Buy the heart rate monitor next year, and don’t go out too fast in Portland, as the crowds during the first part of the race might make you go faster than you should. Best fishes, Dan

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When in doubt, go with the fun stuff. Buy the fishing outfit. Chances are you’ll use it more and longer. Mike T. — WebRunner Running Page — Southeast USA Club & Race Listings 200+ listings. Advertise your race. Club Home Pages. http://www.catalog.com/webrun/running/running.html

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Neither–Get yourself a good set of Golf clubs! Everone has taken up flyfishing, and the courses are almost empty. For exercise, carry your own clubs and jog,that"ll keep that ticker pumpin.There are beautiful courses everywhere,except Idaho.The chemists have destroyed the good grass in that state, with all those potato experiments. This is a joke–Don’t want to piss off any Idaho golfers.

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I have both.  Believe me, I can cast a lot farther with a fly rod.

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Well, I’ve used the heart monitor before marathons, and it works well…I tended to use it by setting target heart ranges for faster paced running, when the monitor stopped beeping, I knew I’d warmed up enough to get into the target range, then when the monitor started beeping again, i knew i’d run enough (when it exceeds the upper end of the range it beeps) or that i was running too fast for the distance i wanted to go. However, if there was good fly fishing close by, i’d probably have bought the flyfishing equip. later Jim Danforth

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I am a novice marathoner who fishes.  I’ve run one marathon this year (Napa Valley) and would like to improve my time for the Portland Marathon by using a heart rate monitor.  I also enjoy fishing.  I have some backpacking fly equipment but I would like to let my elitest-self shine with a real fly fishing outfit. Where to spend my money? Steve, run out and buy yourself a fly fishing outfit… David E. Malone All opinions expressed are my own.

Steve, Its apparant your training is suffering from a lack of obsession. I refer you to Calvin and Hobbes from about two weeks ago.  T Training with a monitor lets you micro  analyze your pperformance with the goal being to satisy such standards as your training log and other people who wear monitors. Also there’s a coolness factor related to who might be impressed by the purchases.  Fish or friends?   I have trained with a monitor for a year.  Has it helped?  Got me. It is a diversion and something to do on those long runs. Steve Rogers When the going gets tough, blah, blah, blah

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[deleted] : My birthday is in a couple of days and I expect to get some money.  I : have decided to give due regard to the advice from the good folks at : rec.running and rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. Neither…buy a pair of Reabok Pumps and go fishing…then, if you fall in, your feet will float up and someone will be able to spot you. Tim Walker

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: Neither–Get yourself a good set of Golf clubs! Everone has taken up : flyfishing, and the courses are almost empty. For exercise, carry your : own clubs and jog,that"ll keep that ticker pumpin.There are beautiful : courses everywhere,except Idaho.The chemists have destroyed the good : grass in that state, with all those potato experiments. : This is a joke–Don’t want to piss off any Idaho golfers. Hey, hey, hey!!!  Whatchit buddy.  This state still has the fighting words law.  That means I can bust you in the chops for saying such things and all the cops will do is make fun of your glass jaw or my right hook! Rick — T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.  

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: Wierd title?  So is my dilemma: : I am a novice marathoner who fishes.  I’ve run one marathon this year : (Napa Valley) and would like to improve my time for the Portland : Marathon by using a heart rate monitor.  I also enjoy fishing.  I have some : backpacking fly equipment but I would like to let my elitest-self shine : with a real fly fishing outfit. : My birthday is in a couple of days and I expect to get some money.  I : have decided to give due regard to the advice from the good folks at : rec.running and rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. : Where to spend my money? : Steve My vote is for the flyfishing gear.  As a bonus I offer you my "cheap" heart rate monitor:   If you’re breathing, its beating.  If you’re not breathing, it’s probably stopped (or will shortly). (sippinElkMountainAmberAleandrootinfortheBarracudainLongBeachCalifornia wheretheearthmovesundermyfeet)

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Get both. Many new runners pack up when they find that it takes discipline and effort to get fit. There are many HRMs lying dormant in people homes unused. I’ve just bought one for 10 pounds second hand. Look in your local paper I’m sure you’ll find one. Simon — Simon Walsh    

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: [deleted] : : My birthday is in a couple of days and I expect to get some money.  I : : have decided to give due regard to the advice from the good folks at : : rec.running and rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. : Neither…buy a pair of Reabok Pumps and go fishing…then, if you : fall in, your feet will float up and someone will be able to spot you. And if the shoes don’t fit, Reebok Pumps make dandy strike indicators. Rick — T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.  

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   I was poking around the Hiwassee in Tennessee recently, and a friend took me to a tributary, Springwater Creek.  True to its name, this creek had crystal-clear water.    Anyway, there were PILES of trout-size fish holding in pools near the mouth of this creek.  My friend said they came upriver to spawn but couldn’t be caught.  He told me what they were, but I’ve forgotten the name…I think their name had the word "red" in it, like "red horse" or something like that.    Does anybody know what these are?  More importantly, is it true they can’t be enticed by a fly? (I saw plenty that were over 12".) —         Scott Wilkinson         Montgomery County, Maryland

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    I was poking around the Hiwassee in Tennessee recently, and a friend took me to a tributary, Springwater Creek.  True to its name, this creek had crystal-clear water.    Anyway, there were PILES of trout-size fish holding in pools near the mouth of this creek.  My friend said they came upriver to spawn but couldn’t be caught.  He told me what they were, but I’ve forgotten the name…I think their name had the word "red" in it, like "red horse" or something like that.    Does anybody know what these are?  More importantly, is it true they can’t be enticed by a fly? (I saw plenty that were over 12".) —    Scott Wilkinson    Montgomery County, Maryland

Yes, they are called redhorses.  There are actually several species of them, namely the black-, silver-, river-, golden-, and shorthead- redhorses, but you have to be an expert to tell them apart, as they look extremely similar.  They range up to about 20 inches, when they weigh about 3 or 4 pounds.  They dont fight very well in my opinion.  They eat matter off the bottom, rarely if ever eating something in the water column.  When they spawn, THEY SPAWN, concentrating in huge numbers.  You can take a flashlight at night and see them everywhere  at good spawning sites.  I have caught them using crawfish tails and earthworms, fished on the bottom, but I dont think I have ever caught one on a fly.  They seem to feed by taste more than by site, and a fly would have to be on the bottom for them to even consider taking it.  I am afraid fly fishing for them would be impractical. -Josh Crunk -Cookeville,  TN

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writes: <stuff about suckers  but I have never seen them take an artificial.  Liek most suckers they feed by smell, something flies lack. Crashjibe

I have caught several suckers on steelhead flies and nymphs.  This was before I found out about shrimp oil , so I am pretty sure they picked the flies up on sight.  Have also caught carp on unbaited jigs, so I would be careful about broad characterizations about what these fish do and don’t do. ATB

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Red horse is a midwestern name for a type of sucker found in streams and rivers of the Ohio/Mississippi river drainage.  They do look somewhat troutlike from above. When I was a graduate student we used to get lots of them electrofishing (a form of non fatal stunning), but I have never seen them take an artificial.  Liek most suckers they feed by smell, something flies lack. Crashjibe

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I am afraid fly fishing for them would be impractical.<

Ah, not so. In clear water, redhorse and other suckers will eagerly take a nymph rolled on the bottom. They are bottom feeders for the most part, but will also take dries if you happen upon them during a heavy hatch. Their topwater feeding is particularly interesting because, with their mouths on the underside, they have to roll inverted to suck in the flies. Good fighters, though, capable of stripping a light reel in short order. JL 8-Wt Editor

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I ‘ve taken red horse on a #10 Hares Ear esactly where you speak of.

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I believe these are also "red horse suckers" or a carp species.  You can catch them on a fly, especially if you are fishing for steelhead right along the bottom with nymphs.  I have had this accidental experience. The take is subtle, and there is an initial sharp tug, as you would expect from any fish of this size.  But you soon find that you are doing the euqivalent of dragging in an old boot. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Yes, they are called redhorses.  There are actually several species of them, namely the black-, silver-, river-, golden-, and shorthead- redhorses, but you have to be an expert to tell them apart, as they look extremely similar.  They range up to about 20 inches, when they weigh about 3 or 4 pounds.  They dont fight very well in my opinion.  They eat matter off the bottom, rarely if ever eating something in the water column.

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